The OFFICIAL DOTA2 Thread

[Drasha]

This thread is for any thing related to dota2. Please keep all hands and feet inside the thread at all times and resist the urge to throw your fellow passengers out of the tram.

[TheWarrent]

You opened a box of SC2 to play DoTA 2?

[sushi_x]

I know some people who bought WC3 just for DotA, so it makes sense that some people don't care about SC2, just DotA 2.

[jorge69696]

I know some people who bought WC3 just for DotA, so it makes sense that some people don't care about SC2, just DotA 2.

But DotA 2.0 is already out. We are playing it.

[pMd_]

are you guys thinking that dota 2 is gonna be a custom map for SC2?
its not... at least as far as rumors have it its gonna be a stand allone game from valve and icefrog.

[pakoito]

http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/09/30/team-fortress-2-now-selling-items-for-real-money-massive-update-just-launched/

Nos extrapolate that to the new DOTA 2 game. Buyin' heros! Buyin' Skins! Unlocked stuff! Exchange heros!


And it's truly plausible and profitable because Riot is riding a bike made of diamond!!!

[rickster]

If Valve sets up the game like that, I think the 2 in DotA 2, will stand for sh*t.

[coolmans]

it begins

[Yoekix]

it begins

Don't cry

(i couldn't let the chance go for a damn ffx reference :p)

anyway on topic, i will see what they would do with it, you can get all the items ingame without buying them, it just takes more time and some crafting, besides in the FAQ they said that crafted items should be better then those from the catalog

[Mellow]

And it's truly plausible and profitable because Riot is riding a bike made of diamond!!!
Not sure how serious this is, for the past few months Riot has been giving their champions ridiculously high prices to make people buy them with money because they're lacking income

[ProfessorOak]

I've played a lot more TF2 than I have HON. Adding micro transactions really puts me off playing, can't be arsed with Valve any more. I've bought the game (twice), now I'm expected to pay extra to remain competitive? I don't care about hats, as they are aesthetic only and free but this just seems silly.

Valve could make a really good DotA clone, but if they add microtransactions I'm not going to buy it.

[Randomguy360]

wait, this is for real?

gg valve, gg.

[jorge69696]

you can get all the items ingame without buying them, it just takes more time and some crafting,
"Some items can never be found or crafted, only bought"

[Anchovies]

wow, so they went down the road of LoL... guess it must a pretty lucrative business model then.

[coolmans]

wow, so they went down the road of LoL... guess it must a pretty lucrative business model then.

actually human nature.

[PROc]

Q: Will I have to spend money to remain competitive?

A: No. Any items affecting gameplay, and even most purely cosmetic items, will still be obtainable simply by playing the game.

Chill out guys its just skins. Taken from the FAQ on the TF2 Blog. You also can't really ***** too much at valve. They have been updating that game so much since release for no monthly subs and claim they will keep doing it.

[Sir_Josh]

OH GOD WHY VALVE.

why...

[JOSHPFANBOY]

Why are you kids complaining over the TF2 cash shop.

The only **** thing about this update is the fact the sets require a hat for the set bonus, when hats shouldn't help give stats in anyway possible.

If they didn't open the cash shop, people would sell **** on ebay. Also, the vanilla items rock every other item, none of the new items are better then past items, or vanilla.

Even then, the new items will be banned in competitively play for awhile, and pubs hardly matter.

[Zasus]

OH GOD WHY VALVE.

why...


http://thepilver.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/100_dollar_bill.jpg

says hi

[Sir_Josh]

Hello.

[uhhhahhhohah]

still ****in ultimate lollin' at the people who think gaben is going to let icefrog do whatever he wants and release a more or less identical dota game like s2 has

[Q_efx]

most people I know play lol, not HoN, cause well its free. And it lacks a way to buy it at your local store. Which isnt given on F2P games. you register, download, play and later (maybe) pay.

Thats how they make money. And F2P is the future. Lets face it. Even Blizzard is "thinking" about to make WoW F2P if it goes down the drain ( in 2020 i guess after the 20th expansion is out :) )

[Gohka]

most people I know play lol, not HoN, cause well its free. And it lacks a way to buy it at your local store. Which isnt given on F2P games. you register, download, play and later (maybe) pay.

Thats how they make money. And F2P is the future. Lets face it. Even Blizzard is "thinking" about to make WoW F2P if it goes down the drain ( in 2020 i guess after the 20th expansion is out :) )
WoW, Chieftains Lament.

[Tyrael]

General Discussion - "Discussion forum for all things HoN".

Yes it's big news, yes there's controversy, yeah I'm sure S2 will answer us with a Sticky once everything is sorted out, No S2 is not going anywhere and neither is HoN.

Stop making thread upon thread wondering if Icefrog killed Dumbledore, or if he shot before Greedo did, or if he built the pyramids before the Egyptians.

It's really sad that the playdota forums are all talking about DotA1 and balance still and there's literally like 2-3 threads on DotA2, where the HoN forums have an entire page or two of DotA 2 threads and Icefrog conspiracies.

Tl;dr, Icefrog's making DotA2, Big freakin' deal. :madm:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=990
Have fun.

[grimzor]

because we love the e-drama

[SkyHeroMZ]

Everything they promised in Dota 2, Hon has them all, and even more~~

"in game voice chat will be added" wtf? every game has voicechat now

"the game is the same but prettier" can it be more pretty than Hon?

"all dota heroes" omg... 5 carries team ftw.. the imbaness of dota carries

[DankySkunk]

Holy **** theres gunna be dota 2? **** hon lol

[Gajun]

You just made another thread about DotA 2! Congrats!

[elemntZ]

when are they porting lycan?

[Cycore]

NEED MORE DOTA2 THREADS
http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/10/13/dota-2-announced-details.aspx?resubmit
http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/10/13/dota-2-announced-details.aspx?resubmit
http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/10/13/dota-2-announced-details.aspx?resubmit

[Dupster]

General Discussion - "Discussion forum for all things HoN".

Yes it's big news, yes there's controversy, yeah I'm sure S2 will answer us with a Sticky once everything is sorted out, No S2 is not going anywhere and neither is HoN.

Stop making thread upon thread wondering if Icefrog killed Dumbledore, or if he shot before Greedo did, or if he built the pyramids before the Egyptians.

It's really sad that the playdota forums are all talking about DotA1 and balance still and there's literally like 2-3 threads on DotA2, where the HoN forums have an entire page or two of DotA 2 threads and Icefrog conspiracies.

Tl;dr, Icefrog's making DotA2, Big freakin' deal. :madm:

This thread is the definition of Irony.

[NitroS]

dota made 102 heroes in steam in a year, its taken hon nearly 4 years to make 60 something.

[CartEr`]

"the game is the same but prettier" can it be more pretty than hon?

If the in-game graphics are even 10% of the concept arts: Yes.

[rss]

Was that a keylogger / virus or anything?
Not gonna post link for obvious reasons..

I'm scanning and what not now.

[LikeABoss]

This was released and well...

http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/10/13/dota-2-announced-details.aspx

Sorry HoN. I'm getting this.

I still love HoN but if this is how it's being told I'm def getting.

[AlcaponeYou]

http://icefrogtruth.blogspot.com/

[Minty]

My god? Why isnt the forum riddled with this information already?

[LikeABoss]

http://icefrogtruth.blogspot.com/

Wow.

[IMMvp]

New bottles old wine.

[Pyrate]

They need to put the 'New Thread' button at the bottom of the page, that way people have to scroll down pass the 10 threads that are already up on their thread topic

[IMMvp]

Ive read the news:
http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/10/13/dota-2-announced-details.aspx

What i can deduct from it, there is nothing special.

They havent mentioned any form of reconnect, (is there even a stat system)

Also they mentioned wanting a matchmaking system, but no info about how they wanted to measure skill in their game.

Also while the concept arts are cool, its not how they are gonna look ingame, you can even re-skin them (probably through forum trolling and DLC) Artworks can always look impressive, but the way they look in engines is different.

The only strength it haves to me is the big chunk of heroes.


Is there anything special i have missed, or are 80% of all the bang-wagoner´s just incredibly biased?

Perhaps we gotta wait 6 months for any real info about the game.

[ObiTuarY]

im really sorry but i have to agree with OP

[ROMA]

Port morphling :D

[IHitYouHARD]

Wasting my time on DotA while I could be discussing HoN. :madm:

[Allnighte]

i dont really care, but we DO have an offtopic forum

and guess what dota 2 is in comparison to hon? offtopic.

there's also valve forums, dota forums, and countless dota fan forums. go post there.

[Tamachan]

Can't wait for Dota2 1/5 for effort.

[Pyrate]

mods need to start handing out bans. They should have been closing tonnes of the threads as well. Its pretty stupid that in one day we have 20 threads on the same topic.

[Kokuyo]

Signed.

[IMMvp]

Its hard to decide if people are stupid or just trolling at this point. close them all.

Lock all threads with names involving DotA and 2 for 2 days.

[Kokuyo]

Close threads with Icefrog, DotA, Valve, DotA 2, LoL and Riot in their names. Or move them to off topic.

[D`Pak]

Quite frankly, the number of HoN players is very low, a large part due to the lack of advertising from S2. However, with Valve's resources, DotA perhaps now has the capacity to evolve into a full fledged e-sport. Maybe its a good thing icefrog left s2?

[Intro]

icefrog left s2

Aha.

[Cottonface]

Why are everyone saying that the number of hon players are low? Haver you ever had trouble finding a game?

[IHitYouHARD]

:madm:Come on! Ban those stupid posts... lock them or move them to the off topic section. I want to have HoN stuff not DotA.. PLEASE:madm:

[Big_Chief]

i'll second that

[Sphinxz]

What we need is an open discussion on what direction DotA 2 will take and how that is gonna affect our much beloved game, HoN. A lot of those posts arent "stupid", DotA 2 will effectively have an impact on HoN and therefore it is related. Im happy those threads arent getting censored, discussion is needed if you want the best for the game. :)

[jorge69696]

Hey sups guys, look what I just found: http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/10/13/dota-2-announced-details.aspx

[RagingBantha]

same posts happened when SC2 came out 'zomg gg hon , hon is dead' etc in the next 2 years till dota2 is released people will have plenty time to see what S2 adds and the direction valve takes.

[IHitYouHARD]

Hey sups guys, look what I just found: http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/10/13/dota-2-announced-details.aspx

Troll somewhere else you spastic little kid.

[Dupster]

Troll somewhere else you spastic little kid.

You do realise your thread IS a dota2 related topic?

[IHitYouHARD]

You do realise your thread IS a dota2 related topic?

In the way that I want them all banned then yes.


Discussing DotA2, no.


BVan this thread as well. I don't care I don't want to see them anymore

[coolmans]

i will open a new one.

[Dupster]

In the way that I want them all banned then yes.


Discussing DotA2, no.


BVan this thread as well. I don't care I don't want to see them anymore

Your thread is enabling others to discuss DotA 2.

Hey while we are on the topic, Fish what do you think you will do when DotA2 comes out? Like are you planning on buying it or staying in HoN? Personally I think HoN will be a lot better come 12 months time, with a lot more heros and items to make sure they are a solid competitor.

[IHitYouHARD]

i will open a new one.

Do it.

[Ol`Yojimbo]

I'm having trouble finding RD games actually. Was a popular game mode back in DotA, unsure why HoN players dislike it.

[Scope]

I'm having trouble finding RD games actually. Was a popular game mode back in DotA, unsure why HoN players dislike it.

THIS.

[AnalogyShark]

Because BD is pretty much the same, but cleanses out the OP obvious first picks.

This totally needed another thread, by the way.

[B4M53F4R]

Maybe its a good thing icefrog left s2?
winquote :D

[D`Pak]

Why are everyone saying that the number of hon players are low? Haver you ever had trouble finding a game?


It's not about finding a game. It's about making it have enough players to attract sponsorship, funds, and generate interest, improving the genre altogether. Not to mention, allowing to become a fully fledged e-sport.

[WorstPlayer]

Heard Dota 2 = Dota = HoN?

[Sonicle]

In the early hours the servers (europe) are pretty much dead.

Bnet DotA was 24/7

[Dominare]

Move to a better continent.

[Allnighte]

i play almost exclusively SD and RD, and never have problems joining or making games

and i play at NON peak hours. right now there is HALF the max number of players that are on during the weekend in the US

[Sonicle]

Move to a better continent.

Most likely the same problem will occur across all timezones.

[Nasty``]

Bnet DotA was 24/7...

... full of retard scrubs who just played dota because there were no AOS games up

[GreyKnight]

Bnet DotA was 24/7

For those unfamiliar with BNet mannerisms, that 24/7 means "24 games in a row, we had 7 leavers"

[Balinottero]

Well point is this is not a game for noobs... I ve never played dota but playing hon since last august with mentoring of a friend who was Dota player... The point is this is an EXCLUSIVE game... A boy or man who buy this game will be enter inside Inferno, cause if u dont know mechanics, issues, tricks&tracks, Items to purchase and their situationals buying and a good part of hero pool skills (however all those things that may allow u to be a "decent" player, as like me) u will be just slaughtered, offended, tagged as incompetent and u will die die and die again. Its not a game that is easy to master on start and those ridicolous tutorial and Hints really dont help a noob. Exclusive game, thats the point, for the Old Dota's Guards and men guided by em in this game. cause we know more or less how to play and we know is a good game, but for larger groups of players something like "THE GAME THAT CANNOT BE NAMED HERE" may appear more suitable

[Sonicle]

... full of retard scrubs who just played dota because there were no AOS games up

Never seen a wc3 AOS map.

From each game you learn new words, HoN is the official scrub game :)


For those unfamiliar with BNet mannerisms, that 24/7 means "24 games in a row, we had 7 leavers"

Or don't be stupid and play on Bot hosted games which recorded stats, had zero lag and would ban IP & Account name if leave stats got to low. (60%)

[Yoekix]

i think the real question is if valve will release a world editor were we can wait ages for.

[TripleGoran]

Finding games on the east coast is a *****, especially in off hours.

[D`Pak]

After you hit 1800 PSR, its very difficult to find 1700+/1800+ games outside of peak playing times.

[FANAT1C]

Since DotA 2 has been announced with matchmaking and all DotA heroes and items I think S2 has about 6 months to port over remaining heroes / get the roster up to 100+ with original ideas. I don't see much progress on that.

What do you think?

[Drasha]

http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time

[JohnnyDrama]

I think DotA 2 wont be out until at least 2011 Q4 so this is a stupid thing to be discussing.

[Rordarok]

I think HoN will always beat DotA2. I'm not feeling worried about it.

[FANAT1C]

fine.. about 12 months. team matchmaking and achievements were "coming soon" after release too but i dont see them here yet.

[FavoIRL]

open the Forum and baaaaam

23938948372 Dota2 Threads


:madm:

[Onkelffs]

Yeah, because all 101 DOTA heroes is significantly played due to the awesome balance.

I don't see DotA 2 as a threat at this moment, neither to heroes of newerth or league of legends.

I'm not a friend of the Source engine either really. Wait and see. Just wait and see.

EDIT: Will be nice that the crying *****es leave though.

[Rordarok]

I know. But now we're gonna get 10000 of these threads. Making another problem won't solve the other ;).

[Alstander]

I think they need to add something to this whole lvling system ( which is none existens). Something like titles/skins/taunts that unlocks by lvl. I know they said that they will make it possible for players who didnt pre-order to get the taunt abillity and also that they will add skins, i just think this could be a good way of doing so.

[xDBenga]

Its gonna be better, none can balance the game like Icefrog, its his map he knows best + graphics will be little better then dota but little less good like in hon but rly who cares, gameplay counts

[FANAT1C]

Yeah, because all 101 DOTA heroes is significantly played due to the awesome balance.

I don't see DotA 2 as a threat at this moment, neither to heroes of newerth or league of legends.

I'm not a friend of the Source engine either really. Wait and see. Just wait and see.


dont get me wrong, I am quite pleased with HoN as a game and certainly don't regret money spent on it. I would have pre-purchased had it been 50$.

While not all dota heroes are played, there are quite a few interesting ones that i would like to see. enchantress, windrunner, drow... to name a few.

also, i think uve had a bad experience with the source engine, but i have thoroughly enjoyed games on it. they look good and run great on all platforms.

I am also curious to see how dota 2 handles the community. i am very disappointed with the hon community because a good part of it is a bunch of douches who are ready to start griefing and stat farming the moment the game goes bad.

[sneo]

Dota2 will roflstomp HoN so bad.

[Lonxo]

Error, puted the same thread twise

here:




http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=174332

[Evincar]

yea, cuz there is no way that this system will fail...or be abused....and while i do think it is a good idea, seems very hard to actually pull off.

[Lonxo]

"Finally, a coaching system is being deeply integrated into the game. By logging in as a coach, veteran players can do their part to help out newer folks. Valve hasn't entirely decided on the specifics of how newbies and coaches will be matched up, but once they're together a few things happen. The coach sees the pupil's screen, and gets private voice and chat channels to communicate with them. The coach probably won't be able to take control of anything directly (once again, the details are currently under discussion), but information is power in Dota 2 and having a mentor whispering in your ear can make all the difference in the world."
taken from HERE (http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/10/13/dota-2-announced-details.aspx)

Integrating a Noob-friendly environment was suggeted many times in general and suggestions forum, still we dont have anything that could aproach.

Many gaming web pages thought HoN was a great competitive game, but the lack of noob-friendly stuff that could improove someones gaming skill (converted into noobs ruining a game and people raging and calling them names) made a possible 9/10 score turn into a 6.5-7.5 over 10 score.

This is reflected in the usual QQ threads in the forum.

I bet that implementing advance tutorials, coach system with rewards for the coach, a challenge mode where you are given certain objectives against an AI controlled enemy; to name a few could increase drastically HoNs player base and obviouslly the peoples overview of this great game.

S2 should take concern about this matter.

discuss :blac:

[Piercetech]

yeah...this topic really needed its own thread, the other 5 million dota 2 threads weren't enough

[Mopez]

These threads are getting annoying. Why cant there be 2 action-rts games ? There are 2 soccer games, FIFA and PES, and both are pretty successful ...

[Fire_G_G]

Yeah.

Noob - Ok, now i got a coach, so mate tell me what to do.
Coach - Ok, but first...I put on my robe and wizard hat.....

[Mopez]

Yeah.

Noob - Ok, now i got a coach, so mate tell me what to do.
Coach - Ok, but first...I put on my robe and wizard hat.....

Oh wow, hilarious ! :D

[MsPudding]

There are a number of things in the works to make this game more approachable for newbies :) Help is on the way!

[Lonxo]

i posted the same thread twise, now fixed.

[Zennousha]

The only problem with this lies again within the community. I'd say the people that realize they know little and want to work towards getting better are a VERY niche portion of the community. The majority is sadly the people that know maybe a few things, but have the ignorance that they know everything and don't need to be told what to do.

[HugoStiglitz]

I love how people think (S2 Read Please) matters at all when posting a topic.

[cheami]

s2games is a joke, stop taking them seriously.

[Lonxo]

The only problem with this lies again within the community. I'd say the people that realize they know little and want to work towards getting better are a VERY niche portion of the community. The majority is sadly the people that know maybe a few things, but have the ignorance that they know everything and don't need to be told what to do.

im one of them, and yes we are a few but still, this few could learn and be better. Better players = less raging

[Tumon]

The HoN community isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Whenever my team gets a newer player(in matchmaking) we've always been helpful to them so they can at least contribute more.

[Mazinkaiser]

We already have a coaching system implemented in HON

its called go on voice chat and call everyone a n***** :)

[emKill]

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa28/foxyroxy237237/shit2.jpg

[MsPudding]

I said it in the other thread (which was the duplicate), and I'll say it again here: There are a number of things in the works to make this game more noob-friendly, some of which are similar to the ideas you describe. :P

[YawningAngel]

I can spectate a game while on vent with you and tell you what you're doing wrong anyway. I fail to see why adding this as a feature will make much of a difference.

[SmokeShow]

Once Valve releases Dota 2, HoN is going to be the next LoL.

The only thing HoN has going for it is the UN PARALLELED server setup. No lag is beautiful!

I won't tolerate lag no matter how good graphics etc. etc. Lag trumps all!

[PsychoClown]

the problem are not the people who realize they suck and actually want coaching, the problem are the countless 16xx and 17xx who think they are actually good, and those aren't gonna want coaching

[Emptronic]

Steam probably won't have dedicated servers hosting dota2 games.

User hosted games are clearly the way to go!



sup laggy ass dota? how u doin? brasil host US game?



Screw that.

[TRYTROUSERS]

hon already has a tutorial, its calld playing deadwood. drop roots from fog, hit r, win. noobs can gain confidence and enhanced scores by playing this hero and eventually graduate to other heros.

[Fire_G_G]

Yeah.

Noob - Ok, now i got a coach, so mate tell me what to do.
Coach - Ok, but first...I put on my robe and wizard hat.....

Dulicate post.

[TazzKeKo]

I'm quite low skill wise at HoN, but i am willing to improve and i can listen to people who can actually help you without the rage ^^.Anyone care to help?

[FiddleStiX]

Yay, dota 2 on steam. so ampt for that. oh wai-

Lets just look @ MW2. Nuff said.

[Xtermi]

How i get a warning on the forum for having Shakira's ass as a signature and Cheami still isn't banned from the forums for posting in every thread just to say S2 is sh*t is beyond me, but onto the topic, there are lots of things to help noobs, there's a TON of guides about pretty much everything, i never played Dota so i read those guides and watched good people play, and though i'm still Bad, there are much worse people out there. You don't need a specific person telling you what to do, if people don't wanna read\watch what's available now, it's because they don't wanna learn.

[inVincible_]

Yay, dota 2 on steam. so ampt for that. oh wai-

Lets just look @ MW2. Nuff said.

Implying Valve developed MW2 lolololol.

[Seektruth]

Here are my thoughts:

1st, HoN is going to pick up a lot of areas in development, that is why Maliken made a post for the community. S2 is a great company, and good at what they do. They raised the bar for what a good DOTA game should be. I think when DOTA 2 releases we will see a drop of players, but I think in due time people will either play both, or just stick to 1. As far a lot of features HON has to offer, this game is brand new, and still has potential for growing.

The negative in this community of course is and will always be the Trolls, and elitists who are negative in game and in the forums. Yes it can be entertaining, but I hate hearing and reading stupid posts, lack of moderation for this and sick of it. If this would get dealt with better, like implementing a player karma like x box live the community could slowly get a shift of positive responses and remarks from others and be more known for a GOOD GAME and FRIENDLY PLAYERS. Yes, we have stats tracker for leavers and EM'ers but that is not good enough for the ones that deserve to be known as annoying raging/whining people to play with. What new players want to deal with those kind of players? I know when I started I hated anyone that said STFU NOOB, and had to learn this whole game from good players and anyone willing to show me some tips. I’m sure a new player would enjoy the warm welcome and friendly environment HON could offer, but doesn’t. Everyone knows that people who play HON are automatically stereotyped a troll, rager or flamer, which won't bring new people in so easily as other games.

Part 2:

What Steam client has to offer is so much more than battle.net and also the HoN client. The way it is already set up for any game is very easy to keep in touch with people outside of game via buddy list and seeing what they are playing (like x fire) Also the feature they announced upgrading the Source Engine has me interested on how the engine will surpass HoN's engine that is already beautifully rendered. As far as the DOTA concept goes, the heroes will look similar and upgraded, but the metagame it is now will shift into the revamped DOTA 2. Regardless if the hugest portion players are from Asia or Europe, Steam is world renowned, and if fans have illegal copies or bought WC3, they will definitely want to purchase DOTA 2 because it is their game being revamped just like SC2 is, and how Diablo III will be.

What really is making people worry/excited/interested in this rivalry coming is Valve's promise to deliver this new product and features by 2011, and people in the forums saying "LOL THIS MEANS 2013", “ICEFROG SUCKS”. But the fact is, when it releases, when they get it working, I'm pretty sure it will be impressive, regardless of all these facts/rumors/truth about Icefrog and S2 and all of that drama about development and rights. Not only does Valve release SDK resources to make your own mods, but you can pretty much make whatever you want with it such as maps, mods, heroes, items, blah blah, just like CS mods and whatever people play. Think about how easy it will be for the DOTA fans to re-create maps they made/played and enjoy the Devo Wars and Naruto stuff.

Long story short, Steam already has the technology and plan to implement everything into this new game that will be a huge rivalry against S2. Yes, we will lose players, and yes people will play both, or switch over to DOTA2 completely, but it’s up to what S2 can really come up with and dish out to us in the future.

Yes, HON is a bad ass game, and so is DOTA. It honestly comes down to how both companies are going to make it better than the other. The fact is when DOTA releases regardless of the heroes; it will have the edge on fan base, advertising, technology, mod/editing, graphics, and all these ways of helping new players out. HON has already done that since it came out, so honestly it’s a matter of strategy…

In 6 months I can see large updates and quick fixes to a lot of players complaints, suggestions, and busting ass to stay on top of the DOTA style game that is sweeping the video game genre. Hopefully too, we will see big shifts in development from S2 and also figuring a way to make the game better and bigger.

[Fenix]

I can spectate a game while on vent with you and tell you what you're doing wrong anyway. I fail to see why adding this as a feature will make much of a difference.

Then you're having a very hard time seeing outside the box.


Spectators are not wanted by teams to be in there to try and help one of the teams players. In fact, spectators are banned from pug games because players don't want the other team cheating.

The coaching system does not work like spectators do, anyways. They have private camera view of Only the player they are coaching and have private chat only with the player as well. I can even imagine that all other forms of ingame chat are impossible to do while in the process of coaching.

However, Valves process of doing this would probably be more beneficial in Dota2 than HoN anyways, because Steamworks has multiple processes in the works like skin upgrades, even just plain old achievements that you could get for multiple coaching experiences.

So even if we did have the proper system in place, the only player being rewarded is the player himself.

[emKill]

wait... for 1 year?
like wait for at least a screenshot from dota2?
what are you? nostradamus?
gtfo

[Seektruth]

wait... for 1 year?
like wait for at least a screenshot from dota2?
what are you? nostradamus?
gtfo


yeah I am Nostradamus Jr.

Please read the title. Thanks.

[Emptronic]

Then you're having a very hard time seeing outside the box.


Spectators are not wanted by teams to be in there to try and help one of the teams players. In fact, spectators are banned from pug games because players don't want the other team cheating.

The coaching system does not work like spectators do, anyways. They have private camera view of Only the player they are coaching and have private chat only with the player as well. I can even imagine that all other forms of ingame chat are impossible to do while in the process of coaching.

However, Valves process of doing this would probably be more beneficial in Dota2 than HoN anyways, because Steamworks has multiple processes in the works like skin upgrades, even just plain old achievements that you could get for multiple coaching experiences.

So even if we did have the proper system in place, the only player being rewarded is the player himself.

Great post.

Angel was clearly close-minded concerning the coaching system valve has in mind.

This illustrates why.

[Nydus]

yeah I am Nostradamus Jr.

Please read the title. Thanks.

wait... the title says nothing about you being Nostradamus Jr...

and as for the poor community, elitists, and trolls, etc... do you not think they'll be in DotA 2? Where do you think they all came from? Did you even play DotA?

And do you even realize how absurd your statements are? Most of your comments are just stating eventualities like "I think when DOTA 2 releases we will see a drop of players, but I think in due time people will either play both, or just stick to 1." (there is no other option, unless you think that an exciting new game coming out will make people quit HoN in favor of not playing either game) or "It honestly comes down to how both companies are going to make it better than the other" (again, no other option)

and the stuff that isnt just saying truths is just huge, groundless speculation... so yeah... why make this topic?

[Seektruth]

wait... the title says nothing about you being Nostradamus Jr...

and as for the poor community, elitists, and trolls, etc... do you not think they'll be in DotA 2? Where do you think they all came from? Did you even play DotA?

And do you even realize how absurd your statements are? Most of your comments are just stating eventualities like "I think when DOTA 2 releases we will see a drop of players, but I think in due time people will either play both, or just stick to 1." (there is no other option, unless you think that an exciting new game coming out will make people quit HoN in favor of not playing either game) or "It honestly comes down to how both companies are going to make it better than the other" (again, no other option)

and the stuff that isnt just saying truths is just huge, groundless speculation... so yeah... why make this topic?

Please read the title thanks

[Seektruth]

wait... the title says nothing about you being Nostradamus Jr...

and as for the poor community, elitists, and trolls, etc... do you not think they'll be in DotA 2? Where do you think they all came from? Did you even play DotA?

And do you even realize how absurd your statements are? Most of your comments are just stating eventualities like "I think when DOTA 2 releases we will see a drop of players, but I think in due time people will either play both, or just stick to 1." (there is no other option, unless you think that an exciting new game coming out will make people quit HoN in favor of not playing either game) or "It honestly comes down to how both companies are going to make it better than the other" (again, no other option)

and the stuff that isnt just saying truths is just huge, groundless speculation... so yeah... why make this topic?

I think when DOTA 2 releases we will see a drop of players, but I think in due time people will either play both, or just stick to 1."

Yes because, people will play DOTA 2 and see if they like it or not, so just like when SC2 came out, we saw a drop of players, but they eventually came back to HON, soo you just answered my question.

Also, my opinions are related to the detailed gameinformer announcment valve has announced, not speculated assumptions.

[facedown]

Valve will certainly introduce the game to many, many 10 to 12 year olds. I expect there will be a huge influx of people that have never played this type of game, there-bye making it unbearable for anyone that has any experience with this type of game.

I also expect they will not only charge for the game but it will also have micro transactions, just like TF2 is now.

If the game is going to be any good or not is just conjecture until people can actually play it.

I also predict a large group of people wanting S2 heroes ported into he game. I expect they will act like the group of people now asking for DotA ports in the HoN forums, spamming the same crap over and over.

[footstool]

they already have an engine to put the game so i dont think it will be released in 2013, maybe 2012 at the latest.

it's going to be more popular just because of the name. most dota players will probably switch over who didnt switch to hon. there will be more competition.

i think it's good because it makes the companies compete for making the better game but dota is going to have ALL of the dota heroes on release. i've been waiting for certain heroes since beta and they never came. ppl already love dota, can u imagine when they see they can buy a game that has better graphics with the same heroes and a better interface? there's no way they will switch to hon considering they haven't already. dota 2 is definitely going to be the bigger game.

[Seektruth]

Valve will certainly introduce the game to many, many 10 to 12 year olds. I expect there will be a huge influx of people that have never played this type of game, there-bye making it unbearable for anyone that has any experience with this type of game.

I also expect they will not only charge for the game but it will also have micro transactions, just like TF2 is now.

If the game is going to be any good or not is just conjecture until people can actually play it.

I also predict a large group of people wanting S2 heroes ported into he game. I expect they will act like the group of people now asking for DotA ports in the HoN forums, spamming the same crap over and over.


lol, that would be funny...hon ports...how would that be possible? S2 would have to give permission right?

[WwD]

Valve will certainly introduce the game to many, many 10 to 12 year olds. I expect there will be a huge influx of people that have never played this type of game, there-bye making it unbearable for anyone that has any experience with this type of game.

I also expect they will not only charge for the game but it will also have micro transactions, just like TF2 is now.

If the game is going to be any good or not is just conjecture until people can actually play it.

I also predict a large group of people wanting S2 heroes ported into he game. I expect they will act like the group of people now asking for DotA ports in the HoN forums, spamming the same crap over and over.
They are planning to add coaching and interactive guides as part of the game for newer players so this could actually be less of a problem. And unfortunately I doubt they can ever port the original S2 heroes.

[Mazinkaiser]

game wont be out for like 2 years.

lol, valve time :chro:

[footstool]

who cares about s2 heroes... garbage heroes with no originality really.

[Seektruth]

game wont be out for like 2 years.

lol, valve time :chro:

Valve time is probably created by a internet Troll

At the latest the game would release early 2012 1st quarter, I'd assume they would get close to release 4th quarter of 2011.


What about Blizzard time, how is that calculated?

Don't believe everything you read on the internet now sir.:succ:

[Seektruth]

who cares about s2 heroes... garbage heroes with no originality really.


Yeah right, some of them are classic meme's like :blac:.

:engi: is one of my fav s2 creations.

[Talesavo]

I shall play the superior game, like any discerning consumer should.

[facedown]

lol, that would be funny...hon ports...how would that be possible? S2 would have to give permission right?

They could not and I doubt S2 would give them permission. The fact that S2 can not port anymore DotA heroes has not stopped people from starting a new thread everyday on the subject.

[Seektruth]

I shall play the superior game, like any discerning consumer should.


Same boat!

[paddN_]

and block them for the rest of the forum....


/thanks

[Mazinkaiser]

sub-forum title suggestions:

IceFrog Fanboys

I wanna get banned

:)

[paddN_]

thanks for your gayboy input <3

[impuls3]

:madm:

+1

[BlackKhes]

and block them for the rest of the forum....


/thanks

Perfect suggestion!

thanks for your gayboy input <3
You are one of those "gay for icefrog"boys.
DotA is a separate game, It'll make no difference once it is launched.

[Mazinkaiser]

Valve time is probably created by a internet Troll


LOL, guess you didn't wait for TF2's release, huh?

Even the beta got delayed XD

[RUSty_]

I see a large player base moving from HoN to try DotA2 while HoN will experience a new influx of players. I don't see HoN "dying out" at all. And if it turns out HoN is the superior game then its just been a big lot of free advertising to HoN. Everyone is asking the question "will DotA 2 match up to HoN", some will assume it will without asking but already the fact that HoN is put on the same pedestal as the 2nd coming of DotA, only favors s2.

[xDBenga]

Please read the title thanks

Look man from your post is clearly that you are not a troller kid who cant masturbate right

I liked this post and U said it all, I played dota myself for 6 years and DOTA 2 will be everything we want from game like this

+ pople will mass play it and hon will have lik 15k players online per day, that are my views

[TRiX33]

valve will fix it

[Seektruth]

Look man from your post is clearly that you are not a troller kid who cant masturbate right

I liked this post and U said it all, I played dota myself for 6 years and DOTA 2 will be everything we want from game like this

+ pople will mass play it and hon will have lik 15k players online per day, that are my views


lol troller kid, thanks!

[Seektruth]

valve will fix it


Maybe, we will see

[meowx]

1st. No GAMEPLAY = HoN wins
2nd still no gameplay why judge concept art

[Seektruth]

1st. No GAMEPLAY = HoN wins
2nd still no gameplay why judge concept art


1st. I did not judge gameplay, I am discussing rivarly with S2 and Valve DoTA advantages and disadvantages.

2nd. Gameplay is going to be DOTA how is that hard to understand.

3rd. You said the samething twice

[Ishmeister]

I think what people tend to forget is that the players of HoN are mostly old DOTA players. Why we haven´t gone back to DOTA is because of its engine. However, I know for a fact that I personally miss A LOT from DOTA, especially heroes. Also, I have been very frustrated with HoN lately in regards to balance (chalice anyone?).

What S2 must do is to up their game. We need more frequent updates. No more broken patches! More heroes! DOTA has almost (or maybe more, I don´t know the exact number) twice as much heroes as HoN. Saying that "well, HoN hasn't been out for that long" doesn't work because people WON'T CARE. When DOTA2 is released people will chose and stay with the better game.

Furthermore comparing DOTA2 and HoN with Warhammer Online and WoW is stupid because DOTA is the game to beat. Right now, if DOTA had the same engine as HoN people would without a doubt play DOTA. Sure, we might miss some things like maybe pandamonium however, there are a lot more heroes that I would rather have from DOTA.

S2, you gotta step it up. You know it as well as I do.

Peace

[boombaclock]

umad :Hack:

[superboyy]

obama got involved?

[NagiSoi]

obama got involved?

Seems they gonna change kongor into Obama who hits you with the bill of rights and slaps you with a kfc.

[MegaMan_X`]

obama got involved?


Yea I hear Maliken, icefrog, and Obama are getting together for a beer.

[Mazinkaiser]

So in this analogy... icefrog is that hack who steals peoples ideas and sells it off? :poll:

[boombaclock]

get good, S2

[wardsareasin]

will annoyingly long titles.

Edit: HoN and DotA 2 are like a deck of cards, they share similarities at the base level, maps, hero concept, objective of gameplay (to win). Just like card games each have different strategies and go in different directions.

Seriously guys stop trying to give S2 advice pretty much none of you know anything about business. Ok some of you can make mod's that eventually make it into the game but when it comes to a company making money they aren't even considering your crappy ideas.

All the annoying speculation about Dota 2 is dumb....you know nothing about what the end product and what it will have. Things can be added or removed at any point or even added later.

First to market wins.
Creating a product with so many extra bells and whistles only hurts your competitors chance to get a piece of the pie. If it takes Dota 2 a year or 2 to come out it only allows S2 to have a stranglehold on the market.

Brand loyalty is something none of you know about. People who drink Coke will not likely completely abandon it because a new drink comes out from a competitor.

Unless the product is totally innovative and makes the previous obsolete like carriage and buggy and automobiles...

You morons have no idea what S2 will have implemented by the time Dota 2 even comes out...

You also have no actual idea of what is going on behind the scenes involving the intellectual property, who is actually working with who. Stop reading retarded speculation on random blogs.

**** what you learned in your retarded outdated business courses at your university this is the real world.

tl;dr - Customers are wishy washy as ****, trust me I know, they only take your suggestions with as a grain of salt.

A larger company is not guaranteed to make a better product.

inb4 fagggggot emptronic

[Scope]

I Scope herefore sign to everything mentioned in this thread.
/sticky
, please.

[cruncha]

You make no ****ing sense.

[wardsareasin]

You make no ****ing sense.

Business, HOW DOES IT WORK

[Mazinkaiser]

GUYS I played Roller Coaster Tycoon, let me market you :balp:

[Rayvn]

Seriously guys stop trying to give S2 advice pretty much none of you know anything about business.

First to market wins.

Creating a product with so many extra bells and whistles only hurts your competitors chance to get a piece of the pie.

People who drink Coke will not likely completely abandon it because a new drink comes out from a competitor.

Unless the product is totally innovative and makes the previous obsolete like carriage and buggy and automobiles...




Please, for the sake of my sanity, brain, and impulsive personality...heed your own advice.

[Bli]

Brand loyalty is something none of you know about. People who drink Coke will not likely completely abandon it because a new drink comes out from a competitor.

Unless the product is totally innovative and makes the previous obsolete like carriage and buggy and automobiles...


This is why there are people that still play Dota instead of HoN. lol.
There are people who are loyal to Dota and didn't switch over to Hon.
I made the switch, but you're kinda contradicting yourself there. jus' sayin'
By the point you make, you should be in support of the original Dota.

[Gorb]

ITT: people disagreeing with the OP because they want to look cool bucking the trend.

[wardsareasin]

This is why there are people that still play Dota instead of HoN. lol.
There are people who are loyal to Dota and didn't switch over to Hon.
I made the switch, but you're kinda contradicting yourself there. jus' sayin'
By the point you make, you should be in support of the original Dota.

Talking about two price tagged games with actual companies supporting and creating them.

HoN vs DotA 2.

Not talking about playing dodgeball with rocks outside for free vs. say (as an example) going to a paintball arena and paying to play.

[wardsareasin]

Please, for the sake of my sanity, brain, and impulsive personality...heed your own advice.

These are basic proven laws that occur in business. I am giving neither side actual advice, they both already know this, just stating this to the peons of this forum.


:scou: Go sit invis and be useless.

[MezzoForte]

God this topic again?! If you want to keep playing HoN go ahead, you made your choice. If you want to play Dota 2 then you have the right to wait then you can GTFO. ****ing thread spams about this useless arguments are ****ing annoying.

[wardsareasin]

God this topic again?! If you want to keep playing HoN go ahead, you made your choice. If you want to play Dota 2 then you have the right to wait then you can GTFO. ****ing thread spams about this useless arguments are ****ing annoying.

The idea is to stop the further threads (which it won't).

Haters gonna ha.... Wishy washy customers gonna be wishy washy.



http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:cZc2Gd-IQt7b2M:http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/462/smilews4.jpg&t=1

[`Static]

Brand loyalty is something none of you know about. People who drink Coke will not likely completely abandon it because a new drink comes out from a competitor.



Horrible analogy.

It's like I drink Mr. Safeway2 Cola because it's the only thing at my store (At least Mr. Safeway2 Cola is better than that Mountain WC3EngineDewthat was my only flavor option before).

Then Coke-valvea-cola (the giant corporation with loads of cash and popularity) finally brings Dr. Pepperota 2 into my local supermarket. Guess what? I am damn sure going to at least try it. And odds are (due to superior composition, flavor, and advertising) will find it to be the superior beverage.

Besides, of course I'll drink Dr. Pepperota 2 in my neighborhood, it's what all the cool kids will be doing.

[wardsareasin]

Seriously people it's just like a cake, they almost down the tee use exactly the same tools and techniques to create it. It ultimately comes down the icing and flavor, in this case S2 and Valve say chocolate and vanilla. Which make the cakes unique...

Some people will try the new flavor and switch over.
Some will eat both.
Some people like their flavor of cake and stick to it. For them change is not good.
Hell some people are even allergic to the new flavor (in this case Valve) you knoooow.

100% of the people are not going to abandon one flavor for the other. UNLESS like I said it makes the previous product completely inferior.

For instance if the new chocolate flavor made you extremely good looking, rich, in shape, or in general gave you your deepest desires and made you happy eternally.

Innovation is great, but competing products are...business.

[wardsareasin]

Horrible analogy.

It's like I drink Mr. Safeway2 Cola because it's the only thing at my store (At least Mr. Safeway2 Cola is better than that Mountain WC3EngineIceFrogDew that was my only flavor option before).

Then coke finally brings Dr. Pepperota 2 into my local supermarket. Guess what? I am damn sure going to at least try it. And odds are (due to superior composition, flavor, and advertising) will find it to be the superior beverage.

Besides, of course I'll drink Dr. Pepperota 2 in my neighborhood, it's what all the cool kids will be doing.
See above post.

and again I'm not comparing the original DotA in this mix, which in your example is the only think available to you, i.e. you can't afford to buy it.

Trends are trends I don't wear skinny jeans because it's hip, I think they are lame, I'm allergic to them, I stick to the jeans I like and brands I wear.

For anything you throw out there I can explain it for you.

[Dupster]

Hey I think I saw wardsareasin on Undercover boss last night.

He's a CEO, I'm just saying bro.

[wardsareasin]

Hey I think I saw wardsareasin on Undercover boss last night.

He's a CEO, I'm just saying bro.

That show is awesome the 7-11 one was touching. It made me feel warm inside. :pyro::pyro::pyro::pyro:

[`Static]

See above post.

How many crappy analogies do you need?

Cards, Cake, Soda, and Insults.

To cards, Yes - but the guys who made my first deck of cards made them on vellum and they can't get wet.

To Sodas - See my fun post 3 up.

To Cake - Yes, but my first cake used only flour and we forgot the sugar, but I phoned the company and they said the sugar is on the way, they're working on implementing it (Team queueing, Matchmaking in general, Editor, not goblin heros, etc...)


And as the gentlemen a few posts up said, Heed your own advice and


Seriously guys stop trying to give advice

Edit: lol I just saw your jeans reference in your editted post. NEW ANOLOGY TO ADD TO THE MIX. YAY.

And I MENTIONED dota 1 in my post. The post had nothing to do with it.

[Dupster]

Oh yeah with the russian delivery guy and that, I will concur with you that it owned.

[wardsareasin]

By wishy washy just to be clear I don't mean customers are likely to abandon ship because they hear something else is coming.

They simply have fear of their investment, will your product match this? Will it be cheaper or more expensive? What is your plan when they release this or that.

My example personally I saw first hand Craigslist Auto Posting (ok spamming) tools fought it out. I knew the person who created the first full automated program, not that AdBomber crap, I doubt anyone knows what I'm talking about anyway.

When his came out everyone loved it, but as competitors sprouted up some began to wonder and become nervous. In his case he already had the superior product with superior features, and all the features they claimed, were unreliable. When real competition came around guess what he could match all of their features and make changes accordingly.

By the end he had over 7000 customers with a price tag for $297.

Sure some left, some stayed, some were UNABLE to afford it so had to use a different product.

[Rayvn]

OP - Please look up the term 'brand ambivalence'



and don't compare internet marketing tools to retail product brands.

[wardsareasin]

Basic laws of persuasion and marketing. Company 2 will attempt to quell your fears ex. saying you won't have to deal with sickness if you eat our product. Tell you it's not your fault you had no other options, two birds with one stone by throwing rocks at your enemies and taking the blame off you.

i.e. Weight loss pills, ITS NOT YOUR FAULT you have a bad metabolism, buy our pill. Which encourages your dreams, of looking good, and attractive.

College can't teach you this.

[Seektruth]

I think what people tend to forget is that the players of HoN are mostly old DOTA players. Why we haven´t gone back to DOTA is because of its engine. However, I know for a fact that I personally miss A LOT from DOTA, especially heroes. Also, I have been very frustrated with HoN lately in regards to balance (chalice anyone?).

What S2 must do is to up their game. We need more frequent updates. No more broken patches! More heroes! DOTA has almost (or maybe more, I don´t know the exact number) twice as much heroes as HoN. Saying that "well, HoN hasn't been out for that long" doesn't work because people WON'T CARE. When DOTA2 is released people will chose and stay with the better game.

Furthermore comparing DOTA2 and HoN with Warhammer Online and WoW is stupid because DOTA is the game to beat. Right now, if DOTA had the same engine as HoN people would without a doubt play DOTA. Sure, we might miss some things like maybe pandamonium however, there are a lot more heroes that I would rather have from DOTA.

S2, you gotta step it up. You know it as well as I do.

Peace

well said sir

[pakoito]

Dota forums won't be as full of 12yo retards opening threads in the wrong forum every ****ing day like in here. They'll be 14yo by then.

[wardsareasin]

How many crappy analogies do you need?

Cards, Cake, Soda, and Insults.

To cards, Yes - but the guys who made my first deck of cards made them on vellum and they can't get wet.

To Sodas - See my fun post 3 up.

To Cake - Yes, but my first cake used only flour and we forgot the sugar, but I phoned the company and they said the sugar is on the way, they're working on implementing it (Team queueing, Matchmaking in general, Editor, not goblin heros, etc...)


And as the gentlemen a few posts up said, Heed your own advice and



Edit: lol I just saw your jeans reference in your editted post. NEW ANOLOGY TO ADD TO THE MIX. YAY.

And I MENTIONED dota 1 in my post. The post had nothing to do with it.

For every 2 who agree with you 10 agree with me.

[wardsareasin]

OP - Please look up the term 'brand ambivalence'



and don't compare internet marketing tools to retail product brands.

Same thing different example.

[`Static]

craiglists != HoN.

And all of your arguments thus far are moot for one reason.

S2 (While I will admit I am a fanboy and do love them) is nowhere near Valve's Status. Valve has put out a TON of games that have become huge. They are popular, fun, they update their games. (don't get me wrong I'm sure they've had bad eggs and etc. too)

But they are a reputed trusted name that everyone here knows they can put out very succesful entertaining FRANCHISES, not just a game (and this includes everything from support to DLC to bug fixes, etc.)

S2 is not there yet. I never did play savage 1 or 2, but their sales numbers let alone player numbers I have seen are nowhere near anything Valve has put out.

So your fear of investment, abandon ship, wishy washy, all these points, are not taking into consideration name brand.

[wardsareasin]

Easier said than done comes to mind with this thread.

People who's only goal is to thwart what I've stated albeit they have no real world examples they can use because hey, they have no idea what they are talking about.

Yes companies fail and go out of business because another company takes the market from them.

In this case I highly doubt it will happen.

[Dupster]

Where's the screenshots?!?!?

[wardsareasin]

craiglists != HoN.

And all of your arguments thus far are moot for one reason.

S2 (While I will admit I am a fanboy and do love them) is nowhere near Valve's Status. Valve has put out a TON of games that have become huge. They are popular, fun, they update their games. (don't get me wrong I'm sure they've had bad eggs and etc. too)

But they are a reputed trusted name that everyone here knows they can put out very succesful entertaining FRANCHISES, not just a game (and this includes everything from support to DLC to bug fixes, etc.)

S2 is not there yet. I never did play savage 1 or 2, but their sales numbers let alone player numbers I have seen are nowhere near anything Valve has put out.

So your fear of investment, abandon ship, wishy washy, all these points, are not taking into consideration name brand.

First to market dominates indefinitely because they have no competition, gains weight for their brand name, is able to compete with others.

Even IF HoN loses the war they have made money to start a new project. It'd be different if the two games released at the same time.

[Mazinkaiser]

Icefrog had them play HoN, they got confused

wouldn't be the first time he's pulled a scam :)

[`Static]

For every 2 who agree with you 10 agree with me.

Lol I can make up numbers too!

I like this conversation thus far. Here's my HoN anology.

Player 1 (OP) starts raging and feeding when his team doesn't back him up (forums posts).

Team says "Chillax bro, we were pushing while you defended (different opinion than op)."

Player 1 rages harder and starts yelling into voip (counter forum posts) and makes up names, insults, and awesome fake statistics (fake statistics posts).

Team says, look man. We repect your idea (I don't) but just stop raging and feeding.

Player 1: TO BE DETERMINED. Stay tuned. I will let him post again.

[Anchovies]

That intent of that article was purely to generate hype.

[Allnighte]

That intent of that article was purely to generate hype.
valve would NEVER do such a thing.

[sco0t]

Valve paid them to publish that article.

[wardsareasin]

Lol I can make up numbers too!

I like this conversation thus far. Here's my HoN anology.

Player 1 (OP) starts raging and feeding when his team doesn't back him up (forums posts).

Team says "Chillax bro, we were pushing while you defended (different opinion than op)."

Player 1 rages harder and starts yelling into voip (counter forum posts) and makes up names, insults, and awesome fake statistics (fake statistics posts).

Team says, look man. We repect your idea (I don't) but just stop raging and feeding.

Player 1: TO BE DETERMINED. Stay tuned. I will let him post again.

It actually goes like this

Person 1 states the his opinions from real world experience.
Other person(s) weights Person 1's opinion and replies with their own opinions.

Since Person 1 is stating facts and "estimated numbers" using the real world experience the other person(s) are likely to entrust him.

If the naysayers think their argument is so strong then they can watch from the sidelines and see it play out.

If it unfolds like person 1 assumed then the naysayers will likely then jump back on board with person 1 as they usually do.

[Drasha]

Valve paid them to publish that article.
They should have paid some one with better servers >.>

[`Static]

First to market dominates indefinitely because they have no competition, gains weight for their brand name, is able to compete with others.

Even IF HoN loses the war they have made money to start a new project. It'd be different if the two games released at the same time.

I agree with this statement completely. First decent thing you have said.

1. Yes, HoN is successful and will be considered a success, especially for S2 since it WILL help them with another title/platform and help perhaps get them near Valve/Blizzard etc. status eventually.

2. But First to market dominates an empty market. That's a big duh factor right there. But by no means does it have anything to do with once a competitor comes along.

Yes in most cases, if this was some completely revolutionary thing and no one had any idea how to compete or any previous knowledge etc, they would have a stranglehold. Too bad Valve knows how to make games already, has a HUGE revenue stream and corporate media at its fingertips, has an advertising platform and hundreds of other things that S2 does not have that will help them compete and in this case, most likely dominate the competition (namely S2).

[Rayvn]

First to market dominates indefinitely because they have no competition, gains weight for their brand name, is able to compete with others.

Even IF HoN loses the war they have made money to start a new project. It'd be different if the two games released at the same time.


Hey Hewlett Packard just called and asked me why the advice you gave them in this thread hasn't worked for them for the last 20 years?


Thanks.

[Strier]

Video games are not sodas.. but they are similar in the fact that if you find one you enjoy more, you'll drink/play that one instead. most of yall are morons and don't know what you're talking about.

some people will switch to dota 2, some people will not, some will play both, some will quit altogether.

[wardsareasin]

Lol I can make up numbers too!

I like this conversation thus far. Here's my HoN anology.

Player 1 (OP) starts raging and feeding when his team doesn't back him up (forums posts).

Team says "Chillax bro, we were pushing while you defended (different opinion than op)."

Player 1 rages harder and starts yelling into voip (counter forum posts) and makes up names, insults, and awesome fake statistics (fake statistics posts).

Team says, look man. We repect your idea (I don't) but just stop raging and feeding.

Player 1: TO BE DETERMINED. Stay tuned. I will let him post again.

Honestly I'd love to hear what real world experience you have. Please don't throw some small cog nonsense about you working at a position in a large corp or reading about it in books.

Have you ever been in a partnership with someone who has made over a million dollars in rev?

Have you ever done customer support, have you ever been apart of an organization that has 60,000 members and you yourself own a piece of the company?

I have seen all of this first hand.

[Rayvn]

I don't mean to be mean, but you sound like a wannabe affiliate marketer that can talk the talk because you probably peruse the likes of :

warriorforum.com
digitalpoint.com
blackhatworld.com



online marketing =\= retail product marketing. The channel may be the same, the strategy is vastly different (and yes, this is from experience).

[`Static]

It actually goes like this

Person 1 states the his opinions from real world experience.
Other person(s) weights Person 1's opinion and replies with their own opinions.

Since Person 1 is stating facts and "estimated numbers" using the real world experience the other person(s) are likely to entrust him.

If the naysayers think their argument is so strong then they can watch from the sidelines and see it play out.

If it unfolds like person 1 assumed then the naysayers will likely then jump back on board with person 1 as they usually do.

lol. Its like arguing with a wall.

Once again, craigslist != video games.

EVEN IF craigslist = video games. 1 persons' real world experience != 100% always accurate knowledge. My friend survived a motorcycle accident, that must mean people CAN'T DIE ON MOTORYCLES WOW.

And ya I had so many things to bring up that ravyn hit with one example.

Android is outselling iphones like 10:1 atm. HP is doing awesome. Ford isn't america's #1 truck? THIS IS BLASPHEMY. WARDSAREIN PROMISED

[wardsareasin]

Hey Hewlett Packard just called and asked me why the advice you gave them in this thread hasn't worked for them for the last 20 years?


Thanks.

You are talking a totally different game with companies that large.

This is peanuts compared to that.

You have seen peanuts being sold at a baseball game. Spectator...

I have eaten peanuts and never have eaten billion dollar golden eggs filled with private jets and boats.

[wardsareasin]

lol. Its like arguing with a wall.

Once again, craigslist != video games.

EVEN IF craigslist = video games. 1 persons' real world experience != 100% always accurate knowledge. My friend survived a motorcycle accident, that must mean people CAN'T DIE ON MOTORYCLES WOW.

And ya I had so many things to bring up that ravyn hit with one example.

Android is outselling iphones like 10:1 atm. HP is doing awesome. Ford isn't america's #1 truck? THIS IS BLASPHEMY. WARDSAREIN PROMISED

Read above.

[AC360]

they should have paid some one with better servers >.>

buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn

[wardsareasin]

All analogies aside I ask has anyone here actually been apart of a successful small business. I don't mean someone who makes coffee or answers phones.

Not just people who reply with mega corporation statistics, you read the news and and take classes in college.

But....? Actual experience?

[ReDDoT]

I would love to see some screenshots of the game. Particularly the UI, amount of bloom and the field of view.

[`Static]

All analogies aside I ask has anyone here actually been apart of a successful small business.

Not just people who reply with mega corporation statistics, you read the news and and take classes in college.

But....? Actual experience?


lol you say Peanuts, and I will have to go find the link, but Valve is in the Top 5 for video game developers in the world?

Mighty large peanuts. So are you saying S2 and HoN are peanuts, cuz valve isn't. And my money would not be on a peanut in this battle.

Edit: Might be top 10 hell even 15, not sure. Either way, S2 is top 1,000?

[Rayvn]

You are talking a totally different game with companies that large.

This is peanuts compared to that.

You have seen peanuts being sold at a baseball game. Spectator...

I have eaten peanuts and never have eaten billion dollar golden eggs filled with private jets and boats.

Ah, thank you for providing me entertainment the final hours of my work day.


You speak of branding and HoN, first to market winning the battle, and now you speak of ... 'peanuts?'


and spectator? I will be paying for my MBA with profits I've made running online campaigns.

I swear I'm going to be running personality assessments before offering coaching from this point forward.


Anyone with an average IQ can make money online given the right tools or the right mentor.

[wardsareasin]

lol you say Peanuts, and I will have to go find the link, but Valve is in the Top 5 for video game developers in the world?

Mighty large peanuts. So are you saying S2 and HoN are peanuts, cuz valve isn't. And my money would not be on a peanut in this battle.

So you are saying larger companies 100% of the time put smaller companies out of business?

[wardsareasin]

Ah, thank you for providing me entertainment the final hours of my work day.


You speak of branding and HoN, first to market winning the battle, and now you speak of ... 'peanuts?'


and spectator? I will be paying for my MBA with profits I've made running online campaigns.

I swear I'm going to be running personality assessments before offering coaching from this point forward.


Anyone with an average IQ can make money online given the right tools or the right mentor.

That is fail bro if you making any good making with your marketing campaigns you wouldn't need an MBA for continue doing that.

You should go to ASE one year and see all the big baller affiliates who were broke as **** with no education who bootstrapped and made themselves successful.

They didn't make money and waste time going to school learning stuff that rarely applies to what they are really doing.

[`Static]

So you are saying larger companies 100% of the time put smaller companies out of business?


Not one person in this thread said anything about out of business besides you.

I just said the odds are heavilly in their favor for putting out a superior product that dwarfs HoN and will be 10x more succesful.

I even addressed this point earlier agreeing with one of your statements, which makes me laugh even harding knowing you aren't even reading any of this, you are just preaching from a nice high internet horse.

I agree Ravyn. Entertainment factor, off the charts.

[Rayvn]

So you are saying larger companies 100% of the time put smaller companies out of business?

Well, you've got the drive, I'll give you that. :zeph:

[`Static]

That is fail bro if you making any good making with your marketing campaigns you wouldn't need an MBA for continue doing that.

You should go to ASE one year and see all the big baller affiliates who were broke as **** with no education who bootstrapped and made themselves successful.

They didn't make money and waste time going to school learning stuff that rarely applies to what they are really doing.

lol college is dumb. hahahaha. who needs it?

[wardsareasin]

Well, you've got the drive, I'll give you that. :zeph:

Seriously man this **** is fail you are a dime a dozen.

http://pat-mcgrath.com/

You run Adwords campaigns for people and spam backlinks (if you are any good, check out Xrumer brah) and on top of that you run a blog about it.

This hardly qualifies for real world experience.

[wardsareasin]

lol college is dumb. hahahaha. who needs it?

People like you so you can get a job working 60 hours a week.

[wardsareasin]

Well, you've got the drive, I'll give you that. :zeph:

Seriously man you strike me as the type of guy who is apart of www.warriorforum.com rofl. Spamming e-books and providing SEO services haha.

Read wickedfire.com get a taste of the real game.

Did you even get a piece of the Acai game gaming re-bills and making huge dough.

Nah man you were doing keyword research using Google Keyword Research.

That is not a real business.

Have you ever made 20,000 a month selling anything?

[Rayvn]

That is fail bro if you making any good making with your marketing campaigns you wouldn't need an MBA for continue doing that.

You should go to ASE one year and see all the big baller affiliates who were broke as **** with no education who bootstrapped and made themselves successful.

They didn't make money and waste time going to school learning stuff that rarely applies to what they are really doing.

Affiliate marketing is for half-educated narcissists who think of nothing but buying that beamer so that they can convince the cougar at the crappy dive bar they are in that they have some cash to spend.

It's a joke. You add no value...you forcibly insert yourself as a middleman and reap the rewards of other uneducated consumers who don't know any better. You do nothing to forward the human race other than perpetuating social darwinian theory.

Affiliate marketers are right below the rung of 'used car salesman' in the 'I respect what you do for a living' column. I say this, and it paid for my senior year in college.



I don't want the MBA for the education. I want the MBA to meet the people, to make the connections.



I have an ivy league education and I'll tell you this - the most important thing I've ever learned is that you 'live or die by your database.' Network, add value, and you'll be as successful as you want to be. That, and never date a type A woman.

[`Static]

People like you so you can get a job working 60 hours a week.

lol K, I'm done here. That last one wasn't even a complete sentence. I think we drove him crazy Ravyn.

And good work wards. Not one shred of factual information. All opinion. And when someone provides with a counter opinion, all you do is assault their character. Well played sir. I believe I have been trolled.

That or you are a rager.

Either way, good day sir. Enjoy your angry life.

[wardsareasin]

Affiliate marketing is for half-educated narcissists who think of nothing but buying that beamer so that they can convince the cougar at the crappy dive bar they are in that they have some cash to spend.

It's a joke. You add no value...you forcibly insert yourself as a middleman and reap the rewards of other uneducated consumers who don't know any better. You do nothing to forward the human race other than perpetuating social darwinian theory.

Affiliate marketers are right below the rung of 'used car salesman' in the 'I respect what you do for a living' column. I say this, and it paid for my senior year in college.



I don't want the MBA for the education. I want the MBA to meet the people, to make the connections.



I have an ivy league education and I'll tell you this - the most important thing I've ever learned is that you 'live or die by your database.' Network, add value, and you'll be as successful as you want to be. That, and never date a type A woman.


To make connections haha, btw I'm not an affiliate marketing, we start companies fool, we make software that banks, we engender products other people haven't even thought about.

Will I give you links and info, no, I don't need a blogger trying to compare himself to me.

[Rayvn]

Seriously man you strike me as the type of guy who is apart of www.warriorforum.com (http://www.warriorforum.com) rofl. Spamming e-books and providing SEO services haha.

Read wickedfire.com get a taste of the real game.

Did you even get a piece of the Acai game gaming re-bills and making huge dough.

Nah man you were doing keyword research using Google Keyword Research.

That is not a real business.

Have you ever made 20,000 a month selling anything?

I ran a website creation business for a well known MLM opportunity; each website nets me ~190 in profit...and I do no work (thank you Elance).

Just hit 1,000 websites

[wardsareasin]

lol K, I'm done here. That last one wasn't even a complete sentence. I think we drove him crazy Ravyn.

And good work wards. Not one shred of factual information. All opinion. And when someone provides with a counter opinion, all you do is assault their character. Well played sir. I believe I have been trolled.

That or you are a rager.

Either way, good day sir. Enjoy your angry life.

Right so only two people were brave enough to challenge me. One who has no experience at all and the other who blogs and manages Adwords/Facebook campaigns for people slinging dating sites and MyWebFace.

Go to GetaFreelancer.com and get some indian to write you a press release chump.

[wardsareasin]

I ran a website creation business for a well known MLM opportunity; each website nets me ~190 in profit...and I do no work (thank you Elance).

Just hit 1,000 websites

MLM HAHAHAHAH seriously?

You think your turn key business BULLSHIT is making any actual money. What are you slinging some ****ing Noni Juice or Cash Gifting.

Get the **** out of here brooooooo.

The other moron in this thread should go watch the Penn and Teller episode about MLM since he clearly can't understand from me.

[Rayvn]

Haha, nah, every community has their flavor of wannabe. We have the 'my PSR sucks because of my allies!!11' here....the digital media marketing sites have 'I make so much bank but can't prove it' demographic.

It's the internet! It's like a Baskin Robbin's of personality disorders


and hmmm...my bank account (actually, I have about 100k in facebook through a friend who works there) would say, yes, my turnkey business made me actual money :)

[wardsareasin]

I ran a website creation business for a well known MLM opportunity; each website nets me ~190 in profit...and I do no work (thank you Elance).

Just hit 1,000 websites

While you sit all day managing campaigns, designing sites, and logos I'm checking my sales on 1shoppingcart.com brohams. I'm done for the day homeslice you wake up and have to read tons of retarded emails from people filling out your forms for websites.

Go to ASE and tell someone you tell people you are a balling website designer......lol.

I doubt you would get invited to a Neverblue or Copeac private party.

You're saying "a WHAT"...right?

[fabulousramp]

As much as i like what your trying to do here, your coming off as a complete jerkwad and an idiot.

I like the fact that you state you have "real-world" experiencing yet there is no way to prove it on the internet.

So we don't want to listen to your "advice"

Arguments are moot except for the Obvious facts stated in your original post.

[wardsareasin]

Haha, nah, every community has their flavor of wannabe. We have the 'my PSR sucks because of my allies!!11' here....the digital media marketing sites have 'I make so much bank but can't prove it' demographic.

It's the internet! It's like a Baskin Robbin's of personality disorders

Wannabe huh so how is it I know exactly what you are doing doing chump jobs and you can't even relate to what I'm doing.

Let me guess you're one of those guys who registers an LLC that ends in Media.

Pat McGrath Innovative Design Media LLC haha.

[wardsareasin]

Haha, nah, every community has their flavor of wannabe. We have the 'my PSR sucks because of my allies!!11' here....the digital media marketing sites have 'I make so much bank but can't prove it' demographic.

It's the internet! It's like a Baskin Robbin's of personality disorders


and hmmm...my bank account (actually, I have about 100k in facebook through a friend who works there) would say, yes, my turnkey business made me actual money :)

Doubt it, photoshop it with your l33t design skills and post it.

If you are using that to get an MBA....lol.

[wardsareasin]

As much as i like what your trying to do here, your coming off as a complete jerkwad and an idiot.

I like the fact that you state you have "real-world" experiencing yet there is no way to prove it on the internet.

So we don't want to listen to your "advice"

Arguments are moot except for the Obvious facts stated in your original post.

That's how almost everyone comes off once they hear something that makes sense to them after hearing it. "Oh thats obvious" yet they couldn't explain it to people without hearing it first.

[Rayvn]

Lol, I love these people.

Who says I manage the campaigns personally? Go read '4 hour work week.'


I do like you though. Especially during a recession, it's nice to see people (claiming) pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps. It's the American way!


I wish you the best of luck :)

[Kenpachi1337]

comparing a drink to a multiplayer online game, you have no idea of marketing indeed xD and maybe you shouldnt imply you know what other people know.
some of the random advice given on this forum might actually be good advice they will heed, if it was all bullsh1t they would bother with this forum now would they....

[Pwn]

so they were given a lot of money they didnt need for no reason that they wont use to create jobs?

[wardsareasin]

Sure is taking a long time for that screenshot lol...

[Puggles]

Yea I hear Maliken, icefrog, and Obama are getting together for a beer.

I lol'd
:keep:

[Turtleman]

Agreeing with the OP, this is getting out of hand. The forum admins have lost control enabling many threads talking about exactly the same thing in a area of the forums which is meant to be about HoN.

Not only are all the threads totally and utterly redundant in relation to dota2, the shear number has made them impossible to ignore. The people who create these threads seem like they have some kind of mental retardation, claiming that dota2 is going to be the end all to HoN's player base which is just such a stupid thing to say its not even worth replying.

I want to talk about HoN, in the HoN General Discussion. I don't want to have to look at 2 pages of Dota2 OMGITSTHEENDOFNEWERTH threads to find something I am interested in.

[wardsareasin]

Lol, I love these people.

Who says I manage the campaigns personally? Go read '4 hour work week.'


I do like you though. Especially during a recession, it's nice to see people (claiming) pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps. It's the American way!


I wish you the best of luck :)

Haha Tim Ferris LOL I bet you've read Rich Dad Poor Dad too right.

That's the best jab you have? Fail....

[wardsareasin]

comparing a drink to a multiplayer online game, you have no idea of marketing indeed xD and maybe you shouldnt imply you know what other people know.
some of the random advice given on this forum might actually be good advice they will heed, if it was all bullsh1t they would bother with this forum now would they....

Mind you I have to explain it idiots with simple examples.

So they can read it and predictably say "OH THATS OBVIOUS" haha.

[wardsareasin]

Lol, I love these people.

Who says I manage the campaigns personally? Go read '4 hour work week.'


I do like you though. Especially during a recession, it's nice to see people (claiming) pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps. It's the American way!


I wish you the best of luck :)

A recession doesn't mean **** to people who like me who have NEVER worked a 9-5 or designed logos for scrubs.

[Rayvn]

It's not a competition, I'm more than happy with where I am...I don't mind hearing about the success of others.

It wasn't meant as a 'jab'.


A recession doesn't mean **** to people who like me who have worked a 9-5 or designed logos for scrubs.Yes yes, we know, mad bank and all that jazz.

[SaM``]

Brand loyalty is something none of you know about. People who drink Coke will not likely completely abandon it because a new drink comes out from a competitor.

I could not continue reading past this horrendously ignorant analogy. You basically have no idea about Business if you think "Brand Loyalty" applies to goods such as video games.

Not only that, but you are very wrong when you say that companies (S2) do not care about what their customers (us) say. This forum is pretty much the link between S2 and its customers, any future marketing strategy and perceptual mapping that they apply will mostly be aimed to satisfy the needs of its customers (which only way to demand their needs happens to be through this very forum). So suggestions and even general discussion are indeed very valuable for their marketing research.

[wardsareasin]

It's not a competition, I'm happy with where I am...I don't mind hearing about the success of others.

It wasn't meant as a 'jab'.

Let me know if I'm joking or giving you real advice since you know everything.

http://www.amazon.com/E-Myth-Revisited-Small-Businesses-About/dp/0887307280

Joke or legit?

[wardsareasin]

I could not continue reading past this horrendously ignorant analogy. You basically have no idea about Business if you think "Brand Loyalty" applies to goods such as video games.

Not only that, but you are very wrong when you say that companies (S2) do not care about what their customers (us) say. This forum is pretty much the link between S2 and its customers, any future marketing strategy and perceptual mapping that they apply will mostly be aimed to satisfy the needs of its customers (which only way to demand their needs happens to be through this very forum). So suggestions and even general discussion are indeed very valuable for their marketing research.

Where did I say that S2 doesn't care about their customers...?

If I did it was a typo because that makes no sense.

[SaM``]

So Maliken is borrowing large sums of money from China?

[wardsareasin]

Like I said everyone in this thread has no actual experience in business.

The only guy remotely, and I mean remotely, is a blogger who does SEO... lol

[wardsareasin]

It's not a competition, I'm more than happy with where I am...I don't mind hearing about the success of others.

It wasn't meant as a 'jab'.

Yes yes, we know, mad bank and all that jazz.

Derp typo by me "I have NEVER worked a 9-5"

[SaM``]

Seriously guys stop trying to give S2 advice pretty much none of you know anything about business. Ok some of you can make mod's that eventually make it into the game but when it comes to a company making money they aren't even considering your crappy ideas.


Those are a lot of typos...

[wardsareasin]

Those are a lot of typos...

Typing too much and not checking for typos then replying to a lot of people :(

[Randomguy360]

Dude, I played lemonade Stand. I think I know a little more about business than Maliken.

[wardsareasin]

I mean all you guys who think S2 will buckle and simply think they will lose you are wrong. It's highly unlikely they will roundtable and go thru all the suggestions for marketing.

Clearly they got all their customers by luck right? They have no idea how to market themselves right? They don't know how competition works right?

They haven't considered and likely prepared for a DotA 2 (or something similar) game coming out right?

You guys honestly think they were just sitting on their asses thinking they will reign without anyone challenging them?

[wardsareasin]

K I'm done with this thread if anyone wants to step up later who is not a blogger or some random guy trying to deflate proven stuff.

I'll check it in a day or so.