The OFFICIAL DOTA2 Thread

[Ben_Dunder]

not really bro

if DotA had the K2 engine and all the HoN features it would obviously be better than HoN.
But it doesn't, therefore HoN > DotA.

edit:
for tardies who don't know, the K2 engine is the engine behind HoN and Savage2

Have to agree atm, smoke of deceit looks sick.

[Cyann]

I'd rather support the real creator of DotA than a bunch of copycats profiting on his hard work.

[orbitalx]

To the OP:

Simply put, Dota is a better game then HoN. When Dota2 comes out, it will be an exact copy of the original Dota, with 100% hero and items, and that is exactly why it will be successful.

HoN is superior to the original dota because of the features they have added, and the engine this game is played on. But when Dota2 releases, it will more then likely have all similar features and engine, but it will be the original game.

to be honest thats why 95% of the people came to hon in the first place, they wanted an updated dota. it started out that way, but then it changed.. seems to me its got to the point they are more interested in boasting their coin shop then anything.

Thats my opinion. Dota<HoN<Dota2.

[Ben_Dunder]

I'd rather support the real creator of DotA than a bunch of copycats profiting on his hard work.

In that case, shouldn't you be playing LoL?

[Sayko]

I like the coach system tho, i guess we will have to wait and see, by the end of this year they will release it.

[Jufes]

To the OP:

Simply put, Dota is a better game then HoN. When Dota2 comes out, it will be an exact copy of the original Dota, with 100% hero and items, and that is exactly why it will be successful.

HoN is superior to the original dota because of the features they have added, and the engine this game is played on. But when Dota2 releases, it will more then likely have all similar features and engine, but it will be the original game.

to be honest thats why 95% of the people came to hon in the first place, they wanted an updated dota. it started out that way, but then it changed.. seems to me its got to the point they are more interested in boasting their coin shop then anything.

Thats my opinion. Dota<HoN<Dota2.


Agreed 100%

[Jakiro]

To the OP:

Simply put, Dota is a better game then HoN. When Dota2 comes out, it will be an exact copy of the original Dota, with 100% hero and items, and that is exactly why it will be successful.

HoN is superior to the original dota because of the features they have added, and the engine this game is played on. But when Dota2 releases, it will more then likely have all similar features and engine, but it will be the original game.

to be honest thats why 95% of the people came to hon in the first place, they wanted an updated dota. it started out that way, but then it changed.. seems to me its got to the point they are more interested in boasting their coin shop then anything.

Thats my opinion. Dota<HoN<Dota2.

Your opinion was also that rampage was a very powerful hero before the remake.

[PashaB]

the main reason why ppl are more interested in dota2 is because its by icefrog, ppl miss certain heroes from dota that are currently not in hon, pathing in dota is far superior than it is in hon..

i love what s2 has done with hon but i must say the heroes and pathing make dota2 sound fun and possibly more enjoyable, but we wont know till it comes out whenever that may be.

Well, what you have to remember is that pathing in warcraft 3 is far superior to pathing in HoN. Of course blizz writes better code orientated for RTS than S2. It's Blizz.

[orbitalx]

Your opinion was also that rampage was a very powerful hero before the remake.


He was, I went positive with him every game. The new ultimate is interesting I suppose, but I cant stand his horned strike in this version.

I will be looking forward to the original SB in Dota2.

[relic]

Well, one of my concerns is it's creation will delay Half Life Episode 3's release by another decade.
GameInformer leaked something very cool about HL:E3, check it out here (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/12/31/what-s-ahead-game-informer-s-2011-predictions.aspx). Hint: This year, HL3 not HL:E3 /offtopic

[Pwn]

In that case, shouldn't you be playing LoL?

He doesn't know who pendragon is he's a retard.

Most ppl here will try dota 2 those who think it's better will switch and those that don't will stay. Not sure which group I'll belong to. No one should be.

[dandylion]

Well, what you have to remember is that pathing in warcraft 3 is far superior to pathing in HoN. Of course blizz writes better code orientated for RTS than S2. It's Blizz.

They also have been working on their pathing in RTS games for a much longer time. Improvements will come around. I honestly don't have a whole lot of issues with the pathing in HoN as it is.


Your opinion was also that rampage was a very powerful hero before the remake.

Oh snap!

If many of you have forgotten, there's some pretty conclusive evidence on the table that states that Icefrog did work for S2 for quite a while in the past. For all intents and purposes, this game was what he wanted dota to become. When he was busy tripping over his own ego, they took some of his power away. He then proceeded to rage like a chump and went to whoever else wanted to try to float on a river of money, and that's where we're heading today. We have so little information about dota2 at the moment that a lot of the features we've come to enjoy in hon are pure speculation. We'll have to see if it ever pans out to anything decent in the end.

[Cyann]

In that case, shouldn't you be playing LoL?

Funny how I'm already playing LoL, but when I say the real creator, I'm referring to the guy who made DotA what it is today, the one who gave it the huge success.



He doesn't know who pendragon is he's a retard

Actually, I do. Now shoo before you make other retarded claims that hold no ground.

[Zennousha]

Considering I hate Icefrog's idea of balance sometimes, and the overall pool of heroes in Dota, I won't be moving. He's made it out to be a carbon copy of Dota with upgrades and that wasn't what I was looking for when I migrated to HoN.

[Spectra]

i'll stick to HoN. screw the rest

[NubbyMcNub]

tl;dr the grass may or may not be greener

[Mazinkaiser]

Well, one of my concerns is it's creation will delay Half Life Episode 3's release by another decade.

lol, you still think it's ever coming out.... that's funny :scou:

[Pellikan]

I'd rather support the real creator of DotA than a bunch of copycats profiting on his hard work.

He took what others made and made it better. S2 anyone?

[c1ox]

Pendragon : "Guinsoo was the lead developer (before Icefrog), DotA had no competitive scene and maybe 5% of the players that it does today."

[relic]

@Mazinkaiser there is some hope!


GameInformer leaked something very cool about HL:E3, check it out here (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/12/31/what-s-ahead-game-informer-s-2011-predictions.aspx). Hint: This year, HL3 not HL:E3 /offtopic

[Grondines]

it will have roughly 2x as many heroes as hon

That's the selling point to me, s2 hasn't come close to the "1 hero/2 weeks promise."

comments like this makes me mad... they have been releasing them every 2 weeks since they call it other than christmas vacation... you guys are F*cking dumb
:scou:

[KingBane]

I'd rather support the real creator of DotA than a bunch of copycats profiting on his hard work.

if that were true you wouldn't be playing dota allstars. you'd be playing dota vanilla pre tft wc3. dota that eul made. but let's say you meant dota allstars, in which case you would be playing LoL, because guinsoo made dota allstars, and guinsoo moved over to riot games to make LoL.

if you're going to blindly support icefrog maybe you should do some research on him. he's not the "genius" everyone makes him out to be. most of what he's done was nothing more the implement community suggestions. hell he got so lazy he copy pasted the coding for skills from the community suggestions. for a long time he kept doing that without giving any credit. eventually people got pissed off and stopped submitting code for him to copy paste, he apologized and started giving credit where it was due. the guy's a dick, he inherited a game from guinsoo, then pendragon (who is also a massive douchebag) built a huge community which advertised the game for him. the only thing icefrog has going for him is that he continued to update the game for so damn long. as it turns out he was being paid to do so, contrary to what everyone thought, that being, that he updated it for free.

[c1ox]

if that were true you wouldn't be playing dota allstars. you'd be playing dota vanilla pre tft wc3. dota that eul made. but let's say you meant dota allstars, in which case you would be playing LoL, because guinsoo made dota allstars, and guinsoo moved over to riot games to make LoL.

Pendragon : "Guinsoo was the lead developer (before Icefrog), DotA had no competitive scene and maybe 5% of the players that it does today."

I heard you are not able to read, huh?

[Ghostly]

And yet Valve has already stated they are "Hoping" to have most of the heroes for release (I.E. the'll have 20 tops).

[rCore]

Funny how I'm already playing LoL, but when I say the real creator, I'm referring to the guy who made DotA what it is today, the one who gave it the huge success.


You mean that arab guy who was employed by S2 when this game was being made? You are already playing the second game he collaborated in.

[Allnighte]

To the OP:

Simply put, Dota is a better game then HoN. When Dota2 comes out, it will be an exact copy of the original Dota, with 100% hero and items, and that is exactly why it will be successful.

HoN is superior to the original dota because of the features they have added, and the engine this game is played on. But when Dota2 releases, it will more then likely have all similar features and engine, but it will be the original game.

to be honest thats why 95% of the people came to hon in the first place, they wanted an updated dota. it started out that way, but then it changed.. seems to me its got to the point they are more interested in boasting their coin shop then anything.

Thats my opinion. Dota<HoN<Dota2.
if you read the article, you'll notice they say "most" of the heroes will be brought over. it won't be 100%.

also they say the "core gameplay won't change"

aka they're pulling an S2/HoN.

[KingBane]

Pendragon : "Guinsoo was the lead developer (before Icefrog), DotA had no competitive scene and maybe 5% of the players that it does today."

I heard you are not able to read, huh?

yea and what brought the competitive scene? dota-allstars.com did. who was responsible for that? pendragon was. do YOU know how to read? or did you just read that 1 paragraph and then decided to post. i stated clearly icefrog inherited dota allstars from guinsoo, and got help from pendragon through the tda site.

doorknob.

[Nevyll]

Checked up on that timeline valve thingy, and I recall reading dota2 will be out mid-2011.
I'll be glad if I can try it out early 2020.

Also, WHY THE **** ARE THEY PORTING BLOODSEEKER, THE HERO IS **** AND NOTHING BUT ****.

[SESnut]

not really bro

if DotA had the K2 engine and all the HoN features it would obviously be better than HoN.
But it doesn't, therefore HoN > DotA.

edit:
for tardies who don't know, the K2 engine is the engine behind HoN and Savage2

yeah, because the engine is so awesome that s2 cant even stop the random crashes that a **** ton of people have

[c1ox]

yea and what brought the competitive scene? dota-allstars.com did. who was responsible for that? pendragon was. do YOU know how to read? or did you just read that 1 paragraph and then decided to post. i stated clearly icefrog inherited dota allstars from guinsoo, and got help from pendragon through the tda site.

doorknob.

I see what you did thar! And i liked it!

You stated that Pendragon + Icefrog made to game to what it is now.
And Guinsoo just brought the main idea.

Thx, sir.

[KingBane]

I see what you did thar! And i liked it!

You stated that Pendragon + Icedragon made to game to what it is now.
And Guinsoo just brought the main idea.

Thx, sir.

if you mean pendragon and icefrog then yes.. that is what i said. what's your point?

[iKiro]

I am looking forward to see what dota 2 will be like, but I won't make any final judgement on it till I see some game play. However, I am currently finding myself playing less and less HoN lately, maybe it's because of the content being release. I won't be like the majority of this community and be narrow minded.

[KingBane]

I am looking forward to see what dota 2 will be like, but I won't make any final judgement on it till I see some game play. However, I am currently finding myself playing less and less HoN lately, maybe it's because of the content being release. I won't be like the majority of this community and be narrow minded.

what makes you think the majority of hon players wont try out dota2? you realize only a small percentage of hon players visit these forums, from that small percentage is another fraction of people who absolutely will not play dota 2. they might be more vocal but they are by no means a majority.

[iKiro]

what makes you think the majority of hon players wont try out dota2? you realize only a small percentage of hon players visit these forums, from that small percentage is another fraction of people who absolutely will not play dota 2. they might be more vocal but they are by no means a majority.

I never said the majority of hon players won't try out dota 2, and yes I do know that majority of the people does not visit the forum. However, I wouldn't consider the people who doesn't come to this forum part of the community. What I meant was I wouldn't make a quick call like the majority stating dota2 > Hon or HoN > dota 2.

[monster]

When DOTA2 was first announced I thought HoN would have a lot to worry about... But after reading an article on IGN.com I really don't see what the big deal is... By the sounds of it Valve plans to bring absolutly nothing new to the table with DOTA2... All it is is a polished version of DOTA with improved graphics... No new maps, no new game modes, no campaign....

I really don't see the point of DOTA2 with HoN already released. I expected DOTA2 to be more innovative and move the genre forward and introduce new concepts, yet it doesn't appear that is happening in any shape or form. Should have been killed DOTA 1.5

Okay, I don't see anyone actually answering you directly.

Based on the two IGN coverages of DotA 2, the actual factor of gameplay (which is essentially the leveling, ganking, pushing meta-game) is going to remain intact and will not be messed with while IceFrog continues to head the development of the game. What Valve will be contributing are features that will enhance the already present experience of this kind of action RTS. Anyone familiar with Counter-Strike and Counter-Strike: Source knows about Half-Life TV, or HLTV for short. It was a spectating service that allowed you to connect on the fly into servers IN-GAME to spectate while they were in play. So you didn't have to connect to the server and fill the spectator slots before the game actually started to watch. There will also be a better system in terms of dealing with leavers that's been mentioned in the IGN coverages as well. This would allow a BOT player to take control of the hero at a certain skill level, allow the hero to be controlled by players of the team, or even allow you to invite someone on your friend's list to come into the game and take the spot of that player that left after they have been gone for a certain time frame. (AKA subbing, as was done in CS matches in leagues like CAL and CPL, and other similar leagues and games). They're even creating their own in-game league tools that will allow for competing and prizes AS WELL as creating a way for the leagues that exist right now to better represent themselves by using this same tool in-game for running their leagues and tournaments in addition to utilizing Valve's already existing tools like Valve Anti-Cheat.

tl;dr: There's a lot more than just "IceFrog's making it and Valve's behind him" that is pushing people's eyes towards this game. IceFrog is working on how the hero's look and how easily recognizable they and their skills are. Valve is working on the outlying features that would make what IceFrog's working on much easier to use.

:myrm:

[Blaky039]

not really bro

if DotA had the K2 engine and all the HoN features it would obviously be better than HoN.
But it doesn't, therefore HoN > DotA.

edit:
for tardies who don't know, the K2 engine is the engine behind HoN and Savage2

I could be the president of USA. But I'm not, therefore Me > President of the USA

[Cellulite]

If DotA 2 removes RNG from game, then DotA 2 > all motherfluffing games!

[Tedde]

If DotA 2 removes RNG from game, then DotA 2 > all motherfluffing games!

Don't think that'll happen.

[Passthechips]

tl;dr: There's a lot more than just "IceFrog's making it and Valve's behind him" that is pushing people's eyes towards this game. IceFrog is working on how the hero's look and how easily recognizable they and their skills are. Valve is working on the outlying features that would make what IceFrog's working on much easier to use.

http://icefrogtruth.blogspot.com/2010/10/truth.html#comments

According to a recent update to the blog The Truth About IceFrog: Behind the Bullshit, Icefrog isn't even leading the team.

Also this tidbit,


The word going around is that he was denied at Riot Games, got a boatload from S2 Games, and now is reaping the profits from us. Whatever he is being paid, it is ridiculous, because the game is literally identical to DOTA. Everything from voices to art is being transferred over, because he demanded it. This game could have been made without his involvement at all.

EDIT: Clarification to us "porting over" Blizzard's content. I am not saying that we are directly taking their assets, but rather, that Abdul demanded that everything look and sound as close as possible to the Blizzard assets without causing copyright issues.

[c1ox]

http://icefrogtruth.blogspot.com/2010/10/truth.html#comments

According to a recent update to the blog The Truth About IceFrog: Behind the Bullshit, Icefrog isn't even leading the team.

Also this tidbit,
"If you enjoy DOTA you will enjoy DOTA 2. It will be a very good game, because DOTA is a good game. This blog is not about putting DOTA 2 down, nor is it about putting down the hard work of the development team. This blog is about letting people understand the truth behind the people at the helm of the project, and how they are trying to steer Valve away from its roots as a gamer-first company."

So even a hater says DotA 2 is going to rock.

[Good_Apollo]

the main reason why ppl are more interested in dota2 is because its by icefrog, ppl miss certain heroes from dota that are currently not in hon, pathing in dota is far superior than it is in hon..

i love what s2 has done with hon but i must say the heroes and pathing make dota2 sound fun and possibly more enjoyable, but we wont know till it comes out whenever that may be.You heard it here first folks, Valve hired the Blizzard employees behind the Warcraft 3 Engine!

This is why mediocre games get popular, even when they aren't released yet: the public is stupid. Posts like that are the example of the average buyer. This is why people bought Black Ops and continue to buy Rock Band/Guitar Hero games...

[Passthechips]

"If you enjoy DOTA you will enjoy DOTA 2. It will be a very good game, because DOTA is a good game. This blog is not about putting DOTA 2 down, nor is it about putting down the hard work of the development team. This blog is about letting people understand the truth behind the people at the helm of the project, and how they are trying to steer Valve away from its roots as a gamer-first company."

So even a hater says DotA 2 is going to rock.

If you even read that paragraph, he doesn't hate DotA nor is he trying to put it down. He said he hates Icefrog. DotA 2 is going to be a 1:1 port of DotA. This means all the shitty unviable heroes will be in DotA 2 and that the epitome of horrible balance, Icefrog, will be balancing the game.

If anyone who was ever old school DotA player would know over half the hero pool in DotA has always been horribly unviable and that the competitive bans/picks have always been dominated by certain overpowered hero pools for long stretches of time. Imbalanced DotA heroes are far more game breaking then anything in HoN since retail.

[c1ox]

Hes still a hater, so what? D:

Btw:
Everything you've posted about Icefrog's personality and work habits is just hearsay. Icefrog has a vision, if anything his co-workers are jealous of his status, want to help be part of his fame and get shot down by trying to "help" him with ideas.

[Ch1cken]

Hon has its share of horrible unviable heroes as well.

Im extremely excited about dota2. I think s2 has really dropped the ball in the balance department, and lets face it MM is a complete and utter failure, and s2's RAP system gives power to griefers. Also something that hasnt been mentioned as much is that on ave there will b 3-10x as many people online compared to hon, which imo is a great thing.

And MOST importantly dota2 will have a kick function, which is a reason BY ITSELF that id play dota2 over HON. Srsly tired of wasting hours of my time because some swiftblade that just got his 35min bfury thinks we can win.

If s2 decides to add a kick function back in, and dissolves their failed mm id honestly think about staying. Im extremely tired of playing mm where literally 96% of my games are pub stomps.

[Trckehzauruz]

People who don't see that MM will be balanced over time, should play CS or WoW or something..

[DuckSoup]

If they have all the ports for Dota 2, count me in.

I hate how HON just decided to stop porting heroes and never told us why.

[awwwyea]

doesnt really matter if its better or not were gona lose a lot of hon players either way

[rCore]

If DotA 2 removes RNG from game, then DotA 2 > all motherfluffing games!

Dota 1 didn't remove it, in fact icefrog keeps adding rng to the game, why would dota 2 do it?


If they have all the ports for Dota 2, count me in.

I hate how HON just decided to stop porting heroes and never told us why.

They couldn't tell us why, but you should already know why.

[Jacky]

i'm not so sure that's valve's decision as it is icefrog's. that is if you are to believe the whole truth about icefrog blog. which i do, whoever wrote that blog has alot of good info on it you can independantly confirm. the only thing you can't confirm is when he talks about the inner workings at valve. though everything he says makes sense. icefrog's the one who's pushing for a carbon copy of dota letter for letter (even sound for sound in some cases).
In that blog he claims to know Ice Frogs real name, but I believe the name he gives is incorrect.

It's just a random blog that could have been posted by anyone.

[JustinSynth]

If you even read that paragraph, he doesn't hate DotA nor is he trying to put it down. He said he hates Icefrog. DotA 2 is going to be a 1:1 port of DotA. This means all the shitty unviable heroes will be in DotA 2 and that the epitome of horrible balance, Icefrog, will be balancing the game.

[B]If anyone who was ever old school DotA player would know over half the hero pool in DotA has always been horribly unviable and that the competitive bans/picks have always been dominated by certain overpowered hero pools for long stretches of time. [B]Imbalanced DotA heroes are far more game breaking then anything in HoN since retail.

Yes because HoN is perfectly balanced... right?

[GucciGod]

http://icefrogtruth.blogspot.com/2010/10/truth.html#comments

According to a recent update to the blog The Truth About IceFrog: Behind the Bullshit, Icefrog isn't even leading the team.

Also this tidbit,
did you really reference the biggest joke blog post ever?

it has zero credibility.

[Good_Apollo]

They couldn't tell us why, but you should already know why.It's already been explained. Copyright conspiracies noted, the ports stopping abruptly coincides around the rumors and then confirmation of DotA 2 and has been explained as a way for S2 to separate their game from the competition. You'll notice that not only has DotA content stopped appearing but also the metagame and flow is vastly different now. With growing competition S2 started with carbon copying to get a foothold but now they're focusing on making HoN their own to stand against the other games being released.

To reiterate, S2 had everything to gain when they pioneered a standalone DotA clone, but now as competition rises and with an official standalone on the horizon they're moving to individualize HoN to get better sales.

There's obviously more to the change in content be it legal reasonings or not, S2 won't say anymore about it. The reasons they have given, though, still make sense and are positive decisions for HoNs future.

[tHe_silent_H]

i don't think i could leave HoN and not miss :pand:,:nymp:,:hell:(he's technically an S2 heroe with a stolen ult),:mali:,:chip:,:gaun:,:engi:,:bomb:,:scou: and :balp:, especially :balp: <3:balp:

[Cristiaan]

It's already been explained. Copyright conspiracies noted, the ports stopping abruptly coincides around the rumors and then confirmation of DotA 2 and has been explained as a way for S2 to separate their game from the competition. You'll notice that not only has DotA content stopped appearing but also the metagame and flow is vastly different now. With growing competition S2 started with carbon copying to get a foothold but now they're focusing on making HoN their own to stand against the other games being released.

To reiterate, S2 had everything to gain when they pioneered a standalone DotA clone, but now as competition rises and with an official standalone on the horizon they're moving to individualize HoN to get better sales.

There's obviously more to the change in content be it legal reasonings or not, S2 won't say anymore about it. The reasons they have given, though, still make sense and are positive decisions for HoNs future.

I approve of your post

I play HoN because I like to play HoN

[OMGWTF]

I'd rather support the real creator of DotA than a bunch of copycats profiting on his hard work.

you do know icefrog helped s2 early on right?

[doppelstern]

Sounds like som HoN fanboys have their panties on fire right now because they know dota2 will rock, resulting in fewer players here.

Can't wait to get my hands on that doombringer or techies again. Real pusher heroes like tinker and furion will also be a welcome.

[KingBane]

You heard it here first folks, Valve hired the Blizzard employees behind the Warcraft 3 Engine!

This is why mediocre games get popular, even when they aren't released yet: the public is stupid. Posts like that are the example of the average buyer. This is why people bought Black Ops and continue to buy Rock Band/Guitar Hero games...

yea pretty much. one of the big reasons i didn't buy black ops and i'm quite glad i didn't. i was majorly disappointed with how mw2 came out. that downward trend followed into black ops and then some. a couple of my friends who pretty much get every fps game got black ops. they're incredibly disappointed with it as well. doesn't help that all the youtube fps vid creators are talking about how awesome black ops is. it's fooling people into gettin that game and being vastly disappointed.

[Thysios]

I find it funny, when HoN came out a lot of people stuck to dota because HoN is just a copy. Yet that's exactly what DotA 2 is going to be. So because HoN wasn't made by Icefrog it's automatically not as good?

[doppelstern]

I find it funny, when HoN came out a lot of people stuck to dota because HoN is just a copy. Yet that's exactly what DotA 2 is going to be. So because HoN wasn't made by Icefrog it's automatically not as good?

Exactly.

[`Oct`agon]

will switch to dota 2.

[Andysonic1]

How long before I can transfer my TF2 hats to my favorite Dota2 hero?

[Dadi]

So because HoN wasn't made by Icefrog it's automatically not as good?

DOTA 2 is made by IceFrog and Valve and Valve has a great track record when it comes to games. They have a lot more resources than S2 has because they are a lot bigger so I don't see how S2 as an indie developer can keep up with them which is why I think DOTA 2 will be better.

[doppelstern]

will switch to dota 2.

Morphling + ethereal blade will put be the new definition of rape.

[Pat_H]

I'd rather support the real creator of DotA than a bunch of copycats profiting on his hard work.

wouldn't that mean you would play League of Legends? Icefrog didn't invent dota...

[Good_Apollo]

yea pretty much. one of the big reasons i didn't buy black ops and i'm quite glad i didn't. i was majorly disappointed with how mw2 came out. that downward trend followed into black ops and then some. a couple of my friends who pretty much get every fps game got black ops. they're incredibly disappointed with it as well. doesn't help that all the youtube fps vid creators are talking about how awesome black ops is. it's fooling people into gettin that game and being vastly disappointed.
It's because the general gaming public isn't hardcore anymore. They're casual gaming hipsters. All my friends buy up Black Ops and co not because they care about the content or quality, just that it's the hot new MP game to get (they rarely bother with SP..ever) and want to get straight to badass fragging and xbl trash talking. The same types make up the biggest game communities on the pc as well exampled in CSS, MW2, BFBC2, CS 1.6, TF2, DotA, SC (2), ect.

It's why EA is a monster and pretty much every other negative development in gaming exists: the shift from gaming being niche to being mainstream. It's like comparing the content and audience of 1980s MTV to the content and audience of 2011 MTV. Mainly why it pisses me off that DotA 2 is so hyped and why I'm convinced it won't be anything more than mediocre. HoN has it's faults but for $30 it offers quite a package if you're into DotA gameplay. It's not fanboyism, it's ****ing realityism. Th reverse is true for the slobbering DotA masses that are inexplicably buyers of HoN and frequenters of it's forums.

[Shocker420]

I never played dota and didnt plan on buying wc3 and trying it. I played a lot of counterstrike so ill be picking up dota2 for sure.

Blizzard is also releasing blizzard dota as a custom map on starcraft 2. They are making heros from all their games like diablo and warcraft.

There is already a dota style custom map on starcraft 2 called Storm of the Imperial Sanctum (SotIS) that has been out for a few months and is pretty good now with around 35 heroes. I had never heard of dota before i started playing SotIS a couple months ago. I was getting bored of it and tried HoN and have been here since. I go back once in a while and they just released a big patch so i started playing more recently. Would recommend checking it out if you have sc2

[Pat_H]

I never played dota and didnt plan on buying wc3 and trying it. I played a lot of counterstrike so ill be picking up dota2 for sure.

Blizzard is also releasing blizzard dota as a custom map on starcraft 2. They are making heros from all their games like diablo and warcraft.

There is already a dota style custom map on starcraft 2 called Storm of the Imperial Sanctum (SotIS) that has been out for a few months and is pretty good now with around 35 heroes. I had never heard of dota before i started playing SotIS a couple months ago. I was getting bored of it and tried HoN and have been here since. I go back once in a while and they just released a big patch so i started playing more recently. Would recommend checking it out if you have sc2

I played this right when it came out and it was hilarious how bad it was. Has it really progressed since then? At the time it was almost unplayable.

and why would playing counterstrike make you enjoy dota2?

[Good_Apollo]

DOTA 2 is made by IceFrog and Valve and Valve has a great track record when it comes to games. They have a lot more resources than S2 has because they are a lot bigger so I don't see how S2 as an indie developer can keep up with them which is why I think DOTA 2 will be better.I don't know what fantasy you've been living in but, while I love Steam and believe Valve is a decent developer, they have a pretty hit or miss history of releases. Can you really consider anything but Half Life to be theirs anyway? The majority of their games weren't developed by original Valve employees but were developed from the acquired modders behind them. (Great business strat btw)

If you're only considering sales as a success point then yeah, they've rocked every release and DotA 2 will follow that but what comes into question is: are the games good? Justin Beiber has millions of fans but the majority of the musically inclined agree he's a talentless exploitation designed for marketability.

Think about it.

[Dadi]

I don't know what fantasy you've been living in but, while I love Steam and believe Valve is a decent developer, they have a pretty hit or miss history of releases. Can you really consider anything but Half Life to be theirs anyway? The majority of their games weren't developed by original Valve employees but were developed from the acquired modders behind them. (Great business strat btw)

If you're only considering sales as a success point then yeah, they've rocked every release and DotA 2 will follow that but what comes into question is: are the games good? Justin Beiber has millions of fans but the majority of the musically inclined agree he's a talentless exploitation designed for marketability.

Think about it.

Err, so you're saying DOTA 2 isn't theirs either? It's not like they hired IceFrog (or any of the other modders) and then had them make the game themselves, they hire modders (so they become Valve employees) and then have other VALVE employees help make the games. How does this not make the games theirs? What's an original Valve employee in your opinion if not that? In that case any programmers, for example, they hire wouldn't be an "original Valve employee" cause they must have experience from somewhere else first.

Also, I have bought every game (I think) that Valve has ever made and the only one which I didn't think was worth it was Left 4 Dead 2 cause I had played Left 4 Dead to death so I got bored of L4D2 really quickly. Also, most real gamers consider Valve to be good and by real gamers I mean people who play stuff other than Call Of Duty/CS/HoN/WoW/SC2 or other big multiplayer games (nothing wrong with that, but if that's all you play then you're no gamer imo).

[brownhole69]

Hon is a great game, valve is a great developer whether they actually develop the game themselves or slap their name on someone elses work. Most games I have played that involved valve in any way have been enjoyable.

[KingBane]

Err, so you're saying DOTA 2 isn't theirs either? It's not like they hired IceFrog (or any of the other modders) and then had them make the game themselves, they hire modders (so they become Valve employees) and then have other VALVE employees help make the games. How does this not make the games theirs? What's an original Valve employee in your opinion if not that? In that case any programmers, for example, they hire wouldn't be an "original Valve employee" cause they must have experience from somewhere else first.

Also, I have bought every game (I think) that Valve has ever made and the only one which I didn't think was worth it was Left 4 Dead 2 cause I had played Left 4 Dead to death so I got bored of L4D2 really quickly. Also, most real gamers consider Valve to be good and by real gamers I mean people who play stuff other than Call Of Duty/CS/HoN/WoW/SC2 or other big multiplayer games (nothing wrong with that, but if that's all you play then you're no gamer imo).

cod/cs/hon/wow/sc2 are some of the most hardcore games out there. i dunno what you're smoking but what's left is **** like retarded sports games, various rpg's like final fantasy or western rpg's like the stuff bioware puts out. the games you listed all require decent amounts of skill, with the exception of wow. every game you listed has some of the highest prize tourneys of any game out there, again with the exception of wow. seriously other then sports games and rpg's the only game left is fighting games like sf. if you consider "real" gamers to be people who play sports games then you have no idea what you're talking about, sorry.

[Wolfrar]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8252703/

[Good_Apollo]

[EDIT] Quoted wrong person. Take two: forget it. My post didn't save and I'm not writing another. I've said all I can.

[KingBane]

*WHOOOOSH*

That's the sound of my posts flying over your head.

no i understand what you're saying. i'm just saying sc1, cs, dota, hon, they all have their hardcore following. sure sc2, dota2, wow were meant for the masses, which is why sc2 doesn't excite me as much as sc1 (old sc1 pimpest plays vids are still amazing to me). wow's boring, and i've never touched cs though i do love cod games, right up until mw2. but to say that playing those games makes you not a true gamer, is just flat out wrong.

also i noticed i didn't quote your post. i quoted the other guys post.

[Morcheeba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCdQX483lPM

ja ja ja jajajajaja

edit: someone beat me i'm late....

[Mazinkaiser]

Remember how Valve sold Left 4 Dead 2 as a full 50 dollar game, instead of the expansion that it was?

No wonder they like IceFraud so much... he greedy :poll:

[Cristiaan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCdQX483lPM

ja ja ja jajajajaja

edit: someone beat me i'm late....

trolololol

[TrialMonster]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8252703/

LOLLL fukknn hilarious

[Psoul]

I'll tell you what will keep me around...
Linux support.

[Dadi]

cod/cs/hon/wow/sc2 are some of the most hardcore games out there. i dunno what you're smoking but what's left is **** like retarded sports games, various rpg's like final fantasy or western rpg's like the stuff bioware puts out. the games you listed all require decent amounts of skill, with the exception of wow. every game you listed has some of the highest prize tourneys of any game out there, again with the exception of wow. seriously other then sports games and rpg's the only game left is fighting games like sf. if you consider "real" gamers to be people who play sports games then you have no idea what you're talking about, sorry.

What I mean is if you just play those big multiplayer games all day I don't think you're a real gamer because gaming isn't just about raging at other people. There are a ton of other games than these big AAA titles which are great, and the best gaming experiences come from singleplayer games imo.

Also, Good_Apollo, I take it you agree that Valve's games are indeed Valve's games now?

[tkwizkid]

ahem..
I think there is something dota2 fanboys have not thought of yet. Valve (being an established company will produce dota2, and with their resources will advertise the hell out of the game. People who love valve produced games will flood to dota2 with no dota or moba experience at all.

Dota2 will be teeming with noobies feeding and leaving games. Not to say there are no scrubs in hon, but most hon players come from a dota backround.

[TheOtherOne]

DotA 2 will have the important things. HoN is better because Hold Position doesn't automatically attack, because the hotkeys for shopping make it easy, because if you disconnect you can reconnect, and because it tracks stats. Maybe a few other things I haven't thought of at the moment. Those are all minor details that will easily be dealt with now that DotA is getting its own engine. And those are the only significant advantages HoN has. New maps are worthless, their heroes are decent but I still prefer the unported DotA ones. And the coaching system for DotA 2 has a lot of promise.

HoN doesn't have any significant upgrades that aren't simple obvious engine fixes for DotA 2.

[Mazinkaiser]

HoN doesn't have any significant upgrades that aren't simple obvious engine fixes for DotA 2.

Not having a sellout hack as your lead game designer is a significant upgrade, imo :poll:

[TheOtherOne]

Icefrog did a hell of a lot more for DotA than S2 ever did.

[Dadi]

ahem..
I think there is something dota2 fanboys have not thought of yet. Valve (being an established company will produce dota2, and with their resources will advertise the hell out of the game. People who love valve produced games will flood to dota2 with no dota or moba experience at all.

Dota2 will be teeming with noobies feeding and leaving games. Not to say there are no scrubs in hon, but most hon players come from a dota backround.

I frequent a Valve forum and most of them seem to be uninterested in DOTA 2, especially since they haven't played DOTA before (many even annoyed that they're developing it instead of focusing on something else). Of course there will probably be newbies anyway but, like in HoN, if you're any good you'll just get higher PSR (or whatever system they will use) than the newbies and you won't have to play with them. Also, more newbies = more people = bigger scene. And people will (hopefully) stop being newbies after they learn the game. So there are both positive and negative sides.

[RellikReyalp]

This entire thread is like saying Brazil will win the World soccer championship before the qualifiers even started. Most people may belive it but its not true until it happened.

Relax people or you just show that you actually are the idiots that you seem to be.

[RobinEA]

When DOTA2 was first announced I thought HoN would have a lot to worry about... But after reading an article on IGN.com I really don't see what the big deal is... By the sounds of it Valve plans to bring absolutly nothing new to the table with DOTA2... All it is is a polished version of DOTA with improved graphics... No new maps, no new game modes, no campaign....

I really don't see the point of DOTA2 with HoN already released. I expected DOTA2 to be more innovative and move the genre forward and introduce new concepts, yet it doesn't appear that is happening in any shape or form. Should have been killed DOTA 1.5

yep, 90% of the competetive scene will play a better polished dota. that means 90% of the competetive scene gone, no tournaments, no sponsors = makes hon a public game = hon dies.

[Mazinkaiser]

100% of your statistics are bullshizzle :zeph:

[RobinEA]

100% of your statistics are bullshizzle :zeph:

lol i dont really care what you think, but if you try to use your brain a little even you would figure out that even now dota has a much bigger competetive scene than hon, most of the top teams in hon came from dota, when dota2 comes it will be like dota competetive scene + hon competetive scene smashed together. If icefrog makes the game good there is not 1 single reason for a competetive gamer to stay behind. because dota is simply more balanced, more polished. The only reason people started playing hon was because of the limitation of the wc3 engine, reconnect systems etc, when dota2 gets that, bye bye hon.

I love hon and thats why i play it over dota, but the main reason i love it is because of those upgrades, and i dont really see any reason to stay in hon if icefrog plays his cards right. All you talk about is dota2 fanboys, its rather you hon fanboys that ignorant.

[KI_Cubano]

For everyone saying HoN is "stealing ideas from IceFrog", didn't IceFrog help in the early development of HoN?

[Mazinkaiser]

For everyone saying HoN is "stealing ideas from IceFrog", didn't IceFrog help in the early development of HoN?

Yes, he cashed a big check from S2, then proceeded to sellout AGAIN to Valve

The Legend of IceFraud :poll:

[Mazinkaiser]

because dota is simply more balanced, more polished..

LMAO :zeph:

[Vexium]

me thinks dota 2 will have more than they say currently. if it doesn't, than it will indeed be fail.

[bswhunter]

If dota2 doesnt havent stupidly low graphics settings (For the chinese) then the comp scene will only be slightly better then the current hon one.

[Strygwyr]

i think dota 2 wont come this year, there are only 4 pics, which arent even the gameplay.

too much ado for nothing.

[iSlayDragons]

I heard its hard to play two different games.

[doppelstern]

wouldn't that mean you would play League of Legends? Icefrog didn't invent dota...

But he did invent dota as we know it. Back in the days before IceFrog there heroes like night hound, but with vodoos ulti and mines in addition to his other skills, a hero with a 15 sec sheepstick as ulti and other just inbalanced stuff.

Eul and Guinsoos provided the base, Icefrog made it what it is today. The reason why LoL sucks so much *ss is just because Guinsoos version of DotA sucked so much *ss. Never played DotA in those days due to all his imbalances.

[Cptnawesome]

When DOTA2 was first announced I thought HoN would have a lot to worry about... But after reading an article on IGN.com I really don't see what the big deal is... By the sounds of it Valve plans to bring absolutly nothing new to the table with DOTA2... All it is is a polished version of DOTA with improved graphics... No new maps, no new game modes, no campaign....

I really don't see the point of DOTA2 with HoN already released. I expected DOTA2 to be more innovative and move the genre forward and introduce new concepts, yet it doesn't appear that is happening in any shape or form. Should have been killed DOTA 1.5

So you don't see why a company would do this?

They have on-board the "father" of DOTA (Yes he's the one that's maintained and gotten DOTA to what it is). They got an amazing scaling engine to work with. They are one of the best gamestudios in the world with one of the best trackrecords. They have a distribution and gamesystem that is close to unrivaled (I'd venture and say it's better/bigger than bnet).

If DOTA was a standalone game and not a wc3 mod they could've just taken the game raw, added the friend and competitionfeatures they've talked about, packaged it and sold it for 50 USD NP and gotten 1mln+ copies in the first week.

You don't have to have passed 6th grade math to understand they'll make money on this.

[Shen]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ui8uMcTVrLk/SytgKvOhkdI/AAAAAAAAAZs/t8Uc3EDgLzU/s320/dotards.jpg

Somebody who is hopelessly addicted to the Warcraft map, DoTA
DotArd: lo0l, lieK do YoU waNT tO iS paLy dOOta wid MeH??/
Normal Guy: Go away, DotArd.

When you are in the midst of your "dotage" meaning that you are in the midst of your mental decline. i.e. you're in the process of becoming a ****ing idiot.


Just so you calm down, DotA 2 will cost 59,99 EUR / USD and will have 15 EUR / USD DLC's ;)

[Izual]

Wait, what?

[killerkrill]

Chances are I will buy DoTA 2 and rape my friends.

[bckz`]

What is wrong with u?



Somebody who is hopelessly addicted to the Warcraft map, DoTA


You realize the HoN is based on DoTA?
If there were no DoTA, HoN would never be developed.
Just sayin

~bckz`

[Shen]

What is wrong with u?


You realize the HoN is based on DoTA?
If there were no DoTA, HoN would never be developed.
Just sayin

~bckz`

Aeon of Strife

Hero wars.

[z0mbi]

I keep reading people talk about how Valve will charge for DLC. I don't think I've ever had to pay for any DLC for any Windows based Valve product. Ever. I've receive so much free **** from this company that after buying the game the product value probably doubles after a year of the title being released. From Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 I've received many free maps and new games modes, I'm almost positive Left 4 Dead released with a 40USD pricetag. I have TF2, however I don't play it, but that game has been constantly updated with new content since release. I'd imagine Valve would follow suit with their other releases, keep the price low, add free content updates. You gotta remember they have to remain competitive. There are many titles with this kind of gameplay, some are free, some cost 30 bucks (HoN), I would think we wouldn't see anything over 40bucks. I mean good lord were you not alive when the Orange Box was released? Half-Life 2, HL2 Episode 1 and 2, TF2 and Portal all for 50 bucks. These guys will treat us right. I still love HoN and will continue to play it until something takes away that interest though.

Lastly, even though I've been sucking Valves dick for the length of this post, I remember when ATI Radeon 9800 were all the rage back before HL2 was released. Every card came with a voucher to receive one digital copy of HL2 when it was released. HL2 then went on to be delayed, Valve then sweetened the deal by not only giving us HL2 for free, but also HL2 Deathmatch, Counter-Strike: Source and also Day of Defeat: Source (and also HL1:Source but that came later) in other words, this company has never cheated me, in fact they are very generous and one of the last respectable PC game developers still around, respect Valve as you would your elders.

[TeDdYFoK3R]

That kinda looks like the HoN logo haha, but then again all those logo's look the same.

[FiveChip]

I keep reading people talk about how Valve will charge for DLC. I don't think I've ever had to pay for any DLC for any Windows based Valve product. Ever. I've receive so much free **** from this company that after buying the game the product value probably doubles after a year of the title being released. From Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 I've received many free maps and new games modes, I'm almost positive Left 4 Dead released with a 40USD pricetag. I have TF2, however I don't play it, but that game has been constantly updated with new content since release. I'd imagine Valve would follow suit with their other releases, keep the price low, add free content updates. You gotta remember they have to remain competitive. There are many titles with this kind of gameplay, some are free, some cost 30 bucks (HoN), I would think we wouldn't see anything over 40bucks. I mean good lord were you not alive when the Orange Box was released? Half-Life 2, HL2 Episode 1 and 2, TF2 and Portal all for 50 bucks. These guys will treat us right. I still love HoN and will continue to play it until something takes away that interest though.

Lastly, even though I've been sucking Valves dick for the length of this post, I remember when ATI Radeon 9800 were all the rage back before HL2 was released. Every card came with a voucher to receive one digital copy of HL2 when it was released. HL2 then went on to be delayed, Valve then sweetened the deal by not only giving us HL2 for free, but also HL2 Deathmatch, Counter-Strike: Source and also Day of Defeat: Source (and also HL1:Source but that came later) in other words, this company has never cheated me, in fact they are very generous and one of the last respectable PC game developers still around, respect Valve as you would your elders.

i agree, but think the purpose of the troll rant was to show all the people making the unjust comparison between LoL DLC ,which costs real money, and hons DLC which is free.

nice wall of text bro.

[Sullo]

I keep reading people talk about how Valve will charge for DLC. I don't think I've ever had to pay for any DLC for any Windows based Valve product.

Team Fortress 2.
Left for Dead 2.

[iggoms]

I don't like Icefag

I hate valve


I like DOTA.
I like Civ5.

[RUSty_]

I like Icefrog and s2

I hate valve


I like DOTA.
I like Civ5.
fixed for me.

[man_guy]

I'm almost positive Left 4 Dead released with a 40USD pricetag.Both L4D games released at $50, but was $45 if you pre-ordered.

[Player27]

Dota rocks and Dota 2 will rock more.

[sixxtoes]

Team Fortress 2.
Left for Dead 2.

neither of those dlc's cost money...?

[t9sniper]

neither of those dlc's cost money...?

l4d 2 had dlc you had to buy so did tf2

[sixxtoes]

l4d 2 had dlc you had to buy so did tf2

not for the PC they didn't. I have both and play both frequently, and have never spent anything on them other than the original purchase.

[sixxtoes]

I stand corrected, there was Garrys Mod for tf2. But all DLC's were free for L4D and L4D2.

[knowitall]

i'm trying to think of one Valve game that charged for DLC and i'm not coming up with anything.

[InSideR]

10/10 on my shi-o-meter

[Fenald]

Aeon of Strife

Hero wars.
hon is a copy of aeon of strive and hero wars.

Lol nvm 75% of the skills in the game are direct copies of dota skills the map is an almost exact duplicate 95% of items are copies (with or without tiny stat changes) all wc3 mechanics relevant to dota are copied and your mother is a whore.

You're like that white person who claims they're 1/18th cherokee.

You're white you dumb mother ****er look in the mirror.

[boomstickah]

Whatever, it'll be free to me. :D

[z0mbi]

i agree, but think the purpose of the troll rant was to show all the people making the unjust comparison between LoL DLC ,which costs real money, and hons DLC which is free.

nice wall of text bro.

Really? Because I didn't get that at all.

and thanks, I'm proud of it.

[Devourawr]

We call those people Dotards
LoL players call us HoNfags (check their forums)
We call LoL players anything we like, they're just kids that'll cry at anything.

[SouthGarden]

i am buying DOTA 2, huge icefrog fan

[Kasma]

Dota 2 will destroy Hon. I can't wait and I will log into hon just to see the server numbers drop from 30,000 + to under 10,000. LOL, its going to be EPIC. All that will be left is LoL and Dota 2, hon will die.

[RandomKnight]

hon is a copy of aeon of strive and hero wars.

Lol nvm 75% of the skills in the game are direct copies of dota skills the map is an almost exact duplicate 95% of items are copies (with or without tiny stat changes) all wc3 mechanics relevant to dota are copied and your mother is a whore.

You're like that white person who claims they're 1/18th cherokee.

You're white you dumb mother ****er look in the mirror.

He prolly meant that dota is a copy of aeon of strife <.< its the same as hon a copy!

[Ryuukun]

Oh look another S2Tard hating on DotA

[Torturer]

Every Pinoy I've seen so far flames on HoN and adores DotA2 because it will be free.

Can't wait till they actually find out the truth.

[chainest]

Oh look another S2Tard hating on DotA
oh look a troll made a new thread about dota

and all the icefrog fanboys / S2 fanboys gather to RAGE.

[Shen]

I lol'd. I haven't read through this thread ever since I posted it.

It was simply to watch the reactions from Both HoN and Dota fanboys. And it's amazingly pathetic.

[Frisbetarian]

Actually Aeon of Strife is an upgrade from a Starcraft mod called Custom Hero Wars. I believe CHW was the progenitor of this entire genre.

Sadly you will find very few or no references to it on the internet. BUT if you have a valid Starcraft account, you can sign in to battle net, go to custom maps, i believe Custom Hero Wars games are still being made. You should check it out, quite cool and unbalanced :P.

[NagiSoi]

Atealst you will be able to leave anytime and you will enjoy those 5vs5 when half of people are AI's , sounds so much fun, cant wait to preorder my DOTA 2!!!!

[Deeleted]

ITT: People not knowing DotA came after AoS

If you wanna get technical hero wars came before AoS as well.

[C00LBeans]

Dota 2 will be 60 EUR? Lol my ass.

If it will cost that much expect the first ever flop game from valve i assume, no idea if valve has had any flop games or not but i don't think so.

[doppelstern]

HoN will die since almost the entire competitive scene will move over to DotA2, where there will be more media coverage, bigger prizes, more recognition.

And what will HoN be without a competitive scene?

It will start off with the biggest names/clans. Then they will drop and go for DotA2, one by one, until there are none left.

Discuss.

[Quackstar]

Pretty much the only reason I might want to switch to DOTA2..

it's overrated tho.

[KeepSilence]

Oh look, it's this thread again.

[StyveHanter]

i made ur mother loose

loose =/= lose

[doppelstern]

loose =/= lose

Sorry, English isn't my native language so have mercy.

[ToastedSub]

dota2 will have lycan skeleton king and techies

[Bjornkloo]

0/10 for the attempt (: Dota2 will be crap

[doppelstern]

dota2 will have lycan skeleton king and techies

Also they will have doombringer and morphling.

[KeepSilence]

HoN already has :Doombringer:

[bolonypony]

i made ur mother loose

no no, this works too :)

[doppelstern]

HoN already has :Doombringer:

Idd, but I meant Doombringer as in the awesomest hero of all time, the only hero to counter every hero.

[Boet]

0/10 for the attempt (: Dota2 will be crap
Dota1 is awesome, Dota2 will be very similar except fix the chronic-leaving, add reconnect system, etc100x other things its own platform will fix.

Im going to play HoN and dota2 until I stick with whichever has a bigger funfactor and player-base

[Raycrash]

Dota2 is made by valve youve gotta wait until 2012 atleast to play the closed preorder beta ;)

[eQual3]

HoN already has :Doombringer:
he means the HERO http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HDZe8WbGaQo/Rq2D6E-a4xI/AAAAAAAAAK4/NQhBiggrM-4/s320/Doom+Bringer.jpg
also know as lucifer

[eQual3]

my reason to switch is
http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs49/f/2009/216/6/b/DotA___Nevermore_by_quickcement.jpg
this skin is just WIN

[Bloodspeaker]

The reason is one simple more heroes and quicker updates.

[Pixologic]

DOTA2 will be awsome and much better than hon but i think it will come out the next year or more...no updates since the the announcement day which means it will take a long time to be finished! So hon is still alive!!!

[Meshell]

Dota2 is made by valve youve gotta wait until 2012 atleast to play the closed preorder beta ;)

well, the world will have come to an end by that time anyway!

[doppelstern]

he means the HERO http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HDZe8WbGaQo/Rq2D6E-a4xI/AAAAAAAAAK4/NQhBiggrM-4/s320/Doom+Bringer.jpg
also know as lucifer

Pull em fukers in an doom em.

[Dvt]

loose

[doppelstern]

loose

I'd love to see you write fluid Swedish.

[Dvt]

I'd love to see you write fluid Swedish.

I can, but why would you? (Also unfortunate for you I do know how to speak and write fluent Swedish, but I do know what point you're making. Sometime's it's just fun poking at a typo every now and then. No need to take things so personally.)

[Devourawr]

When you're working with Valve, $100,000 tournaments can be pretty common.

So yeah, the HoN competetive scene will take a bit of a hit.
1400 comp teams anyone?

[doppelstern]

I can, but why would you? (Also unfortunate for you I do know how to speak and write fluent Swedish, but I do know what point you're making. Sometime's it's just fun poking at a typo every now and then. No need to take things so personally.)

Thought you were American. Swedish parents?

[Dvt]

Thought you were American. Swedish parents?

Negative. What's funny is I'm 100% Vietnamese. However born in America. So English is my primary language, Vietnamese being 2nd, 3rd being Swedish, and 4th (barely) being Spanish. I took up Swede (Don't laugh now) because I was so curious as to how Swedish players were so good in CS 1.6. And I was fascinated by famous Swede teams back then that I'd taken up some classes on how to speak / write it. However, I'm no expert, but I know enough to write / speak ''normally''. And Spanish, well, I know enough to ask for directions / basic questions and vocab lol. Yes, I know, I'm a huge nerd. A bit of my life for ya there. At one point I wanted to learn as many languages as Dolph Lundgren (He can FLUENTLY [and with expertise] speak 4 languages, including English.). However, I can only speak Vietnamese and English to that extent of formality. :(

Anyway not gonna derail this thread lol, there's a little bit of my life story for ya

[Mazinkaiser]

The competitive scene won't die as long as tourneys for HoN are still run. Even if all the top HoN teams leave, that'll just make that much easier for new people to become the NEW top teams and earn some money :D

[doppelstern]

The competitive scene won't die as long as tourneys for HoN are still run. Even if all the top HoN teams leave, that'll just make that much easier for new people to become the NEW top teams and earn some money :D

But who'll care about those tourneys when Valve most probably will counter this by placing DotA2 tourneys around the same time.

[LowRid3r`]

Do you notice something when you read:
"HoN will loose to Dota 2" ?

[Midnightoil]

he means the HERO http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HDZe8WbGaQo/Rq2D6E-a4xI/AAAAAAAAAK4/NQhBiggrM-4/s320/Doom+Bringer.jpg
also know as lucifer
You mean the hero taht never ever is playing in competitive DotA because of his ult, and still Icefrog never tries to make him actually not OP, great job

[eQual3]

You mean the hero taht never ever is playing in competitive DotA because of his ult, and still Icefrog never tries to make him actually not OP, great job
:devo:
replace icefrog with s2

[greedyf0x]

Negative. What's funny is I'm 100% Vietnamese. However born in America. So English is my primary language, Vietnamese being 2nd, 3rd being Swedish, and 4th (barely) being Spanish. I took up Swede (Don't laugh now) because I was so curious as to how Swedish players were so good in CS 1.6. And I was fascinated by famous Swede teams back then that I'd taken up some classes on how to speak / write it. However, I'm no expert, but I know enough to write / speak ''normally''. And Spanish, well, I know enough to ask for directions / basic questions and vocab lol. Yes, I know, I'm a huge nerd. A bit of my life for ya there. At one point I wanted to learn as many languages as Dolph Lundgren (He can FLUENTLY [and with expertise] speak 4 languages, including English.). However, I can only speak Vietnamese and English to that extent of formality. :(

Anyway not gonna derail this thread lol, there's a little bit of my life story for ya

0/10

[Dr_Muto]

Dunno why mods took this down. But here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCdQX483lPM

This was spread through hella popular websites like throneit and nadota.














Mods, pm me the reason why your taking it down or ima just keep reposting.

Replying on here then deleting it so i cant read your response isnt a very good idea neither.

[chaR`]

u mad kid

[TheRedRager]

Better video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk32tJJ_VNM

[dohlf]

Idk, half of the lines are an exact copy of this video posted a while ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg

Not very original imo.

[Dr_Muto]

Better video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk32tJJ_VNM

So everyone now acknowledges my awesome pro fking support nymphora. good to know. :D

[Dr_Muto]

Bump

[AuraofMana]

The video isn't even entertaining... and I don't understand why you feel the need to post the video again after mods deleted your thread. Does wasting other people's time with a shitty video make you happy or something?

[Fenald]

He prolly meant that dota is a copy of aeon of strife <.< its the same as hon a copy!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3353/3339274641_35247975eb.jpg


Is a copy of

http://www.johnnyg.westhost.com/cwg75-flint-lock-musket-s.JPG

[Dumi420]

downvoted all your dream heroes for this post

[bobbysnobby]

people who have hon get 15 dollars off dota 2 though

[RoyalRumble]

well i dont care how much dota 2 costs... i will buy it because i regret wasting my money on hon... thanks to the latest patch gg s2

[Killocity]

Team Fortress 2.
Left for Dead 2.

Don't play L4D2, but play TF2 a lot.

The only things you pay for are extra items that you can find by playing the game anyway?
If anything, it's a more efficient system than HoN offers - you play for a while, and eventually you'll randomly pick up some item/hat/tag/colour/crate that you can use/craft/trade. You're not forced to buy it in order to keep playing the game with everyone else.

That's what is meant by the original argument of this - DLC you have to pay for that will allow you to play with 100% of players. Think of PS3 games with map packs, like CoD or Resistance. If you don't buy the map packs, you don't play with other people that have the map packs. Hence, you're not playing with 100% of the people. Games from Valve, like TF2, all the necessary updates are provided free. You will always be playing with 100% of the people who patched the latest version - which should be everyone playing legally.

Also, no-one take the 'TF2 having a better system than HoN' comment the wrong way. It's completely different - HoN doesn't have a million different items to customise the smallest part of heroes. I was just showing that HoN rewards playing WELL. TF2 simply has occasional, decent to pointless awards for simply playing.

[Jiub]

people who have hon get 15 dollars off dota 2 though

too bad s2 isnt stupid enough to set that up, valve would have literally everyone in hon's business

EDIT: Unless.... what if s2 decided to just cut their losses with hon? No one has to pay monthly so theoretically they won't lose too much money, plus they could just take all their servers down! Granted it would be the death of the company but hell, for all the money valve would make from HoN players, maybe they could cut a deal to be absorbed by valve!

Haha interesting speculation.

[ViperThunder]

I play DotA still and I like it.
I don't think I'll be playing DotA 2 immediately, though. HoN satisfies me greatly :-)

[Syllab]

Aeon of Strife

Hero wars.
Yeah those two were so wildly popular and remembered that HoN would have come to be without dota.

[Lasagna]

neither of those dlc's cost money...? yez but valve put the man co store into tf2, giving people who bought things an advantage.

[Pellikan]

HoN 3 will own Dota 4, discuss.

[Killocity]

HoN 3 will own Dota 4, discuss.

HoN 3 had balancing issues

HoN 12 owned DotA 9 though - although it was Heroes of Olderth by that time.

Yep. I'm from the future.

[tzason]

Wait, what?

dis dick.

[Pellikan]

HoN 3 had balancing issues

HoN 12 owned DotA 9 though - although it was Heroes of Olderth by that time.

Yep. I'm from the future.

Dota 19 > DotA 9.

[Gorb]

Chances are I will buy DoTA 2 and rape my friends.
Video games incite violence.

You heard it here first, folks.

(stupid topic is stupid, locked)

[Ashbringer]

This was a post i wrote responding to another thread but i thought wow this has a lot of truth behind it why not give it it's own thread :S? Please dont troll me. give me your INTELLIGENT replies why you would think HoN or Dota2 is better i mean u cant even have that sorta argument yet. but i can state these following fact's because this is the truth lol.


"trolling complete. screw ice frog and screw valve also. s2 has myyy heart and my moneyyyyyyyyy :D i would much rather play with some pro's then Dota2 the sc2 of RTS and deal with a bunch of noobs LOL you think this game is full of baddies... wait till you deal with a mainstream title and the million + 12 year old's with it, and little next to no interaction with the developers unless you got like chu status and even then valve doesnt care.

I have never had much of an interaction with any person's related to any game i play. This is the 1st and i am greatly pleased with how s2 runs it's company and treats it's player base.... you kiddies again lol i am was trollen about dota2. is going to be cool yes? better? thats all up to your personal preference same thing like LoL. ide rather play a game by a company that made a game for player's to move the genre. Not a company trying to suck this game genre like a vampire. you people have no idea who gabe is or what he has planned.
you can call me a nerd because i am a closet nerd lol. but i enjoy great games and this is by far one of the best 30$ investments into my free time ever. this game give's me so much pleasure that i as i stated earlier in this thread over 200$.

This is not Blizzard/Valve/Activision/EA this is a INDIE game company and yet these fine people from s2 take there time to deal with our mundane nerd talk and trash talk and raging. any other game i am pretty sure i woulda been permabanned for my mouth xD WHICH i have realized and started trying to tune down my trolling. Again Dota and Dota 2 will be something completely different and no one knows what its going to be like but i what i know is this game give's me immense pleasure in my free time and the devo's have won me over as a fan :D."



-written in my jacuzzi sorry for any spelling mistake's/grammar i am on the moon atm ;).

[Eonx]

:mali:

[FiveChip]

dota2 isnt out yet so cant make that judgment. but im sure it will be a good game.

Although like you stated S2 gives so much to the community and it gets taken for granted. kinda like that book about the tree.

i peed in your jacuzzi

[Piercetech]

this guy can barley speak english nevermind have a valid opinion

[movEment_]

And you didn't write the last line just to show off... You were really concerned about your grammar.

[McLovin]

fail thread is fail, ur title fails

you say dota2 = joke, but you talk about how s2 is a small company and interacts with the community

that still doesn't show how it fails, you ask people to give an intellegent reply, yet your attempt to show that dota2=joke is a complete failure

thanks

[Weasleface]

agreed, I'd rather just keep playing HoN than spend 30+ bucks on another game that I will have to learn before i even get pleasure out of it.

S2 has my vote and my money, I spent $30 on coins because this game was only $30 and I feel that its worth more than $100 with all the constant updates and hero releases.

[Rordarok]

S2 is probably the only company that listens and interacts with his community this well. Even with all the hate they get, they still keep on upgrading the best game I've so far bought.

[Ashbringer]

dota2 isnt out yet so cant make that judgment. but im sure it will be a good game.

Although like you stated S2 gives so much to the community and it gets taken for granted. kinda like that book about the tree.

i peed in your jacuzzi

rule 8 is broken here lol over 1600 and under 1.0 kdr. your opinion doesnt mattter to me :D? maybe to s2 or the community. but you lost me with the troll icon your fail attempt to give me a intelligent reply and then you say you pissed in my jacuzzi. you make my game suck. gtfo of here troll.

again 90% of troll's in this game are retarded kid's and dont know how to troll lol.

*let me spout some random garbage and see if i can troll* what you did in the end was look like an idiot.



And you didn't write the last line just to show off... You were really concerned about your grammar.


i can troll 2 i am glad u buy and photoshop icons and stuff and ride collinthetanks wang lol but suck my pudding pop bro.

and this is the sad part of this game. jelly idiot's are idiots.

[Ayevee]

Dota2 will not start off better then HoN, but I think it'll grow to become better then HoN in a year or so.

[Jufes]

if DOTA2 has some sort of matchmaking filter system, or banlist implementation into matchmaking,

HON is done for.

[Ashbringer]

if DOTA2 has some sort of matchmaking filter system, or banlist implementation into matchmaking,

HON is done for.

idk about that but i know for a fact it will have a player base of 12-18 year old kids :D?



And you didn't write the last line just to show off... You were really concerned about your grammar.


ohhh haiiii broooooo

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v123/123/30/616113518/n616113518_116516_5485.jpg

[BigUnit]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v123/123/30/616113518/n616113518_116516_5485.jpg[/QUOTE]

LOL

[Jufes]

idk about that but i know for a fact it will have a player base of 12-18 year old kids :D?





ohhh haiiii broooooo

ya but even if it was nothing but pre-teens, you would be able to ban them and never hafto play with that same person again,

how ****in sweet would that be?

or how about filtering countries that you dont want to play with?

ect ect.

guarantee'd those features would make people leave hon for DOTA2.

Currently HON's biggest issue is everyone hating the ****in game and MM because they cant avoid griefers and feeders.

They can either solve this by implementing filters / banlists, or by allowing coins in public games,

neither of which they will do, so the HON gamers are left extremely frustrated and annoyed and just waiting for a better system to come out.


one of my buddies actually quit HON yesterday because he just couldnt handle matchmaking with noobs anymore.

[BigUnit]

ya but even if it was nothing but pre-teens, you would be able to ban them and never hafto play with that same person again,

how ****in sweet would that be?

or how about filtering countries that you dont want to play with?

ect ect.

guarantee'd those features would make people leave hon for DOTA2.

Currently HON's biggest issue is everyone hating the ****in game and MM because they cant avoid griefers and feeders.

They can either solve this by implementing filters / banlists, or by allowing coins in public games,

neither of which they will do, so the HON gamers are left extremely frustrated and annoyed and just waiting for a better system to come out.

unless the communities speaks's to them they will not know what to fix thank you for stating this.

[SouthGarden]

wait, you are saying that a joke>S2? awesome....

[Phase1Skeith]

It's not even close to being released so I really can't tell.
I will check DotA2 out definetly and see how it works out.

[Piercetech]

obvious troll is obvious, mods delete this garbage

[Jacky]

Vavle games always have a great community, and they always have small teams working on different games. Every game I've played of Vavles has always had a great community feeling.


We have no idea what dota 2 will be like. What we do know is that it will be good. Better than HoN? Time will tell.

[Fedora_]

DotA2 will undoubtedly be huge, and to your comment about baddies, I played LoL for 8 months, GG.

[Ashur]

Fact 1: People are stupid
Fact 2: We don't know ANYTHING about dota 2, it might even be worse than dota, we simply don't know
Fact 3: Everyone will buy dota 2 regardless if it's good or not because this is valve we're talking about, it will be on a 75% discount in 3 months
Fact 4: In the worst of the worst case scenario, HoN can always go F2P and trump LoL's market with a higher quality game = HoN won't die, not for a good amount of time

[rickster]

People who praise DotA 2 are foolish.

People who praise S2 are also foolish.

[Ashbringer]

ya but even if it was nothing but pre-teens, you would be able to ban them and never hafto play with that same person again,

how ****in sweet would that be?

or how about filtering countries that you dont want to play with?

ect ect.

guarantee'd those features would make people leave hon for DOTA2.

Currently HON's biggest issue is everyone hating the ****in game and MM because they cant avoid griefers and feeders.

They can either solve this by implementing filters / banlists, or by allowing coins in public games,

neither of which they will do, so the HON gamers are left extremely frustrated and annoyed and just waiting for a better system to come out.


one of my buddies actually quit HON yesterday because he just couldnt handle matchmaking with noobs anymore.

in MM you need friends. i do think s2 needs to separate TMM and SMM


People who praise DotA 2 are foolish.

People who praise S2 are also foolish.

i think you have that wrong pal people who praise thing's are considered fan's. I AM A FAN! not a fool some times fan's support the team through the bad and the good. because we know that they arent really trying to let us down :).



Fact 1: People are stupid
Fact 2: We don't know ANYTHING about dota 2, it might even be worse than dota, we simply don't know
Fact 3: Everyone will buy dota 2 regardless if it's good or not because this is valve we're talking about, it will be on a 75% discount in 3 months
Fact 4: In the worst of the worst case scenario, HoN can always go F2P and trump LoL's market with a higher quality game = HoN won't die, not for a good amount of time


i think this is the most intelligent thing thus far.

[KissMuA]

DotA2 will undoubtedly be huge, and to your comment about baddies, I played LoL for 8 months, GG.

dota2 2012

[SouthGarden]

time will tell, bro.... I am quite confident of what Icefrog is capable of achieving

[Jufes]

in MM you need friends. i do think s2 needs to separate TMM and SMM


regardless, even if you have a team of 4,

there is a huge possibility that the fifth pub will be on your banlist / not speak english / be a feeder / griefer.

which frustrates everyone in the game to the point where they dont want to play anymore.

[Ashbringer]

regardless, even if you have a team of 4,

there is a huge possibility that the fifth pub will be on your banlist / not speak english / be a feeder / griefer.

which frustrates everyone in the game to the point where they dont want to play anymore.

you want a company to make a match making for a game genre witch is just blossoming and have it be 100% without any testing. wow kids will be kids. there are so many stats being looked at and recorded its going to be a few more months till MM is I dont want to say "perfect" but heading towards the right direction.

[SouthGarden]

you want a company to make a match making for a game genre witch is just blossoming and have it be 100% without any testing. wow kids will be kids.
err...how old are you?

[Ashbringer]

err...how old are you?

23 thanks.

[Rordarok]

Comparing unmature, raging, whiny, QQing persons with 'kids' makes me want to vomit. All those deep low voices on team VOIP ranting 'suck up' and 'GTFO scumbag' are just children with throat problems then?

[Hurfdurf]

I don't see myself giving up on HoN until S2 does. They've already proved they can come up with really fun/interesting concepts with Chipper, Moraxus and Myrmidon to just name a few... I'm sure people will disagree, so don't bother quoting this with "ZOMG THIS DOTA HERO IS SO MUCH BETTER" or "THEY JUST COPIED THIS CONCEPT FROM X GAME".

Also, HoN would stomp LoL out of the market if it went free to play.

[Jufes]

you want a company to make a match making for a game genre witch is just blossoming and have it be 100% without any testing. wow kids will be kids. there are so many stats being looked at and recorded its going to be a few more months till MM is i dont want to say "perfect" but heading towards the right way.


I didnt say I wanted anything from any company, your losing the argument and just getting frustrated now,

the initial argument was that if DOTA2 has these features, then HON will die,

that is a fact.

the fact that people have no choice in who they play with is detrimental, especially to a genre of this type.

[Ashbringer]

I didnt say I wanted anything from any company, your losing the argument and just getting frustrated now,

the initial argument was that if DOTA2 has these features, then HON will die,

that is a fact.

the fact that people have no choice in who they play with is detrimental, especially to a genre of this type.

you are right that was a bit of a troll post. but then again people think this icefrog is a god. he didnt make dota he took the idea sold it to RIOT S2 and VALVE what makes you think he cares about DOTA2? this guy will sleep with any one for a quick buck. he is making money off a friggen custom map. that he didn't create in the first place. icefrog is a scumbag and so is gabe. you dont know the gaming industry/who is who and there history im guessing. all people know is some guy named ice frog updated there favorite custom map for wc3 and didnt do a bad job. but who even says he balanced them him self? he was never present at any tourneys really or played the game on a competitive level. IceFrog=Scam artist.

[rickster]

because we know that they arent really trying to let us down :)

Can't you say that about a lot of companies though? Can't you say IceFrog doesn't want to let us down?

Can't you say even though S2 doesn't want to let us down, they do anyways with their broken promises, or poorly thought out decisions (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=207046)? Just because their heart is in the right place, doesn't mean they should get a free pass or extra praise.

[KissMuA]

i like HoN

http://bbs.replays.net/avatars/upload/131/6554/1310826.jpg

[Jufes]

icefrog or not,

all these types games have the same basic gaming concept, and any one of them can be played competatively,

what seperates them is the item composition in-game, and the features outside-game.

the one that kills the others will be the one with features that people want and more unique customizeable item builds.

[Ashbringer]

i like HoN

http://bbs.replays.net/avatars/upload/131/6554/1310826.jpg

im glad you do :) i like hon also :).


dbz is a classic anime.

[Rordarok]

Comparing unmature, raging, whiny, QQing persons with 'kids' makes me want to vomit. All those deep low voices on team VOIP ranting 'suck up' and 'GTFO scumbag' are just children with throat problems then?

Anyone care to?

[Ashbringer]

Anyone care to?

dude i am telling you this forum is so easy to troll bro you just have to post some bait and real in the idiot troll's and proceed to reverse troll them i use to do that. this thread is serious business though :P a lot of bad troll's tried to dump on my thread but i sent them out the door.

[Rordarok]

I know how easy it is to troll/get trolled on this forum. The only thing that bothers me is the ignorance that people show by calling every type of player I mentioned above as a 'kid'. Is that some sort of protective shield 'mature' and specifically adults use to make themselves look more important because they were born 5 years earlier?

[Ashbringer]

I know how easy it is to troll/get trolled on this forum. The only thing that bothers me is the ignorance that people show by calling every type of player I mentioned above as a 'kid'. Is that some sort of protective shield 'mature' and specifically adults use to make themselves look more important because they were born 5 years earlier?

dude i have learned once you get to the 1900+ psr games u dont troll the other team. i was playing with 2 of my friends pash and eis. 2000+ psr 1800+ mmr. no sht talking amongst pro's really. i even told the other team nice gank's wp GG. when you are playing people with you own maturity and skill level you will know when some one deserved to dump on you and when u deserved to dump on them in a team fight. that alone. what i mean by dump btw is outplaying and winning fights. that feeling is greater then any amount of trolling could give me.

if you rage because u got outplayed and proceed to talk smack you are a kid and need to grow up. there is 60 year old kid's lol. if you act like a kid you must be a kid there for i will call you a kid.

[MrCosgrove]

im glad you do :) i like hon also :).


dbz is a classic anime.
wassup kiddo? :)

that taken aside, yes S2 did an amazing job creating this game,
but if dota2 comes out and only half of the confirmed things are true dota2 will be awesomesauce
even more then hon could ever get to

also you are crying about the dota2 player base that will be garbage etc.
but hon's player base is not a bit better and if you are stuck on the lower psr levels games tend to suck, if you get to the higher brackets it becomes enjoyable, or at least it was, but mm did a great jobat pulling all the noobs out of their holes ...

other then that you are not a fan but a brainless fanboy and yeah, there is a difference.
i got to repeat it: S2 really did an amazing job and all they have done sooo many stupid things aswell, not fixying certain bugs for ages, leaving heroes at a very broken state (though they seem to get the hang of it a bit, still some heroes are w8ing for their nerf :thun:)

and just one last question have you played dota before hon or not?
and if you played for how long?

[c1ox]

S2 is probably the only company that listens and interacts with his community this well. Even with all the hate they get, they still keep on upgrading the best game I've so far bought.

Valve @ CSS, but stfu newfag.

[Ashbringer]

wassup kiddo? :)

that taken aside, yes S2 did an amazing job creating this game,
but if dota2 comes out and only half of the confirmed things are true dota2 will be awesomesauce
even more then hon could ever get to

also you are crying about the dota2 player base that will be garbage etc.
but hon's player base is not a bit better and if you are stuck on the lower psr levels games tend to suck, if you get to the higher brackets it becomes enjoyable, or at least it was, but mm did a great jobat pulling all the noobs out of their holes ...

other then that you are not a fan but a brainless fanboy and yeah, there is a difference.
i got to repeat it: S2 really did an amazing job and all they have done sooo many stupid things aswell, not fixying certain bugs for ages, leaving heroes at a very broken state (though they seem to get the hang of it a bit, still some heroes are w8ing for their nerf :thun:)

and just one last question have you played dota before hon or not?
and if you played for how long?

never played dota at any sorta pro level. i messed around with dota cash and my fav hero was PA xD..... i know i know... played for about a year loved dota thought it was the best thing to hit RTS since Dawn of War 2. then i heard about hon got into the beta and dropped it like a ton of bricks. LOL i love how shtty hon troll's are. I am talking about the player base for a valve/steam game because i have and still play CS:S and other games on STEAM. you know how many Grievers/kids/cheaters are in those games lol.... nice fail troll.

[iMurder]

you want a company to make a match making for a game genre witch is just blossoming and have it be 100% without any testing. wow kids will be kids. there are so many stats being looked at and recorded its going to be a few more months till MM is I dont want to say "perfect" but heading towards the right direction.

I swear to god I'm not even trolling but why do you not know how to write coherent sentences.

[Quackstar]

DOTA2 will be an exact clone but with a larger community.

[Ashbringer]

I swear to god I'm not even trolling but why do you not know how to write coherent sentences.

because lol you asked and now i am going to be trolled for stating this "more cool stroy bro's" . i smoke a fat blunt and Proceed to go to work on kids in this game. im a lil under the influence when i usually post on the forums because lol i come here for lols and fun. this forum inst my job. but thanks for brining that to my attention ill try and sound less like a retard in my posts and proof read them :D thats what i do in my spare time. i am at home from the office snowed in. i am listening to music, talking to the HoN community and relaxing.

[Tyion]

Wait up , read forum , reviews , maybe buy it maybe not

1 thing is for sure , when dota2 is released , HoNs community will be WAY better.

[MrCosgrove]

never played dota at any sorta pro level. i messed around with dota cash and my fav hero was PA xD..... i know i know... played for about a year loved dota thought it was the best thing to hit RTS since Dawn of War 2. then i heard about hon got into the beta and dropped it like a ton of bricks.
from your comments i guessed something like that,
only a year of dota isn't even enough time to get into half the heroes properly :P
from my experience when i quitted dota and comparing to hon right now
dota was overall more fun due to more interesting heroes and the huge amount of heroes to chose from,
the only reason i quited dota was because of the permanent delay, no reconnection and no bindable hotkeys (didn't know about warkeys b then) and a bit because of the graphics

also to your talking about icefrog,
without his doing dota wouldn't be where it is right now, icefrog did a huge overhaul to the map and he managed to balance the map to a certain extend. you can't know how much he did alone and how much help he got, but dota allstars was really his creation, esp. if you comprend the early dota versions with what it is now
also, but this is only my opinion, icefrogs newer hero creation are far more fun then S2's homebrewd creations
heroes like huskar, tauren chieftain, bat rider, and dirge are so more satisfying to play then most of S2's newer creations

and there are no griefers, idiots and 'cheaters' in here? god hon has one of the most awefull communities ever (not that it would bother me) and you really think it will be worse in the valve release? xD

also nice how you call everyone a troll who doesn't agree with you, you are my prime eyample for matureness :)

[iMurder]

because lol you asked and now i am going to be trolled for stating this "more cool stroy bro's" . i smoke a fat blunt and Proceed to go to work on kids in this game. im a lil under the influence when i usually post on the forums because lol i come here for lols and fun. this forum inst my job. but thanks for brining that to my attention ill try and sound less like a retard in my posts and proof read them :D thats what i do in my spare time. i am at home from the office snowed in. i am listening to music, talking to the HoN community and relaxing.

I suppose that could be an acceptable reason? Again, I'm not trolling you, I'm actually just advising you to sound less like an incoherent idiot if you want anyone on this forum to view you as otherwise.

[Ashbringer]

from your comments i guessed something like that,
only a year of dota isn't even enough time to get into half the heroes properly :P
from my experience when i quitted dota and comparing to hon right now
dota was overall more fun due to more interesting heroes and the huge amount of heroes to chose from,
the only reason i quited dota was because of the permanent delay, no reconnection and no bindable hotkeys (didn't know about warkeys b then) and a bit because of the graphics

also to your talking about icefrog,
without his doing dota wouldn't be where it is right now, icefrog did a huge overhaul to the map and he managed to balance the map to a certain extend. you can't know how much he did alone and how much help he got, but dota allstars was really his creation, esp. if you comprend the early dota versions with what it is now
also, but this is only my opinion, icefrogs newer hero creation are far more fun then S2's homebrewd creations
heroes like huskar, tauren chieftain, bat rider, and dirge are so more satisfying to play then most of S2's newer creations

dont get me wrong i know those heroes i like tc's duplication bufff thing with the aoe pound and added damage that guy was crazy good. i played bat rider. i played invoker. i have a pretty good understanding of dota heroes. will i try dota2 sure you bet. but you have no idea who gabe is and what kind of company he runs and what that game will turn into. popular yes. full of kids 1000% yes. ide rather stay here with the average age of 20.


LOL you are turning into a shtty troll kid. you can have a different opinion lol. but dont be like your opinion is retarded *proceeds to troll*. im just stating facts im not calling people dotards or anything like that. ill have to ignore you soon on the forums. yes i like my opinion better because its my opinion. I even stated i wanted intelligent responses which you gave me with a bit of some troll flair.thanks you had some valid points? but what makes you think your opinion is any more valid then mine :).

[Testingrani]

Although HoN is the current industry standard in the Dota genre, a lot of people expect that Dota 2 will be the standard when it comes out.

And you can't blame them.
Dota 2 is expected to have the marketing power of LoL (advertising, STEAM promotions) and the polish of HoN since it is made by Valve.

But then again, these are all still expectations.
You can't pass judgement till the game is out.

[LwShieN]

Don't need to fight about this..
I played DotA for many years and was a great fan of it for a long time. Started playing when Guinsoo made Dota All Stars and when it got famous and until Ice Frog took over right until the point HoN came about..
The reason I decided to move to HoN was because my cousins and friends moved to HoN and so I gave it a try

After experiencing better graphics, less leavers, stats and PSR, I couldn't go back to DotA..

With DotA2 on the horizon and tackling the issues that made DotA weak in the first place, I am certain that Dota2 will be impressive, I have seen the updates that IceFrog does on DotA and he is very detailed, always balancing, always finding ways to make the game balance and perfect while adding new heroes and further balancing it (from my experience as a DotA player)

As for S2, they are fans of DotA and loved the game and so with IceFrog's permission decided to form heroes of newerth and they did an awesome job with it.. Implementing the DotA feel for the game and making it their own at the same time, unlike LoL which I find is stupid =P.

Anywho, DotA2 will be amazing, with better graphics and better engine, we will see who comes up on top, Valve is a big company which means they have more funds to host better servers? (less lag issues like the kinds we find at USE I presume) not to mention the player base that Dota has which is their advantage at the moment..

I am a fan of HoN (purchased their coins as well to show my support because S2 does a good job) but definitely will be a fan of DotA2 when it comes out because IceFrog is leading the way and his attention to detail is amazing ..

[Saria]

Steam cloud integration, steam friends, groups, promotions and that is just on the steam base. Dota 2 will have a lot more heroes and with better art as far their concept art shown,having someone replace you when you want to leave or replace, bots for training/etc.
Its just so many features that will set dota 2 apart from hon, and i doubt the matchmaking will be worse.

[Dyzfunkshun]

The word 'Troll' is thrown around far too frequently.

Without trying to get into it too much, forums are about different people providing their own thoughts on topics, I don't understand why all positive friendly posts are fine, but all negative or hostile posts are labeled as trolls and then rated on their success of trolling?

To each their own I suppose.

[Servok]

Personally I believe alot of people will just play both when dota2 (possibly in the next 3 years) comes out. There will be some cases where people will miss heroes like puppet, myrm and chipper, so they will come play HoN for a bit. But then there will be times you'll want to play DoTa2 heroes and will play that. Or complain about the community and go back and forth since that is how some people judge a game.

Too say one is better than the other is as hard of a call as any to make, since the other hasn't been released yet. Personally I'll most likely play both since my friends will. Thats my 2 cents.

[Ashbringer]

some quality posts here people! thanks you! i just had to weed out the trolls is all.



The word 'Troll' is thrown around far too frequently.

Without trying to get into it too much, forums are about different people providing their own thoughts on topics, I don't understand why all positive friendly posts are fine, but all negative or hostile posts are labeled as trolls and then rated on their success of trolling?

To each their own I suppose.

one can state his own opinion without calling the other a retard or insight a fight. like you did there and the person below you. those are quality posts.

[facedown]

Please Read community. Dota2=joke

You guys got trolled.

[Gizzleby]

You clearly don't know that there is interaction between icefrog and the DotA community, so why not with the DotA 2 community? Just because its Valve? Valve is Icefrogs tool and he can do whatever he wants, I'm sure.

[Ashbringer]

You clearly don't know that there is interaction between icefrog and the DotA community, so why not with the DotA 2 community? Just because its Valve? Valve is Icefrogs tool and he can do whatever he wants, I'm sure.

you have never heard or met of gabe have you? he probably has Icefrog on a tight leash. you also dont know that fellow valve employe's think icefrog is a scam artist and should not be considered a developer in there eyes. they have stated many times he is a jack ass and none of them enjoy working with icefrog. you guys are right. you know more people then i do. I don't know any one. i just make these uneducated guesses. i dont have a few half-life devo's as friends on my steam account same with this game i dont have any s2 friends. i dont have mspudding icon that only one other person has you guys are right. i am some dumb noob troll lol

[LwShieN]

Although HoN is the current industry standard in the Dota genre, a lot of people expect that Dota 2 will be the standard when it comes out.

And you can't blame them.
Dota 2 is expected to have the marketing power of LoL (advertising, STEAM promotions) and the polish of HoN since it is made by Valve.

But then again, these are all still expectations.
You can't pass judgement till the game is out.


100% agree with this statement.. If DotA2 can meet expectations, they will surpass HoN and LoL due to the fact that they have the marketing power and the resources..

Dota seems to be bigger in the asian regions as compared to HoN which seems to be bigger in the european and american regions? .. let's see what happens =D

[LiChE]

from your comments i guessed something like that,
only a year of dota isn't even enough time to get into half the heroes properly :P

learning/recognizing all of the heroes doesn't take a year unless you have serious mental/learning detriments

[Delirium6]

Dota 2 will probably be a great game, its Valve after all. But I don't expect it until 2012 at the least. The community will probably be the same as HoN's. People complaining about shitty players here expecting Dota 2 to be different are in for a surprise. Same for the people who say that S2 is going to slow with hero development. Valve will take months to release a new hero or item. Also for the people saying that Dota 2 won't have a cash shop, have you seen TF2 lately?

[Ashbringer]

Dota 2 will probably be a great game, its Valve after all. But I don't expect it until 2012 at the least. The community will probably be the same as HoN's. People complaining about shitty players here expecting Dota 2 to be different are in for a surprise. Same for the people who say that S2 is going to slow with hero development. Valve will take months to release a new hero or item. Also for the people saying that Dota 2 won't have a cash shop, have you seen TF2 lately?

i agree, hopefully by the time dota2 comes out hon will have a fighting chance :D. yea these kids dont know valve. loled @ the tf2 reference.

[Radiohead]

Fact 4: In the worst of the worst case scenario, HoN can always go F2P and trump LoL's market with a higher quality game = HoN won't die, not for a good amount of time
If HoN goes F2P I'll stop playing.