The OFFICIAL DOTA2 Thread

[SoulCrusher]

You realize push-gank is the current metagame in DotA, right?

[Hat_Truck]

Plenty of heroes can do that in DotA.



It's just more viable to sit in your lane and farm for 40 mins.
Give a list of DotA heroes whose role is to 1 shot you.

[Swanker]

You realize push-gank is the current metagame in DotA, right?

Don't even bother, Hax says the most retarded **** in this thread. Time and time again he states factually incorrect bs because he's butthurt for some reason.

[nigmorris]

Don't even bother, Hax says the most retarded **** in this thread. Time and time again he states factually incorrect bs because he's butthurt for some reason.

Probably cuz his game is dead ))

[Laramii]

PAINTITGOLD ,a hon user is playing right now with his team Its gosu against mTw . They won their last match against EG using a TINKER!

[Lethe]

eg blew out navi 2-0 yesterday I believe. Dendi was dumb and proved again that abyssal blade sucks.

[SoulCrusher]

Most top teams didn't get the news that Riki is ridicolous in the new version. Good teamfight spell and insane damage output with just treads + diffusal, due to his overbuffed backstab.

[ChillyWater]

Would you have conceded that match in HoN?

Yes o.o

[Skyve]

Give a list of DotA heroes whose role is to 1 shot you.

Give a list of HoN heroes who have that as their job.

Pretty sure no hero can do that :/

(but yeah, I get what you mean :P)

[Somi90]

Is there any way to get into some inhouse matches?

I get very often total newbie teammates and no I'm not talking about those guys that make mistakes now and then and buy strange items, I'm talking about total imbecils having no single item for 1 hour and overall being totally clueless, feeling like there are many ppl that play first time moba genre in there..

[Hax]

Give a list of DotA heroes whose role is to 1 shot you.

Tiny, Lina, Bane, to some extent Lion. Or even Jugg and Luna given the circumstances.


The only one that DotA doesn't have is deadwood. Parasite doesn't 1shot anyone without a dominating earlygame and a fast codex. Which any hero can really start 1shotting with.


QQ.

[orlando]

pugna can burst you down fast too with a troll item build like dagon 5 and veil of discort

[Evermourn]

The only one that DotA doesn't have is deadwood. Parasite doesn't 1shot anyone without a dominating earlygame and a fast codex. Which any hero can really start 1shotting with.




:monk::damp::fayd::gaun:

"Or even :silh: and :pand: given the circumstances"

As for Fayde, I suppose you can say DotA has Nerubian Assassin, but he's nowhere nearly as strong as Fayde.

[airplane]

eg blew out navi 2-0 yesterday I believe. Dendi was dumb and proved again that abyssal blade sucks.

it wasn't na'vi. that was next.kz, and dendi was standing in.

[Lethe]

ah my bad

[Deityh]

But Al raped navi @ monthly madness so its all good. First match was kinda game of throws by puppey and co but second game Al just played way better.

[Bloodaxe]

So everyone got 2x beta keys... still worth 40 bucks in goblin coins? >.<

[Loli]

Dota 2 Beta keys are sitting at about ~7 dollars after the recent flux.

[Evermourn]

New dynamic background music added this patch, some seriously good stuff

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16143985/explore_002_mixed.mp3

Top layers stripped away:

http://soundcloud.com/yk-koca/dota-2-exploring-music

[Bloodaxe]

New dynamic background music added this patch, some seriously good stuff

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16143985/explore_002_mixed.mp3

Top layers stripped away:

http://soundcloud.com/yk-koca/dota-2-exploring-music


Truthfully, I hate the music in this game...Makes me fell like i am playing WoW...

[Dacaj]

New dynamic background music added this patch, some seriously good stuff

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16143985/explore_002_mixed.mp3

Top layers stripped away:

http://soundcloud.com/yk-koca/dota-2-exploring-music

Holy **** lasthitting em creeps on that big bot lane is gonna feel so boss listening to this

[Nospheratu]

New dynamic background music added this patch, some seriously good stuff

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16143985/explore_002_mixed.mp3


Truthfully, I hate the music in this game...Makes me fell like i am playing WoW...

Agreed with Bloodaxe, reminds me so much of this (Stormwind background music):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zgi4MOb06A

If you're impressed with Dota 2's music, you've obviously not been playing enough MMORPG's ;)

[Grim]

Reminds me of WoW's WoTLK Borean Tundra soundtrack.
good stuff

[Bloodaxe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1eU2usWg3M&feature=related

Ironforge intro..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-_jzzHE2GI

Dota 2 Explore...

Feels like i am exploring Ironforge...FFUUU URGE TO PLAY WOW IS RAISING AGAIN!!!

[Swanker]

The reason you feel like you're playing WoW is because Jason Hayes, the composer of DotA 2, composed World of Warcraft and Warcraft 3. So, ya; not surprising it strikes a familiar chord(pun intended mo****az).

[Bloodaxe]

The reason you feel like you're playing WoW is because Jason Hayes, the composer of DotA 2, composed World of Warcraft and Warcraft 3. So, ya; not surprising it strikes a familiar chord(pun intended mo****az).


There is a difference between a familiar chord, and almost the same song.. >.<

[Swanker]

Baroque style music with chanting undertones generally sound the same no matter who creates it. It's a staple of the fantasy archetype, Hans Zimmer all "sounds the same" if you really listen to it; doesn't make it any less grandiose and impactful.

[Yin`]

New dynamic background music added this patch, some seriously good stuff

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16143985/explore_002_mixed.mp3

Top layers stripped away:

http://soundcloud.com/yk-koca/dota-2-exploring-music


Does the dynamic music play in the lobby? I'm getting the same soundtrack just repeating itself.

Thanks

[dmae]

So everyone got 2x beta keys... still worth 40 bucks in goblin coins? >.<

We got additional keys? Where?

[SoulCrusher]

In addition, we’ll be giving the most active Dota 2 players some more copies to gift to friends. This will be done on a regional basis based on available capacity, starting with US West.

Americans first.

Europes will get extra keys when they get more servers set up.

[_Zinda_]

that is some boring as **** music!

[doucheplayer]

that is some boring as **** music!


**** yea. needs more wubwubwubwub, amirite?

[Atrim3ntus]

Wow I knew there was something familiar about the music. Earlier I played a game and realized how similar the music was to what you hear in the Blood Elves' starting area. Don't see a problem with that personally.

I feel the unit reactions are too loud though. I'd prefer them if they were on par with the gameplay sound. Right now they're like 30% louder than the gameplay and music.

[Juicenewton]

Have 2 keys for sale 5$ paypal each

email jnewton248@yahoo.com if interested

[SpitFountain]

Have 2 keys for sale 5$ paypal each

email jnewton248@yahoo.com if interested

lol, 5$? really? lol, why dont you just give away the keys and ask the money to your dad?

[Laramii]

Another hon team moves to DOTA2, hurra.

[Iuchiban]

Just got a key and played few games in DOTA2....

I need to get used to this game, but my first impressions are:
-game is kinda slower than HoN
-animations are weared, last hitting is silly
-it's so easy to get high GPM, so sad...
-interface is like I am playing a game from '95s
-the look of items is freaking so low

This are my thought after 5 matches I played. I need to learn effects of skills, because I have little idea what is happening during fights :D

Right now, I'm so into HoN that every other moba game looks stupid. I don't want to be a HoN fanboy so I'll try to play dota more and see, maybe I'll change my mind to this game, but at this point HoN is way better than DotA2 for me in almost every aspect.

I kinda like courier buttons from dota2 thou :P

[Casshern]

Just got a key and played few games in DOTA2....

I need to get used to this game, but my first impressions are:
-game is kinda slower than HoN
-animations are weared, last hitting is silly
-it's so easy to get high GPM, so sad...
-interface is like I am playing a game from '95s
-the look of items is freaking so low

Not sure if troll.....

[Steffen]

Not sure if troll.....

I had mostly the same impression.

it's a personal thing really.

ANYWAY, can i bind items to mousewheel up/down yet?
wont start again before they added that :(

[Lhune]

Just got DotA2 two days ago, already preferring it over HoN. Not because of the gameplay which still needs tweaking to be sure, but I'm completely in love with the style. It's absolutely beautiful, the animations are really clever (lots of extras were put into it as well that you just don't see in HoN), the models are very well done and the style is very consistent throughout the entire game. If they can just fix the gameplay, which I'm sure they will, for me it'll be better than HoN in every way. Sorry S2!

[Casshern]

http://www.cyborgmatt.com/2012/04/dota-2-29th-march/#disqus_thread

Apparentlly there was a hero NOT in dota1 but is in DoTA 2 Test client. Seems cool.

[WickedStoned]

I have not gotten the chance to play DotA 2 yet; I can not wait to though :P

[Rean]

http://www.cyborgmatt.com/2012/04/dota-2-29th-march/#disqus_thread

Apparentlly there was a hero NOT in dota1 but is in DoTA 2 Test client. Seems cool.

apparently its 1st april :arma:

[Gleaming]

http://i.imgur.com/Tosor.png

[Good_Apollo]

The hero design seems plausible. Sounds like an awful lot of work for a joke.

[Rean]

it can easily be one of scrapped models that was meant to be used for some other hero

[Reldnahc]

Looks a lot like Bristleback and sounds like :mart:. Seems plausible, but just have to wait and see.

[lvl7bidoof]

http://i.imgur.com/AJZb9.jpg


Can't wait

[Casshern]

I like the photoshopped prices.

[Loli]

I like the photoshopped prices.

That's the point of the picture...
It's a joke...

[_Buakaw]

I just played my first dota2 game, having played dota years ago, about 5 hours of LoL and Hon since beta, I will safely say I will be sticking with HoN and supporting S2....yep not impressed

[Grim]

I just played my first dota2 game, having played dota years ago, about 5 hours of LoL and Hon since beta, I will safely say I will be sticking with HoN and supporting S2....yep not impressed

K bro, whatever makes you feel better, say it here.

[nigmorris]

Play 1 game after 600 hon games, lololo game is bad. I love people.

[Dacaj]

I just played my first dota2 game, having played dota years ago, about 5 hours of LoL and Hon since beta, I will safely say I will be sticking with HoN and supporting S2....yep not impressed

Sounds great mate, S2 seems like a great company to support. Keep buying those EA heroes and 15$ skins, I'm sure you won't regret it at all!

[Gleaming]

Only the dumbest of the dumb would actively support S2. One need only look at the competitive forums to see the sheer incompetence they've sunk themselves into. It's like the blind leading the blind off a cliff. HoN is a great game being actively ruined by the creators, it's ridiculous.

[Gotteshand]

Play 1 game after 600 hon games, lololo game is bad. I love people.

this

[Sinz3r]

I just played my first dota2 game, having played dota years ago, about 5 hours of LoL and Hon since beta, I will safely say I will be sticking with HoN and supporting S2....yep not impressed

I hated my first game and went back to HoN, then I decided to try a few more games at DOTA2. I haven't played HoN in weeks. To be fair, even in Beta, DOTA2 has a lot to offer. If you just play one game and dismiss it, then your opinion is obviously pretty biased.

[Atrim3ntus]

That's the point of the picture...
It's a joke...

It's funny because those prices aren't too far off from what's gonna happen

[Atrim3ntus]

I hated my first game and went back to HoN, then I decided to try a few more games at DOTA2. I haven't played HoN in weeks. To be fair, even in Beta, DOTA2 has a lot to offer. If you just play one game and dismiss it, then your opinion is obviously pretty biased.

I've played close to 140 and my opinion still stands - that it's not as good as HoN. It's a matter of opinion really, you either like or you don't but neither is superior to the other and if you think so that's fanboyism talking = bias.

Edit: Oops double post

[Gleaming]

It's funny because those prices aren't too far off from what's gonna happen

So you know Valve's plan regarding monetization before everyone else? gtfo.

[Sinz3r]

I've played close to 140 and my opinion still stands - that it's not as good as HoN. It's a matter of opinion really, you either like or you don't but neither is superior to the other and if you think so that's fanboyism talking = bias.


Did I even quote you? HoN has plenty of plus points. However, to dismiss a MOBA game after one game is a bit retarded. I don't like LoL at all, but I gave it at least 10 games to make sure that I did not like it. If you don't like it after 140 games, then I don't think there is a problem, you simply don't like it.

[Hat_Truck]

Did I even quote you? HoN has plenty of plus points. However, to dismiss a MOBA game after one game is a bit retarded. I don't like LoL at all, but I gave it at least 10 games to make sure that I did not like it. If you don't like it after 140 games, then I don't think there is a problem, you simply don't like it.I gave LoL a thousand games to prove that I didn't like it. I gave HoN at least a thousand as well.

If DotA 2 were never released, I just wouldn't be playing a MOBA.

[Laramii]

It's funny because those prices aren't too far off from what's gonna happen

Icefrog will never make us pay from play heroes that were free in W3.

And i dont think Valve will do that. Another thing is cosmetics...

Dont compare them with S2 games.

[Gipp]

is it me or does riki seem weaker than nighthound
blink strike wise.
he doesnt seem to attack immediately after pouncing on someone like nighthound does.
is this because of the "do not auto attack" option?
its really lame

[Gleaming]

Riki is stronger than NH. He's regularly picked up in competitive dota. They buffed him substantially last patch.

[Casshern]

That's the point of the picture...
It's a joke...


I know its a joke. I was saying I like the joke. lol

[nigmorris]

I've played close to 140 and my opinion still stands - that it's not as good as HoN. It's a matter of opinion really, you either like or you don't but neither is superior to the other and if you think so that's fanboyism talking = bias.

Edit: Oops double post

Your post is complete bias too then.

Let me list you some points. How is Dot2 NOT superior in having

-customization for every single hero in the game, with 6(?) different things. Shoulders, bracers, neck, weapon etc. etc.
-Support of the steam workshop. Download custommade skins/mods INGAME and keep them updated! + instantly rate them.
-Going to release the source SDK to let you create your own maps for Dota2
-The voicework, beautiful graphics, and all those nice response lines?

All those things that I mentioned have been announced by Valve, or are in beta already (even if it's just in the files).
I bet there's way more than those, but those are just the ones that instantly came into my mind which don't have anything to do with the gameplay itself.

If those points are not superior to you, you are either ignorant or just a complete S2 Fanboy. Which would mean that your opinion is biased. :)

Cheers, honey!

[Rope`]

I'm a Dota2 fanboy but none of those points you've listed have anything to do with the Dota gameplay.

[nigmorris]

I'm a Dota2 fanboy but none of those points you've listed have anything to do with the Dota gameplay.

That was the point of the post?
Those are things that make dota2 superior to HoN, without mentioning the gameplay, since that could be based on opinions.

[Rope`]

Ah, oops

[Bloodaxe]

That was the point of the post?
Those are things that make dota2 superior to HoN, without mentioning the gameplay, since that could be based on opinions.

And HoN will have Custom maps..

Also, Voices/Graphics are based on opinions. I find the voices annoying after awhile and turned them off, and prefer HoN style graphics.

What game you like is based off your opinion. Some people LOVE WoW and say it's the best game ever, and some people loath it.

It is just best to respect what people like. It sounds like you like DoTa2, I'm okay with that. I'll stick to HoN and LoL

[Projanglez]

another problem would be that people can´t distinguish between hon and s2 games.

hon is awesome on the one hand, on the other hand s2 turned to something evil and greedy after f2p.

hon had so much potential to become the best moba :(

[Hat_Truck]

I agree with several people within the last couple pages who say that you can't rate a person's enjoyment of a game. This is true.

In that sense, gameplay is simply a matter of preference, and the details don't really matter that much. However, you can rate aspects/details of the gameplay, in comparison to the other games.

I don't think anybody can argue that DotA 2 is much more balanced, strategic, and with a much larger portion of the pool available in competitive play than in HoN or LoL. In addition, DotA, being spearheaded by a person who made the game as famous as it is (let's be serious, if IceFrog had never shown up, DotA would just be a forgotten WC3 mod like all the others), has continued to be a game that puts gameplay before profit. As soon as a company begins adding a new hero/champion every 2 to 3 weeks like clockwork, it becomes clear what their main intentions have become. New DotA heroes are usually released after 4 or 5 months, and only after extensive testing and balance considerations. Even after the long gestation time of their release, they aren't available for tournament play until often a few months after that.

With all of the professional teams leaving HoN to play DotA 2 in beta, there's really no argument over which game has the better competitive environment and skill cap. LoL is a joke for comp. play, and is really made for casuals; which isn't a bad thing at all, it's just the reality.

So to the people who enjoy HoN and LoL more than DotA, I think they're welcome to that. I just think the gameplay is inferior in pretty much every quantifiable aspect in terms of competitive play.

[nigmorris]

And HoN will have Custom maps..

Also, Voices/Graphics are based on opinions. I find the voices annoying after awhile and turned them off, and prefer HoN style graphics.

What game you like is based off your opinion. Some people LOVE WoW and say it's the best game ever, and some people loath it.

It is just best to respect what people like. It sounds like you like DoTa2, I'm okay with that. I'll stick to HoN and LoL

Yes, custom maps, players awards and matchmaking on retail!

The graphic STYLE is debatable, but if you are trying to denie that dota2s graphics are WAY superior to HoN you don't know what you are talking about. If you like LoLs graphic style more than LoL - enjoy. But saying that LoLs actual GRAPHICS are better is wrong too.
There's a huge difference between those 2 things.

I don't respect opinions from people who have completly NO clue what they are talking about. Just a general thing I have.

[Hat_Truck]

Gotta defend Bloodaxe in saying that graphics are just an opinion, there's really no way to rate that. So I think it's unfair for you to criticize him for his views on that aspect.

As far as the custom maps claim goes, I'm still waiting.

[Tensei]

Actually, while the style of the graphics is subjective (HoN overall feels grittier with sharper outlines and hard angles), the pure technical quality isn't.

Dota 2 graphics are definitely objectively more advanced, you only have to compare the hero portraits between both games to see that the Dota 2 models are made up of way more polygons and higher resolution textures than HoN, and even do some fancy stuff like lip-synching and variable facial expressions.

[Projanglez]

Actually, while the style of the graphics is subjective (HoN overall feels grittier with sharper outlines and hard angles), the pure technical quality isn't.

Dota 2 graphics are definitely objectively more advanced, you only have to compare the hero portraits between both games to see that the Dota 2 models are made up of way more polygons and higher resolution textures than HoN, and even do some fancy stuff like lip-synching and variable facial expressions.

but u also have to mention the spell animations.
hon´s are better, hands down.

[Good_Apollo]

but u also have to mention the spell animations.
hon´s are better, hands down.
HoN probably has better effects on the whole, but it's hard to say when the ones that look good in DotA 2 look really ****ing good.

[Projanglez]

HoN probably has better effects on the whole, but it's hard to say when the ones that look good in DotA 2 look really ****ing good.

yep, but there are also animations like dark seer´s shield

[Grim]

yep, but there are also animations like dark seer´s shield

did you even look at pyro and Lina's ultimates?
pyro looks like some1 just threw some orange snowball at your face
Lina is pure win.

and this is just 1 hero

[Bloodaxe]

But I LOVE minecraft's graphics over say something like..Farcry 2.

Art is a expression. I dislike LoL's graphics (but play it alot due to friends and fun heroes/item options), But enjoy WoW's graphics. Both use the same cartoony feel, but with the exception of outlands, WoW is better for me.

The reason why I bring up custom maps is companies say they are going to do a lot before they release the game..but a lot does not take the cut, so until it is IN the game, you can't use it to compare vs other games. I mean if everything Dev's say that was going to be in a game, makes it in the game, games like GW would be TOTALLY different.

[Good_Apollo]

You're talking about aesthetics. You can like Minecraft's graphics all you want but you can't argue against a fact like: Far Cry 2's are technically superior.

It's pretty indisputable that DotA 2's graphics engine is superior to HoN's. Whether they take advantage of that engine to also create superior models and effects is debatable. I have reservations about certain models and effects in both games, technically speaking.

[nigmorris]

but u also have to mention the spell animations.
hon´s are better, hands down.

HoNs animations look like they are made for little kids.
No clear style concept, just random stuff added in (now even dragons and raptors!!!11), graveyards as a stun and other stuff.

It looks like the game should appeal to 10 year olds.

Dota2 has a clear and straight line in all animations, most of them with a nice animation and VERY detailed.

No flashy graphics, no graveyards flying around - just a clear style with clear animations.

[Hat_Truck]

It is a lot easier to tell wtf is going on in DotA.

[Evermourn]

Jeremy Lin plays Dota2 :D

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/04/03/jeremy-lin-holds-post-surgery-qa-with-facebook-fans/#

[Reldnahc]

Jeremy Lin plays Dota2 :D

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/04/03/jeremy-lin-holds-post-surgery-qa-with-facebook-fans/#

He's literally linsane.

[Lethe]

that's awesome. Endorsed by a pro basketball player :D

[Good_Apollo]

I really hope Icefrog doesn't keep his promise to port every DotA hero when there's **** like this guy (http://www.playdota.com/heroes/legion-commander).

I mean really, where is the intelligent design behind that hero? Why would you ever level his ult past 1...I don't know where to start with that passive.

[Loli]

There are lots of heroes with poor design, take Leroic for example.

While all the heroes will be ported, it doesn't mean all of them will be played still. Eventually poor ones will get reworks and, who knows, with Valve support of modding I wouldn't be suprised if some modded versions with community heroes and reworks gained popularity, especially if it's free to play.

[Bloodaxe]

So Techies gona be ported? is so, i might start playing dota2 again.

[Loli]

Eventually yes, but as sad as it is he'll prob be among the last :[

[Tensei]

There are lots of heroes with poor design, take Leroic for example.


YOU TAKE THAT BACK NOW.

Seriously I love SK and I usually build so many active items on him (armlet, soul ring, force staff) that it makes him a ton of fun to play. I don't think he's poorly designed, just very straightforward, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[Loli]

I will not take it back!

[Good_Apollo]

YOU TAKE THAT BACK NOW.

Seriously I love SK and I usually build so many active items on him (armlet, soul ring, force staff) that it makes him a ton of fun to play. I don't think he's poorly designed, just very straightforward, and there's nothing wrong with that.Who are you kidding? Let's give a hero a short cd stun then throw a passive crit, passive lifesteal and an aegis for an ult. "Look guys!" Icefrog exclaimed, "I've made a carry!"

[Bobble]

Who are you kidding? Let's give a hero a short cd stun then throw a passive crit, passive lifesteal and an aegis for an ult. "Look guys!" Icefrog exclaimed, "I've made a carry!"

But he's fun! and it does work, even though little effort has been put in. Just tweak it a bit, and it's all good.

[LoLPlaya_]

Are the Chinese teams playing Dota 2? Checked the rankings on GG.net and they are not there.

[Papilla]

Overall I like HoN graphics, animations and hero looks much more, but new heroes killed the gameplay to - one combo ur dead.

[SoulCrusher]

Who are you kidding? Let's give a hero a short cd stun then throw a passive crit, passive lifesteal and an aegis for an ult. "Look guys!" Icefrog exclaimed, "I've made a carry!"

Too bad it's not IceFrog's design. Leoric has been in DotA since forever.

Also: not every hero has to be super exciting to play...but that seems to be S2's fail hero policy.

[Thysios]

Who are you kidding? Let's give a hero a short cd stun then throw a passive crit, passive lifesteal and an aegis for an ult. "Look guys!" Icefrog exclaimed, "I've made a carry!"

So?
It's not like very hero is that simple. He's not allowed to create at least 1 basic hero?
Don't fix what isn't broken.

Personally I love Invoker though ^.^
As bad as I am with him.

[Gleaming]

Are the Chinese teams playing Dota 2? Checked the rankings on GG.net and they are not there.

They just started competing in DotA2.

[Lucian01]

I got my Dota 2 key the same day I got suspended from these forums and I've been playing it since. Took a little while to get used to the slow pace again but other than that I've really come to love the classic dota heroes.

I also got to swap a fat Lifestealer right into Thysios's face! (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=281610)

[Sinz3r]

I mean really, where is the intelligent design behind that hero? Why would you ever level his ult past 1...I don't know where to start with that passive.

That passive would proc in his ulti tho. Looks like Max skill 1, 1 in the debuff and the rest in your passive and ulti.

Pretty retarded hero but probably amazingly funny for the trolling abilities. A fairly strong ganking set though. Blink into support next to creeps, hit skill 1, self cast skill 2, hit duel, kill support and get 10 permanent DMG. If you can repeat that a few times, your just gonna facestomp. Sounds like a pubstar hero.

[Tensei]

Who are you kidding? Let's give a hero a short cd stun then throw a passive crit, passive lifesteal and an aegis for an ult. "Look guys!" Icefrog exclaimed, "I've made a carry!"

Well first of all, the hero is ancient, which explains the simplicity behind the skill mechanics, but the fact that he hasn't had a full rework like a lot of other heroes should tip you off that there is nothing fundamentally wrong with him. Seriously, go play him, he's a ton of fun, I was very sceptical at first as well.

Stuff like Armlet switching or baiting people out to overextend/towerdive with your ult add a surprising amount of gameplay depth and big play potential to him. It's unfortunate that popular picks like Invoker or AM counter him well, otherwise he would probably be picked up in competitive games a lot more. I actually recall a few teams experimenting with him after he got the buff to his ult (A free aegis every 60 seconds at level 16 is SICK)

[Evermourn]

Neeeeevermind...

[Loli]

No test patch today :[


Maybe Brewmaster + Ogri Magi next week!

[Grim]

Still waiting for Mortred and Lanaya >.>

[Slut]

Sigh still no PA

[xMiroku]

ahhh Dota2... its not that great in my opinion but then again its still in beta

[Bloodaxe]

Why don't they run two people mid? You will always get the rune, can gank without wasting EXP, and not let mid snowball with heroes like Nevermore and POTM.

[nigmorris]

Why don't they run two people mid? You will always get the rune, can gank without wasting EXP, and not let mid snowball with heroes like Nevermore and POTM.

Dota2 has more than 1 laning way going on at a time. Depending on the lineups (more than 1 OP thing is possible at a time, not like HoN) they do run dual mid.

Nevermore doesn't get picked anyway, if you are talking about pub games.. well, because they are pub games.

[Loli]

Nig, didn't Navi do a fairly well sidelane Nevermore recently in a tourney?

I'm pretty sure it was just a gimmick but iirc it went over well.

[nigmorris]

Nig, didn't Navi do a fairly well sidelane Nevermore recently in a tourney?

I'm pretty sure it was just a gimmick but iirc it went over well.

It was MTW afaik, and that wasn't middle. Was sidelane. :p

[Bobble]

No test patch today :[


Maybe Brewmaster + Ogri Magi next week!

Well, you just made my hope penis hard. Good job sir.

[Evermourn]

Nevermore has been picked recently (by more than one team), but always as a sidelane since dual lane mid is so common now.

[Loli]

Well, you just made my hope penis hard. Good job sir.

http://www.cyborgmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/ogre_magi_bloodlust1.png http://www.cyborgmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/ogre_magi_fireblast1.pnghttp://www.cyborgmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/ogre_magi_ignite1.png http://www.cyborgmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/ogre_magi_multicast1.png


http://www.cyborgmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Dota2_OgreMagiParticles_01.jpg
http://www.cyborgmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Dota2_OgreMagiParticles_02.jpg
http://www.cyborgmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Dota2_OgreMagiParticles_03.jpg
http://www.cyborgmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Dota2_OgreMagiParticles_04.jpg
http://www.cyborgmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Dota2_OgreMagiParticles_05.jpg
http://www.cyborgmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Dota2_OgreMagiParticles_06.jpg
http://www.cyborgmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Dota2_OgreMagiParticles_07.jpg


Him and Brewmaster are the closest to done via game files, but there are still the old ones they haven't touched in a while that could be released, like Lanaya and Gyrocopter.
Treant Protector may also be soon. It all depends on what they get done since there was a week of no releases, then again I don't expect a whole lot of work to be done while they're on vacation :Q

[`Fluttershy]

Has anyone seen the picture of the end game screen where one team is full of power rangers and some other funny ranger pun (I think it was walker texas ranger)? If you have post it please, I'm trying to find it.

[Ladokz]

I have two questions:

Why is the response time SO bad in this game?
How do I center my hero, like in HoN, default button C?

[Projanglez]

turn off v-sync and yes it should be c

[Ladokz]

turn off v-sync and yes it should be c

It is C, however I have to click it twice, and the camera isn't completely following the hero, but also the mouse movement. Is it possible to make it be like in HoN?

[nigmorris]

If the response time is "so horrible" it's your fault.

no, it's normal doubleclicking at the moment. The camera shouldnt follow the hero anyway, since that is horrible for the actual gameplay

[Ladokz]

If the response time is "so horrible" it's your fault.

no, it's normal doubleclicking at the moment. The camera shouldnt follow the hero anyway, since that is horrible for the actual gameplay

You don't understand. I don't want the camera to follow my hero constantly. I simply want the screen to go to the hero and hold like that until I release the button, just like in HoN. You know, the game, you play(ed)?

[Ogrim]

New change to the forums was strangely the last straw for me in regards to HoN.

off to Dota 2 and DIII

[nigmorris]

I'm pretty sure that's not possible (yet).

Maybe suggest it on the dev forums! :)

[Ladokz]

I'm pretty sure that's not possible (yet).

Maybe suggest it on the dev forums! :)
I might do :P

[Tensei]

You don't understand. I don't want the camera to follow my hero constantly. I simply want the screen to go to the hero and hold like that until I release the button, just like in HoN. You know, the game, you play(ed)?

Double-tap F1 and hold. Your camera will be centered and follow the hero until you let go. You can also double-click your heroes portrait, the camera will then center and follow the hero without having to hold down anything, until you try to scroll offscreen.

[patricken]

Anyone know if Dota 2 will be moddable like HoN? Love it so far but some things are absolute rubbish, such as the announcers are TERRIBLE and some hero models like sandking or leshrac, id love to see them modded to Magmus and Tort

[Projanglez]

can u mod hl2 and css?

dude we are talking about the source engine here!

[`Fluttershy]

Has anyone seen the picture of the end game screen where one team is full of power rangers and some other funny ranger pun (I think it was walker texas ranger)? If you have post it please, I'm trying to find it. bump.

[Steffen]

you still cant bind mouse3 and mousewheel up/down
makes me mad as ****.

and i am still extra ordinary bad at dota 2 after another 2 games^^

[`Fluttershy]

Has anyone seen the picture of the end game screen where one team is full of power rangers and some other funny ranger pun (I think it was walker texas ranger)? If you have post it please, I'm trying to find it. found it. no thanks to you guys. http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1ovznx9Ww1qc9u65o1_500.png

[Projanglez]

the 1st gen white ranger had the best costume :))

[Minaxter]

from a purely australian point of view, i prefer hon. Too used to minimal or no delay. Get on dota 2 and i feel like i have to pick some right click borefest/ranged character every game because its just so hard to react to anything jumping you.

[Lethe]

from a purely australian point of view, i prefer hon. Too used to minimal or no delay. Get on dota 2 and i feel like i have to pick some right click borefest/ranged character every game because its just so hard to react to anything jumping you.

yea u aussies will probably be waiting a bit for more favourable servers :p

[Bobble]

yea u aussies will probably be waiting a bit for more favourable servers :p

I am not waiting for that. Sure, USW has some delay, but i've dealt with it for everything else, the lag just comes naturally. I wouldn't know what to do with myself if I had instant reactions to my actions.

[Minaxter]

really bobble you dont feel the difference between hon aus servers and USW dota servers? i generally like to play supports, but in dota2 that just isnt an option. I find the game so sluggish i cant avoid things or react to things in the same way. Get stuck playing boring characters like clinkz or jungling with furion etc.

[D3ad13]

The "draw on map" feature needs to go, or I need to find a way to turn it off. It seems to be every troll's favorite tool - I don't think I've seen so many cartoon penises than I have in the last week.

That said, I'm really enjoying this game so far (otherwise). I know the graphics style is a pretty heavy point of contention for a lot of people, but I love it. The map is so, so lush with detail, it really makes the feel of the world come alive. Yes, that is the fantasy nerd in me, but it greatly lends to the atmosphere of battling over something very tangible. The other small details, like injured animations, back and forth hero interactions (I love it when Lina and Maiden start bickering with each other - "You cold hearted *****!"), unit responses, etc. Very fun so far!

[RedZone`]

The "draw on map" feature needs to go, or I need to find a way to turn it off. It seems to be every troll's favorite tool - I don't think I've seen so many cartoon penises than I have in the last week.


HoN used to have that too :D

[airplane]

found it. no thanks to you guys. http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1ovznx9Ww1qc9u65o1_500.png

nobody looked because it wasn't funny

[nigmorris]

The "draw on map" feature needs to go, or I need to find a way to turn it off. It seems to be every troll's favorite tool - I don't think I've seen so many cartoon penises than I have in the last week.

On which servers does this happen?

I never have penises in my games besides in those with wehsing.

[Rope`]

There's the occasional smart arse in the teamliquid in houses who decides to write on the map instead of typing, otherwise I've not had a problem with it.

[Tensei]

On which servers does this happen?

I never have penises in my games besides in those with wehsing.

But wehsings tactical penis drawing is necessary so team doesnt feed and he can make rape.

[nigmorris]

But wehsings tactical penis drawing is necessary so team doesnt feed and he can make rape.

..or he gets carried by my 28/0 Morphling or by my OD :p

[D3ad13]

Well, to be fair, most "penis doodling" happens during non-critical times, like the pre 0:00 mark. That doesn't bother me in the slightest; draw cocks to your heart's content - during that time. I think it just set me off because I was in a game with two friends who insisted on trolling the entire game. It started with them throwing slurs and profanity any time anyone said something, anything in chat. No biggie, but then they intentionally fed and spent most of the game in the well scribbling on the map (dicks included) and pinging like crazy so no one could see anything.

Speaking of *******s, how well does the RAP function work at this point? Does it cause much penalty, or does the game being in beta affect its severity?

[nigmorris]

RAP does somewhat work. No idea how, but I'm muted since several months and I always shout and flame my teammates. So I guess it's working fine.

Also had my key removed once, so I had to enter a new one.

[Gleaming]

Well, to be fair, most "penis doodling" happens during non-critical times, like the pre 0:00 mark. That doesn't bother me in the slightest; draw cocks to your heart's content - during that time. I think it just set me off because I was in a game with two friends who insisted on trolling the entire game. It started with them throwing slurs and profanity any time anyone said something, anything in chat. No biggie, but then they intentionally fed and spent most of the game in the well scribbling on the map (dicks included) and pinging like crazy so no one could see anything.

Speaking of *******s, how well does the RAP function work at this point? Does it cause much penalty, or does the game being in beta affect its severity?


I've used the Report function on I want to say 20'ish individuals; some more severe than others. Although I don't know WHO i got banned, you get a nice little message when you log on letting you know that due to your reporting, a person has banned. It's happened 3 or 4 times and is always a nice little thing to see.

[airplane]

I was in a game with two friends who insisted on trolling the entire game. It started with them throwing slurs and profanity any time anyone said something, anything in chat. No biggie, but then they intentionally fed and spent most of the game in the well scribbling on the map (dicks included) and pinging like crazy so no one could see anything.

your friends sound like the kind of people that ruined HoN (aside from s2). report them. i reported one of my friends when he was acting like that a couple months ago















shortly before i removed him from my friends list

[D3ad13]

your friends sound like the kind of people that ruined HoN (aside from s2). report them. i reported one of my friends when he was acting like that a couple months ago

Oops! I should've clarified - they weren't my friends, they were friends with each other. I wouldn't remain friends with people like that.

As for your friend, you did the right thing, IMO. :)

[Evermourn]

ECAL (Elite Cyber Athlete League), the organization that gave us the WE vs. Captain Planet showmatch which drew 1.4million viewers (http://www.ecal.tv/ecal-releases-showmatch-figures/), just announced their new Dota2 tournament/league complete with a LAN finals.

http://www.ecal.tv/

[Rope`]

I bet elite cyber athletes get all the girls.

[Evermourn]

Dota2 will be at DHS and DHW 2012 with a total prizepool of 400,000 SEK (~60,000 USD)

http://www.dreamhack.se/dhs12/2012/04/10/dreamhack-dota-2-vengeance-cup/

[Octopussy]

You don't understand. I don't want the camera to follow my hero constantly. I simply want the screen to go to the hero and hold like that until I release the button, just like in HoN. You know, the game, you play(ed)?

alias +herocentre "+dota_camera_follow; -dota_camera_follow; dota_camera_lock 1;"
alias -herocentre "dota_camera_lock 0;"
bind C +herocentre
bind "F2" "exec autoexec.cfg"

thats the command you are looking for, now its just like in hon, just press f2 when ingame to execute the config.

make an autoexec.cfg file and put it here Steam\steamapps\common\dota 2 beta\dota\cfg

[bredPitt]

alias +herocentre "+dota_camera_follow; -dota_camera_follow; dota_camera_lock 1;"
alias -herocentre "dota_camera_lock 0;"
bind C +herocentre
bind "F2" "exec autoexec.cfg"

thats the command you are looking for, now its just like in hon, just press f2 when ingame to execute the config.

make an autoexec.cfg file and put it here Steam\steamapps\common\dota 2 beta\dota\cfg

Thank you so much.

[Hax]

I have a question.


Why do people keep making Icefrog out to be some kind of master balancer.. When every competitive game has the same picks and bans?

[Projanglez]

the current heroes ain´t that imba.

wait till naga, mort, meepo, terrorblade and phantom lancer are released :D

[Loli]

New patch, no heroes though.
Just Random Draft and teams.


http://i.imgur.com/L8Iz8.jpg

[Loli]

Also Meepo's WIP portait looks pretty lulzy

http://i.imgur.com/CUU7p.png

[Driziationz]

hey loli add me ingame there, i'm so sick of solo queueing. an we like queue with a friend?

my nick there is "Glavior" btw.

[PlasmaPony]

I really like the look of Brewmaster. While not a panda, they at least went with black and white mammalian to keep the fanboys from burning down the offices. I REALLY hope that Nessaj portrait isn't the final one. I really don't like it at all. It looks bad.

[Loli]

No, Chaos Knight and Meepo are works in progress.
Here's an example of PL WIP and near finish:

http://www.cyborgmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/npc_dota_hero_phantom_lancer.png
http://i.imgur.com/h18Di.png

[Reldnahc]

I see Kimhari is coming along nicely.

[Loli]

Did you know that story battles are scaled on levels so you never need to level Kimhari?

Good ****. No one liked him.
Just like no one likes Phantom Lancer.
A perfect fit.

[Reldnahc]

Did you know that story battles are scaled on levels so you never need to level Kimhari?

Good ****. No one liked him.
Just like no one likes Phantom Lancer.
A perfect fit.

What, I loved Kimhari. Also you made no sense, the leveling system worked nothing like that in FFX.

[Loli]

If you never touched Kimahri, the only fights you were forced to use Kimahri were scaled down.

i.e. when you fight his brothers they're both incredibly weak.

[Reldnahc]

If you never touched Kimahri, the only fights you were forced to use Kimahri were scaled down.

i.e. when you fight his brothers they're both incredibly weak.

Riku was my throwaway character. Loved me some Kimhari.

[Frozone]

is there anyone willing to share dota2 beta key with me?, i really wanted to play so badly, and still got no luck yet, until right nw. .

thanks btw,

[BossKoala]

This game is really, really, really, REALLY BAD. Ill be staying on HoN, if only Axeso5 does a decent job.

[Loli]

Riku & Auron best characters, never touched Kimahri.

[IPeonPeons]

Appropriate thread to be offering DotA 2 keys?

Got 4, PM me for info.

(If not, I'll take it elsewhere. :p)

[zOle`]

Where i can get a Dota2 key ? want to try this :p

[Laramii]

I would give one invite here, but opinions like the peruvian one (im from Peru) makes me sick. They dont even try to play like 20 games, so they can like the game. I say this because in Peru dota is really big, everyone plays it or know it.

[ROT]

tried it for another 15 games this past week, still sucks to me and gets so boring..everyone plays like hans2 from dota1, farm farm farm, even tho 2 rax gone in enemy base ima keep farming, 55 min marks comes out of woods with raiper and kills the half hp throne, waste of my time..

dont knock if before you try it, well i tried it, multiple times, almost at 100 games..still don't like it..and 1000 more won't change it unless some major improvements happen, but they are catering to the comp scene right now and all the doodads that improve the performance of the game are pushed aside to make way for the HARDCORE kids

Valve made a mistake by putting icefrog above all authority on the creation of Dota2, hes pretty much made it a carbon copy of Warcraft 3s mechanics without the 1000s of maps to be played, not knockin his skill using the wc3 map maker but from what I have read hes only allowing his own ideas to be implemented and brushing the rest of the teams off, HoN was a copy of dota but atleast there was major improvements in control, actions and performance..Dota2 is Warcraft 3s engine rebuilt around Source..thats all it is

Example: shivas, compare dota2 and dota1, its the EXACT SAME mechanic
Pudge hook: dota1vsdota2, no difference..literally..

many more but im to lazy, tldr; dota2=warcraft3's engine with source graphics and a UI and MM, thats all it is.

The only thing that will save it is the hardcore following, the game itself won't be much different from dota on wc3 lag included, if I wanted to play dota on battle.net i would install Wc3..and get 1000s of other mini games/maps with it..

it is way below my expectations coming from dota1 2005-2009..i am just utterly disappointed, the coolest thing in it so far is the little commend player for leadership/teaching etc..rest is laughable

[Minaxter]

tried it for another 15 games this past week, still sucks to me and gets so boring..everyone plays like hans2 from dota1, farm farm farm, even tho 2 rax gone in enemy base ima keep farming, 55 min marks comes out of woods with raiper and kills the half hp throne, waste of my time..

dont knock if before you try it, well i tried it, multiple times, almost at 100 games..still don't like it..and 1000 more won't change it unless some major improvements happen, but they are catering to the comp scene right now and all the doodads that improve the performance of the game are pushed aside to make way for the HARDCORE kids

Valve made a mistake by putting icefrog above all authority on the creation of Dota2, hes pretty much made it a carbon copy of Warcraft 3s mechanics without the 1000s of maps to be played, not knockin his skill using the wc3 map maker but from what I have read hes only allowing his own ideas to be implemented and brushing the rest of the teams off, HoN was a copy of dota but atleast there was major improvements in control, actions and performance..Dota2 is Warcraft 3s engine rebuilt around Source..thats all it is

Example: shivas, compare dota2 and dota1, its the EXACT SAME mechanic
Pudge hook: dota1vsdota2, no difference..literally..

many more but im to lazy, tldr; dota2=warcraft3's engine with source graphics and a UI and MM, thats all it is.

The only thing that will save it is the hardcore following, the game itself won't be much different from dota on wc3 lag included, if I wanted to play dota on battle.net i would install Wc3..and get 1000s of other mini games/maps with it..

it is way below my expectations coming from dota1 2005-2009..i am just utterly disappointed, the coolest thing in it so far is the little commend player for leadership/teaching etc..rest is laughable

I feel the exact same as you, The lag is horrible especially for australians. HoN has the better engine by far, my friends all want me to play dota 2, including my brother. They all have HoN legacy accounts but never really gave it a good go, and havent played on the aussie servers. I just cant understand what the appeal of dota 2 is..

It is just as slow and crappy as the custom games in wc3 hosted by some guy sitting in russia with a 56k modem. At least in wc3 i can play other maps etc..

[FUS_RO_DAH`]

After 250 Games of Dota 2 i can just agree with the two posters above me, Dota 2 is extremely bad from a technical standpoint for a game from 2012. Its just embarassing that a big company like Valve fails compared to S2Games in the technical department. Literally not a single reason to switch to Dota 2 unless your a competitive player that goes for money and tournaments, the whole game feels like HoN underwater with artifical delay and TERRIBLE animations. Bad UI and Icons, and some Spell effects just look like ****, just compare Pyromancer to Lina, Witch slayer to Lion, i mean seriously? Only thing this Game has over HoN right now is voice acting.

[Laramii]

If you dont like dota, then dont play his sequel.

[Lethe]

col. vs. nextkz right now, SB picked, husk and BS banned lol. Reverse pick ftw

[Loli]

People who say K2 is better than Source make me laugh so hard.

[airplane]

Dota 2 is extremely bad from a technical standpoint for a game from 2012

delusional


Pudge hook: dota1vsdota2, no difference..literally..

just another delusional idiot.. you have clearly never played DotA if you think dota 2's pudge hooks the same way



also, rikku and kimarhi are just throwaway characters. everyone else at least has purpose. and yuna doesn't really have a purpose besides aeons either once you get lulu white magic (if youve played FFX international).

my main team was tidus, auron, lulu/wakka

[Hax]

People who say K2 is better than Source make me laugh so hard.

From an ARTS viewpoint, what exactly does source do better than K2?

[Casshern]

All I know is Dota2 looks ALOT better than HoN.

[Good_Apollo]

tried it for another 15 games this past week, still sucks to me and gets so boring..everyone plays like hans2 from dota1, farm farm farm, even tho 2 rax gone in enemy base ima keep farming, 55 min marks comes out of woods with raiper and kills the half hp throne, waste of my time..

dont knock if before you try it, well i tried it, multiple times, almost at 100 games..still don't like it..and 1000 more won't change it unless some major improvements happen, but they are catering to the comp scene right now and all the doodads that improve the performance of the game are pushed aside to make way for the HARDCORE kids

Valve made a mistake by putting icefrog above all authority on the creation of Dota2, hes pretty much made it a carbon copy of Warcraft 3s mechanics without the 1000s of maps to be played, not knockin his skill using the wc3 map maker but from what I have read hes only allowing his own ideas to be implemented and brushing the rest of the teams off, HoN was a copy of dota but atleast there was major improvements in control, actions and performance..Dota2 is Warcraft 3s engine rebuilt around Source..thats all it is

Example: shivas, compare dota2 and dota1, its the EXACT SAME mechanic
Pudge hook: dota1vsdota2, no difference..literally..

many more but im to lazy, tldr; dota2=warcraft3's engine with source graphics and a UI and MM, thats all it is.

The only thing that will save it is the hardcore following, the game itself won't be much different from dota on wc3 lag included, if I wanted to play dota on battle.net i would install Wc3..and get 1000s of other mini games/maps with it..

it is way below my expectations coming from dota1 2005-2009..i am just utterly disappointed, the coolest thing in it so far is the little commend player for leadership/teaching etc..rest is laughable
No, DOTA 2 emulates the WC3 engine as far as feel but it's vastly different from a technical standpoint. There's a reason why pudge hook+chen teleport causes an amusing effect where it does nothing in dota.

Source is the superior engine, optimization alone is about 10 years ahead of K2.

[SniperNinja]

Oh god, got my dota2 key yesterday, the nostalgia! D: It feels pretty much how i remember DotA, to bad all bots are stupid as ****, to ez :p Well guess I'll play with real ppl tomorrow :)

It's crystalclear to me now, you can definitly not compare heroes from dota with hon heroes. They have different numbers because it's different games, I just need a key for my friend now.

If anyone have a key and don't feel like playing Dota2 send me a pm, would appreciate it :)

[YEPMAD]

Can someone PM me a KEY? Been trying to get one for 4months now :( thanks

[Snuffeldjur]

rate 1000000
cl_interp 0
cl_interp_ratio 1
cl_smoothtime 0.01

in console if you want to lower your delay

Dota 2 > HoN

[FUS_RO_DAH`]

and just another placebo that wont fix anything

the delay will never be fixed

[sherpa]

rate 1000000 (tel:1000000)
cl_interp 0
cl_interp_ratio 1
cl_smoothtime 0.01

in console if you want to lower your delay

Dota 2 > HoN

These HL/CS net commands are mostly used to make hitboxes and models match more accurately, not really applicable in dota in my opinion. cmdrate and updaterate are defaulted to 20 which I think is proof of this.

[airplane]

These HL/CS net commands are mostly used to make hitboxes and models match more accurately

LOL?

all those commands are related to how much information the client receives and sends out. it has nothing to do with hitboxes or models.

christ why do people even talk out of their ass if they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about

all rate commands are locked and re-configured by whatever dota 2 server you connect to, and updaterate/cmdrate are both capped at 20. the variables snuffeldjur posted don't do anything at all

[sherpa]

LOL?

all those commands are related to how much information the client receives and sends out. it has nothing to do with hitboxes or models.

christ why do people even talk out of their ass if they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about

all rate commands are locked and re-configured by whatever dota 2 server you connect to, and updaterate/cmdrate are both capped at 20. the variables snuffeldjur posted don't do anything at all

You're wrong. Interpolation commands adjusts how much guess work the client does in between server packets. Your last paragraph is correct however, as I said.

[Snuffeldjur]

... christ why do people even talk out of their ass if they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about

all rate commands are locked and re-configured by whatever dota 2 server you connect to, and updaterate/cmdrate are both capped at 20. ...Oh the irony. Maybe it differs from gateway to gateway, but at least for me in Europe cmd- and updaterate are capped at 30.

Not sure if you tried the cvars or mean something else when saying they do nothing, but the time between click and move is significantly lower for me and my friends after we entered those cvars.

[airplane]

You're wrong. Interpolation commands adjusts how much guess work the client does in between server packets. Your last paragraph is correct however, as I said.

you're right, but that only applies to the interp variables. what i said about the rate commands is still true.

[huY]

If anyone could invite me or send me a beta key, it would really be appreciated. Thank you!

[xMiroku]

Dota2 beta's are easy to come by these days.
if your on the Steam Trades forums some people will trade you an invite for lets say, a TF2 hat or something.

[Razb_]

also u can follow ArtStyle on twitter,some times he gives away some keys

[airplane]

http://www.playdota.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=2364&pictureid=39373

[Loli]

So epic looking. I love you Valve.

http://dota2.cyborgmatt.com/gifs/DotA2_SF-NewUlty.gif

[Projanglez]

hell yeah buddy

http://www.joindota.com/en/news/2898-dota-2-update-enter-brewmaster

[Razb_]

new cyborgmatt blog post http://www.cyborgmatt.com/2012/04/dota-2-18th-april/

[King_Hadu]

The graphics in this game is Legendary.

yet we have noobs on this forum claiming the artwork is horrible and hon has better graphics ROFL

[King_Hadu]

And Vanguard actually blocks 40 attack damage compared to the garbage HOTBL in HON that only blocks 30 assuming you have a charge.

One of the reason I despise HON is cause how they nerfed Legonaire, first with HOTBL and now with his whirling blade. They just could not leave him alone. Now he is trash.

When I play with Axe in DOTA 2 I feel as though he is what legonaire should have been.

[Projanglez]

i hate that ****ing dot. as a support u can´t almost do a **** against it and i miss the legio charge, so kewl :(

[airplane]

i hate that ****ing dot. as a support u can´t almost do a **** against it and i miss the legio charge, so kewl :(

communicate with your carry/team and get a last hit/deny?

battle hunger is pretty gay, i'll admit, but a lot of people forget it goes off as soon as you kill something. so many times i've been battle hunger'd by axe on shadowfiend with like 200 hp and i just turned towards the jungle, triple razed and managed to survive.

[Sinz3r]

Had to play HoN last night as STEAM in Germany was down. Go mid as Legion side MK against DW. DW is obviously out csing me and then gets a bottle and goes off to bot rune. I ping 20 times, call miss as they are pushed up on the tower. Bam double kill, the flaming starts. Couple of levels later, DW goes towards bot again, ping ping ping, miss called. Bam idiots don't listen and then double kill again. The Artesia who is at 4 deaths now, (they die without the ganking), starts going mental. Of course it is my fault for calling, pinging and shouting at them to get back. Obviously I am supposed to leave mid for them and somehow rescue them magically, instead of just letting DW waste his time. So Artesia raging like a baboon on crack starts feeding purposely. All I can do is LOL.

This morning get to play DOTA2, our OD goes mid and feeds bane like a mofo. What happens, a couple of comments of disappointment, a fairly mature discussion on how to use imprisonment and an apology from the OD for trying something new out and failing badly.

Playing HoN is so fricking annoying and emotionally retarded. In over 100 games of DOTA2, I have seen maybe 2-3 players who were worthy of a report. You have to be lucky to go 10 games in HoN without a massive ragefest. I am not sure whether it is a combination of no stats, the game tied to your STEAM account or the game not being full of cheesy mocking announcers/taunts. The HoN community is such a bunch of toxic ragetards.

[Demacish]

And it's confirmed that Dota 2 will be Free to play (Surprise!) http://joindota.com/en/news/2910-dota-2-to-go-free-to-play-with-a-twist

[DesperagoN]

http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/4/20/2961883/dota-2-will-be-free-to-play-with-a-twist

[Fynnon]

i have Dota 2 but HoN is ...nicer, it just looks better

[Loli]

i have Dota 2 but HoN is ...nicer, it just looks better

Hahahahahaha

[Naib]

DOTA2 pricing:

http://games.slashdot.org/story/12/04/20/1917205/pay-less-if-youre-a-nice-person-valves-freemium-model-for-dota-2


"In a podcast interview with Seven Day Cooldown (http://www.sevendaycooldown.com/site/episode001/), summarized by Develop, Valve Boss Gabe Newell discusses the payment model for upcoming strategy game DOTA 2. 'The issue that we're struggling with quite a bit is something I've kind of talked about before, which is: how do you properly value people's contributions to a community? ... An example is – and this is something as an industry we should be doing better – is charging customers based on how much fun they are to play with (http://www.develop-online.net/news/40568/Valve-DOTA-2-will-be-a-new-kind-of-free-to-play). ... “So, in practice, a really likable person in our community should get DOTA 2 for free, because of past behavior in Team Fortress 2. Now, a real jerk that annoys everyone, they can still play, but a game is full price and they have to pay an extra hundred dollars if they want voice.'"

[sherpa]

Really would like to know how the performance bars are judged. My Lycan has something like a 3/8 W:L ratio which is really poor considering how strong he is, yet he's got the 5/5 bars maxed. Clearly the game rates more things than just winning or losing but support heroes that I play well have 2 bars.

Inb4 you shouldn't care about bars.

[Ryuusan]

Really would like to know how the performance bars are judged. My Lycan has something like a 3/8 W:L ratio which is really poor considering how strong he is, yet he's got the 5/5 bars maxed. Clearly the game rates more things than just winning or losing but support heroes that I play well have 2 bars.

Inb4 you shouldn't care about bars.

As far as I know, performance bars are based on how well you do compared to others in your bracket, and that game stats contribute more than win/loss (i.e. k/d, etc).

Also, you shouldn't care about bars.

[Gleaming]

hero_id
items
gold
kills
deaths
assists
leaver_status
last_hits
denies
gold_per_min
xp_per_minute
gold_spent
level
hero_damage
tower_damage
hero_healing
support_ability_value
scaled_kills
scaled_deaths
scaled_assists

[Numerio]

Im sure I have the longest bars

but how do you know in which bracket you are? or if you are getting better or worse?
I think having other people not see your stats is great, but it should be possible for myself to see them... :-/

[Dacaj]

but how do you know in which bracket you are? or if you are getting better or worse?
I think having other people not see your stats is great, but it should be possible for myself to see them... :-/

I think the only way to tell which bracket you're in is from replay file or something.. it apparently says low, medium etc. or something somewhere in the replay but don't quote me on that, I haven't bothered to look for myself just something I red on pd forums. Don't think there's any other way. Honestly, I hope they would hide your win / loss stats from yourself too - not that mine is bad but I'm kinda tryhard type of player and although I'd like to say I don't care about win/loss, I actually do and I can't help it. :p

Also, looking for an additional beta key for a friend of mine whos finally ready to leave HoN behind. I've given all my keys away already :|

[chamois]

Go to watch and recent games, then filter by your name, and there are buttons for high, medium and low skill. Select them to see where your games are

[orlando]

2 pages low , 1 mid and 47 high

[the_guy117]

And it's confirmed that Dota 2 will be Free to play (Surprise!) http://joindota.com/en/news/2910-dota-2-to-go-free-to-play-with-a-twist
LOL! Let the trolling commence!

[Sinz3r]

Yup the replay option shows whether your games are rated as high, medium or low skill. However, the high bracket in DOTA2 is pretty meaningless. I am currently at 57% win ratio after 120 games, a lot better than my HoN record and play only high rated games now. Probably as HoN rating is far more balanced, there are truely some terribad players in "high" rated games in DOTA2, players that would be below 1400MMR in HoN.

[Lethe]

high rated is like 1600+ hon equivalent

[Projanglez]

yeah nothing special. reached it after 4 low games and 3 medium games.

the road to 1800 in hon is way harder

[Loli]

The road to 1800 wasn't hard at all

[Projanglez]

solo mmr. ain´t easy if u have to support scrubs.

and absolute difficult ≠ relative difficult

[Laramii]

Oh yeah

After his trip to Valve, TOBI confirmed that there wont be hero unlocks, all will be available for the players.

Cosmetic items will be just cosmetic, wont affect the game.

The HUD is going to change.

Before the international, there will be only 5 heroes left.

[Roux]

You're in high games once you have over 50% win, so yes the rating regarding low,medium,high says nothing at all atm.
And the internal rating system that nobody can see except valve were WehSing is #1 is kinda stupid too. Commendations can push your rating quite hard and those have nothing to do with skill.

[HonStinks]

Please don't contaminate the Dota2 playerbase with your statistics obsessions. Just keep it to yourself.

Look at how shitty the HoN playerbase is (not that there would be much to celebrate about Dota 2 playerbase, but it is genuinely better). You could wipe your ass on the HoN community after taking a horrible fever diarrhea dump and your ass would get dirtier. I'd dare say a lot of this shitty social interaction is rooted in having these pointless stats visible to the players, because all they do is give players some deluded notion of selfworth, as if playing videogames would be time well spent.

[patricken]

Please don't contaminate the Dota2 playerbase with your statistics obsessions. Just keep it to yourself.

Look at how shitty the HoN playerbase is (not that there would be much to celebrate about Dota 2 playerbase, but it is genuinely better). You could wipe your ass on the HoN community after taking a horrible fever diarrhea dump and your ass would get dirtier. I'd dare say a lot of this shitty social interaction is rooted in having these pointless stats visible to the players, because all they do is give players some deluded notion of selfworth, as if playing videogames would be time well spent.

http://stats.dota2.be

what now?

[Gleaming]

http://stats.dota2.be

what now?

It'd take a reprehensible human being to actually scope out people's account while in-game. As long as the stats aren't easily accessible INGAME, then it's all good.

[Lethe]

holy crap. Dunno how ursa has 58% win percentage lol

[ckocksch]

I just got into the Dota2 Beta, hope to see some of you guys around also.

[SoulCrusher]

holy crap. Dunno how ursa has 58% win percentage lol

He's the best pubstomp hero...so that is natural?

[Alarinde_]

Ill be giving Dota 2 keys in the near future check out
http://www.justin.tv/whatgametoday

[Good_Apollo]

You're in high games once you have over 50% win, so yes the rating regarding low,medium,high says nothing at all atm.
And the internal rating system that nobody can see except valve were WehSing is #1 is kinda stupid too. Commendations can push your rating quite hard and those have nothing to do with skill.There's no way. I have a 53% winrate and I still get stuck with retards that first pick **** like Clinkz and fail miserably. I can tell when someone is just having a bad game but I can also tell when someone is just garbage, going carry builds on VS and feeding like mad. Or the best was when I had a Void and a Riki go mid and argue all game while our Stormspirit, Pudge AND Nevermore take lanes. I tried to support them with CM, it didn't matter.

Also, commendations up your rating...what the ****?

[EDIT] Oh yeah, it's a **** system. After looking at my games I see I'm paired up with kids that have a 50-60% winrate because they've won like 2 or 5 out of their 4-10 games. Dumb...that stat-site at least showed me why I feel like I'm consistently paired with new players despite having over 200 games played. I actually am since apparently win percentage is all that rating takes into account and anyone can fluke a few wins even if they have no clue. I also notice in a lot of my losses that I'm paired up with some people that have <50% but almost 1000 games played...

[BoWDoWN2Me]

Just want to share my thoughts on Dota 2, ITS ****. I would rather play dota.

[Metalelf]

Or the best was when I had a Void and a Riki go mid and argue all game while our Stormspirit, Pudge AND Nevermore take lanes. I tried to support them with CM, it didn't matter.


So there were 6 heroes on your team that game?

[Bloodaxe]

Please don't contaminate the Dota2 playerbase with your statistics obsessions. Just keep it to yourself.

Look at how shitty the HoN playerbase is (not that there would be much to celebrate about Dota 2 playerbase, but it is genuinely better). You could wipe your ass on the HoN community after taking a horrible fever diarrhea dump and your ass would get dirtier. I'd dare say a lot of this shitty social interaction is rooted in having these pointless stats visible to the players, because all they do is give players some deluded notion of selfworth, as if playing videogames would be time well spent.

So any game with stats, makes the player base crappy?

WoW, Which is all about stats, has a much better community then HoN and Dota.

Playing video games can very well be time well spent. I rather see someone get home from work, and go play video games, then get home, grab a beer and watch sports.

But then again, why argue with someone with your name. Haters gonna hate.

[eNTe_eXe]

There's no way. I have a 53% winrate and I still get stuck with retards that first pick **** like Clinkz and fail miserably. I can tell when someone is just having a bad game but I can also tell when someone is just garbage, going carry builds on VS and feeding like mad. Or the best was when I had a Void and a Riki go mid and argue all game while our Stormspirit, Pudge AND Nevermore take lanes. I tried to support them with CM, it didn't matter.

A

Your win % has nothing to do with your rating. Matchmaking works in a way that you should be around 50% win. Hence why Singsing has 57% win rate atm.

[Ryuusan]

New HUD + Shop items (taken from reddit because I'm too lazy to make a picture myself):

http://i.imgur.com/Rlj6T.jpg?1

Better than before, but lots of things could still be added (levels, hp/mana bars for allies at the top, etc). Courier now shows who it's going to and a CD for glyph.

[eNTe_eXe]

How is that better than before? Looks at the healthbar, which is not centered. The area that shows damage and stats is HUGE, and the font reminds me of league of legends. (not that this is neccessarily bad, but I think it looks unclean)

Shop items used to have a simple, clean look. Now they are really dark compared to before. The might look more realistic now, it does not add to the game however, as it follows a cartoonish pattern. Realistic icons will look outdated quickly (look at HoN).

I personally do not like it. They probably will not change it, but unless they AT LEAST center the health bar, this is not acceptable. Your focus when looking at the HUD is directed at nothing at all, but the health and mana should be your primary concern.

[Loli]

Why would they need to be centered?

[Numerio]

the new HUD is better, but I miss some little scoreboard like in hon

the hero stats page is indeed to big, I liked it actually the way it was before

but what changed at the items?
look the same like before to me

[Projanglez]

here you go numerio: http://www.joindota.com/en/news/2941-dota-2-test-build-new-item-and-hud-design

i like the new changes, but it will take some time to get used to the displaced healt-/manabar.

[Tensei]

I'd say give it at least a week or two before bashing the new UI/image icons. It's a pretty basic human reaction to be wary of any changes to things you're familiar with. Remember how in fall last year SO MANY people were complaining about the obstructive UI and how WIP some of the item icons looked (lol Force Staff).

I gotta say that I like the new features of the UI but I'm not a fan of the rock-like 'filler' space you get on widescreen monitors, it looks a bit too busy. It looks excellent on a 4:3 monitor though.

[Gleaming]

I like the new changes.

[Nepila]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soAHziGHlgY I MADE DOTA VIDIO! NOw i become famous!

[Hat_Truck]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soAHziGHlgY I MADE DOTA VIDIO! NOw i become famous!
That video was pretty good quality. What song were you using?

[BerriePie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soAHziGHlgY I MADE DOTA VIDIO! NOw i become famous!

dat bait.

[Sinz3r]

So after the promises of a packed April in competitive HoN once again fizzled out. I have been watching the StarSeries finals cast by Purge. Dam there are some big plays. A good example of how competitive HoN should have been, solid casting, good games and big plays.

[HugoChavez]

Na'Vi ever lost a game? :S

whats the deal with that team making other team look like noobs :s

even when fnatic/MSI was in their best moments, they didnt look that op vs other top 5 teams..

[Gleaming]

Na'Vi ever lost a game? :S

whats the deal with that team making other team look like noobs :s

even when fnatic/MSI was in their best moments, they didnt look that op vs other top 5 teams..


The funny part is the Chinese make Na'Vi look like 1300 pubs. Now that DK, TongFu, Panda, CLC, EHOME(reformed) are entering the DotA 2 scene, expect some disgusting play. It's gonna be a bloodbath.

[Hax]

The funny part is the Chinese make Na'Vi look like 1300 pubs. Now that DK, TongFu, Panda, CLC, EHOME(reformed) are entering the DotA 2 scene, expect some disgusting play. It's gonna be a bloodbath.
Nothing like the China fanboys.


Tell me again, how did the Chinese do at the international?

[Lethe]

to be fair, they were on a tight schedule, scrapping by on whoever they could get.

I don't know if they are on Navi's league, but they have some good plays up their sleeve, especially as the pool grows.

[Gleaming]

Nothing like the China fanboys.


Tell me again, how did the Chinese do at the international?


I'm not even a Chinese fanboy, my favourite team to watch is CLG, nice retarded assumptions as usual. And the Chinese(EHOME) got 2nd place and Scythe got 3rd, are you stupid or mentally braindead?

[HugoChavez]

guys, just chill. no need to be rude.

i assumed Na'Vi came from Dota1. they werent in the top 3 there?

so, dota comp scene is waiting for chinesse to get Na'Vi? or is there any other team who can beat them (not talking about beat them in 1 scrim or 1 match)

Regards