The OFFICIAL DOTA2 Thread

[sakujo]

what you think is shadow demon, i think is riki
haven't seen shadow demon mentioned in patch notes yet but in some of the leaked notes, there are things alluding to riki
otherwise agree though

[Lethe]

reasonable (haven't seen these notes).

Yea I guess SA makes more sense. He just looks overly evil to me o.O

[ZabatieL]

Fraps was running in background, so I monitored FPS during game. During normal laning stages of game, I had 60-80 FPS. Remember I played on maximum settings. My comp has Intel’s E8400 dual core 3.0 GHz, 2 gigs of ddr-2 Ram (800 mhz), Nvidia’s 8800GT, Win XP and 21 inch monitor. I was afraid that FPS might fall drastically during huge team battles. After some time of playing, I finally got into one huge battle, where at one moment my ultimate was blasting heroes which enigma captured in it’s ultimate while mirana was starfalling and Crix was Ultimating the hell out of me. At that time, FPS went down to 35-40. So I was really surprised with optimization stuff guys at Valve did, although the game is still in beta phase. Oh yeah, 5th hero was Windrunner. Anyway, game went smoothly, (we won =) of course) and I was totally amazed with everything I experienced.

SAUCE: http://www.dota2portal.org/t1055-d2p-got-few-beta-keys

Conclusion: You will can run DOTA2 smoothly with a Dual Core processor at max graphics not like HoN(my configuration phenon x4 3,0ghz, radeon HD 4650,4 giga RAM and my FPS in battle drop to 17-23 in teamfights) who don't support multi cores.

[EternaLEnVy]

I'm looking for a DotA 2 Key, contact me if you can help.

[Lethe]

Fraps was running in background, so I monitored FPS during game. During normal laning stages of game, I had 60-80 FPS. Remember I played on maximum settings. My comp has Intel’s E8400 dual core 3.0 GHz, 2 gigs of ddr-2 Ram (800 mhz), Nvidia’s 8800GT, Win XP and 21 inch monitor. I was afraid that FPS might fall drastically during huge team battles. After some time of playing, I finally got into one huge battle, where at one moment my ultimate was blasting heroes which enigma captured in it’s ultimate while mirana was starfalling and Crix was Ultimating the hell out of me. At that time, FPS went down to 35-40. So I was really surprised with optimization stuff guys at Valve did, although the game is still in beta phase. Oh yeah, 5th hero was Windrunner. Anyway, game went smoothly, (we won =) of course) and I was totally amazed with everything I experienced.

SAUCE: http://www.dota2portal.org/t1055-d2p-got-few-beta-keys

Conclusion: You will can run DOTA2 smoothly with a Dual Core processor at max graphics not like HoN(my configuration phenon x4 3,0ghz, radeon HD 4650,4 giga RAM and my FPS in battle drop to 17-23 in teamfights) who don't support multi cores.

great news, thx for posting. My hardware is better then yours by a long shot so I should be ok.

S2's engine is so resource hungry :p

[Skyve]

guessing time.

Kunkka, Lycan, Husk, TA, BH, SD, BB, BS, Clinkz, Skele, Visage, Magus, Brood, THD, QoP, Naix

I think the second one looks more like Ursa than Lycan.

Also, the one after Shadow Demon is Juggernaut.

[Tzuridis]

Dota 2 delayed to 2012

type it in google see for yourself

[Tzuridis]

http://myona.com/2011/08/19/dota-2-release-date/


http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/61775/Dota-2-Release-Delayed-Until-2012-Closed-Beta-In-2011

[Lethe]

I think the second one looks more like Ursa than Lycan.

Also, the one after Shadow Demon is Juggernaut.

Ure right about the juggernaut, dunno how I forgot seeing as I've seen the pic before.

Werewolf vs. Monstrous flesh-ripping bear I dunno lol.

[Acco]

not sure if its been posted but whatever http://www.youtube.com/user/Dota2sounds

[Loli]

some DotA 2 placeholder art from datamining.

http://www.dota2.cyborgmatt.com/spellicons/

[Testingrani]

Interesting sound files:

Dota 2 Sounds (http://dota2sounds.blogspot.com/)

[Hax]

some DotA 2 placeholder art from datamining.

http://www.dota2.cyborgmatt.com/spellicons/

Serious lol at the placeholders.

[Loli]

Every hero in Dota 2 has "Shitty Wizard" as a sound clip.

lolwut

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy1WJxrmxfk

[Evermourn]

Every hero in Dota 2 has "Shitty Wizard" as a sound clip.

lolwut

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy1WJxrmxfk

Dear God, what does it mean?! Is it some kind of Valve joke from their other games?

Also Juggernaut says: "My blade is swifter" :swif:

Also x2, Valve servers got data mined: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266898

[Loli]

Dota 2 client has been data mined quite a bit;

Some quick interesting bits.

Gametypes:
All Pick
Single Draft
Captain's Draft
All Random
Random Draft
Captain's Mode
Death Mode
Easy Mode

You can apply to be a mentor to help new players.
"adopt a newb, answer a question"

You can write guides.
"write a hero guide, rate a guide"

Tracked between games are two things, Karma and ELO.
One being the rating of manners, the other of skill level.

Custom models: (assuming cash shop)
Sheep Currier
Polymorphic Pasteurization
A particularly smelly shape change designed by a Dwarven spellsmith with a taste for Orcish Bleu.
When equipped, this item replaces your hex animal with a piece of cheese.

Skill detection:
New - You have a limited understanding of games like Dota. In your games players will be restricted to playing only those heroes that are easiest to understand, and levels will be auto-balanced.
Familiar - You have a good idea how Dota works - you might be a little rusty but are ready to jump in.
Experienced - You play games like Dota regularly and don’t need any instruction. Selecting this will make you less likely to be in hero restricted games with auto-balancing.

Servers:
North America - US West, US East
South America -
Europe - Europe
China -Singapore, Shanghai, Beijing

Lore:
Alchemist: "Alchemist is named Al and is a chemist."

First sign of hats in Dota 2:
http://i.imgur.com/uNqOC.png

[NagiSoi]

Is it me or enigma sounds like dukem nukem xD

[ZabatieL]

http://www.dota2.cyborgmatt.com/DotA2_Models.jpg
uhn , I am I'm smelling F2P model.

[Evermourn]

yes, reddit is fun


uhn , I am I'm smelling F2P model.

Because TF2 and HoN never had ingame shops before going F2P?

[Tyrando]

i think the US players are gonna fly over the moon when they all realise that NA is seperated from BR

interested in this Karma system tho.. players rating other players cant say im very positive about the idea with the DotA/etc communities.

[sakujo]

i think the US players are gonna fly over the moon when they all realise that NA is seperated from BR

interested in this Karma system tho.. players rating other players cant say im very positive about the idea with the DotA/etc communities.

you'll get karma for coaching, answering questions or writing guides for the community.

you give karma by being coached, asking questions and rating guides.

no idea what loli is talking about. elo and karma will be listed on your profile page, but as far as the data mining has shown karma will have nothing to do with matchmaking. he might know something i don't, of course.

[sakujo]

more incompletes..
http://dota2old.sites.djangoeurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/more2t.png

[Loli]

I'm loving some of these portraits.
Bottom left looks BA.

[Broodje]

BA baracus?

[tumtum100]

Enjoy video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS86UKkUxsM
Dota 2 client

[Skyve]

more incompletes..
http://dota2old.sites.djangoeurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/more2t.png

Last line would be Omniknight, Moon Rider and Tinker, although Tinker already had his model finished, so maybe it's not him.

[_Wolf_]

beta leak


Here ya go. The leaked beta build is in a torrent form now. I've had it before it was torrented, you cant do anything with client as you dont have the server.dll. Cant make a match let alone load a map.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRPTCcOMUHw&feature=player_embedded

[sakujo]

http://dota2old.sites.djangoeurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/more2t.png

bat rider, bounty hunter, huskar, dirge, clinkz, queen of pain, omniknight, moon rider, gyrocopter

don't ask me why gyrocopter is on a motorcycle because i don't know

_tard_ please don't play dota 2

[Talesavo]

I think those are mechanical aileron controls, like you'd see in turn-of-the-century style aeroplane prototypes. Omniknight looks SICK, ****IN' NASTY.

[SergeantCake]

human chronos = omniknight lol

[Deado]

http://i.imgur.com/ocz9V.jpg

[SergeantCake]

nobody gets a beta key!

[SergeantCake]

http://i52.tinypic.com/ic1ira.png

[Evermourn]

Just in case you guys actually haven't seen this yet...

Dota2 Beta Key Contest (http://www.playdota.com/forums/540954/win-your-own-dota-2-beta-key/)

[Korrigan]

Dota 2 might be Free 2 Play (according to some beta "leaks"). Help put a stop to this madness.

[Tensei]

Dota 2 might be Free 2 Play (according to some beta "leaks"). Help put a stop to this madness: http://www.facebook.com/groups/118523798250669/

This is so dumb. None of the 'problems' listed (Server stability, EA heroes, F2P hero pool) are inherent to an F2P model, but only apply to HoN. For all you know, Dota 2 could be completely F2P where the only things you buy with money are cosmetic enhancements.

HoN wasn't intended to be F2P from the start but had to make the switch to remain competitive with LoL, which brought along its own problems. The servers apparently weren't prepared to accomodate the influx of new players, which is most likely why you have the current server problems.

Dota 2 Beta will have a 100k beta testers during closed beta, and at least five times that when it goes open beta, so I'm sure they will be able to do plenty of stress tests, not to mention that you will likely be able to host a private Dota 2 server, as is possible to do with most other Valve games.

An F2P model will open the game up to millions of players throughout Asia and make it a hit in internet cafes etc. I also strongly doubt that Valve would use an F2P model where you have to purchase heroes because it wouldn't be conducive to making Dota 2 into the # 1 eSport like they want it to be.

[Broodje]

if it's f2p i will play it, but I have better things on my head lately.

[Korrigan]

This is so dumb. None of the 'problems' listed (Server stability, EA heroes, F2P hero pool) are inherent to an F2P model, but only apply to HoN.
Yeah you're right... smurfing is not a problem inherent to an F2P model. OR IS IT?

[Soul`Inferno]

lol i thought there was a sticky thread who told not to talk about dota2 am i right!? :-)

[Broodje]

Everywhere else, except in OT and this thread you talk about HoN, here you talk about Dota2 :>

[Norroar]

Yeah you're right... smurfing is not a problem inherent to an F2P model. OR IS IT?

>track ip on account creation
>disable repeats
>????
>people now have to hassle with vpn and ****
>far less smurfs

wooooooow. f2p just fixt! dayum nature, u scurry.
I don't see any problems, though. DotA was free, and we survived. Or well ... some of us did.



Is it me or enigma sounds like dukem nukem xD
If you check my other thread regarding Half-Life etc., you'll see that it has been discovered that Jon St. John (Duke Nukem) actually voices Enigma -- so you were right! Nagi hearing +3. He also voices three other heroes, which are Kunkka, Axe and Bloodseeker :3 <333

[ZabatieL]

Dota 2 might be Free 2 Play (according to some beta "leaks"). Help put a stop to this madness: http://www.facebook.com/groups/118523798250669/

Why?


1- F2P is the best business model for MOBA genre(LoL already proved this) and the most part of DOTA players are chineses and pinoys they will never have 50 bucks to bought the game.


2- The competitors(LoL and HoN) are FreeToPlay what will give them an advantage if DOTA2 is PaytoPlay .


The best option for a competitive game like DOTA2, is the F2P model with a option for buy ''legacy stats'' for 100 U$ ( reasonable price for a F2P model), but if not happen I will spend 200 or 300 U$ for bought all the heroes with no problem if necessary.

[Korrigan]

>track ip on account creation
>disable repeats
>????
>people now have to hassle with vpn and ****
>far less smurfs
Never going to happen.

[SergeantCake]

dota 2 isnt f2p

[ZabatieL]

Massive F2P smurf is not a problem if they have a good smurf system like LoL when you have to play 300 games to play the ''real matchmaking'', auto detect skill level by stats(example 90% Win 3 KD )and with the F2P model you will always have to play with our main account to unlock more heroes.

Unlike HoN in that S2 want you to smurf for selling more sub accounts and don't have any decent anti-smurf protection.

[Korrigan]

Massive F2P smurf is not a problem if they have a good smurf system like LoL when you have to play 300 games to play the ''real matchmaking'', auto detect skill level by stats(example 90% Win 3 KD )and with the F2P model you will always have to play with our main account to unlock more heroes.

Unlike HoN in that S2 want you to smurf for selling more sub accounts and don't have any decent anti-smurf protection.

LoL has that? Bye bye HoN.

[Hat_Truck]

LoL has that? Bye bye HoN.
Heh, sorry bud but LoL has problems of its own.

I'd take smurfs anyday over the problems LoL lets go.

In LoL they will never permanently ban you for anything; their money is too important to them. This means that their "leaver protection system", AT MOST, will temp ban you for a couple days, and this is only after dozens of offenses. Leavers in HoN are a pretty rare thing because of the % based system, but the system in LoL makes it so that they don't give a sh*t.

I just encountered a guy whose name was "Feedingto30", who literally told us all he was doing to level 30 was feeding the enemy team. He died 32 times in our game with 0 kills and 0 assists, and though he had probably been in over 50 games already, he still hadn't been banned.

Smurfs are way better than the kind of sh*t you have to put up with in LoL.

[Hat_Truck]

Why?


1- F2P is the best business model for MOBA genre(LoL already proved this) and the most part of DOTA players are chineses and pinoys they will never have 50 bucks to bought the game.


2- The competitors(LoL and HoN) are FreeToPlay what will give them an advantage if DOTA2 is PaytoPlay .


The best option for a competitive game like DOTA2, is the F2P model with a option for buy ''legacy stats'' for 100 U$ ( reasonable price for a F2P model), but if not happen I will spend 200 or 300 U$ for bought all the heroes with no problem if necessary.

Because, in my opinion, Free-to-Play has ruined the fairness and quality of HoN and LoL.

In any competitive game, everybody needs to start out on equal footing. You wouldn't play Chess if one guy had 2 Queens or Tennis if one person always got to serve.

The very nature of the ARTS Genre depends on everybody starting out fairly. Free-to-Play thrives off of giving people power who have paid or played more. While it doesn't necessarily have to work like this in theory, we've seen 2 companies who, after switching to this model, are too greedy to make it otherwise.

I really don't care what's in the best interest of Valve financially, because I'm the player. TF2 is not DotA 2. TF2 is a game for casuals, DotA 2 is a game primarily made for competitive play. If there is a "Legacy Status", I guess I would be alright with that, but $100 or more? That's outrageous. Why should I have to pay more than $50 for a carbon copy of a game that already exists, with minor improvements in several areas? This is why HoN only costs $30, because they aren't even creating a new game, they're just copying an old one; most of the work is already done for them. I think $50 is cutting it, but I sure as hell would never pay $100 to be on even footing, that's freaking outrageous.

[Korrigan]

In LoL they will never permanently ban you for anything; their money is too important to them. This means that their "leaver protection system", AT MOST, will temp ban you for a couple days, and this is only after dozens of offenses. Leavers in HoN are a pretty rare thing because of the % based system, but the system in LoL makes it so that they don't give a sh*t.
Leavers are rare? I deal with leavers every (?) day and what about all the other kinds of abuse in HoN? Flaming is the only communication most know, and often they will just go afk or farm while the team fights 4v5 until it's over.

[Talesavo]

I'd pay $ 200 just to get into beta, 100 is nothing.

[Distort3d]

http://signup.leagueoflegends.com/?ref=4c478d8fdc06e
This is better than dota2

[sakujo]

if you think never playing on fair grounds is better then yes i agree

[ZeeQ]

http://signup.leagueoflegends.com/?ref=4c478d8fdc06e
This is better than dota2


http://troll.me/images/futurama-fry/not-sure-if-i-should-laugh-or-cry-thumb.jpg

[ZabatieL]

Some good info about the leak client of yesterday.

http://nogamenotalk.com/2011/09/20/dota-2-client-leak-reveals-new-heroes-regional-matchmaking-hints-at-custom-item-shop/

[Tech09]

I want a DOTA 2 BETA KEY PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LonelyQueen]

I want a beta key!!!

[Terukio]

Idk if we'll actually get one, but I'd like a beta key also.

[Hat_Truck]

*facepalm* to all the people asking for beta keys.

[Loli]

*facepalm* to all the people asking for beta keys.

this

[SergeantCake]

*facepalm* to all the people asking for beta keys.

ye they wont get any lol

[tumtum100]

*facepalm* to all the people asking for beta keys.


sdagassadfdgasdg

[NailEn]

C-c-c-combo breaker

[Evermourn]

http://www.playdota.com/forums/541248/dota-2-beta-key-u-photo-contest-submission-thread/

http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/news/16972-dota-talk-beta-key-giveaway

http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/news/16973-last-hit-your-way-to-a-dota-2-beta-key

http://gosugamers.net/dota/news/16967-win-a-dota-2-beta-key

Now stop begging for beta keys

[WetMistress]

http://www.playdota.com/forums/541248/dota-2-beta-key-u-photo-contest-submission-thread/

http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/news/16972-dota-talk-beta-key-giveaway

http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/news/16973-last-hit-your-way-to-a-dota-2-beta-key

http://gosugamers.net/dota/news/16967-win-a-dota-2-beta-key

Now stop begging for beta keys

lol that pic contest was kinda fun. anyone else submit a picture? mine is on page 8.

[Hat_Truck]

I'm going to submit one near the end that I expect to win the tournament. I ended spending $60 dollars on it and it's gonna be bad ass ;p

[JellySmelly]

lol that pic contest was kinda fun. anyone else submit a picture? mine is on page 8.
Also you'll prolly get dq'ed as rules state clearly no image editing except for minor lighting / tune / contrast etc


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http://content23-foto.inbox.lv/albums172906891/simsons22/wall/IMG-0318.sized.jpg

Pretty much same pic but with some part of me in it. :P Also friggin **** melted so fast

[Ryuusan]

Dota2 NDA lifted.
http://blog.dota2.com/


I Said Good Day Sir!
September 23, 2011 - IceFrog
We’ve been a bit quiet lately. As always, we learn a lot whenever we put something out and get feedback from you all. Showing Dota 2 to the world at The International gave us a lot of feedback to chew through, and the many recent forum threads talking about the information leaking out of the beta has added to the pile. After a bunch of thinking, we’ve decided to change our plans a little.

Our original plan was to spend the next year or so in beta, adding new features and slowly growing the number of heroes until we reached a level of parity with Dota 1, at which point we’d release Dota 2 to the world. But the feedback we’re seeing everywhere is that people just want to play it, even though there’s still a ton of heroes yet to be implemented. We’ve also seen that the folks who are already in the beta are chomping at the bit to show everyone else some of the fun games they’ve had. So we decided our original plan was dumb.

Welcome to the new plan: We’re going to take the current version of Dota 2, which has The International set of heroes, and get it out there as fast as we can. We’ve still got some work to do in a couple of areas, so we’ll be keeping it invite-only for a (hopefully short) period of time. But there’ll be no restrictions on what players can do with it – they can release screenshots, make movies, shoutcast matches, write guides, publicly make fun of our HUD, or anything else their hearts desire. While they do that, we’ll be shipping regular updates with more heroes, new features we’ve been working on, and improvements on the existing content as we get more and more feedback.

What does this mean for you? It means it’s even more important that you get on the list that we’ll be inviting from. If you’re talented, you could take a shot at winning an invite in the GosuGamers competition or the Playdota contest. Once you’ve got your hands on the game, feel free to talk about it however you’d like – we’re excited to see what you’ll produce.

In the meantime, we’re going to be ratcheting this blog up a little too, so you can expect some more regular posting from us.

[Loli]

zomfg

[Testingrani]

For those not in the beta, you can listen to the full Dota 2 songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11TcyUjYQ7k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUSTuiSEKQk

[Aray]

lovin the down to earth good humored blog posts

[dobu]

so you can buy half the game and wait a year until it's completed o.O

[Tensei]

so you can buy half the game and wait a year until it's completed o.O

Yeah, not like I did the same with HoN or anything.

[Z3ROCOOL22]

Some beta tester upload the SERVER.DLL come on or not balls =)

[FaceMelter00]

Yeah, not like I did the same with HoN or anything. Yes and to be honest that was not even halfway finished or polished after the official release date.

The client and the servers are still both not very polished and neither stable.

[Hat_Truck]

Yes and to be honest that was not even halfway finished or polished after the official release date.
The client and the servers are both not very polished and neither stable.
Also, where's our SDK Editor?

[FaceMelter00]

Also, where's our SDK Editor? Lol i did not even think about that they once promised that when saying the game was unfinished.

Well you could say content wise it was kind of finished or enough at the release date.

I was rather referring to the really unstable and unpolished client.

Plus lots of generall bugs and exploits were still in the game after release.

And well i suppose i can be glad that i use the windows client and not the mac or the linux one, because i heard they are more than horrible.

[SleepyGoat]

And well i suppose i can be glad that i use the windows client and not the mac or the linux one, because i heard they are more than horrible.
You heard wrong.
Mac client had some issues, only recently. And that's all.

[Hat_Truck]

Heh, well at least S2 supports Mac and Linux. Riot just shut down the support for their Mac client indefinitely, and you know they'll never support Linux either.

[Talesavo]

You definitely gotta get used to how it handles, after playing a solid year of HoN, although I acclimated well to it after a few minutes. Bumping up the screen scroll is ESSENTIAL.

My first game back to my lovely:

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/576683235338898576/8109AA9A97EB643242D14B25D52A57942F3106F8/

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/576683235338904244/2FA542C77FF0C0587BD83C1334A47DC1A1DAFE9C/

[YawningAngel]

Now I just need to get into the beta.

[Loli]

Never gonna happen YA.

NEVER

[SergeantCake]

Now I just need to get into the beta.

too bad its me http://www.picresize.com/images/rsz_earthshaker.png

[Z3ROCOOL22]

You definitely gotta get used to how it handles, after playing a solid year of HoN, although I acclimated well to it after a few minutes. Bumping up the screen scroll is ESSENTIAL.

My first game back to my lovely:

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/576683235338898576/8109AA9A97EB643242D14B25D52A57942F3106F8/

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/576683235338904244/2FA542C77FF0C0587BD83C1334A47DC1A1DAFE9C/

Now just upload the SERVER.DLL and send me the link. ty.

[Skyve]

H4nn1 is streaming DotA2 btw.

http://de.twitch.tv/h4nn1/

[Techies]

Can you do a camera comparison screenshot between HoN and DOTA2? Wanna see if they really did increase the field of view. Or give your opinion on that, does it feel cramped like HoN?

[Talesavo]

Can you do a camera comparison screenshot between HoN and DOTA2? Wanna see if they really did increase the field of view. Or give your opinion on that, does it feel cramped like HoN?


They did, you get much more screen real-estate. I'd make a comparison but I un-installed HoN.

[Norroar]

Can you do a camera comparison screenshot between HoN and DOTA2? Wanna see if they really did increase the field of view. Or give your opinion on that, does it feel cramped like HoN?

Uhh ... have you played DotA?

Heroes of Newerth's screen is about 15-25% bigger than the original. It is not cramped, at all. :corr:

[broceratopZ]

For those of you that hung out with us for our 8+ hours of DotA 2 streaming and fun (if not close) battles with tobi you already know, but we are doing a giveaway for one beta key pulled randomly from our twitch.tv followers and youtube subscribers. This means that if you have followed and subscribed you will have TWO chances to win. The chances were better if you were around for the first giveaway last night, but hey, it's still a chance!

Subscribe to youtube at: http://glhfcasting.com/youtube

Follow on twitch at: http://www.twitch.tv/teamglhf

Even if you don't get in, you will have a chance to watch a whole bunch of DotA 2 in the coming weeks. We will also be working with GameReplays and others to find even more ways to get some keys out to the community.

[JellySmelly]

For those of you that hung out with us for our 8+ hours of DotA 2 streaming and fun (if not close) battles with tobi you already know, but we are doing a giveaway for one beta key pulled randomly from our twitch.tv followers and youtube subscribers. This means that if you have followed and subscribed you will have TWO chances to win. The chances were better if you were around for the first giveaway last night, but hey, it's still a chance!

Subscribe to youtube at: http://glhfcasting.com/youtube

Follow on twitch at: http://www.twitch.tv/teamglhf

Even if you don't get in, you will have a chance to watch a whole bunch of DotA 2 in the coming weeks. We will also be working with GameReplays and others to find even more ways to get some keys out to the community.

Good luck with viewers man , suscribed yesterday already :)

[Grim]

dammit I need a damn key, I've been checking Dota 2 sites since January 2011, I've been one of the first who applied for Steam's Dota 2 Beta, I added Dota 2 to my wish list since August 3rd, I've participated in all but that techies last hit event, and I mean all of those stupid events, I've pictured my self with a god damned rifle and a knife for that damn key, I've stopped playing this... sorry excuse for a game.
and I've had enough!
better let out my anger here instead of PD to avoid being raged at and maybe lower my chance to get that ****ing key.
BF3 open beta better be good.
Cuz I don't see any chance winning a key out of a damned u-photo contest or a random draft, The higher I always freaking expect the harder I get punched in the face when my expectations FAILS.

[Loli]

I added it August 2nd.
You are too slow Grim.

Also BF3 Beta Tuesday WOO!

[ZabatieL]

I'm already participating in three contests, hehe, but all for raffle.
1 gosu, 1 glhf and 1 br site.

[Techies]

Uhh ... have you played DotA?

Heroes of Newerth's screen is about 15-25% bigger than the original. It is not cramped, at all. :corr:

Did comparison between leaked DOTA2, DotA, HoN.

HoN had about 10% increase width, -10% Height. DOTA2 had +-40% increase.

Huge difference.

[Grim]

I added it August 2nd.
You are too slow Grim.

Also BF3 Beta Tuesday WOO!

Well, Too bad adding it to wish list and signing up for Steam's beta was most likely a waste of time, Instead of handing keys to some sites they should USE the signups THEY set up on their site and send the damn keys.
As for BF, I haven't pre ordered BF3 since I'm still not sure on which system I should purchase it for, That's why I'm waiting for the beta to check it out on the PS3.
and even if I wanted to, The offer ends tomorrow, I'm broke and my credit card is empty.
****ing great week.


edit: wth I stole my friend's credit card and gonna pay him back later, I want a beta this week and I'm ****ing getting one.

[ILLBEBACH]

good game.

[JellySmelly]

dammit I need a damn key, I've been checking Dota 2 sites since January 2011, I've been one of the first who applied for Steam's Dota 2 Beta, I added Dota 2 to my wish list since August 3rd, I've participated in all but that techies last hit event, and I mean all of those stupid events, I've pictured my self with a god damned rifle and a knife for that damn key, I've stopped playing this... sorry excuse for a game.
and I've had enough!
better let out my anger here instead of PD to avoid being raged at and maybe lower my chance to get that ****ing key.
BF3 open beta better be good.
Cuz I don't see any chance winning a key out of a damned u-photo contest or a random draft, The higher I always freaking expect the harder I get punched in the face when my expectations FAILS.


y0 dawg i hurd no ones wants your HoN legacy account for Dota2 key

[Jonathan]

Did comparison between leaked DOTA2, DotA, HoN.

HoN had about 10% increase width, -10% Height. DOTA2 had +-40% increase.

Huge difference.
I hate people who spew **** out like this

[Grim]

y0 dawg i hurd no ones wants your HoN legacy account for Dota2 key

Shut the hell up.

[Dyzfunkshun]

dammit I need a damn key, I've been checking Dota 2 sites since January 2011, I've been one of the first who applied for Steam's Dota 2 Beta, I added Dota 2 to my wish list since August 3rd, I've participated in all but that techies last hit event, and I mean all of those stupid events, I've pictured my self with a god damned rifle and a knife for that damn key, I've stopped playing this... sorry excuse for a game.
and I've had enough!
better let out my anger here instead of PD to avoid being raged at and maybe lower my chance to get that ****ing key.
BF3 open beta better be good.
Cuz I don't see any chance winning a key out of a damned u-photo contest or a random draft, The higher I always freaking expect the harder I get punched in the face when my expectations FAILS.
Dude, go outside...
I'm not trying to be insulting, but if getting into beta's for xxx game is that important to you, I may suggest re-evaluating your priorities in life. I want to play DotA2 as much as anyone, but it really isn't that big a deal.

[Broodje]

I already killed 1 dog and ate 2 kittens just for a key...

[Skyve]

I already killed 1 dog and ate 2 kittens just for a key...

I've got 4 kittens if you want to eat those too. And a cat.

And a dog, but that one won't be killed or eaten.

[Broodje]

Any breed?

[Skyve]

It's basically a Maine-Coone, and her 4 young ones are... well, I don't know what mix it is.

looks a bit like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/BlacktabbyMaine_Coon.JPG

And my dog is a black lab/bernese mountain dog mix, and looks like that:

http://www.abload.de/img/img_359717udf.jpg

[Grim]

Dude, go outside...
I'm not trying to be insulting, but if getting into beta's for xxx game is that important to you, I may suggest re-evaluating your priorities in life. I want to play DotA2 as much as anyone, but it really isn't that big a deal.

I work 9 hours a day to enjoy playing awesome games on a superior PC.
I go out enough.
You're right tho, need to set my priorities straight, I got PS2 games lying around and I still haven't finished them, and instead I'm waiting for yet to release games.
my bad my bad.

[Nani`]

Well, Too bad adding it to wish list and signing up for Steam's beta was most likely a waste of time, Instead of handing keys to some sites they should USE the signups THEY set up on their site and send the damn keys.
As for BF, I haven't pre ordered BF3 since I'm still not sure on which system I should purchase it for, That's why I'm waiting for the beta to check it out on the PS3.
and even if I wanted to, The offer ends tomorrow, I'm broke and my credit card is empty.
****ing great week.


edit: wth I stole my friend's credit card and gonna pay him back later, I want a beta this week and I'm ****ing getting one.
Anybody mind explaining why in the name of every god and mother there is on this planet, you would even so much as consider thinking about maybe playing a FPS on a console if someone were to put a gun to your head/ girlfriend's head/w.e ?

[Grim]

Anybody mind explaining why in the name of every god and mother there is on this planet, you would even so much as consider thinking about maybe playing a FPS on a console if someone were to put a gun to your head/ girlfriend's head/w.e ?

Huge screen and surround speakers for me.
Better than upgrading PC every year for most of people out there.

you get used to the controller in no time, So it's nothing really.

[Yoekix]

Anybody mind explaining why in the name of every god and mother there is on this planet, you would even so much as consider thinking about maybe playing a FPS on a console if someone were to put a gun to your head/ girlfriend's head/w.e ?

It works on a console quite well, the only thing is that you are a bit slower. The enemies are also slower.

i'm used to this as i play both console and pc shooters. besides my favorite shooter is a console version( Timesplitters 3)

[Hat_Truck]

Console is cheaper, easier to setup, less hassle with upgrading, many less technical problems (unless you buy an XBOX 360), just plug in and play. I think that's the main draw for most people. Convenience and accessibility are just as important as performance.

I've always been a computer guy personally, but I can't fault people for not wanting to go through all the hassle of dealing with one for gaming when there are easier alternatives.

[Steffen]

I played a lot of halo3 with mates on splitscreen about 2/3 years,
there is one things which annoys the FCK outta me when i am gaming fps with a controller,
I can see myself being goddamn bad.
The game is so slow, you can literally have either have precision OR being able to turn around fast.

That is different for a MLG PRO I guess, but a pro fps pc gamer will wipe the floor of an console pc every day in every game.
Even if they leave that stupid console-always-autoaim in.

[qazupk]

Will trade an TL invite for a dota2 invite :x I'll do anything lol :D

[Dany`]

http://s7.directupload.net/images/110926/88q6bnt5.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

my pic for the u-photo contest.

would like to get some opinions^^

[JellySmelly]

Too bad but your gonna dq'ed as you cant even read the rules.

[Dany`]

Too bad but your gonna dq'ed as you cant even read the rules.

i did read em, whats wrong? :<

i did read again, and i can't see any violations, honestly

edit: pic made by me with my weak cell phone cam while preparations

http://s1.directupload.net/images/110926/temp/9z97t4zd.jpg (http://s1.directupload.net/file/d/2659/9z97t4zd_jpg.htm)

[JellySmelly]

i did read em, whats wrong? :<

i did read again, and i can't see any violations, honestly

There is pretty much no-image editing allowed in PD contest only minimal tune/contrast/brightness.
Also that knife/hand feels kind of unreal but thats just me

[Dany`]

There is pretty much no-image editing allowed in PD contest only minimal tune/contrast/brightness.

yeah i know?! what exactly is edited except the contrast and brightness?

i'm pretty much scared now mate:madm:

[Broodje]

It's basically a Maine-Coone, and her 4 young ones are... well, I don't know what mix it is.

looks a bit like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/BlacktabbyMaine_Coon.JPG

And my dog is a black lab/bernese mountain dog mix, and looks like that:

http://www.abload.de/img/img_359717udf.jpg

Cats are way too pretty to eat. I could kill the dog tho.

[Lethe]

I ****ing love you Broodje

[Broodje]

<3<3

[Maximo]

Watch Merlini, Fear, and Bulba in DotA 2!
http://www.justin.tv/esportsgamingnetwork

[JellySmelly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejYL3LbQMXw&feature=player_embedded

Enjoy guise have no key so made this due to boredom we're all in same boat!

[Maximo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejYL3LbQMXw&feature=player_embedded

Enjoy guise have no key so made this due to boredom we're all in same boat!

cool, another stream is going on with Fear here
http://www.justin.tv/esportsgamingnetwork

[Eignad]

Does anyone know if they are sending out keys all the time or just now and then?

Maybe someone in the beta can tell us if the number of players are rising?

[MrSnowman]

I have some worries about Dota 2..
First of all you can't select another creep/hero without deselecting your own hero. This was in Dota1 due to engine limitations, clearly.

Secondly looking at the game, it looks to be a STRAIGHT port (not "straight port" like HoN). It feels like Valve is just gonna live off their name on this one.. And let the pro's balance it for them, no innovation beyond the new engine features. Which are all very present in HoN (excluding heartbeatmonotoring)

Hopefully this won't really be the case when it comes to the released game. Valve usually tend to their games somewhat.

[SoulCrusher]

Things in Dota2 that HoN should have had from the start:

-Rightclicking Runes bottles them when you have a bottle.
-Gold-Graph over the whole game instead of only at the moment
-Watching ongoing games
-Recipes autocompleting, even when you got no free inventory slots and the courier arrives with 3 items you need to complete a recipe.

[SleepyGoat]

Things in Dota2 that HoN should have had from the start:

-Rightclicking Runes bottles them when you have a bottle. +-0
-Gold-Graph over the whole game instead of only at the moment +1
-Watching ongoing games +1111111
-Recipes autocompleting, even when you got no free inventory slots and the courier arrives with 3 items you need to complete a recipe. +-0
my take

[LOLDSN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejYL3LbQMXw&feature=player_embedded

Enjoy guise have no key so made this due to boredom we're all in same boat!


Gj you stole my original video , rofl really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq_3OBQh_dM

Ill claim the copyright

[Appeexx]

Anyone still giving away keys? I might even donate a nice sum to you via paypal if you email me one!

Trithemius.David@gmail.com

[iruul]

Things in Dota2 that HoN should have had from the start:

-Rightclicking Runes bottles them when you have a bottle.
-Gold-Graph over the whole game instead of only at the moment
-Watching ongoing games -1111111111
-Recipes autocompleting, even when you got no free inventory slots and the courier arrives with 3 items you need to complete a recipe.
How will they prevent ghosting, wtf.

[Yukki]

How will they prevent ghosting, wtf.
The games are obviously delayed for the spectators.

[Broodje]

Or you can just see what the person sees you're spectating. With some delay still. The spectator can see certain things that the player can't.

[YawningAngel]

Some casts from me coming out soon, got my shizz in gear.

[Broodje]

Casts <3333 PM me pl0x, dat sexy voice.

[Norroar]

Angel, you better give me a shoutout, or I will not watch it!

[Excremento]

http://troll.me/images/ptsd-clarinet-boy/they-told-me-i-couldnt-have-a-dota2-beta-key-so-i-stayed-in-hon.jpg

[Maximo]

http://www.twitch.tv/esportsgamingnetwork

Demon, Fogged, and other American pros playing :D

[MonkeyBurn]

http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=W3ppPqw1-Gc&start1=233&video2=v7DST8mI3RM&start2=174&authorName=rule+34

I think this is what everyone is thinking.

[Legit`]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejYL3LbQMXw&feature=player_embedded

Enjoy guise have no key so made this due to boredom we're all in same boat!

Sorry bud, you didn't make that video.

[YawningAngel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peGSZ-sIeMM

enjoy

[Evermourn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peGSZ-sIeMM

enjoy

+1

Dendi's Carry-ES was epic.

[SoulCrusher]

So. I heard Doom Bringer is like Sand Wraith.

[YawningAngel]

They're both tanky carries that build vanguard and a mock, and I was trying to help people who weren't familiar with it.

[SoulCrusher]

One is a hero with terrible early and midgame.

The other one is a hero with great laning and really strong midgame, that gets weaker late.

[DarkSuo]

Sand is a copy of mercurial.

[YawningAngel]

I am aware of this.

[Tyrando]

dat voice Angel

Mind=Blown
Pants=Wet

[Techies]

Tinker is a better thunderbringer, I lolled.

[sakujo]

Some casts from me coming out soon, got my shizz in gear.

please stop trying to turn dota 2 into heroes of newerth. your posts on the beta forum are sickening to say the least. mana bars? r0fl

also: 'i want control in AI camera mode for shoutcasting'???

why would you not use free camera for shoutcasting?

[YawningAngel]

You sound mad. Mana bars are genuinely useful to have, and I want to use AI camera mode because AI camera mode is less likely to miss things than I am. If you find the implementation of (good) features from HoN (which is currently a better game, by the way) sickening, then DoTA2 is never going to improve. The fact is that S2 aren't stupid and most of the changes in HoN were made for a reason.

[Skyve]

please stop trying to turn dota 2 into heroes of newerth. your posts on the beta forum are sickening to say the least. mana bars? r0flWhat's wrong with manabars? Turning something that is available anyways, but at the moment rather uncomfortable to obtain into something practical isn't really a bad thing.

Another thing would be to prevent players from deselecting their own hero when clicking on things. It was in DotA because of the WC3 engine, not because it was a feature.

[Talesavo]

What's wrong with manabars? Turning something that is available anyways, but at the moment rather uncomfortable to obtain into something practical isn't really a bad thing.

Another thing would be to prevent players from deselecting their own hero when clicking on things. It was in DotA because of the WC3 engine, not because it was a feature.


You know, I kinda like the no mana bars thing. It really makes you question whether you should dive on people(or chase) and 90% of the time, you don't even notice there's no mana bar. When the time comes to figure out whether you should dive someone or not, that chance may escape. I was on the 'show the ****in mana bars for ****s sake' boat for awhile there, but meh, it's grown on me.

[YawningAngel]

It doesn't do that at all, because if you're good then you just select their hero anyway.

[sakujo]

It doesn't do that at all, because if you're good then you just select their hero anyway.

youre not good at either game (sorry =/) and this isn't even what's being discussed. you have time to click on an earthshaker when you see him for a split second from the fog at top when you're against a tri lane? what if he's actually oom and just bluffing? dear god, would that be a smart play by him to scare you into zoning yourself?

there's a lot more than just 'heh if you can just click on him why is there no mana bar' and i'm sure every developer at valve, icefrog and people that have already been in the beta for half a year thought of that STUPID ASS response to not having mana bars before you had beta access (also wondering how much you paid for it)

[DarkSuo]

Stay in HoN, YawningAngel. Also give ur beta account to me.

[YawningAngel]

youre not good at either game (sorry =/) and this isn't even what's being discussed. you have time to click on an earthshaker when you see him for a split second from the fog at top when you're against a tri lane? what if he's actually oom and just bluffing? dear god, would that be a smart play by him to scare you into zoning yourself?

there's a lot more than just 'heh if you can just click on him why is there no mana bar' and i'm sure every developer at valve, icefrog and people that have already been in the beta for half a year thought of that STUPID ASS response to not having mana bars before you had beta access (also wondering how much you paid for it)
1. I may not be great, but you're even worse. You are in no position to tell me anything about either game.

2. In theory, sure you do. If you're fast enough, you can click that guy. If the interface was good, you wouldn't have to. Why is making it harder to get information out of the interface regarded as making the game more skill based? Your argument is not "you should have to click people," your argument is "you shouldn't be able to see people's mana pool". You can ALREADY tell how much mana he is, I'm just saying it shouldn't be necessary to click things.

3. "Valve already thought of it," is not an argument.

4. I didn't buy my beta key.

5. Stop trolling.

[Talesavo]

I've bluffed people with Enchant totem animation cancelling in my lane many a time, even though I have no mana for the stun, the ability animation alone is enough to scare people off.

[`Andrey`]

So Dota 2 is just... Dota HD. How extremely underwhelming. This average-looking game might crush HoN because of the Valve name behind it and the amount of former dota players in HoN, but it will barely touch LoL in the end, especially with Dominion. The genre has moved on from Dota 1. I've played dota for years and years and the current HoN meta is way more fun.

[Hat_Truck]

I don't really think the DotA formula needed changing to be honest. The Warcraft 3 engine was just really old and really buggy, and I applaud Valve for taking up the torch for DotA HD or whatever you want to call it.

DotA has been around the longest, and in terms of classical play, I still think it's far superior to HoN and LoL. Though I have to admit that LoL's Brominion mode is pretty damn fun, and really gives the game its own unique appeal. LoL will never be able to compete with DotA on even footing, but Dominion is perfect for LoL.

[`Andrey`]

DotA has been around the longest, and in terms of classical play, I still think it's far superior to HoN and LoL. Though I have to admit that LoL's Brominion mode is pretty damn fun, and really gives the game its own unique appeal. LoL will never be able to compete with DotA on even footing, but Dominion is perfect for LoL.
Dota is just not the same niche as LoL. LoL is just a much more casual game, and that's probably why it has such a massive, massive player base.

[Hat_Truck]

I meant compete with it in terms of quality, depth, and skill involved. Yeah, it may be more popular, but in terms of gameplay it is completely inferior on almost every level.

[Schwanz]

I like turtles

[Tyrando]

with Dominion LoL is no longer a DotA clone

[MonkeyBurn]

Juggs just got added to the hero pool.
http://dota2wiki.com/wiki/September_29,_2011_Patch

[Anchovies]

Juggs just got added to the hero pool.
http://dota2wiki.com/wiki/September_29,_2011_Patch

dear god, that model looks worse than swift, sachi and blademaster.

[sakujo]

dear god, that model looks worse than swift, sachi and blademaster.

search -> advanced search -> posts by user: anchovies -> keywords: dota, "dota 2" -> read any posts by you regarding dota 2 OR critical, threatening to heroes of newerth.

proceed to haw haw

http://coolingtower-design.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/fan.jpg
+
http://products.mercola.com/Images/multivitamin-childrens-chewables/healthy-boy.jpg

[sakujo]

with Dominion LoL is no longer a DotA clone

too bad it will always be a terrible game at the end of the day because of the stupidity that is rune pages and masteries

[YawningAngel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BePKjNX7qc

[Tyrando]

too bad it will always be a terrible game at the end of the day because of the stupidity that is rune pages and masteries

stupid to the hardcore gamer ye

but to the casual fags that outnumber us 10>1?

nope

riot are swimmin in $$ atm

[Z3ROCOOL22]

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/9822/atomicbombexplotion1.jpg

It's ok, bro!

[JoOKie]

I actually like the way they did mana bars in DotA 2 a lot. And it really isn't a big deal that you can't see their mana. If you play for 1 day you'll get used to it. e

[Donovan]

Reduced All Pick hero picker time (you can still pick after this time, but the in-game timer for creep spawn will be running)

This should be added to HoN!

[Hsssh]

Frankly sounds stupid. This will just create more chaos when you`ll have no idea in what lane you should be because 3 random people on your team haven`t picked their heroes yet.

[Loli]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdLc7_6ZPig

[Broodje]

loli has herpes

[Drasha]

If dota 2 allows modding you are going to have mana bars under the health bar.

[DadTakeItOut]

So just out of curiosity why does Dota 2 use less memory then hon? Hon uses approximately over 1.2 million resources compared to 240,000 for dota 2.

[Hermione]

dota 2 looks like lol? hon looks like hon!

imo. I don't like the graphics, the spell animations are insanely difficult to see and follow.

Crispness is a boon in games where 1 second can make the difference.

[MojoSpirit]

Dota2 looks like ass and never try to convince fanboys otherwise who get mad. You can't argue with ppl who find datsun's better looking then a Ferrari. Personally hurr durr is all you hear.

[Syllab]

I played both games, got HoN on medium settings, DOTA2 all on lowest, play HoN around 15-20 fps, and DOTA2 around 1-2 fps at all times, less in teamfights.

I don't have a clue of how this is possible. I wish DOTA2 used more resources and gave me more fps /cry

[mattbastard]

I played both games, got HoN on medium settings, DOTA2 all on lowest, play HoN around 15-20 fps, and DOTA2 around 1-2 fps at all times, less in teamfights.

I don't have a clue of how this is possible. I wish DOTA2 used more resources and gave me more fps /cry

Just a dumbass comment.

[greenchief]

you gotta realize dota 2 is still in dev/beta testing so the graphics are likely to improve

[DFAnton]

It has nothing to do with graphics. To the best of my knowledge, it's that HoN is Java based. The whole damn thing loads into memory when you start it.

[ohnooo]

dota 2 looks like lol? hon looks like hon!

imo. I don't like the graphics, the spell animations are insanely difficult to see and follow.

Crispness is a boon in games where 1 second can make the difference.

You on the drugs? Dota 2 looks like LoL? Must be a troll or a joke. Dota 2 looks better than any MOBA game currently available. You're pretty blind if you think otherwise. It's not really an opinion.

[Quelsatron]

The resources needed to accomplish a result are not always directly proportional to the quality of the result because the way you go about achieving that result might be less than optimal.

Basically, if Dota 2 has more graphical juice than HoN but doesn't require as many resources it is either because Valve's programmers are very clever or S2's programmers are very stupid.

[Thysios]

you gotta realize dota 2 is still in dev/beta testing so the graphics are likely to improve

I don't think I've ever seen a games graphics change from beta to release.
Maybe tweaking some spell animations that aren't finished but the overall graphics are still going to be the same.

[wboy]

hon will win end will get the dota2 :)

[Tarishimo]

So just out of curiosity why does Dota 2 use less memory then hon? Hon uses approximately over 1.2 million resources compared to 240,000 for dota 2.

I love how you say "1.2 million resources" instead of 1.2gb to just make it sound like it takes up so much.

Either way its still in early beta and they're not even close to what there going to release with.
other than that yes for some reason hon is a very inefficient client.

[facedown]

To the best of my knowledge, it's that HoN is Java based.

Please tell me you are trolling.

[JoOKie]

HoN uses a billion resources because the engine is not that good tbh.

[facedown]

HoN loads all the heroes and the alt skins into memory to decrease load times and improve responsiveness. HoN has a lot more heroes then DotA. Seems easy enough to figure the rest out.

[Quelsatron]

HoN loads all the heroes and the alt skins into memory to decrease load times and improve responsiveness. HoN has a lot more heroes then DotA. Seems easy enough to figure the rest out.

Please tell me you are trolling.

[TheRockSays]

Here's why HoN uses more resources:

The engine comes from Savage 2. So, basically in HoN you're using real measurements. It's basically a giant as **** world/map that is not shrunken down, but zoomed out. The map is mega huge, you could play it in first person almost 1:1 with other games made on the engine. DotA2 is a small physical map, with sized heroes, etc.

What does this mean? Whenever S2 decide to get off their ass HoN and the K2 engine will be insanely flexible, while DotA2 will not. DotA2 will pretty much offer nothing besides DotA2.

It would appear HoN loads more as a whole so that things aren't needed to load on the fly. More random little things, etc etc.

[ThePwner]

mmmm dota 2 is ****ign early beta ? has less than 50 heros? ??? ??

[facedown]

Please tell me you are trolling.

Please tell me you are not really that dumb.

[Festivalen]

ey bro, 30k+ players vs 300 average

PROBLEM?!?!?!?

huehuehuehue

[pen0r]

HoN has a lot more heroes then DotA. Seems easy enough to figure the rest out.

lol'd

[ToiletKing]

rise of immortals best game ever that why you can get it first on steam instead of dota2

[facedown]

lol'd

I take it back, many will never figure it out. I forgot that some here can not operate a zipper.

[karaflix]

Here's why HoN uses more resources:

The engine comes from Savage 2. So, basically in HoN you're using real measurements. It's basically a giant as **** world/map that is not shrunken down, but zoomed out. The map is mega huge, you could play it in first person almost 1:1 with other games made on the engine. DotA2 is a small physical map, with sized heroes, etc.

What does this mean? Whenever S2 decide to get off their ass HoN and the K2 engine will be insanely flexible, while DotA2 will not. DotA2 will pretty much offer nothing besides DotA2.

It would appear HoN loads more as a whole so that things aren't needed to load on the fly. More random little things, etc etc.

So unless someone confirms this (since it sounds the most valid one) then we got no clue and people will keep saying what they believe?

[RevRevRev]

Here's why HoN uses more resources:

The engine comes from Savage 2. So, basically in HoN you're using real measurements. It's basically a giant as **** world/map that is not shrunken down, but zoomed out. The map is mega huge, you could play it in first person almost 1:1 with other games made on the engine. DotA2 is a small physical map, with sized heroes, etc.

What does this mean? Whenever S2 decide to get off their ass HoN and the K2 engine will be insanely flexible, while DotA2 will not. DotA2 will pretty much offer nothing besides DotA2.

It would appear HoN loads more as a whole so that things aren't needed to load on the fly. More random little things, etc etc.

idk how you can say that the source engine is inflexible.

[MojoSpirit]

I don't think I've ever seen a games graphics change from beta to release.
Maybe tweaking some spell animations that aren't finished but the overall graphics are still going to be the same.

This. Good day sir.

[DadTakeItOut]

I wasn't asking for people to troll about graphics or that dota 2 looks like LoL. I was simply asking why Dota 2 uses less resources then hon. I have both games set on the max settings I can have them on and also vsync turned off to go past 60FPS. Both games run smooth no problems with graphical lag whatsoever. But when it comes to memory and alt tabbing out to check on facebook or something when I am dead. Then thats when it becomes an issue. With hon my entire computer has small freezes and when I look at the memory its 1.2 million. I have 8 gigs of ram with 2 gigs dedicated to both my 6990's. Dota 2 sits at 240,000 and I have no problems with anything

[Kahless]

It has nothing to do with graphics. To the best of my knowledge, it's that HoN is Java based. The whole damn thing loads into memory when you start it.

Your knowledge is pretty bad

[JoOKie]

I wasn't asking for people to troll about graphics or that dota 2 looks like LoL. I was simply asking why Dota 2 uses less resources then hon. I have both games set on the max settings I can have them on and also vsync turned off to go past 60FPS. Both games run smooth no problems with graphical lag whatsoever. But when it comes to memory and alt tabbing out to check on facebook or something when I am dead. Then thats when it becomes an issue. With hon my entire computer has small freezes and when I look at the memory its 1.2 million. I have 8 gigs of ram with 2 gigs dedicated to both my 6990's. Dota 2 sits at 240,000 and I have no problems with anything

Just not optimized well. :S That's it. It's the reason why iTunes eats up all your memory too.

[DadTakeItOut]

My Itunes uses pretty low memory compared to my skype.

[Rilian]

Looked at my system resource usage during a game.
I'm sitting at an average of 500,000. What the **** have you done to your game?

[Naivete]

Dota2 looks like ass and never try to convince fanboys otherwise who get mad. You can't argue with ppl who find datsun's better looking then a Ferrari. Personally hurr durr is all you hear.

All mobas(?) look like ass. If you dont agree, the witcher 2 must look like real life.

[WarKirby]

Just a dumbass comment.

you sure did post a dumbass comment.

memory exists to be used. and in a fullscreen app like Hon/dota, all the meory there is exists to be consumed as necessary to ensure the optimal playing experience. The post you quoted indicates that hon is more optimised than dota2, caches more, and as a result gives better framerates at the cost of more ram.

go research computer architecture before you post next time.

[RaViJ]

A lot of their effects look horrible but some of the effects look extremely good.

List of just some of the horrible looking effects:
-BKB (Shrunken Head)
-Tide Hunter's RaVi... I mean Ravage.
-Building fortification
-Rexxar's skills (:tund:)
-Mirana's (:Valk:) skills
-Lina's (:pyro:) stun
-Lion's (:Witc:) model
-Nevermore's (:soul:) skills

Some things they got right:
-Razor's (:corr:) skills and auto attack. His auto attack is a whip. How awesome is that?
-Pugna's Life Drain. Look at Empath's Life drain then look at Pugna's.
-Lion's (:witc:) ulti
-Stormspirit's (:doct:) skills. That static remnant looks great and innovative.
-Tinker's skills
-Sniper's (:flin:) skills
-Clockwerk's (:phar:) skills except for the cogs (Mummy wall)
-Smoke of Deceit
-Dagon (Codex) I like Codex better though.
-The water, environment, buildings, ramps, creeps, neutrals, Roshan (Kongor)
-All units have a "lifted" animation. (Heroes and units struggle in the air when lifted by something like Eul's Scepter (Stormspirit)

[runninwoof]

^ zomg that rivij the best hontage maker in the world, i mean have u seen the legendary youtube video!? mind = blown

love u ravij!!!!!

[SodanKerjuu]

No game should ever take more than 500mb of RAM.

All models and textures are loaded into the GPU after which they should not take any RAM except for the information of the memory address, which is minimal.

Take a look at any modern engine out there, CryTek, Source, Unreal, ID Tech. No matter how much graphics they put there the engine and game will never take more than half a gigabyte of your regular memory.

One could say that the K2 Engine is not well made, but hey it works and is stable enough for most of us. It's just a memory hog.

The reason why it takes so much memory, only developers can know that. All we users can do is throw wild guesses.

[Pazuzu]

I'm looking at my HoN's memory usage and its never gone over 800 mb of ram

I Don't know what it sits at on a DD2 ram stick but I'd like to imagine any PC gamer should be capable of getting cheap Ram

I run HoN on my old computer all the time and Ram for that computer only costed me 10 bucks a stick for 2 gig sticks.

But Back on OT. If you are having trouble running Hon on your system maybe its time to Look at your system and how its configured. Especially if you are running a 32 bit OS.

As for the scale of HoN

Its is run in an environment that uses real measurements while DOTA2 is not.

As for games like Crysis 2 and other "SandBox" games They easily exceed 2 gb of ram at times. I dunno what some of you are thinking.

[Decretium]

You on the drugs? Dota 2 looks like LoL? Must be a troll or a joke. Dota 2 looks better than any MOBA game currently available. You're pretty blind if you think otherwise. It's not really an opinion.
hurr hurr, hon's is better.

[sPecter_]

It has nothing to do with graphics. To the best of my knowledge, it's that HoN is Java based. The whole damn thing loads into memory when you start it.

Damn this is by far the most stupid comment i've ever read.

[Zo8]

Dota 2 will beat HoN for one simple reason:
The game will be working close to 100% of the time.

[Devonrex]

Dota 2 will beat HoN for one simple reason:
The game will be working close to 100% of the time.
What was that lag during the tournament? LOL

[Zo8]

What was that lag during the tournament? LOL
I'm still impressed they managed to pull off a tournament in a game that is in beta, and it wasn't every game that lagged. Imagine once the game is fully completed. The gameplay probably wont be better than HoN's, but at least we will be able to play it.

[emKill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCwxEawyi0I&feature=related

[FriD4y]

What was that lag during the tournament? LOL

More than 1.5 mil viewers on the stream servers .. LOL

[Devonrex]

More than 1.5 mil viewers on the stream servers .. LOL
The stream wasn't lagging, the game was.

That's why the players were all typing "lag" in chat.
Makes sense, yes?

[Zodium]

So just out of curiosity why does Dota 2 use less memory then hon? Hon uses approximately over 1.2 million resources compared to 240,000 for dota 2.
Please, dota2 is just in the beta, HoN has been out for quite som time now.
How big do you think HoN was in early beta stages? Idiot.

[MrHanSolo]

if you have problem with altabbing just turn off exclusive mode lawl

[FriD4y]

The stream wasn't lagging, the game was.

That's why the players were all typing "lag" in chat.
Makes sense, yes?

The commentators said that they weren't expecting so many viewers on their stream and because of that they were having problems with their connection, thus the overwhelming number of viewers caused the lag in the stream(host of the game) and that in return caused the game to lag itself. ty

[Quelsatron]

Please tell me you are not really that dumb.

I wasn't referring to the amount of heroes, but the fact that HoN loads all of the heroes into memory, which is false. Just try to spawn a previously un-spawned hero in practice mode, the game freezes for a second as they load the hero resources. I don't think they ever un-load the hero resources though.

Dota 2 on the other hand has hero picking on the map, meaning they load all of their heroes all of the time(probably, I don't know).

[Excyis]

OH LOOK IT'S THIS THREAD AGAIN!
OPINIONS!(MY GAME IS BETTER THAN YOURS HURR DURR DERP)
OPINIONS!(MY GAME IS BETTER THAN YOURS HURR DURR DERP)
OPINIONS!(MY GAME IS BETTER THAN YOURS HURR DURR DERP)
OPINIONS!(MY GAME IS BETTER THAN YOURS HURR DURR DERP)
You are all retarded for arguing about this. Go post something useful. Threads like this should go to off-topic.
It's not HoN related.
At all.
Like really.
You should feel bad for starting this thread OP.

[pmkaboo]

you gotta realize dota 2 is still in dev/beta testing so the graphics are likely to improve
i woudnt count on that, for example hon graphics were the same in beta as now

[Recardo]

Dota 2 looks like ****.. thats it :)

[MA121]

valve has professional developers who can optimize games

s2 doesn't

[xhizt]

no one is right

everyone is wrong

discuss

[GodEnder]

all the dota 2 faggots need to **** off and go to the dota 2 forums and go play their subpar **** game, thatll have all the bad things associated with hon and then some.... and shitty graphics to boot

[Chaosboom]

rofl at HoN fanboys. try to convince yourself that HoN is better when Dota 2 is released.

[Chaosboom]

i woudnt count on that, for example hon graphics were the same in beta as now

Hahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha hahahahahah.

It's S2 you dumbass.

Look at any other game in the world.

[AcidRose]

Here's why HoN uses more resources:

The engine comes from Savage 2. So, basically in HoN you're using real measurements. It's basically a giant as **** world/map that is not shrunken down, but zoomed out. The map is mega huge, you could play it in first person almost 1:1 with other games made on the engine. DotA2 is a small physical map, with sized heroes, etc.

What does this mean? Whenever S2 decide to get off their ass HoN and the K2 engine will be insanely flexible, while DotA2 will not. DotA2 will pretty much offer nothing besides DotA2.

It would appear HoN loads more as a whole so that things aren't needed to load on the fly. More random little things, etc etc.

This ... you all seen the FP footage in spotlights. Sevage 2 is a FP game and hon uses the same engine which is far more complex then standard RTS. Still on a half decent PC running hon should not be a problem. Dota 2 is more detailed .. which doesnt mean it looks better though :-/

[Quelsatron]

This ... you all seen the FP footage in spotlights. Sevage 2 is a FP game and hon uses the same engine which is far more complex then standard RTS. Still on a half decent PC running hon should not be a problem. Dota 2 is more detailed .. which doesnt mean it looks better though :-/

I don't see how it's any different to the source engine. Does the words Half-Life ring a bell?

[Cultix]

you gotta realize dota 2 is still in dev/beta testing so the graphics are likely to improve

Hon was in dev/beta, and graphics are the same. Graphics are nothing, gameplay is everything.

Dota 2 is not inventing something, or making it better, is recreating something with better graphics.

Dota 2 won't have casual mode (the real mode, which is a mix of LoL and Dota, where all heroes have items and their full potencial is unlocked, not like in normal, where you are a support and the only item you have is boots and you have to w8 1 hour for your carry to win).

I would like to see the % of who is most played, Casual or Normal.

[DoubleUTeaF]

All mobas(?) look like ass. If you dont agree, the witcher 2 must look like real life.

FPS-Players opinion: Everything with not first or third person perspective looks like ass.

[nimarq]

Hon was in dev/beta, and graphics are the same. Graphics are nothing, gameplay is everything.

Dota 2 is not inventing something, or making it better, is recreating something with better graphics.

Dota 2 won't have casual mode (the real mode, which is a mix of LoL and Dota, where all heroes have items and their full potencial is unlocked, not like in normal, where you are a support and the only item you have is boots and you have to w8 1 hour for your carry to win).

I would like to see the % of who is most played, Casual or Normal.

Yeah everyone picking carry and facerolling through the game is unlocking potential. So bad.

[DoubleUTeaF]

Hahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha hahahahahah.

It's S2 you dumbass.

Look at any other game in the world.

Ok since you got way more clue than i have obviously just tell me one, only one game, where the developers changed the graphic engine after a (according to IceFrog) short Beta Phase. You'll be very disappointed when Dota 2 goes retail i fear.

[PeelzMan]

I like how everyone says: It's just fanboys of DotA that says the graphics are great. But as soon as you try to convince that very person that he is incorrect he starts flaming at you and keeps on being a HoN-fanboy. Myself, i did not play DotA as a serious game. I tried it once in a while and such but never got the hang of it. I've played HoN since beta and it's just getting worse and worse. Even if it isn't about graphics, honboiz are gonna keep figthing against it and use the sentence: pfft, DotA2's graphics looks just like LoL herpaderp. Clearly because they have no other arguments, or are just simply trolls or ignorant idiots. As i said I've played HoN since beta, quite some time of LoL and even tried DotA once in a while. But i must say, even if i have paid in truckloads of money into HoN(I'm retarded, i know), when DotA2 beta open up, I don't think I will open up HoN in a really long time. I'm sorry to say this, and may get very negative responses but, i love HoN itself, i actually do. But the way $2 has been doing to their customers lately(except this weekend) has been so sad and laughable. They don't seem to be supporting the game so much any longer, and instead focusing on franchising and all about gettin the player's money. The sale>only gold coins, premium, limited edition, 6800 silver anyone? It is a sad display and i have enough money to pay in, but it makes me cry when it's a non-hero friday, aka balance friday, and all you see is: The free hero pool has changed and: Added a new Premium alt avatar. And that's really sad to see... balance is not existing any longer. The newbie heroes shall conquer from now on. :pred: :ramp: :amun: :emer: :arma: :madm: :arac: :flin: Do your thing!


:glad:

[Excyis]

WHY IS THIS THREAD STILL HERE?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23788876/Reactions/1285473177090.jpg

[chainest]

dont care, will play both.

[Kaesetorte]

Damn this is by far the most stupid comment i've ever read.

does noone realize that the guy was being sarcastic? (and if he wasn't: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0)

[IsmaelVera]

Pretty sad to see such awful dota2 responses all being in the future tense.
"dota2 WILL be better, I'm not in the beta, and I'm not a developer, but I'm SURE that it'll be better." hurr

As for HoN, the models are being updated. In beta, the new heroes that came out were polished up well. Ex: Pollygon Priest, Ramp, Behe, Vindicator etc.

Only problem I have is that every female character looks like sh*t. All of the "monster" heroes have excellent modeling, but when it comes to girls, our modelers seem like closet nerds.
:balp:

[MonkeyBurn]

So it looks like there will be cosmetic changes for heroes and a in-game store.
http://www.valvenews.net/2011/dota-2-will-feature-cosmetic-items-an-in-game-store/

[KingDongWang]

Hate myself for replying in this thread. Watching streams now of dota2 I can already tell how much they've changed animations and upped the graphics on a lot of the spells. As far as the general graphics are concerned, they wont change really, but the improvement since the tournament is very visible.

Only thing that bothers me is that some of the attack animations on ranged heroes seem to make last hitting next to impossible against melee.

[`Andrey`]

rofl at HoN fanboys. try to convince yourself that HoN is better when Dota 2 is released.
I've played dota for years. Dota 2 is nothing more than Dota HD. I like the current HoN meta much better than that of Dota. Dota 2 could have been something special if Valve would have done something with it. Instead they made Dota HD. Tedious. Moving along.

[JoOKie]

None of you guys had a problem when HoN was DotA HD.

[DarkSuo]

Here's why HoN uses more resources:

The engine comes from Savage 2. So, basically in HoN you're using real measurements. It's basically a giant as **** world/map that is not shrunken down, but zoomed out. The map is mega huge, you could play it in first person almost 1:1 with other games made on the engine. DotA2 is a small physical map, with sized heroes, etc.

What does this mean? Whenever S2 decide to get off their ass HoN and the K2 engine will be insanely flexible, while DotA2 will not. DotA2 will pretty much offer nothing besides DotA2.

It would appear HoN loads more as a whole so that things aren't needed to load on the fly. More random little things, etc etc.


U just said Source engine its not flexible, please kill yourself right now. You don't ****ing know anything that you're saying.

[Evermourn]

Argument: Can't see anything that's happening in Dota2, thus Dota2 graphics suck and HoN is way crisper.

Possible answer: You aren't accustomed to Dota2 visual effects, so your brain doesn't interpret the lights and flashes into coherent events; thus you can't tell what's going on. You have been playing HoN for a long time and you are accustomed to HoN's visual effects, so your brain CAN interpret the lights and flashes as coherent events; thus you can understand what is going on.

Addendum: Since when did "graphics" become synonyms for "artistic style"?

[Grim]

weee just got my beta key today.
kiss my ass HoN.

on a serious note, I just played a couple of games, Graphics are so damn clean, on my second game, I can actually tell whats going on and who's casting what. the 'Watch' tab is awesome, servers are stable, aaand.. What can I say? It's the good old awesome Dota I enjoyed with an engine that deserves compliment.
Now I'm gonna play more and wait for the awesome balanced heroes to come.

[Talesavo]

Pretty sad to see such awful dota2 responses all being in the future tense.
"dota2 WILL be better, I'm not in the beta, and I'm not a developer, but I'm SURE that it'll be better." hurr

As for HoN, the models are being updated. In beta, the new heroes that came out were polished up well. Ex: Pollygon Priest, Ramp, Behe, Vindicator etc.

Only problem I have is that every female character looks like sh*t. All of the "monster" heroes have excellent modeling, but when it comes to girls, our modelers seem like closet nerds.
:balp:


I am in the beta and DotA 2 IS better, For ME. People who prefer HoN are entitled to that opinion, but saying nonsensical bullshit like DotA 2 looks like LoL just shows you how scared people really are of what DotA 2 will inevitably do to HoN's playerbase.