Magebane-noob want some help =)

[HeartAttack]

Hey,

Well after watching many players using Magebane owning in games,I'v been inspired to play him. So I read a couple a guides on him on this forum,noted the build and items I should get etc. I know that Magebane has to farm in the forests but I cant bring myself to believe this technique would help me. I'v played my first game with him today and I was farming almost the whole time,while my team was ganking and gaining some levels. By the end of lv.20(my whole team was already lv.25) I had Enc.Marcher,Helm of BL,Slash,Brutalizer(only needed Wingbow).

So here are my questions ...

#1. At what level should I stop laning and go farm in the forest
#2. Any tips to not be 1-5 Levels behind my team
#3. When should I stop farming and help gank
#4. (More of a Opinion) Shoudn't Mana Rift do more damage for a Ult?
#5. Any others tip for a Magebane noob?

-HeartAttack

[DenyTheTruth]

Hey,

Well after watching many players using Magebane owning in games,I'v been inspired to play him. So I read a couple a guides on him on this forum,noted the build and items I should get etc. I know that Magebane has to farm in the forests but I cant bring myself to believe this technique would help me. I'v played my first game with him today and I was farming almost the whole time,while my team was ganking and gaining some levels. By the end of lv.20(my whole team was already lv.25) I had Enc.Marcher,Helm of BL,Slash,Brutalizer(only needed Wingbow).

So here are my questions ...

#1. At what level should I stop laning and go farm in the forest
#2. Any tips to not be 1-5 Levels behind my team
#3. When should I stop farming and help gank
#4. (More of a Opinion) Shoudn't Mana Rift do more damage for a Ult?
#5. Any others tip for a Magebane noob?

-HeartAttack

Word on the street is he's going to get tweaked again, so you may want to consider not using him as your main hero just yet.

I don't see very many people pick magebane and the few that do either know how to play him well or they are terrible with him. Honestly, I'd say he's a very situational hero. He's not going to do much good against those who have no need in mana.

I know this doesn't answer your questions; but I don't play magebane so I don't know what to tell you.

[deViouS_tran]

1- I would suggest around 12 and you should have all the items you need to stay alive for a while. Some good options would be Alchemist's Bones (activated ability will help with gold) and Abyssal skull (It cant build into anything later, but alot of people I play with enjoy using the %damage increase)

2-Lane if you need to. there is no shame in feeding off XP from other players.

3- Thats very much up in the air. You can gank very well with magebane from the start if you think you can handle it. just rememebr to use his Flash.

4- You'll be hitting them enough to where the last thing you'll be worrying about is the ult.

5- Your Flash is THE vital skill for survival. Go in, hit hit hit, flash out. Very very standard. My item build is usually:
Charged Hammer
Whispering Helm
Runed Axe
Manatube
Manatube
Beastheart

[`Cherry`]

1: You should never stop laning unless that you feel that you're about to get ganked, if you are about to.. hide using blink making sure the other team didn't see in which direction you went, then use homecoming stone to go into another lane where your creeps didn't push too far on the other side of the map and start farming the lane again.

2: Using homecoming stones to save you time instead of running all the way from one lane to another should fix that.

3: Up to you, but you should only gank with your team when you guys are sure of getting the kills, else the time you're wasting going to the ennemy hero and you end up not killing him, you're not getting any exp nor any gold for your items since he's an item dependant hero.

4: It does already a lot of damage, just make sure to look how much mana they're missing before casting it or cast it when you're chasing them and you know that the ministun will be enough for you to blink next to them and give them 1 - 2 more hits they're needing to die.

5: Always watch out for nukers that have stuns, due to the low hp pool of magebane, he can be quite fragile in early and mid game.

Geometer's Bane works wonders on him since your images also burn mana and it gives you a little bit more hp that you need while being a very good item for DPS.

[InspecterJ]

Hey,

Well after watching many players using Magebane owning in games,I'v been inspired to play him. So I read a couple a guides on him on this forum,noted the build and items I should get etc. I know that Magebane has to farm in the forests but I cant bring myself to believe this technique would help me. I'v played my first game with him today and I was farming almost the whole time,while my team was ganking and gaining some levels. By the end of lv.20(my whole team was already lv.25) I had Enc.Marcher,Helm of BL,Slash,Brutalizer(only needed Wingbow).

So here are my questions ...

#1. At what level should I stop laning and go farm in the forest
#2. Any tips to not be 1-5 Levels behind my team
#3. When should I stop farming and help gank
#4. (More of a Opinion) Shoudn't Mana Rift do more damage for a Ult?
#5. Any others tip for a Magebane noob?

-HeartAttack

I don't agree with your item build. That maybe your problem. My build for him is two soulscreems (or one soul and a power supply), steam boots, whispering helm/abysal skull (with the recent change I might go abyssal for the minor boost to mana regen), slash, geometer's bane, then either get brutalizer, shrunken head or symbol of rage.

Getting helm on him is a waste because he's a carry, which means late game dominance, and helm is really only usefull early/mid. Besides, you have an amazing escape mechanism, you should almost never be dying.

I lane for as long as possible unless I see an opportunity to gank, if there is an open lane, jump into it, if there isnt then go in jungle and earn some moolah. You can jump into team fights at any point, but your focus should be on getting gold for your items.

As far as his ult goes, its one of the few ults that scales to late game. It deals damage based on missing mana, in early game short of a few int heroes noone is gonna have a very high pool, but as the game goes on, every single person buffs up their pool in one way or another. Once you get your geometer's you can burn away mana like crazy and in some cases your ult can chop off half their life. This matters on the hero you're facing. Its a very hard ult to figure out, but once you understand how to use it, it can be very deadly.

As far as being behind on levels, well, that shouldn't happen if you're spending most of your time laning. Only ever leave to help gank, but don't go doing it full time till you have all your items, always return to a lane. Your blink allows you to farm relatively safely no matter how deep you go as compared to most other chars.

[HeartAttack]

Thanks guys,I'll take note of what you guys suggested me =D
So basically I should get "Geometer's Bane",be "laning" most of the time(though I was suppose to only farm forest),and assist ganks only when its a sure win =D

[InspecterJ]

Thanks guys,I'll take note of what you guys suggested me =D
So basically I should get "Geometer's Bane",be "laning" most of the time(though I was suppose to only farm forest),and assist ganks only when its a sure win =D

Forest farming is good but only once you get enough dmg to clear it out quickly, earlier in the game you'll get more xp and gold from laning, especially if you're in it alone (which means you need to be on your toes to able to blink away quick). Jump in the forest any time there isnt a safe lane to farm.

It doesn't have to be a sure win, but pretty close, your job in the game is to farm and get your items so you can carry later in the game.

Also, your ult is very useful for picking off runners from team fights as most chars will have empty pools as they run. With other chars your Ults should be used during fights to help win the fight, but with mage that would be a waste cause during fights everyone generally has a healthy mana pool.

[KingKnight]

1. Power Supply
2. Steamboots
3. Abyssal Skull
4. Slash ---> Geometer's Bane
5. Brutalizer
6. Thunderclaw ---> Charged Hammer

[MinishMan]

I've actually got a vid of me playing magebane that I'm going to upload when I can figure out how to convert these 4GB chunks of fraps ive got :/

I agree with the above mostly. Always get brutaliser, sometimes I get before lifesteal, becuase despite the blink, magebane has a hard time chasing heroes down. 25% bash + naturally high attack speed = almost certain to win 1v1s mid game.

I usually start with 6x runes of blight, hp pot, and 2 duck boots. If I'm having a great farm in lane I'll buy the punchdagger and other fist thing for enhanced marchers from outpost, then get marchers to complete. If it's not so good I'll buy marchers first and if I'm low hp sometimes ill go back and get them - they are really essential. You cant chase without marchers, you get maybe 2 hits then they get away from you. After this Ill finish off 2 soulscream rings.

At this point I usually "chicken out" to myself and buy whispering helm (lifesteal), justifing it that it will help me jungle and farm etc, but I had this one eye-opening game where I played with my friends, some of whom aren't so hot, and we had terrible lanes all over and I realised our only hope of victory is for me to carry, and soon. So I went brutaliser first, went ganking and it went supremely well.

So after brutaliser and whispering helm I'll usually go wingbow, then riftshards or shieldbreaker. Sure shieldbreaker or savage mace give move damage but the agil gain from wingbow increases your attack speed so you proc even more stuns, yippee!!

Why not geometers bane? Too much micro for my liking haha. I've played 650hrs of coh, I've come to hon to avoid some micro, and the times I've used it I usually end up killing myself by accident, so I wouldn't advise it to a noob.

I will usually try and farm in lane until lv8. One of my friends generally plays legionairre and jungles so I can solo bottom and get lv8 nice and quick and go off ganking. I usually do a bit of gank, if we are milling around I'll creep kill or pop to the nearest neutrals to kill, then I can blink back to help my allies if needed. Your blink allows you to be incrediably efficient - farm lanes, farm thier jungle, gank when you spot a loner - and you are safe in the knowledge that you have one of the best escape mechanisms in the game.

Skills wise I'll start with flash, then mana burn twice, then usually flash again. I find the 600 radius on mantra thing too small to be very useful when laning vs heavy casters as most nukes are range 6-700, so they can kite the effect without even trying. Lowering the cooldown on flash makes a biiig difference in chasing and surviverability, so unless I'm in a lane vs 2 intel I won't get my ult until flash and mana burn are both lv4 - it just doesn't do enough damage.

Hope I helped.

Minish Man

[HeartAttack]

Wow thanks for the tips,let me know when your done uploading that video.

I'v just had the coolest game ever with Magebane, Geometer's bane <3 ! Now I'm pretty comfortable with him except for the fact :
- Most of my deaths are from game start,I feel like I can get away from everything with Blink,so end up attacking thinking I'll blink but then I die from stun...(**** pest)

Right now, I start with Runes x2,Mana,Claw,Minor x2 --> x2 Soulscream,En.Marchers,Whispering Helm --> Slash,Geo --> Brutalizer (the game is usually over so I never got to get Wingbow)

[Typhusux]

Item build : Whispering helm/abissal skull, marchers, frostwulf skull, geomancer's bane + whatever dps item you like + shrunken head/behemot's heart.

#1. If the lane suck, a soon as you got your leachlife. If you manage to get lots of last hit and even kills, don't go forest.
#2. You should be 2-3 levels ahead of other guys... You can use your blink to take shortcuts on the map, and you can go from lane to forest quite fast.
#3. When you farm, constantely look at the minimap. If a fight is about to start, come help. Your allies can't win on 4v5. Especially when you have your first "major" item (in my case, frostwulf), you will only farm when there is nothing else to do.
#4. Mana Rift sucks early game, but that's probably the deadliest ulti on lategame casters with 2000 mana... Remember the zone damage.
#5. Early game don't engage. Only blink in when it's safe. Don't hesitate to run away tricky situations, don't take any risks until you got a bit stuffed. Early on magebane has to be a chicken, but lategame, he has to be a tiger.

[deViouS_tran]

[QUOTE=HeartAttack;428274]Wow thanks for the tips,let me know when your done uploading that video.

I'v just had the coolest game ever with Magebane, Geometer's bane <3 ! Now I'm pretty comfortable with him except for the fact :
- Most of my deaths are from game start,I feel like I can get away from everything with Blink,so end up attacking thinking I'll blink but then I die from stun...(**** pest)
[QUOTE]

Pestilence is a huge problem for the heroes that can teleport away because of his massive stun. Your best solutions would be to get something with stun (ie Brutalizer) or setup with someone who can (Cronos and Valkyrie are some of the better ones I've played alongside).

After getting ganked over and over with heroes like Scout, Magebane, Sand Wraith and other AGI squishy Heroes i realized that:

- XP is more important then gold in the beginning. If you're not safe getting your last hits, just leech from a safe distance. After you get some level you'll be able to Jungle and get a nice amount of Gold.

- If there's a Ranged from the other team in your lane, ask to switch lanes with a lane there isn't if possible. If they're half-smart they know that you don't have much HP, they know you need Xp and Gold, and will harrass you any chance they get. They don't even need to use skills, just a couple of normal hits when you try to get last hits is enough to bring you to half your HP.

- If you're being harrassed a lot double your awareness on the other lanes. If you see a lane with a miss for too long be ready to GTFO for the same reason above, they know that hindering you in the beginning is the safest way to counter the monster you become later. If you're playing in a pub don't expect them to call miss, pay attenttion.

- Surviving will give you more XP AND save your gold. Even without many last hits you can still end up better than that annoying Soulstealer from your lane that was raping your creeps and you, if you manage to organize a gank on him with your team. Something that's not very hard to pull in the early game.

- During early game don't use your blinks and stealths to get in, save them to get out until they're leveled with a very low CD.

I'm still a noob, so i may be wrong, but i follow those simple rules when playing late game AGI Carries/DPSers and most of the time I end up nice.

I have a question though. Why some people favor Abyssal Skull over Whispering Helm? Is there any reason beyond the fact that the first help the team the other doesn't?

[Raithx]

I like playing Magebane, however, if I see them pick a few certain heros, I tend to not pick him. ie. Defiler, Bloodhunter, and now Puppet (stupid silence on his hold).

Unfortunately, u have to play him like a little girl. Run in, hit fast, rip their mana up, and blink out b4 they can disable you.

At the start, his damage is bleh, I normally get a logger's hatchet when I can to help getting last hits and such. Always get Enhanced Marcher's ASAP.

I always try to go Enhanced Marcher's --> Abysal Skull (mana regen) --> then whatever I need/want. I love getting a Brutalizer on him. Its fairly cheap, and helps with people running away and such. Also, nothing better than stunning Magmus using his Ult.

No one said to get Wingbow , I dunno why. My final item build normally looks like : Marches, Brut, Wingbow, Abyssal Skull, Behe Heart, then insert something here. Sometimes Shrunkin Head or Demonic Breastplate. All depends on how long the game is lasting and how farmed you are.

I basically only play in pugs tho, so there might (probably) is a different way to play him competitively.

[Obi2k4]

6 hyperstones

[Sirion]

Why is everyone so obsessed with insane manaregen on an agility carry hero? With 2 actives (with insanely low manacost) and 2 passives? I just dont get it. With that, i mean you are wrong :p