Counter monarch ra?

[GanjaGod]

what the hell can counter that ****er lane lol xD

srsly my mates and me cant think of a more imba lane than that. u cant even get near the creeps aka exp leech.

[GODROD]

Swiftblade + something.

Pickup very early vestments. Anything that can disjoint that monarch crap is good or as i said sb is nice, when youre released from pod spin that <50% ra to death. Dm, mk, ramp etc works also.

[GanjaGod]

my experience is that doesnt work, to spin u need to get near them aka monarch stuns u and ra stuns u and ur dead. u dont get the chance to ever get a mystic vestment.

[GODROD]

Yes you do.... 400g is nothing... Second of all the monarch thing can be disjointed, start spinning whilst its in-air before it hits you. Also tried laning with slither? Slither especially early game is a pain for ra. If you fear a ra lane then dont go a buckler hatchet runes build if you cant play it safe enough

[GanjaGod]

srry mate u forget that sb is squishy early and need a support to actually kill someone they just pick off his support before he even gets near them, ur argument is invalid.

[AcidRose]

countered by acursed / jere to nem a few easy ones. There is nothing imba about such a lane. There is a lot of combos you can do like that (aoe stun hero / targeted stun hero)

Even if you dont happen to get anything directly useful against that lane your lane partner can jsut stun/cc/block ra as soon as monarch uses crippling pollean on you.

[GanjaGod]

justtalked to a bunch of 1900s in drd they say it cant be countered by anything else than multiple ganks very early. im gonna go with their strats since i tried the 2 posted here and they didnt work.

[GODROD]

srry mate u forget that sb is squishy early and need a support to actually kill someone they just pick off his support before he even gets near them, ur argument is invalid.

Its not that my argument is invalid its that you're bad...

For ra to kill anything there he has to use his hp which makes him food for any bursty dps or swift. Ye accursed/jera also good. How is monarch even getting close to your support. And so what if your support dies?! If they focus your support you should be at high hp ready to rape ra. How is this hard to understand?!

[GanjaGod]

srry too many high rated agree with me to make me change my mindset. one stun from monarch and ra and ur dead ra doesnt even need to go in, he can just cast a stun and go back.

[GODROD]

Facepalm

[Tony`]

:drun: and :slit:


If Monarch puts the butterfly on you, disjoint it. If she does it on Slither just push ra away. Slither should be able to harass Ra enough so he wont try it again.

[GODROD]

Practice mode lvl 5 monarch + ra vs lvl 5 swift. Lvl 3 q lvl 2 w on mona lvl 3 q lvl 2 w on ra ( build youd never go) swift has 701 hp without items. About 190 hp left after taking full dmg from both... And q stun only 2.5 sec on monarch there... With 400g on vestments that is 290 hp... This is taking full durations from q and w on both heroes and never spinning or moving.

Yes this is not counting autoattacks but in a real scenario youd have a lanepartner and use spin/brain aswell.

You just got served

[GanjaGod]

srry tony was the only whos correct. god go out of trainning forum u cant give good advices xD.

[Phase6Macha]

Any doublestun or stun+burst lane can easily kill paper Monarch.
She dies so easily, you can mostly prevent her from using her cocoon - and even if she does you still get a lot of time to walk away.

Ra solo is no real danger unless you are incapable of walking away from his stun.

[Yukari]

There are two approaches you can take

1. Be more aggressive than they are and kill Monarch. This can be achieved with the traditional pyro mag lane or any other kill lane

2. Lane with accursed, simple as that. Shield removes Monarch's immobolize/silence and protects you from a lot of the damage. Dsham also works

[GanjaGod]

Yeah accursed works, and drunken + slither works, those 2 are wonders so far.

i guess if u dont have accursed dm or slith as a pick, dsham could work too, would prefer accursed over all tho :D ahh well, question answered.

[GODROD]

And swift works, but go try. Its a lame only in ap anyways reallly

[Z00lander]

:jera::jera::jera::jera::jera:
Charm removes Monarch disable, counters everything they can throw at you.
Accursed is OK
Dsham and Slither are too frail, they are the prey

[Ainion]

Whatever happened to not feeding trolls?

[Lucian01]

2 S2 heroes can really only be countered with 2 EA S2 heroes. So get your credit card out.

[Watercat]

:soulr: :accu:
Or jera charm works

[Achillion]

Dsham+a hero with stun. Won a lane with dsham+magmus yesterday. The clue is being agressive from lvl 3. Having magmus charging in leaves Ra to close to use his meteor even if monarch lands his disable on him. On dsham you gotta max unbreakable as its great both offensivly and defensivly (+ damage. It's ****ing great).

When ra went on us, he pulled aggro from our creeps, magmus got cape, stunned in, I healed and ra was dead.

Jerraziah counters this lane aswell. And rhaps to some extent(ministuns+her heal is great for when your laneing mate is disabled).

[Lennic]

Valk 1v2 easily

[RyansKi]

jera/swift and saying too many high mmr people agree. I doubt it bro, there is nothing strong about the lane, it is how you play your lane and how you play your heroes.

[Dominare]

Glacius/predator destroys that lane, to give you another (of many) examples.

[Aconit]

srry too many high rated agree with me to make me change my mindset.


So you already have an opinion that can't be changed and you open a post to ask some advice?


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[Mercy]

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[Upholder]

the problem isnt "ra and monarch"; the problem here is "monarch"
use bubbles, put take cover on auto, this should work

[Roefl]

Moraxus.

[patricken]

monarch + zephyr is much better then ra

[SCOUTMIDKTHX]

valk mag. Both have disjoint, valk focus a bit on big arrows on either of the enemies.

oh and also , would never take advice from someone called "ganjagod" who uses "xD" after every sentence.

[wYnDoN]

I played a game, where our monarch/ra lane was crushed by flint/arachna. I'll leave this here.

[AcidRose]

All the drama .... there is nothing particularly strong about ra+mona .... stronger lanes are : elec + nymph , pyro + voodo jester, even a freaking glac+sb can kill u better.

The only reason u feel like its seperior lane is prolly coz of ras regen and you not being able to harras him even a bit..... guess what he can still be killed by burst you just have to try and not hug your tower 24/7

[Z00lander]

Moraxus.
^This. Sounds legit indeed :)

[xSteve]

Well Jera + Emerald warden is a good counter, jera counter alot of suck op lanes with 1st and 2nd skill - if the go to lockdown jera (which is difficukt) Then right after monach stuns, ew will silence ra so they can make the combo,..

EZ

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[Tamuril]

Its not that my argument is invalid its that you're bad...


Heard of irony?

OT: When people want to counter monarch+ra, they think defensive, they think "survive the combo". What happens when you instead go on monarch? That RA stun is alot harder to aim when you're the one going close to him, and not the other way around.

[Anakha]

http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=70791052

70791052

this geomancer seemed to do it ok.

[Dany_Fantasy]

"bla bla kill monarch..."

thats nuts imo. as soon as monarch and ra got an idea of position play this tactic wont work unless u got magic immunity coz otherwise u get a) creep aggro and b) ull be in range of monarchs stun-->massive dmg even without ra!

the only reliable tactic if u dont know that u are facing monarch+ra*->gank the **** out of them!

EDIT:*within the picking phase and therefore wont be able to counter them

[elelish]

2 S2 heroes can really only be countered with 2 EA S2 heroes. So get your credit card out.

so u want to lane with gemini/salforis against ra/monarch? Good idea :O

[Coolcollo]

:swif: :mona:

Yup. I counter monarch with monarch.

But really any quick kill lane you can focus down monarch.

:drun: is a good option since he can disjoint easily.

[Green]

:magm::bubb:

could really easily counter it. If monarch tosses pollen on mag, mag can stun through it and hit her or ra. He can also possibly stun ra after ra used his Q so that ra doesnt get the health back.

If pollen to bubbs, just hit take cover.

:mora: can substitute for mag and use his arcane shield to eat the pollen every time.

[Cranium]

Countered by Dota2

[MiniDon]

anything with jera, or acc

[HollowMask]

Try Panda + Pebbles.

Avalanche + Flick + Toss = Triple Pebbles Combo, instead of just Double.

[elelish]

yes, because double melee lanes works soooooooo good against somehow competent enemies...soooooooooooooo good...

[Roefl]

Vindicator.

[J3rk]

:slit:

[aqana]

Jerah counter it hard.
Vindi if good at positioning does too
SB, not a reliable pick, but he got a chance.
Accursed will dominate it
DS will be forced to skill unbreakable, but then he counters it.
Glacius can imprison hes ally for the few seconds to reduce the damage
Else, get good amount of HP and a westment and harras the **** out of Monarch, she is the weak link in that combo.
It is a very powerfull combo, and if at 1900+ it's not as simple cause the players makes less mistakes, but you are able to survive them with the correct items and picks.

[aqana]

else go Jerah + devo vs them, cause when ra ini and losses hes HP, devo with root+repel will beat the **** out of ra in no time.

[stX3]

Whatever happened to not feeding trolls?

+1 clearly troll or REALLY bad, and in that case not even advice from DrD would help....

[Haruhi_sos]

Shadowblade.

[Blijebobo]

allot of lanes can counter them.
it all depends on skill and also allot of luck on who gets the first one down.
won the lane with scout midas with andro chronos with tundra hellbringer.
it all depends on positioning and skill tbh

[fadielsmaily]

Its not that my argument is invalid its that you're bad...

For ra to kill anything there he has to use his hp which makes him food for any bursty dps or swift. Ye accursed/jera also good. How is monarch even getting close to your support. And so what if your support dies?! If they focus your support you should be at high hp ready to rape ra. How is this hard to understand?!

you forgot the part where monarch uses chrysalis on ra and completely negates your spin monarchs chrysalis is the perfect counter to swiftblades spin try it out