Best hero to win without your team to matter in the 1600-1700s ?

[YourDog]

I am ****ing tired of picking for example Soulstealer :souls: and then going 4-0 mid and ganking and for some weird reason our supports do not buy wards or fail late game. The same happens if we have 1-2 carries and they can not farm and go in all teamfights before 20 mins. So which hero can carry without his team ?

[BR_number1]

If you are better than the bracket you are in....all of them. If you are where you belong none of them

[lemonface]

kotf.

-you don't depend on some retard during laning phase,
-you can pick up easy farm, start getting these items in this order:

:RingOfTheTeacher: :chal: :PlatedGreaves:/:PostHaste: :SolsBulwark: :Puzzlebox: :DaemonicBreastplate :ElderParasite:

now you just run around eating towers, opportunistically joining team fights, bot mostly navigating around the enemy team pushing their towers/rax whenever they are somewhere else.

this relies on the fact that 1600-1700 players are garbageas**** and only buy tp's when they are carry, to port to the tower, at wich their 3 other carry teammates are already blasting the farm away with autoattacks and nukes.

> chances are your retarded teammates will run head first into the 4v5 teamclash while you are busy pushing, and then furiously ping you because it is clearly your fault that they are retarded enough to charge 4v5 into a fight instead of waiting for you to port back and make proper use of your insanely-teamclash-strong ulti. but theres always a chance of unforeseeable retardation in 1600-1700 bracket, no way around that.


If you are better than the bracket you are in....all of them. If you are where you belong none of them you clearly have no ****ing clue wtf you are talking about

[Z00lander]

Yea you pretty much have to be better than everyone else. If there was an outstandingly good hero, like OP is asking for, it would have been nerfed and balanced already. You will be at the level of play you belong at.

***NVM lemonface made me eat my words. KOTF does win everytime.

[YourDog]

Thanks lemonface, lemonface 4 president imo. And now i can get back to the 1720s-1730s where i belong. Thx mate x2.

[Z00lander]

This is disputable but I think Monarch can counter KOTF. Her ult easily counters Root.

[its2ez]

It's because 1700s are not that much better than 1600s.

So you can't carry them alone.
Some will suggest going forrest, but then you leave a 1600 to solo lane against 2 1600s and you will lose more games than you win because of that.

The best way have always been going mid. No matter what hero you have the mid lane determines what will happen early to mid game.

So if you are leaps and bounds better than the other mid and own him and gank the lanes your allies will outlevel the enemy heroes.

Seeing as hard carries are so popular in 1600 (mostly because if the game is won by the team they get good scores), destroying the other team hard carries will leave them with 2-3 valuable players.

tl;dr go mid, destroy the other guy, gank the other team hard carries (because in 1600 there always hard carries) and you get 2-3 useless heroes on the other team while your hard carries are farmed.

[Z00lander]

It's because 1700s are not that much better than 1600s.

So you can't carry them alone.
Some will suggest going forrest, but then you leave a 1600 to solo lane against 2 1600s and you will lose more games than you win because of that.

The best way have always been going mid. No matter what hero you have the mid lane determines what will happen early to mid game.

So if you are leaps and bounds better than the other mid and own him and gank the lanes your allies will outlevel the enemy heroes.

Seeing as hard carries are so popular in 1600 because if the game is won by the team they get good scores they will outcarry the other team hard carries.

tl;dr go mid, destroy the other guy, gank the other team hard carries (because in 1600 there always hard carries) and you get 1-2 useless heroes on the other team while your hard carries are farmed.


I am ****ing tired of picking for example Soulstealer :souls: and then going 4-0 mid and ganking and for some weird reason our supports do not buy wards or fail late game. The same happens if we have 1-2 carries and they can not farm and go in all teamfights before 20 mins. So which hero can carry without his team ?

Lulz

[its2ez]

What can i say?

Going mid is the best way to change the game.
And going 4-0 with ss mid is better than jungling and leaving someone 1v2.

[YourDog]

Well but for some reason my carries ALWAYS feed theirs. For example, their NH was something like 0-3, but then after our "pro" Maliken came in the teamfights before 20 minutes, NH ksed everything and he got like 10-3. Then he got nullfire and shrunken and was jumping at me (Soulstealer) the whole game. Its either the carries do not know how to play them or the supports do not buy wards. And when i tell them : "Hey guys please buy some wards and ward the runes and the jungle" they say : "Stfu". I am just.. i cant have fun in this game lol..

[its2ez]

Mid can be annoying sometimes because 90% of the times if the game is lost noobs blame mid.
If you gank top, then bot screams for a gank and vice versa.

It's a bit more dissapointing when you lose, because you are more into the game than if you were afk farming jungle for the first 10 mins.
But then again, you will end up winning more games and leave the 1600 hell sooner.

1700 is not that much better btw ;)

[Kelth]

If you're good enough to stomp 1700's players, any semi-carry who can go middle will do just fine. However, if you're not good enough.. You won't be able to outfarm and outplay your opponents. If you need help with getting out of the 1700's, and you feel you need some help doing it solo queue, I've heard there are some people in the training grounds willing to help out.

[DangerChap]

Jesus. This thread again?

Realise you're not good enough to pubstomp your way out of the 1600 bracket; if you were, you would have done so already. And focus on how YOU can improve YOUR game.

Stop this whining bullshit about everyone feeding and not buying wards and what not, you're only embarrassing yourself.

[SNSD`Yuri]

:glad:

Strong midder if you know how to play em and if you can keep your farm up/set up some nice ganks/teamfights ull be well on your way to the infamous

:Doombringer: :Doombringer: with :AssassinShroud: 1 shot whole team with flagelation. Best suggestion I can give because since you seek to rely as little on your team as you can you need a mid hero and a hero that can work on his own/kill fast because if a 1vs 5 lasts longer than 30 seconds your bound to die and lose those precious doomies.

[Korny4u]

.5 wards per game

[Udaba]

You can choose .
Play full support , or play like a real carry and finelly play full tank :P

[lemonface]

since i have been doing the keeper only thing, i have won 6 of 6 games.
havent had a horribad team yet.

going mid imho is overrated to stomp brackets below your level because:
- you will get ganked 24/7
- everything will be your fault
- you will get griefed by your team, bc everything is your fault
- you will have to buy flying and wards yourself

srsly my keeper thing is much better

[Zerazar]

Jesus. This thread again?

Realise you're not good enough to pubstomp your way out of the 1600 bracket; if you were, you would have done so already. And focus on how YOU can improve YOUR game.

Stop this whining bullshit about everyone feeding and not buying wards and what not, you're only embarrassing yourself.
^dis

That said, I'd recommend carries that can be built with survivability items with success. Zephyr, Electrician, Torturer, Amun Ra etc.
Even if you get stunned without counterinitiation you wont die immediately and in many cases you will still deal damage while stunned.
Just stop whining about your team mates being bad. The other team has just as bad people playing. The universe is in fact not out to get you. There is no retribution from an omnipotent god because you like naked females. You just aren't as good as you might think you are, or you haven't played enough games yet.

[Boatmurdered]

I've been doing pretty well with Witch Slayer lately. He's a killer support, or you can get an easy 15 minute concede just dominating with him early, and if you're like me, and most games include a Ra he's like a built in counter for him. Usually when their Ra is like 0-5 at 18 minutes. They'll just cc it.

[lemonface]

I've been doing pretty well with Witch Slayer lately. He's a killer support, or you can get an easy 15 minute concede just dominating with him early, and if you're like me, and most games include a Ra he's like a built in counter for him. Usually when their Ra is like 0-5 at 18 minutes. They'll just cc it.

i had some reasonable sucess with ws too, mostly in the mid 1700's.

however if you are trying to get out of the 1600 shithole, ws or any support will not work. why not? because 1600's always go full retard. they will always chase and will always trade their life for a kill, no matter how much higher in level and gear they are than the guy they kill.

in other words, any early game advantage you grant a 1600 team by your godtier ws/myrm/vj play is nullified by them thinking "yeah im the man i am totally kicking ass i can probably 1v3 these guys", or "yeah im the man i just gotta sit back and jungle 10k of items now instead of sealing the deal and going with my team".

nomsayin? 1600's always decompensate any advantage by overplaying accordingly. that is why all games take 70 minutes rofl

[dreta]

meh, if there was 1 thing i'd want to say about this is you should just get an int nuker or a semi-carry, if you're good you'll gank easily and get levels on ppl, carries require too much farm, ss requires too much support for the 1600-1700 bracket srsly

easiest to pick a hero with an escape mechanism like a hag or a valk and use your team as a meat shield only, hag's proly the best cuz with levels you can rape anybody and you're p much immortal cuz ppl won't chain cc properly and you don't need setups for stuff like arrow

[Xanuben]

Play support with good nukes and no dependency to big items. :plag: :pyro: :witc:
That way you can
a) buy wards
b) push tower when needed
c) killsteal (important!) when your team fails

A will give you and your team more survivability, thus bigger chances to win.
B will net in some extra cash as well as map control.
The most important, C, will give you ability to
1) pick off enemy support, this means less wards for their team, lower the morale of supports to start blaming their mid for "fail ganks"
2) kill enemy carry. This is totally allowed if your team is carbage, don't mind them, nubs.

Yah, I'm still below 1700. Don't really want to go higher, I heard they had no cheese up there...

[Axl]

If you can't carry yourself out for 1600-1700 with Soulstealer, sounds like you need to practice with Soulstealer. I can literally win 5v1 in that bracket with that hero.

If you truly want to get out of that bracket, pick a hero/hero role and practice it til you master it instead of looking for an easy way out.

[Razan]

Just another Dunning-Kruger post - read more about it here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect).


The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled people make poor decisions and reach erroneous conclusions, but their incompetence denies them the metacognitive ability to recognize their mistakes.[1] The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their ability as above average, much higher than it actually is, while the highly skilled underrate their own abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority.

"Everyone sucks, if not for every other player in every game I play I'd be in a bracket where I belong."

There's one consistency in all of those games - in each game, you're upset about you were a player in. I'd venture to guess that not a single one of those games had the same other players. YOU are the constant.

[Papilla]

I would say dampeer, go mid with hatchet and shield and rush mana ring, then frostburn, shrunken and gg.

Dampeer is usually **** until lvl6, so you will loose mid from start, but once you get mana ring, you have many free heals/nukes. Even when you fail mid, you can easily recove thanks to damps retarded ez jungling and creepwave nuking.

[XtaZ`y]

Oh, it's THIS thread again...

Anyways, if you're blaming your team for failing, you're in the bracket where you belong, end of story. I just carried my team with a jungling from level 1 soulstealer because I had a glad craving for mid, who ended up 2/9/5. So what ?
Any hero will be able to carry your team to victory if you can play it. You play better than them right ? YOU win your lane ? So go help the others ! Be DOMINANT. Not the guy that does ok early but can't do **** later on.

Pick a random replay of yours, and watch you play. Watch you miss 50% of the easy CK's, and 90% of the hard ones. Realise you have ZERO map awareness. Realise how much time you spend running in circles like a headless chicken. Basically, realise how bad YOU are. Once you did this, fix the problems. A 1700 is a 1600 who started to fix simple things like watching his minimap and last-hitting. Quit blaming your team, improve your game, MMR/PSR will follow until another "wall" comes through. Rinse and repeat.

Remember that if someone on your team plays like sh*t, someone on the other team balances it.
If you can't admit the fact that you could play better, you can't improve. Gl with this game, hope I helped.

[Kripke]

Choose a hero, learn the ins and outs, and practice practice practice!

[Mr_Rogers]

Kepper is too stronk just play him always win big.

[Hikary`]

monarch can kill eveeryone

[lucife3]

how does ws counter ra?

[I__Mad]

how does ws counter ra?
I'm gonna assume whoever said he does is talking about the manasteal ability.

[Steffen]

i had some reasonable sucess with ws too, mostly in the mid 1700's.

however if you are trying to get out of the 1600 shithole, ws or any support will not work. why not? because 1600's always go full retard. they will always chase and will always trade their life for a kill, no matter how much higher in level and gear they are than the guy they kill.

in other words, any early game advantage you grant a 1600 team by your godtier ws/myrm/vj play is nullified by them thinking "yeah im the man i am totally kicking ass i can probably 1v3 these guys", or "yeah im the man i just gotta sit back and jungle 10k of items now instead of sealing the deal and going with my team".

nomsayin? 1600's always decompensate any advantage by overplaying accordingly. that is why all games take 70 minutes rofl

and can help them chase these dudes
when they show up in advantage you can still easy turn a 2on2 2on3 teamclash or provide the needed disable and stun to get away.
You can kill heroes solo and rack nice items, tablet and sheepstick and you can solo most heroes even late game.

[wietepiet]

I win most games atm because I get my team to win. Of course I lose a few games and I have my ups and downs but if you really want to win you have to be prepared to be on your own. Don't expect others to help or ward, farm, kill and don't rambo like an AFIJEEFKWAJIDKWHATIMDOING. If you can get a good early mid game then your team will follow up and you win the game.

[TheHammer3]

Kotf is not the answer to gaining MMR. It is the answer if you want one of your pub team mates feeding a 1v2 lane and another team mate feeding mid. Pick a mid hero that can push mid tower and kill the enemy mid in the lane. Tower gold will get your team mates out of the trash faster than anything else.Then just keep the ball rolling by pushing additional towers and ganking. Heroes that are good at this: :tort::souls::elec: etc. You could pick a hero that can get kills mid then gank (like :pebb: or chipper), but this always seemed harder than a hero that can push to me (probably because with map awareness and wards your effectiveness is severely reduced). The heroes I cited can also win late game as well.

[JoOKie]

lol every bracket has bad players. Bad players is not an excuse for being "below your skill bracket".

The fact is, you WILL be at your skill-level if you play enough. I love the idiots that have over 500+ games and still QQ about their MMRs

[ElectricAxe]

Interesting new perspective:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJFMuIfeGZo&feature=related

Same in every bracket ^_^

[AntiGravity]

Jesus. This thread again?

Realise you're not good enough to pubstomp your way out of the 1600 bracket; if you were, you would have done so already. And focus on how YOU can improve YOUR game.

Stop this whining bullshit about everyone feeding and not buying wards and what not, you're only embarrassing yourself.

QFT. Improve your game and you will naturally rise in the brackets.

[MadAtYou]

always blame yourself for loss
even if you did great you couldve done better
ive gone 24-5 500 gpm and lost
why?
sure my team sucked, but i died 5 times
i shouldnt have died that much
and you shouldnt die 10 times in a game and blame wards
step your game up son

[Mr_Rogers]

Kotf is not the answer to gaining MMR. It is the answer if you want one of your pub team mates feeding a 1v2 lane and another team mate feeding mid. Pick a mid hero that can push mid tower and kill the enemy mid in the lane. Tower gold will get your team mates out of the trash faster than anything else.Then just keep the ball rolling by pushing additional towers and ganking. Heroes that are good at this: :tort::souls::elec: etc. You could pick a hero that can get kills mid then gank (like :pebb: or chipper), but this always seemed harder than a hero that can push to me (probably because with map awareness and wards your effectiveness is severely reduced). The heroes I cited can also win late game as well.

I was not talking about 1900's obviously, I can't speak for higher then 1700 but kotf rapes so far. Ungankable farm with invis and most of the time they don't even bother. I just warn my team ahead of time and get blue or teal to take a good solo bot. Rush to 6 and start ganking, pushing towers. Get pkey/refresher in 30 minutes and its gg. Hell he even works ok in a lane big hp and auto attacks he can withstand a lot of harass and even use his dogs to come around from behind the enemy and harass them or go kill the easy camp ect. I am sure it doesn't work as well with good players but I see no reason to not consider him.

[BlanketGhost]

Most people in 1600 tier pub does not care much about junglers and that is why most of them are viable picks but then the rest depends on how good your team can clash with the other team.

Junglers with escape mechanism are pain in the ass. Sure, people can catch lone War Beast or Ophelia in the wood. But Parasite and KotF? Pftt. Wasting their time risking their lives out to get killed.

But I would say that it is teamfights and momentum that counts. You could win teamfights early on, but let time goes by then you lost your advantage and that happens a lot with 1600 tier.

Sadly, that tier is filled to the brim with kids who would not listen to what others say and want his team to win for him and then he takes credit. I do not really mind if my loses just and fairly, but if it is some dumbass loses his lane, complains, blame and flame all the time and spamming ccat15retard like a noob then I would be mad.

It does not matter if you can roflstomp, as long as you have those jackass in your team. Chances are that you are going to lose.

[DeepWaters]

Oh, it's THIS thread again...

Anyways, if you're blaming your team for failing, you're in the bracket where you belong, end of story. I just carried my team with a jungling from level 1 soulstealer because I had a glad craving for mid, who ended up 2/9/5. So what ?
Any hero will be able to carry your team to victory if you can play it. You play better than them right ? YOU win your lane ? So go help the others ! Be DOMINANT. Not the guy that does ok early but can't do **** later on.

Pick a random replay of yours, and watch you play. Watch you miss 50% of the easy CK's, and 90% of the hard ones. Realise you have ZERO map awareness. Realise how much time you spend running in circles like a headless chicken. Basically, realise how bad YOU are. Once you did this, fix the problems. A 1700 is a 1600 who started to fix simple things like watching his minimap and last-hitting. Quit blaming your team, improve your game, MMR/PSR will follow until another "wall" comes through. Rinse and repeat.

Remember that if someone on your team plays like sh*t, someone on the other team balances it.
If you can't admit the fact that you could play better, you can't improve. Gl with this game, hope I helped.


Load of wanna be pro crap. I can play balphagore and push the hell outta of the enemy and set good ganks, yet if my carries are a bunch of morons that are like "yo lets rush marchers and frostfire and ignore bracelets and powersupply even if im a 800 hp paper of a hero vs a burst team like cthulu SS and HB" and the polly is like "lets rush SToM to increase my ult to be OP and not buy wards trololol" then you will lose anyways. You want to know how you already lost? Youre the only one that talks through the 2 min of single draft.

So maybe the OP wants to know about independent hero he can play so he will be able to climb up the bracket, and when he is high enough, he can play the heroes that he likes that he couldnt play because they were too advanced for the trash that hed play with in the lower brackets.
But instead of helping him a bunch of "lol u noob scrub" type of players troll him for not knowing what hero he needs to pick, not considering the fact that if he had played with better players he had more knowlage about the game, some of it includes what heroes to pick when your team is a bunch of brain tissue donors.

Saying ANY HERO CAN WIN THE GAME shows of ignorance. Do TDL and a ramp have an equal chance of winning a lower bracket match? The doesnt depend on stacking, warding, ganking, not ksing the carry, all symptoms of lower bracket games.
So please, either tell the poor guy what heroes are better off in lower bracket games than others, or stop trolling if you dont.

[Spankle]

^that guy!

To get out of 1500s and low 1600s i played alot of Plague, Electrician, Jere, and intiators. A mid intiator like bubbles is a good pick in low brackets because most people refuse to intiate. If you take on that roll then its easier to get your team to follow you up.

Or just play ra. If you cant get higher than 1650 with Ra you belong in the 1500s

Other good intiators to play would be Legionnaire in the jungle. assuming you ahve a comptetent solo. Boots (unupgraded) Lifetube PK in that order ALWAYAS then upgrade boots and get helm. Nothing makes me nerd rage more than seeing a lego without a pk. if you PK in taunt more than 2 and your team doesnt follow you up and you die then it is NOT your fault you lost that game. No matter how much the "pros" say you can stomp your way out with any hero if ur good enough you can not pick nymphora and carry yourself through the 1600s not gonna happen.

I played 2 games as bubbles last night first time i went 5-0-? as blue next game i went 4-15-? as pink. Did my play as bubbles suddenly change and became a trash feeder. No. I intiated and had no follow up and was hard countered by an opposing vindicator. In situations like that theres nothing you can do no matter how good you may be with any hero. This is still a team game so when it comes down to it you cant rely solely on yourself. I dont care if you go 6-0 mid in the first 5 minutes of the game. If you top and bottom lane go 0-15 you lost

[TheCho5enOne]

dw can instant kill most of the heros from early to mid game. great ganker

[DangerChap]

The thing you have to remember sons, is that sure you will have games where you lose regardless of how you did. That's why not even the competetive top players go say 100-0 on smurfs.

But those games will always be few, and if you're good enough you will have the consistency to win every single one of the games that doesn't have a 0-20 top lane.

Don't argue with it, it's just the way it is. It's not a coincidence that players like for instance CRUSHED reaches 1950 with around 80% win. He sure had his share of games which were unwinnable because of excessive feeding on the side lanes. But since he's good, he won most of the games that weren't that way, so he still managed to keep the losses at only 20%.

Get what I'm saying?

[Theburned]

I am ****ing tired of picking for example Soulstealer :souls: and then going 4-0 mid and ganking and for some weird reason our supports do not buy wards or fail late game. The same happens if we have 1-2 carries and they can not farm and go in all teamfights before 20 mins. So which hero can carry without his team ?

:corr::valk::alun::doct::para::fors::wret::devo::s ouls::emer:

semi carries usually give you quite the advantage if you are better than other players. They dominate early-mid and from that farm they get early mid they dominate late. They tend to have nukes that deal above average for a skill. some semi scaling ability. like a blink or a steroid skill like :corr:'s conduit, or :alun:'s q-spell.
escape skills help a lot.

:monk::amun: tend to dominate games.

:deme: usually counted as a pure support, but if you outskill your opponent enough you can go up semi carry lvl with him.

[Amdyn]

My philosophy (and I am by no means successful at it) is not to be the worst player in the game.

Statistically I should get games where all the "good" players are on the other team and we lose. You get those games where someone just plays bad and suddenly scout is the highest level player in the game.

Statistically I also get games where Sayonara goes 23/0 in 23 minutes and is on my team - there are lots of alt accounts going around.
Those games even out.

So just work on farming properly, ganking at the right time, warding when needed and I reckon you will outplay most 1600's and over time that MMR/PSR will go up.

[Ricolas]

If you're 4-0 with good farm mid and your supports aren't buying wards... buy the wards yourself?

[Apolon94]

Uhh... you know it I guess, often it is not enough going x-0 because kills don't matter that much if your team feeds the enemy carry, so either:
be the hard-carry who will get fed (so easy with :moon:, for me) or get tower pushers/destroyers (for me :tort:/:poll:/:defi:), because at this level people still don't know how to counter effectively early pushes, and getting those towers gives gold to your whole team, which can't be bad.

[Pepperz]

As they have said there really is no one hero to cure all your ails.

My advice , buy wards, even if its not your 'job'. If you get 1-2 ganks or avoid 1-2 ganks it was well worth your money. Don't buy all of them, but you can toss down a couple here and there.

And carry a TP.

[chaRx]

I am ****ing tired of picking for example Soulstealer :souls: and then going 4-0 mid and ganking and for some weird reason our supports do not buy wards or fail late game. The same happens if we have 1-2 carries and they can not farm and go in all teamfights before 20 mins. So which hero can carry without his team ?

Buy your own wards n courier then. I do it all the time when im soloqing.
As for the hero you play, it doesn't really matter much. As long as you don't pick some dogshit hero that can't dominate a game. Ive done harkons glacius solo mid & carried games in that bracket.

Complaining will get you nowhere, only will end up with griefing teammates.
There are always games you can't carry, no matter how hard you are stomping. Lost a game after going 27-0 in 20mins as pebbles before.

Solo queueing can be a pain, but in the end it evens out & you get where you somewhat belong. Only as a support player it's pretty much impossible to reliably gain rating while soloQing up to 1800. You're entirely dependant of your team & can do **** if they are ****ing retarded. Tried it & was the worst experience ive had in this game.

[Aray]

if your team only partially suffering from downs:

hag, bub, ss

if your team is full on retard:

dw, tremble

[nfank]

for me its cd / tort / pwog / dev

find heroes your great at that which either involve jungle or solo mid
from there it all comes down to playing as if you are 100+ skill rating above everyone else

[Thooom]

It's because 1700s are not that much better than 1600s.

So you can't carry them alone.
Some will suggest going forrest, but then you leave a 1600 to solo lane against 2 1600s and you will lose more games than you win because of that.

The best way have always been going mid. No matter what hero you have the mid lane determines what will happen early to mid game.

So if you are leaps and bounds better than the other mid and own him and gank the lanes your allies will outlevel the enemy heroes.

Seeing as hard carries are so popular in 1600 (mostly because if the game is won by the team they get good scores), destroying the other team hard carries will leave them with 2-3 valuable players.

tl;dr go mid, destroy the other guy, gank the other team hard carries (because in 1600 there always hard carries) and you get 2-3 useless heroes on the other team while your hard carries are farmed.

Imo junglers work great, the main reason junglers fail is because they NEVER gank. I've seen countless Ophelia's live in the jungle until level 13+ farming her codex lvl 5. Comes in steals 2 kills from afar and concedes. Same goes for Parasite etc. Junglers tends to forget about the time and too rarely uses the minimap. In the 1600-1700s that is.

[Vera]

Jesus. This thread again?

Realise you're not good enough to pubstomp your way out of the 1600 bracket; if you were, you would have done so already. And focus on how YOU can improve YOUR game.

Stop this whining bullshit about everyone feeding and not buying wards and what not, you're only embarrassing yourself.

this. in fact, 49% winrate at 1577 shows you don't even belong in the 1600 bracket.

[ArnoldRimmer]

Keeper.

Tremble.

Got two 1800 smurfs with those heroes ONLY. (OHMG MMR SUCH A GOOD INDICATOR OF SKILL)

This account flounders high 1600's.

[Micker]

Just pick RA and win...

[pilf]

Definately HAG!

Blink, nuke + autoattack DPS if farmed.
Can do everything on her own and needs no real support from the own team.


and lol @ the guys who suggest melee heroes without blink or chase ability.

[YourDog]

UPDATE: From 1750 to 1575 in about 1 week. Seems not only the hero and the skill matters, but are you in mood to play. For example, i played like 3-4 games at about 1:00-3:00am. I got crushed. Repeated this about 4-5 times and today its not my lucky day, lost even to 1650 players and lower. Hope it will get better after a while. Cya!

[bear_hugger]

I am gonna give you a tips to get back to 1700 ezpz.

You pick :ramp: and demand mid.

You also need this

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTam6IUy9iBS_XSwEbWjFEkOo8HJ--9ORI_hQr4cC1DCxevzkmW


Also, max horned strike first.

[Pudds]

i'd have to say chipper, pebbles, pudge
for pudge you have to fustrate the enemy so they concede early.
pretty weak hero late.

[Farosarg]

One thing's for sure. I really really hate to play against an active early-game Parasite or Tempest. Even Ophelia isn't as troublesome!

[MrDeath2000]

nomad mid, rape mid, rush shieldbreaker after boots and bottle. Run around 2 shotting people mid game. You can do the same with MK and DM.

[iExtazy]

u are joke

[K0diak]

Get really bloody good with Torturer mid. If want to support, play Voodoo Jester, since he can do pretty much everything a support should with no items. Plus he turns into a Deadwood style ganker if he's got an amazing start.

[HollowMask]

I am ****ing tired of picking for example Soulstealer :souls: and then going 4-0 mid and ganking and for some weird reason our supports do not buy wards or fail late game. The same happens if we have 1-2 carries and they can not farm and go in all teamfights before 20 mins. So which hero can carry without his team ?

:defi::tort::fors::zeph::moon: are the best example that I can think of.

Ironically enough I have probably listed some of the highest DPS potential heroes in the game that have a relatively non-difficult time in the laning phase or levelling phase.

MQ and Torturer strike me as having the highest damage potential in the game, while Zephyr and Defiler can act as a tanking carry. Forsaken Archer is devastating even played as a solo carry.

[TRYTROUSERS]

just pick s2 semicarries, they require no coordination or intelligence to play, so just sit there and farm some combination of sols/nulstone/treads/hood/vg and then spam buttons and probably win because the other team didnt draft 4 stuns and cant stop you from escaping

[PiefPoefPaf]

There is no way to win solo consistently, because even if you get 10-0 in 5 mins, it's very likely someone else is gonna be 11-0.

But otherwise: Solo mid heroes that gank well.

Flint, Hag, Sillhoute, Tremble.

Especially Tremble.

[Patchu]

just pick s2 semicarries, they require no coordination or intelligence to play, so just sit there and farm some combination of sols/nulstone/treads/hood/vg and then spam buttons and probably win because the other team didnt draft 4 stuns and cant stop you from escaping

**** you :monk:. Trying to stun you as :pyro: is annoying as ****. It's just a guessing game and when I lose I find myself being tossed around for 3 seconds and left with 10hp afterwards. You're pretty much the only hero I legitimately despise seeing on the enemy team.

On another note, I've been trying :pyro: sidelane (if we have a competent-looking mid), or mid (if we don't). Don't need much farm so I can ward all over the place and still pump out some scary dps in teamfights and ganks. Pushing towers is quick and easy too, thanks to his wave clearing creeps and his dot working on towers. Over the course of the game I farm up ghost marchers, hellflower and tabcom. The hellflower because it builds easily and gives me the ability to roam more without returning to base and gives nice stats, and the tabcom for escaping/chasing/popping nullstones. I've been winning around 60-70% of my recent matches with him, so it's sort-of working. One downside is that if you end up having to carry, those items add close to no survivability apart from mobility, so if the enemy team focuses you and your team lacks disables, you're screwed.

Once I get bored of pyro, I'm gonna try this fellow next :pest:.

[Araeliz]

four

[Ainion]

Too lazy to see if anyone wrote it but -
WAR BEAST.
On-par with tree, even better in some circumstances.

Go forest.
Get puzzlebox.
you do more damage than tree and can backdoor just as easily.

[china]

:elec:

[Ainion]

:elec:
China also makes an excellent point here.

Electrician mid can be devastating. Max shield and it's GG. Easy farm, easier kills. You can poop all over pebbles with elec mid.

[kingcools]

China also makes an excellent point here.

Electrician mid can be devastating. Max shield and it's GG. Easy farm, easier kills. You can poop all over pebbles with elec mid.

everyone is saying maxing shield owns, but how is it better early then his E nuke?

[PrestonLee]

everyone is saying maxing shield owns, but how is it better early then his E nuke?because with shield maxed first he can dive like a complete retard moron yet never die, and kill people with a free 60dps mock (you don't even need mana to use it, just keep spamming shield to turn it on) just by butthugging them with the +50mspd from nuke (which is the same at all levels of nuke), if you don't believe it, just try it.

so many people refuse to go shield max first on electrician, but honestly, just try it and you'll never give it a second thought and probably tell yourself you were a moron for not doing it in the first place.

don't get me wrong, max nuke is great for the mana burn and all, but even a level 2 nuke is still going to do nicely with a 1/4/2 build, shield on the other hand is pretty useless before it's maxed. so max it first, you can dive people like a complete idiot and still come out on top, and this is without any items, items just makes it even worse (especially mana pool pickups, ex RoS).

and level 1 Q is sufficient for setting up ganks on most targets, 2.5 seconds is plenty of time to setup a gank on any target unless your team just has down syndrome. the only time you want to level it up higher before all your other skills is when your job on the team is SPECIFICALLY to hold down a hero with an escape mech.

tl;dr - just try max shield first, people completely underestimate how strong it is when you get it early in the game. retarded amounts of survivability and dps rolled into one skill that a lot of people don't realize.

edit:
and the shield is an AMAZING farming tool, you jsut turn that sh1t on and run into a creep wave and everything just melts, then you use your nuke to finish off the wave and your mana is back <_> why would you not want it earlier so you can abuse the farm and super snowball it? it's almost Amun-Ra bad in terms of herpaderp easy farm, in some ways even worse because he can abuse it earlier than Ra can.