Disband Game button position switch(updated 4/11/2009)

[Jager]

Disband Game button position switch, by Jager - 065

Files effected: game_lobby.interface

It's counterintuitve at the moment how the "Start Game" and "Disband Game" buttons are positioned. The "Start Game" button should be the closest one to the middle of the screen, because it's the one used most often.

People are used to that setup, for example on every Windows PC when you get a confirmation box(or choices down the botoom of an options panel, in non-Microsoft applications too), "Yes" or "Ok" is always on the right, and "No"or "Cancel" on the left. But it's against the common standard in HoN.. which made the problem we have now.

All this mod does is switch the two buttons postions, and returns the disband button's text colour to white, because it's then unecessary for it to be red with the buttons orientated this way. I assume S2 made it red to avoid switching the buttons postions(as many people have requested), or they aren't awar of ths issue(how that possible I don't know). That's just avoiding the underlying problem though. That being said, I hope this mod doesn't have to exist for long, and S2 implements the changes in it. If you like this mod, and would like to see this happen, please vote here (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=32176).

Current disband button position(client version 0.1.49):
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww32/JagerZeroX/HoN/Currentdisbandbutton0149.jpg

Modded disband button positon:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww32/JagerZeroX/HoN/newmoddedisbandbutton.jpg

honmod version: http://www.mediafire.com/file/2zfnjmnjmry/DisbandButtonSwitch.honmod
(http://www.mediafire.com/file/2zfnjmnjmry/DisbandButtonSwitch.honmod)

Changelog:

Version 1.0.0: initial version for client version 0.1.49
Version 1.1.0: Updated for client version 1.52, and left red text in
Version 1.1.1: Updated for client version 1.54
Version 1.1.2: Updated for client version 1.60
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[SHJordan]

Hi Jager, sorry for earlier, could you please post some screenshots?

[Jager]

Hi Jager, sorry for earlier, could you please post some screenshots?
That's a good idea, will do. They'll be up in a few mins, I'll edit the OP. The mod's nothing fancy(because I'm not capable of that :p), it's just to change a major UI annoyance.

[SHJordan]

Nah... no problems... who need fancy at all? =D

[jack]

Most of the buttons in HoN are backwards.

[Jager]

Screenshots up.


Most of the buttons in HoN are backwards.
Yeah I noticed the quit buttons confirmation box was like this as well. But that's works well for that purpose, because it's to make sure if you acutally want to quit, so you need to move the cursor. I don't like that confirmation box though, I think I might download the mod to remove it. :p

[Thysios]

Screenshots up.


Yeah I noticed the quit buttons confirmation box was like this as well. But that's works well for that purpose, because it's to make sure if you acutally want to quit, so you need to move the cursor. I don't like that confirmation box though, I think I might download the mod to remove it. :p
When I 1st started paying, ild accidently click quit. move my cursor to where i thought cancel should be and end up clicking quit >.<

[MaxGhost]

I don't know if the screenshots are showing it correctly, but the text isn't red after this mod. I suggest you leave it red.

[Jager]

Honmod file up now! :)


When I 1st started paying, ild accidently click quit. move my cursor to where i thought cancel should be and end up clicking quit >.<
Ah good point, maybe that should be changed too. :p


I don't know if the screenshots are showing it correctly, but the text isn't red after this mod. I suggest you leave it red.
Yeah that's intended, as it says in the OP(although not clearly, I fudged an edit. Corrected now). I don't think it will be needed anymore, now that people can click on the side with the action they're used to. Because it's not a problem in all those confirmation/dialog boxes on other applications or an OS where the buttons are arrnage this way and have the same text colour.

I find the colour has the opposite effect of drawing you to it instead myself(so you click it), rather then pointing you away from it. Anyone else feel the same? I can make another version where it's red as well if many people want it.

It seems to me like S2 either was trying to avoid switching the buttons which was why they made it red, or they weren't aware of the issue.

[Enliven]

Just add an "Are you sure? Yes/No" dialog when you click disband

[Jager]

Just add an "Are you sure? Yes/No" dialog when you click disband
And then that will get annoying, and everyone will complain that it's wasting their time.. That isn't the problem I'm fixing here though, so your welcome to make that mod yourself. :)

Edit: Sorry guys, I forgot to change the link to the honmod version. It should work now. I'm suprised nobody said anyhting. :o

[Jager]

Bump.

[hsram]

....why?

[Jager]

....why?
Read the OP?

[partyvan]

Great! But why remove the red?

[DenyTheTruth]

Great! But why remove the red?

It looks terrible. Red on blue does not blend well.

[MaxGhost]

It looks terrible. Red on blue does not blend well.
That's why S2 made it red. Because it's ugly as hell, so you keep your mouse away from that s**t

[Sonic_Boom]

That's why S2 made it red. Because it's ugly as hell, so you keep your mouse away from that s**t
i think ur giving them to much credit max :P


jk :D

[MaxGhost]

i think ur giving them to much credit max :P


jk :D
I personally like the red there. It makes me want to run the f**k away from the button. I wouldn't touch that s**t with a 20 foot pole.

[Jager]

I personally like the red there. It makes me want to run the f**k away from the button. I wouldn't touch that s**t with a 20 foot pole.
Yeah but other people find the red makes it worse(it's not just me, another posted it the suggestion thread saying it). Red stands out so you want to go towards it etc.

I think a better option may be to make the start button text green, and leave the disband colour white. At least for people who have gotten used to the backwardness of the postions of the buttons, and need "retraining". They've rubbed off on me unfortunately. >_>

That way the button you want to click normally is coloured so it stands out(as opposed to the one you don't want to click normally). But it's in green, as in go for a traffic light. I'll make an alternate version like that.

I don't think they should be kept the same way(with disband on the right) in the in the game just because we're used to it - the game hasn't even been officially released yet. The purpose of the switch is that that's how it should have been in the first place, for new players.

Edit: It's made(honmod version so far). I need to give it a different name inside the xml file to differentate it in the HoN ModMan is that fine? It's file name will be DisbandButtonswitchAlternate.honmod. Not sure about the s2z version, is it alright to leave it as the same number? I don't suppose you can add letters onto the end of the numbers (e.g. resources066a.s2z) can you?

[partyvan]

How about ICONS?? :D
http://wikked.info/hon/start-game-cancel-game-icons.png

[Jager]

How about ICONS?? :D

Well the point with the mod was that the buttons shouldn't need anything extra for a new player if they were postioned in the expected way. Right now new players will make the mistake of clicking on the wrong side(becuase the don't expect that option to be on that side), while if it's changed back currents player who have got used to it need to readjust(thus a small aid while that happens). I don't think anything on top of the correct orientation would be needed in the long term, so that much extra isn't needed.

[partyvan]

Well, OK. I just looked through Windows, Gnome, KDE and MacOSX and here's what I saw:

Windowing systems that use "OK" then "Cancel":

Windows
Gnome (Linux)
KDE (Linux)


Windowing systems that use "Cancel" then "OK":

MacOSX


Maybe the S2 UI designer is a Mac user? :D

[Jager]

Well, OK. I just looked through Windows, Gnome, KDE and MacOSX and here's what I saw:

Windowing systems that use "OK" then "Cancel":

Windows
Gnome
KDE


Windowing systems that use "Cancel" then "OK":

MacOSX


Maybe the S2 UI designer is a Mac user? :D
Wow thanks for that info. I didn't know Macs did things the other way around. Are Gnome and KDE Linux based OS's?

However I assume the majority user base is using Windows, not a Mac OS. Windows and Linux users together surely must outnumber Mac users greatly. I think they should change it so it either matches the "OK"(left) then "Cancel"(right), or make it default to the setup of the OS. I.e leave it the way it is only for Macs.

[partyvan]

Wow thanks for that info. I didn't know Macs did things the other way around. Are Gnome and KDE Linux based OS's?
Yes Gnome and KDE are the two most popular Linux desktop window managers.

However I assume the majority user base is using Windows, not a Mac OS. Windows and Linux users together surely must outnumber Mac users greatly. I think they should change it so it either matches the "OK"(left) then "Cancel"(right), or make it default to the setup of the OS. I.e leave it the way it is only for Macs.
Makes sense.

[hsram]

i like the icon bit as it adds flavor to it other than that this is really rather pointless. whether you're use to cancel/ok or ok/cancel (i've been using a windows computer for about ~16 years and linux/mac for about a year but it's not hard to read...if you don't read or even by default with the red text then you prolly have tons of spyware on your computer or you're retarded)

but yea sensible and tasteful icons would be a plus most definitely

[Jager]

Updated for 1.52. I've left the red text in place due to the requests, and so it's exactly the same as my suggestion thread for it(in my sig).

[gwho1]

thx for fixing

[gwho1]

the new 1.54 download link is not working atm.

strange, i posted after reading jager's 1.54 notification post but it put my comment before his

[Jager]

the new 1.54 download link is not working atm.

strange, i posted after reading jager's 1.54 notification post but it put my comment before his
Thanks, I think it's fixed now. I'll make sure to manully copy the link instead of using mediafire's button from now on, I think that will solve that happening again.

The forums had work dne on them causeing the time setting to get screwed up making posts go out of order, it's supposed to be fixed now but I'm not sure. If that post keeps staying at the end of the thread I'll get a mod to remove it. :)

[Jager]

Honmod version updated for client version 1.54.

[MaxGhost]

Goodies. I'll update the repo.

[Jager]

Thanks. :)

[Pwnmanship]

Good Idea ;p

[gwho1]

i would still like to have the button positions switched, but i thikn this mod limits certain functionality. i had stopped using it long ago so my memory is kinda foggy on what specifically...

[Jager]

i would still like to have the button positions switched, but i thikn this mod limits certain functionality. i had stopped using it long ago so my memory is kinda foggy on what specifically...
Are you using the honmod, and have you got the latest version. I forgot to update the thread title that it was updated again on the 5/12(updated it now). That version is working fine for me as far as I know.

[gwho1]

idk if it's because of the new update again, but it is not wokring for me.

can't find (a bunch of position and align values), watch = lobbystatus ontrigger setvisible param 1

[Jager]

http://www.mediafire.com/file/2zfnjmnjmry/DisbandButtonSwitch.honmod

Try using the honmod from that link(version 1.1.2) replacing the old copy, and tell me if it works or not. You're only using only honmods right, no s2z files?

If it comes up with that error still, I'd say it may be because of another mod you're using.

If so try the honmod in that link by itself with no other mods to check if it works by itself. If it does continue to add mods back one by one until you find the incompatible mod.

[gwho1]

thank you jager. that link works great. i wonder why the OP link or the repo link wouldnt work for me..

every other functionality works perfectly, including cancel, and the mod that lets you leave team when press disband button

[Jager]

thank you jager. that link works great. i wonder why the OP link or the repo link wouldnt work for me..

every other functionality works perfectly, including cancel, and the mod that lets you leave team when press disband button
I updated the OP link with that one as well, just in case I uploaded the wrong version(only 1/2 fixed of something), maybe I did. :o

The repo link wouldn't have been updated at all though, I forgot to ask Maxghost to update it. On that now, thanks for the reminder.

[MaxGhost]

K.
:blac:

[Jager]

Cheers! :hamm: