‘You mad bro?’ racist?

[Naib]

ONLY in america

http://www.digitaltrends.com/web/you-mad-bro-meme-stirs-racial-tension-at-ohio-football-game/

and tv broadcast
http://www.fox8.com/videogallery/64473407/News/Controversial-Sign
http://cdn2.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/you-mad-bro-625x416.png

[Bobble]

I supposed the article called for it.

I guess they mad.

[Octavia]

u mirin?

[Hat_Truck]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that's awesome!

[LonelyQueen]

good read
i lol'd a bit

[Thysios]

Love the top comments on the YouTube video.


If you spell 'bro' backward, it says 'nigga'

Successful trolls are successful.

Made me laugh.

[Aizen`]

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2011/09/04/square-enix-racist-to-blacks/

Blacks are so sensitive, frekin pussies. If everyone is a racist, no one is.

[Tyrando]

Americans

that is all

[Coolcollo]

AMERICA, **** YEAH (as it is commonly known that I am fed up with many things in this country. Someone steal me away. Preferably a female hottie).

[Blet`]

Saw it yesterday on DRD.

****ing hilariousxD

[Thear22]

GG
why are blackpeople offended so fast? because the report said they used it more times then 1

[Leyst]

It's funny isn't it? Anti-racist has started meaning anti-white.

example one: starting a football team for only coloured people = awesome!
Starting one for only white people = RACISM!?!!!! OMG SUE THEM RACISTS! THEY ARE RUINING OUR RIGHTS!

[Aizen`]

It's funny isn't it? Anti-racist has started meaning anti-white.

example one: starting a football team for only coloured people = awesome!
Starting one for only white people = RACISM!?!!!! OMG SUE THEM RACISTS! THEY ARE RUINING OUR RIGHTS!

You're right.


How many are actually paying attention to this?

There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, Native Americans, etc.
And then there are just Americans

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You Call me White boy, Cracker, Honkey, Whitey, Caveman. And that's OK.

But when I call you, ******, Towel head, Sand-******, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink...
You call me a racist.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi You have the NAACP. You have BET.

If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) — We'd be racists.

If we had a White Pride Day — You would call us racists.

If we had White History Month — We'd be racists.

If we had any organization for only whites to "advance OUR lives" — You would call us racists.

We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.
Wonder who pays for that?

If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships You know we'd be racists.

There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US , yet if there were a "White college" THAT would be a racist college.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching For your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights,
You would call us racists.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're Not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride.
You call us racists.

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer Shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society. You call him a racist.
I am proud and white.
But, you call me a racist.

Ever wonder...
Why is it that only whites can be racists?

[willdaBEAST]

You're right.

You're Swedish, so I don't think you understand the context any of the references made in that long quote about various American organizations. Pretty much every minority in America (including sub-groups of white people like the Irish and Italians) suffered from systemic racism, or in other words, the government oppressed them in blatantly racist ways. Creating an organization to try to correct that isn't truly fixing the problem, but it's better than nothing and often more realistic than trying to change the entire system. I'd much rather have an African American only scholarship fund than an affirmative action system that weighs test scores radically differently based on race. Also, it's pure ignorance to claim that crime has something to do with race. Look at any ghetto anywhere around the world and you'll see the same exact thing, desperate, uneducated and impoverished people committing crimes.

I don't know the full story, but I think it's kind of naive to assume that only black people connected with the high school team were the ones screaming racism. Guilt ridden white people declare things racist for other ethnicities all the time.

[xCTBxMav]

It's a sad day to be American :(

[Octavia]

Morgan Freeman's viewpoint is very agreeable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s

You don't solve racism by catering to the minorities, you solve it by not thinking about it. It's pathetic that they're considering the punishment based on if the banner was intended to be racist or not. Here's what the poster was trying to do: antagonise. Is the antagonisation okay as long as you don't use racist terms when you're doing it? Whether or not it was trying to be racist shouldn't even matter.

There's the same issue with feminism and atheism as well. You don't fight oppression with more oppression, because you lose all right to sympathy when you do.

[Hat_Truck]

You're Swedish, so I don't think you understand the context any of the references made in that long quote about various American organizations. Pretty much every minority in America (including sub-groups of white people like the Irish and Italians) suffered from systemic racism, or in other words, the government oppressed them in blatantly racist ways. Creating an organization to try to correct that isn't truly fixing the problem, but it's better than nothing and often more realistic than trying to change the entire system. I'd much rather have an African American only scholarship fund than an affirmative action system that weighs test scores radically differently based on race. Also, it's pure ignorance to claim that crime has something to do with race. Look at any ghetto anywhere around the world and you'll see the same exact thing, desperate, uneducated and impoverished people committing crimes.

I don't know the full story, but I think it's kind of naive to assume that only black people connected with the high school team were the ones screaming racism. Guilt ridden white people declare things racist for other ethnicities all the time.
I'm sorry, but this is a load of garbage. Sure, Americans had slavery for awhile, but as I recall many of us also fought against slavery in the Civil War and after. No country is perfect, EVERYBODY is going to treat races other than themselves differently. Many countries in Asia are practically mono-ethnic because they aren't comfortable with different cultures and/or groups of people, and subtly shun them to keep it that way. America has never been worse than any other country in terms of the way we treat other races. If anything, by opening our borders for hundreds of years and letting people of all ethnicities join our community, we've been kinder than the norm. We are called the melting pot after all. Yes we had slavery, but we got rid of it, now get over it. If Martin Luther King came back today and saw what the majority of black folk have done with their "freedom", he would go right back into the grave. To say that there are white people that are "guilt ridden" about what happened over 100 years ago is naive at best, ridiculous at worst. We have absolutely no reason to feel bad about what happened so long ago. This entire thing has been blown out of proportion, just like any incident in America where somebody can scream "Racism" and get a ton of media attention and sympathy from the average American retard sheep. We've been conditioned to be politically correct to a sickening degree which I personally find disgusting, and take every chance I get to offend people around here whenever possible, especially over things that they have no right to be offended over. And for the record, I hope you're offended by that.

Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s

/thread

[eRasus]

they mad

[Ragnea]

lmao good read

[willdaBEAST]

I'm sorry, but this is a load of garbage. Sure, Americans had slavery for awhile, but as I recall many of us also fought against slavery in the Civil War and after. No country is perfect, EVERYBODY is going to treat races other than themselves differently. Many countries in Asia are practically mono-ethnic because they aren't comfortable with different cultures and/or groups of people, and subtly shun them to keep it that way. America has never been worse than any other country in terms of the way we treat other races. If anything, by opening our borders for hundreds of years and letting people of all ethnicities join our community, we've been kinder than the norm. We are called the melting pot after all. Yes we had slavery, but we got rid of it, now get over it. If Martin Luther King came back today and saw what the majority of black folk have done with their "freedom", he would go right back into the grave. To say that there are white people that are "guilt ridden" about what happened over 100 years ago is naive at best, ridiculous at worst. We have absolutely no reason to feel bad about what happened so long ago. This entire thing has been blown out of proportion, just like any incident in America where somebody can scream "Racism" and get a ton of media attention and sympathy from the average American retard sheep. We've been conditioned to be politically correct to a sickening degree which I personally find disgusting, and take every chance I get to offend people around here whenever possible, especially over things that they have no right to be offended over. And for the record, I hope you're offended by that.

Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s

/thread

I don't think you read anything I wrote. I didn't even bring up slavery, or remotely focus on black people as a key example of systemic racism. Not being able to sit in the front of a bus or drinking the same water as white people is something that happened very recently, so don't feed me the same old story about slavery being the only grievance that black people can bring up. Again, as I already said, systemic racism is not unique to only black people; native americans, hispanics, asians, italians and the irish all were targeted by the US government with racist policies.

Bringing up racism in other countries is totally irrelevant and has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. I'm not trying to make a judgement call on any country, I'm just identifying some of the context that racially specific scholarships or organizations were created under. I find it funny that you complain about average American sheep, when you responded to my post with the same generic responses that everyone uses when complaining about black people complaining about racism.

The reason I mentioned guilt ridden white Americans screaming racism about something as stupid as "you mad bro?", is because I think the whole situation is ridiculous and I'm not trying to justify it. Just because I point something out, doesn't mean that I endorse it or feel the same way. My point, if you actually read what I wrote, was that it is naive to assume that ONLY black people may have been upset and made a big deal about the "you mad bro" sign.


We've been conditioned to be politically correct to a sickening degree which I personally find disgusting, and take every chance I get to offend people around here whenever possible, especially over things that they have no right to be offended over. And for the record, I hope you're offended by that. Get over yourself.

[Emiya]

I'm sorry, but this is a load of garbage. Sure, Americans had slavery for awhile, but as I recall many of us also fought against slavery in the Civil War and after. No country is perfect, EVERYBODY is going to treat races other than themselves differently. Many countries in Asia are practically mono-ethnic because they aren't comfortable with different cultures and/or groups of people, and subtly shun them to keep it that way. America has never been worse than any other country in terms of the way we treat other races. If anything, by opening our borders for hundreds of years and letting people of all ethnicities join our community, we've been kinder than the norm. We are called the melting pot after all. Yes we had slavery, but we got rid of it, now get over it. If Martin Luther King came back today and saw what the majority of black folk have done with their "freedom", he would go right back into the grave. To say that there are white people that are "guilt ridden" about what happened over 100 years ago is naive at best, ridiculous at worst. We have absolutely no reason to feel bad about what happened so long ago. This entire thing has been blown out of proportion, just like any incident in America where somebody can scream "Racism" and get a ton of media attention and sympathy from the average American retard sheep. We've been conditioned to be politically correct to a sickening degree which I personally find disgusting, and take every chance I get to offend people around here whenever possible, especially over things that they have no right to be offended over. And for the record, I hope you're offended by that.

Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s

/thread

Surely there's no studies that show minorities are less likely to be successful simply because of their race and upbringing! Those organizations helping minorities out, pure racism!

There was absolutely nothing wrong with what wildabeast said and your little rant was extremely childish and shows a deep disregard for the impact on black people for generations caused not only by slavery, but jim crow laws and generational poverty.


Morgan Freeman's viewpoint is very agreeable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s

You don't solve racism by catering to the minorities, you solve it by not thinking about it. It's pathetic that they're considering the punishment based on if the banner was intended to be racist or not. Here's what the poster was trying to do: antagonise. Is the antagonisation okay as long as you don't use racist terms when you're doing it? Whether or not it was trying to be racist shouldn't even matter.

There's the same issue with feminism and atheism as well. You don't fight oppression with more oppression, because you lose all right to sympathy when you do.
Well, no, the action shouldn't be judged purely on racism, but surely racism should rightfully be frowned upon in society and not just 'ignored'. Morgan Freeman's stance seems to be to avoid dwelling on past racism, not just ignore current and real racism (not relevant to OP since that wasn't racist).

I would agree that it sometimes goes too far, but I'm not sure if you're implying racism should just be completely ignored.

[JoOKie]

lmfao this is great.

[MacroHard]

How many are actually paying attention to this?

There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, Native Americans, etc.
And then there are just Americans

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You Call me White boy, Cracker, Honkey, Whitey, Caveman. And that's OK.

But when I call you, ******, Towel head, Sand-******, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink...
You call me a racist.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi You have the NAACP. You have BET.

If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) — We'd be racists.

If we had a White Pride Day — You would call us racists.

If we had White History Month — We'd be racists.

If we had any organization for only whites to "advance OUR lives" — You would call us racists.

We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.
Wonder who pays for that?

If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships You know we'd be racists.

There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US , yet if there were a "White college" THAT would be a racist college.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching For your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights,
You would call us racists.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're Not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride.
You call us racists.

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer Shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society. You call him a racist.
I am proud and white.
But, you call me a racist.

Ever wonder...
Why is it that only whites can be racists?

This, times 200 million.

[Beanybag]

WildaBEAST made me proud in this thread. As for the quote above.. It's about history and context and who had the power. But not sure if it's worth discussing here since people only arm themselves with anecdotal evidence and biased observations. Plus, wildebeest would probably do it better.

@macrohard: man, come on. You're smarter than that. Disappoint. :\
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[KARTlK]

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2011/09/04/square-enix-racist-to-blacks/

Blacks are so sensitive, frekin pussies. If everyone is a racist, no one is.

cant tell if troll or not

edit: yeah I've only every disagreed with will on some economic stuff. and it probably wasn't even with him. def most level headed poster on this site.

also i hate hat_truck if anyone didn't already know that. just clearing things up.

sam feel free to delete this post nbd

edit2: apparently will is against affirmative action? say whattttttttttttt. or maybe he just meant an affirmative action system that actually adds points to people of different races tests. cause that'd be pretty dumb I must admit.

[Hat_Truck]

I don't think you read anything I wrote. I didn't even bring up slavery, or remotely focus on black people as a key example of systemic racism. Not being able to sit in the front of a bus or drinking the same water as white people is something that happened very recently, so don't feed me the same old story about slavery being the only grievance that black people can bring up. Again, as I already said, systemic racism is not unique to only black people; native americans, hispanics, asians, italians and the irish all were targeted by the US government with racist policies. I don't think you read anything you wrote.


Pretty much every minority in America (including sub-groups of white people like the Irish and Italians) suffered from systemic racism, or in other words, the government oppressed them in blatantly racist ways. Creating an organization to try to correct that isn't truly fixing the problem, but it's better than nothing and often more realistic than trying to change the entire system. I'd much rather have an African American only scholarship fund than an affirmative action system that weighs test scores radically differently based on race.You make the American government out to be the villian, targetting minorities with systematic racism, then propose that "It's better to create organizations than to do nothing or to have Affirmative Action etc"., as if either of those solutions are okay. The point I was addressing in my post is that even if America has been "racist" in the past, we've also been very helpful to races across the world as well, by giving them a place to go. The reason I brought up other countries is to exercise the point that NO country has a perfect track record with racism. It was (and still is) an old-school way of thinking to reject or mistreat others because they are different than the majority, but America was not the only one doing it. HOWEVER, we seem to be the only country still caught up in the past, still making amends for something that is over. You don't see Jews in Germany getting special treatment do you? Do they scream racism every time they feel slightly mistreated? The point I'm making is that neither of your solutions is okay, and just because 1 is the lesser of 2 evils, does not make it a good decision. What you people don't seem to get is by creating these organizations and "policies" for certain races, you are simply making the racism worse, because you are exemplifying the difference between the races. If you truly want to get rid of racism, like Morgan Freeman said, stop talking about it. Stop treating different races differently, and giving them special priveleges for crimes of the past. Maybe I went on a tangent, but only because your post showed a fundamental misunderstanding about the solution to this problem.


I'm not trying to make a judgement call on any country, I'm just identifying some of the context that racially specific scholarships or organizations were created under. I find it funny that you complain about average American sheep, when you responded to my post with the same generic responses that everyone uses when complaining about black people complaining about racism.No, you weren't just identifying the context that racially specific "advantages" were created under, that would be an objective post. You subjectively said that it's "better" to do that than to do nothing or to have an AA system, when neither is acceptable, because it only makes things worse. Did you read your own post? Also, the average American doesn't complain about black people who get offended by racism, otherwise we wouldn't be in this situation, therefore your point about me is logically fallacious.


The reason I mentioned guilt ridden white Americans screaming racism about something as stupid as "you mad bro?", is because I think the whole situation is ridiculous and I'm not trying to justify it. Just because I point something out, doesn't mean that I endorse it or feel the same way. My point, if you actually read what I wrote, was that it is naive to assume that ONLY black people may have been upset and made a big deal about the "you mad bro" sign. If your post was completely objective, then I apologize for misinterpreting it. What I read is obviously significantly different than what you were trying to get across.


Surely there's no studies that show minorities are less likely to be successful simply because of their race and upbringing! Those organizations helping minorities out, pure racism!As I said, the non-dominant race of any country is going to have a tougher time than the established norm, because of natural human nature. There is no escaping that fact. The solution however, is not to emphasize the differences between the races and give the minorities unfair advantages, that just makes the problem even worse.


also i hate hat_truck if anyone didn't already know that. just clearing things up.
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[KARTlK]

"You make the American government out to be the villian, targetting minorities with systematic racism, then propose that "It's better to create organizations than to do nothing or to have Affirmative Action etc"., as if either of those solutions are okay. The point I was addressing in my post is that even if America has been "racist" in the past, we've also been very helpful to races across the world as well, by giving them a place to go."

Posts like these are what keep me up at night. Is he stupid, or is he troll. Sing those words like that Killers song "Human".

Well 10/10 for trolling and stupidity.

[Beanybag]

Why was "racist" in quotes? And why does he keep mentioning the past as if it was far off? The civil rights movement was just over 40 years ago. While I'm all for small government and equality, I think it's pretty dumb to ignore the history of abuse that many people that are still living have memories of. ****, my mom remembers when MLK died. This is not the far off past.
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[Hat_Truck]

Why was "racist" in quotes? And why does he keep mentioning the past as if it was far off? The civil rights movement was just over 40 years ago. While I'm all for small government and equality, I think it's pretty dumb to ignore the history of abuse that many people that are still living have memories of. ****, my mom remembers when MLK died. This is not the far off past.

You still don't understand the point. Martin Luther King died so that we could all be equal. How are we all equal if certain races get special education grants, organizations, months devoted to them, and many other things that seperates them from whites? That's reverse discrimination, and it isn't going to solve anything. The things that happened in the past are terrible, but reliving the past isn't going to fix it. Everybody just needs to grow up and move on, and quit jumping on the "racism" bandwagon at the drop of a hat.

[Beanybag]

You still don't understand the point. Martin Luther King died so that we could all be equal. How are we all equal if certain races get special education grants, organizations, months devoted to them, and many other things that seperates them from whites? That's reverse discrimination, and it isn't going to solve anything. The things that happened in the past are terrible, but reliving the past isn't going to fix it. Everybody just needs to grow up and move on, and quit jumping on the "racism" bandwagon at the drop of a hat.

While they were technically equal in theory, blacks were far behind in economic standing, education, and were still subject to many forms of racism (even today it exists, but not in any alarming amount IMO). While it seems reasonable, and could probably be argued, that special programs would only make the situation worse and reverse discriminate, it could also be that it was a necessary aid to help blacks recover from their economic hellhole that they would surely be in. And it may be that those special programs are no longer needed today. But without some sociological studies or articles, or some sort of professional opinion, I wouldn't rule out that the special programs were needed. And I don't think the opinion of a famous actor counts as evidence just because he's black.

So what I'm getting at is there probably is no well defined right answer, and we can agree to disagree there. I could understand an argument for cutting back the special programs as of today, but I think at the time, they were a necessary discrimination. I can't really say. It was a pretty ****ed up situation and entering the playing field with such a strong handicap didn't seem entirely fair.

I do think it borders on trolling to make this issue out to be more simple than it is, since anything that even remotely has to do with economics and sociology is a total shitstorm, generally, due to the strange nature of human psychology.
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[MichaelBurge]

The best fun (http://www.irs.gov/taxpros/article/0,,id=159932,00.html#_Toc284194025) is going up to blacks and black churches and saying, "Hey, the government has this program where they're compensating blacks for their mistreatment during slavery. I can help you file for this on your taxes, but I'll need 5-10% up front. You can get up to $40,000 back because your ancestor should've owned this land on a plantation." :empa:

You file their taxes, take the $4,000, and when the IRS rejects it as an invalid claim you're already long-gone. :empa:

:hell:


While they were technically equal in theory, blacks were far behind in economic standing, education, and were still subject to many forms of racism (even today it exists, but not in any alarming amount IMO). While it seems reasonable, and could probably be argued, that special programs would only make the situation worse and reverse discriminate, it could also be that it was a necessary aid to help blacks recover from their economic hellhole that they would surely be in. And it may be that those special programs are no longer needed today. But without some sociological studies or articles, or some sort of professional opinion, I wouldn't rule out that the special programs were needed. And I don't think the opinion of a famous actor counts as evidence just because he's black.

So what I'm getting at is there probably is no well defined right answer, and we can agree to disagree there. I could understand an argument for cutting back the special programs as of today, but I think at the time, they were a necessary discrimination. I can't really say. It was a pretty ****ed up situation and entering the playing field with such a strong handicap didn't seem entirely fair.

I do think it borders on trolling to make this issue out to be more simple than it is, since anything that even remotely has to do with economics and sociology is a total shitstorm, generally, due to the strange nature of human psychology.

I'll agree that the situation was terrible and that blacks were mistreated. But the Michael Burge way is that you get legal equality and nothing else - I don't like Affirmative Action because it legislates the way people think. What if I really do think blacks are inferior and I don't want to pay them any money? "Who are you to tell me how I should spend my money" I'd cry. :andr:

Yeah, I don't think blacks or hispanics are inherently inferior, and yes it sucks that they're starting off at a disadvantage and can't inherit the family house after a history of slavery. But I say give them their freedom and let them work it out . People will be rude and insulting, they won't get jobs at white-owned companies, etc. But government jobs will always be available, and there's nothing stopping blacks from starting their own businesses(legally). :nymp:

[Blet`]

Basically, people who live in poorer areas will be more likely to not continue their education, or get well paid jobs, and are thus more likely to turn crime / drugs.

This is true in all places of the world, both in Latin America, The US and the Eu.

But I do feel sometimes that some blacks push for segregation. Whenever someone says "It's just cause im black?" It makes me cringe.

I don't consider myself as "white man", why would anyone call themself "black man".

Sadly rascism is still pretty widespread in most countries so sadly those scholarships that willdabeast were talking about are still needed.

The best way to get rid of rascism is most likely to try eliminating the big differences in the quality of schools, hospital and other things like that.

Eductaion is too expensive in the States - so it is not really an option for many blacks.


The somewhat obvious first part of a solution is to imrpove the public schools quality.
And make higher education entirely free ( Like the UK)

This seems hard to do in the US. Because even the slightest tax raise causes an outrage.

I love the American Ideals, but I just think somewhere along you took a wrong turn.

[Hat_Truck]

You both make some really good points. And beanybag, when I said MLK wanted us to be equal, I didn't mean separate but equal, I meant truly equal, in terms of having all the legal and patriotic rights that a white person has; and don't they have that? The problem with giving them special advantages is that it makes people resent them. It's like America has become the metaphorical brother, always standing up for his black sibling. Unfortunately, you don't earn respect by letting your big brother stand up for all the time. People like MLK and Bill Cosby never would have wanted special help from the government. To truly foster pride and respect, they have to work through their disadvantages, and show people how strong they are. Of course I know it's not easy, and it's not fair, but life isn't fair. I'm just telling you the way it is. We can continue down this same path forever and nothing is going to change.


I love the American Ideals, but I just think somewhere along you took a wrong turn.
This is the understatement of the century.

[willdaBEAST]

edit2: apparently will is against affirmative action? say whattttttttttttt. or maybe he just meant an affirmative action system that actually adds points to people of different races tests. cause that'd be pretty dumb I must admit.
I'm not totally against affirmative action and it definitely does something to bridge inequality, but it's a pretty clumsy attempt to fix the problem. It doesn't address any of the causes and you could argue that it further undermines racial equality.


You don't see Jews in Germany getting special treatment do you? Do they scream racism every time they feel slightly mistreated?
Germany enacted a law to prevent people from denying the Holocaust and you're arguing that there's no special treatment? I also think this is a very faulty comparison, Jews have been persecuted for millennia, but have retained a strong cultural identity and a focus on education. Slave brought from Africa lost their cultural identity, religion, language, names and were genetically culled under a forced survival of the fittest for much longer than the duration of the Holocaust. The genetic selection still has ramifications today, as the abnormal risk of hyper-tension under descendants of slaves is likely caused by the high retention of salt to avoid dehydration, which would've been the perfect genetic trait to survive being worked to death on a plantation.


You make the American government out to be the villian, targetting minorities with systematic racism, then propose that "It's better to create organizations than to do nothing or to have Affirmative Action etc"., as if either of those solutions are okay. The point I was addressing in my post is that even if America has been "racist" in the past, we've also been very helpful to races across the world as well, by giving them a place to go. The reason I brought up other countries is to exercise the point that NO country has a perfect track record with racism. It was (and still is) an old-school way of thinking to reject or mistreat others because they are different than the majority, but America was not the only one doing it. HOWEVER, we seem to be the only country still caught up in the past, still making amends for something that is over. The point I'm making is that neither of your solutions is okay, and just because 1 is the lesser of 2 evils, does not make it a good decision. What you people don't seem to get is by creating these organizations and "policies" for certain races, you are simply making the racism worse, because you are exemplifying the difference between the races. If you truly want to get rid of racism, like Morgan Freeman said, stop talking about it. Stop treating different races differently, and giving them special priveleges for crimes of the past. Maybe I went on a tangent, but only because your post showed a fundamental misunderstanding about the solution to this problem.
The American government has done some truly horrible things. Have you heard about the STD "experiment" in Guatemala http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/30/guatemala-experiments? Imperialism, eradicating indigenous people in order to steal their land, backing fascist dictators to gain access to natural resources, etc, are all pretty villainous. This is part of our history and we need to understand it in order to prevent future atrocities. I'm not asking you to feel bad about it, but you can't justify what our country did by saying other countries did worse. What other countries have done and continue to do makes no difference, we should hold ourselves to a higher standard. What's most disappointing about America IS THE FACT that it has been very helpful to various races or religions, but those same groups that escaped oppression elsewhere, turned around and persecuted groups that arrived after them; that is the very definition of hypocrisy.

I find it terribly confusing how you identify racism in ethnically homogenous regions of Asia, but then say that somehow we can all just get over our differences if we just stop thinking or talking about racism. In Japan they created a minority based on professions dealing with death http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burakumin. Japanese people claim to be able to tell a Burakumin by looks alone and will discriminate against them, despite that they're 100% genetically similar. Groups of people seem to feel the need to demonize or persecute other groups to feel better about themselves, that may just be a part of human nature. This is the same reason why you feel the need to offend people or make people who disagree with you angry. If battling racism goes against most people's nature (selfishly protecting your group), don't you think that some kind of external policy would need to be set to counteract that behavior?

What is your actual proposal? We just set a date when everyone agrees to not be racist? From someone who actively seeks out people to troll, that idealism is very inconsistent.


Also, the average American doesn't complain about black people who get offended by racism, otherwise we wouldn't be in this situation, therefore your point about me is logically fallacious.
You're arguing semantics, but you're doing a terrible job of it. My actual quote was
I find it funny that you complain about average American sheep, when you responded to my post with the same generic responses that everyone uses when complaining about black people complaining about racism. I never said the average American complains about black people who complain about racism, I said that THE PEOPLE who complain about black people complaining about racism always use the same weak arguments that you did.

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Germany enacted a law to prevent people from denying the Holocaust and you're arguing that there's no special treatment?That's not special treatment, because the Holocaust didn't only affect the Jews, it affected the entire world. The whole "Holocaust never happened" Theory is completely bogus, and that has nothing to do with the Jews. Asking the people responsible (or who had elders responsible) for the Holocaust to take responsibility for their crimes is not giving the Jews special treatment, it's being realistic as a nation. Would we, as Americans, be kinder to the Native Americans if we had to make a law decreeing that nobody could deny Manifest Destiny or the systematic slaughter of the natives? No, it has nothing to do with kindness, that is an event that actually happened, and it's not giving anybody special treatment if we force people to be honest about it.


The American government has done some truly horrible things. Have you heard about the STD "experiment" in Guatemala http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...la-experiments? Imperialism, eradicating indigenous people in order to steal their land, backing fascist dictators to gain access to natural resources, etc, are all pretty villainous. This is part of our history and we need to understand it in order to prevent future atrocities. I'm not asking you to feel bad about it, but you can't justify what our country did by saying other countries did worse. What other countries have done and continue to do makes no difference, we should hold ourselves to a higher standard. What's most disappointing about America IS THE FACT that it has been very helpful to various races or religions, but those same groups that escaped oppression elsewhere, turned around and persecuted groups that arrived after them; that is the very definition of hypocrisy.

I find it terribly confusing how you identify racism in ethnically homogenous regions of Asia, but then say that somehow we can all just get over our differences if we just stop thinking or talking about racism. In Japan they created a minority based on professions dealing with death http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burakumin. Japanese people claim to be able to tell a Burakumin by looks alone and will discriminate against them, despite that they're 100% genetically similar. Groups of people seem to feel the need to demonize or persecute other groups to feel better about themselves, that may just be a part of human nature. This is the same reason why you feel the need to offend people or make people who disagree with you angry. If battling racism goes against most people's nature (selfishly protecting your group), don't you think that some kind of external policy would need to be set to counteract that behavior?

What is your actual proposal? We just set a date when everyone agrees to not be racist? From someone who actively seeks out people to troll, that idealism is very inconsistent. I will be the first to agree that America has done and continues to do horrible, horrible things. I think this Country is a plague to humanity, and that Capitalism and Profiteering has destroyed any morals or values we once stood for. I'm not defending America or its actions one bit, and believe me, I know about many of the terrible things we have done and continue to do to our own people and the people of other countries. However, the main point I'm trying to make is that making special policies for different races of people isn't going to solve the problem. It doesn't matter what those policies are, all you are doing is emphasizing the differences between the races by giving them special treatment. What happened in the past (and is still happening to all races in America) sucks, but then we, as a people, need to change it. We need to stop expecting the government to enact policies to give certain races of people unfair advantages, and then expect them not to be seen or treated differently afterwards. It doesn't matter what happened in the past, because the only system that will defeat racism is one where we are all treated equally. That should be plainly obvious to anybody who has studied history or understands human nature.

On the topic of the Burakumin, do you think enacting a government law that forces people to treat them equally would solve the problem of discrimation towards them? No, it would just make it worse. The only solution to racism is proper education. People need to be taught, from a young age and throughout their educational career, that racism and unfair discrimination is wrong and bad for humanity. This is something that needs to be part of the curriculum; an idea planted into the youth of every country of the world. This is very different than making it a law which ultimately causes the reverse of the intended effect.