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leetsys
09-09-2011, 10:25 PM
So there has been a recent influx if Mac haters on this forum so I just want to discuss a few minor points of Mac vs Windows PC's.

1. Reliable sleep mode
The killer feature of every Mac which can't be underestimated (and you don't realise how important it is until you own a Mac) is OS X's 100% reliable, near-instant suspend and resume.

Windows PCs have just never had this. Reliability on Windows is hit and miss, and it's nowhere near instant. As a result most people are in the habit of shutting down their PC totally -- or worse, leaving them on 24/7, chewing up power.

The difference between Mac and Windows in this respect is the difference between broadband and dialup internet. Back in the 90s, many people couldn't see the point of paying extra for an always-on internet service, as "it only takes a minute to connect using the dialup…"

I always shake my head in bemusement when I read about Microsoft working on dramatically shortening boot time on Windows. Boot time shouldn't be such a pivotal issue if suspend and resume worked well. Mac users probably reboot their Mac on average about once a month -- and often only to install an OS update. Which leads to my second point.

2. Extremely fast boot times
Rebooting a Windows PC can be such a painful experience that you really procrastinate doing it. Unless you're running on the highest spec hardware, Vista can take minutes to start up.

Mac OS X starts up from a cold boot in about 25 seconds on a current-gen MacBook Pro. As another journalist contributing to the discussion observed, this is not a faked boot speed, where the operating system maker has rushed to get the login window on screen, but delayed loading the rest of the OS. It's a genuine boot-to-usable-desktop time.

3. Apple uses good quality parts.
Aside from the operating system, Mac hardware is usually good quality. Apple's fit and finish doesn't generally bend and creak like the plastic panels on many PC laptops; Apple's keyboards are high quality; Apple selects good quality parts like very good LCD panels for its screens.

You can essentially buy a Mac product sight-unseen and know you'll be happy with the quality of the display, whereas PC laptops are a huge grab bag ranging from horrendous, dim rubbish to spectacular. (I have to admit I personally don't think the basic MacBook screen is of a quality that I would want to buy, but then, I think it's still better than a lot of PC notebook screens.)

4. OS X + Windows is better than just Windows
Ignoring Linux, on a Mac I can legitimately run OS X and Windows (natively, or under virtualisation). On a PC I can only legitimately run Windows.

It means I can use OS X for everything, but if there's the occasional application for Windows I need to use (specialised company application; MS Access; mobile phone firmware upgrader utilities) I can easily do use Windows.

Another of my colleagues said she's found a good use for OS X's Spaces virtual desktop feature -- OS X on one desktop and Windows on another desktop. Of course, you can always pause a virtual machine, too, which means having Windows on-call when you need it doesn't need to be chewing up CPU time in the background.
http://apcmag.com/images/os-x-spaces-plus-virtualization.jpg

5. Easier to troubleshoot Macs.
It's usually pretty easy to figure out what's going wrong with a Mac. There are three applications that help you and are all in one place and easy to find in the Applications/Utilities folder:
http://apcmag.com/images/troubleshooting-apps.jpg

Last but not least... a true Command Line Interface (CLI). Sure windows has a "Command Prompt" but what control does it honestly give over your computer if Windows "Command Prompt" has to be run in its own simulated environment?

Subtle
09-09-2011, 10:28 PM
Go play Photoshop lol

MojoSoul
09-09-2011, 10:30 PM
Mac is the best. Ferrari of comps.

facedown
09-09-2011, 10:30 PM
Clearly you are a troll. This troll post belongs in off topic or the garbage.

leetsys
09-09-2011, 10:35 PM
Leave it to a gaming forum to troll me and call me a troll for presenting valid information in a pleasant manner.

Who are the real trolls?

Numerio
09-09-2011, 10:36 PM
I like windows more, and I dont want to spend more money on something I like less

problem officer?

facedown
09-09-2011, 10:38 PM
Leave it to a gaming forum to troll me and call me a troll for presenting valid information in a pleasant manner.

Who are the real trolls?
You know this has nothing to do with HoN. You also know all this is going to do is turn into a shitstorm so yes, you clearly intended this as a troll post.

leetsys
09-09-2011, 10:41 PM
You also know all this is going to do is turn into a shitstorm so yes, you clearly intended this as a troll post.

Caught red handed. sad :pand:

Demonic150
09-09-2011, 10:41 PM
rofl
I spent half as much on my PC, installed Windows for gaming, use Ubuntu for work, and I'm twice as fast as my friend's iMac which was like $ 2000. Problem?

Dougletron
09-09-2011, 10:42 PM
I like how these hipsters are trying to prove Macs are better. News flash *******s, a Mac is a PC. Because you bought retail china PCs in the past is why you fail, now you are fail headed and have to pay lots for something thats ok but still qualifies you as fail. Buy a PC with top name brand parts and not only will you have saved a ton but you'll be spoiled with a sexy beast. Then again...you're just an incompetent dud head who can't handle the feat of building your own PC Sad panda face for you-especially since its so easy. My grandma can do it. :(

Pendulum_
09-09-2011, 10:42 PM
http://www.loleg.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/mac-vs-pc.jpg

And yes I own a PC, and a zx10 lol

leetsys
09-09-2011, 10:45 PM
How can so many people ignore a standard CLI and say Windows is still better than a Mac or any *nix based OS? Do people honestly not want true control over their OS?

Dougletron
09-09-2011, 10:48 PM
How can so many people ignore a standard CLI and say Windows is still better than a Mac or any *nix based OS? Do people honestly not want true control over their OS?

Sounds like you've been brainwashed by a Mac associate, it's ok--they only hire the most charming gentlemen so a homo like yourself stands absolutely no chance.

lokilindo
09-09-2011, 10:48 PM
I can bet my Butt, that all of these ppl hating have PCs and can't afford Macs.

lokilindo
09-09-2011, 10:50 PM
How can so many people ignore a standard CLI and say Windows is still better than a Mac or any *nix based OS? Do people honestly not want true control over their OS?
The only reason you want control on a PC is to make it Better.... Us Mac users don't need control because who in their right mind would change perfection?

Pendulum_
09-09-2011, 10:51 PM
I can bet my Butt, that all of these ppl hating have PCs and can't afford Macs.

Yeah, I can afford a zx10 simply as a weekend toy, but I cant afford a Mac.

That's some Mac logic for ya.

Lucretius
09-09-2011, 10:51 PM
So there has been a recent influx if Mac haters on this forum so I just want to discuss a few minor points of Mac vs Windows PC's.

inb4 moved to offtopic

Also THIS (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant)

...and quickly...

Point #1
- There has been no recent influx. Mac hate has been around as long as Mac. (most of the hate is directed at Mac users to be honest)


1. Reliable sleep mode

Service Pack 3 for XP, and Windows 7 sleeps and resumes fine.
The only bottlenecks are:
- How much crap you're running.
- What kind of hard disk config you're running.


I always shake my head in bemusement when I read about Microsoft working on dramatically shortening boot time on Windows. Boot time shouldn't be such a pivotal issue if suspend and resume worked well.

bemusement:
1. To cause to be bewildered; confuse. See Synonyms at daze.
2. To cause to be engrossed in thought

So you dive deep into throught, or cause bewildered (as opposed to become bewildered)? I think that the word you were searching for but couldn't quite find through your thick fog of Mac-Elitist-Fanboism is "amusement."


2. Extremely fast boot times

My computer loads Windows 7 Pro x64 from completely off to ready to use in 7 seconds. Rebooting is roughly double that (a little more than 14). SSD's (what the future of hard drives will be) make your argument totally moot.


3. Apple uses good quality parts.

PC's can be built with any parts you want. (Markets exist for all qualities)
- cheap parts are good for budget builds.
- expensive parts are good for performance builds.

So basically Apple isn't as flexible.

[/quote]4. OS X + Windows is better than just Windows
Ignoring Linux, on a Mac I can legitimately run OS X and Windows (natively, or under virtualisation). On a PC I can only legitimately run Windows.[/quote]

Can't be done you say? (http://lifehacker.com/348653/install-os-x-on-your-hackintosh-pc-no-hacking-required)

(just one quick example. Google searches return many many more results.)


5. Easier to troubleshoot Macs.

Those apps end up telling you "go get your computer fixed" or "unknown, go get your computer fixed." They're just as generic and uninformative as a windows error.

lokilindo
09-09-2011, 10:52 PM
Yeah, I can afford a zx10 simply as a weekend toy, but I cant afford a Mac.

That's some Mac logic for ya.

then is worse than I thought... YOUR ARE JUST IGNORANT :)

DoubleEh
09-09-2011, 10:54 PM
mac = 3000$ hipster college girls facebook machine

SleepingJoey
09-09-2011, 10:54 PM
MFW windows fanboys don't realize that they're newest OS that's not a fail (cough cough VISTA cough cough) is trying to be more like OS X

MFW Windows suggests buying a new computer every 4 years, something most PC fanboys complain about for Macs not lasting.

MFW I have no face.

BlakeDarko
09-09-2011, 10:54 PM
go play LoL

LOL WAIT WAT?

meowx
09-09-2011, 10:57 PM
Mac O_O..

In my perspective Macs arent built for gaming thats why most games are not compatible to mac

FOr me mac is used for editing, office work, and school.

SleepingJoey
09-09-2011, 10:57 PM
bemusement:
1. To cause to be bewildered; confuse. See Synonyms at daze.
2. To cause to be engrossed in thought

So you dive deep into throught, or cause bewildered (as opposed to become bewildered)? I think that the word you were searching for but couldn't quite find through your thick fog of Mac-Elitist-Fanboism is "amusement."


Wow...

http://troll.me/images/futurama-fry/not-sure-if-stupid-or-just-trolling.jpg
http://images.google.com/imgres?q=fry+not+sure+if+stupid+or+just+trolling&hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1155&bih=920&tbm=isch&tbnid=n40l6FxNyaYujM:&imgrefurl=http://troll.me/not-sure-if-stupid-or-just-trolling/&docid=VFBFeaS9XVnpzM&w=552&h=414&ei=7tFqTpOAPKbmiALBj9jODg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=274&page=1&tbnh=130&tbnw=173&start=0&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=129&ty=71

MarioMCP
09-09-2011, 11:10 PM
I really don't see the point of owning a mac when I can build my own PC for less, and it'll be more powerful, upgradeable, and actually be able to play game.

Lucretius
09-09-2011, 11:10 PM
Does it bemuse you Sleeping Joey?

Why should a company working to improve its product cause bemusement in someone? OP was amused because he thinks Microsoft is attacking a problem from the wrong angle. (working on boot times when they should be eliminating the need to reboot) He's not confused, he thinks Microsoft is dumb. IOW OP thinks he's a lot more intelligent than he is, and when he misuses words trying to look smart it only makes everyone laugh at him (and now you) harder.

Demonic150
09-09-2011, 11:12 PM
I can bet my Butt, that all of these ppl hating have PCs and can't afford Macs.

Aha, your butt is mine!

Preparing the lube now, tell me when ready.

ohhhhbeeee
09-09-2011, 11:13 PM
haha, he's still bemused.

JackSparrow`
09-09-2011, 11:14 PM
maybe pc users wouldnt hate mac users if they werent elitist, ignorant and annoying

toofast
09-09-2011, 11:22 PM
http://www.loleg.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/mac-vs-pc.jpg


This pretty much summed up the thread. Get back to playing hon games, which don't record now.

Tupac
09-09-2011, 11:24 PM
SSDs make comparing boot times pretty useless, Win 7 loads up within 20-25 seconds. As that technology becomes cheaper/more reliable, it'll probably be the norm to just have a small ssd for a boot drive for both pcs/macs.

Pendulum_
09-09-2011, 11:26 PM
http://pw0nd.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/macvspc.jpg

pencilcheck
09-09-2011, 11:38 PM
Service Pack 3 for XP, and Windows 7 sleeps and resumes fine.
The only bottlenecks are:
- How much crap you're running.
- What kind of hard disk config you're running.


Well, they are not reliable and since there are many customizable parts, they are not reliable on all combinations thus if you have parts not working well with the sleep algorithms, the resume will **** you up. At least I have never ever have to shut down my mac at any cost, my computer will simply resume back to normal speed by reopening my apps. But that's not the case for windows, I have to restart every 3 days (at most) usually 1 day max.



My computer loads Windows 7 Pro x64 from completely off to ready to use in 7 seconds. Rebooting is roughly double that (a little more than 14). SSD's (what the future of hard drives will be) make your argument totally moot.


SSD, so what? mac boot with less time with SSD too. But why would you want to boot when you can just resume?



PC's can be built with any parts you want. (Markets exist for all qualities)
- cheap parts are good for budget builds.
- expensive parts are good for performance builds.

So basically Apple isn't as flexible.


Well, that means you have to handle all the **** from the parts you bought. No people or company to back you off with free repair and if you messed up that's money wasted. And I'm sure there are people hacking their MacBooks to install different parts as well, just that they usually do it after their warranty expired.

Also since you mentioned hackintosh, mac and windows are now on the same level....both are customizable.



Those apps end up telling you "go get your computer fixed" or "unknown, go get your computer fixed." They're just as generic and uninformative as a windows error.

Nope, you ignorant idiot, they provide much more than windows generic error messages and can only wait for others to help you or reinstall your windoze...

Talesavo
09-09-2011, 11:50 PM
I use my gaming PC when I want to play videogames

I use my Macbook Air when I'm at work.


WHOA!

facedown
09-09-2011, 11:54 PM
This is the best use for a Mac.
http://s1.static.gotsmile.net/images/2011/05/02/mac-book-cut-bread_130434900442.jpg

Dazzle
09-09-2011, 11:54 PM
The Mac resumes quickly is such bullshit. I wonder if any of these Mac users are really pushing their machines to their limits. We do at the office i work in. You know what kinda problems we have? We had a guy who, within a year of purchasing his laptop, could not get his display up bringing it back from sleep. It takes taking out the battery multiple times. Also, we have one of the bigger Macs, the one we used at one point for big graphics design, also fail within a year. It is unable to come out of sleep sometimes, and on top of that hte brightness doesnt reset itself. Macs Troubleshooter is idiotic, and most of hte time atually does require you to take the machine to an Apple store.

toofast
09-09-2011, 11:57 PM
Well, they are not reliable and since there are many customizable parts, they are not reliable on all combinations thus if you have parts not working well with the sleep algorithms, the resume will **** you up. At least I have never ever have to shut down my mac at any cost, my computer will simply resume back to normal speed by reopening my apps. But that's not the case for windows, I have to restart every 3 days (at most) usually 1 day max.

All this post says, is that your PC is a POS. I don't think i have ever had to restart my PC (other than updates). I have been sleeping it, the whole time i have had it (4 years), and no issues.

Also, "if you have parts not working well with the sleeping algorithm". Wtf is this ****. It just suspends the workspace to ram, then leaves only the ram running.



Nope, you ignorant idiot, they provide much more than windows generic error messages and can only wait for others to help you or reinstall your windoze...

What. Windows provides a lot of debug info. It gives you a memory dump, as well as specific information on what actually happened. Sure, if you don't know much about computers, you probably won't be able to fix it yourself, but with the internet (has mac got that yet?), you can pretty much google any error, and get the problem fixed yourself.

Talesavo
09-09-2011, 11:58 PM
The Mac resumes quickly is such bullshit. I wonder if any of these Mac users are really pushing their machines to their limits. We do at the office i work in. You know what kinda problems we have? We had a guy who, within a year of purchasing his laptop, could not get his display up bringing it back from sleep. It takes taking out the battery multiple times. Also, we have one of the bigger Macs, the one we used at one point for big graphics design, also fail within a year. It is unable to come out of sleep sometimes, and on top of that hte brightness doesnt reset itself. Macs Troubleshooter is idiotic, and most of hte time atually does require you to take the machine to an Apple store.


Push it to the limit? The majority of mac users use their mac's as glorified facebook machines and light doc editing. Hell, that's all I use mine for, web browsing, dropbox editing and youtube *****.

Frewbags
09-10-2011, 12:00 AM
The Mac hate is pretty much an archaic hivemind idea started by pc users a long time ago.
It's not really relevant these days, people just like to restate an old opinion to be like everyone else.
Don't hate it unless you've tried it IMO

Dougletron
09-10-2011, 12:00 AM
Don't worry yall with Steve Jobs gone Macs won't even be something people talk about by next year, they'll be like furbies, one of those funny fuked up things in the past.

SOCKit2me
09-10-2011, 12:02 AM
Well, that means you have to handle all the **** from the parts you bought. No people or company to back you off with free repair and if you messed up that's money wasted. And I'm sure there are people hacking their MacBooks to install different parts as well, just that they usually do it after their warranty expired.


No one can be this stupid. Almost every part you buy individually has its own company backed warranty, and your defense for having a customizable machine is that "you have to handle all the **** from the parts you bought?" Thats the WHOLE POINT of creating it yourself, so that you can control what goes into your machine.

Must be trolling 9/10

Talesavo
09-10-2011, 12:05 AM
As a Mac owner, I ****in hate Apple-tards that go on about how it's the best thing since sliced bread. Sheeple retards imo.

facedown
09-10-2011, 12:13 AM
How do you explain this. (http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/26/macbook-air-hinge-defect-not-covered-by-apples-warranty/) To bad they do not stand behind their product, but then again their customers are unable to properly hold a phone.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/02/mba-broken-hinge-1.jpg

facedown
09-10-2011, 12:14 AM
As a Mac owner, I ****in hate Apple-tards that go on about how it's the best thing since sliced bread. Sheeple retards imo.

I think you missed the point. It is so sharp that people are getting cut.

Numerio
09-10-2011, 12:14 AM
Srsly, I almost never reboot my Windows PC,

its running atm since a month, no problems there

but ye, I guess Mac does this alot "better" and cooler

facedown
09-10-2011, 12:19 AM
What happens when you need a new battery .... for any Apple product (http://www.apple.com/support/macbookpro/service/battery/)?

Zebracakes
09-10-2011, 12:44 AM
What computer has lost the pwn2own for as many years as I can remember? Oh yeah Macs.


http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Random/mac-vs-pc-replacements.jpg

Ulcerate
09-10-2011, 12:56 AM
so you know i owned both, my mac doesnt work anymore and i decided to buy a pc, i work on a mac and you know, only thing macs are good for... is font management...that is all, if you understand that youll know what my job is.

mac is an hype right now, if you think mac is better, well you are wrong, sure itll basically come stronger than your ordinary 600$ pc you pay 3 times the price for shiny useless things that could be better if you invested the same amount of money on a pc.

btw Mac crashes, they will shutdown or open by themselves, they will eat your cd/dvd or whatever and eject it 1 day later. Did i just have badluck ? out of 3 macs i had they all did it.

stop comparing vista to mac... its like comparing anything before os x... its like you guys didnt even try it.

to the main post, your aguments are invalid.
WHY THE HELL WOULD I WANT TO RUN OS X ON MY PC? there is no ****ing use.

L_Siu
09-10-2011, 04:06 AM
How does the "Can't afford a Mac" theory work? Pretty sure everyone can afford a Mac, and there are also PC that are more expensive than Macs. All my laptops at home cost more than a Mac ($3000 Vaio Z)...and I still don't want a Mac because my softwares don't runs on them, and I don't want to go through all the bother to get virtual windows...

becreative
09-10-2011, 04:17 AM
http://d3uwin5q170wpc.cloudfront.net/photo/16961_700b.jpg


http://9gag.com/gag/206705

`Faen
09-10-2011, 04:26 AM
Always hated Apple, thought they were a greedy company, demanding a very bad "bang for buck" trade.

Well, I bought the cheapest 13" Macbook Pro a few months ago for my school, and I have used my PC ONLY to play. I don't see the reason to use it to anything else. OS X is so much better to use, it's faster, it's more reliable (I never thought I'd say this, cause I'm a very decent PC user aswell), when I leave my dorm 10:00 in the morning, stay at school untill 16:00, and I STILL have plenty of hours left on the battery. It has so much more advanced and clever features: Exposè, Spaces and so on.

So from a former Mac hater gone Mac. I don't regret it. I have no problems seeing why it's more expensive than a PC-counterpart. It's the whole package.


But yeah, I can't stand Applemaniacs that has Steve Jobs as their god and guru, and keeps bragging and yelling about how awesome it is.
I doubt 99% of the haters have never tried a Mac.

joecanfield
09-10-2011, 06:29 AM
once upon a time, i went into the apple store as a generic heterosexual male.
i exited the store as typical homosexual, with a shiny new macbook pro.
~the end~

Snowyowl
09-10-2011, 06:54 AM
Good post, too bad it's on the wrong forum. This forum is inhabited to 83% of ignorant kids which parents can't afford to buy them a real computer.

They're all just jealous of those of us who make a little more money and can afford a better computer. Again, good post, but it'll lead to nothing but more hate from the Micro$hit community.

Ninja_Style
09-10-2011, 07:00 AM
Moved to OT.

YawningAngel
09-10-2011, 08:34 AM
So there has been a recent influx if Mac haters on this forum so I just want to discuss a few minor points of Mac vs Windows PC's.

1. Reliable sleep mode
The killer feature of every Mac which can't be underestimated (and you don't realise how important it is until you own a Mac) is OS X's 100% reliable, near-instant suspend and resume.

Windows PCs have just never had this. Reliability on Windows is hit and miss, and it's nowhere near instant. As a result most people are in the habit of shutting down their PC totally -- or worse, leaving them on 24/7, chewing up power.

The difference between Mac and Windows in this respect is the difference between broadband and dialup internet. Back in the 90s, many people couldn't see the point of paying extra for an always-on internet service, as "it only takes a minute to connect using the dialup…"

I always shake my head in bemusement when I read about Microsoft working on dramatically shortening boot time on Windows. Boot time shouldn't be such a pivotal issue if suspend and resume worked well. Mac users probably reboot their Mac on average about once a month -- and often only to install an OS update. Which leads to my second point.

2. Extremely fast boot times
Rebooting a Windows PC can be such a painful experience that you really procrastinate doing it. Unless you're running on the highest spec hardware, Vista can take minutes to start up.

Mac OS X starts up from a cold boot in about 25 seconds on a current-gen MacBook Pro. As another journalist contributing to the discussion observed, this is not a faked boot speed, where the operating system maker has rushed to get the login window on screen, but delayed loading the rest of the OS. It's a genuine boot-to-usable-desktop time.

3. Apple uses good quality parts.
Aside from the operating system, Mac hardware is usually good quality. Apple's fit and finish doesn't generally bend and creak like the plastic panels on many PC laptops; Apple's keyboards are high quality; Apple selects good quality parts like very good LCD panels for its screens.

You can essentially buy a Mac product sight-unseen and know you'll be happy with the quality of the display, whereas PC laptops are a huge grab bag ranging from horrendous, dim rubbish to spectacular. (I have to admit I personally don't think the basic MacBook screen is of a quality that I would want to buy, but then, I think it's still better than a lot of PC notebook screens.)

4. OS X + Windows is better than just Windows
Ignoring Linux, on a Mac I can legitimately run OS X and Windows (natively, or under virtualisation). On a PC I can only legitimately run Windows.

It means I can use OS X for everything, but if there's the occasional application for Windows I need to use (specialised company application; MS Access; mobile phone firmware upgrader utilities) I can easily do use Windows.

Another of my colleagues said she's found a good use for OS X's Spaces virtual desktop feature -- OS X on one desktop and Windows on another desktop. Of course, you can always pause a virtual machine, too, which means having Windows on-call when you need it doesn't need to be chewing up CPU time in the background.
http://apcmag.com/images/os-x-spaces-plus-virtualization.jpg

5. Easier to troubleshoot Macs.
It's usually pretty easy to figure out what's going wrong with a Mac. There are three applications that help you and are all in one place and easy to find in the Applications/Utilities folder:
http://apcmag.com/images/troubleshooting-apps.jpg

Last but not least... a true Command Line Interface (CLI). Sure windows has a "Command Prompt" but what control does it honestly give over your computer if Windows "Command Prompt" has to be run in its own simulated environment?
1. Mwh? Windows can suspend/resume just fine, and if I particularly cared (read: didn't have four year old hard drives and RAM) I imagine it'd be near-instant.

2. Again, four year old budget computer. 45 second boot, 15s of which is POST. A current-gen PC would probably cut this to something comparable to a macbook pro, or I could put a sensibly priced SSD in it and do it miles faster.

3. lololololololol. What you pay for and what you get in a Mac are vastly disparate, and Apple don't even offer sensible choices. Want an i5-2500k, which is pound-for-pound the best CPU in the universe as of this moment? Too bad? Want a graphics card that will deal with serious CAD or gaming? You're blacksmithed unless you get a Mac Pro, which is even more stupidly expensive because Apple only sells them with dual-socket motherboards and server chips. 6GB memory will set you back £180 (i.e. >3 times the market rate), a 2TB hard drive will cost you more than most 3TB drives, an SSD carries a three-figure markup (and bear in mind these are NOT sandforce drives), Nvidia graphics cards and the most recent AMD offerings aren't even available, and to top it all you can't really expand with third-party components because the drivers to do so don't exist.

4. I fail to see how having two operating systems is an advantage to me unless I needed OSX for compatibility purposes or wanted to use it, neither of which is the case. And multiple desktops on Windows are doable if you feel you need one.

5. No it isn't. Those tools fix only the simplest of problems, and good luck with anything hardware-related because you can't open the flipping thing up to have a look.

6. There's nothing wrong with the Windows shell, it can perform pretty much anything you require of it. Power Shell is probably the most powerful command-line system tool in existence.

Hax
09-10-2011, 09:13 AM
http://i26.lulzimg.com/d723b9.png



And let's not forget how OSX doesn't support hardware for ****, which is why you can't install osx on non-mac builds.

shynshyl
09-10-2011, 09:38 AM
http://i.imgur.com/hACsJ.jpg

That's for you OP. A bit dated but I think it explains everything YawningAngel said about point 3 better.

Gohka
09-10-2011, 06:24 PM
I buy my computer based on how well it sleeps.

Sillyboy
09-10-2011, 10:42 PM
1. Reliable sleep mode

2. Extremely fast boot times

3. Apple uses good quality parts.

4. OS X + Windows is better than just Windows

5. Easier to troubleshoot Macs.

1) really not a big deal
2) also not a big deal...i rarely even turn my computer off
3) apple uses the same ****ing parts as anyone else, you're stupid if you think otherwise
4) Opinion
5) Basically saying, when it breaks, we can fix it. I'd rather it didnt break

And so these five "features" now make the computer cost LITERALLY four times more for the same parts.

Apostate
09-11-2011, 03:01 AM
Here's my take:

If you are simply interested in bang for your buck, Windows are better computers. Simply put. The performance to actual cost is much better across the board. However, cost and performance is just a tiny part of purchasing any product. These "Cost" arguments mainly fly among college students and younger because we don't have any money, but out in the real world it's different. After a certain point you pay for status and image, not for performance. A Mac looks sleek, sexy, and presents the image that you are a professional with money.

I prefer Windows. I really do. But if you care about image you either make damn well sure your Windows looks nice or you just buy a Mac. For a wealthy businessman whose time is worth too much to do all that ****, a Mac is a better option. I mean, sure. My Windows looks fantastic. But I didn't walk into a store in thirty minutes to get this. I researched for the best monitor and best performance I could find, found the best case for my tower, and then spent hours customizing my desktop. I could have just bought a Mac for a similar visual effect, if I had had the money and the desire.

Compare steel to gold. Steel is better for everything, besides perhaps melting down which gold does much better and at lower temperatures. Yet gold costs more, much, much more. Obviously with gold you have other factors such as scarcity and so on, but the analogy still serves a purpose to explain my point.

Now we can all stop arguing and just accept. For the average person the only relevant difference between the two is image and how using the computer feels. To a layman, these two factors have proven to be worth enough for Macs to sell for far more than PCs. Bang for buck arguments simply don't apply because that's not the point of Mac. It's not the military, it's the social world of culture and image.

Quest1200
09-11-2011, 03:16 AM
I like windows more, and I dont want to spend more money on something I like less

problem officer?

ACTUALLY Numerio, u are DEAD wrong, mac and PC are hand in hand around the same price, i paid 2400$ for my macbook pro 15" (Top of the line) and spend 3100$ on my Alienware (I will remind you this is a PC!!!!) 15.5" top of the line for gaming, i prefer my mac for work cause it is simple and i dont have to mess around with bull$h1t virus's However the macs cant sustain the amount of graphics and ram i need for my higher end games (It has no problem running WOW when i used to play)

So as an owner of both, and if u cant agree then GTFO u donkey, Price cant be an argument, and on a level playing ground they run about the same, i find mac faster when i'm multi tasking, and my PC can play the games i like with top notch quality and i dont have to worry about much becuase thats all i use it for, if i used it for more i would run the very very high risk of virus's.

Let me just say this, i was looking at a PC tower that ran for 7.4K!!! So dont EVER say PC are cheaper, its the components u buy that make it the cost, not the f**king apple.

Sod off

Mondok94
09-11-2011, 03:16 AM
Here's my take:

If you are simply interested in bang for your buck, Windows are better computers. Simply put. The performance to actual cost is much better across the board. However, cost and performance is just a tiny part of purchasing any product. These "Cost" arguments mainly fly among college students and younger because we don't have any money, but out in the real world it's different. After a certain point you pay for status and image, not for performance. A Mac looks sleek, sexy, and presents the image that you are a professional with money.

I prefer Windows. I really do. But if you care about image you either make damn well sure your Windows looks nice or you just buy a Mac. For a wealthy businessman whose time is worth too much to do all that ****, a Mac is a better option. I mean, sure. My Windows looks fantastic. But I didn't walk into a store in thirty minutes to get this. I researched for the best monitor and best performance I could find, found the best case for my tower, and then spent hours customizing my desktop. I could have just bought a Mac for a similar visual effect, if I had had the money and the desire.

Compare steel to gold. Steel is better for everything, besides perhaps melting down which gold does much better and at lower temperatures. Yet gold costs more, much, much more. Obviously with gold you have other factors such as scarcity and so on, but the analogy still serves a purpose to explain my point.

Now we can all stop arguing and just accept. For the average person the only relevant difference between the two is image and how using the computer feels. To a layman, these two factors have proven to be worth enough for Macs to sell for far more than PCs. Bang for buck arguments simply don't apply because that's not the point of Mac. It's not the military, it's the social world of culture and image.

Finally, someone who actually understands, that then, it isn't the while for it, but when it is? Haha, yes.

Quest1200
09-11-2011, 03:21 AM
Here's my take:

Compare steel to gold. Steel is better for everything, besides perhaps melting down which gold does much better and at lower temperatures. Yet gold costs more, much, much more. Obviously with gold you have other factors such as scarcity and so on, but the analogy still serves a purpose to explain my point.


Never ever do this in an essay, u will lose ur readers. and make sense, dont just throw some random crap in and hope it sounds good, cause chances r it doesnt look as nice on paper as it did in ur head. and read my above post, u too need to know what ur debating. its sad.

Apostate
09-11-2011, 03:27 AM
Never ever do this in an essay, u will lose ur readers. and make sense, dont just throw some random crap in and hope it sounds good, cause chances r it doesnt look as nice on paper as it did in ur head. and read my above post, u too need to know what ur debating. its sad.

I graduated college with flying colors for my essays, thank you very much. I don't need your advice on the subject. Your nonresponse to what I said seems to indicate that it either flew over your head or you couldn't think of a response.

Not that I think of it as an argument. It's not an issue I concern myself with at all, and I'm a PC user anyways. I just think poor students completely miss the point when they just argue specs.

Lethe
09-11-2011, 03:30 AM
Apostate being philosophical as usual -_-

He's right, although I don't consider a macbook a sign of wealth or prestige, not even close. We all know how common Iphones are. Granted macbooks aren't as common, but it's getting there. People in my age demographic (19-24) can brag about 'wealth' when they can afford luxury watches, buy cars valued at at least over 20k CAD and still be debt free.

I think a pretty key difference here is that on a gaming forum, you can expect people to know a thing or two about technology, and the 'status' of owning a mac do not outweigh the cost. There are many ways people can show off their wealth, but eventually there is a line between practicality and functionality. I myself have spent ~ $1200 on an Invicta 6530, an Invicta 4842 and an automatic Movado Museum (entry level Swiss watches). On the other hand I've been doing some car shopping lately and I'll probably choose practicality (like a 2012 Hyundai Accent or Kia Optima) over something like a 2002 Lexus SC430.

That's why I feel that the 'status' argument is incredibly flawed. Everyone has different ideas of how to show wealth, and especially to tech-savvy people, Macbooks are generally not a good demonstration of that.

Quest1200
09-11-2011, 03:32 AM
I graduated college with flying colors for my essays, thank you very much. I don't need your advice on the subject. Your nonresponse to what I said seems to indicate that it either flew over your head or you couldn't think of a response.

Not that I think of it as an argument. It's not an issue I concern myself with at all, and I'm a PC user anyways. I just think poor students completely miss the point when they just argue specs.

Once again, unlike ur gold philosophy and some rubbish about how gold is nice and blah blah, i have both a pc and mac. But if u read 90% of all arguments that PC owners have is that Macs are costly, and PC's arnt, which is wrong.

Nothing went over my head, u wil find below ur banter that i had a nicer way of putting it, without all the page fillers u had.

Anyways im sure u did great in school, and ur super happy u can play on ur PC, and i bet u love gold and copper, or whatever. when u can debate let me and the adults know. until then keep on ur crack pipe and feed the world on ur gold theories.

-Scrub-

Apostate
09-11-2011, 03:47 AM
Apostate being philosophical as usual -_-

He's right, although I don't consider a macbook a sign of wealth or prestige, not even close. We all know how common Iphones are. Granted macbooks aren't as common, but it's getting there. People in my age demographic (19-24) can brag about 'wealth' when they can afford luxury watches, buy cars valued at at least over 20k CAD and still be debt free.

I think a pretty key difference here is that on a gaming forum, you can expect people to know a thing or two about technology, and the 'status' of owning a mac do not outweigh the cost. There are many ways people can show off their wealth, but eventually there is a line between practicality and functionality. I myself have spent ~ $1200 on an Invicta 6530, an Invicta 4842 and an automatic Movado Museum (entry level Swiss watches). On the other hand I've been doing some car shopping lately and I'll probably choose practicality (like a 2012 Hyundai Accent or Kia Optima) over something like a 2002 Lexus SC430.

That's why I feel that the 'status' argument is incredibly flawed. Everyone has different ideas of how to show wealth, and especially to tech-savvy people, Macbooks are generally not a good demonstration of that.


As always. :blac:

I think that certain circles have different ways of measuring status. To you my 3.55Ghz Quadcore sounds really impressive, but to the rest of the world it just sounds like a nerdgasm. The same is true in most fields. Those closest to things appreciate quality more than appearance. That's a different sort of status for a different type of audience.

I think a more accurate statement is not that the status argument is flawed, but that it is not universally applicable. Concede that and we agree :)

Quest 1200 verified for troll. Wasting no more energy replying

MichaelBurge
09-11-2011, 04:19 AM
Macintoshes are great for software development. I used this argument before in the other thread, but if you're a professional even spending $5000 on a computer really isn't that much in the grand scheme of things. If you talk to professionals in circuit design, or software development, or anything where the focus isn't on the computer but on getting things done, Macintoshes really aren't expensive at all. :poll:

If I wanted to use Windows as my platform of choice, it would cost me $12,000 for a Visual Studio license alone (http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/en_US/pd/productID.216637300/parentCategoryID.50804600/categoryID.50804700/list.true). Let's not consider a Resharper license, or licensing all the different SDKs and tools I want. :moon:

Yeah, Macintosh computers are overpriced pieces of hardware. But they're a great development platform, the development tools work wonderfully and don't cost an arm-and-a-leg(they're free!), and Apple gives great support. :poll:

And yes, Linux is even cheaper and I use it all the time. But I certainly don't judge Macintosh users poorly just because they prefer that environment - what's a few thousand dollars if you get a great development platform that helps you get things done? :fors:

I'm using Windows 7 on this computer right now because I wanted to try out the new OS that everyone was talking about - but even when I'm writing Windows software I do the actual work in a virtual machine. I simply can't get anything done in Windows - it's not designed to be a productive environment, it's designed to be "simple". :fors:

Apostate
09-11-2011, 04:28 AM
Macintoshes are great for software development. I used this argument before in the other thread, but if you're a professional even spending $5000 on a computer really isn't that much in the grand scheme of things. If you talk to professionals in circuit design, or software development, or anything where the focus isn't on the computer but on getting things done, Macintoshes really aren't expensive at all. :poll:

If I wanted to use Windows as my platform of choice, it would cost me $12,000 for a Visual Studio license alone (http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/en_US/pd/productID.216637300/parentCategoryID.50804600/categoryID.50804700/list.true). Let's not consider a Resharper license, or licensing all the different SDKs and tools I want. :moon:

Yeah, Macintosh computers are overpriced pieces of hardware. But they're a great development platform, the development tools work wonderfully and don't cost an arm-and-a-leg(they're free!), and Apple gives great support. :poll:

And yes, Linux is even cheaper and I use it all the time. But I certainly don't judge Macintosh users poorly just because they prefer that environment - what's a few thousand dollars if you get a great development platform that helps you get things done? :fors:

I'm using Windows 7 on this computer right now because I wanted to try out the new OS that everyone was talking about - but even when I'm writing Windows software I do the actual work in a virtual machine. I simply can't get anything done in Windows - it's not designed to be a productive environment, it's designed to be "simple". :fors:

Please explain. My dad is a graphic designer and we had this discussion. He used your explanation but he worded it terribly and didn't go into detail.

So what you're saying is that on a Mac buying the software developmental software costs less, so that it outweighs the cost of the computer? Could you explain in more detail how it is better? I've been wanting to hear a good explanation of why this is, I've never understood it.

MichaelBurge
09-11-2011, 05:01 AM
Please explain. My dad is a graphic designer and we had this discussion. He used your explanation but he worded it terribly and didn't go into detail.

So what you're saying is that on a Mac buying the software developmental software costs less, so that it outweighs the cost of the computer? Could you explain in more detail how it is better? I've been wanting to hear a good explanation of why this is, I've never understood it.

To be honest, I don't use a Macintosh - I use Linux. But this complaint is what I can look at: "Windows is perfectly easy to use, why should I bother switching to Linux?" I assume that Macintosh users have their own reasons for preferring the environment - but my argument isn't just that Macintosh computers are cheaper(even though they are); my argument is that a couple thousand dollars for your development tools really shouldn't matter if the tools actually help you get things done. :fors:

I'd pay $500 for a Linux license if it was the only possible way I could get the environment. And luckily for you there's an easy way to get a taste of how much more productive it is: :soulr:

Download emacs for Windows (http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/index.html)

Spend a week learning to use emacs, write a small 20-page novel using Org-mode (http://orgmode.org/) with it, and compare it to something like Microsoft Office. You can do literally *everything* from the keyboard in emacs, and I would compare the difference to being able to hunt-and-peck at a reasonable rate and being able to touch-type. :empa:

Honestly, nobody can *tell* you why their OS is more productive. After all, the hunt-and-peck'er can do a pretty good job if he knows *exactly* what he's typing and doesn't make *any* mistakes or do any backtracking. You have to use the environment to see why everything flows so much more smoothly. :moon:

YawningAngel
09-11-2011, 06:27 AM
ACTUALLY Numerio, u are DEAD wrong, mac and PC are hand in hand around the same price, i paid 2400$ for my macbook pro 15" (Top of the line) and spend 3100$ on my Alienware (I will remind you this is a PC!!!!) 15.5" top of the line for gaming, i prefer my mac for work cause it is simple and i dont have to mess around with bull$h1t virus's However the macs cant sustain the amount of graphics and ram i need for my higher end games (It has no problem running WOW when i used to play)

So as an owner of both, and if u cant agree then GTFO u donkey, Price cant be an argument, and on a level playing ground they run about the same, i find mac faster when i'm multi tasking, and my PC can play the games i like with top notch quality and i dont have to worry about much becuase thats all i use it for, if i used it for more i would run the very very high risk of virus's.

Let me just say this, i was looking at a PC tower that ran for 7.4K!!! So dont EVER say PC are cheaper, its the components u buy that make it the cost, not the f**king apple.

Sod off
Well that's just plain stupid. Just because you can be overcharged for a PC doesn't mean you aren't being overcharged for a mac.

YawningAngel
09-11-2011, 06:28 AM
Burge is also correct to note that Visual Studio costs far more than a Mac.

`Pugna
09-11-2011, 06:30 AM
Damn, kid is buying alienware and then complains about overpriced stuff..

Man, are americans REALLY that stupid? Im not kidding, most of them know NOTHING about the stuff they talk about o.ô

LegoPirate
09-11-2011, 06:33 AM
video game forums. they'll let any wanna-be nerd with a computer post on here these days.

JellyFishJay
09-11-2011, 09:54 AM
Just a few things for many posts I read through this thread.

A) Dear uneducated 12 year old children,
PC = Personal Computer
MAC = Media Access Control

B) I hate League of Legends with a passion, but a vast majority of zombie consumer noobs still play it, even when the community's skill level resembles that of a steroid shrunk testicle.

Colossians 3:13
Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.

C) Please don't bring alienware into this. That is just like going and paying $10 for a domain name and spending 20 minutes in notepad to create index.html that states I am selling macbook pro's with an 'I SUPPORT JELLYFISHJAY' Sticker for $9000.00 and then let the entire Microsoft community rip Macintosh users to shreds.

And on a side note, OS X costs $29.99 last time I checked, how do you justify the other 60% of the total price?

I LYK MACZ SO I DUN CARE IF THERE IS A PREMIUM, DEY R WURF IT!?

Lethe
09-11-2011, 12:17 PM
I think a more accurate statement is not that the status argument is flawed, but that it is not universally applicable. Concede that and we agree :)



Yea I can concede that. Good stuff.

Jonathan
09-11-2011, 05:08 PM
I don't know why people argue about which is better. If you buy your pc and it costs less for better parts, then be happy you paid less than a mac user, if you buy a mac and you get a good image be happy you paid more, don't go forcing your opinions on others.
(my opinion:mac sucks)
ps: why do you need visual studio when GCC is free for all platforms

MichaelBurge
09-11-2011, 05:34 PM
ps: why do you need visual studio when GCC is free for all platforms

Microsoft's command-line compilers are free to use. :moon:

Jonathan
09-11-2011, 05:48 PM
then make that "why do you need visual studio?"
i'm not a hardcore programmer but code::blocks does everything I need..

MichaelBurge
09-12-2011, 01:14 AM
then make that "why do you need visual studio?"
i'm not a hardcore programmer but code::blocks does everything I need..

C++ has a few other tools too on Windows actually, but I'm talking about professional development not hobbyist. If you're not a professional, my argument doesn't apply to you - feel free to hack together whatever you want on your own time without paying money for a good environment. :fors:

Jonathan
09-12-2011, 07:39 AM
but what makes visual studio a 'better' enviroment? I'm curious to know

Calloniel
09-12-2011, 08:06 AM
I still don't see how people see white as a design, but yes, even I, the mighty Leyst have been tempted to buy a Macbook, after trying my older brothers iMac I must admit I quite liked it, but it just didn't have the same feel as my Windows 7.

But to be fair, I am already an applewhore, I use my iPhone, iPad and iPod daily :balp:

Kelebek
09-12-2011, 08:11 AM
OP doesn't understand that Macs are coded from the base up for very specific sets of hardware. Hey OP, why aren't emulators super amazingly fast on PC when all the hardware is much better than the consoles? DURR DURR DURR HURR.

Hey OP, how about buying a new graphics card for your Mac so you can play newer games? Owait, you can do neither of those things.

http://wiki.dandascalescu.com/essays/why_i_hate_macs.attachment/26/view

Calloniel
09-12-2011, 08:13 AM
Kelebek confirmed for ignorant :devo:

Dixynormus
09-12-2011, 08:37 AM
I have Asus Fast boot, boots up in no time and if my pc is off and I need to use the internet I just use the express gate and that loads up instantly to search a web page then be gone! or I could skype without actually having to boot up windows!. And I know I spent less for my beast of a Machine then I would have with a Mac... not saying I have a problem with Mac's I just don't believe in spending that much.
Problem?

Sauron`
09-12-2011, 08:53 AM
but what makes visual studio a 'better' enviroment? I'm curious to know
Trust me....most professional Programmers use Visual Studio. it's just the best IDE to use. (Well for C/C#/C++ Anyways). Without going into details VS is just a really great IDE and although people will not want to use it because it's M$ they did a really good job with it.

Also.....seriously another Mac vs PC Argument....sigh.
I have a better argument, how about anyone that loves Macs give me a reason why I should buy a Mac over Windows knowing:
1. A Custom Built PC is cheaper and easier to maintain (and probably more reliable)
2. Windows has never given me a single issue

If you can answer me that...then by all means go ahead. Also "to fit in" or "be trendy" is not an acceptable answer.

MichaelBurge
09-12-2011, 05:39 PM
2. Windows has never given me a single issue

I already explained why that's not going to be a productive point to argue. A hunt-and-peck typist "never has a single issue" with his keyboard, yet there are still benefits to learning to touch-type Dvorak.

Similarly, you might "never have a single issue" manually clicking through the HoN shop to buy your items, yet these crazy people on the forums claim that learning the hotkeys really helps.


it's just the best IDE to use.

It's the best IDE to use, but not necessarily the best way to develop software. I used to swear by Visual Studio, but prefer a Linux toolchain nowadays.

But again, I don't judge you for using a different evironment - the point is that the thousand dollars for a Macintosh is nothing in the grand scheme of things, and if it helps a professional get his job done better it's a worthwhile investment. Not everyone likes a Windows + Visual Studio toolchain, and it's the *only* real choice on Windows(except for maybe C or C++) - if you want anything else, you might as well throw the entire OS out.

Sauron`
09-12-2011, 07:10 PM
I already explained why that's not going to be a productive point to argue. A hunt-and-peck typist "never has a single issue" with his keyboard, yet there are still benefits to learning to touch-type Dvorak.

Similarly, you might "never have a single issue" manually clicking through the HoN shop to buy your items, yet these crazy people on the forums claim that learning the hotkeys really helps.



It's the best IDE to use, but not necessarily the best way to develop software. I used to swear by Visual Studio, but prefer a Linux toolchain nowadays.

But again, I don't judge you for using a different evironment - the point is that the thousand dollars for a Macintosh is nothing in the grand scheme of things, and if it helps a professional get his job done better it's a worthwhile investment. Not everyone likes a Windows + Visual Studio toolchain, and it's the *only* real choice on Windows(except for maybe C or C++) - if you want anything else, you might as well throw the entire OS out.

The beginning part wasn't me trying to argue, in fact I was trying to take the other route: For someone to give ME a reason I should get a Mac, which was my point entirely.

Lethe
09-12-2011, 07:29 PM
First day of 4th year today.

Every professor was using a MBP. If that wasn't enough, a lot more students (% wise compared to previous years) were using a MBP.

So I have to agree again with Apostate that they are kind of a 'status' symbol, although with that being said they are something that technically inclined people are less likely to look upon favorably.

Apostate
09-12-2011, 07:34 PM
The beginning part wasn't me trying to argue, in fact I was trying to take the other route: For someone to give ME a reason I should get a Mac, which was my point entirely.

It sounds like Windows caters to your needs more than Mac does. This isn't about "which should i get?", it's about "which is better?". Which should I get is a very easy question, whereas which is better is a much more complicated answer. We are discussing advantages that Macs DO have.

TaeYeon
09-12-2011, 07:51 PM
Kelebek your first two sentences is basically saying you accepted the argument of Macs being faster with the same hardware ... only in a negative way! Please think twice before you act. Of course it's an advantage that the OS is built for a specific set of hardware, but that's still an advantage, no matter how you twist it to make it look silly. Handling both the hardware and the software is one of Apple's big selling points, and only positive depending on how you look at it of course.

Also @Hax (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=14279830&postcount=55)
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1867/pcuser.jpg
Good think us humans have different opinions, huh? :)

LegoPirate
09-12-2011, 07:53 PM
and this thread just went from civil to trashcan in one post

Sauron`
09-12-2011, 07:54 PM
It sounds like Windows caters to your needs more than Mac does. This isn't about "which should i get?", it's about "which is better?". Which should I get is a very easy question, whereas which is better is a much more complicated answer. We are discussing advantages that Macs DO have.
Well if we are talking about advantages:
-They look better (Generally)
-Pretty Stable
-Easy to Use

Everything else is purely opinion

Im not denying those....but is it worth the cost?...to most people I don't think so, but to some I suppose it is.

I think that's the simplest explanation there can be.

TaeYeon
09-12-2011, 07:59 PM
and this thread just went from civil to trashcan in one post

Isn't that pretty rude to say? Your post certainly doesn't add to a "civil" discussion at all.

Edit: Not that this thread was anything at all but trash when the OP is a troll and all those silly images posted.

Apostate
09-12-2011, 08:11 PM
Well if we are talking about advantages:
-They look better (Generally)
-Pretty Stable
-Easy to Use

Everything else is purely opinion

Im not denying those....but is it worth the cost?...to most people I don't think so, but to some I suppose it is.

I think that's the simplest explanation there can be.

I think that's an honest assessment. /thread :)

Coolcollo
09-12-2011, 08:22 PM
and this thread just went from civil to trashcan in one post

My thoughts exactly friend.

XxmagiksxX
09-12-2011, 08:27 PM
LOL another one?

Pipin
09-13-2011, 06:31 AM
Leave it to a gaming forum to troll me and call me a troll for presenting valid information in a pleasant manner.

Who are the real trolls?

You are a troll for intentionally skewing and ignoring some information. You can fully customize your windows desktop. You can go as far that people wont even recognize it as a windows desktop. The only things i need for it is rainmeter and rocketdock and bam amazing dekstop.

Pcs unrealiable? Not really, its like saying a highly complicated maschine is unreliable because not everyone can use it. PCs are very reliable for everyone who knows how to properly use them. With my own PC that boots up under 25 seconds i have not had any problems. Also why would you want to ignore linux? Lets say we ignore OS X then, oh snap apple pcs cant run then.


But yea the only things i can agree on is apple computers are better for people new to PC technology as its harder to break stuff on them.
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Thats it, looks are purely opinion

Also pcs dont eat nearly as much power as you might think if they are running 24/7 and are going into sleep mode.

Good quality hardware? And there i tought apple uses the same hardware as people do in their pcs... only that they charge more... oh wait they do.

The better keyboards etc is again a matter of taste. I do agree some of their keyboards are of better quality but the price you have to pay for it is not acceptable for me. Apple pcs are still just non customizable pcs.

Hax
09-13-2011, 07:32 AM
Kelebek your first two sentences is basically saying you accepted the argument of Macs being faster with the same hardware ... only in a negative way! Please think twice before you act. Of course it's an advantage that the OS is built for a specific set of hardware, but that's still an advantage, no matter how you twist it to make it look silly. Handling both the hardware and the software is one of Apple's big selling points, and only positive depending on how you look at it of course.

Also @Hax (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=14279830&postcount=55)
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1867/pcuser.jpg
Good think us humans have different opinions, huh? :)

I guess that leads us back to this?
http://d3uwin5q170wpc.cloudfront.net/photo/16961_700b.jpg