Andromeda Solo MID/General andromeda Strat discussion.

[Ubuntu]

I usually pick andromeda and solo mid.

I get 5xMinor Totems and 3x HP pots

I level up to 6 b4 they do because I'm exceptionally good at denying. (Hey I play pub games most people auto-attack).

When I get to lv 6, I use my auto attack on them to get them down to about 75% HP. Then I swap, stun, auto attack dead.

In the past 10 games I've gotten solo mid, 8 times I got bloodlust.

Yet people still say that andromeda sucks solo mid? they say she's a support hero! Usually I just get steamboots, slash, frostwolf skull, wingbow. I stun people, and the auto attack kills them rapidly, if they try and get away, swap them back, attack them as they run by me, and if nesscary stun again. (Although hardly ever do I need the second stun) Using this method I usually get 5-10 kills a game and only a few deaths.

I usually max out the stun and +damage skills first then get stats/ulti until lv 15, then max out 2nd skill.

Am I playing andromeda wrong? I get a lot of kills and tend to do pretty well. Late game I can usually kill people in about 4 seconds. I'm not useless in team fights either, I swap the closest enemy stun whoever tries to chase me while me team polishes off the guy I just swapped.

Is this the way andromeda was meant to be played? I assume not, but again these are just pub games.

Is it okay to base andromeda like this? Or I am just a really luck noob?

[Blaat]

Andromeida has sucky range (about 300-400 if im good). Heroes like TB, Pyro, Tort, SoulStealer will dominate you with their 600 range or spammable spells.

[Ubuntu]

Okay, but what about my late game strategy. I play with my brother, so I could lane with him. Late game. Is it a good idea to just stack mad damage?

[Shirokko1]

I really want to know how you kill someone in 4 seconds :O Are they lv 15 when you're 25?

[Ubuntu]

I really want to know how you kill someone in 4 seconds :O Are they lv 15 when you're 25?

I kill people the fastest around lv 14. I'm usually 3 levels higher than them, stun does 325 dmg, then my auto attack is usually around 200 1.4 attacks per second. In 4 seconds that is around 1600 dmg b4 armour.

[m4c4n999]

get shieldbreaker, symbol of rage, savage mace wingbow ench marches; go behind int hero with invis what u picked from the rune, use that armor/dmg reduction thingie, stun them, kill the **** out of them in les then 4 secs.

[Workdawg]

Your solomid could use some help IMO. Andromeda can be a strong solo mid, but she should be ganking from mid (as all solo mid's should). Instead of 3 mana pots, get a courier, then bring yourself a bottle when you have the gold. Rune whore it up and gank top or bottom whenever your team needs you. You do solid base damage and with your stun, you should be able to gank just about anyone. Just leave the lane around the time a rune spawns, grab it and go. If you get haste or DD, that's almost a guaranteed kill.

I also like to get one level of Aurora (?), her second skill early, maybe level 4 (stun, stats, stun, aurora, stun, ult) because it gives vision of the area you cast it in. So it can be good for scouting. It goes over trees and stuff like that. You can see ganks coming and whatnot.

Andromeda is strong with high damage, so your late game is fine, though I wouldn't waste money on Frostwolfs skull until I already had a lot of damage.

[COOLninjaSWE]

Andromeida has sucky range (about 300-400 if im good). Heroes like TB, Pyro, Tort, SoulStealer will dominate you with their 600 range or spammable spells.

afaik TB got 350 range, and I think andro got 600?

[Obi2k4]

I only solo mid with her if i get a random. i go bottle and wards early so i can control runes. Her stun with plentiful mana can really control a lane on its own. You can stand behind creeps against certain heroes and make sure they don't get into exp range. Just deny enough to keep creeps in river entire time.

For me the best reason for andy mid is if you're going to roam with runes. Then again as someone else said it's always up to who you're against. I guess it's just pretty situational.

[Ubuntu]

I'll get wingbow then frostwolf skull. However I do like the HP bonus frostwolf gives me for when I swap with a hero in a team fight and take some damage as I run back to the rest of my team.

I just checked, as of the latest patch Andromeda range = 400

[AgainstAll]

I usually pick andromeda and solo mid.
I level up to 6 b4 they do because I'm exceptionally good at denying. (Hey I play pub games most people auto-attack).

When I get to lv 6, I use my auto attack on them to get them down to about 75% HP. Then I swap, stun, auto attack dead.

Yet people still say that andromeda sucks solo mid? they say she's a support hero! blabla

I usually max out the stun and +damage skills first then get stats/ulti until lv 15, then max out 2nd skill.

Is this the way andromeda was meant to be played? I assume not, but again these are just pub games.

Is it okay to base andromeda like this? Or I am just a really luck noob?
Bad for your team.
I play dark lady solomid in publics so what
Is auto attack your skill acquired at lvl 6? Must test that hero.
True about her being a support hero
Stun + stats, nothing else
Your assume is right
No, yes you are

[Ubuntu]

Bad for your team.
I play dark lady solomid in publics so what
Is auto attack your skill acquired at lvl 6? Must test that hero.
True about her being a support hero
Stun + stats, nothing else
Your assume is right
No, yes you are

What are you saying?

Here is my skill build:

Stun
Damage Aura
Stun
Damage Aura
Stun
Ulti
Stun
Damage Aura
Damage Aura
Stats
Ulti
Stats
Stats
Stats
Aurora
Ulti
Aurora
Aurora
Aurora
Stats x 7


This allows me to have extremely high damage for my level allowing me to gank people easier with stun + swap + stun.

These ganks allow me to get Wingbow + Slash + Steamboots at lv 19-21

Then I get Hack to form hack n slash then life-steal and survival items. In team fights I swap + stun enemy heroes whenever they get too aggressive and far away from their allies.

How is this bad for the team?

[`Cherry`]

It isn't a really bad idea, but there's definately better picks for middle solo, because as andromeda you're mostly suposed to be ganking almost all the time once you hit level 6 since she isn't really item dependant unless that you're the only hero that can carry your team.

[tobbush]

why solo such a good ganker :*(

[Lighthouse]

At level 4, soulstealer's two quick nukes will drag down your hp to nearly 50%. At level 5, you won't even be able to get near creeps with his massive 300 damage nuke coming from 700+ range.

[`Cherry`]

What are you saying?

Here is my skill build:

Stun
Damage Aura
Stun
Damage Aura
Stun
Ulti
Stun
Damage Aura
Damage Aura
Stats
Ulti
Stats
Stats
Stats
Aurora
Ulti
Aurora
Aurora
Aurora
Stats x 7


This allows me to have extremely high damage for my level allowing me to gank people easier with stun + swap + stun.

These ganks allow me to get Wingbow + Slash + Steamboots at lv 19-21

Then I get Hack to form hack n slash then life-steal and survival items. In team fights I swap + stun enemy heroes whenever they get too aggressive and far away from their allies.

How is this bad for the team?

Damage aura doesn't give that much of a big benifit at low levels like that, the build that everyone should go is:

Stun
Stats
Stun
Stats
Stun
Swap
Stun
Aurora
Aurora
Aurora
Swap
Aurora
Damage Aura
Damage Aura
Damage Aura
Swap
Damage Aura
Stats till 25

Now you might ask yourself, why stats at 2 and 4 ? The answer is simple: her hp and mana pool is quite low, and if i recall correctly you won't be able to do 2 stuns around level 5 without using any mana regen if you don't get stats at 2 and 4.
Now why aurora before damage aura? Because as Andromeda you aren't suposed to stay alive really long enough during team fights. You swap, your team loses your damage aura and the risk of dying when you swap, is extremely high since that everyone on the other team will want to get an easy kill, they'll all target you at the same time. While that if you went aurora before damage aura, you can cast aurora on the other team before swapping, everyone on the other team loses armor for a couple of seconds = easier for your team to win the fight.

[Extreme_Cake]

And if you let Soulstealer do that to you, you frankly deserve everything you get. A good Soulstealer should be able to land his nuke on you, but he shouldn't be able to land all three while walking to you. If you let him do that, you deserved to die.

[Ubuntu]

The 5 Minor totems allow me to double stun at lv 5 and at lv 6 i can stun, swap stun using almost all of my mana. The damage aura at low levels still gives me around 5-6 damage per level which adds up to around +27 damage by the time i've maxed the spell at lv 9. This also helps when I go to gank the top lanes. As the people laning top get the damage bonus as well.

I guess the correct strategy with a solo mid andromeda would be this:

solo mid until lv 6. hopefully get the gank on the mid char. Tell a different ranged hero on your team to take over solo mid. Back to well, get steamboots. go gank bot, then top. Farm a bit after ganking top, and same with bot. Go back and get bottle and +10 agilty (for slash). After that continue ganking although at this stage you should be more into the team ganking phase.

Oh BTW I play EM and although people will bash it, it has it's merits. EM speeds the game up allowing for a faster game and thus more games in the same period of time. This allows for more chances to start fresh and try again. There's nothing worse than being out farmed/leveled by the enemy and yet still having to be dragged through a game waiting for them to win.

[Ubuntu]

And if you let Soulstealer do that to you, you frankly deserve everything you get. A good Soulstealer should be able to land his nuke on you, but he shouldn't be able to land all three while walking to you. If you let him do that, you deserved to die.

lol once I swapped a SS, but apparently they didn't notice because they dropped all three nukes where I used to be. I literally LOL'd.

[dune]

She's a fantastic ganker. There are far better solos in terms of damage output, health pool and farming capabilities. Those two reasons alone should be enough to deter you from the solo mid. In higher-skilled games she will be picked apart.

A good skill-build is:

Stun
Aurora
Stun
Stats
Stun
Ulti
Stun
Stats/Aura
Stats/Aura
Stats/Aura
Ult

This maximises your potential as your role and will help your teammates to have a far better farm.

[GENCIVE2PORC]

Well if it's working for you, then of course you're doing good, it's a game dammit.
Now obviously, at higher levels of play, it won't work so well, but you need to see by yourself to understand ^^

[akitoes]

they say she's a support hero!
Because she scales horribly, despite of her aura.
(scaling = getting better as the game progresses)
Look at moonqueen for instance, who is a powerful ganker throughout the game with her ult and still a good dpser with ranged cleave and aura
Then look at andromeda... who only has aura.

Look at valkyrie, who has an amazing stun, a powerful nuke that lets her gank and farm, a leap skill, global invis, and on top of that a better stat growth.

Look at soulstealer...

If you want semi-carries play semi-carries. Don't try to make a support hero a semi-carry

Also, EM is a dead horse so i'll let it rot.

Just ask yourself if you really are coming for feedback or just looking for a reason to keep playing an inadequate build.

[Avathacis]

I usually pick andromeda and solo mid.

I get 5xMinor Totems and 3x HP pots

I level up to 6 b4 they do because I'm exceptionally good at denying. (Hey I play pub games most people auto-attack).

When I get to lv 6, I use my auto attack on them to get them down to about 75% HP. Then I swap, stun, auto attack dead.

In the past 10 games I've gotten solo mid, 8 times I got bloodlust.

Yet people still say that andromeda sucks solo mid? they say she's a support hero! Usually I just get steamboots, slash, frostwolf skull, wingbow. I stun people, and the auto attack kills them rapidly, if they try and get away, swap them back, attack them as they run by me, and if nesscary stun again. (Although hardly ever do I need the second stun) Using this method I usually get 5-10 kills a game and only a few deaths.

I usually max out the stun and +damage skills first then get stats/ulti until lv 15, then max out 2nd skill.

Am I playing andromeda wrong? I get a lot of kills and tend to do pretty well. Late game I can usually kill people in about 4 seconds. I'm not useless in team fights either, I swap the closest enemy stun whoever tries to chase me while me team polishes off the guy I just swapped.

Is this the way andromeda was meant to be played? I assume not, but again these are just pub games.

Is it okay to base andromeda like this? Or I am just a really luck noob?
She is support. Her main role in competetive game play is to suicide swap enemy carries (initators at times) and gank lots. She's nowhere near a carry due to her low str and pretty bad agi gain for an agi hero, but it works in pubs because anything works there. I've seen Ophelia carry the team.

On your comment that aura gives you +6 extra attack damage, stats give you 40 hp/0.26hp regen/26 mana/0.X mana regen/2 attack damage/2 IAS/0.28 Armor each level.

[CronoDroid]

He said he plays EM, he also claims that EM "leads to faster games" which may be the case for him but whatever. He's also playing against noobs, which means if you have a skill advantage, you can do whatever.

Frankly this thread doesn't sound like a "strat discussion" at all. It sounds like he's making a thread to brag about his awesome Andromeda skills and how he can carry in pubs with her.

Damage Aura at Level 2? You know all that does is push the lane. Yet he claims he is "exceptional" at denying but his average denies a game is only two...

Like other people have said, this is absolutely the wrong way to play Andromeda, she is not a carry and she is not meant to be DPS, she is completely support oriented and her skills attest to this. The whole concept of swapping means that you will be in the thick of the enemy team ready to die so your team can beat the crap out their carry while you, an inconsequential hero as you have been severely underfarmed and underleveled due to your PROPER role of ganking, die.

In a real game, you will not farm enough to get any of those items you mentioned, you should be buying wards, stacking bracers and generally roaming around looking for ganks. Other heroes should solo mid who need items or XP. But since it's an EM game, you'll level and farm just fine which means your perception is severely muddled regarding actual gameplay. You think Andro is a carry because EM games allow you to outlevel and outfarm very easily.

Anyway, don't come asking for advice until you're ready to play regular games. I'm not trying to be mean or anti-noob, but there are no tactics or strategy in EM. There is no balance, the game was never meant to be played in EM and thus nobody ever bothered balancing for it. Just know that there are better heroes you can play in EM, ie actual carries or semi-carries like Sand Wraith, Madman, Soulstealer, Moon Queen (ultimate PUBSTAR) or Dark Lady.

[Kietharr]

I usually pick andromeda and solo mid.

I get 5xMinor Totems and 3x HP pots

I level up to 6 b4 they do because I'm exceptionally good at denying. (Hey I play pub games most people auto-attack).

When I get to lv 6, I use my auto attack on them to get them down to about 75% HP. Then I swap, stun, auto attack dead.

In the past 10 games I've gotten solo mid, 8 times I got bloodlust.

Yet people still say that andromeda sucks solo mid? they say she's a support hero! Usually I just get steamboots, slash, frostwolf skull, wingbow. I stun people, and the auto attack kills them rapidly, if they try and get away, swap them back, attack them as they run by me, and if nesscary stun again. (Although hardly ever do I need the second stun) Using this method I usually get 5-10 kills a game and only a few deaths.

I usually max out the stun and +damage skills first then get stats/ulti until lv 15, then max out 2nd skill.

Am I playing andromeda wrong? I get a lot of kills and tend to do pretty well. Late game I can usually kill people in about 4 seconds. I'm not useless in team fights either, I swap the closest enemy stun whoever tries to chase me while me team polishes off the guy I just swapped.

Is this the way andromeda was meant to be played? I assume not, but again these are just pub games.

Is it okay to base andromeda like this? Or I am just a really luck noob?

She's a support hero unless you're playing against bads. She's extremely fragile and has no way to escape ganks nor does she scale all too well into the lategame. Most teams who use her have her set up as a roamer who is basically the team ***** who buys courier, wards, ect and ganks constantly. She will get a bit underleveled (VERY underleveled if she fails to get ganks) but the idea is you gank them a few times and they get a more important person underleveled or several people slightly underleveled.

[dumblydore]

I kill people the fastest around lv 14. I'm usually 3 levels higher than them, stun does 325 dmg, then my auto attack is usually around 200 1.4 attacks per second. In 4 seconds that is around 1600 dmg b4 armour.

The thing is, you are playing in extremely noob games. If they are even decent (even in pubs they shouldn't be this bad) they will not be 3 levels lower than you.

If they are so bad, you can dominate with any hero if you stack damage, not just andromeda.

For example, I take glacius and solo people with dps items. That doesn't mean im playing him right. It just means the other people are much worse than me.

[crazysheep]

Suggestion: Change your skill build. Comet/Dimension Link forces your creeps to push too hard too far, and suits a pushing build. On the other hand, Comet/Stats gives the HP and mana for ganking and multiple casts of Comet. By lvl 6, you'd have something like Comet lvl 3, Stats lvl 2 and ulti lvl 1. Which can and usually will lead to a successful gank early on.

[DemonasGodz]

+1 em games are lame

[Bishopp1]

you guys new at this games ? due to the aura you can get decent dps without the damage items (thus getting surv items) and also depends on how you play. it's extremely easy to lasthit with aurora due to fast annimation and good dmg.

you keep thinking killing heroes and ignore killing creep. you can destroy a mid lane hero by just denying.

it's excelent for solo mid, you won't get the kill but i can guarantee i can outcreep/outdeny most heroes with andro. 1 lvl stun + aura + stats + fortified bracers and later get survivability items that with some small dmg boost ...

simple math:

initial dmg: 39-53 .. add to that 2 minor totems and 2 crowns ... that's +6 dmg, so we have

45 - 59 at lvl 1 + aura (12% = 5.4 - 7.1) = 50 - 66.1

lvl2: 45-59 + 2.3 from agi gain + 2 from stats that's 47-61 (rounded it down) + stats = 49 - 63 + 12 % aura = 56 - 71 .. at level 2 with his animation, yes PLS outcreep/outdeny me, i won't write down lvl 3,4 but here's lvl 5 just so you see how well it scales

45 - 59 + 7 from agi gain (3 lvl's)+ 2 from stats( 2 lvl's go to aura) = 54 - 68 + 28% aura = 67 - 87.

you get roughly 150 dmg at lvl 10 with enh marchers + 2 fortified bracers/ aura / stats / 1 lvl stun and swap (assuming you weren't really good at last hitting because you get much more gold at lvl 10). with this build you have HP + damage + stun (has same duration on all lvl's, only dmg varies) + swap.

him / arachna / mq who have passive auras with good attack animation (and arachna+mq with even higher dmg ) are EXCELLENT for hit/deny, you won't kill the lane hero at lvl 5-6 but at 8-9 you are over him in XP/GOLD and automatically items.

this is not a build to play everytime (especially with arachna or mq) but depends on how side lanes are doing.

[Pyroglyphics]

Out of morbid curiosity, why does she have Helm of the Black Legion listed in her "recommended items" section? Wouldn't the Iron Shield be much better for her early game, being a "not tank"?

[dune]

It puts it in her Recommended because she needs some survivability in order to get back to her team after swapping in. Just recently I saw this done to good effect with a Shrunken Head.

[Pyroglyphics]

Gotcha, thanks. Do you think Iron Shield would be worthwhile or is it too low of an effect for her survivability when swapping?

[gOt_gAnK]

I'll get wingbow then frostwolf skull. However I do like the HP bonus frostwolf gives me for when I swap with a hero in a team fight and take some damage as I run back to the rest of my team.

I just checked, as of the latest patch Andromeda range = 400
that is lol.. no1 should ever, ever buy frostwolfs skull. frostwolfs skull should only be bought when the game is pretty much over with, as its 100% luxury item and not needed. with andro my play is stun+stats - with nullifire + elder parasite + riftshards, and depending on what the other team is I might get a shrunken head/shroud/

[akitoes]

Out of morbid curiosity, why does she have Helm of the Black Legion listed in her "recommended items" section? Wouldn't the Iron Shield be much better for her early game, being a "not tank"?
hotbl IS indeed terrible on vs don't take it:)

[Ubuntu]

Damage Aura at Level 2? You know all that does is push the lane. Yet he claims he is "exceptional" at denying but his average denies a game is only two...


I played like a 170 games of my 230 Games played before I even learned how to deny, so obviously my average is low.


The whole concept of swapping means that you will be in the thick of the enemy team ready to die so your team can beat the crap out their carry while you, an inconsequential hero as you have been severely underfarmed and underleveled due to your PROPER role of ganking, die.
I'm pretty sure you have this wrong. Suiciding for the sake of your team? Any plan that involves a teammate dying on purpose sounds like a dumb idea to me.


In a real game, you will not farm enough to get any of those items you mentioned, you should be buying wards, stacking bracers and generally roaming around looking for ganks. Other heroes should solo mid who need items or XP. But since it's an EM game, you'll level and farm just fine which means your perception is severely muddled regarding actual gameplay. You think Andro is a carry because EM games allow you to outlevel and outfarm very easily.

I think that she is a carry because of +36% base damage. I don't think that wingbow, Steamboots and Slash is hard to attain by lv 25, yet that still gives you 300 dmg (2 attacks/sec) for 600 DPS. The swap ability should can be used to pull people from the other team that get too aggressive, and then use stun to stop any1 that goes after you.


Anyway, don't come asking for advice until you're ready to play regular games. I'm not trying to be mean or anti-noob, but there are no tactics or strategy in EM. There is no balance, the game was never meant to be played in EM and thus nobody ever bothered balancing for it.

As long as I'm having fun it seems like I'm doing it right, it is a game after all. Not saying that strategy should be neglected, as strategy allows for a better game. Just don't rip a noob apart for no reason when they're just trying to have a good time.

EM and other modes like Dup heroes are just added to game to make it more fun. And that's what games are for.

--Evan

[nakke]

played her hated her..I went supportish build but her ult isnt really that useful until you get portal key