Talisman of the Abyss

[WindRaven]

Talisman of the Abyss

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Void talisman(1500) + Major totem(540) x2 + recipe(520) = Talisman of the Abyss(3100)

ALTERNATIVELY:

Void talisman(1500) + Major totem(540) x2 + recipe(1020) = Talisman of the Abyss(3600)



Stats:

+15 str
+15 agi
+15 int


Ability:

Abyss Walking - applies the Abyss Walking buff to self for 6 seconds. Heroes under of the effect of this ability are affected by the following:

Disarmed
Physical immunity
Unit walking
20% move speed increase
50 cast speed increase

Cooldown of 25 seconds.



Purpose of this item:

This item is intended as a caster's answer to the shrunken head. It allows good positioning in team fights with unitwalking and a speed bonus, and lets you unload spells faster with the big cast speed increase.

Alternatively, it allows you to escape the ire of a powerful carry who might be intent on killing you quickly. The move speed and unit walking allow you to get out of sticky situations quickly, although leaving you open to disables.

This item also allows caster to get it without fearing a lack of hp or mana, as it provides both, with 15 to all stats. It also has a very easy buildup, apart from the void talisman.

As a note, this item would allow a caster to freely go plated greaves without fear of losing the phase on marchers, as the ability will be available to them later. Carries of course still will have to choose between boots because of the disarm effect on this item does not allow them to get it.

[powerofsk]

It looks like -50 cast speed lol.

kind've op with the extra speed and physical immunity though, remember shrunken head is magical immunity. destroying a carry's ability to attack you >>> destroying a casters ability to stun you

[WindRaven]

And yet you almost never see void talisman. VT basically does the same thing, only with a shorter duration.

The reason for this item is to take the (underused) VT as it is, and make it better and more widely used. Hence the extra stats, the move speed and phase, the 2 second increased duration, and the bonus cast speed.

I'll change the point forms to use something other than a dash.

[Wicory]

Talisman of the Abyss(3100)

15 to all stats.

that orb is 2050 i think and only gives 10 to each stat, it should be worth a lot more.

[yyr_]

i think this is a brilliant item, probably one of the best i have seen.
- Makes use of a item that is barely touched
- Its cheap, but isnt imba
- Its simple but doesnt suffer becuase of it
- Its not aimed at carries, which HoN is already got enough items for.

T-UP from me, love it.

[Dystralex]

Awesome item, would give int heroes ah hard-on

[KingMoscow]

Talisman of the Abyss(3100)

15 to all stats.

that orb is 2050 i think and only gives 10 to each stat, it should be worth a lot more.

This. Voting yes for the activated ability but I don't support the numbers. Either needs to cost more or give less stats.

[fatrend1]

Like the idea of a cast speed increase. It really encourages people to get this and makes Void talisman an offensive item as well as protective.

My suggestion is get rid of the two major totems, make it something more useful for the casters that will most likely use this and add something that casters typically more want such as regen.

[Droggeltasse]

This. Voting yes for the activated ability but I don't support the numbers. Either needs to cost more or give less stats.

i have a similar opinion. But i dont think it sould give less stats cause 2x4+7 is already 15. But when you think of the fact that the majot totems can replace bracers early on, a higher recipe cost would still make it valuable.

[WindRaven]

Part of the problem with this item is that it requires Void Talisman as a component. It is a very expensive item, at 1500 gold, for only 7 to all stats and a 4 sec physical immunity. If the cost of Void was lowered, it would probably be seen a lot more, and would therefore buff any built item with it as a component.

With that being said, 3100 gold is not a huge amount of money, and while it is 1000 more than a blessed orb for only 5 more stats, you are getting SIX seconds of carry immunity, as well as huge mobility and the always awesome cast speed. If this item cost much less than 3000, it would be more popular than it is intended to be, I think. The recipe is only 520, and 520 gold for 2 seconds more of carry immunity, big movespeed, and that cast speed is pretty damn good. In fact, it may be too good.

The idea that it might be too powerful - this is very possible. The best way to fix that is probably to simply increase the recipe cost by about 500, to make it cost 3600. But once we start making this recipe cost more than that, we're going to start relegating it back to useless territory that the Void Talisman currently suffers.

My goal here is a cheap, accessible, powerful item that casters can use to answer shrunken head. Currently, no such thing exists.

[KeY533]

The main idea of this item is definitely good but +50 Cast speed is to much may be 20-30 + Cast Speed but not 50 even Behemots Heart only gives 30 and it costs like 2000 Gold more.

[OJPhoenix]

Like the idea of a cast speed increase. It really encourages people to get this and makes Void talisman an offensive item as well as protective.

My suggestion is get rid of the two major totems, make it something more useful for the casters that will most likely use this and add something that casters typically more want such as regen.

/agree
Item is good, double Major Totem a bit weird though
Damnit, Puzzlebox components are Neophyte's Book + Bolstering Armband, precisely what I wanted to suggest for this item.
I'm not sure about the double Major Totem because its quite cost effective, costing about a quarter of a Blessed Orb, but gives 40% of it.

Swap one for Apprentice Robe? 6 Int for 450, still cost effective, 15 to All Stats is pretty good. Like a bit too good. Also, swap the Recipe for Gloves of the Wise (basic item with cast speed) :P no that doesn't exist, its here: LINK (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=77550) br drjoni

Then it becomes:
Void + Major + AppRobe + WiseGloves
6 str
6 agi
9 int
25 cast speed
and the active gives you another 25, totally the 50 you had originally.

Course thats just my idea, I'm voting for it either way lol

[Verisi]

Why are there major totems?
Why not just do something like Void Talisman + Void Talisman? It's a lot easier.

Not a bad concept. T-up.

[WindRaven]

Reasons to use major totems:

- Major totems can replace bracers, and almost every support hero gets at least 1, if not 2, bracers.
- Major totems are cheap and easy to get at 540 gold, making the buildup easy
- Major totems are not often used as they are a new item, and the more items we have that use them the better imo
- Major totems offer three things that int characters need: hp, armor, and mana.
- A Major totem adds +4 to all stats, void talisman adds +7 to all stats. They go together well.


@OJPheonix: If the wisgloves went in the game, I would definitely make it part of the recipe. Until then, the major totems are the best and only true fit.

[blue11moon]

I love void talisman =) but it's so hard to find an occasion to use it. Most casters don't have an escape mechanism or way to protect themselves. This item will be great for them. It will help squishy casters stay alive much better. Keep in mind though that Void Talisman originally have a decrease magic armor. Removing that might make the item more widely used, but maybe a bit unbalanced (carries are gonna become useless for 6 seconds now). So I would suggest keeping the decrease armor, but maybe lower it a bit? Good job though.

[KayKitten]

i like this idea, but the stats are a bit high (13 might be more apropos) and the duration should probally be 5 seconds. (i use void very often on my pyro build and the 4 seconds is almost ALWAYS enough time to faceroll a unfed hero hiding in the fountain)

[Lantrax]

nice GW skin

[BoundSoul]

I like it...maybe the increased cast speed could be a little OP, but else, its a good item that increases the power of casters. And to be honest: It's time to improve the casters a little bit. There are several ways enemys can protect themselfs from magic damage, but less ways to protect from physical damage, that are effective in the same way...

[PowerOutage]

The increase to cast speed is not OP, but the stats definitively are. Maybe just increase the recipe cost to 1020 for an overall cost of 3600 and a 35sec CD?

[pandasgotgun]

looks good though might want to make sure both shrunken and this item cant be used at the same time.

[docterj208]

I would offer something besides item combination for the recipe costs.

I mean, the effect might be sweet, but its basically just a better void activated ability.

This item should potentially get something more than just item combine and a better activated ability for all its costs.

I'd say more stats, but, that just seems boring.

How about a flat +50 HP, +5 attack speed, and +10 cast speed?