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Vinthian
08-05-2011, 07:21 PM
Faithful forum users,

There has been an increase recently in forum signatures that are not appropriate. Because of this, we have made the decision to disable image tags in signatures completely. We regret that this change is impacting those of you that have not abused the function and encourage you to continue to express your personality through CAIs or text-only signatures.

Necrosado
08-05-2011, 07:24 PM
Ye! more

Voittamaton
08-05-2011, 07:24 PM
what's CAI?

Flandre
08-05-2011, 07:24 PM
You mean the greedy S2 signatures?
Whatever, i never used a sig anyway.

SolarFlare22
08-05-2011, 09:00 PM
This is absolute bullshit, why not set up rules and get the moderators to remove offensive signatures?

Do you really think removing images is going to stop the "S2 lied to us" signatures? I've already seen several people that have recreated it using text.

Time to start manually signing all my posts with my signature image anyways, I encourage everyone to do the same. Don't put up with this crap.

EDIT: PROBLEM SOLVED.
__________________
Kongor... wat?
http://i.imgur.com/Z8N2Z.jpg

IsmaelVera
08-05-2011, 09:02 PM
Another thing ruined by trolls.
:balp:

DaPPa
08-05-2011, 09:03 PM
Seriously?

My sig was awesome, and it took ages, I can't use it because of all the recent drama?

That's nice.

BoboTheKlown
08-05-2011, 09:04 PM
Wait, so why are there still images in signatures?

mattypants_
08-05-2011, 09:06 PM
Finally. -_-

BlackClown
08-05-2011, 09:06 PM
Another thing ruined by trolls.
:balp:

Your posts are now half less annoying, good for everybody. Waiting untill they remove heroes smileys, though.

Tooklak
08-05-2011, 09:06 PM
Not appropriate? Quotes from S2 members aren't appropriate?

This is some bullshit. People will just put it in text form anyway, so congratulations on accomplishing nothing.

DemKy
08-05-2011, 09:07 PM
meanwhile stats are not working.
gg S2

SomaZ
08-05-2011, 09:12 PM
But why did you remove links (URLs) from signatures as well?

Speidel
08-05-2011, 09:12 PM
Guess it's only a matter of time before you start censoring "Dota2"

And while you're at it, can you please just remove Ismaelvera from the forums entirely. I lose brain cells every time I see one of his useless posts.

BattleHungeR
08-05-2011, 09:15 PM
really!

Avunaos
08-05-2011, 09:15 PM
:O really????????

Panic
08-05-2011, 09:16 PM
S2 can't handle the truth!

Gangstar
08-05-2011, 09:17 PM
lame

Scrubs
08-05-2011, 09:20 PM
too funny.

coffins, nails, anyone up for some work?

DadTakeItOut
08-05-2011, 09:20 PM
Its extremely sad that we can't voice our opinions through images used as signatures. Not our fault you lied to us S2.

ZF
08-05-2011, 09:21 PM
Um, I can see all images and hyperlinks in signatures just fine...

NoMad :noma:

`Fluttershy
08-05-2011, 09:21 PM
This just makes me want to change my sig to this
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2561/2j0y06o.png

Scrubs
08-05-2011, 09:22 PM
Can a mod put this thread in the quarantine? OP is obviously trolling.

Izman
08-05-2011, 09:22 PM
Its extremely sad that we can't voice our opinions through images used as signatures. Not our fault you lied to us S2.

+1 this

sco0t
08-05-2011, 09:22 PM
Enable images in signatures for Royal Tanzanites wielders. :)

asarja
08-05-2011, 09:23 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA $2

While you're at it, may I suggest you shut down the forums too, so people can't complain at all.

We all know it - if people are not complaining, it means they are happy.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

LUC3NT
08-05-2011, 09:24 PM
Its not the point if you find a loophole to see it, its the fact that they are covering crap up.

Omgopolis
08-05-2011, 09:24 PM
Um, I can see all images and hyperlinks in signatures just fine...

NoMad :noma:
My guess is they're not disabled yet? I dunno.

I don't mind personally, as my sig is perfect without an image, but this is pretty lame. Sig images add a nice touch to the forums, and some sigs let me know who to add to my ignore list :D

RCNcoldtea
08-05-2011, 09:26 PM
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2561/2j0y06o.png

Gizzzz
08-05-2011, 09:26 PM
:drun: Dear $2, MAN UP please. waiting a week to tell people your reasons is not because of the "peoples" rage, people are going to rage because your taking so long to tell us your reasons, and if you need a week to figure out why it was a bad idea to get your ideas from monkeys throwing darts at a wall of targets with ideas on them posted by 2 year old's on how to make your game better...... well my only question would be...... are you guys paying for the monkeys with money made from the EA's? I don't expect a post back, because that would make you guys look like a real company. So i will end with a MAN^

SmackTrick
08-05-2011, 09:28 PM
I believe its time to flip dem tables.

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Silidons
08-05-2011, 09:31 PM
more censorship?

was a fun run everyone, going back to sc2 now.

Izual
08-05-2011, 09:32 PM
What...

Bloodspeaker
08-05-2011, 09:32 PM
http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-04-24/1240539866791.jpg

This ^
Wow S2 so funny let's see how much lower can you fall.

sillent
08-05-2011, 09:34 PM
looks like they changed their mind? this is getting quite funny though..

_Miyavi
08-05-2011, 09:35 PM
Booo we want .gif signatures!

Lyphen
08-05-2011, 09:36 PM
****ing finally, no more sigs that are too tall to fit and aren't properly cropped.

DadTakeItOut
08-05-2011, 09:38 PM
I fixed my sig. No images? No problem

iPodTouch
08-05-2011, 09:39 PM
inb4 s2 removes sigs all together

LUC3NT
08-05-2011, 09:42 PM
I fixed my sig. No images? No problem

Thank you! Mind If I use it? :phar:

DadTakeItOut
08-05-2011, 09:43 PM
Can't even have text regarding that Factual image that has been floating around in your sig.... MAKE UP YOUR MINDS $2

DadTakeItOut
08-05-2011, 09:44 PM
Thank you! Mind If I use it? :phar:

You can use it if you like I just got it deleted and warned. If I repost it I'll get banned apparently for voicing my opinion freely.

Reldnahc
08-05-2011, 09:45 PM
Sigh

Nyandex
08-05-2011, 09:46 PM
Bastards.

;_;

Truxtar
08-05-2011, 09:47 PM
Checking my sig

Testingrani
08-05-2011, 09:47 PM
Boo!

Why not just BAN people with offensive sigs?
Implementing things like this (with people) who have done nothing but support S2 has really made people lose faith in the decisions made by S2.

The idea is good, but the implementation is questionnable.

Kild
08-05-2011, 09:47 PM
And that's how the cookie crumbles.

I never realized quoting S2 members with S2 made smug Kongors was inappropriate.

ByteRat
08-05-2011, 09:50 PM
I just keep wondering what is next. What is the next step that they will take in hope that somehow everyone will be thrilled with they way of robbing people. I just can't believe how low S2 sank and that they don't have better ideas to fight competition. And I can't realize that they don't see that these kind of decisions + constantly failing servers + recent early access thing will just ruin them couse this kind of games are getting more and more popular and others will learn on their mistakes easily

WongBurger
08-05-2011, 09:51 PM
Faithful forum users,

There has been an increase recently in forum signatures that are not appropriate. Because of this, we have made the decision to disable image tags in signatures completely. We regret that this change is impacting those of you that have not abused the function and encourage you to continue to express your personality through CAIs or text-only signatures.


Actually the picture sigs are fine, you just need to stop being a TOOL. The Jews were the ones who ruined Germany after WWI too right?

Aya
08-05-2011, 09:55 PM
Byebye signature ;_;

BlackClown
08-05-2011, 09:56 PM
hahahaha, Can't stand the heat Marc? Pathetic. :mali:

EDIT:
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2561/2j0y06o.png

Sancti
08-05-2011, 10:02 PM
Faithful forum users,

There has been an increase recently in forum signatures that are not appropriate. Because of this, we have made the decision to disable image tags in signatures completely. We regret that this change is impacting those of you that have not abused the function and encourage you to continue to express your personality through CAIs or text-only signatures.

So because you are not able to handle such a abusive behavior you just completly disable it? In all my years being a Mod i have never experienced something like this. Maybe it`s just because we know how to treat our customers...
At least there must be a reason while people are using such signatures so the next thing would be to find out who at S2 did make the whole com mad and maybe disable this guy first.

By the way, i had a nice sig before this lalalala but know i don`t care anymore about your abusive behavior @ S2, Mods

E: the text was an epic idea of one of your Moderators, saying you can have this instead of an image! Good one, just shows how stupid this is!

drinks
08-05-2011, 10:04 PM
faggot ass *****es

Behe
08-05-2011, 10:05 PM
lol

joke company

Schirokko
08-05-2011, 10:05 PM
(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻

Lungs
08-05-2011, 10:08 PM
didn't work.

aeternitatis
08-05-2011, 10:08 PM
This is pretty silly... All those "LIAR" images - that are obviously the reason for this - are essentially just text anyway. Requiring people to put them in text form is not going to do much to stop the use of sigs to express that message.

On the flip side, 99% of forum goers who use images in their sigs that aren't calling S2 liars get punished needlessly. This is a really silly, over-reaction way of addressing this issue.

Avunaos
08-05-2011, 10:10 PM
OH NOOOOOOOOOEEEEEESSSS!!!!
(my pro signatures will no longer be apreciated :()

muyfeo
08-05-2011, 10:11 PM
finally, so sick of those stupid ass s2 lied sigs made by 12 year olds with no life outside hon. Plus this will make them cry more(their tears taste so so good).

Nine_Cloak
08-05-2011, 10:12 PM
At first I was like, "What inappropriate images? I frequent the forums and haven't really seen anything inappropriate."

Then I realized it's referring to the sigs about EA.

Really, S2? I'm an avid supporter. I really am. I love what you guys do, I love a lot of your original heroes (Scout/Maliken/MK are all so fun) and I love the direction you took this game over dota.

But as far as the facts go: You DID lie about EA. You said that kind of thing would never happen, and that things we could buy would only ever be cosmetic. Even if you claim it's not pay for power, you are incorrect. Having access to heroes that others don't is power. It opens up strategies that others don't have access to, even if it's a widely regarded underpowered hero.

I wasn't a fan of the people making a big deal out of it. Going F2P was a good marketing move. I understand that. I understand EA. It's fine that you lied. But you did, and censoring people over it is unprofessional and straight up unintelligent on your parts. We'll see in a week and a half if I'm moving to Dota 2 or not, I suppose.

Frewbags
08-05-2011, 10:12 PM
what about Viole? she made sigs for all of us... So many wasted papers!!! =\

BloodyTofu
08-05-2011, 10:15 PM
Sad day today.

davestr1zl
08-05-2011, 10:16 PM
absolutely pathetic and hilarious, nothing more to say really

RUSty_
08-05-2011, 10:17 PM
fine by me

Nyandex
08-05-2011, 10:20 PM
Even URLs are disabled? C'mon, S2.

Kukubara23
08-05-2011, 10:24 PM
nOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Nidhogg
08-05-2011, 10:28 PM
Signatures that make S2 look bad removed on S2s own forums? HOW DOES THIS WORK?

Idiots, the lot of you.

alako1
08-05-2011, 10:29 PM
At first I was like, "What inappropriate images? I frequent the forums and haven't really seen anything inappropriate."

Then I realized it's referring to the sigs about EA.

Really, S2? I'm an avid supporter. I really am. I love what you guys do, I love a lot of your original heroes (Scout/Maliken/MK are all so fun) and I love the direction you took this game over dota.

But as far as the facts go: You DID lie about EA. You said that kind of thing would never happen, and that things we could buy would only ever be cosmetic. Even if you claim it's not pay for power, you are incorrect. Having access to heroes that others don't is power. It opens up strategies that others don't have access to, even if it's a widely regarded underpowered hero.

I wasn't a fan of the people making a big deal out of it. Going F2P was a good marketing move. I understand that. I understand EA. It's fine that you lied. But you did, and censoring people over it is unprofessional and straight up unintelligent on your parts. We'll see in a week and a half if I'm moving to Dota 2 or not, I suppose.

Quote for the win to be honest.

I swear this game is going down hill, if the forums can't be moderated well then they should get new moderators rather than disable it for all users.

It's unfair and quite frankly a bad move, S2 you are just lowering and lowering your standards and soon there will be no difference from LoL staff :/

Can't wait till dota 2, Think i'll be leaving HoN then also if this is how the lacking of moderation and discussion with the community is going. :/

Hell, the early access statement from maliken was closed because people didn't like the fact that we had no say in the matter for the EA and most of the threads are being moved to "non constructive" even when they are :/

Viole
08-05-2011, 10:33 PM
what about Viole? she made sigs for all of us... So many wasted papers!!! =\

All my pretty works gone :(

I still have them all on paper and computer, in-case the sigs ever come online again and people need the links back.

Oh well, time to make one out of text.

Sancti
08-05-2011, 10:35 PM
That`s the whole point here, there is nothing wrong with signatures but there is a lot going wrong with the moderation. Me and some of my friends being Mods, Admins, .. where talking about this since the forums opened. I have never seen such bad staffies like here. But i think it`s not their own fault more a fault of those noobs from S2 who don`t know how to moderate a forum and treat customers.

BabaGanoush
08-05-2011, 10:35 PM
but arent these said offensive signatures simply reminders of what S2 orignially said? Its not a crime to copy and paste quotations from the company itself.

lynxxyarly
08-05-2011, 10:37 PM
All this will really do is produce the Streisand effect.

Censoring something on a forum of this caliber and of such heated debate can only end one way.

Conformity and happy endings by all!

alako1
08-05-2011, 10:41 PM
That`s the whole point here, there is nothing wrong with signatures but there is a lot going wrong with the moderation. Me and some of my friends being Mods, Admins, .. where talking about this since the forums opened. I have never seen such bad staffies like here. But i think it`s not their own fault more a fault of those noobs from S2 who don`t know how to moderate a forum and treat customers.

I like your new "Text Signature"

Think i'ma use that also xD

DounJeimes
08-05-2011, 10:49 PM
but arent these said offensive signatures simply reminders of what S2 orignially said? Its not a crime to copy and paste quotations from the company itself.

Totally true

RystariuS
08-05-2011, 10:50 PM
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2561/2j0y06o.png


Ill miss this sign so much.

Absolutely pathetic

Sancti
08-05-2011, 10:50 PM
I like your new "Text Signature"

Think i'ma use that also xD

You know i wasn`t a fan of that either but having your sig disabled because our dear maliken feels like being hurt by such words did just change my mind. And i just want to show them how "dumb" it was to remove those sigs just enter the text and what are we going to do know S2?

Avunaos
08-05-2011, 10:51 PM
:( my pro signatures made in the fan media » graphic requests section will no longer be viewed...
sad, very sad

I have contributed so much with signatures to players that I've been awarded with the icon of the goddess as you can see



but from now on I can't contribute anymore since they're disabled them

Nigmos
08-05-2011, 10:52 PM
Really unnecessary, S2. I made mine for the sole purpose of just having a nice signature. Why punish me too?

EEs
08-05-2011, 10:57 PM
All my pretty works gone :(

I still have them all on paper and computer, in-case the sigs ever come online again and people need the links back.

Oh well, time to make one out of text.

Oh, I didn't see that all your hardwork at attention finally gave you a GM position. Congratulations, can you make me nice reply post with some cray and stick figures now please? :trem:

Nidhogg
08-05-2011, 11:01 PM
You guys do realize you don't have freedom of speech here right? Just because you think its fitting to "copy and paste their own words" out of context doesn't mean it will fly. All you are doing is ruining it for the rest of us who had sigs that we enjoyed displaying, and to what end? So you can be vocal about an issue that even dead horses would sigh at you about?

Get over it.

CustomMode
08-05-2011, 11:07 PM
What about my custom modes signatures?!
How will S2 know to implement that feature thats been promised since the dawn of time!

DAMN YOU QUOTES... DAMN YOU!
Why can't we live in a world where lies can't be made into quotes.... WHY!


lol na jkjk
Nothing I do will make them do their job.

Btw, is S2 hiring a censor squad? Does it come with benefits?

kerespup
08-05-2011, 11:09 PM
You guys do realize you don't have freedom of speech here right? Just because you think its fitting to "copy and paste their own words" out of context doesn't mean it will fly. All you are doing is ruining it for the rest of us who had sigs that we enjoyed displaying, and to what end? So you can be vocal about an issue that even dead horses would sigh at you about?

Get over it.

Their existence ruins everyone's lives.

EmptyPalms
08-05-2011, 11:11 PM
You guys do realize you don't have freedom of speech here right? Just because you think its fitting to "copy and paste their own words" out of context doesn't mean it will fly. All you are doing is ruining it for the rest of us who had sigs that we enjoyed displaying, and to what end? So you can be vocal about an issue that even dead horses would sigh at you about?

Get over it.

What context was it supposed to be taken in? All I've seen is the truth.

Allignment
08-05-2011, 11:17 PM
What a joke.

asarja
08-05-2011, 11:19 PM
What a joke.

Even your GMs think this is lame, $2. Way to deal with the EA problem.

unally
08-05-2011, 11:30 PM
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2561/2j0y06o.png

Nidhogg
08-05-2011, 11:47 PM
What context was it supposed to be taken in? All I've seen is the truth.

Their business model changed from December to now, thus the context has changed. Quoting dates and one liners doesn't tell the whole picture, but you knew that.

You all can't seriously be this dumb.

Rayleigh
08-05-2011, 11:48 PM
pathetic.

Sancti
08-05-2011, 11:49 PM
You guys do realize you don't have freedom of speech here right? Just because you think its fitting to "copy and paste their own words" out of context doesn't mean it will fly. All you are doing is ruining it for the rest of us who had sigs that we enjoyed displaying, and to what end? So you can be vocal about an issue that even dead horses would sigh at you about?

Get over it.

Sorry but you`re wrong. The only one ruining everything are S2 because they are not able to handle such things like they should be. Instead they are just acting like butthurt. Sorry to say that but that`s what it looks like at the moment. We can`t handle criticism so we`re going to censor everything as good as we can.

Lionguild
08-05-2011, 11:49 PM
I never had a forum sig before this, but this thread made me do it.

Credge
08-05-2011, 11:54 PM
Their business model changed from December to now, thus the context has changed. Quoting dates and one liners doesn't tell the whole picture, but you knew that.

You all can't seriously be this dumb.

The problem was the change of business model.

PornFIakes
08-05-2011, 11:57 PM
Good job digging your own grave S2.

YaBoi
08-05-2011, 11:59 PM
Inb4 pay gold coins for image in signature!

donaldtroll
08-06-2011, 12:00 AM
PFFFFF

really s2?? REALLY?

LOOOL


Just when i thought you couldnt get any more grubbing and retarded

"we got a problem here... everyone is making images of us as greedy liars"

"BAN IMAGES!"

:p

Tooklak
08-06-2011, 12:06 AM
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2561/2j0y06o.png

donaldtroll
08-06-2011, 12:07 AM
Just trying out my new sig to see if it works... never had one before so dont quite know how it will be...

Fry
08-06-2011, 12:08 AM
Dear players,

We are too "busy" to police the forums with our unpaid community volunteer moderators for inappropriate content in signatures and remove it at risk of scrutiny by you for immorally removing relevant content, so to save our company image we are disabling images completely. Have a nice day!

S2

RapeGhost
08-06-2011, 12:08 AM
Just when video games won in court that they are considered Art yet signatures (which are art) aren't allowed.


unAmerica, ungamelike, glad you think censorship is the right idea.

Andromeda
08-06-2011, 12:12 AM
Testing $2 and signiture $

Edit My signiture still works, I dont get it?

Beroya
08-06-2011, 12:27 AM
Oh well, S2 has always been backwards when it comes to public relations. Advertise your product? Heck no, that costs money. Make a promise? Who cares, not like anybody listens to ya.

Name a Hero contest.
Name an Item Contest.
Intelligence Ganker Contest.
Agility Pusher Contest.
Promises of never giving an in-game advantage for money.

But you know what? The best way to deal with truthful accusations isn't to address them. No, the best way is to delete everything related to it and punish those that remember. That's awesome public relations right there, isn't it.

RatedRKO
08-06-2011, 12:27 AM
What's hilarious about it all is Maliken reported that the people who spoke out about the EA as a very small minority. But yet he bans ALL SIGNATURES because there is lots of offensive ones? Hilarious.
This :arma:

swithydizzy
08-06-2011, 12:28 AM
What is this?

North Korea?

Nymity
08-06-2011, 12:51 AM
then why do i still see signatures?

Yurixy
08-06-2011, 12:52 AM
testing

so ... my sign was mods for promote HoN ... good job removing it

oOo
08-06-2011, 12:55 AM
Get big S2 don't die trying ...first no gifs then f2p then no sigs next pay monthly???meh

Ninja_Style
08-06-2011, 12:55 AM
Here is hoping that image signatures can be restored in the near future.
I'll try to clarify the situation by addressing some frequent statements:


"I don't see why the signatures in question were against the forum rules"


You are not supposed to call others out on the forums (rule #8). Regardless of the justifications, no one should be ridiculed and degraded in public on this board. The forum rules are meant to ensure that everyone can enjoy visiting this forum and to promote a pleasant posting-environment. I hope you can understand why this is an important goal every community site aspires to.


"But those signatures only contained things S2 said themselves"


It is easy to make someone look bad by using his own words against him. The desired negative implication of those signatures is further emphazised by the use of a trollface/LIARS sign. It does not matter wether S2 "deserves" to be treated like that or not. It is a public degradation that violates the rules. Please understand this. There is nothing wrong with critizism - this is just not an acceptable way to do it.


"I can say whatever i want in my signature!"


Having signatures enabled is a privilege to promote account customisation and meant to be a great tool to enhance the overall forum experience. You can put a clever quote in there, a funny/cool picture or a link to a guide your wrote, etc.. When signatures are used to break the forum rules instead, they do more harm than good and that privilege must be removed (see rule #7).


"But why did you remove all signatures instead of penalizing the ones who abused them?"


Every member of this forum is a customer of S2 as well, so they are very keen on making sure everyone is happy as much as possible. Punishing over 100 people, who were already enraged about the recent changes, did not seem like a good idea to them at that time. While in hindsight it might have been the best course of action, handling a forum community is not always that easy. Part of said community is very sensitive to even slight regulation, ready to start a rebellion at a whim and without much of a cause if need be. So it was decided not to punish anyone, even though they were technically violating the rules. The moderation staff tried to block and remove abusive signatures to resolve the problem without having to penalize anyone. I myself went to great lenghts communicating with those people, but as we see now, our efforts were in vain.



Conclusion






If you want to critizise S2 please do so by contributing to one of the appropriate threads in GD. You will always have the right to voice your opinion. However, you should not spam the forum with a million threads about the same topic or violate the forum rules while you explain your concerns. An intelligent argument speaks much louder than an obnoxious accusation.


If we could manage to voice our critizism in a reasonable way, without disrespect and rudeness, there is a good chance we could get our signatures back.
A lot of people put a lot of work into their own and I hate to see all those unique and awesome signatures disappear.

(Apologies to those who read my recent posts and who are probably thinking I sound like a broken record by now.)

RatedRKO
08-06-2011, 01:01 AM
If we could manage to voice our critizism in a reasonable way, without disrespect and rudeness, there is a good chance we could get our signatures back.

What about the topics that were moved to non-constructive complaints? I believe one of them even had a mod say it was fine..

chroMium_
08-06-2011, 01:03 AM
w00t

Conningcris
08-06-2011, 01:03 AM
Here is hoping that image signatures can be restored in the near future.
I'll try to clarify the situation by addressing some frequent statements:


"I don't see why the signatures in question were against the forum rules"


You are not supposed to call others out on the forums (rule #8). Regardless of the justifications, no one should be ridiculed and degraded in public on this board. The forum rules are meant to ensure that everyone can enjoy visiting this forum and to promote a pleasant posting-environment. I hope you can understand why this is an important goal every community site aspires to.


"But those signatures only contained things S2 said themselves"


It is easy to make someone look bad by using his own words against him. The desired negative implication of those signatures is further emphazised by the use of a trollface/LIARS sign. It does not matter wether S2 "deserves" to be treated like that or not. It is a public degradation that violates the rules. Please understand this. There is nothing wrong with critizism - this is just not an acceptable way to do it.


"I can say whatever i want in my signature!"


Having signatures enabled is a privilege to promote account customisation and meant to be a great tool to enhance the overall forum experience. You can put a clever quote in there, a funny/cool picture or a link to a guide your wrote, etc.. When signatures are used to break the forum rules instead, they do more harm than good and that privilege must be removed (see rule #7).


"But why did you remove all signatures instead of penalizing the ones who abused them?"


Everyone on this forum is a customer for S2 as well, so they are very keen on making sure everyone is happy as much as possible. Punishing over 100 people, who were already enraged about the recent changes, did not seem like a good idea to them at that time. While in hindsight it might have been the best course of action, handling a forum community is not always that easy. Part of said community is very sensitive to even slight regulation, ready to start a rebellion at a whim and without much of a cause if need be. So it was decided not to punish anyone, even though they were technically violating the rules. The moderation staff tried to block and remove abusive signatures to resolve the problem without having to penalize anyone. I myself went to great lenghts communicating with those people, but as we see now, our efforts were in vain.



Conclusion






If you want to critizise S2 please do so by contributing to one of the appropriate threads in GD. You will always have the right to voice your opinion. However, you should not spam the forum with a million threads about the same topic or violate the forum rules while you explain your concerns. An intelligent argument speaks much louder than an obnocious accusation.


If we could manage to voice our critizism in a reasonable way, without disrespect and rudeness, there is a good chance we could get our signatures back.
A lot of people put a lot of work into their own and I hate to see all those unique and awesome signatures disappear.

(Apologies to those who read my recent posts and who are probably thinking I sound like a broken record by now.)




So by posting in the GD threads, I assume you mean the rare one that manages to stay in in GD, and not quarentined to stop the complaining?

pandamanana
08-06-2011, 01:06 AM
seriously S2?

Werewick
08-06-2011, 01:06 AM
and yet this was moved to non-constructive complaints?

http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=307061&highlight=Boycott

CustomMode
08-06-2011, 01:10 AM
If you want to critizise S2 please do so by contributing to one of the appropriate threads in GD.





http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/9237042.jpg

Credge
08-06-2011, 01:11 AM
This is pretty poor handling.

Sell
08-06-2011, 01:16 AM
I genuinely like this game. However there have recently been several steps taken that are destroying the relationship with the community. I have faith S2 will see where the wrong turns went and fix this.

I miss my sig :( I spent a lot of personal time making it.

Ninja_Style
08-06-2011, 01:18 AM
So by posting in the GD threads, I assume you mean the rare one that manages to stay in in GD, and not quarentined to stop the complaining?
A lot of threads were moved to NCC because there was already a prominent thread on the very same topic. There is no reason a single topic should fill the front page by having lots of redundant clones.

Halte
08-06-2011, 01:18 AM
ninjastyle you once gave me a warning for a sarcastic post :(

RatedRKO
08-06-2011, 01:20 AM
A lot of threads were moved to NCC because there was already a prominent thread on the very same topic. There is no reason a single topic should fill the front page by having lots of redundant clones.
With all the replies it received, wouldn't it make sense to leave that one in GD? It's up to 93 pages now..

Werewick
08-06-2011, 01:20 AM
A lot of threads were moved to NCC because there was already a prominent thread on the very same topic. There is no reason a single topic should fill the front page by having lots of redundant clones.

http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=307061&highlight=Boycott

this thing had nearly 2000 replys

why was it moved to NCC

Garis
08-06-2011, 01:22 AM
What about the topics that were moved to non-constructive complaints? I believe one of them even had a mod say it was fine..

That was my post Okuu said it was fine. Have since questioned him in PM about it. No reply couple in a days and counting. I am guessing either Maliken himself pulled it because I saw from him profile he had viewed it :). Thanks S2 <3 ...

Ninja_Style
08-06-2011, 01:26 AM
ninjastyle you once gave me a warning for a sarcastic post :(
I would love to quote that posts of yours, but there are minors browsing this forum, who would be marred for live if they saw it. ;)
If you firmly believe your post was ok, you can always make an appeal.

Let's try and not stray from the topic too far now.

Yurixy
08-06-2011, 01:27 AM
Here is hoping that image signatures can be restored in the near future.
I'll try to clarify the situation by addressing some frequent statements:


"I don't see why the signatures in question were against the forum rules"


You are not supposed to call others out on the forums (rule #8). Regardless of the justifications, no one should be ridiculed and degraded in public on this board. The forum rules are meant to ensure that everyone can enjoy visiting this forum and to promote a pleasant posting-environment. I hope you can understand why this is an important goal every community site aspires to.


"But those signatures only contained things S2 said themselves"


It is easy to make someone look bad by using his own words against him. The desired negative implication of those signatures is further emphazised by the use of a trollface/LIARS sign. It does not matter wether S2 "deserves" to be treated like that or not. It is a public degradation that violates the rules. Please understand this. There is nothing wrong with critizism - this is just not an acceptable way to do it.


"I can say whatever i want in my signature!"


Having signatures enabled is a privilege to promote account customisation and meant to be a great tool to enhance the overall forum experience. You can put a clever quote in there, a funny/cool picture or a link to a guide your wrote, etc.. When signatures are used to break the forum rules instead, they do more harm than good and that privilege must be removed (see rule #7).


"But why did you remove all signatures instead of penalizing the ones who abused them?"


Every member of this forum is a customer of S2 as well, so they are very keen on making sure everyone is happy as much as possible. Punishing over 100 people, who were already enraged about the recent changes, did not seem like a good idea to them at that time. While in hindsight it might have been the best course of action, handling a forum community is not always that easy. Part of said community is very sensitive to even slight regulation, ready to start a rebellion at a whim and without much of a cause if need be. So it was decided not to punish anyone, even though they were technically violating the rules. The moderation staff tried to block and remove abusive signatures to resolve the problem without having to penalize anyone. I myself went to great lenghts communicating with those people, but as we see now, our efforts were in vain.



Conclusion






If you want to critizise S2 please do so by contributing to one of the appropriate threads in GD. You will always have the right to voice your opinion. However, you should not spam the forum with a million threads about the same topic or violate the forum rules while you explain your concerns. An intelligent argument speaks much louder than an obnoxious accusation.


If we could manage to voice our critizism in a reasonable way, without disrespect and rudeness, there is a good chance we could get our signatures back.
A lot of people put a lot of work into their own and I hate to see all those unique and awesome signatures disappear.

(Apologies to those who read my recent posts and who are probably thinking I sound like a broken record by now.)




Yeah, like instead of removing the antiS2 signs, u guys removed even the signs that promoted S2 by bringing new models and mods, like mine... lol

Nice strategy.

Nothing justify removing my sign... it looks like they do not have enough moderators to filter (remove) the wrong ones!

CaboHitman
08-06-2011, 01:27 AM
I had a non-offensive signature.

I'm pretty sad right now.

Usually the innocent are who pays for the sins of the sinners. I want my sig back :(

Tarishimo
08-06-2011, 01:28 AM
Wow.... just wow. Do you really think this is going to stop anything? you do realize everyone with that image is just going to have it in text form now right? :arma:

MichaelBurge
08-06-2011, 01:29 AM
A lot of threads were moved to NCC because there was already a prominent thread on the very same topic. There is no reason a single topic should fill the front page by having lots of redundant clones.

Says the moderating staff who used to dump all of the DotA 2 threads into OT instead of merging or closing them. We're not your spare forum landfill! :flin:

You've been a bit better about it since I started complaining, but perhaps you need a separate subforum of GD like BB where all the threads that aren't bad enough to be completely closed but not good enough to stay on the front page go. Call it "The Landfill". :blac:

Ninja_Style
08-06-2011, 01:31 AM
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=307061&highlight=Boycott

this thing had nearly 2000 replys

why was it moved to NCC
Probably because this thread (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=307918&highlight=critique) is much better suited to champion the concerns of the community concerning EA.

Garis
08-06-2011, 01:33 AM
I would love to quote that posts of yours, but there are minors browsing this forum, who would be marred for live if they saw it. ;)
If you firmly believe your post was ok, you can always make an appeal.

Let's try and not stray from the topic too far now.

You know all threads were moved for being Non Constructive.The Original main thread was Boycott Early Access: You have the power.

Then being removed I made a thread Boycott EA Censorship? Constructive Complaint. This got 153 posts and 3,505 views. Easily the main thread and presented good points with no slander. Okuu the moderator commented on it saying "Legit complaint, indeed. I won't close or move Please try to upkeep a rude-free discussion".

A mod moved this. Explain please Ninja_Style bearing in mind this was easily the biggest and main thread on the subject.

Ninja_Style
08-06-2011, 01:36 AM
Yeah, like instead of removing the antiS2 signs, u guys removed even the signs that promoted S2 by bringing new models and mods, like mine... lol

Nice strategy.

Nothing justify removing my sign... it looks like they do not have enough moderators to filter (remove) the wrong ones!
You hit the nail on the head. Constantly removing abusive signatures was quite frankly too much work in addition to our normal forum duties. I think it was a bad decision by S2 to remove all signatures and I feel for people liek you who put a lot of effort into theirs. Still, the signature spam forced some kind of reaction from S2.

Garis
08-06-2011, 01:39 AM
You hit the nail on the head. Constantly removing abusive signatures was quite frankly too much work in addition to our normal forum duties. I think it was a bad decision by S2 to remove all signatures and I feel for people liek you who put a lot of effort into theirs. Still, the signature spam forced some kind of reaction from S2.

I thought the people who objected to S2 were just a small minority of the forum according to Maliken? Is Maliken wrong? If not then why remove all sigs?

Ninja_Style
08-06-2011, 01:40 AM
Says the moderating staff who used to dump all of the DotA 2 threads into OT instead of merging or closing them. We're not your spare forum landfill! :flin:

You've been a bit better about it since I started complaining, but perhaps you need a separate subforum of GD like BB where all the threads that aren't bad enough to be completely closed but not good enough to stay on the front page go. Call it "The Landfill". :blac:
Those threads pop up like crazy and we work as fast as we can. I merge Dota 2 in off topic whenever i find the time, but with only a few hours a day to devote to forum duties, it's hard to get everything done.

On a sidenote: I think your complaints were drowned in the recent spam. Regardless, we are doing our best.

iJusti
08-06-2011, 01:41 AM
ive done nothing but defend this game since start of beta, now screw it, this last 3-4 months have been awful just rediculous.

Rofl_Cake
08-06-2011, 01:45 AM
On one note: good, those EA whiners are the equivalent of the "stop child abuse" thing on Facebook. Large in number, but completely useless.

On another: my fatalistic Cowslip is no mas.

Ninja_Style
08-06-2011, 01:47 AM
You know all threads were moved for being Non Constructive.The Original main thread was Boycott Early Access: You have the power.

Then being removed I made a thread Boycott EA Censorship? Constructive Complaint. This got 153 posts and 3,505 views. Easily the main thread and presented good points with no slander. Okuu the moderator commented on it saying "Legit complaint, indeed. I won't close or move Please try to upkeep a rude-free discussion".

A mod moved this. Explain please Ninja_Style bearing in mind this was easily the biggest and main thread on the subject.
I see, Okuu even moved it back to GD once, but a global mod decided that one thread about this topic is sufficient.

I understand why that mod made that choice, especially due to the very rude replies in that thread.

Omgopolis
08-06-2011, 01:57 AM
Says the moderating staff who used to dump all of the DotA 2 threads into OT instead of merging or closing them. We're not your spare forum landfill! :flin:

You've been a bit better about it since I started complaining, but perhaps you need a separate subforum of GD like BB where all the threads that aren't bad enough to be completely closed but not good enough to stay on the front page go. Call it "The Landfill". :blac:
S2 should just put MichaelBurge in charge of everything. It would be for the best.

Conningcris
08-06-2011, 01:59 AM
I find it another insult in-and-of-itself that such a major change doesn't even have a single S2 post, not even Nome, I mean they could at least give us the respect of that instead of one mod handling this (with his proffessed "i'm on your side" wishing they hadn't removed them)

Kind of pathetic

FatChocobo
08-06-2011, 02:02 AM
I see, Okuu even moved it back to GD once, but a global mod decided that one thread about this topic is sufficient.

I understand why that mod made that choice, especially due to the very rude replies in that thread.

Isn't it against the rules to persistantly derail a thread?

Love how you still have an image sig, way to represent.

Halte
08-06-2011, 02:02 AM
How do I appeal? :( 'cause my post was definitely not offensive and evil, as you claim :(

test $2

Credge
08-06-2011, 02:11 AM
Isn't it against the rules to persistantly derail a thread?

Love how you still have an image sig, way to represent.

Dude, didn't you know? Some animals are more equal than others.

WILDDADDY
08-06-2011, 02:12 AM
I would love to quote that posts of yours, but there are minors browsing this forum, who would be marred for live if they saw it. ;)
If you firmly believe your post was ok, you can always make an appeal.

Let's try and not stray from the topic too far now.

Are you Swedish..?

Nyandex
08-06-2011, 02:13 AM
I had a non-offensive signature.

I'm pretty sad right now.

Usually the innocent are who pays for the sins of the sinners. I want my sig back :(
Chop down the size a little and you could probably redo it.

Sk0ld
08-06-2011, 02:13 AM
I don't get it.
The folowing sentences will be based on my logic and express my own opinion and by no mean any one else's. I have no experience in handling an internet comunity/moderating. The numbers I will throw may not be accurate.

I get the rules and yes I do agree with the fact that these signatures had to be removed. Here is how I picture a moderator warning someone : "Dear X your signature violates rule Y please change your signature or we will have no choice but to ban this account from our forums for Z days", you get the idea.
Now, let's say we have 200 offensive signatures and 10 moderators, that's like 20 PM's for each moderator. Even if you had to ban a 200 accounts from the forums why choose to punish all of the forum comunity which should be at least 10 times bigger ?
What I get from a previous post is that in order to "make everyone happy" you chose not to punish a bunch of enraged people and punish the whole comunity. If they were already enraged why not ban them ? Why would you try to make THEM happy and make us all pay ?

I think I missed something, this does not sound logical to me and I'd like to be enlighten.

CustomMode
08-06-2011, 02:15 AM
I still don't understand the whole "We said this, but stop bringing it up. It makes us look bad." censorship thing.

I mean... you can defend it, make a pretty big worded argument, say its against the rules, but seriously?

You lie.
Make dozens of countless promises...
and there shouldn't be any reprecussions?

And after all that, the communuity is punished.

I'm really getting pissed from all the bs I'm being fed.
How can you defend a company let alone moderate for them when things like this constantly happen.

How often is there a S2 scandal? - On a regular basis.
How often does S2 not follow through with anything? - On a regular basis.
How often does S2 literally lied directly to us? - On a regular basis.

SERIOUSLY, how can you defend and stick up for them.
Its mind boggling.

Hell... I've been waiting 28 MONTHS for something that was guaranteed by multiple developers and a CEO. Over the course of two years, I've gotten maybe two responses from S2 staff about it and they were both BS run of the mill responses that could mean anything. + A permanent account ban for calling their marketting and public relations a joke.

Are you mods paid by S2. Do you recieve special perks?
How often are you PM'd or required to read a special announcement in the moderator section regarding how to anger the community even more.

Does anyone at S2 have any responsibilities at all or is work just done on a "I'll get around to it" basis.
It sickens me how to company is ran.
Do as I say, not as I do. Thats how all this works.

I really really hope DOTA2 has SDK/Maps/Modes outta the box cause I can't play this game anymore.
Company that treats me like garbage?
Can't do it.

Credge
08-06-2011, 02:15 AM
I think I missed something, this does not sound logical to me and I'd like to be enlighten.

It doesn't sound logical because quoting does not break the forum rules.

WILDDADDY
08-06-2011, 02:16 AM
I have a solution S2, make a disclaimer to enter the forums much like a porn site.


Done.

Now people can talk freely about hypocrisy without the need for censorship.

asarja
08-06-2011, 02:30 AM
continue to express your personality through CAIs

So what are you saying, we should buy more coins or what?

BlooDByte
08-06-2011, 02:30 AM
u can put my signature up...it serves the purpose ...i didnt make it i also took it from somebody

TRYTROUSERS
08-06-2011, 02:38 AM
What's really sad is that stuff like this makes S2 look more bush league than any of the signatures you guys are censoring.

m0ntyyy
08-06-2011, 03:00 AM
god this is getting so ridiculous, so much fail by s2.

Ninja_Style
08-06-2011, 03:00 AM
I find it another insult in-and-of-itself that such a major change doesn't even have a single S2 post, not even Nome, I mean they could at least give us the respect of that instead of one mod handling this (with his proffessed "i'm on your side" wishing they hadn't removed them)

Kind of pathetic
No one asked me to do this and I am just being honest.


I don't get it.
The folowing sentences will be based on my logic and express my own opinion and by no mean any one else's. I have no experience in handling an internet comunity/moderating. The numbers I will throw may not be accurate.

I get the rules and yes I do agree with the fact that these signatures had to be removed. Here is how I picture a moderator warning someone : "Dear X your signature violates rule Y please change your signature or we will have no choice but to ban this account from our forums for Z days", you get the idea.
Now, let's say we have 200 offensive signatures and 10 moderators, that's like 20 PM's for each moderator. Even if you had to ban a 200 accounts from the forums why choose to punish all of the forum comunity which should be at least 10 times bigger ?
What I get from a previous post is that in order to "make everyone happy" you chose not to punish a bunch of enraged people and punish the whole comunity. If they were already enraged why not ban them ? Why would you try to make THEM happy and make us all pay ?

I think I missed something, this does not sound logical to me and I'd like to be enlighten.
I don't want to put the blame on anyone, nor to sabotage the efforts of the people responsible for the way this situation was handled. The circumstances were (and still are) difficult to optimally adapt to and sometimes people just make mistakes. All I can say is that I would have gladly punished the offenders and prevented this from happening (especially because I knew it was coming) - if I had had permission to do so.

Tuoppo
08-06-2011, 03:07 AM
Good company listen to their customers.
S2 shuts up their customers, like a boss.

Frantz3n
08-06-2011, 03:07 AM
Very lame done S2.

Raptor_Jesus
08-06-2011, 03:09 AM
I'm pretty sure Ninja_Style's forum sig offends me. I feel it also causes an inferiority complex in many people.

"JUST" a troll? Really? Why not just say 'TROLL> GET OUT OF HERE!'. No.

No.

He's JUST A TROLL. somehow devalued as a human being. So wrong.

Mellow
08-06-2011, 03:13 AM
So much frustration about the LIAR signatures

This is almost getting to a Riot level of censure, S2

Ninja_Style
08-06-2011, 03:13 AM
I'm pretty sure Ninja_Style's forum sig offends me. I feel it also causes an inferiority complex in many people.

"JUST" a troll? Really? Why not just say 'TROLL> GET OUT OF HERE!'. No.

No.

He's JUST A TROLL. somehow devalued as a human being. So wrong.
Might be hard to believe, but that's actually a gaming reference (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRLqwsXebHQ).

Eishun
08-06-2011, 03:18 AM
remove the sig pic please

hammerflame
08-06-2011, 03:23 AM
Well, when people found out that you guys wouldn't really take the posted criticism seriously, they had to come up with some way to show off their disappointment in you. I guess you just narrowed it down a tad further right there. I love how you claim that actual previous messages from S2 are ''offensive''.

Pness
08-06-2011, 03:27 AM
i got bored and made this.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7668/pness.jpg

Sir_Josh
08-06-2011, 03:45 AM
Test?!

08-06-2011, 03:48 AM
****ing BS!
Stupid ****!
FU FU FU FU FU!
Any reason for do this ****?
You have no heart!

Emin3m
08-06-2011, 03:49 AM
wait what :( : thx for removing my awsome first immortal in my life! thx lot

IceCat3
08-06-2011, 03:50 AM
I'm not going to lie, but weren't we all just making fun of LoL for censoring the word HoN or Newerth? And now we don't have sig's because they had criticism of HoN's changes? (not that I post enough to use em, I typically just lurk)

I gotta say, they must be a little stressed out over there right now if they are making decisions like this.

Emin3m
08-06-2011, 03:54 AM
wow this is completly childish! becuz some use that is 5 % of the community , we must no more use signature.... omfg another step that is doing to kill hon!

How much we bet dota 2 will allow signature ?. You just gave me a new reason to go on dota 2! i didn't though about it before now

Thingdo
08-06-2011, 03:58 AM
I'm pretty surprised at this tbh. For a long time S2 has let people get away with sigs bashing them, and saying how dota 2 will be better.

But now, people have the sigs that have the quotes that show s2 staff saying one thing and doing another and they ban everyone's sigs?

They must really not want that spreading around, or they have really sensitive egos. Probably both.

Also, I'm surprised that an s2 employee didn't start this thread. I suppose they want to leave moderation to the moderators, but it seems strange to me.

I've really started liking them less as a company recently. During beta they were awesome, the staff posted all the time, it felt like they listened to feedback, phlogiston ran his awesome twitter, and everyone was super cool. Now almost nobody but Nome posts, and we get stuff like this coming from them. Makes me sad.

_Exodus_
08-06-2011, 04:01 AM
This is such a move in the wrong direction by S2.

NaNNy`
08-06-2011, 04:03 AM
censorship?

no problem sir

EnconHUN
08-06-2011, 04:03 AM
i dont think how everybody remembers but there was a thread:
what's $2's next move
there was a video inside: League of Legends Dominion
what's $2's next move?
REMOVE ALL PICTURES FROM SIGNATURES

MOBAKing
08-06-2011, 04:04 AM
OH NOOOOOOOOOEEEEEESSSS!!!!
(my pro signatures will no longer be apreciated :()
Ouch :X

LOLiSUX
08-06-2011, 04:05 AM
Maliken is the dictator and S2 is his Germany.
We are the jews.

MegaMan_X`
08-06-2011, 04:06 AM
We will never stop spreading the truth about your lies, even if we have to do it with text.

Omn0mn0m
08-06-2011, 04:06 AM
censorship?

no problem sir

I agree with that.
DISABLE ALL SIGNATURES, COME ON, YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT!


On a serious note, which really retarded individual came up with that?

Let us vent, you'll only make it worse.

Pestilence
08-06-2011, 04:08 AM
Your posts are now half less annoying, good for everybody. Waiting untill they remove heroes smileys, though.
agreed.

Lucifer
08-06-2011, 04:12 AM
sup!

Cataclysma
08-06-2011, 04:13 AM
Posting here to check if my signature has been removed, it's important that it stays as it is by far the best signature on the entirety of the HoN forums and possibly the internet itself.

Pro
08-06-2011, 04:13 AM
http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/esakotab/malikenshutdowneverything.jpg

Pro
08-06-2011, 04:14 AM
http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/esakotab/malikenshutdowneverything.jpg

N3k0
08-06-2011, 04:15 AM
Posting in Epic Thread

Eishun
08-06-2011, 04:20 AM
is it really that $2 is censored?

nope :|

SSxSilver
08-06-2011, 04:25 AM
You let that stupid signature mocking disabled people go uncheck for months, but now when people want to call out S2 on EA you abruptly decide to moderate signatures? Unbelievable...

Watduhfok
08-06-2011, 04:26 AM
Simply put, S2 has no idea how to run a company.

If you're a small company, one of the perks is that you have a close relationship with your customers, not constantly pissing them off.

LateFebruary
08-06-2011, 04:29 AM
GG S2. This will solve the real problem.

CRISPYCRAB
08-06-2011, 04:30 AM
Here is hoping that image signatures can be restored in the near future.
I'll try to clarify the situation by addressing some frequent statements:


"I don't see why the signatures in question were against the forum rules"


You are not supposed to call others out on the forums (rule #8). Regardless of the justifications, no one should be ridiculed and degraded in public on this board. The forum rules are meant to ensure that everyone can enjoy visiting this forum and to promote a pleasant posting-environment. I hope you can understand why this is an important goal every community site aspires to.


"But those signatures only contained things S2 said themselves"


It is easy to make someone look bad by using his own words against him. The desired negative implication of those signatures is further emphazised by the use of a trollface/LIARS sign. It does not matter wether S2 "deserves" to be treated like that or not. It is a public degradation that violates the rules. Please understand this. There is nothing wrong with critizism - this is just not an acceptable way to do it.


"I can say whatever i want in my signature!"


Having signatures enabled is a privilege to promote account customisation and meant to be a great tool to enhance the overall forum experience. You can put a clever quote in there, a funny/cool picture or a link to a guide your wrote, etc.. When signatures are used to break the forum rules instead, they do more harm than good and that privilege must be removed (see rule #7).


"But why did you remove all signatures instead of penalizing the ones who abused them?"


Every member of this forum is a customer of S2 as well, so they are very keen on making sure everyone is happy as much as possible. Punishing over 100 people, who were already enraged about the recent changes, did not seem like a good idea to them at that time. While in hindsight it might have been the best course of action, handling a forum community is not always that easy. Part of said community is very sensitive to even slight regulation, ready to start a rebellion at a whim and without much of a cause if need be. So it was decided not to punish anyone, even though they were technically violating the rules. The moderation staff tried to block and remove abusive signatures to resolve the problem without having to penalize anyone. I myself went to great lenghts communicating with those people, but as we see now, our efforts were in vain.



Conclusion






If you want to critizise S2 please do so by contributing to one of the appropriate threads in GD. You will always have the right to voice your opinion. However, you should not spam the forum with a million threads about the same topic or violate the forum rules while you explain your concerns. An intelligent argument speaks much louder than an obnoxious accusation.


If we could manage to voice our critizism in a reasonable way, without disrespect and rudeness, there is a good chance we could get our signatures back.
A lot of people put a lot of work into their own and I hate to see all those unique and awesome signatures disappear.

(Apologies to those who read my recent posts and who are probably thinking I sound like a broken record by now.)




I have genuinely come to believe that you do not possess your own opinion and just bandwagon onto every decision S2 makes in order to hopefully become hired for PR. You're white-knighting to the point where you've become a mindless drone.

Cataclysma
08-06-2011, 04:31 AM
Well, my signature's still there, all is right with the world.

[BRO]STORM REPRESENT

MADNESS7
08-06-2011, 04:32 AM
LOL this is epic

CoolGoose
08-06-2011, 04:34 AM
http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/esakotab/malikenshutdowneverything.jpg
QFT.

haschisch
08-06-2011, 04:35 AM
First of April was four months and four days ago. I really can not comprehend why you enforce consequences for every forum user when some forum users abuse functionality of the forum.
Following you logic in this you could have also made a post like this:


Faithful forum users,

There has been an increase recently in forum posts that are not appropriate. Because of this, we have made the decision to disable the forum completely. We regret that this change is impacting those of you that have not abused the forum and encourage you to continue to discuss through the game client

Ryuukun
08-06-2011, 04:35 AM
lol for real?

Big_Chief
08-06-2011, 04:36 AM
ummmmmmmm?

IMMvp
08-06-2011, 04:39 AM
Time to get a signature against S2.

PlueschLing
08-06-2011, 04:42 AM
sense this does not make.

`Savior
08-06-2011, 04:46 AM
Pathetic.

qazqazqaz
08-06-2011, 04:46 AM
You should have banned them and that's all.

Mlwhisper
08-06-2011, 04:47 AM
how do I post

Dustbin
08-06-2011, 04:48 AM
As if S2 couldn't spit in our faces anymore, why not ban everyone who has naysayed you as well.

Lhune
08-06-2011, 04:48 AM
BB code [url] not allowed.

BB code [img] not allowed.

For ****s sake man. I did nothing wrong. I'm guessing about 5-10% of all signatures had offensive/S2-hating pictures in them so why are you punishing the other 90-95% as well :|.

dEph_
08-06-2011, 04:53 AM
I've been on S2's side for quite a while, throughout all the gameplay changes, ddos attacks, etc. Even f2p I thought was good to bring in more players. I think my support for S2 is at an all time low right now with ea and now this forum signature stuff.

I used to be one of the "trust in S2, they're doing the best they can." I can see what the view of the other side is now. It really feels like being betrayed.

haschisch
08-06-2011, 04:54 AM
It is very very unlikely that this is about the S2-quote-signatures. I bet it is about the gayporn-/****-each-others-face signatures that some douches tended to make yesterday on f2p accounts.
Its not about S2-quotes. Even if it was, the forum has a own quote-function, no one needs a picture for that.

Also this:

haschisch:
First of April was four months and four days ago. I really can not comprehend why you enforce consequences for every forum user when some forum users abuse functionality of the forum.
Following you logic in this you could have also made a post like this:


Faithful forum users,

There has been an increase recently in forum posts that are not appropriate. Because of this, we have made the decision to disable the forum completely. We regret that this change is impacting those of you that have not abused the forum and encourage you to continue to discuss through the game client

haschisch
08-06-2011, 04:54 AM
As if S2 couldn't spit in our faces anymore, why not ban everyone who has naysayed you as well.

It is very very unlikely that this is about the S2-quote-signatures. I bet it is about the gayporn-/****-each-others-face signatures that some douches tended to make yesterday on f2p accounts.
Its not about S2-quotes. Even if it was, the forum has a own quote-function, no one needs a picture for that.
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Aterian
08-06-2011, 04:55 AM
On the one hand, I've had signatures disabled for over a year because of annoying image sigs, so I don't really care. If anything good going since I can turn them back on for a while.

On the other hand, seems like a pretty bad reason to take that away from people who do want them.

Berra_la
08-06-2011, 04:57 AM
Signatures calling S2 this and that were / are so commonplace nobody really cared anyway (at least I didn't). Overall S2 have done a good job, haters just tend to be more vocal.

Whatever the reason for not wanting to punish the forum rule violators are, why not simply disable signatures for those who can't handle the privilege?

I don't suppose there are enough manpower around to manually approve signatures... R.I.P. my sweet angel. Come back soon.

http://www.honarmory.com/sig/670.png

Credge
08-06-2011, 04:59 AM
ummmmmmmm?


4characters

Read what Ninja_Style said.

Dacko
08-06-2011, 05:01 AM
I hate this company a bit more every day.

One lie after another, they just hushing everything up, they don't care about their community, go on Maliken and $2 and soon your game will die. Hopefully. DotA2 can't be worse then HoN anymore. HoN has reached a new low-point.

I really think i could give LoL a try.

ViennaWaits
08-06-2011, 05:03 AM
Who actually gives a ****?
You guys are so worked up, and it's not even because you don't have access to MK, it's because S2 changed business models. You are all feeding off of each others shitty forum posts saying the same thing again and again.

If you are threatening to go to Dota 2, why do you think S2 gives a **** if you are happy or not, you're gonna leave anyway, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Stop complaining for no reason, it really isn't a big deal, and you're beating a dead horse. The funniest posts on these boards are the ones calling S2 retarded, but are typed in broken english that demonstrate everything that is wrong with this community.

It really isn't a big deal that MK isn't available for free yet, who the **** cares if S2 lied, it barely effects you at all. Think about it. Grow up.

Fettlompe
08-06-2011, 05:03 AM
YES, now I can read the forums without having to watch dota2 kids annoying signaturs. TY

08-06-2011, 05:05 AM
Maliken is the dictator and S2 is his Germany.
We are the jews.

Damn! You right bro! ******* Caput!

jk2l
08-06-2011, 05:06 AM
someone got their signature removed?

08-06-2011, 05:07 AM
Simply put, S2 has no idea how to run a company.

If you're a small company, one of the perks is that you have a close relationship with your customers, not constantly pissing them off.

Fully agree with you! +100500

Naxemal
08-06-2011, 05:08 AM
What the flux?!?

Come on that sucks, people enjoyed my sig, made 'em smile. Even I smile everytime I see it. I WANT IT BACK!!

donaldtroll
08-06-2011, 05:12 AM
http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/esakotab/malikenshutdowneverything.jpg

LLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL




true

and it would serve maliken right to be black since he seems to hate them :o

ScarWolf
08-06-2011, 05:13 AM
rofl

FlashWit
08-06-2011, 05:14 AM
After seeing the kind of censorship riot was putting up, I really didn't expect something similar from S2...kinda sad.

08-06-2011, 05:17 AM
a$$2!!! balls to you sir!

WILDDADDY
08-06-2011, 05:18 AM
http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/esakotab/malikenshutdowneverything.jpg

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAh




you sir just made my ****ing month.

Tetheren
08-06-2011, 05:19 AM
Hahahahahaha

Thingdo
08-06-2011, 05:22 AM
What the flux?!?

Come on that sucks, people enjoyed my sig, made 'em smile. Even I smile everytime I see it. I WANT IT BACK!!

This is true. I did always like your sig.

Sakari`
08-06-2011, 05:22 AM
this makes me sad man

08-06-2011, 05:23 AM
My suggestion:

1. Create a lot of free accounts.
2. Enter the game.
3. Destroy any emergence of team play
4. Wait until the A $ $ 2 does not bring back the signature
5. PROFFIT

revan_xp
08-06-2011, 05:24 AM
S2 0 - 1 Rage customers

Don't worry S2. The internet people knows how to spread the word

08-06-2011, 05:26 AM
My suggestion:

1. Create a lot of free accounts.
2. Enter the game.
3. Destroy any emergence of team play
4. Wait until the A $ $ 2 does not bring back the signature
5. PROFFIT

Jeroz
08-06-2011, 05:29 AM
You should have banned them and that's all.

just banned them from the forums until dota2 comes out or something.
those bandwagon haters are getting really annoying right now.

P.S. curious though as to if the change has been implemented already, since I can still see the signatures in this thread.

Octavia
08-06-2011, 05:31 AM
just banned them from the forums until dota2 comes out or something.
those bandwagon fanboys are getting really annoying right now.

P.S. curious though as to if the change has been implemented already, since I can still see the signatures in this thread.
The change just got reverted.

teamofone
08-06-2011, 05:34 AM
I'm sure Dota2 staff are laughing their ass off over this.

Berra_la
08-06-2011, 05:37 AM
For those who can still see images in the signatures, it's just a cashed image. They are disabled.

Vladimir
08-06-2011, 05:40 AM
Pathetic...

Trilok
08-06-2011, 05:45 AM
Such a dick move from $2. And it'll do absolutely nothing as people will just put it in sigs as text.

Pretty sad that little Marc can't take the heat and tries to silence the community by disabling image sigs, closing threads he made himself and moving anything critical of $2 to Non-constructive.

But don't you worry. Your playerbase will pay you back for that kind of mistreatment. I personally won't buy anything from $2 ever again. HoN was fun until you started making retarded decisions. Now you are just trying to ca$h in on us while you still can.

MohJ
08-06-2011, 05:49 AM
This is pretty low, even for you S2.

Fuchsii
08-06-2011, 05:50 AM
kay.

skodgaard
08-06-2011, 05:51 AM
Yes i agree that the main icon on my signature is modified and it shouldn't be, but the text itself is in no way inappropriate, its expressing my opinion with your statements!

HahaYouDied
08-06-2011, 06:06 AM
manual sigs from now on.

:D
__________________
http://i.imgur.com/W1aw5.png

08-06-2011, 06:08 AM
^r^:My suggestion: Create a lot of free accounts,Enter the game,Destroy any of team play,Wait until the A$$ 2 does not bring back the signature,PROFFIT

baho
08-06-2011, 06:16 AM
Oh wow, haven't read the forums since the "f2p" great decision, i see S2 is going from one fukup to another. Grats bro's, nice leadership you got there.

Awan`Afuqya
08-06-2011, 06:22 AM
^:^rMy suggestion: Create a lot of free accounts,Enter the game,Destroy any of team play,Wait until the A$$ 2 does not bring back the signature,PROFFIT
Ruining games for other people is the worst you can do.
It's actually stupid and a waste of time. You won't gain anything from it.

@Topic:
SIGNATURES
BACK
NOW
.

+ Give me my Afghanistan flag, you CHAT SYMBOLs.

Player27
08-06-2011, 06:27 AM
http://i.imgur.com/9jRNv.png

Insaner`
08-06-2011, 06:31 AM
Testing in S2 hate thread

Lanzy
08-06-2011, 06:31 AM
I have noticed a signature on a few different people now stating a quote from S2 last year stating that they will never allow players to purchase an in game advantage and then a quote saying that we can purchase early access.

What confuses me is that the people using this signature seem to believe that they have gone bad on their word about purchasing an in game advantage. If the monkey king was an astronomically powerful hero with a +10 stat gain per level then maybe yes but the fact that he is not (in fact I find him quite weak compared to other agi carries tbh) means there is no advantage. So what I'm getting at is why are people using these retarded signatures? and more to the point, are you actually that stupid to believe it? (I'd love to get an answer from someone actually using one)

CaptainBaddy
08-06-2011, 06:34 AM
Off with their heads! :legi:

RUSty_
08-06-2011, 06:34 AM
you're dumb, yeh i said it and i dont care that it wasnt constructive.
Just because monkeyking isnt the most imba hero in the game doesnt mean the next EA hero wont be imba.

IMMvp
08-06-2011, 06:35 AM
What if the next EA hero is like first version of Silu?

BigBagOCrabs
08-06-2011, 06:36 AM
I've been a huge fan of S2 for the longest time now, but this is the first thing that has made me legitimately mad, this isn't gonna stop me from putting my sig on my posts though
http://s4.postimage.org/a5s6hqs18/crabs_sig.jpg

haschisch
08-06-2011, 06:36 AM
I have noticed a signature on a few different people now stating a quote from S2 last year stating that they will never allow players to purchase an in game advantage and then a quote saying that we can purchase early access.

What confuses me is that the people using this signature seem to believe that they have gone bad on their word about purchasing an in game advantage. If the monkey king was an astronomically powerful hero with a +10 stat gain per level then maybe yes but the fact that he is not (in fact I find him quite weak compared to other agi carries tbh) means there is no advantage. So what I'm getting at is why are people using these retarded signatures? and more to the point, are you actually that stupid to believe it? (I'd love to get an answer from someone actually using one)Are you dumb? Purchasing a hero that is completely over-the-top with his 40.7% wins is clearly an in-game-advantage.

IHitYouHARD
08-06-2011, 06:37 AM
THe issue presented here is debatable: On most occasions the S2 newly released heroes are unbalanced bugged and causes you to insta die when he touches you (remember silhouette?).

Now, it IS selling an advantage because other palyers (legacy) can't play him. We have no idea how to play him or what to exspect from him which makes it incredibly hard to play against him. Just cause you ahvent palyed againsdt some1 who can make efficient use of mokey king, doesnt mean he is underpowered. Once some1 has played him who can make 100% efficent use of MK we will ahve our answer if he is OP or not.

Hope i answered your question.

haschisch
08-06-2011, 06:39 AM
What if the next EA hero is like first version of Silu?What if the next EA hero is like the first version of bloodhunter?

Or better: What if you purchase an EA-hero and your head will explode and you're dead?. S2 killed you then.
What if this and this? What if that and that? What if someone complains about eggs that were never laid?

CrashBashL
08-06-2011, 06:39 AM
because they ARE retarded!!!
simply put.
idiots.
paying for power like , LOL's runes: deffence, armor penetration, more HP, critical dmg+chance was not pay for power, but having the chance to play a hero earlier is pay for power to them. just ignore these idiots. they will never get laid in their life. Maybe just with a virtual Andromeda.
so i tried LOL. i took Dr Mundo. the Other team had another Dr Mundo. but it had 200 HP more compared to me at LVL 1. what is that? and i should be mad about paying to try a hero earlier? haha.
these are kids with low IQ. that sig just got viral and the 12 year old kid thinks he is cool buy wearing it at his sig.

qazqazqaz
08-06-2011, 06:40 AM
Now start banning people posting in their sigs same stuff that pictures had.

Schyzotrop
08-06-2011, 06:40 AM
censorship :D
yet another stupidity by $2

noobscoutKS
08-06-2011, 06:40 AM
Issue is that its a matter of time. Once that time comes the "hurrr new hero" won't get a single nerf till he is/about to be free to play. Honestly, how do you not see this?

Place myrm/silo/bomb/chipper in the monkey king slot and tell me they are not selling an advantage.

noobscoutKS
08-06-2011, 06:42 AM
What if the next EA hero is like the first version of bloodhunter?

Or better: What if you purchase an EA-hero and your head will explode and you're dead?. S2 killed you then.
What if this and this? What if that and that? What if someone complains about eggs that were never laid?
im drunk ass **** and this made no sense, your prolly more retarded than me

edit
1000 games 1700 psr, ya. more retarded than me

Kungrunar
08-06-2011, 06:43 AM
What if the next EA hero is like first version of Silu?
What about waiting till they actually release a hero like that before going apeshit. They've stated that they will be more careful about balancing heroes before they release them now because of the Early Access

Luos`
08-06-2011, 06:44 AM
im drunk ass **** and this made no sense, your prolly more retarded than me

1000 games 1700 psr, ya. more retarded than me

"I'm drunk, this doesn't make sense, clearly it's your fault"

?

Frede121
08-06-2011, 06:44 AM
Our customers are not satisfied and is making bad signatures about us. PUNISH THEM !

S2 GOT THIS !

haschisch
08-06-2011, 06:44 AM
im drunk ass **** and this made no sense, your prolly more retarded than meI am saying that you're all complaining about things that may or may not happen. That's about as intelligent as complaining about dinosaurs coming back to erase humanity.


1000 games 1700 psr, ya. more retarded than meOh no, the PSR flame and it completely destroyed all of my arguments. Duck and cover for me I guess. I really should play more public games so this does not happen anymore.

DeathCult
08-06-2011, 06:45 AM
S2 wants to prove how much of a failed Public Relations they have with its player base by removing images from signatures.