The OFFICIAL DOTA2 Thread

[Dawnbringer]

lol @ polygon priest.

[Wuaschtsemme]

What it basically comes down to is a different feeling of gameplay. You will have to play, judge and stick to whatever feels better for you.
Thats a quite easy choice, just ask yourself if you´ve returned to the original, or if you went to a downgraded/inferior version of hon.

[ZabatieL]

CLient hacked for watch replays:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaX9dk45uM0

Very easy tutorial:


Download Dota 2 Beta: http://www.multiupload.com/RQ74SFHYDC
Download Replays from NaVi Dendi: http://www.multiupload.com/6503PLDMB0 / http://www.multiupload.com/TN3A7920HJ
Put replays in dota 2 beta/dota folder (not in replays folder)
Make shortcut of dota.exe and add in path "- console"
Launch Dota 2
In console write : "playdemo name" like playdemo dendi5

I tested and it worked.

I scan with my anti-virus scan and it was clean.

Tip: first run dota.exe and change the configuration for max graphics then quit, after that you run the dota.exe with ''-console''.
My configuration>
-phenon II x4 940 3,1 ghz
-Radeon HD 5850 1gb
-4 gb DDR2 of RAM

I run with 52-32 FPS(same FPS for max and min graphics configuration) in game but with no oscilation in teamfights unlike HoN(my FPS drop 60 to 18-28 in teamfights).

But remember, Icefrog said the game isn't optimized for low,mid systems now in the beta, when the game go in retail you will can play in a dual core PC without graphics lags.

Conclusion: DOTA2 have stable FPS in teamfights unlike HoN.

[Dawnbringer]

Anyone figured out how to play practice mode on the client yet?

[Roaec]

afaik you need the server.dll for that

[YawningAngel]

I believe you do.

[eNTe_eXe]

Omahgod i got my beta key! :)

[dmae]

Do they email you if you get into beta?

[SergeantCake]

Omahgod i got my beta key! :)

huw shud v knuw?

[Roaec]

want mine too :<

[Testingrani]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCwxEawyi0I&feature=related

Looks like a placeholder.

Liked the Radiant one better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pChWe35uI_k

[MonkeyBurn]

some more portraits of heros
Also remember most of these aren't done


http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu357/bthammer226/78LAD.jpg

[SergeantCake]

old news

[Zaajki]

Feels like HoN allready have everything this stratergy game can have, so i dont think il be playing dota 2 since its a worse version of the noob game League of legends... Anyone agree?

[Techies]

Can I has your beta account?

[Zaajki]

Can I has your beta account?

NOpeeeeeee

[Juicenewton]

Feels like HoN allready have everything this stratergy game can have, so i dont think il be playing dota 2 since its a worse version of the noob game League of legends... Anyone agree?

Comparing dota to league of legends is the most innacurate thing you can say

[IsmaelVera]

Whoever plays dota2 beta and retail will be a :mart: until dota2 gets up to HoN's speed in 5 years lewlewlew
:balp:

[iSlapMelons]

Dota 2 is by valve. They love, and take care of their games.

You can expect LOTS of improvements.

S2 has savage 2 and 1. Those games are rotting in a storage right now.

(And i love savage 2, but 400 people online is a ****ing joke...)

[Pandaownium]

no. Dota 2 is like Beta HoN. Exciting and full of win. Geeze, the hon fanboys are deluded.

HoN in it's current state is fun, no doubt... well, most of the time, but not all the time only because of trolls and that is in no way S2's fault. Oh and this EA **** has to go, but that's neither here nor there.

Moving right along.

You called LoL a "noobs" game. I can see that somewhat due to no denying and the inherent imbalance of some of the heroes (tryndamere for one.) but in the end it has over 1million players a day, so even if DotA 2 DID COPY IT (which it is nothing like by the way, my little convoluted friend) it would make so much money and have so many people playing it, it would be worth it.

On top of dota 2 being made by my favorite game company (who has never made their own game, only made a community made mod into a multi-million-dollar game, which im all for).... DotA in the end is their style of game, it is a mod that they can turn a HUGE profit and player following from.

Constructive reasoning is by far my favorite ideal to aspire to always have. I hope I did a decent job of explaining why I, and for that matter, 90% of the entire HoN competitive player base, are switching to DotA2 the moment it is released.

Good day,
Brian Scott Williams Jr.

[Repugnance]

dota2: defense of the antimage 2

[DracoDevil]

Oh it's this thread again.

[JoOKie]

If you notice, HoN fanboys all give pretty sh*t reasons (I don't expect better ;))as to why DotA2 is bad, so I don't care if those dumbasses aren't playing and no one else does either. Why are these threads made again?

[Scarier]

dota2 beta doesnt have all the heros so it looks pretty boring to me. ill probably be playing both when it comes out though.

[Atheism]

Dota 2 is by valve. They love, and take care of their games.

You can expect LOTS of improvements.


I completely love the idea of DotA2 being in the hands of IceFrog, but whenever I think of that, I remember that Valve sits there with their fatty-fat-fats just waiting to **** EVERYTHING up.

Valve are great at making singleplayer games, but holy ****, anything with involves a social aspect, competitive gaming or balance is none of their business.

Go back to TF2.

[Pandaownium]

I completely love the idea of DotA2 being in the hands of IceFrog, but whenever I think of that, I remember that Valve sits there with their fatty-fat-fats just waiting to **** EVERYTHING up.

Valve are great at making singleplayer games, but holy ****, anything with involves a social aspect, competitive gaming or balance is none of their business.

Go back to TF2.

rofl apparently you have never heard of any of their Multiplayer titles. Mainly Counter Strike that for a long time was the most played game of all time AND STILL holds more players than hon+savage+savage 2 will ever have.

... rofls to you.

[iSlapMelons]

I completely love the idea of DotA2 being in the hands of IceFrog, but whenever I think of that, I remember that Valve sits there with their fatty-fat-fats just waiting to **** EVERYTHING up.

Valve are great at making singleplayer games, but holy ****, anything with involves a social aspect, competitive gaming or balance is none of their business.

Go back to TF2.

CSS, HLDM, HL2DM, CS1.6, And many other multiplayer games by valve (that are still played by thousands of people) prove you wrong.

I've been on TF2 since 2007.

Your grammar is horrible, and you obviously have no idea of gaming in general...

Go back to your mother's basement, kid.

[Minervaz]

Humm

[Atheism]

rofl apparently you have never heard of any of their Multiplayer titles. Mainly Counter Strike that for a long time was the most played game of all time AND STILL holds more players than hon+savage+savage 2 will ever have.

... rofls to you.

Holy ****.
You know nothing of the Counter-Strike scene.
Counter-Strike 1.6, you know, the worlds biggest FPS game hasn't had a game change for the better since 1.5.

The 1.5 version being the one PRIOR to Valves takeover. Do not even dare to credit Valve for the success of Counter-Strike, as it is completely due to other factors (CPL, ESL) and small national communities that Counter-Strike is considered a successful game.

The ONLY thing Valve has EVER done to Counter-Strike is too put in the most retarded "weapon" the shield and made a follow up containing a SINGLEPLAYER campaign (Counter-Strike: Condition Zero).

You can see that even when they create a game from scratch (CS:S), it never competed with Counter-Strike 1.6 and they even managed to **** that up aswell.

You have chosen a poor fight as it is very clear that between us, I am the superior person when it comes to something related to Counter-Strike.

[JoOKie]

rofl apparently you have never heard of any of their Multiplayer titles. Mainly Counter Strike that for a long time was the most played game of all time AND STILL holds more players than hon+savage+savage 2 will ever have.

... rofls to you.

In his defense look at CSS DODS TF2. And fyi, Valve did almost nothing to make CS better for competitive play. :\ Then again, this is mostly the source engine's fault. It's a great engine in terms of flexibility, but it is simply a terrible engine for any serious competitive play. So many awful interp issues..

Tbh there hasn't been a single FPS that was as competitive as 1.6/Q3. FPS genre has gone way, way downhill. I guess you can blame CoD/Halo though. God I hate that garbage health regen mechanic.

[Meconium]

DOTA 2 will take a **** on HoN and it is the best game ever made.

*wipes Icefrogs steaming man-cum from lips*

[Atheism]

CSS, HLDM, HL2DM, CS1.6, And many other multiplayer games by valve (that are still played by thousands of people) prove you wrong.

I've been on TF2 since 2007.

Your grammar is horrible, and you obviously have no idea of gaming in general...

Go back to your mother's basement, kid.

There are many reasons you would avoid responding to my accusation that Valve can't create and balance games for a competitive scene. I assume it is because we both know they can't.

Which of the game mentioned are both balanced and created by Valve? I'd say HLDM(2), but these games are not created around a competitive nature and or not very popular themselves.

Read my earlier post to Nyaan, the one about 1.6.

[Ninaran]

I laugh at people thinking that the DotA 2 community will be better.

[JoOKie]

It's going to be more or less the same. Don't kid yourself.

[Zaajki]

I laugh at people thinking that the DotA 2 community will be better.

I laugh with you there is nofhing more to improv on this game execpt new heros and they will get boring after a while and people will go back to HoN or LoL...

TRUST ME I COME FROM THE FUTURE:chro:

[iSlapMelons]

Brotip #305: If you can’t win an argument, correct their grammar instead.

And every game you mentioned sold tons of copies and has an avid player base. ouch.(more than hon btw)

Weird, apparently assaulting my living quarters is supposed to provoke me into a verbal confrontation. Not going to happen my friend.

/ur-rage

That was for Atheism, not for you, silly.

[iSlapMelons]

There are many reasons you would avoid responding to my accusation that Valve can't create and balance games for a competitive scene. I assume it is because we both know they can't.

Which of the game mentioned are both balanced and created by Valve? I'd say HLDM(2), but these games are not created around a competitive nature and or not very popular themselves.

Read my earlier post to Nyaan, the one about 1.6.

Not very popular?

Most of those have more people online right now then hon.

Get your facts straight, kid.

[Zerillis]

Gz on deciding if u'll play dota 2 before acctually trying it. Intelligence, who needs that **** anyway?

[Volko]

So funny how no one close this thread and how funny thread are closed in less than 20 mins.

[Volko]

Gz on deciding if u'll play dota 2 before acctually trying it. Intelligence, who needs that **** anyway?
Today you only need cash. :emer:

[iSlapMelons]

Gz on deciding if u'll play dota 2 before acctually trying it. Intelligence, who needs that **** anyway?

My neighbor is on the closed beta.

Im buying it ASAP, no doubt.

[JoOKie]

Not very popular?

Most of those have more people online right now then hon.

Get your facts straight, kid.
Well only tf2/css have more players than hon and those games are far from competitive, so his facts seem straight to me.

[Quelsatron]

Dota heroes are fun, S2 heroes are pretty dull tbh. I also hope they'll add OMG mode and pudge wars HD.

[Cord]

Lets see,
TF2: Basically an update of Team Fortress Classic (fan mod) and TFC was more fun IMO but has worse graphics.
Counter Strike Source: An Update of Counter-Strike (fan mod) and CS was more fun but has worse graphics.
DOTA2: An update of DOTA (fan mod) with better graphics and we don't know how fun it is yet.

I'm noticing a pattern here. I wonder if it will hold true.

To give valve credit, though, L4D is pretty awesome and is their own mutlipayer-based thing, I believe.

[blub]

Dota 2 is by valve. They love, and take care of their games.

haha you never played l4d

[iSlapMelons]

Well only tf2/css have more players than hon and those games are far from competitive, so his facts seem straight to me.

Thats already two games.

How are they far from competitive, having tournments almost every week?

And CSGO is coming.

Sigh...

[Cord]

Dota heroes are fun, S2 heroes are pretty dull tbh. I also hope they'll add OMG mode and pudge wars HD.

I dunno,
:amun: :bomb: :pupp: :mart: :myrm: :chip: :gaun: :pand: :dead:
are pretty fun.

[iSlapMelons]

haha you never played l4d

150 hours on it, 90 hours on l4d2.

:balp:

[````Dvt````]

Holy ****.
You know nothing of the Counter-Strike scene.
Counter-Strike 1.6, you know, the worlds biggest FPS game hasn't had a game change for the better since 1.5.

The 1.5 version being the one PRIOR to Valves takeover. Do not even dare to credit Valve for the success of Counter-Strike, as it is completely due to other factors (CPL, ESL) and small national communities that Counter-Strike is considered a successful game.

The ONLY thing Valve has EVER done to Counter-Strike is too put in the most retarded "weapon" the shield and made a follow up containing a SINGLEPLAYER campaign (Counter-Strike: Condition Zero).

You can see that even when they create a game from scratch (CS:S), it never competed with Counter-Strike 1.6 and they even managed to **** that up aswell.

You have chosen a poor fight as it is very clear that between us, I am the superior person when it comes to something related to Counter-Strike.

Agreed. I was somewhat known in the CS community hehehehe



Thats already two games.

How are they far from competitive, having tournments almost every week?

And CSGO is coming.

Sigh...

there's a difference between being competitive and competitively balanced.

[xhizt]

why so much fuss about dota2 anyway?

if there was tetris online no one would bother posting sh1t like:
"Hon > Tetris, you all b1tchf4gs go play noob tetris"
" Hon graphics > Tetris rofl, wtf is that cubic sh1t anyway?!?! lolol"

People are aware of a threat Dota2 presents for Hon and other games of the genre.

It awakes some sort of anxiety in those weak minded gamers, GET YOURSELF TOGETHER, try both, decide what you like more, stick with it... No need for another one of these shitty threads with no purpose.

Forget all facts, all the company's cold served bullsh1t, all crashes, bugs, exploits...

Enjoy playing fckin video game and shut the hell up.

p.s. if you want some sort of opinion in dota2 vs hon / hon vs dota2 .... make a stupid poll

[Cord]

Also, I think counterstrike was best right before they added the UMP.

Beta 5 or something?

[Chaosboom]

Feels like HoN allready have everything this stratergy game can have, so i dont think il be playing dota 2 since its a worse version of the noob game League of legends... Anyone agree?

Hey. More newfags.

HoN is a replica of Dota. Dota 2 is a more precise replica of Dota.
LoL is a stand alone MoBA

[Atheism]

Not very popular?

Most of those have more people online right now then hon.

Get your facts straight, kid.

According to http://store.steampowered.com/stats/, Half-Life 2: Deathmatch peaked today at 952.
Counter-Strike peaked at 60,963.
My guess is that HoN peaked at around 40k+.

It was only HLDS(2) I talked about when I said they weren't popular.

Very very anecdotal evidence you have. Please do not claim you have any facts at all on this matter.

[Teddy]

Anyone else remember when CS had a red interface?

y :3

[Atheism]

Thats already two games.

How are they far from competitive, having tournments almost every week?

And CSGO is coming.

Sigh...

CS:GO, balanced around "pro" Counter-Strike: Source players. Looking foward to that.

Now please give me your best TF2 or CS:S e-sports website and compare it to HLTV.org

Then show me some international tournaments and compare them to IEM, ESWC, WCG and all other tournaments which laugh at TF2 (and CS:S mostly).

[JoOKie]

Thats already two games.

How are they far from competitive, having tournments almost every week?

And CSGO is coming.

Sigh...
LoL has tournaments. Does that make it a good competitive game? Competitive scene of CSS was always weaker than 1.6. Game had numerous flaws until the past year - which is too late in my eyes. CSS could've really taken off. TF2 is actually pretty decent, but the competitive scene is very weak (stronger in EU), has teams constantly dropping out/leaving for lower divisions for the hell of it, and look at all those items? Not saying they're not fun games - just blatantly not competitively-geared.

btw LMFAO CSGO. I'm sorry, but discuss things where you have a clue. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that adding molotovs to CS is a bad idea.

[Cord]

y :3

I edited that out cause I thought i was going crazy and couldn't find a screenshot of it.

So it did really have that very early on? I'm pretty sure when it was like in early early beta I saw it with a red hud at my friend's place while he was playing it. Then we started playing together and I think they changed it to orange.

Then again, maybe he had changed his hud.

[Cord]

Actually, back in the early days when DOTA hadn't taken hold as the definitive AOS style map there were a few competitors. My friends and I made one of them but it never gained any traction because we didn't really keep developing it.

My favorite hero from ours was called Monolith.

It was a giant stone obelisk that could walk only very slowly. Instead, it got around almost entirely by blinking and had a very long range attack. I'm trying to remember exactly what else it did. It probably shot lasers or something.

I also remember we had a guy called Miser who would steal gold from people and had abilities based on sunlight and coins.

[Sandy_Cheeks]

If the gabe newell hero is real. I'm totally switching to dota2. Seriously though, I do love HoN, I don't see why people can't play both? I play tf2 and this all the time.

[Nekros]

I laugh with you there is nofhing more to improv on this game execpt new heros and they will get boring after a while and people will go back to HoN or LoL...

TRUST ME I COME FROM THE FUTURE:chro:
The presence of actual balance thanks to ice frog is a huge factor. Also HoN's competitive scene will pretty much go deeper into the shitter as just about every Dota pro that had gone to HoN is coming back to DOTA 2.

[IsmaelVera]

Hey. More newfags.

HoN is a replica of Dota. Dota 2 is a more precise replica of Dota.
LoL is a stand alone MoBA

Sigh.

HoN by now is significantly different than dota. By now all 3 are their own games.

Don't insult people.
:balp:

[RaViJ]

Seems as if yesterday that the thread title was the other way around.

[Mowgs]

So does this mean the HoN community will improve when all the ignorant ***holes switch to Dota2 when released?

[Juicenewton]

So does this mean the HoN community will improve when all the ignorant ***holes switch to Dota2 when released?

If by improve you mean double queue times then yes

[MisakaMikot0]

Atleast, dota2 dont have Emerald Warden and Midas.

[FORUMACCOUNT]

So after playing a few games of DotA 2, it is safe to say the game has alot more potential then HoN. Once everything is tweaked and more features are added, I'm probably going to stick with DotA 2.

[Juicenewton]

So after playing a few games of DotA 2, it is safe to say the game has alot more potential then HoN. Once everything is tweaked and more features are added, I'm probably going to stick with DotA 2.


Does that mean dota 2 winsauce videos?

[FORUMACCOUNT]

Does that mean dota 2 winsauce videos?

I'll probably start on some videos mid November, I somehow went 33-5-20 with pudge my 2nd game. BRs are already infesting the game so it shouldn't be hard.

[Runewind]

I laugh at people thinking that the DotA 2 community will be better.

I've played dota 1 since beta. Let's just say the community is much better than HoN will ever be.

Even on the dota forums which I had been active for 2 years when I ran my own dota website, people were constructive and nice.

[Ogrim]

I completely love the idea of DotA2 being in the hands of IceFrog, but whenever I think of that, I remember that Valve sits there with their fatty-fat-fats just waiting to **** EVERYTHING up.

Valve are great at making singleplayer games, but holy ****, anything with involves a social aspect, competitive gaming or balance is none of their business.

Go back to TF2.

holy hell that girl in your avatar is hawt...

[Lyall]

Atleast, dota2 dont have Emerald Warden and Midas.

Or Arachna or Predator or Silhouette or MoA or Kraken........ God, I love it already.

[GhsCrysis]

DotA 2 community is going to be exactly the same.

DotA 2 the game will be infinitely better.

HoN just dumbs things down every patch and adds completely retarded and insanely boring heroes (how come half the new heroes have passive ultimates?)

[HonchoBob]

Valve gets bored with things and moves on, leaving only rare cosmetic changes in the pipeline. They are always hunting for their next big community lovin' game. Not a bad strategy overall, but dota2 could end up like Half-life 2 episode never or left 4 dead 1/2.

[FORUMACCOUNT]

Valve gets bored with things and moves on, leaving only rare cosmetic changes in the pipeline. They are always hunting for their next big community lovin' game. Not a bad strategy overall, but dota2 could end up like Half-life 2 episode never or left 4 dead 1/2.

Valve's record looks a bit nicer then S2's.

[Therzok]

If HoN gets custom maps available, it'll be Warcraft 4. Better than DotA in any aspects.

[MisakaMikot0]

Dota 2 more better than Hon because no scout:)

[PicardsFlute]

Dota 2 more better than Hon because no scout:)

Gondar instead, sweet. Here's my $50.

Oh, and here's $20 more for some hats.

[Apto]

Or awesome looking alt avatars.

[Flumbollen]

Dota 2 more better than Hon because no scout:)

At least scout can carry when he ks like a ****.
There is nothing more annoying then a Bounty hunter that does nothing but last hit with shuriken because he can never become good and the team is doomed to fail.

[RUSty_]

I use to post here daily. Currently I'd say HoN is alot smoother than HoN as well as theres this small delay in animations but apparently thats just ported over from DotA. In regards to HoN, I cant continue to support a game not aimed at me personally. I like balance, I like heroes coming out every few months and the fact that some of those heroes may never see the cm pool for over a year. I'll always have a soft spot for how HoN use to be and don't take this the wrong way, I'm sure their new pricing model is successful but its not aimed at me so I'll be playing the game more suited to me.

[Chaosboom]

Sigh.

HoN by now is significantly different than dota. By now all 3 are their own games.

Don't insult people.
:balp:

Gotta congratulate S2 though for being able to even directly port the units measurement system. Sometimes I wonder if HoN was made with WCIII map editor.

The only difference in game play is the removal of the special shops.

The reasons I'll move to Dota 2 are plenty. First off I've had no bad experiences with Valve. Ever. (My hats>your argument)
The HoN community is mostly stupid, biased people who think posting a reply with NO context of the matter discussed is somehow still a counter argument. (no finger pointing, but yeah your post Ismael)
On that exact matter S2 does to some degree encourage flaming and (in-game) bigotry. (taunt, troll icons, officials' behavior)
S2 are also widely renowned for playing favorites, removing bans and leaves from certain people.
And last bot not least there are simply too few people playing HoN for the MM system to work properly.


"But you still play HoN so you are a hypocrite"
In no way shape or form. It's a good game with terrible service.

[Torturer]

Now please give me your best TF2 or CS:S e-sports website and compare it to HLTV.org
We all know CS:S isn't going to outdo CS 1.6 but TF2 is pretty well balanced for competitive gameplay with one of the fastest growing scenes.

http://etf2l.org/
http://esea.net/
http://www.vanillatf2.org/
http://tf2.wireplay.co.uk/

Just to name a few that have gotten popular over the last 2 years.

inb4 not as popular.

You're comparing a competitive scene that has since 1999 majured fully to a game whose competitive scene is still rapidly growing from around 2007 till now.
EDIT:
....and ofcourse TF2 is about more than just shooting heads with little to no tactics and depth wich most baddies don't like.

[These_Balls]

I laugh at people thinking that the DotA 2 community will be better.

It will be better with tougher restrictions and forum moderation.
Wouldnt be surprised to see bans fly easy for flaming.

[Excyis]

NOTTO DISSU SHITTU AGEN!

Really... That's just like your opinion man.

[Kaee]

to argue that the DotA2 community is going to be any less special than LoL's or HoN's is crazy.
i am excited to get to see what Valve has created, i will be trying DotA2 when i get invited to the beta at which i will decide what game i like better. however i feel like HoN as a game is still growing and will most likely be in a different place when DotA2 goes retail.

[Gorb]

The only difference in game play is the removal of the special shops.
Um.

Don't the additional S2 heroes make the slightest bit of difference to the gameplay? In a hero-based, hero-driven multiplayer game, I would've thought additional different heroes would drive the gameplay in a different direction. And DotA has it's own heroes as well. That's quite a divergence in the available hero pool.

I mean, if you cite the only difference as being the removal of the Secret Shop, then that's pretty much the only different LoL has compared to HoN and DotA, the new Dominion game mode aside.

And that's without comparing Roshan to Kongor, map differentiation, DotA heroes that are shared by both games that have been balanced differently by IceFrog and S2, smaller changes like the ward purchase change, and so on.

[genai]

If you notice, HoN fanboys all give pretty sh*t reasons (I don't expect better ;))as to why DotA2 is bad, so I don't care if those dumbasses aren't playing and no one else does either. Why are these threads made again?

3 years of dota, 2-3 of hon, and now have dota2...
hon > dota >>>> dota 2...
want reasons? animations suck, effects are horrible, even sound is craptastic... its also slow, but thats just after playing hon, since dota was also slower... so i wont include that as a minus...

heroes talk crap all the time, every spell, every item you buy... yet most of the time you cant even know if your hero attacked or not (melee)... earthshaker attacks with fists... no sound at all, and you cant see his fists 90% of time if you are radiant (since you see his back)... arrows shot by potm and drow "hit" half way to their target, hero doing dmg and getting gold while projectile is still in the air... creeps look the same, and neutral creeps are horrible (lol at ancient lizards).. heroes hard to see because they are small etc (not all tho, but like tiny, clockwerk, sniper etc)...

there is plenty of that, no need to name it all... dota2 in its current state is worse dota... everything that was good in dota, is made worse in dota2... only positives are reconnect an dedicated servers...

how can anyone who played dota2 say its better than hon? sure if you want to trashtalk s2 and "force" them to do something... but really think its better? must be insane... since everything is worse than in hon, even worse than in dota...

[MonkeyBurn]

Now here they are animated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BA4wQH7TBA

[delux82]

Dota 2 is by valve. They love, and take care of their games.

this made my day look like you´ve never played a competative game from them ^^

[Quelsatron]

I dunno,
:amun: :bomb: :pupp: :mart: :myrm: :chip: :gaun: :pand: :dead:
are pretty fun.

S2 have a few really nice heroes like :bomb:, but they keep shoveling out forgettable borepills like :geom::reve::mast::drun::mida::amun: which aversely affects my games because I have to play with them.

[Quelsatron]

3 years of dota, 2-3 of hon, and now have dota2...
hon > dota >>>> dota 2...
want reasons? animations suck, effects are horrible, even sound is craptastic... its also slow, but thats just after playing hon, since dota was also slower... so i wont include that as a minus...

heroes talk crap all the time, every spell, every item you buy... yet most of the time you cant even know if your hero attacked or not (melee)... earthshaker attacks with fists... no sound at all, and you cant see his fists 90% of time if you are radiant (since you see his back)... arrows shot by potm and drow "hit" half way to their target, hero doing dmg and getting gold while projectile is still in the air... creeps look the same, and neutral creeps are horrible (lol at ancient lizards).. heroes hard to see because they are small etc (not all tho, but like tiny, clockwerk, sniper etc)...

there is plenty of that, no need to name it all... dota2 in its current state is worse dota... everything that was good in dota, is made worse in dota2... only positives are reconnect an dedicated servers...

how can anyone who played dota2 say its better than hon? sure if you want to trashtalk s2 and "force" them to do something... but really think its better? must be insane... since everything is worse than in hon, even worse than in dota...

I couldn't help but notice that your entire post discusses the graphics. Please stop ruining the industry.

[Radio_Raheem]

Atleast, dota2 dont have Emerald Warden and Midas.

HoN doesn't have no-fun-Nightstalker and "LOL did you let your dog design that skill" Doom Bringer.

[Zaajki]

As i said before there is not much to improve to make this game better beside making new heros.. What Dota2 will have that hon is missing is diffrent heros mabye or diffrent avatars.. Tbh i think the only reason people trashtalk games like HoN/LoL is quz they probly suck and that Valve is a big company and will with no probs have millions of players and does not require any skills..
For an exampel, people hate Justin Bieber.. OH HEY i hate him too but quz everyone else does?!?! :D
So people will start playing dota 2 quz they think the whole world is going to play it.. I can imagine alot of players the first months but then it will be less and less over the months...
Sorry for my terrible english
Regards ; Xura

[acepig]

I have a yellow pair of nikes in my closet... i thought we were talking about things that do not matter...

[RussiaBoy97]

Dota 2 is by valve. They love, and take care of their games.

You can expect LOTS of improvements.



Have u ever played a valve game? Doesnt not seems so. If u rly are a valvefanboI, I can understand, but u should not be until u have tried a valve game. they are in general destroy games, cause they are retarded.

And yes, am proffesional CSS gamer, also good in cs, both games destroy by retard patches, cause valve is trash. Also, u should get used to crash'z, cause they hapen all day in valvegames.

[Atheism]

We all know CS:S isn't going to outdo CS 1.6 but TF2 is pretty well balanced for competitive gameplay with one of the fastest growing scenes.

http://etf2l.org/
http://esea.net/
http://www.vanillatf2.org/
http://tf2.wireplay.co.uk/

Just to name a few that have gotten popular over the last 2 years.

inb4 not as popular.

You're comparing a competitive scene that has since 1999 majured fully to a game whose competitive scene is still rapidly growing from around 2007 till now.
EDIT:
....and ofcourse TF2 is about more than just shooting heads with little to no tactics and depth wich most baddies don't like.

Interesting links, but I simply have to disagree with you. The TF2 player statistics spiked once TF2 hit F2P but have since then fallen below both CS1.6 and CS:S. Now it is not at all close to 1.6, as you mentioned, but I would like to compare TF2 to CoD4. Two games which are not balanced around any competitive scene and are very few times taken up in major tournaments.

Compared to HoN (and especially DotA/DotA2) TF2 and CoD4 do not stand a chance. They are simply not adapted to it. TF2 competitive popularity might increase, but it would have to do so ten times as fast ten years in a row to be considered something to be taken up in the most minor tournaments.

Also, Counter-Strike peaked way before 2011 and peaked around 3-4 years after its release (I would guess). TF2 has had enough time to try.

[gambler]

TF2 is balanced in the comp scene...

[Quelsatron]

TF2 is balanced in the comp scene...

Isn't comp TF2 played 6v6 with class limits everywhere? If comp TF2 is balanced, then why can you only have one demoman/medic?

[Atheism]

TF2 is balanced in the comp scene...

I am not THAT familiar with the competitive scene, but if it follows under their own restrictions apart from the 99% who usually plays TF2, it could be balanced, but it wouldn't be competitive on a larger scale.

[gambler]

Isn't comp TF2 played 6v6 with class limits everywhere? If comp TF2 is balanced, then why can you only have one demoman/medic?

So the game can be balanced in the comp scene, isn't that obvious?

[Gorb]

But the game isn't balanced, because it requires competitive teams to abide by unspoken rules.

That is not "balance". That's "imposing rules because balance doesn't cut it". In my opinion, of course. I haven't played TF2 in a while, and I certainly wasn't much good at it :)

[Quelsatron]

So the game can be balanced in the comp scene, isn't that obvious?

If the only way for the game to be balanced is to introduce unofficial rules then the game isn't balanced. You're not playing TF2, you're playing TF2: Electric Bogaloo.

[Shoobeh]

DOTA 2 will take a **** on HoN and it is the best game ever made.

Just go and play dota? It's the same game. It's already made.

[Jiub]

why are people arguing about valve's ability to balance a game? That's why they hired icefrog. They supply the engine, the platform, the marketing, etc, and he'll balance the game like he did for original dota.

HoN fanboys are really grasping for straws if this is their best argument.

[Sen]

Right now I love hon but I Crash alot; servers screw up alot; games are not balanced and MM is totally flawed.

IMO those type of issues are what will really decide it for most people.

[Puuhis]

rofl apparently you have never heard of any of their Multiplayer titles. Mainly Counter Strike that for a long time was the most played game of all time AND STILL holds more players than hon+savage+savage 2 will ever have.

sir, hon has about the same amount of players daily with tf2 and css

[MrSnowball]

People need to realize that both DotA and HoN have flaws. Both games have silly easy mode heroes (Warden and Leoric), heroes that are borderline unbalanced (Kraken, Silouette, Weaver and DOOMBRINGER) and a partly terrible community. Both are great games in their own ways, deal with it.

[burntchomsky]

Oh my god, this makes my day...I figured out how to add Ishmael to my ignore list.

[gambler]

If the only way for the game to be balanced is to introduce unofficial rules then the game isn't balanced. You're not playing TF2, you're playing TF2: Electric Bogaloo.

Stop saying bullcrap please. There was never official rules for TF2. "Unofficial" rules" are made for EVERY fps game that got a comp scene, establishing specific server and client cfgs besides another things. And the TF2 is perfectly balanced in the comp scene because of that. The same rules are applied worldwide like Counter Strike.

[Lyall]

Just go and play dota? It's the same game. It's already made.

Yes, it already exists on a clumsy engine without matchmaking. In other words, DotA1 is inconvenient to say the very least.

[Hsssh]

I couldn't help but notice that your entire post discusses the graphics. Please stop ruining the industry.

But thats his point, Dota2 is like Dota but worse. Gameplay might be same but presentation is subpar.


Stop saying bullcrap please. There was never official rules for TF2. "Unofficial" rules" are made for EVERY fps game that got a comp scene, establishing specific server and client cfgs besides another things. And the TF2 is perfectly balanced in the comp scene because of that. The same rules are applied worldwide like Counter Strike.

So what you`d say if HoN had "special rules"?

[Lyall]

I sincerely hope that most of those models are mere rough drafts, because so many of them look awful.

[Hontourage]

i remember when hon came out, i was like fvck that dota for life.... until i actually tried hon

feel the same right now, hon > dota 2, but you never know until you try it

[Serasboy]

Not very popular?

Most of those have more people online right now then hon.

Get your facts straight, kid.

More players =/= better game...

[Serasboy]

Right now I love hon but I Crash alot; servers screw up alot; games are not balanced and MM is totally flawed.

IMO those type of issues are what will really decide it for most people.

For me its no, uh no , no again and no sry man u are wrong.

never lagged(unless its my network fault)
never crashed
game is way more balanced than dota(i came from dota btw)
about mm i have nothing to say coz in my bracket is hard to find any problems (dont care about stats anyway)

[JoOKie]

But the game isn't balanced, because it requires competitive teams to abide by unspoken rules.

That is not "balance". That's "imposing rules because balance doesn't cut it". In my opinion, of course. I haven't played TF2 in a while, and I certainly wasn't much good at it :)

You impose specific rules to balance the game. And it is balance. Pubs and scrims are completely different. There's a reason why BP is the standard of balance in HoN.

[Lynx]

sc2 > hon

[iTzSLammi]

If you haven't noticed, hon fanboys hate hon! :)

[Death_Rattle]

Chocolate milk>normal milk

[Aforis]

I remember back in the beta most people were crying to get more dota hero ported asap.The majority just wanted to play dota without leaver and issues that the old engine had.I was playing garena back in the time,it was pure bullshit and i saw HoN like a gift from heaven.

But now that dota 2 is soon to be released why would i play a wannabe clone of the original game i always wanted to play?.
Dont get me wrong,this is a good game but i dont think its different enough from the dota metagame to justify it as a standalone game.

[Chaosboom]

Um.

Don't the additional S2 heroes make the slightest bit of difference to the gameplay? In a hero-based, hero-driven multiplayer game, I would've thought additional different heroes would drive the gameplay in a different direction. And DotA has it's own heroes as well. That's quite a divergence in the available hero pool.

I mean, if you cite the only difference as being the removal of the Secret Shop, then that's pretty much the only different LoL has compared to HoN and DotA, the new Dominion game mode aside.

And that's without comparing Roshan to Kongor, map differentiation, DotA heroes that are shared by both games that have been balanced differently by IceFrog and S2, smaller changes like the ward purchase change, and so on.

The difference between HoN and LoL are greater than the differences between HoN and Dota by mounds. I could list them but you made a half-arsed post addressing 1 sentence in my post. I thought you guys were objective.

edit.Lemme list the major differences that I can think off.

LoL-Dota. You can't deny, there is tall grass compensating for FoW, towers don't have a proper prio system (creeps>all) there is no homecoming stone. No runes, no Kong/Roshan, ability power.
-Every item.
-Every hero.
-Every Spell.

HoN-Dota.
-Special shop.
-Some heroes.
-Some items.
-Some number tweaks.

[Radio_Raheem]

why are people arguing about valve's ability to balance a game? That's why they hired icefrog. They supply the engine, the platform, the marketing, etc, and he'll balance the game like he did for original dota.

HoN fanboys are really grasping for straws if this is their best argument.

you're grasping at straws if you think that icefrog can balance a game in any reasonable amount of time. original dota still has a slew of imbalances just in the basic map layout, let alone the heroes abilities. hon at the moment has a much more versatile spread of competitively viable heroes thanks to pre-diva balance and design.

[RPE]

no one cares please mod's do your job and trash this thread.

[KingDongWang]

Too many of these retarded threads on the forums, bunch of 11 year olds stroking each others wieners in fantasy land pretending they have friends that think the same way they do.

Why are threads that flame HON taken down while these idiotic ones which are full of trolls stay on the front page for weeks and grow to 40 pages?

Delete Delete Delete

[DentMan06]

I will play both. However, EVERY night when I goto bed I watch dota2 streams... the more I watch them, the more I am starting to feel that connection with it like I had in DotA. It's going to be a killer of a game. WHO CARES if you think one is better than the other. PLAY both... or don't play at all. No one cares. LOCK THIS THREAD.

[AsianHero]

dota 2 accept opinion. therefore, Dota 2 > Hon

[Apoll]

i like how many of you really think that valve will care about your opinon
and often the forum opinion are balance discussions (which are 95% non objective)

valve is gigantic and needs lots of money to pay their enourmous amount of employees
and you really think valve put all its effort in dota 2

if yes i expect it to be pay2play instead of buy2play
if it is free2play there will be no support at all

[DoubleEh]

Dota2 fanboys are deluded.

valve is **** and has never made a good game that i wanted to play for more then 20 mins

im leaving for dota2 cuz im a madbad that enjoys his nostalgic ****, mainly cuz i was born in the 90's

Good day,
Brian Scott Williams Jr.

this is wut i read

gg nerd cya later

[Ninaran]

But the game isn't balanced, because it requires competitive teams to abide by unspoken rules.

That is not "balance". That's "imposing rules because balance doesn't cut it". In my opinion, of course. I haven't played TF2 in a while, and I certainly wasn't much good at it :)

Like: "You may not enter the enemies base without creeps.", or "Maximum of 2 CC items per team."?

[Bruxa]

I know, it is this thread again. But I believe that some of the reasons I will point out have not been quite mentioned yet. Everyone seems to get stuck at the differences in graphics and in heroes.

Anyway here is the list. Discuss which ones you agree / disagree. Some of these are hypothetical so they might be wrong.

1. DotA 2 will have bots with AI, meaning that new players will get the opportunity to practice without being insulted and yelled upon.

2. DotA 2 will have the option to spectate games after they started. Instead of just waiting for your friends to finish the game they were in, you can actually go and watch they finish the game.

3. DotA 2 will have a slower pace. Sure action is not as frenetic as HoN but you can more easily make strategical decisions in a team fight.

4. (Hypothetically) DotA 2 will not track stats about anything else than wins/losses and experience level. Nobody has to worry about increasing their K:D which promotes kill steal and makes people feel less inclined to play supports who die easily in team fights.

5. (Hypothetically) DotA 2 will have a better alternative for HoN's MMR / Leavers / Conceding / Kick and Reporting systems which are crap. Hon is the first game I play where I'm often forced to waste 20 minutes of time because some guy alone will not want to concede a lost game usually because he fed and got insulted.

6. (Hypothetically) DotA 2 will not have early access. It might not even have a pay per hero system which only promotes having new heroes being constantly released sacrificing quality of design and game balance.

[Juicenewton]

Like: "You may not enter the enemies base without creeps.", or "Maximum of 2 CC items per team."?

Good thing the majority of tournaments in the past few months have cut those rules out entirely.

The only rule thats really a standard is "no blocking off lane creeps with behemoth's fissure"

[Z3ROCOOL22]

I know, it is this thread again. But I believe that some of the reasons I will point out have not been quite mentioned yet. Everyone seems to get stuck at the differences in graphics and in heroes.

Anyway here is the list. Discuss which ones you agree / disagree. Some of these are hypothetical so they might be wrong.

1. DotA 2 will have bots with AI, meaning that new players will get the opportunity to practice without being insulted and yelled upon.

2. DotA 2 will have the option to spectate games after they started. Instead of just waiting for your friends to finish the game they were in, you can actually go and watch they finish the game.

3. DotA 2 will have a slower pace. Sure action is not as frenetic as HoN but you can more easily make strategical decisions in a team fight.

4. (Hypothetically) DotA 2 will not track stats about anything else than wins/losses and experience level. Nobody has to worry about increasing their K:D which promotes kill steal and makes people feel less inclined to play supports who die easily in team fights.

5. (Hypothetically) DotA 2 will have a better alternative for HoN's MMR / Leavers / Conceding / Kick and Reporting systems which are crap. Hon is the first game I play where I'm often forced to waste 20 minutes of time because some guy alone will not want to concede a lost game usually because he fed and got insulted.

6. (Hypothetically) DotA 2 will not have early access. It might not even have a pay per hero system which only promotes having new heroes being constantly released sacrificing quality of design and game balance.

Good points.

[Firemave]

Valve gets bored with things and moves on, leaving only rare cosmetic changes in the pipeline. They are always hunting for their next big community lovin' game. Not a bad strategy overall, but dota2 could end up like Half-life 2 episode never or left 4 dead 1/2.

You're retarded, TF2 has been getting so many updates.

[Sharpryno]

You're retarded, TF2 has been getting so many updates.
Because it makes money.

Best way for dota2 to limit griefers/trolls is to make it a one time pay, so if you get banned you are done.
If its f2p, its going to worse than HoN.

But dota2 looks like nothing special when compared to HoN.

[Grim]

Because it makes money.

Best way for dota2 to limit griefers/trolls is to make it a one time pay, so if you get banned you are done.
If its f2p, its going to worse than HoN.

But dota2 looks like nothing special when compared to HoN.

See the word 'Looks'
You haven't played the game yet :D

[FORUMACCOUNT]

So I went 33-5-20 with pudge my 2nd game.

BRs are already in the game.

[Lethe]

Honestly I don't get these people who bash HoN/Dota 2/LoL.

HoN fanboys stay here in the HoN forums and games while dota fanboys take to the dota forums and games.

everyone wins.

[Testingrani]

For those who want to get in the beta:
Dota 2 Beta Key Contest (http://www.neutralcreeps.com/2011/10/neutralcreepscom-dota2-beta-key.html)

[Dany`]

just won my key in u-photo contest :D

*looking into jellysmelly's direction*

[Dawnbringer]

I'm sick of the bashing in this thread...

HoN players bashing DotA players, DotA players bashing HoN players. Pick the game you want and stick to it. You don't have to bash the other to make you feel that your game is superior. Some like one, some like the other, some like both.

Seriously, 1/2 of you are acting like children -.-

[ZeeQ]

I'm sick of the bashing in this thread...

HoN players bashing DotA players, DotA players bashing HoN players. Pick the game you want and stick to it. You don't have to bash the other to make you feel that your game is superior. Some like one, some like the other, some like both.

Seriously, 1/2 of you are acting like children -.-

YOU MUST BE A LOL PLAYER I'M GONNA BASH YOU TO OBLIVION

jk

[Dawnbringer]

^Actually that is quite possibly the only MOBA I have never tried :/

Tried Demigod and the graphics were nice but the gameplay was a little... off.

[Strygwyr]

to all the dota 2 haters, wanna exchange my account with a key plox?

:(

[Dawnbringer]

I think a majority of them haven't even played the game and are just hating for no apparent reason other than they saw an alpha version of the game at some tournament and didn't like it (I must admit, Valve should have showcased a more complete game but still).

[eNTe_eXe]

I think a majority of them haven't even played the game and are just hating for no apparent reason other than they saw an alpha version of the game at some tournament and didn't like it (I must admit, Valve should have showcased a more complete game but still).

I am part of the beta and I gotta admit, HoN is the better game AT THE MOMENT.
This is because the game is still in beta and there is still alot that needs to be changed and fixed in order to make the game great. That's also the reason why you guys should not expect and big beta invitations anytime soon. The game is not ready yet and there are not enough servers.
Besides that, there is no punishment system for leavers yet so more players means more frustrating game with more leavers. Honestly, it seems to get worse each day.

With that being said, I do believe DotA2 will be the "better" game in half a year or so. At least for me.

[Dawnbringer]

^Exactly, they are basing their opinions on an unfinished, unreleased game. Also I mean the people who are saying: OMG HoN sux, so many OP heroes, going to DOTA2.

Who are basing their points on ignorance and nerdrage.

[MonkeyBurn]

http://www.facebook.com/playdota?sk=wall like so when they get to 100k then they will start the open beta its like 10% away.

[SoulCrusher]

They will tell you how to get keys, not that they start the open beta.

[eNTe_eXe]

http://www.facebook.com/playdota?sk=wall like so when they get to 100k then they will start the open beta its like 10% away.

They are going to announce the next beta key giveaway. Trust me, open beta is not close AT ALL and so it should be considering the current state of the game.

[Swanker]

New patch out, Kunkka looks SIIIICK:

This update also enables the practice bots. While they’re still a work in progress, they’re a great low-pressure tool for trying out new heroes and item builds. While practicing with them, note that you can ping the minimap to send commands to your allied bots – ping an enemy tower to tell them to push a lane, an enemy hero to ask for assistance in a gank, and so on. At the moment they only know how to play a subset of the current heroes, but they do know how to use all of Dota 2′s many items.
They’ll also use text chat to indicate their plans, so you can join in. For example, they’ll:


Let you know when they’re coming to your lane for a gank.
Communicate when they’re fleeing or losing a fight.
Indicate their high priority targets in upcoming team fights.
Expose their thinking about whether they should push or defend their lanes.
Call for assistance versus Roshan if they think the timing is right.

If you’re interested, here are a few features we’ll be adding to them next:


User specified difficulty levels, so you can tune them to your skill level.
Deeper control over your allied bots, so you can “command” your team at a high level. For instance, you might want your team’s carry to not join a fight, and instead keep farming their lane. Note that they do a good job of making these kinds of decisions themselves, but if you really want to be hands-on, you can.
Support for several more heroes.

As always, let us know what you think.
Finally, we saw that Playdota’s Photo Competition (http://www.playdota.com/forums/546766/playdota-u-photo-competition-winners/) finished up, and handed out several Dota 2 keys. If you haven’t taken a look, there’s some great photos there.
http://blog.dota2.com/images/icon_facebook.png Share on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.dota2.com%2F2011%2F 10%2Ftwice-the-blood-shall-i-shed%2F&t=Twice+the+blood+shall+I+shed%21) http://blog.dota2.com/images/icon_reddit.png Reddit this (http://reddit.com/r/gaming/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.dota2.com%2F2011%2F10 %2Ftwice-the-blood-shall-i-shed%2F&title=Twice+the+blood+shall+I+shed%21)

citation: http://blog.dota2.com/2011/10/twice-the-blood-shall-i-shed/

[Z3ROCOOL22]

New patch out, Kunkka looks SIIIICK:

This update also enables the practice bots. While they’re still a work in progress, they’re a great low-pressure tool for trying out new heroes and item builds. While practicing with them, note that you can ping the minimap to send commands to your allied bots – ping an enemy tower to tell them to push a lane, an enemy hero to ask for assistance in a gank, and so on. At the moment they only know how to play a subset of the current heroes, but they do know how to use all of Dota 2′s many items.
They’ll also use text chat to indicate their plans, so you can join in. For example, they’ll:


Let you know when they’re coming to your lane for a gank.
Communicate when they’re fleeing or losing a fight.
Indicate their high priority targets in upcoming team fights.
Expose their thinking about whether they should push or defend their lanes.
Call for assistance versus Roshan if they think the timing is right.

If you’re interested, here are a few features we’ll be adding to them next:


User specified difficulty levels, so you can tune them to your skill level.
Deeper control over your allied bots, so you can “command” your team at a high level. For instance, you might want your team’s carry to not join a fight, and instead keep farming their lane. Note that they do a good job of making these kinds of decisions themselves, but if you really want to be hands-on, you can.
Support for several more heroes.

As always, let us know what you think.
Finally, we saw that Playdota’s Photo Competition (http://www.playdota.com/forums/546766/playdota-u-photo-competition-winners/) finished up, and handed out several Dota 2 keys. If you haven’t taken a look, there’s some great photos there.
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citation: http://blog.dota2.com/2011/10/twice-the-blood-shall-i-shed/

****ing awesome, that i call a very smart AI!

note that you can ping the minimap to send commands to your allied bots – ping an enemy tower to tell them to push a lane, an enemy hero to ask for assistance in a gank, and so on.

[Roaec]

s2 too lazy to release sdk so the community can create their own AI )))

[Evermourn]

http://www.gosugamers.net/news/17230-smm-switches-to-dota-2-for-grand-finals

SMM (A major DotA LAN) has decided to switch to Dota2 for its grand finals despite having qualifiers on DotA 1. Thoughts?

[DeathCult]

I want to play Dota 2 myself. I dont give a damn to tournaments where I am only forced to watch like a sitting duck!!

[o____o]

Riki and new Void ulti.

http://www.dota2pro.com/story.php?t=308

Thoughts?

[eNTe_eXe]

It was about time they changed Void's ult. Looked like ****.

[FRiddle]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9814/dotaring.png (http://www.shapeways.com/model/357027/dota_2_ring.html?key=df2bb447f2e3b99141d7143a3af92 0e3)

[yug_modnar]

Riki and new Void ulti.

http://www.dota2pro.com/story.php?t=308

Thoughts?

looks even worse imo, S2 did a great job with chronos riki looks as retardly cartoonish as the most part of other dota 2 heroes

[FORUMACCOUNT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78Ys25FK3Gk

I am just here to confirm that you can no longer magically walk through trees.

[Swanker]

looks even worse imo, S2 did a great job with chronos riki looks as retardly cartoonish as the most part of other dota 2 heroes

LOL, ****in hontards.

[Talesavo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78Ys25FK3Gk

I am just here to confirm that you can no longer magically walk through trees.


Yep, the pathing in HoN is atrocious **** and that's being kind.

P.S Lol at the retard that says that void's ult looks WORSE, it looks ****in rad.

[Gleaming]

looks even worse imo, S2 did a great job with chronos riki looks as retardly cartoonish as the most part of other dota 2 heroes


Wow, you're an idiot

[ZeeQ]

looks even worse imo, S2 did a great job with chronos riki looks as retardly cartoonish as the most part of other dota 2 heroes

Yes and NH looking left and right all the ****ing time is great animation, GTFO blind idiot

[superdeluxxe]

New sphere looks great. muuuuch better

[Techies]

Want a DOTA2 beta key? Are you rich and desperate? And do you like helping sick children?
Now's your chance!

All you have to do is donate the most money. Currently at $450.
At least it's non taxable and going towards Charity.

Or donate $5 to enter the lucky draw!

http://www.extra-life.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=donorDrive.participant&page=1&eventID=501&participantID=22398

Or you could go to playdota and enter the lottery with 13k other people and stand a 0.04% chance of winning a key everyday.

[Kasma]

LOL, ****in hontards.
proper name is s2upids

[DarthBotto]

It seems like literally half the posts on the HoN forums include somebody saying, "S2 did a great job," when the game is getting attacked.

[amness]

It seems like literally half the posts on the HoN forums include somebody saying, "S2 did a great job," when the game is getting attacked.

Maybe a trigger-bot? ;D

Anyway, words won't safe hon so....

[Techies]

Something that kinda annoyed when watching that charity dude streaming DOTA2 is that he never clicked an enemy once to check their Mana or actual HP.

Also if you click an enemy you GUI is basically replaced with theirs, in other words you cannot see your skill cooldowns or their mana costs.

[Hax]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78Ys25FK3Gk

I am just here to confirm that you can no longer magically walk through trees.

Same would have happened in HoN with those premises, just sayin.

[X4N]

Almost a couple weeks old, but dotacinema's top 10 reasons to be excited about dota 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIiDdphonA8

[Niclyk]

Have been playing DotA 2 for a couple of days now.
I dont really think that DotA is better than HoN, i think they are pretty even. I do however like the graphics and the pace of DotA 2 :)

[FORUMACCOUNT]

Same would have happened in HoN with those premises, just sayin.

I've walked through worse in HoN. Been playing since mega early beta, there has only been about 3-4 times where I couldn't spam click my way out of a spot.

[Nymity]

http://i.imgur.com/rue5j.png


Yup.

I'll update this thread with how it is, maybe some screenshots if the mods here let me.

[Stryker]

How did you know you got your beta key? Did Valve email you?

[Ainion]

And you posted this in the Heroes of Newerth General Discussion because?...
There's an off-topic forum for a reason.

[Nymity]

http://i.imgur.com/rue5j.png

Wtf mods.. please dont just up and delete legitimate threads without a reason. This thread isnt to brag or boast, its just to inform the community of details about a very long awaited game..

At least have the balls to give me a reason instead of just up and delete a thread.

ANYWAYS, if they let this stay here, ill post screenshots so you all can see.

[Ainion]

This isn't a LEGITIMATE THREAD. There's an OFFTOPIC SUB-FORUM. This sub-forum is GENERAL DISCUSSION for HEROES OF NEWERTH.
**** you're stupid

[Evermourn]

Just because I like seeing this thread every time I open up Off Topic

Oh, and the most recent patch to Dota2 added Queen of Pain (Wretched Hag), Skeleton King, and Broodmother

http://media.steampowered.com/apps/dota2/posts/qopskbm.jpg
http://blog.dota2.com/2011/10/misery-loves-company/

[Lethe]

A lot of these animations are so boss.

So happy when I saw QoP and Skele King ult animation.

[Swanker]

QoP is my new fav model.

[Save4Less]

Wanting to trade crappy King :amun: model for Skeleton King Model.

That would make King :amun: worth it's expensive price.

[Elit1stPrick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufBmyQZZpyg

hey I found this on youtube looking for dota 2 beta stuff, its pretty cool. A lot like that famous Basshunter song about Dota 1. what do you guys think ? band who wrote it seems to only write songs about anime and gaming :D

quote some of the lyrics:

'I'm all alone, I'm in my lane
As the servers go down again
/reconnect but there's no way:
I'd forgotten that it was patch day'

[Elit1stPrick]

u no liek?

[Kause]

A lot like that famous Basshunter song about Dota 1.


If by "a lot like" you mean pretty much blatant rip off then yes. They are pretty close.

[Elit1stPrick]

rofl it says 'Basshunter parody' in the title. urpoint?

[Repugnance]

beeetuh

[Deth]

Does he say he smokes weed while waiting in the song? I like this song.

[Flawless]

beeetuh

this.

[Smashe]

How do you get a dota2 beta key? Do people just give them out or are they really hard to find right now or what? I literally have no idea where to look :(

[Evermourn]

EG picked up a Dota 2 team.

http://myeg.net/team/eg-welcomes-new-dota-2-team/

[Swanker]

EG picked up a Dota 2 team.

http://myeg.net/team/eg-welcomes-new-dota-2-team/


Dumped HoN, picked up DotA2...not surprised.

[SlowKing]

Some beta keys
ZW92E-ESYN4-6K9XW-8HRGA-DMMVX
ZW92E-A7EGQ-7AI7F-SJTDI-4ZL9P
ZW92E-A7F4B-CVPSG-V6KW7-QW8FF
ZW92E-BF8G2-L8D4Q-7TD85-VYQSE

[skeloperch]

How do I redeem such keys?

[Loli]

Those are old key that had already been redeemed before he posted them.

[OneLazyNinja]

hey, im a bit of a noob when it comes to HoN.. i've played only recently and can only seem to use "noob heroes" such as magmus, accursed and electrician but i was wondering if DoTA2 is going to kill HoN?
will everyone just move to DoTA2? is there really that much of a difference besides graphics and a few different gameplay features(and the fact that hon has faster response time) ?

sorry if im asking noob questions but eh, im kinda worried :P not sure if i should get DoTA2 or just stay with HoN

[Granitt]

Play both...

[RazielXYZ]

Magmus, Accursed and Electrician aren't noob heroes, and no, HoN's not going to die.

[OneLazyNinja]

Magmus, Accursed and Electrician aren't noob heroes, and no, HoN's not going to die.
well Magmus maybe not, but when im Accursed people tell me im a dumb person for picking him because i only get maybe 2 kills and like 10 assists :(
but its good HoN wont die :D i think i'll wait for a DoTA2 review before i consider getting it

[Keris]

nope

Saw the gameplay, saw the graphic and It's quite decent actually.

and i think Swiftblade (original and alt skin) is more awesome than Juggernaut who spinning like a sissy.

[SnowBoard]

not this thread again -_-

[Suda]

nope

Saw the gameplay, saw the graphic and It's quite decent actually.

and i think Swiftblade (original and alt skin) is more awesome than blademaster who spinning like a sissy.

aheuhauheuahea still gona play it even if its gona be complete shitt even the dumpster 1500s can comp high tier dota vets WERE going to be GODS OVER DERE.

[AnTiFuZioN]

There will inevitably be some migration from HoN to DotA2, but I believe HoN's less-cartoonesque graphics and the direction S2 is taking it will separate the two. I have no illusions that DotA2 already has a very large following, including a portion of the HoN community, however anyone who thinks DotA2 is going to crush HoN has unrealistic expectations.

[Ripoff]

nope, staying right here my friend =)

[Suda]

There will inevitably be some migration from HoN to DotA2, but I believe HoN's less-cartoonesque graphics and the direction S2 is taking it will separate the two. I have no illusions that DotA2 already has a very large following, including a portion of the HoN community, however anyone who thinks DotA2 is going to crush HoN has unrealistic expectations.

Well 3.0 is there last chance i guess .... i mean even IF they set the bar higher then dota there going to need to sky rocket passed expectations in order to catch the eyes of the dota peeps i mean for one dota 2 is going to be pay to play anyway right and the ftp HON is goign to catch those poor dota vets with no credit card into there game.

[SpikeNL]

I think LoL and Dota 2 will have the biggest fight, because Dota 2 is more like LoL than HoN.

HoN is just badass and Dota 2 won't kill HoN, not in a million years. Dota 2 is just a slow game (just like LoL), so HoN ftw.

[Zo8]

I have played Dota2 and can honestly say that the actual in-game is more enjoyable in HoN. However, what pulls me towards Dota2 is the fact that it will have a much larger player base, which will result in shorter queue times, and Dota2 wont get DDoS'd and have downtime after every patch simply because it is Valve.

I'd say play both, atleast that is what I am going to do.

[Blueant]

i dont think HoN will die now, it was looking a bit touch and go for a while but with this player appreciation thing they have really took a hard look at the game and are making big changes so I reckon ppl will play Dota 2 as well, but wont quit HoN

[Subamaxi]

if its free i will try it out! (i would even try Blizzard-Dota out as well even after the blue-god, red-god's "kidnapping" heroes if its free!) love new games :P

[Thongetsu]

It will probably hurt the HoN fanbase by a lot. Since the move to F2P, a lot of patches seem to make you lag and/or disconnect.

[MisterLahey]

I will most likely play both, since I love some of the heroes over there, but have taken a liking to the heroes on this game aswell, either way, it's gonna be a glorious time for DotA-esqe games (screw LoL).

[N3k0]

Magmus acc elec noob heroes?! :oooo

[Tango]

blizzard dota looks siiiick

[ZabatieL]

I will play the 3 MOBA games: ''DOTA2'', ''HoN'' and ''LoL Dominion''(not the original map).

I think HoN will not die, maybe will reduce the numbers of players for 40,000 peak of players online per day at max. S2 is in the right way releasing his own heroes and not copying DOTA anymore.

[Lucky_You]

Blizzard dota = Dota2/hon/lol, well im blizzard fan and it will pwn them all for real.....

[OneLazyNinja]

im personally going to stay in HoN but i really want to play Blizzard DoTA(but of course they make it pay to play, well F2P with "limits") and ill try DoTA2 :) LoL aint my thing.

[MojoSpirit]

OP is a troll IMO. Calling elect, mag noob heroes. Wtf is a noob hero?
S2 is doing some good **** these days and with custom maps in the future it will pwn. All 3 will be around.
LoL for goth kids.

[Lucky_You]

blizzard dota will be not in sc2 at all, in blizzcon they said that blizzard dota will be different game and you will can download it when beta is open, for free! Blizzard will make awesome interfaces, client interfaces and stuff, balanced gameplay and heroes, and its blizzard guys, not the badly s2 or riot or the shooter company valve... BLIZZARD IS BLIZZARD!

[matroth1]

It's like saying Counter-Strike Source will kill Counterstrike 1.6. You can play both.
Will WoW, kill Runescape? No, you can play both. Will Xbox kill Wii? No you can play both. There are large enough players in both, to both survive and still flourish.

[Panic]

MOBA
Stop saying that. The genre is ARTS.

[Paradiddlar]

hey, im a bit of a noob when it comes to HoN.. i've played only recently and can only seem to use "noob heroes" such as magmus, accursed and electrician but i was wondering if DoTA2 is going to kill HoN?
will everyone just move to DoTA2? is there really that much of a difference besides graphics and a few different gameplay features(and the fact that hon has faster response time) ?

sorry if im asking noob questions but eh, im kinda worried :P not sure if i should get DoTA2 or just stay with HoN

I took my time to actually logg in to write this. THEIR NAME IS SAND KING AND ABADDON AND... turdhero.

Of course hon will die.

[NoNzeNz]

There will inevitably be some migration from HoN to DotA2, but I believe HoN's less-cartoonesque graphics and the direction S2 is taking it will separate the two. I have no illusions that DotA2 already has a very large following, including a portion of the HoN community, however anyone who thinks DotA2 is going to crush HoN has unrealistic expectations.

what he sayd

[Husofant]

Dunno.
If I could play the dota 2 beta I probably wouldnt forget about hon.
Nothing speaks against playing both and then I will see what brings more fun to the table.

[zOle`]

hey, im a bit of a noob when it comes to HoN.. i've played only recently and can only seem to use "noob heroes" such as magmus, accursed and electrician but i was wondering if DoTA2 is going to kill HoN?
will everyone just move to DoTA2? is there really that much of a difference besides graphics and a few different gameplay features(and the fact that hon has faster response time) ?

sorry if im asking noob questions but eh, im kinda worried :P not sure if i should get DoTA2 or just stay with HoN


1st Dota 2 sux

2nd HoN have better heroes + new all so - :mast::amun::mida::drun::rhap::mora::emer::myrm::d amp::mali::monk::gaun::alun::para::dead: e.t.c , so who will die ? I think Dota 2 will lose this battle with hard score :P

3rd stay at HoN be a man :D

[Uthere]

No ! Dota 2 without Warcraft engine+gameplay will Sucks, in other words Dota sucks without Blizzard!

[jonimake]

Maybe later I would switch. Valve failed so much after International and not really interested in the Beta where not much have changed. Still only few heroes, allpick etc.

But I quess the money will be there, and since S2 is constantly failing with the community and servers, majority of people will change to anything else. HoN would've been great if S2 wouldn't got so scared and make F2P and other ****.

[IsmaelVera]

It's the hipster effect. Noobs and all loser whiners leave. They see dota2 quality is bad for now. Then they spam hon forums, saying that they liked hon before anyone else.
:balp:

[Samich]

do you enjoy hon? if yes, play it then. When dota2 comes out/you get beta, try it, if you like it more, play that instead.

I dont get why people have to have this ridiculous this game vs that game competition of who can be the biggest marauding fan boy idiot.
Its not just the people who go wahhh dota2 im gonna leave either, theres just as many people going wahhh hon is way better im not gonna play dota2 even though i haven't tried it yet.

STOP ACTING LIKE NERGINS

[Eishun]

even if its that good
its not easy to kill a community, especially seeing dota 2 gonna goes buy 2 play

can we put aside lol? its not even on same genre
its like saying l4d is same as battlefield/cod because its fps

[Texnap]

has any1 of you played the beta yet? i did and dota 2 is really crap compared to hon...

but still its only a beta

[Quillraven]

yes it will kill hon but i will still stick to hon. watched a lot of dota2 streams lately and for me hon >>> dota2. i can just hope, that queue won't be 20+ mins that would be really annoying.

only chance that i see for s2: release custom map support to attract more players.

[Mirtazapine]

Dota 2 looks just like LoL with better water.
I'd say it will take much more than lol graphics to kill Hon.

[MojoSpirit]

yes it will kill hon but i will still stick to hon. watched a lot of dota2 streams lately and for me hon >>> dota2. i can just hope, that queue won't be 20+ mins that would be really annoying.

only chance that i see for s2: release custom map support to attract more players.

Leave now ps. We don't need this sort of attitude.

[oorichboyoo]

Honestly after playing hon i see no reason why it wont die besides the fact that its F2P and dota 2 has lol graphics which i think is better than hons

[SteamRiC]

there is nothing about dota 2 that would make me quit hon

[Girly]

Yes, DotA2 will kill HoN, eventually.
Yes, you should move to DotA2, as soon as it comes out.

[Cuddles]

Every game Valve made ( besides the two Portal games ) is horribly overrated.

[Devodka]

Except Valve didn't really make DotA2 gameplay wise.

They have Icefrog the Saviour, not to mention all they have to do is pretty much port DotA1 to a new engine.

[BaneElement]

Ok let me clarify something about blizzdota. It is an sc2 custom map so they are not investing much in it and they are making it even more of a joke then lol.

[ThePwner]

why the **** people talk about blizzard dota lol? its a joke, just a lame sc2 mod


also... if dota2 goas f2p, which is the ****ing wise desicion to make, than ill go to dota 2 ... but valve is too greedy

[Mummpitz]

dota 2 ??? seriously... we all will laugh in the future about it...

[PeelzMan]

1st Dota 2 sux

2nd HoN have better heroes + new all so - :mast::amun::mida::drun::rhap::mora::emer::myrm::d amp::mali::monk::gaun::alun::para::dead: e.t.c , so who will die ? I think Dota 2 will lose this battle with hard score :P

3rd stay at HoN be a man :D

You are truly a disgusting fanboy ;)

[Devonrex]

Blizzard dota is the true heir to the throne

[_BlackJack_]

yes :pand:

[Trolloc]

Myself and the group of friends I play with will try DOTA 2 as soon as we can get into the beta.

I can`t speak for them which game they will stick with, for me it comes down to the better game. I would give DOTA 2 at least a year into launch and determine which I prefer from there.

Already though, I will likely stick with DOTA 2 given I get every hero upon its release.

[BaneElement]

Truth is forums have a lot of dota fanboys and most in game people will stay on hon, it is a great game that will not die in a day. Ofc players online will drop but hey I remember when hon had average 20k players online I still had a lot of fun, and hon has never stopped growing. Beside I think hon has a nice wc3 feel to it.

[dohteM]

not really, players will go, players will come, you can play both of them tbh

[Scout_Rape]

I will play Dota 2, And pick Furion , Port to their fountain, RAGEQUIT

[Testingrani]

HoN 3.0 will save it?

[Agrostini]

Blizzard dota = Dota2/hon/lol, well im blizzard fan and it will pwn them all for real.....

blizzard dota does indeed look sic and inovating, so hard gonna play that!