Scout is not for noobs

[Nalbis]

Hey guys,
Some people have told me recently that scout is for noobs. I think this is wrong, scout takes alot of skill to play.
but to the point:
Some people claim that scouts move is an opener. I think this is complete rubbish as it is clearly designed to take kills to level you up and kill more of them.
I ask you this today to see your opinion on this matter.

Sorry about this, this was posted by a mate after me leaving my computer unlocked.

Fixed some typos he left.

[Anari]

We know it is not, Scout has been nerfed, Slightly.
But I personally find him annoying... For every time I run the hell away at less than half I see a small symbol above my head...
I wish to kill the scout.

[Perryhoden1]

you need no skill to play scout! you just need brutalizer and then hunt low health heros!

but for teamfights he is useless instat of his wards. but most scout players don't skill the wards or are to stupid to use them right!

So the only skill you need for scout is to know where to plant the wards and to use your wards to silence your enemys in teamfights! Extremly dificult and just masterable by the old mega pro DotA players! Everyone else will fail! ;)

[morningrise]

i think scout is both... in lower-rated games newbies may pick him and play they "no-eyes"-skilltree just for kills... you dont need much of experience to attack an enemy out of stealth and finish off with the snipe... i know, scout is not meant to be played like this, but for beginners i would consider this the recommended way... with growing experience (and some advice from skilled players) they will learn how to use the eyes and find they are a powerful multi-usage-skill (gank, teamfight, help mates to escape)

in higher-rated games scout IMO is also a decent pick if played right... set eyes at the runespots before the first creepwave and then use them as silencer in ganks and teamfights... later one or two eyes should be used to scout important areas like enemy jungle, etc. ... the snipe is also useful to start a gank as it deals some dmg and slows...

[Seere]

I haven't met a team friendly good scout yet.

They either wait and dont join team fights, waiting for that last hit to KS.

Or they run off by themselves get 1 kill and get ganked by 4 others. But they are thrilled because thats another kill in the column.

I've met MABYE 2 or 3 players that place wards at the runes.

It doesn't take skill to play, you melee things until they die.

GG

[Zakariel]

Scout takes skill to play when you play him as a team player. Placing wards effectively, taking out the casters at the back then just whacking on guys like magebane and madman, he can be extremely effective. With lifesteal and a warpcleft, he does have some survivability, if you don't make yourself obvious.

I have nothing but contempt for those Scouts who wait to ks, it's pointless and a complete waste of a lot of potential. Waiting a few secs for the team fight to begin, fine. Waiting till everyone's on red, no.

[Droggeltasse]

The big deal in scouts ulti is the slow and that it needs vision on the target. Lets look at it in 90% of the cases. If you gank someone with a teamate:
-open with ult-->do some damage and slow the enemy to make it harder for him to get away, but the risk that the slow goes of before he starts running
-use ult during gank -->slow will last longer when he tries to escape but you miss dmg you could done with your autoatack and cant use your fast movement to chase
-use it to finish --->requires good placed wards or someone to chase the enemy cause every good player will reach the fog very fast if the enemy is chased(you have vision) and his hp is low you could have killed him with a opener ult or the teamate can finish him of without you

opener>>finisher

[xpK]

Scout needs skill to play. If you think he's all about autoattacking out of his invis then you're totally wrong. He's got a great defensive ability (electric eye - place it near your team if you feel blinkers/initiators are coming in [ie. Tempest]) and picking off 1 hero before a big fight starts is good too.

[Darkstrand]

In my last game, this guy first picks Scout in an RD - Goes 1-6-1 laning with his friend.. Tries to concede 12 times before 20 minutes, and then ragequits.

Take this experience as a grain of salt.

[antibody]

sorry scout was never really to be played as a team player. for all those crying about him not using his wards to silence or what not. all he's meant to do is run get a kill and run out. thats about it. what is true though is scout does need a good team to be used right.

in team fights just draw attention away and scout can run in and pick ppl off in background. personally i hate scout bounty hunter was way better.

i whish ppl jsut accept scout for what he is. a ganker. and when ever he's standing next to an opponet invis dont expect his help.

[Nalbis]

I normally use 4 wards for placing around their jungle and around lanes (to help with the ult) and leave one for a silence always. Has anyone made a premium guide on the scout. I know there was one for the old build scout.

[xCTBxMav]

I have found one!! I played with a scout that was actually a team player. Good guy, I'm now friends with him and hes a great player.

[Stormnight]

I like to play scout. Yesterday i go 10-5-15 with him, 1600+ AP nonem game.

I like his aoe silence, his fast move-/attackspeed and his ult-opener. He can be a decent teamplayer but mostley he is played as a killstealing whore. Thats the reason why no one likes a Scout.

[Frump]

I still haven't seen a very good Scout player, unfortunately. Lord knows I suck as him too, but it's interesting to see the stereotypical nub hero actually be one of the hardest in the game to play correctly.

[SPBT]

Hw 2 start a game ??

[Thesoldier]

I have been told by people that I am a good scout he so I can offer a bit of an advice for all who are struggling with him.

The main issue with people playing scout is that when a team fight begins they stay in stealth and remain until the fight finishes and then start chasing the opponents. What you actually have to do is be in stealth, place a ward, and as soon as the battle is initiated go to the enemy's most fragile hero, pop out of stealth and take him down, if you see that they start focusing on you run away/use ward to silence

Also ulti should often be used as an initiation tool for slowing down the opponent.

Finally - Move/ Scout should be on the move all the time, searching the jungle for soloing heroes and taking them down, checking runes, and placing wards.

Hope I helped.

[Trig]

The Scout causes my arguments than Jesus... a lot of people (including me sometimes) pick the Scout because its so hard to do bad on it... its great for KS, ganking and loling after you 2 shot a defiler... sure the Scout is the noobs choice HOWEVER when played properly and not like a child, the Scout can be a very viable asset to have on the team. He can carry very well, when used properly his eyes are amazing and so is this silence.. if you use his ult for the slow rather than the kill its also very good.

I dont really like showing my true opinion on the scout because its given a bad name because so many noobs play it due to it being very easy.

[Fair]

I don't know how it is in higher leveled games, but it's bull that scout is supposed to stand still and wait to pick people off.

I had a scout who turned the game in our favour by actually initiating with ulti, running in getting all the focus, vanish then the rest of us could run in and aoe stun.

No hero in HoN is meant to play solo - that defies the very concept of the game.

[maos]

scout takes alot of skill to play

Hi friend. How are things in oppositeland?

[D0ri]

Usually play sd games.. if i get him in my selection and someone asks me to swap him, I usually refuse.. same with NH... couple of days ago, i saw the first nighthound, that was actually an asset to the team..

[Sauron`]

Scout is not a "noob" hero but noobs like he because he can go invis.
and unless the situation is right, scout should NEVER use his ult as a finisher. You want to open up on their disabler to take him out of battle.

Regardless i've seen 1 or 2 scouts that have actually been decent

[HONYoda]

Nope, sorry...Scout is for noobs.

[Sauron`]

Regardless, any team with half the sense to buy wards/dust completely shuts down scout.

Seriously a scout wont even go NEAR you if you have dust or wards. Scare tactic that works imo

[diablothun]

Scout is a nub hero IMO , but just because nubs play him a lot more than pros . the only skill it takes is placing wards , i learned this sh1t in 3 days or less ... Placing it well , isnantly pressing E then team goes fight and owns all with the 3 sex silence ...

[HONYoda]

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Person above says that Scout is not for noobs.

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[Sozmatron]

You sound like a huge tard Mnoma, having ~68% win rate and only have 1700 PSR means you are probably noobstomping or losing against noobs.

On topic though. Scout is for ALL players, pros and noobs included. A good scout will farm up like hell and decimate enemies within seconds, you COULD tell me that he should never farm up because the enemy should always be ganking him, but with wards, invis and extremely high running speed a good scout is rarely ganked, and if the enemies actually dedicate their resources to ganking scout it allows the rest of Scout's team to farm.

For noobs it's great because he has invis, high running speed and long range high damage ulti, perfect skillset for stealing kills and survivng.

Main problem is when people get Scout in pro games and play him like a noob, this is primarily due to the people who play Scout being noobs and having noob builds which is seen by other players who then copy the build because it was a noob game where the enemies were destroyed by Scout. Runed Axe is noob item number 1, Hack and Slash is noob item number 2. Runed Axe is the core item for Noobscout as it allows him to stay alive indefinitely, that's like getting a heart for the sole reason of keeping Insanitarius on indefinitely, it's retarded, learn to toggle! Hack and Slash makes Scout run wtffast as opposed to omgfast, it also gives him a pissweak slow and some hp and dmg, you have an ulti that slows AND does damage with low cooldown, if you didn't build a hack and slash the enemy wouldn't even be running away in the first place, they'd be dead under your flurry of blows and retardedly strong ulti.

Scout is the reason I don't play AP, it also frustrates me when people pick Scout in SD when there are much better picks available and he doesn't work with the team strategy. That being said Scout CAN be played well and is still a above par hero.

[schila]

Scout is way way way way way better than gondar, not to mention alot more fun to play imo. Usually when i am pissed at someting in hon, like an inhouse which went shitty or something in the lines i take a scout pubbie game, i go 1x-2-1x and then i feel good about myself again. In pubs he is absolutely devastating if played correctly. However i have seen like 1 other decent scout, 1 mediocre and 90 who were shabby as hell. If you want scout to be decent you need a mediocre amount of mapcontrol, decent last hitting abilities, good map awareness and good reflexes. His real problems are that he is easy to gank, and he is semi worthless in a lane early on where his only focus should be farming.

Real problem is that if he first falls behind it is impossible to keep up, since he will be utterly useless to the team, because he cant stun and his silence is kinda weak. Another thing is that in pubs they are generally too dumb to realise you have warded the rune spot closest to you and you will therefore be able to see when they are coming for you.

Therefore he remains a pubbie hero

[Distort3d]

When i play scout, I wait until the fight starts, then i run into the fray, plant a eye, and autoattack their disabler/nuker, then at about the 2nd/3rd attack in, i explode the eye, giving myself a chance to vanish into stealth again before getting destroyed, and giving my teammates a chance to rush in and devastate. And the snipe is situationally used for either opener or followup depending on the situation.

[Tiani]

How does it take skill to wait in stealth until enemy hero is at 5%HP ?

[Crinkz]

How does it take skill to wait in stealth until enemy hero is at 5%HP ?

How does it take skill to press a skill hotkey and click.
How does it take skill to right click on enemy hero.

[QQme1]

When you see a hero being chosen in 80% games (mainly pubs) then you know it's easy to play and noobs love it . Just like gondar , scout is for noobs except that now they have a very OP gondar .

[Thesoldier]

How does it take skill to wait in stealth until enemy hero is at 5%HP ?

Exactly this is what noobs mistake is, they think this is how you play scout

[Gallifrey]

Some people claim that scouts move is an opener. I think this is complete rubbish as it is clearly designed to take kills to level you up and kill more of them.

right, he cant open a fight. he cant even stay in the ae damage of an 5v5 fight. all he can do is finishing and following low hp heroes - that means , in teamfights its 5v4 and nonetheless, if there are no wards scout will maybe get 1-2 kills, his team gets nothing, will die and everyone will hate him. and they will hate him for a reason, because he didnt really do anything usefull to the fight.

sure, scout isnt weak. scout is strong. scout can early kill and get imba, but to be honest, chronos , wildsoul, magebane , nighthound .. they all get unkillable too but they are usefull for the team (widsoul can kill and cc one hero in a fight, beside of tanking because of nice hp, chronos can ae stun all opponents, magebane can leech mana and ae damage the whole team and nighthound has a silence slow smoke, so to be honest, the "uuh i silence you" ward is really useless beside of them)

[eAnGeL]

I usually play SD/RD, and the way I play scout is sord-of like I used to play (if recieved) SA in DotA. Initiating as scout is stupid, you will just get focused. In team fights, I will usually be on the side untill an initiator goes in, then run in and cover him with an eye silence (Unless the enemies have a tempest,in which case I would wait for him to ulti, unless he has no blink, in which case I will just bash on him while he ulti's). Scout's job (imo) is to go after the squishies in the gank, while your team distracts their heavy dps. Once squishies are down, you can move on to tanks/heavier hp carries (which will probably be dead by the rest of your team anyway).

[iEatWaffles]

In my last game, this guy first picks Scout in an RD - Goes 1-6-1 laning with his friend.. Tries to concede 12 times before 20 minutes, and then ragequits.

Take this experience as a grain of salt.


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