The OFFICIAL DOTA2 Thread

[nigmorris]

You probably got a trashpc then, and the game is not meant to run on your PC just (yet).

HoN requires barely anything, and that's what you get - barely anything.

In Dota2 you got impressive graphics etc. etc.

The feeders.. well yea, your first ~20 games are like Sc2s retardbracket.

Just keep in your mind that you probably played HoN for 2 years now, and of course Dota2 is something new. It's going to feel different in the beginning.

[Aediono]

You probably got a trashpc then, and the game is not meant to run on your PC just (yet).


My gaming rig isn't a trash PC. No idea why it lags.

[Loli]

What're your specs?
Running HoN on full really doesn't take much of anything, very low quality textures.

[nigmorris]

My gaming rig isn't a trash PC. No idea why it lags.

If your PC is not trash, and your drivers and everything is updated then it OBVIOUSLY shouldn't lag.

[Aediono]

If your PC is not trash, and your drivers and everything is updated then it OBVIOUSLY shouldn't lag.


Because everything works the same on every computer, and there are never any conflicts? Come now, everyone knows computers are sentient beings driven to both serve and destroy us through gradual mental erosion.

[nigmorris]

Because everything works the same on every computer, and there are never any conflicts? Come now, everyone knows computers are sentient beings driven to both serve and destroy us through gradual mental erosion.

That's what americans think. Other countries like to have logic behind their ****, and that normally works fine.

http://dev.dota2.com/forumdisplay.php?f=23 Performance & Technical Support

[Gorb]

If your PC is not trash, and your drivers and everything is updated then it OBVIOUSLY shouldn't lag.
And yet there is "lag" (be it network or graphical) when running HoN under those conditions. There is "lag" running any game under those conditions for a select few unfortunate individuals.

It stands to reason there could be issues with the DotA 2 client, especially considering it's relative age (i.e. it's new).

Let's not speak in black and white, eh?

[Kyonko]

The bloody delay that they carried over from DotA!

Which makes it harder, I guess?

[nigmorris]

And yet there is "lag" (be it network or graphical) when running HoN under those conditions. There is "lag" running any game under those conditions for a select few unfortunate individuals.

It stands to reason there could be issues with the DotA 2 client, especially considering it's relative age (i.e. it's new).

Let's not speak in black and white, eh?

I thought I commented on that. HoN requires barely anything - and that's what you get for it.
That's like trying to compare.. Hmm.. I guess call of duty 2 with call of duty 4-6 (graphics wise).

Obviously the PC that runs Call of Duty 2 just fine won't run Call of Duty 4-6 with the same performance.


The bloody delay that they carried over from DotA!

Which makes it harder, I guess?

I will comment on the second part - Tiny has other mechanics, for example the toss isn't the nearest unit - it's a random unit in 300 range to you. Which makes the whole comboing/tossing the right targetthingy way harder.

[Loli]

There's only a 50ms delay built in now Kyonko iirc.
That's negligible considering the average ping is 70-110ms anyways.

[nigmorris]

There's only a 50ms delay built in now Kyonko iirc.
That's negligible considering the average ping is 70-110ms anyways.

Results in a 25ms second delay on your end, yes.

The funny thing is - you actually won't hear anyone complaining that played the game for a while, at least I've not seen one yet.

[Loli]

I think people confuse some of the slower cast/attack animations and turn speeds with unit response.

like lina.
why lina... why.

[Thysios]

Have you ever played Dota? When you don't click ready within a certain amount of time, all 10 people have to requeue.

Yeah, but it doesn't really affect the game at all.
I the + side you don't get as many afk'ers. Though I did forget to press it a couple times when I was alt-tabbed, that's only cause I forgot I had to do it.

[Gorb]

I thought I commented on that. HoN requires barely anything - and that's what you get for it.
That's like trying to compare.. Hmm.. I guess call of duty 2 with call of duty 4-6 (graphics wise).

Obviously the PC that runs Call of Duty 2 just fine won't run Call of Duty 4-6 with the same performance.
Oh, sorry, I missed the above post. If I'd read that first, I wouldn't have replied to you in the first place.

HoN's requirements are relatively low considering the game's age (and the scaling that has been applied to the game since it's inception), however this scales with graphical options and a couple of console commands (-precacheall, for example).

It'd be much better if you left your opinions on graphical fidelity out of a technical conversation about rendering (or network) issues.

[nigmorris]

Oh, sorry, I missed the above post. If I'd read that first, I wouldn't have replied to you in the first place.

HoN's requirements are relatively low considering the game's age (and the scaling that has been applied to the game since it's inception), however this scales with graphical options and a couple of console commands (-precacheall, for example).

It'd be much better if you left your opinions on graphical fidelity out of a technical conversation about rendering (or network) issues.

I don't really think that it's an opinion graphicwise. The graphics in Dota2 just look better - the style is up to you. That's what you might prefer or not prefer. But the graphics just from the details and other stuff should be out of question. I didn't even think networking wise because he was talking about resolutions and stuff.

And yep, HoNs requirements are barely existing, since you can play it just fine on a PC with an onboard graphicscard, and for that it obviously is awesome.

Sadly nobody knows if it is going to be the same for Dota2 yet, or at least similar. At the moment the game is not meant to run on low end systems. Only time will tell. :)

[Kyonko]

There's only a 50ms delay built in now Kyonko iirc.
That's negligible considering the average ping is 70-110ms anyways.
It's still quite noticeable coming directly from HoN, though. D:

[Sinz3r]

I didn't like my first game of DOTA2, I played a few more and now I rarely play HoN.

For some reason, I just prefer it now. Never played DOTA. The graphics are also a lot lot nicer, so many nice touches in the forests. The sound effects are unreal.

HoN is smoother and a tad quicker, but I think I prefer the current balance in DOTA2, at least there are a bunch of new heroes to play. Concede and Courier would be the only two things that I really miss and the occasionally a bit of AFK Zephyr stomping. :)

[Laramii]

The first game is always weird, especially if you come from Hon, where everything is super fast and any hero can kill you in lvl 3. But you get used to after some games. I dont play Hon anymore but i visit the forums because i appreciate the game, because it was the first game that i bought.

Also, i find the game more stable, i dont get crashes, i can minimize, and if you can run Hon at max settings , you will be fine with Dota.

My only issue is the size of dota2, Hon is the best there.

[Grim]

The first game is always weird, especially if you come from Hon, where everything is super fast and any hero can kill you in lvl 3. But you get used to after some games. I dont play Hon anymore but i visit the forums because i appreciate the game, because it was the first game that i bought.

Also, i find the game more stable, i dont get crashes, i can minimize, and if you can run Hon at max settings , you will be fine with Dota.

My only issue is the size of dota2, Hon is the best there.

The bigger the better.

[_StarGazer_]

Unexpectedly I received a key yesterday. I've just filled the survey months ago and I didn't think I'd ever be choosen.

Two questions for the kind forumers:

- can someone point me to a site/forum/YouTube channel with good guides?
I've already found a bunch of them but since I've never played DotA I can't really discern the good from the bad ones.

- how is the afk'ers/leavers/griefers situation in matchmaking?
I watched only a couple of videos and streams but not ever a single match ended 5vs5.

[nigmorris]

Unexpectedly I received a key yesterday. I've just filled the survey months ago and I didn't think I'd ever be choosen.

Two questions for the kind forumers:

- can someone point me to a site/forum/YouTube channel with good guides?
I've already found a bunch of them but since I've never played DotA I can't really discern the good from the bad ones.

- how is the afk'ers/leavers/griefers situation in matchmaking?
I watched only a couple of videos and streams but not ever a single match ended 5vs5.

For what kind of guides are you looking for? General game guides, or hero guides?

Dendi made an awesome video on "howto mid". It's pretty interesting, but nearly 2 hours long. If you are just looking for hero guides.. On playdota.com there should be good ones!

afkers are barely any there. Like really, barely any. That has something to do with not having a concede option (that was a lot of good sides..)

Your first few games (like 15) will probabyl have a lot of idiots and leavers. Those are like the retardgames. After that it will get WAY better.

[_StarGazer_]

For what kind of guides are you looking for? General game guides, or hero guides?

Dendi made an awesome video on "howto mid". It's pretty interesting, but nearly 2 hours long. If you are just looking for hero guides.. On playdota.com there should be good ones!

afkers are barely any there. Like really, barely any. That has something to do with not having a concede option (that was a lot of good sides..)

Your first few games (like 15) will probabyl have a lot of idiots and leavers. Those are like the retardgames. After that it will get WAY better.

Many thanks for the all the info.

I've played HoN for quite a while, so I know the basic of the game; I mainly need heroes and items* guide, and maybe some good tutorial on warding. I saw that the spots are a little different from HoN.

*I know that many items are similar or even identical, but from what I saw some items are way more used in DotA (Aghanim, Meka, Pipe to name the firsts that come to mind) than in HoN, and viceversa.

[Loli]

It's still quite noticeable coming directly from HoN, though. D:

Not really. I got used to it after about... three games.

[Sinz3r]

afkers are barely any there. Like really, barely any

Haha, DOTA2 fanboy?

Most of my games end up with an AFKer at some point. It is much more frustrating than simply being able to concede. I really like DOTA2, but AFKing is a much larger problem there than HoN, that is for sure. Especially as people who rage quit, learn to not do so due to the low priority queue penalty.

Rage Quitting is less in DOTA2
AFKing is a lot worse

General bad playing and noobiness is relatively the same, although I have seen people go 20 deaths in DOTA2 and have never seen that in HoN.

[Loli]

I rarely have AFKers. I think I've had 4 or 5 out of the 300ish games I've played. I could tell at least 3 of them were HoN players cause they made comments like "gg no concede afk". Had about 20 or so leavers, but the game makes up for that, punishing them and not you.

[nigmorris]

Sorry, but I played over 800 games and I've BARELY ever seen someone rage afk or some **** like that. If they want to, they just leave.

There's no "LOL NOOBS GG ME AFK" people in there or barely any.

And as soon as someone afks/leaves you can leave without penalty anyway. ;)

[Skyve]

afkers are barely any there. Like really, barely any. That has something to do with not having a concede option (that was a lot of good sides..)

I just played a game and by the end of it it had 5 people in them... and that was within the first 15 minutes.

[nigmorris]

I just played a game and by the end of it it had 5 people in them... and that was within the first 15 minutes.

Then you are probably blind and didn't see the big message saying "XXXXXX HAS ABANDONED THE GAME. IT IS FREE TO LEAVE NOW"

[Laramii]

I really wanted a new hero...

[orlando]

had 1 leaver today out of 10+ games, it was a very sad night.

[skeloperch]

People still play this ****? Like... really? So many fantastic games have been released recently, and HoN has gotten way better (minus Vindi rework), yet people still play DOTA2?

Anyways, leavers/afkers were always problems. Whenever I played with friends, at least one person would AFK at 15 minutes. Not that an AFK'ing Russian is any worse than an active one, but still. If ARTS (or MOBA, if you're a fag) games were internet browsers, DOTA2 would be Internet Explorer.

[Loli]

itt: skeloperch fanboying something fierce.

[skeloperch]

itt: Loli defending his Internet Explorer: The ARTS.

[Good_Apollo]

People still play this ****? Like... really? So many fantastic games have been released recently, and HoN has gotten way better (minus Vindi rework), yet people still play DOTA2?

Anyways, leavers/afkers were always problems. Whenever I played with friends, at least one person would AFK at 15 minutes. Not that an AFK'ing Russian is any worse than an active one, but still. If ARTS (or MOBA, if you're a fag) games were internet browsers, DOTA2 would be Internet Explorer.
Actually Internet Explorer is pretty boss now...almost exceeds Firefox in some ways. It's just really late to the party.

[skeloperch]

Actually Internet Explorer is pretty boss now...almost exceeds Firefox in some ways. It's just really late to the party.

Kinda what I was getting at (although Firefox is still kinda lame. Opera/Chrome Master Race represent). Can we all agree, though, that LoL is the Safari of internet browsers?

[Loli]

Lets see. The ARTS with the best graphics, sound, and production quality running on the best engine out of them all.

Sounds like IE to me.
Wait a minute...


The gameplay is a matter of tastes, you can dislike it, but comparing it to IE is just dumb.

[skeloperch]

Lets see. The ARTS with the best graphics, sound, and production quality running on the best engine out of them all.

Sounds like IE to me.
Wait a minute...


The gameplay is a matter of tastes, you can dislike it, but comparing it to IE is just dumb.

Best sound is debatable. Voice acting? I guess. Amount of lines? By a long shot. Skill sound effects? Not even BLC is that bad. Community? Worst of the bunch. Fanboys? "HURR CONCEDE IS BAD", and all of the scum that come with competitive games, mixed into one fantastic **** casserole, baked in the ovens of shitzania, fueled by the fires of My Little Pony. Gameplay? Slow, bunch of annoying everything, important things don't stand out enough. UI? Terrible. Graphics? Great. Aesthetics? Not even worth mentioning in the same breath as piss drenched **** out of the ass of a brony's salty, sweaty ass hole.

The gameplay part, at least, makes sense to me.

[Loli]

Voice Acting is by far. Amount of lines, hell yeah. Skill sound effects are about as bad as the others.
Community? All of them are basically the same. As with fanboys, HoN/Dota fanboys are both god awful.
Gameplay is a matter of preference. It's a bit slower, more push/farm centered than gank.
UI is pretty ****, but it's slowly making headway. Graphics are way better than LoL/HoN, and aesthetics is once again personal preference. HoN is dark and gritty, LoL is fluffy and cartoony, Dota 2 is warcraft/tf2 cartoony. Different strokes for different folks.

Edit:
Pudge (http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Pudge_responses) vs Devourer (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4436120/Devourer.swf)
Omniknight (http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Omniknight_responses) vs Jeraziah (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4436120/jeraziah.swf)

[skeloperch]

Voice Acting is by far. Amount of lines, hell yeah. Skill sound effects are about as bad as the others.
Community? All of them are basically the same. As with fanboys, HoN/Dota fanboys are both god awful.
Gameplay is a matter of preference. It's a bit slower, more push/farm centered than gank.
UI is pretty ****, but it's slowly making headway. Graphics are way better than LoL/HoN, and aesthetics is once again personal preference. HoN is dark and gritty, LoL is fluffy and cartoony, Dota 2 is warcraft/tf2 cartoony. Different strokes for different folks.

The amount of lines is the only thing DOTA2 has going for it in the sounds department. You know you have a problem when you can't here an ulti go off in the middle of a teamfight. If you want to actually be good at these games, you need to rely more on the sound effects than anything. When I don't instinctively know to GTFO when Lich ulti's, that is bad. PR at least makes a big ass roar.
Communities are similar, yes, but one community is filled with Redditors and ponyfags (LoL), one is filled with Russians and entitled neckbeards that think they're better than they really are, and one is filled with BR's, weeaboos, and Swedes. I'll take the weeaboo/BR/Swedish community any day of the week.
Graphics are indeed better, but since when have graphics made the game? Aesthetics absolutely kills DOTA2, in my opinion. This is especially true because spells do absolute **** all in terms of visuals and sound effects (minus Jakiro). I mean, if Huskar were in HoN, he would shout "RAAAAAAAAAAAAA" every time he jumped on you, and would make loud explosion sounds every 6 seconds, all the while causing gigantic explosions everywhere.

As for the fanboy arguments; have you ever been so far as to do look more like? You can have a nice, civil DOTA2 discussion without any HoN fans bringing anything up for pages, but, as soon as you post a HoN thread on /v/ or /vg/, the DOTArds IMMEDIATELY abandon their thread to go rage about how OP Ra/EW are in your threads, and defend Furion/BM/Mirana if you dare bring them up.

[Loli]

I don't have ANY problems with hearing sounds of abilities go off in game. Lich's ult is extremely noticeable; It makes a very distinct and loud "whooshing" sound. I have no idea how you could have trouble seeing OR hearing that. My only problem I've ever had in the sound department is that you can't turn voice chat up high enough.

HoN and Dota share a large community. BR vs RU is basically the same hell. Six of one, half dozen of the other. As for Weeaboos and Neckbeards you've basically got the same crowd, you just might not realize it. These communities are almost identical. Dota 2 think they're superior because it's based on the original game while HoN players think they're superior because their game is slightly faster paced and there for "takes more skill".

Once again, aesthetics is personal preference. I'll take a WC3/TF2 cartoony look over a grungy everything is grey and brown Gears of War look any day.

You seem biased here. This happens both ways. HoN fanboys think IceFrog's balance is ****, Dota 2 Fanboys think S2 balance is ****. Personally I think they're both **** most of the time. Fanboys for either go out of their way to criticize the other because that's just what they do. Saying one is worse than the other is just ignoring one side of them completely because they're basically the same.

[DarthBotto]

People still play this ****? Like... really? So many fantastic games have been released recently, and HoN has gotten way better (minus Vindi rework), yet people still play DOTA2?

Anyways, leavers/afkers were always problems. Whenever I played with friends, at least one person would AFK at 15 minutes. Not that an AFK'ing Russian is any worse than an active one, but still. If ARTS (or MOBA, if you're a fag) games were internet browsers, DOTA2 would be Internet Explorer.

Are you... are you trolling?

I mean, you present your opinion well enough in the later posts, but assuming that people don't "still" play a very highly-anticipated game that is still in beta is pretty ridiculous.

[skeloperch]

I don't have ANY problems with hearing sounds of abilities go off in game. Lich's ult is extremely noticeable; It makes a very distinct and loud "whooshing" sound. I have no idea how you could have trouble seeing OR hearing that. My only problem I've ever had in the sound department is that you can't turn voice chat up high enough.

HoN and Dota share a large community. BR vs RU is basically the same hell. Six of one, half dozen of the other. As for Weeaboos and Neckbeards you've basically got the same crowd, you just might not realize it. These communities are almost identical. Dota 2 think they're superior because it's based on the original game while HoN players think they're superior because their game is slightly faster paced and there for "takes more skill".

Once again, aesthetics is personal preference. I'll take a WC3/TF2 cartoony look over a grungy everything is grey and brown Gears of War look any day.

You seem biased here. This happens both ways. HoN fanboys think IceFrog's balance is ****, Dota 2 Fanboys think S2 balance is ****. Personally I think they're both **** most of the time. Fanboys for either go out of their way to criticize the other because that's just what they do. Saying one is worse than the other is just ignoring one side of them completely because they're basically the same.

I have, and will, criticize S2 for balance. I call bullshit balance changes as I see them (gigantic Andro nerf, Vindi rework, big ass Electrician nerf, and etc), however, that is not to say that I hate S2's balancing. I find that, for the most part, S2 does their part in balancing, it's just that the competitive scene is stale, and that's because competitors aren't willing to innovate, and aren't willing to let Valkyrie get nerfed so that they can innovate.

Also, I've had problems discerning spell effects in a teamfight. Sometimes I can't even tell Tiny is in a teamfight until he tosses someone. That's pretty damned awful. Don't get me started on Juggernaut, Axe, Faceless Void, Puck, Silencer, and etc.

Additionally, HoN isn't Brown&Bloomy at all. In fact, HoN has been criticized for being TOO colorful (some fag was criticizing HoN for using vibrant shades of purple, blue, red, and etc just the other day). Even at that, HoN is way brighter than DOTA2. If you prefer DOTA2's aesthetics, that's fine, but when aesthetics, or lack thereof, get in the way of gameplay, THEN we have a problem. When I can't notice Tiny in the middle of a team fight because ValvE is too stubborn to deviate away from their aesthetic design, I'm going to be put off from playing the game. In HoN, I've never missed Pebbles in a team fight before, ever before he got his ulti.

While I'll agree that many communities take part in the different ARTS games, there are some 'exclusive' stereotypes that are only in one or two of the games. There are next to no weeaboos in DOTA2, but I can't count the number of times I've run into a ponyfag in a game of DOTA2. There are pony fags here in HoN, but even then, they barely even play the game themselves. Some of the communities overlap, yes, but the largest compilation of them is what I'm referring to. At this point in time, it is next to impossible to have any community without having a Touhou fan, for example. Everywhere you go, you'll be able to spot someone who likes it. I've looked far and wide: small Nintendo fan-boy forums, pokemon forums, gay sex with hats forums, CoD forums; you name it, they're there. However, that's not something I'd associate with DOTA2. Most people will rage at you/call you a weeaboo in DOTA2, whereas people in HoN/LoL are more likely to start up a civil discussion about them. It's the same reason people say you shouldn't go to /v/ to discuss video games; you will get berated by angry neckbeard pros who can't lift their 400lb arms far enough off of their mouse and keyboard to do anything else besides blow at DOTA2 and insult other people's opinions. Sure, bring up the topic(s) there, but you'll most likely regret it.

[Loli]

Once again, I will attribute your not being able to see or hear things to a personal problem.
Unless you have something odd going on with your speakers or monitor I haven't the slightest idea where you're getting these claims from.

In fact, here's a screen shot of tiny in a fight from a game currently going on. What's so hard to see about him?

http://i.imgur.com/VVRyP.jpg

There aren't really any exclusives at all. There are ponyfags and weeaboos in both, I've run across them commonly in both. Just because you only seem to run into certain groups, or more so only pay attention to certain ones doesn't make them exclusive to a game, or what defines the community. The communities for HoN and Dota are more or less identical. I have no idea where these claims of people calling you a weeaboo in Dota but not in HoN. I've never seen anyone call someone else one in either. All I ever hear are generics flames. I have the same steam icon as I do CAI, and the ONLY comment I've gotten on it is "Is that Shinobu from Nisemonogatari?".

[Grim]

I think he just mad

[Pandam0n1um]

guys check out 6.74 :) icefrog finally removes some of the so-called engine limitations/things that where just stupid in dota1

you can now blink to unexplored terrain
no more courier feeding (at least it gives enemy team no more gold)
sange and yasha can be disassmebled
soul stealer/shadowfiend can get 36 souls and gets 6 for a hero kill
pyro/lina has higher attack speed bonus on passive
courier is cheaper
invoker tornado/emp got nerfed, meteor/sunstrike buffed

etc. etc

[Rope`]

Awesome balance changes.

[Lucian01]

I haven't even been able to play this yet :(

[Skyve]

Then you are probably blind and didn't see the big message saying "XXXXXX HAS ABANDONED THE GAME. IT IS FREE TO LEAVE NOW"

What does that have to do with anything? Are you incapable of undestanding text? If so, you probably shouldn't be in a forum.

[nigmorris]

What does that have to do with anything? Are you incapable of undestanding text? If so, you probably shouldn't be in a forum.

It means that as soon as 1 kid afks or leaves you can just leave the game and be done with it. No staying in the game like in HoN, just because some kid avoids afkdetection or leaves. :)

If you actually complain about people leaving a game after 1 guy left/abandoned you are pretty dumb. Or did you just want to get an easy win? Who knows.
Some people actually prefer playing a fair 5v5 game.

Yes, you should probably not be in a DOTA2 THREAD when you are obviously a HoN moderator, you are obviously going to defend your dying game - over and over. Happened several times already, you are one of them.

You guys are like little childs, you have to learn everything, and at some point you will actually able to see in 3D.

[Swanker]

What does that have to do with anything? Are you incapable of undestanding text? If so, you probably shouldn't be in a forum.


Not to harp on it too much, but I checked out your games and while you do have a lot of leavers, it's really due to the fact that you're in the unskilled bracket, basically consisting of leavers and baddies. (Watch > Recent Games > Filter > Skyve > Sort by Skill Level). Not sure if this is because you're garbage or you have very little games played, but you're in the **** tier. Play a few more games and if you're not absolutely terrible, you'll move up into the medium/high skill level brackets and there's rarely an AFK'er. I've come across ...2? In my last 50 games. That's a decent ratio for a beta.

[Laramii]

Nice changelog for Dota 6.74, the changes will come soon to dota2.

If you dont like dota or the balance of Icefrog, you can go to Hon. I used to love Hon, but then they beging with those alt avatar prices and EA. Ill stick with Valve.

[skeloperch]

Nice changelog for Dota 6.74, the changes will come soon to dota2.

If you dont like dota or the balance of Icefrog, you can go to Hon. I used to love Hon, but then they beging with those alt avatar prices and EA. Ill stick with Valve.

ValvE won't be any different, and it's not like cosmetics, that you don't have to use, and can disable, have ANY effect on gameplay. Also, it's not like you can't just download a mod so that you can see them without buying or anything.

@Loli

Yes, that Tiny there is actually hard to notice, compared to a Pebbles. When Pebbles is in a teamfight, you see and hear him from a mile away. Tiny is small, his sound effects are minimalistic, and his Q looks absolutely horrendous, while also being arbitrarily hard to see/gauge the distance it's gonna go. At least in HoN you can discern what's happening in a team fight, even if it is a gigantic AoE cluster**** with Kraken, Chronos, PR, KotF, Magmus, Bombardier, and etc.

Point being that DOTA2 doesn't readily give you the information you NEED, and enemy mana being so hard to gauge, spell effects, and hero colors all contribute to this. There've been times in DOTA2 where I'll just stop issuing commands as Brood Mother, because I can't tell what the **** is going on, and end up getting kills. That is not good game design. That's like if, in Tribes Ascend, when you are in a hectic situation, a bunch of trees just popped up out of nowhere. It's frustrating, to say the least, and DOTA2 doesn't balance it's visuals/sound effects. An example being Faceless Void's ulti (the only thing that stands out about him); you'll have this huge ****ing ecodome of anti-time dropped on people, and then not be able to tell what the hell is going on because all of the other effects are minimal. It's bad for the players, it's bad for the viewers, and it's deterring for potential newcomers.

[Laramii]

Its the way it was Dota, and the fans liked him. If you want something different, with less clicks, continue playing the so good Hon.

I ve got more complains from my friends who didnt want to try Hon because the spells were too confusing. Valve knew that.

[nigmorris]

Sorry "skeloperch" but you have no idea.

[Sauron`]

Im gonna be that guy, but I am actually kinda interested in trying Dota 2 out. So if anyone has a key i'd appreciate it. I've been watching the Dota 2 shoutcasts for fun here lately.

[Gipp]

people said the same thing about HoN during beta.
now everyone is used to it. omg who would have known?

its fine. you probably need glasses.

[nigmorris]

You just have to play more than 5 games.

[Loli]

ValvE won't be any different, and it's not like cosmetics, that you don't have to use, and can disable, have ANY effect on gameplay. Also, it's not like you can't just download a mod so that you can see them without buying or anything.

@Loli

Yes, that Tiny there is actually hard to notice, compared to a Pebbles. When Pebbles is in a teamfight, you see and hear him from a mile away. Tiny is small, his sound effects are minimalistic, and his Q looks absolutely horrendous, while also being arbitrarily hard to see/gauge the distance it's gonna go. At least in HoN you can discern what's happening in a team fight, even if it is a gigantic AoE cluster**** with Kraken, Chronos, PR, KotF, Magmus, Bombardier, and etc.

Point being that DOTA2 doesn't readily give you the information you NEED, and enemy mana being so hard to gauge, spell effects, and hero colors all contribute to this. There've been times in DOTA2 where I'll just stop issuing commands as Brood Mother, because I can't tell what the **** is going on, and end up getting kills. That is not good game design. That's like if, in Tribes Ascend, when you are in a hectic situation, a bunch of trees just popped up out of nowhere. It's frustrating, to say the least, and DOTA2 doesn't balance it's visuals/sound effects. An example being Faceless Void's ulti (the only thing that stands out about him); you'll have this huge ****ing ecodome of anti-time dropped on people, and then not be able to tell what the hell is going on because all of the other effects are minimal. It's bad for the players, it's bad for the viewers, and it's deterring for potential newcomers.


Few people complained about the shop until EA came around. That's what people get annoyed by.

You can see and hear tiny the same way. At low ranks (1/2) (http://i.imgur.com/df2qG.jpg) yes, he is one of the smaller models in the game, but that doesn't make him magically unnoticeable. I think the problem here is you just haven't played the game much. It's like going to LoL and not knowing what most of the heroes look like. You're going to perceive teamfights as cluster****s until you get used to spotting those champions out. Same goes for HoN or Dota.

I have no problem seeing just about anyone or hearing just about anything in Dota unless it's suppose to be subtle. It's also not hard to see where it's going to go as it has the same method hon has. A small rock trail moves up towards the final impact zone. Infact it gets easier because that small rock trail is a cone instead.

While I don't like the idea of not being able to see enemy mana bars, spell effects and heroes are easily noticeable and I have no idea why you have such great issues seeing and hearing them unless you just have only played a few games and can't recognize them. As for the Brood Mother comment, don't play a micro OR macro intensive hero if you can't keep track of a large amount of units. That's not bad game design, that's just you not understanding how to play a hero or manage a large number of units. That Tribes analogy is god awful and makes no sense. Once again your Faceless Void comment makes no sense. The ult is clearly noticeable both visually and through sound, and there's nothing else about him you need to notice, other than his Time Walk which is also easy to spot.

Anyone who is jumping into an ARTS will have problems noticing things. It happened in Dota, LoL, and HoN. It's going to happen in Dota 2. It's just the nature of the game and learning every heroes looks, spells visuals, and sounds. Don't blame your lack of being able to notice things on Dota 2 like HoN is any better because it's not. You're just used to it.

[Rope`]

Well said loli, i completely agree.

[Meconium]

it's just that the competitive scene is stale, and that's because competitors aren't willing to innovate, and aren't willing to let Valkyrie get nerfed so that they can innovate.

You realize what your describing is IceFrog balance to a tee. Dota's horrible balancing is more subtle than retard changes that S2 seem to throw out every so often. IceFrog changes a trillion things, and it feels like nothing has changed. Same God Tier 15 heroes, same **** tier 50-60 heroes, same builds, same strats, etc.

Where is Lethe? I thought he would be all over this thread posting about how is anal canal is perfectly imprinted for IceFrogs rock hard phallus.

[Laramii]

Why do you bash Icefrog? Hes just one person, the responsable for current dota balances and hes very beloved in the community.

[Good_Apollo]

I don't see how a hero like Outworld Destroyer can not be OP...

Aura that almost makes your team manaless, potentially crippling instant-cast aoe ult, low cd stormspirit that steals int, and an orb that can easily make you hit for 250 pure damage +attack damage.

Where is the drawback in this hero?

[Loli]

The fact that he has no hp and no escape.
Hes a glass cannon that drops with any CC.

[skeloperch]

Few people complained about the shop until EA came around. That's what people get annoyed by.

You can see and hear tiny the same way. At low ranks (1/2) (http://i.imgur.com/df2qG.jpg) yes, he is one of the smaller models in the game, but that doesn't make him magically unnoticeable. I think the problem here is you just haven't played the game much. It's like going to LoL and not knowing what most of the heroes look like. You're going to perceive teamfights as cluster****s until you get used to spotting those champions out. Same goes for HoN or Dota.

I have no problem seeing just about anyone or hearing just about anything in Dota unless it's suppose to be subtle. It's also not hard to see where it's going to go as it has the same method hon has. A small rock trail moves up towards the final impact zone. Infact it gets easier because that small rock trail is a cone instead.

While I don't like the idea of not being able to see enemy mana bars, spell effects and heroes are easily noticeable and I have no idea why you have such great issues seeing and hearing them unless you just have only played a few games and can't recognize them. As for the Brood Mother comment, don't play a micro OR macro intensive hero if you can't keep track of a large amount of units. That's not bad game design, that's just you not understanding how to play a hero or manage a large number of units. That Tribes analogy is god awful and makes no sense. Once again your Faceless Void comment makes no sense. The ult is clearly noticeable both visually and through sound, and there's nothing else about him you need to notice, other than his Time Walk which is also easy to spot.

Anyone who is jumping into an ARTS will have problems noticing things. It happened in Dota, LoL, and HoN. It's going to happen in Dota 2. It's just the nature of the game and learning every heroes looks, spells visuals, and sounds. Don't blame your lack of being able to notice things on Dota 2 like HoN is any better because it's not. You're just used to it.

I heard reading comprehension was a requirement to have a thoughtful discussion.

In case you didn't notice, I was complaining that his ulti stands out TOO much, and it blurs all of the other spells. In HoN, you can easily tell when someone is stunned by Chronos (they have a small time bubble around them), in DOTA2, the stun barely shows up. Samething with Time Leap. Chronos' is really easy to notice, whereas FV's is less so.

And no, that "You need to get used to the game" argument isn't valid either. I've played an upwards of 60 DOTA2 matches, and I've clocked more than 90 hours in the game (yes, those 60-some matches made me waste 90 hours). I still have the same complaint, even after all of those matches. And it's also not just those heroes that I complain about; Na'ix, Night Stalker, Viper, Clinkz, Huskar, and many more heroes have easy to miss effects. Often you won't realize Huskar is there unless he's attacking you.

[Swanker]

Man, now people think OD is ****ing OP, LOL. This thread is hilarious, every few weeks someone else comes in and says <x> is op because of <y> reasons and it's always laughable.

[Swanker]

I heard reading comprehension was a requirement to have a thoughtful discussion.

In case you didn't notice, I was complaining that his ulti stands out TOO much, and it blurs all of the other spells. In HoN, you can easily tell when someone is stunned by Chronos (they have a small time bubble around them), in DOTA2, the stun barely shows up. Samething with Time Leap. Chronos' is really easy to notice, whereas FV's is less so.

And no, that "You need to get used to the game" argument isn't valid either. I've played an upwards of 60 DOTA2 matches, and I've clocked more than 90 hours in the game (yes, those 60-some matches made me waste 90 hours). I still have the same complaint, even after all of those matches. And it's also not just those heroes that I complain about; Na'ix, Night Stalker, Viper, Clinkz, Huskar, and many more heroes have easy to miss effects. Often you won't realize Huskar is there unless he's attacking you.


And that's a case by case basis, my friends and I all think it's much easier to tell what's going on in DotA 2. You've obviously given it a try, you don't like it; so move on with your life.

[Loli]

I heard reading comprehension was a requirement to have a thoughtful discussion.

In case you didn't notice, I was complaining that his ulti stands out TOO much, and it blurs all of the other spells. In HoN, you can easily tell when someone is stunned by Chronos (they have a small time bubble around them), in DOTA2, the stun barely shows up. Samething with Time Leap. Chronos' is really easy to notice, whereas FV's is less so.

And no, that "You need to get used to the game" argument isn't valid either. I've played an upwards of 60 DOTA2 matches, and I've clocked more than 90 hours in the game (yes, those 60-some matches made me waste 90 hours). I still have the same complaint, even after all of those matches. And it's also not just those heroes that I complain about; Na'ix, Night Stalker, Viper, Clinkz, Huskar, and many more heroes have easy to miss effects. Often you won't realize Huskar is there unless he's attacking you.

The argument is valid, because its what happened when people transitioned from Dota to HoN/LoL and it's happening again as people transition back.
You're obviously heavily biased against the game or have problems seeing visuals/audio, and I can't help with that. Very rarely do spells get cast inside of FV's ult, and when they do you still have the audio ques, even if the visuals are slightly masked.

[orlando]

Man, now people think OD is ****ing OP, LOL. This thread is hilarious, every few weeks someone else comes in and says <x> is op because of <y> reasons and it's always laughable.

they obviously have no experience with the game, for many they try dota for their first time or they simply dont know how to counter a dota hero.
look at AM these days hes in the dumpster.incomming posts with OP shadow demon. they will come in few weeks when that hero is released.

[Sauron`]

You guys are making me jelly, I can't get into the conversation. I feel so left out lol.

[Good_Apollo]

The fact that he has no hp and no escape.
Hes a glass cannon that drops with any CC.Any hero drops with cc.

The only legitimate counters I see are BKB or a team that's dumb enough to let Pugna's ward just sit.

And no it's not a flavor of the month/first time encountering OD. He's just about the only DotA 2 hero I have a problem with.

[Swanker]

Any hero drops with cc.

The only legitimate counters I see are BKB or a team that's dumb enough to let Pugna's ward just sit.

And no it's not a flavor of the month/first time encountering OD. He's just about the only DotA 2 hero I have a problem with.

The point is you don't even need CC, his core is Treads, Force Staff and a null talisman or two. Then he'll build sheep, rod of atos or a Eul's. He'll be sub 1k hp for the majority of the game, if you're unable to take him down you need a crash course in target priorities.

[Reldnahc]

Any valve game I play completely craps all over my computer. I had to drop Dota 2 down to WC3 level graphics today. It was awful.

[Loli]

Any hero drops with cc.

The only legitimate counters I see are BKB or a team that's dumb enough to let Pugna's ward just sit.

And no it's not a flavor of the month/first time encountering OD. He's just about the only DotA 2 hero I have a problem with.

He has low hp and no escape. He requires a lot of farm and is stuck with a low range. Carries who are picked are normally hard to kill, but he never becomes hard to kill. He just does more before he dies.
AM can blink and has passive, Weaver has stealth and rewind, Spectre has damage reflect and builds to survive.
OD has... a 4 second removal. If you build to do damage, you drop, if you build hp, you do nothing.

[Dacaj]

ValvE won't be any different, and it's not like cosmetics, that you don't have to use, and can disable, have ANY effect on gameplay. Also, it's not like you can't just download a mod so that you can see them without buying or anything.


I really doubt Valve is going to support a pay for power model, in which you buy heroes with dollars. Sucks that HoN went that route cause I used to really like the game. I quit soon after EA too. Ah well, c'est la vie.

[Sauron`]

Ok so Im finally playing Dota 2 (a friend sent me the invite). Add me up on there (MercenaryFH).

Went 16-6 with QUeen of Pain last game, was fun :).

[Grim]

Any valve game I play completely craps all over my computer. I had to drop Dota 2 down to WC3 level graphics today. It was awful.

So basically your pc is a **** hole?

[ReD_RuM`]

Anyone has extra key or invite maybe?

[Laramii]

Any hero drops with cc.

The only legitimate counters I see are BKB or a team that's dumb enough to let Pugna's ward just sit.

And no it's not a flavor of the month/first time encountering OD. He's just about the only DotA 2 hero I have a problem with.

You tried to put -window -noborder?

[deflorator]

what are invites (that I got on steam) used for? I don't get it..

[f1ckratte]

what are invites (that I got on steam) used for? I don't get it..

yeah, probably one of them is for me. would ya send it over? <3

[Skyve]

It means that as soon as 1 kid afks or leaves you can just leave the game and be done with it. No staying in the game like in HoN, just because some kid avoids afkdetection or leaves. :)

If you actually complain about people leaving a game after 1 guy left/abandoned you are pretty dumb. Or did you just want to get an easy win? Who knows.
Some people actually prefer playing a fair 5v5 game.

Yes, you should probably not be in a DOTA2 THREAD when you are obviously a HoN moderator, you are obviously going to defend your dying game - over and over. Happened several times already, you are one of them.

You guys are like little childs, you have to learn everything, and at some point you will actually able to see in 3D.

Again - if you are incapable of reading, don't be on a forum. I simply replied to what you said about there not being any leavers with what would prove you wrong, and you try to harp on something absolutely irrelevant.


Not to harp on it too much, but I checked out your games and while you do have a lot of leavers, it's really due to the fact that you're in the unskilled bracket, basically consisting of leavers and baddies. (Watch > Recent Games > Filter > Skyve > Sort by Skill Level). Not sure if this is because you're garbage or you have very little games played, but you're in the **** tier. Play a few more games and if you're not absolutely terrible, you'll move up into the medium/high skill level brackets and there's rarely an AFK'er. I've come across ...2? In my last 50 games. That's a decent ratio for a beta.Yes, I figured that my limited number of games may put me in queue with people that haven't played often, but if you consider that what you call the sh*t tier is where usually the major part of the community is at then his whole point of "leavers not existing" becomes moot.

[Evermourn]

mute.

Moot*


Also, StarLadder kicks off today! Woowoo

[Lolicaust22]

Well I have played quite a few games of DOTA2 now and want to post my opinions...

Pros- Graphics seem clearer, more refined.
-Courier Auto goes back when delivering, no shift q.
- Some fun dota heroes to play with.

Cons-Slow gameplay. It takes forever for things to happen.(May just be something I need to get used to but for the moment I hate it)
- Cant cancel and hold animations without attacking. You always attack even when on hold.
- Seems to be much more farm oriented and ganks dont matter as much.
- Positioning and strategy dont seem to matter as much, it seems the strongest hero wins battles most of the time. Even if other player keeps positioning.
- Shop sucks.
- Interface is clunky, no conceed vote, hard to see info like HoN.
- Have to click level up and then click skill
- Dark graphics, make it hard to see whats going on at times.

Neutral
- Towers seem to fire from farther.
- Creeps attack on targeting heroes not on attacking them.
- Have to buy wards in twos.


I understand people may not agree. I just wanted to share my experience after 50 or so games.

[Lolicaust22]

I also understand it is in BETA

[SoulCrusher]

- Cant cancel and hold animations without attacking. You always attack even when on hold. Disable autoattack in settings
- Seems to be much more farm oriented and ganks dont matter as much. Since when do pubs mean anything? Metagame is fast pushing/ganking right now.
-Shop sucks. Being able to see all basic/recipe items at once in Grid view makes it far superior to hon
- Have to click level up and then click skill CTRL + Skill hotkey.

Seriously, do people even go through the settings before talking out of their ass?

[Swanker]

Seriously, do people even go through the settings before talking out of their ass?

No.

/4char

[airplane]

i just wanted the 13337th post

also, dotes ~2~ > hon and lol

[Gajun]

Well I have played quite a few games of DOTA2 now and want to post my opinions...

Pros- Graphics seem clearer, more refined.
-Courier Auto goes back when delivering, no shift q.
- Some fun dota heroes to play with.

Cons-Slow gameplay. It takes forever for things to happen.(May just be something I need to get used to but for the moment I hate it)
- Cant cancel and hold animations without attacking. You always attack even when on hold.
- Seems to be much more farm oriented and ganks dont matter as much.
- Positioning and strategy dont seem to matter as much, it seems the strongest hero wins battles most of the time. Even if other player keeps positioning.
- Shop sucks.
- Interface is clunky, no conceed vote, hard to see info like HoN.
- Have to click level up and then click skill
- Dark graphics, make it hard to see whats going on at times.

Neutral
- Towers seem to fire from farther.
- Creeps attack on targeting heroes not on attacking them.
- Have to buy wards in twos.


I understand people may not agree. I just wanted to share my experience after 50 or so games.

Sorry but I think you are confused even after 50 games...

Visit the settings tab sometime.
Farming? That's not even possible anymore in high tier games, a lot of times they are fighting for rax 5 minutes in. It's pushing/ganking meta at the moment, but in pub games its always up to the players to choose what they want to do.

[Good_Apollo]

Oh great DotA 2 thread, how do you stop an Ursa/Omni combo? I've seen this goddamn hero drop people 20 min in in 2 seconds...pubs have no sensibilities.

[Rope`]

You stop an Ursa killing you by walking away from him.

He farms a blink = your team farms a force staff.

[`Fluttershy]

Any valve game I play completely craps all over my computer. I had to drop Dota 2 down to WC3 level graphics today. It was awful.
If you can't run valve games then your comp is a piece of ****.

[orlando]

how do you stop a furion,ursa,wisp,naix combo :warb:

[Hat_Truck]

That's not even a good team you've got way too many carries.

Furion and Naix are both junglers so they conflict and of all the heroes you listed not even one of them has a reliable hard disable. Not to mention that Furion is going to be ever pushing the lanes, preventing his two hard carries from farming.

Any decently built, balanced lineup should beat that with ease.

[orlando]

yes but they will teleport as 4 on your lane and kill you in seconds. how do you survive a 1v4?

oh and about the jungle, naix can farm lanes like a boss with a support

[Rean]

yes but they will teleport as 4 on your lane and kill you in seconds. how do you survive a 1v4?
the same way you survive nymph on enemy team in hon.

[orlando]

the same way you survive nymph on enemy team in hon.

yes but you can do that in hon when nymph is lvl 16 till then a dota 2 game already finished. plus you can teleport to enemy base and take rax in few seconds in hon you cant teleport there anymore

[nigmorris]

yes but you can do that in hon when nymph is lvl 16 till then a dota 2 game already finished. plus you can teleport to enemy base and take rax in few seconds in hon you cant teleport there anymore

Backdoorprotection in Dota, sir. There's no teleporting behind the creepwave and getting the tower in a second.

[orlando]

i think you can if furion spawns trees

[Gipp]

how do you stop a zeus, apparition, spectre, clockwork, and furion combo?

[nigmorris]

i think you can if furion spawns trees

No.


how do you stop a zeus, apparition, spectre, clockwork, and furion combo?

That's actually pretty easy. Push?

Zeus is easy to outlane middle, Spectre requires a shitton of farm - so he has to lane with AA. That's not a strong lane. Clockwerk solo is pretty easy to beat too.

I don't know, where is your problem?

[orlando]

i think he was referring to a global snipe

[nigmorris]

i think he was referring to a global snipe

If you outlane and crush them (which is not hard) you won't have a lot of problems against the "global snipe".

[orlando]

even then you cant survive it. only way is to tp fast base and regen if under 70% hp

[Good_Apollo]

Backdoorprotection in Dota, sir. There's no teleporting behind the creepwave and getting the tower in a second.
Which seriously bugs me and is one of the things that annoys me about DotA 2. There's so much legacy bullshit they're trying to maintain that gets in the way of good gameplay. I don't really get the whole 'bad manners' aspect when I see a tower with 100hp and I can't just go in and take it down when the enemy team has no wards or tps.

One of the areas I think HoN completely shits all over DotA 2. Two exceptions are the courier/item combine mechanic, which DotA 2 totally got right.

[HonStinks]

Are you planning on standing still on top of an enemy ward like a statue?

Clockwerks missile doesn't do **** or just misses entirely, AA ult does damage, but it can also miss, furions ult doesn't even touch you if you are out of sight, spectres ult doesn't do **** before 30 minutes of the game has passed and zeus' ult is barely noticeable with some magic resistance. What a threat that lineup.

[orlando]

my combo is still deadly compared to that guy in pubs ofc

[Deityh]

Playing dota2 pubs makes me pretty angry :/ I know its partly the madcusbad syndrom but still... Its almost like pve, everyone doing their own thing and at the end the team with better inviduals win.

[Yin`]

Stfu, some of Dota 2 heroes are imba as ****. Do you even play against a good Invoker, Furion, Dark Seer?


Invoker (or should I specify EMP+Tornado, or Quas/Wex) got hard nerfs.

Dark Seer got very major nerfs.

As for Furion, well, he is very very strong but still capable of being beat. Even if you get Furion, it doesn't mean the rest of your draft will be up to standard.

[Loli]

Furion also got nerfed (50s on tp at all ranks now)

[Bobble]

Furion also got nerfed (50s on tp at all ranks now)

Yays.

[Rope`]

Thats his manacost not cd, I think.

[airplane]

Oh great DotA 2 thread, how do you stop an Ursa/Omni combo? I've seen this goddamn hero drop people 20 min in in 2 seconds...pubs have no sensibilities.

force staff is an op item (i'm not joking)

also, to the person saying dark seer got nerfed, he absolutely did not, he's still OP as **** and can do everything he did before. the aghanims was just the gayest thing in the world because you could lay down a wall and keep pushing into structures with 5 illusions with 0 risk.

[Lethe]

shadow demon in test client today imo

[Evermourn]

So... it's Gosu vs. Na'Vi today... how about that carry ES? Na'Vi trolling iGeS? I mean, they've played carry VS multiple times now, but carry ES...

[orlando]

they played carry tide too once iirc vs gosu?

[Swanker]

Ya , that was pretty crazy, although Korok getting stuck in the jungle really changed the sway of that map; moreso than carry ES.

[JellySmelly]

Poor WR solo bot owned and luckily their trilane was worse than ours

http://bildez.lv/bildes/simsons2/ddd222/1331791495.png (http://bildez.lv/bildes/simsons2/ddd222/orig/1331791495.png)

[Bobble]

Do you know what they need? Assists credits on non-damage stuns. I could of had 3 more assists today on Jakiro if that was the case. And it's perfectly logical. A valuable 2 second stun doesn't get an assist, but a random hit on a dying hero and you do get one? Valve need to fix that up.

[orlando]

that void items and the gpm is insane

[The_VOLGA]

I miss HON heroes. I miss lego terrifying charge

I miss HON PK its better than that one in DOTA 2.

However better stuff like barbed armor in DOTA 2 returns 100% damage and they didn't destroy the helm of the black legion like S2 did.

Axe is so much better than Lego.

Overall I like DOTA 2 graphics the most. Artwork in items is just amazing. But I still kinda miss HON heroes.

[Rope`]

I should get a GG icon or SOMETHING for the amount of reports I've made for people who think their dota 2 impression is unique enough to warrant a seperate thread.

-> reported

[Broodje]

I agree with rope`

-> reported

[The_VOLGA]

Why did you report my thread?

[The_VOLGA]

What happens when you rage quit in DOTA 2?

[Swanker]

Do you know what they need? Assists credits on non-damage stuns. I could of had 3 more assists today on Jakiro if that was the case. And it's perfectly logical. A valuable 2 second stun doesn't get an assist, but a random hit on a dying hero and you do get one? Valve need to fix that up.

As long as you're within 1500units of the kill, you'll receive assist gold; whether you participated in the kill or not.

[Broodje]

What happens when you rage quit in DOTA 2?

You get a leave added to your stats.

[Casshern]

What happens when you rage quit in DOTA 2?

You get thrown into low priority.

[Sinz3r]

You get thrown into low priority.

Not from one alone, I think you have to have a couple or so in a specific time period.

Haven't quit a game so don't know.

[Loli]

I know two leave in like 10 games will do it.
I had internet problems and got two leaves.

Couldn't play for a day cause I was in low priority, and everyone there just leaves.

[ROT]

don't really like it as it is..played about 29 games..12w-2L with pudge tho..lol

reason i dont like it is a few reasons..its generally laggy at the start, as in hero pick phase and the first 9 seconds in fountain..

some of the items like blink dagger seem iffy and with the response delay its almost useless for escape..

turn time is ridiuclous..honestly..

no forfeit/concede..games that are 25-5, 6 towers down..25 mins into game..then the enemy team decides they want to drag it out FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE..ending up 40-8, 45-50min game..when it was over 25 mins ago..

no mana bar or item bar on enemies, you have to click them..resulting in clunky hero control..competitive or not is a downgrade in my opinion..

its just generally catered to the SUPER HARDCORE fans..no room for casual play or herp derp fun time..

about 12 of my steam friends got invites, half no idea what dota is half hon/dota1/LoL players..all but 2 of them no longer play, citing "boring snoozefest" for the most part, and I agree..ofcourse its a beta but right now if it was released generally as it is only a few thousand players would actually stay on it long term..not to mention when steam friends randomly dcs for even 2 seconds it boots you out the game..

I dont like it, as it is..I came from Dota on wc3..for years..battle.net, LC hosting and Garena..its just a disappoint to me..dont like graphics either..meh source graphics..

some peeps like it some dont i guess, but the ones spamming dota2>hon and havn't even played it are in for a big suprise on release/invite

[JellySmelly]

don't really like it as it is..played about 29 games..12w-2L with pudge tho..lol

reason i dont like it is a few reasons..its generally laggy at the start, as in hero pick phase and the first 9 seconds in fountain..

some of the items like blink dagger seem iffy and with the response delay its almost useless for escape..

turn time is ridiuclous..honestly..

no forfeit/concede..games that are 25-5, 6 towers down..25 mins into game..then the enemy team decides they want to drag it out FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE..ending up 40-8, 45-50min game..when it was over 25 mins ago..

no mana bar or item bar on enemies, you have to click them..resulting in clunky hero control..competitive or not is a downgrade in my opinion..

its just generally catered to the SUPER HARDCORE fans..no room for casual play or herp derp fun time..

about 12 of my steam friends got invites, half no idea what dota is half hon/dota1/LoL players..all but 2 of them no longer play, citing "boring snoozefest" for the most part, and I agree..ofcourse its a beta but right now if it was released generally as it is only a few thousand players would actually stay on it long term..not to mention when steam friends randomly dcs for even 2 seconds it boots you out the game..

I dont like it, as it is..I came from Dota on wc3..for years..battle.net, LC hosting and Garena..its just a disappoint to me..dont like graphics either..meh source graphics..

some peeps like it some dont i guess, but the ones spamming dota2>hon and havn't even played it are in for a big suprise on release/invite



HoN is far off worse in terms of lagginess especialy during loading/fountain than dota2.

Playerwise only few k ? You must be kidding yourself , its already 20k+ in peak times and theres still thousands of people spamming for invites. And if game ends up free to play nothing much gonna stop from staying.


I'm not saying everythings perfect , but it's good enough even though HoN has its own pluses overall responsivness is much better here :P

Graphics are matter of taste but overall hero designs / polygon count vs Dota ones - come on how can you like it better.


Not possible for herpderp fun? Go play some wtf

I've played over 3-4k games just in HoN beta and currently have 1,1k hours played of Dota 2 and in overall must say it is better than hon

[Swanker]

The lag experienced in DotA 2 when starting the actual match is due to the heroes actually loading into memory, which has already been addressed by Zoid and will be streamlined before release. Better than HoN's retarded notion of having to load ALL assets in ...just in case.

[Good_Apollo]

I think everyone who isn't a dotard is waiting for a ****ing forfeit option. These 50 minute average games are just ****ing boring.

Got a 0-22 Invoker that still hasn't figured out how to 'use' his ult? Enjoy sitting in the well waiting for the enemy carry to farm his 4 6000gold items!

[Bobble]

As long as you're within 1500units of the kill, you'll receive assist gold; whether you participated in the kill or not.

Yes, but you don't get assist credit if you don't cause damage, regardless of important blocks, stuns, ect. That's my main gripe here.

[Projanglez]

i don´t miss the concede button. won yesterday a match, which i would have possibly conceded pre 25 min mark in hon.

[Hax]

i don´t miss the concede button. won yesterday a match, which i would have possibly conceded pre 25 min mark in hon.

You're a quitter. Don't blame HoN for that.

[Good_Apollo]

There's a huge difference between quitting and conceding defeat.

[Projanglez]

You're a quitter. Don't blame HoN for that.

what qualifies u to call me a quitter? did we play once? i guess not, so just stfu.

[Hax]

I guess having the info that you were going to concede a game that wasn't lost qualifies me.

[Rope`]

So, 6.74

Instead of Invoker cheesing his way around the map with EMP+Tornado, he's now cheesing his way around the map with 900 range minions that push like crazy and force supports/squishies to run back to the fountain and a 30s CD global range true damage nuke that does the equivalent damage of Lina's level 2 ultimate.

Developing a love/hate thing with IF.

[Loli]

Would rather have him have minions and a skillshot than a brainless EMP Tornado

[Bobble]

I agree. That Tornado is still bullshit, goes on forever.

[JellySmelly]

I think everyone who isn't a dotard is waiting for a ****ing forfeit option. These 50 minute average games are just ****ing boring.

Got a 0-22 Invoker that still hasn't figured out how to 'use' his ult? Enjoy sitting in the well waiting for the enemy carry to farm his 4 6000gold items!

Never played Dota1 in my life before yet i'd rather not have it.



The lag experienced in DotA 2 when starting the actual match is due to the heroes actually loading into memory, which has already been addressed by Zoid and will be streamlined before release. Better than HoN's retarded notion of having to load ALL assets in ...just in case.

++++ Also havent seen any of HoN devs adressing the idiotic way of loading all assets each game which is retarded

[Good_Apollo]

So, 6.74

Instead of Invoker cheesing his way around the map with EMP+Tornado, he's now cheesing his way around the map with 900 range minions that push like crazy and force supports/squishies to run back to the fountain and a 30s CD global range true damage nuke that does the equivalent damage of Lina's level 2 ultimate.

Developing a love/hate thing with IF.Since he was released I've questioned my sanity for apparently being the only person that seriously thinks Invoker is forever a broken concept that should have been deleted from DotA, much less ported to DotA 2.

Counterable? Sure, so is Ra and that doesn't make him any less broken as a concept. Created more problems than anything else they bring to the game.


Never played Dota1 in my life before yet i'd rather not have it. Oh, in your case just remove the 'do' then.

[JellySmelly]

Since he was released I've questioned my sanity for apparently being the only person that seriously thinks Invoker is forever a broken concept that should have been deleted from DotA, much less ported to DotA 2.

Counterable? Sure, so is Ra and that doesn't make him any less broken as a concept. Created more problems than anything else they bring to the game.

Oh, in your case just remove the 'do' then.

Meh funny , though in ~5-6k total of hongames i've played i rarely see concede which would be proper concedin but most of time it just ruined alot of games what coulda easy be won as people give up way to easy , if i'm sick of the game of playing i'll easy take a leave to the knee rather than having cc option. Not like such games happen that often , from my 400 d2 games i've voulantarily left only 1-2 of those.

[Minaxter]

actually just uninstalled dota 2, cant handle it anymore. It really doesnt feel like a stepforwards at all in any way. HoN is superior in almost every aspect. I put 68 hours into dota2 and the more i play the more i feel like throwing my desk out the window.

Had some bloodseeker tell me that "trilanes are a common thing in dota 2 you noob" when he was trying to justify him coming top with clockwork and omni. He also wanted to dual lane with one of them and then at 5 go jungle. Worst thing is two of my windowlicking team mates agreed with him that these were all good plans.

No aussie servers. On top of that there is constant lag, that inbuilt delay, everything feels slow. Get shitloads of people who play dota asian style and make the game a total snoozefest 60 minute loss.

[nigmorris]

Thats like, really your opinion man. More people prefer a non oneshotting game.

You were probably in the lowskill pool (yes, it exists).

[Laramii]

Then return to the pubs in Hon, when you can kill one guy with just 2 moves.

[Grim]

actually just uninstalled dota 2, cant handle it anymore. It really doesnt feel like a stepforwards at all in any way. HoN is superior in almost every aspect. I put 68 hours into dota2 and the more i play the more i feel like throwing my desk out the window.

Had some bloodseeker tell me that "trilanes are a common thing in dota 2 you noob" when he was trying to justify him coming top with clockwork and omni. He also wanted to dual lane with one of them and then at 5 go jungle. Worst thing is two of my windowlicking team mates agreed with him that these were all good plans.

No aussie servers. On top of that there is constant lag, that inbuilt delay, everything feels slow. Get shitloads of people who play dota asian style and make the game a total snoozefest 60 minute loss.



cool story bro

[Sharok]

I generally find it easier to kill people in dota2 :/

[Swanker]

The gig is up for a lot of teams:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321758

This is basically akin to all of the BW players moving over to SC2. Something big is on the horizon and that means an insane sea of Asian viewership. The last tourney held had 300k viewers from China alone. DotA 2 has the potential to become the biggest e-sport in the world, which is...kinda nuts.

[nigmorris]

it is because lan function is probably getting implemented soon. was the biggest reason why chinese teams didn't want to switch. Not sure why, but yea.

[Ceriss]

HoN taunts and anouncers are coming to dota2, so here is the question, who is copying who?

[HonStinks]

Pretty sure they've had voice commands, announcer, taunts and what not in Team Fortress 2 long before hon even existed.

[Rope`]

Rumours abound that joindota is announcing a Chinese DOTA 2 event soon.

[Grim]

HoN taunts and anouncers are coming to dota2, so here is the question, who is copying who?

if you wanna talk about copying, the entire 300mb folder called heroes of newerth is a copy of Dota, a bad one even.
announcers and taunts have been in many, many old games.
But I guess you weren't born back then.

[Good_Apollo]

Pretty sure they've had voice commands, announcer, taunts and what not in Team Fortress 2 long before hon even existed.

Fanboyism up in here is heavy on both sides, jesus. Say what you want about other games in other genres but HoN clearly set a neat little trend for several features in the 'modern-not-mod' MOBA genre.

Other games have, yes, expanded on HoN features and added their own unique twists but this game definitely seemed to set the standards. Denying that is ignoring facts.

[HonStinks]

To be honest things like announcers or taunts are completely trivial things to begin with, but even if they wouldn't be, there has been announcers in games since there has been arcade machines, taunts are decades old also, so trying to claim that HoN is some sort of pioneer on that front is laughable (much like saying HoN is a pioneer on any front besides managing to find new ways to piss off your playerbase and ignore bugs/glitches for months).

I'm guessing you have something else on your mind besides trivial **** like that, although I can't think of any trend or concept that HoN would've spawned. It started off as a copy-paste of Dota, then turned into a moneycow that has diarrhea and shits out half-assed content in an assembly line fashion. Its a dota-clone that doesn't even try to have any gameplay innovations.

All this while S2games itself stumbles from one **** up to another for years, pissing off their playerbase with a wide variety of ways, like poor service, 6800, poor communication, giving thumbs down for custom maps etc. and ignores doing any sort of meaningful technical improvements to the game or even fixing long existing bugs and oversights.

What standards has HoN set that aren't related to sucking?

[Good_Apollo]

If you look at my sig you'd know I'm no S2 fanatic, but you're just ignoring facts out of pure unadulterated hatred for HoN.

Why you waste your time on the forums talking about a game you dislike so much is beyond my comprehension so welcome to my ignore list.

[Swanker]

Prodota 2 - The First worldwide Dota 2 league

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvgXab5Y_Uw&feature=g-all-lik&context=G23dbbdbFAAAAAAAAEAA

[nigmorris]

http://www.dotahut.com/

Solomid.net biggest LoL thing has opened a dota2 section.

[Yin`]

The gig is up for a lot of teams:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321758

This is basically akin to all of the BW players moving over to SC2. Something big is on the horizon and that means an insane sea of Asian viewership. The last tourney held had 300k viewers from China alone. DotA 2 has the potential to become the biggest e-sport in the world, which is...kinda nuts.


Uh-oh.

:>

[mendel12]

Checks email. Sees dota 2 invite! Yay...i think.

[Yin`]

http://www.joindota.com/en/tournaments/masters

http://www.joindota.com/en/tournaments/masters/participants

CHINA HAS ARRIVED.

[Launders]

Personally I feel that there needs to be a surrender/concede. If things go tits up, youre ****ing stuck there for whats usually an hour, and if you leave you pretty much cant play for a day.

[Grim]

Personally I feel that there needs to be a surrender/concede. If things go tits up, youre ****ing stuck there for whats usually an hour, and if you leave you pretty much cant play for a day.

OR
stop defending and wait in fountain for 5 minutes while enemy mega creeps destroy your throne?

[nigmorris]

5 minutes = 1hour.

[Good_Apollo]

Personally I feel that there needs to be a surrender/concede. If things go tits up, youre ****ing stuck there for whats usually an hour, and if you leave you pretty much cant play for a day.Ironically with the current system I've had games end under 15 minutes (the sole complaint used against a concede function: short unsatisfying games). Get 1 leaver and it's over; doesn't matter if you want to still fight 4v5 when your teammates are free to leave without penalty 2 min into the game.

[Loli]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

http://i.imgur.com/MAzkW.png

[Swanker]

He looks AMAZING ingame.

[Lethe]

awwwwwwwww ****.

score

[Skyve]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

http://i.imgur.com/MAzkW.png

His skill icons look a bit too... "calm". Safe for the ult, that just looks odd.

[Lethe]

carry players rejoice

[Loli]

Good old Dota 2 test que times

http://i.imgur.com/4DKML.jpg

k i give up

http://i.imgur.com/mE4oC.jpg

[SomethingOdd]

I'm 1350 Mmr in HoN and never played Dota, what would be some good starter heroes?

[Loli]

Lich, Lion, Venomancer, Sven, Skeleton King (if you know how to farm), Cystal Maiden.

[Ryuusan]

WTF i thought they were porting tundra.

[Launders]

Ironically with the current system I've had games end under 15 minutes (the sole complaint used against a concede function: short unsatisfying games). Get 1 leaver and it's over; doesn't matter if you want to still fight 4v5 when your teammates are free to leave without penalty 2 min into the game.

Ditto, but I'm talking about if they dont leave.

[Nospheratu]

http://i.imgur.com/MAzkW.png

Sorry, but this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtBnUo9D1h8

[Braintrainy]

I heard that they sent out an another wave of keys.. unlucky, no key for me still.
Can anyone, who got a spare one send me it,please?^^ I would be very, very glad.

[SomethingOdd]

Wow, does dota 2 look crappy.

[Swanker]

Wow, does dota 2 look crappy.

Retard or troll; you decide.

[Loli]

The keys that were just given out were given to people who already have Dota2 Braintrainy. It's so people in the beta can give them to friends.

[SomethingOdd]

Retard or troll; you decide.
Hadn't really messed with the settings yet, any game looks crap in 800x600

[Lethe]

SOOOOOO things to watch out for tomorrow.

Lycan's ult costing 50 mana instead of 100.

Lycan's wolves having 2/3/4/5 base armor, which is just broken (supposed to be 0).

And they still haven't fixed Bane dealing one less tick of damage

[HonStinks]

Really diggin' the disney villain look on Lycan, both on his human and wolf forms. Also those claw attacks in wolf form really have (visually) some oompfh behind them, they just feel really satisfying, much unlike some warbeast nibble animation that you can wipe your ass with.

But I have to question their decision to bring in Lycan in now, when brood, prophet, rhasta and some other heavy pushers exists while counters are very few. Maybe I'm missing something but I think games are gonna be over really fast, it was already an uphill struggle trying to stop prophet and brood raiding towers before you even notice, or trying to stop a joint push performed by before mentioned heroes with some support like Dazzle or paladin thrown in there, with 2 - 3 x mana boots.

[nigmorris]

Did you guys see the new trees for radiant (i bet diretrees coming too then).

****ing amazing. Looks so good.

[Tensei]

But I have to question their decision to bring in Lycan in now, when brood, prophet, rhasta and some other heavy pushers exists while counters are very few. Maybe I'm missing something but I think games are gonna be over really fast, it was already an uphill struggle trying to stop prophet and brood raiding towers before you even notice, or trying to stop a joint push performed by before mentioned heroes with some support like Dazzle or paladin thrown in there, with 2 - 3 x mana boots.

I think they're prioritizing the competitive picks right now in response to the Chinese teams coming. A month or so ago they seemed to be focused on Lanaya, Mortred and Gyrocopter, but then they switched to SD, Lycan and Syllabear, and it looks like both Brewmaster and Chaos Knight are getting some work done on them as well, which should more or less round out the competitive roster.

[Swanker]

Hadn't really messed with the settings yet, any game looks crap in 800x600

I remember when 800x600 used to be amazing. :{

[nigmorris]

NaVi is just so amazing. It's sick.
Their teamplay while in fight. it's just on a next level.

Things like that wouldn't be possible in HoN, since HoN is just about oneshotting.

It's just mindblowing how they coordinate in a teamfight and kite them around.

If someone missed it, watch the VoD of NaVi vs CLG, Star series.

CLG had antimage and invoker, farmed and everything up. NaVi took the manfights and **** on them. Sick.

[Hax]

Really diggin' the disney villain look on Lycan, both on his human and wolf forms. Also those claw attacks in wolf form really have (visually) some oompfh behind them, they just feel really satisfying, much unlike some warbeast nibble animation that you can wipe your ass with.


If you like that your lycanthrope appears to have the powers of Mr. Fantastic, cool.

[Yin`]

Did you guys see the new trees for radiant (i bet diretrees coming too then).

****ing amazing. Looks so good.


New trees? I haven't seen this yet.

[Satangossu]

Lycan finally ported!!!

[Loli]

It begins.

http://media.steampowered.com/apps/dota2/posts/Lycan_full.jpg

[Lethe]

I forgot how much I preferred Lycan to WB.

[Hat_Truck]

Just started playing DotA 2 again yesterday after about a 3 month hiatus, and I was really surprised with how much progress they've made in that small amount of time.

The game runs much more smoothly since then, and where before almost all of the video tuning options were unavailable, now they all work. The animations have gotten better, the sound effects have gotten better, hell even the gameplay seems significantly improved. Even the delay seems less than before (which by the way, you can lessen/almost eliminate by turning off V-Sync).

At this point, even in its beta phase, I sincerely think DotA 2 is blowing LoL and HoN completely out of the water. If it continues to improve at this rate (and I have no reason to doubt that it will), I don't think the other games will even be able to contend.

[Good_Apollo]

I love whenever DOTA 2 gets updated it completely erases my very customized settings. Best part is now none of my mouse buttons function for items anymore and the brightness setting is stuck at darkest.

[Gipp]

my settings never seem to save

[Swanker]

Same, except key binds

[ChillyWater]

I conlude that Dota2 is a really really different game compared to hon...

[Son]

I finally got into the beta two days ago, and so far I'm pretty disappointed. While it's nice to be able to play some of the old DotA heroes again, the interface is downright horrible and the gameplay is slow, stilted and clunky.

I'll give it some more time and see if it starts to grow on me at all, but so far, it's got nothing on HoN as far as I'm concerned.

[SomethingOdd]

I finally got into the beta two days ago, and so far I'm pretty disappointed. While it's nice to be able to play some of the old DotA heroes again, the interface is downright horrible and the gameplay is slow, stilted and clunky.

I'll give it some more time and see if it starts to grow on me at all, but so far, it's got nothing on HoN as far as I'm concerned.
This.

[Good_Apollo]

I trolled my team to victory with Lycan just now. Apparently my build was the worst they've ever seen.

14-2 with 460gpm and went :ShrunkenHead: :WhisperingHelm: :Puzzlebox: :AbyssalSkull: :PostHaste: and Abyssal Blade.


Abyssal Blade has to be the most OP item... +100 damage, +10 str, 2 second superior stun and still has a 35% chance to stun for 1.4 seconds? How is that balanced?

Don't even get me started on Ethereal Blade Morphling walking around 2 shotting anyone.

[soapingwet]

I trolled my team to victory with Lycan just now. Apparently my build was the worst they've ever seen.

14-2 with 460gpm and went :ShrunkenHead: :WhisperingHelm: :Puzzlebox: :AbyssalSkull: :PostHaste: and Abyssal Blade.


Abyssal Blade has to be the most OP item... +100 damage, +10 str, 2 second superior stun and still has a 35% chance to stun for 1.4 seconds? How is that balanced?

Don't even get me started on Ethereal Blade Morphling walking around 2 shotting anyone.

I can tell from your score, gpm, and items, that it was a noob game. There is no way you can have sub 600 gpm with that kind of score late into the game enough to get up all those items, it's obvious that your farm was bad and all you did was run around and feed off of heroes, which is bad play anyways.

[EhOhhEss]

Abyssal Blade has to be the most OP item... +100 damage, +10 str, 2 second superior stun and still has a 35% chance to stun for 1.4 seconds? How is that balanced?

Not trolling you
Abyssal Blade is the worst item in the game, either in a pub or competitive setting.

[Satangossu]

What I don't like about Dota 2 is that it still feels like a rice fest. Sand Wrath is picked in almost all games I play and people just farm with him for 40 min whitout even bothering to help defend towers.

If you have a Pebbles in HoN, you know for a fact that your ass is gonna be ganked. In Dota 2 even those heavy gankers afk farm for a full inventory before doing anything, its ****ing boring. Add to that the fact that theres no option to concede, and some games can be pretty frustrating. Waiting inside of base for 60min while the other team afk farms.

A couple of days ago I played a game where at some point 3 players from the enemy team left and 1 went afk, leaving us playing a 5v1 game. They had a tempest defendig the raxes with all he had and me trying to end the game alone while my teammates were farming the jungle/lanes. I could not believe my eyes, 4 people afk farming against a tempest alone inside the base. I had to beg them for us to end the game alredy and still only a couple showed up to help me push the raxes.

[Lethe]

zz bads playing with bads. What's new.

[HonStinks]

Why is no Lycan using Howl, like ever? Only played two games after Lycan was added but both times there were maybe 3 or 4 instances of Howl per game. It has a longer cooldown than in HoN, yes, but its still just 30 seconds (?). Is there any reason NOT to use it everytime its up?

I don't know if wolves automatically inherit the buff whether they have been summoned before or after Howl, but besides that I can't think of a reason not to cast it. Is the manacost too much? Idk what the manacost is and I can't be bothered to check now, but since Dota has always had a bit more, well, old-fashioned manacosts (read: 120 - 140 average for a spell) that might be the reason, although I do recall Howl having a pretty negligible manacost since always.

But even when we are having a fight outside a base, there is no howl ever. Am I just playing with "NEW HERO WOOHOO" idiots, who can't read tooltips if they are longer than six words?


PS. Whoever threw in the v-sync tip, thanks a bunch, it makes a huge difference.

[Hat_Truck]

Welcome brony

[Rope`]

Why is no Lycan using Howl, like ever? Only played two games

no Lycan using Howl... ever... played two games

no Howl... ever... two games

ever... two games

:D :D :D

[Lethe]

Howl isn't as spammable as battle cry, and is taken later, basically.

[iruul]

I have an extra beta key if anyone still wants. Trading for 40$ coin package. PM me. Steam name is iruul.

[nigmorris]

Awful trade. You can get dota2 keys for around 15€ on ebay (german one that is, didn't check others).

[Bloodaxe]

I have an extra beta key if anyone still wants. Trading for 40$ coin package. PM me. Steam name is iruul.
why would someone pay 40 bucks for a beta?

[ChillyWater]

Down 2 rax

Win teamfight

End game


= My most fun dota 2 game ever (total of like 16)

[Swanker]

What I don't like about Dota 2 is that it still feels like a rice fest. Sand Wrath is picked in almost all games I play and people just farm with him for 40 min whitout even bothering to help defend towers.

If you have a Pebbles in HoN, you know for a fact that your ass is gonna be ganked. In Dota 2 even those heavy gankers afk farm for a full inventory before doing anything, its ****ing boring. Add to that the fact that theres no option to concede, and some games can be pretty frustrating. Waiting inside of base for 60min while the other team afk farms.

A couple of days ago I played a game where at some point 3 players from the enemy team left and 1 went afk, leaving us playing a 5v1 game. They had a tempest defendig the raxes with all he had and me trying to end the game alone while my teammates were farming the jungle/lanes. I could not believe my eyes, 4 people afk farming against a tempest alone inside the base. I had to beg them for us to end the game alredy and still only a couple showed up to help me push the raxes.


See, I don't get this mentality, are you and your teammates retarded? If they pick a Spectre, then you know you're on a timer; so you pick heroes that will finish the game quickly. Here's a list for that brain of yours that apparently can't string together a modicrum of thought:

Enchantress
Chen
Dark Seer
Lycanthrope
DragonKnight
Venomancer
Enigma
Jakiro
Shadow Shaman
Tinker
Windrunner
Death Prophet

Now pair that hero with an effective early-game ganker you run in mid:

Tiny
Night Stalker
Pudge
BeastMaster
StormSpirit
Puck

There, now you've won in 30minutes and Spectre is crying because all he has is treads, vanguard and 3400 to his relic.

[Swanker]

Down 2 rax

Win teamfight

End game


= My most fun dota 2 game ever (total of like 16)

Would you have conceded that match in HoN?

[Hat_Truck]

See, I don't get this mentality, are you and your teammates retarded? If they pick a Spectre, then you know you're on a timer; so you pick heroes that will finish the game quickly. Here's a list for that brain of yours that apparently can't string together a modicrum of thought:

Enchantress
Chen
Dark Seer
Lycanthrope
DragonKnight
Venomancer
Enigma
Jakiro
Shadow Shaman
Tinker
Windrunner
Death Prophet

Now pair that hero with an effective early-game ganker you run in mid:

Tiny
Night Stalker
Pudge
BeastMaster
StormSpirit
Puck

There, now you've won in 0minutes and Spectre is crying because all he has is treads, vanguard and 3400 to his relic.You make really good points, but can you refrain from the ad hominem attacks please? They aren't important for your argument and simply detract from your credibility.

[Good_Apollo]

You make really good points, but can you refrain from the ad hominem attacks please? They aren't important for your argument and simply detract from your credibility.It's a DotA 2 thread on the HoN forums. This is like the zenith for bad manners.

[Swanker]

Eh, I generally reply in a crass manner simply because this particular thread is filled with the most inane arguments to why DotA 2 sucks, that I can't help but be malicious. I mean, if you like HoN more, that's great; it's a great game(S2 is a dumpster company though, real talk) but constructing arguments you'd see in a kindergarten playground is taxing on the frontal-lobe. :P

[Casshern]

Hey, what are good ward spots for dires jungle? Lycan kinda hard to ward when hes in dire.

[Tommo]

Got invited to beta a few days ago, haven't tried it yet. Thoughts?

[Projanglez]

better drink your own p.iss?

[Yin`]

That reminds me.

WE vs. CP is up, in 20 minutes, at the JoinDota streams.

YaphetS/PIS will be playing.

That is all!!!

[Hat_Truck]

Thx for the info, I'll be watching

[nigmorris]

http://www.own3d.tv/live/266305/AyeseeTV

here is the chinese games stream

[Hat_Truck]

A pro game with Outworld Destroyer, I'm excited.

They say he hard counters Anti-Mage, I'm interested to see if it's true.

[nigmorris]

A pro game with Outworld Destroyer, I'm excited.

They say he hard counters Anti-Mage, I'm interested to see if it's true.

He like oneshots the illusions and deals a shitton of damage to AM. So yea, he actually does. He doesn't lose mana also.

But then again, Pugna counters OD

[Hat_Truck]

But then again, Pugna counters ODWhy? Obviously the high intelligence gain, but is it the Decrepify?

[nigmorris]

Why? Obviously the high intelligence gain, but is it the Decrepify?

ODs orb does damage depending on his manapool. "Level 4 - Deals 9% of your current remaining mana. Deals 400 bonus damage to illusions and summoned units." - 100 mana for each orb

Pugna ward does damage = to mana used in casts
Level 4 - Ward has 300 HP, -6.0 Mana regeneration to enemies, Mana Flare deals 1.50 damage per each point of Mana.

[SoulCrusher]

OD gets 150 magic damage everytime he uses his orb under Nether Ward.

Also, OD is weak against burst damage until he has BKB, which Pugna provides.

[Hat_Truck]

I didn't realize how much mana OD's skills cost. Wow that is a great counter.

[nigmorris]

I didn't realize how much mana OD's skills cost. Wow that is a great counter.

Pretty much completly shits on him.

[Hat_Truck]

Ahhhh these games are boring. It's just a one-way face roll for Dire two games in a row.

Edit: Does BKB stop OD's Orb Effect?

[nigmorris]

Ahhhh these games are boring. It's just a one-way face roll for Dire two games in a row.

Edit: Does BKB stop OD's Orb Effect?

Dire now lost the first game.

No idea, neither do I know if ODs Orb hits through Butterfly.

Captain Planet is not really a known team afaik?

[SoulCrusher]

BKB hard counters OD so to say, none of his spells work against it.

Orb Attacks are regular autoattacks, so butterfly should counter it I think.

Power.Net used to play with Fear, Demon and some more americans, so he is not a no-name

[nigmorris]

BKB hard counters OD so to say, none of his spells work against it.

Does the Orb 100% hit against butterfly?

[Hat_Truck]

Does BKB stop Enchantress ult damage?

[SoulCrusher]

As said, it shouldn't 100% hit against Bfly. It can also uphill miss like any regular attack.

Above: Yes, Pure damage (which Impetus and Arcane Orb deal) does not damage magic immune units.

[Hat_Truck]

Holy **** AM going Abyssal Blade

[claudiu]

Dota 2 sucks ass. Even League of Legends is better lal.

[SoulCrusher]

OD popping bkb instantly instead of imprisoning himself first to get some time until AM bkb runs out...fail play.

[nigmorris]

gg, navi would have won that game.

[Hat_Truck]

Nice comeback

[nigmorris]

a lot of missplays. The first teamfight middle at river, OD popped bkb before aegis, then died instantly after like 2 seconds use of it. Respawns and dies, could have killed AM + maybe venge or veno.

[Hat_Truck]

It surprises me that a team without a true initiator could win in a competitive environment. We're always told over and over how important it is to have an initiator, and yet Captain Planet proved that it's not completely necessary if you react well enough.

[nigmorris]

That's different, in HoN you oneshot people mostly. Initiating on one target is normally instantkill.

That's the main difference of DotA and HoN.

[SoulCrusher]

Anti-Mage is good enough as initiator when he can survive it.

[Deityh]

Korok why you rape so much :/

[Hax]

That's different, in HoN you oneshot people mostly. Initiating on one target is normally instantkill.

That's the main difference of DotA and HoN.

Plenty of heroes can do that in DotA.



It's just more viable to sit in your lane and farm for 40 mins.