The OFFICIAL DOTA2 Thread

[Diablo``]

hon seems to be better in any possible way imo

edit: only thing about dota2 I am really interested in are the cool gamemodes like wtf etc.

[Proletariat]

There nothing really wrong with it except for the ugly hero design, ugly animations, ugly skill effects, ugly cartoon graphics, ugly UI and horrible meta game.

HoN has every thing over this game as of right now. There is no reason to switch over to DotA 2 when we got a better game right here...

For you. Everything you called ugly, is a subjective call. So sure, don't transfer over if you actually think that. We will enjoy it without you.

[Skyve]

Wow, that Razor nuke expands really slowly, CD's is much faster, isn't it?

[JellySmelly]

check my post few pages ago.

Hero list available for CM

Hero List:

1- Earthshaker
2- Clockwerk
3- Morphling
4- Vengeful Spirit
5- Crystal Maiden
6- Lion
7- Pugna
8- Ancient Apparition
9- Lich
10- Weaver
11- Windrunner
12- Shadow Fiend
13- Spectre
14- Enigma
15- Venomancer
16- Doom
17- Witch Doctor
18- Tidehunter
19- Enchantress
20- Puck
21- Chen
22- Lina
23- Storm Spirit
24- Beastmaster
25- Furion
26- Razor
27- Necrolyte
28- Dazzle
29- Nightstalker
30- Sven
31- Leshrac
32- Sniper
33- Tinker
34- Sandking
35- Rhasta
36- Anti Mage
37- Dark Seer
38- Pudge
39- Drow Ranger
40- Slardar
41- Mirana
42- Zeus
43- Tiny
44- Faceless Void
45- Axe
46- Viper



Another spoiler for popular heroes that arent in the game yet even in AP yet.

Most of the popular heroes are in there, with exceptions:

- Silencer
- Lycan
- Syllabear
- Invoker
- Visage
- Batrider

[Scoobings]

Did you guys know, that the camera following the players is an AI? Get it? No more missed first bloods, kills or epicness. I am amazed by the accuracy of this thing.

Also, Storm Spirits ultimate is eye candy.

That's pretty impressive, I didn't know that.

[Shadeward]

Wow, that Razor nuke expands really slowly, CD's is much faster, isn't it?

Yes.

Kind of like Pudge's hook is much faster in HoN.

[Shinra_tensi]

i wonder how its possible to get so many retards under the same forum...

Dota2 is in alpha stage. its not even in beta. spell animation gfx texture hero looks colouring and the rest of all the effects will be implemented in the game in time. release date for dota2 GOLD will be around june 2012... that leaves about 8 months of beta testing that starts in about 8 days. so please start using the gift that god gave humans "the brain" and stop complaining about something that is not finnished...

and by my standard this game is ****in epic "dota2" and it will rock my world and many more after this tourney

[Skyve]

Yeah, or Bubbles Shellsurf.

[Ishmeister]

Here you can read about the AI camera: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/jmf4s/dota_2s_ai_camera/

And here is source:
http://blog.dota2.com/2011/08/tournament-website-is-up/

I think this game is greater than what really meets the eye...

[Indie__]

WHAT THE HELL IS WITH MEXISTORM SPIRIT!?
Hoe is ugggllyyy
I mean seriously... His model is so tiny too... So weird.

[_Slick]

i wonder how its possible to get so many retards under the same forum...

Dota2 is in alpha stage. its not even in beta. spell animation gfx texture hero looks colouring and the rest of all the effects will be implemented in the game in time. release date for dota2 GOLD will be around june 2012... that leaves about 8 months of beta testing that starts in about 8 days. so please start using the gift that god gave humans "the brain" and stop complaining about something that is not finnished...

and by my standard this game is ****in epic "dota2" and it will rock my world and many more after this tourney

it is in beta, after the turnament they will relese invitations 2 closed beta

[MonkeyTilt]

whats up with all those CD Kraken (Razor- Tide) laning togheter in trilanes. Ive seen it like 3 times and i dont think its a good idea, they keep fighting for farm

Also I wanted to ask some dota player, why the hell yesterday a team used Sad King as a solo in the long lane, that was very weird for me, he got raped ofc.

Oh and Why is SW a MID and why do they use Magebane haha

[FastNoobGo]

You people just need small time things to complain about constantly, don't you?

DotA 2 wins.

[LonJAXsoN]

Shadow shaman concept with the two rods is awesome...

[SoulCrusher]

Tide is not Kraken and thus doesn't need any items.

Sandking is used as a counter to Broodmother, there is no reason to solo him otherwise, so I can't really answer.

[Lucifer]

graphics wise heroes, hero movement, creeps, spells, towers, interface are all better in hon
dota 2 has better background / ground / trees / water

i also think the minimap in Dota 2 is too detailed - need to be able to see important stuff faster and more easily IMO

but none of this really matters much - definitely won't stop me from playing the beta and probably buying it later

[JellySmelly]

whats up with all those CD Kraken (Razor- Tide) laning togheter in trilanes. Ive seen it like 3 times and i dont think its a good idea, they keep fighting for farm

Also I wanted to ask some dota player, why the hell yesterday a team used Sad King as a solo in the long lane, that was very weird for me, he got raped ofc.

Oh and Why is SW a MID and why do they use Magebane haha

Could say he is almost the strongest carry in the available pool at the moment thats why he is 99% pick/ban in games. Biggest difference from HoN mage is that his passive decreases magic damage taken at 4 it was 40% pernamently unlike buff you get only when you flash in HoN if remember correctly from skill description caster moused over yesterday. Obviously high farming ability and blink

[Shadeward]

whats up with all those CD Kraken (Razor- Tide) laning togheter in trilanes. Ive seen it like 3 times and i dont think its a good idea, they keep fighting for farm

Also I wanted to ask some dota player, why the hell yesterday a team used Sad King as a solo in the long lane, that was very weird for me, he got raped ofc.

Oh and Why is SW a MID and why do they use Magebane haha

Tide is pure support in DotA. Only Kraken skill he has is splash (the passive was changed).

Sand King can be used as a solo because of sandstorm, but it's not that common except against other melee.

Anti-Mage is very strong, due to high survivability and late game potential.

[Scoobings]

You people just need small time things to complain about constantly, don't you?

DotA 2 wins.

Pacing and aesthetics aren't really small things.... They're arguably some of the most important aspects of gameplay. At least for me.

[DJDavyDave]

i LOVE the graphics! the jungle and map just looks sick, though i do have to agree about 2 things.

1. The hero models (some of them) / attack animations / projectiles are PATHETIC.
i.e. sand king, roshon, shadow feind, enigma.
I would also like to point out that some of them are AWESOME and some of the models, (tidehunter) make me have little nerdgasms.

2. What happened to scourge and sentinal! DESPISE the new names lol.

3. some of the effects are sketch (bkb, fortification, etc.) but this gameplay is PRE-BETA! DONT EXPECT PERFECTION YET!

[Proletariat]

Here you can read about the AI camera: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/jmf4s/dota_2s_ai_camera/

And here is source:
http://blog.dota2.com/2011/08/tournament-website-is-up/

I think this game is greater than what really meets the eye...

Yes, but isn't that only used if there is no commentator? Watching the current dota2 game streaming right now, the commentator is clearly controlling the camera.
So the AI seems a bit useless unless you regularly watch replays with no commentators. I'd have have some commentators.

[Shadeward]

'DeMoN loves the bush'

I lol'd

[MosDuff]

graphics wise heroes, hero movement, creeps, spells, towers, interface are all better in hon
dota 2 has better background / ground / trees / water

People will just say anything. If there's one thing HoN fails at, it's basic animations. Just ask any hero who can't seem to walk on the ground, and instead slides around as if on ice. And let's not forget about all models being localized, so you can never have anything cool like Tidehunter's fish dragging around, instead we have the tardly stiff bits like the chains on raven soulstealer.

The fact that people even criticize something as simple as the animations in Dota 2 just reveals that they have no idea what they're talking about, and are just making **** up.

[Proletariat]

i LOVE the graphics! the jungle and map just looks sick, though i do have to agree about 2 things.

1. The hero models (some of them) / attack animations / projectiles are PATHETIC.
i.e. sand king, roshon, shadow feind, enigma.
I would also like to point out that some of them are AWESOME and some of the models, (tidehunter) make me have little nerdgasms.

2. What happened to scourge and sentinal! DESPISE the new names lol.

3. some of the effects are sketch (bkb, fortification, etc.) but this gameplay is PRE-BETA! DONT EXPECT PERFECTION YET!

I agree with all three of those points, especially the names. Dire..? wtf! It even sounds weird when the announcer is saying it. Especially on the banning/picking phase. So weird. I truly hope they replace that name, but I doubt it.

[JellySmelly]

http://i56.tinypic.com/2dag95z.jpg

Here's current pic of the menu for Dota 2

[Hijack]

Yes, but isn't that only used if there is no commentator? Watching the current dota2 game streaming right now, the commentator is clearly controlling the camera.
So the AI seems a bit useless unless you regularly watch replays with no commentators. I'd have have some commentators.

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quite a lot of people watch replays without commentators.

[Hsssh]

MyM getting ****ed.

[PenisMakeRr]

ugly !!!!

[didda]

http://i56.tinypic.com/2dag95z.jpg

Here's current pic of the menu for Dota 2
maybe he should have censored his name?

[LonJAXsoN]

Watch/learn tabs... sweet

it seems i was wrong about both games, hmm

[Shadeward]

'Just got rickroll'd'

I think Tobi been having too many red bulls

[Feroci0us]

Tide is pure support in DotA. Only Kraken skill he has is splash (the passive was changed).





Splash is Kraken´s passive.
I think You meant torrent.

[iKyi]

The tidehunter fish is not dragged... all of the animations are 100% animations , haven't seen a havok manifestation all streams..

[SoulCrusher]

Chances are v1lat dropped from the game and had to reconnect while commentating, and someone made a screenshot during that time.

[Shadeward]

Splash is Kraken´s passive.
I think You meant torrent.

Never played Kraken so I wouldn't know.

[JellySmelly]

But menu especialy the bottom side looks very very very similar to HoN not saying its bad :)

[MonkeyTilt]

I undestand Spectre is strong, but why put him mid. I mean if he is similar to SW, he should have a hard time farming the mid lane vs another good solo and doesnt have good early/earlymid game rly

I dont see how he can use the early levels more than other heroes

[Norasmus]

It is really pathetic that the most popular argument for HoN players are related to aesthetics. Give me a break you idiots, that just means the art style isnt for you. The graphics are waaay more detailed than HoN's graphics, and its unfortunate people are blind about it, aka fanboy. The pacing is slower because it actually takes MORE strategy at a high level play to win DotA 2 matches, there is no one shot bs, that's all HoN is.

Just look at the prize distribution for the tourney:
1st place: $1,000,000 USD
2nd place: $250,000 USD
3rd place: $150,000 USD
4th place: $80,000 USD
5th place: $35,000 USD
6th place: $35,000 USD
7th place: $25,000 USD
8th place: $25,000 USD

Im pretty sure any pro gamer would play it safe on a new game that they are not very familiar with yet (due to the many aesthetic changes) when that much money is on the line. And even then, their playing very well and taking risks in many occassions (you would know this if you actually watched all the vids). Also, people seem to forget that DotA 2 will offer 10x more features than HoN does. This means tons of game modes, maps, the ability to make your own league and tournaments with the system, coaching, better spectator features, the ability to spectate an on-going game, i can keep going with this.

And what does HoN offer? The same old game, along with a stupid casual mode. The only thing thats different is the different pick features.

[didda]

curious to see necronomicon

[ZeeQ]

Splash is Kraken´s passive.
I think You meant torrent.

Tidehunter has 2 passives

[Lucifer]

People will just say anything. If there's one thing HoN fails at, it's basic animations. Just ask any hero who can't seem to walk on the ground, and instead slides around as if on ice. And let's not forget about all models being localized, so you can never have anything cool like Tidehunter's fish dragging around, instead we have the tardly stiff bits like the chains on raven soulstealer.

The fact that people even criticize something as simple as the animations in Dota 2 just reveals that they have no idea what they're talking about, and are just making **** up.

Rant much ? It's just my opinion, which is what OP asked for.
Have you tried watching DOTA 2 heroes walking around ?
Looks awful.

PS; also when they go through water there's no ripples which kinda annoys me

[Shadeward]

Tidehunter has 2 passives

Kraken doesn't have Kraken shell, ironically enough.

[JellySmelly]

I undestand Spectre is strong, but why put him mid. I mean if he is similar to SW, he should have a hard time farming the mid lane vs another good solo and doesnt have good early/earlymid game rly

I dont see how he can use the early levels more than other heroes

We'll we've seen enough of BM (Kind of tundra) mid alot too.

In Dota 2 all matchs are recorded

[SoulCrusher]

I undestand Spectre is strong, but why put him mid. I mean if he is similar to SW, he should have a hard time farming the mid lane vs another good solo and doesnt have good early/earlymid game rly

I dont see how he can use the early levels more than other heroes

They probably laned with 2 Heros mid or had a roaming support to pressure the enemy all early game.

[Scoobings]

People will just say anything. If there's one thing HoN fails at, it's basic animations. Just ask any hero who can't seem to walk on the ground, and instead slides around as if on ice. And let's not forget about all models being localized, so you can never have anything cool like Tidehunter's fish dragging around, instead we have the tardly stiff bits like the chains on raven soulstealer.

The fact that people even criticize something as simple as the animations in Dota 2 just reveals that they have no idea what they're talking about, and are just making **** up.

The fish was cool. I don't think anyone is arguing that the engine for DOTA2 isn't better than hon. The engine is far superior. If there's anything valve has ever really excelled at it's been engines and map detail.

For the record, though, about models being localized those physics calculations are done client side not server side (at least in all the other games made by valve).

My biggest problem with DOTA 2 is pacing and lack of originality when it comes to hero concepts. Those are big issues for me and are deal breakers. They're also opinion. You can tell me until you're blue in the face why tanky rice fests are better for gameplay but at the end of the day it's boring to watch and play. It's one of the major reasons I'm not playing DOTA currently, I won't be buying DOTA 2, and if HoN's meta game ever shifts back that direction I'll quit that too.

[Proletariat]

quite a lot of people watch replays without commentators.


Uh.. yeah of course if there isn't an alternative.

[MonkeyTilt]

thats totally different. tundra has a great early game and can use the levels as no other

[MonkeyTilt]

They probably laned with 2 Heros mid or had a roaming support to pressure the enemy all early game.

yea that is true

[LonJAXsoN]

is sand king passive really that bad lol

[BearGryllz]

http://www.pr0gramm.com/data/images/2011/08/1313671804417.jpg

i just dont like the graphics.

[ZeeQ]

MyM getting ****ed.

So far it's true :(

[Shadeward]

is sand king passive really that bad lol

It's great for harass against another melee hero and good for pushing, but it's not as useful for mid-game ganking/survivability (for SS) as the other 2.

[snapdoodle]

commentary voices all messed up sound like they're talking in a tincan.

[JackSparrow`]

maybe he should have censored his name?

umm, im pretty sure hes a streamer...?

[Skyve]

Kraken doesn't have Kraken shell, ironically enough.

But Pebbles has it! Or at least one version of Kraken shell.

[Hijack]

Uh.. yeah of course if there isn't an alternative.

Let's not do this, that's a blank there are loads of dota casts, http://www.dotacommentaries.com for example.

The least you could do is actually check up before saying something, you've just wasted my time responding to your "uhm let's hope they don't have any casting in dota, that will win me this debate"

[ZeeQ]

Kraken doesn't have Kraken shell, ironically enough.

Tidehunter kicked his ass and used his shell ;)

[Norasmus]

You know whats also funny... about 90% of the people that are complaining about DotA 2 in the HoN forums are shitty sub-1750s. Won't be missing them at all when DotA 2 comes out, HoN will serve as a filter for the noobies that cant handle a harder meta game.

AND LOL Beargyllz, that is the worst screenshot you could ever use for a comparison. How about you learn how to make them of equal quality and then compare.

[didda]

umm, im pretty sure hes a streamer...?
ah ok, didn't see the picture in my stream, so i was confused

[Shadeward]

Tidehunter kicked his ass and used his shell ;)

So that's what he's carrying with his left hand

:poll:

[SoulCrusher]

Another thing I noticed:

While DotA2 Spec UI is bad (maybe will be revamped anyway), there is the "Gold-Graph" showing the gold difference between teams for the whole game, so you can easily see where the tide of the game started changing.

[Banhammerr]

http://www.pr0gramm.com/data/images/2011/08/1313671804417.jpg

i just dont like the graphics.

Wow honestly, it looks better in DotA 1 ffs. Valve really ****ed up...

[LonJAXsoN]

It's great for harass against another melee hero and good for pushing, but it's not as useful for mid-game ganking/survivability (for SS) as the other 2.
but he's gone stats.... lol

[Hijack]

Wow honestly, it looks better in DotA 1 ffs. Valve really ****ed up...

Printing from a stream results in great quality. And nothing actually says that that is the finished product.

[Skyve]

Another thing I noticed:

While DotA2 Spec UI is bad (maybe will be revamped anyway), there is the "Gold-Graph" showing the gold different between Gold games for the whole game, so you can easily see where the tide of the game started changing.

Actually, DotA2 doesn't even seem to have a "spec UI" yet. It looks more like it's the players UI.

[VorcePA]

I don't have any complaints about anything gameplay/graphics wise. An alpha version of a game is going to have problems.

My red flag with DotA 2 was the fact that Valve decided to host a tournament giving away over 1.5 million dollars on a pre-alpha game rife with bugs, no chance to balance the game, and no guarantee that internet play would be stable (and it wasn't, for the one game that I watched).

This is something they should have done towards the end of a long beta (similar length of time that S2 put in to their beta).

If there's one overarching problem I have with dota, hon, LoL, and dota 2, it's that the same ****ing map is used over and over. I can't understand how forests of caldavar is still the only god damned map we can play in MM.

[SoulCrusher]

Also, the "Legion" being circles and the "Hellbourne" being crosses on the minimap will make things a lot easier for new players to see if an enemy comes their way.

[Pogona]

One thing I want to point out: HoN fanboys don't hold a candle to Dota fanboys in terms of sheer fanaticism, and you all know it. Valve is actually banking on it. The game could be utter shite and most Dota 1 players would still lap it up and ask for more, just because IceFrog did it.

That being said, I don't think it will be terrible. I'm currently waiting to see, and I hope I can get into the beta. But I won't be uninstalling HoN anytime soon, since I think there are still a lot of unknowns concerning Dota 2. There will be some people who prefer HoN, and for that reason alone I don't think Dota 2 will kill HoN.

Dota 2 will be better or it won't, straight up. Unfortunately it will probably have a larger player base regardless, due to simple brand loyalty. That sucks in my opinion, but it is the likely reality.

[Shadeward]

but he's gone stats.... lol

Maybe mana problems.

[Proletariat]

Let's not do this, that's a blank there are loads of dota casts, http://www.dotacommentaries.com for example.
Nobody said there weren't. But they don't cast every single game.

[Nyaru]

Bad graphics, animations and effects, slow paced, it reminds a HoN of old as far as improvements over the original are concerned. Also worse sounds.

So basically all the senses with which you receive the game are inferior.
And it tastes too salty, too.

[Skyve]

Also, the "Legion" being circles and the "Hellbourne" being crosses on the minimap will make things a lot easier for new players to see if an enemy comes their way.

They need to increase the size slightly though. Looks a bit too small to me.

[Shadeward]

They need to increase the size slightly though. Looks a bit too small to me.

Maybe there are minimap options you can toy with in-game. I do think they're a bit small too.

[Norasmus]

I don't have any complaints about anything gameplay/graphics wise. An alpha version of a game is going to have problems.

My red flag with DotA 2 was the fact that Valve decided to host a tournament giving away over 1.5 million dollars on a pre-alpha game rife with bugs, no chance to balance the game, and no guarantee that internet play would be stable (and it wasn't, for the one game that I watched).

This is something they should have done towards the end of a long beta (similar length of time that S2 put in to their beta).

If there's one overarching problem I have with dota, hon, LoL, and dota 2, it's that the same ****ing map is used over and over. I can't understand how forests of caldavar is still the only god damned map we can play in MM.

What bugs are u even talking about? There has been no bugs in the 10+ videos that ive seen. The quality is top-notch and the balance so far is being hailed by the teams that are currently playing. The only complaint they have is that some counters for some heroes are missing but that is obviously going to be fixed once they get released, but that isn't unbalancing the game at all.

And obviously the stream was going to have problems initially since Germany has some shitty internet connection. They had a rough start, which was expected, and have fixed most of the problems since then. It's been nothing but smooth with a couple of delays, and those delays are thanks to gamescom as well (scheduling issues).

[IRONBRAH]

brb bros, not playing a video game based on 1-3 character models.

[Berethorn]

I got very dissapointed. The models and the spellanimations look totally shiit.

[Hijack]

Nobody said there weren't. But they don't cast every single game.

The point is still, watching a game with a cast, can be relaxing and fun in a way that a replay wont do for you, however if i'd want to really spotlight a hero/player for example see how some top notch supporter wards and moves around the map, a cast would be as helpful as sand in Zahara.

[DatAsh`]

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1899/1313671804417.jpg


omgomgomg S2 screwed it...HoN so ugly omgwtf

cwhatididther?

[Araeliz]

four

[Bob_Sagtits]

Im just glad the games are actually 30 mins plus though that 90 minute was a doobie. Most games in hon now a days are faster but usually because Team A stomps Team B hard, leading to a 15-25 min concede. Not much competition as well you can probably already tell who is going to win DHW right now tbh.

[SoulCrusher]

Watch a YouTube Video of a it in 1080p, it does look a lot better and smoother there.

[Hijack]

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1899/1313671804417.jpg


omgomgomg S2 screwed it...HoN so ugly omgwtf

cwhatididther?

well played sir, well played :D:D

[Scoobings]

You know whats also funny... about 90% of the people that are complaining about DotA 2 in the HoN forums are shitty sub-1750s. Won't be missing them at all when DotA 2 comes out, HoN will serve as a filter for the noobies that cant handle a harder meta game.

AND LOL Beargyllz, that is the worst screenshot you could ever use for a comparison. How about you learn how to make them of equal quality and then compare.

I consider myself far from an expert at this genre. My background is mostly in FPS, so I suppose it's no surprise that I prefer the more action oriented, faster pace of HoN. If that makes me a noob in your eyes, so be it but I do know that until HoN I always scoffed at this genre because I found the games boring.

I have no doubt Valve will deliver a quality product (those screen shots are unfair as the game isn't even done yet. I would be surprised if it didn't look better at the end of development.). They've never let me down in terms of quality. It's the fact that they've done such a good job of delivering DOTA in a better engine that makes the game very underwhelming for me, but will probably make it a big success with the DOTA crowd.

So we're all winners, you all get DOTA, I get to keep my faster paced meta-game, and valve gets millions of dollars.

Though if I could trade places with valve in that scenario I would.

[Shadeward]

I never thought that I would say that but... if they keep with those horrendous graphics... I might stick with HoN...

Graphics are awesome. I was kind of disappointed the first time I saw a game, but the more I watch, the more I like it.

[izRlyBad]

http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt30/johannn98/rage58.gif

[Skyve]

You know whats also funny... about 90% of the people that are complaining about DotA 2 in the HoN forums are shitty sub-1750s. Won't be missing them at all when DotA 2 comes out, HoN will serve as a filter for the noobies that cant handle a harder meta game.

Actually, HoN is a lot harder to play for new players because it's faster paced. Besides, considering how DotA pubs look, DotA2 pubs won't be any better anyways.


AND LOL Beargyllz, that is the worst screenshot you could ever use for a comparison. How about you learn how to make them of equal quality and then compare.

No, the quality doesn't even matter, because it does look very much inferior to any of the other two, no matter the quality of the screenshot.

That said, it also looks very much like a placeholder than anything else, but few people seem to realize that.

[Banhammerr]

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1899/1313671804417.jpg


omgomgomg S2 screwed it...HoN so ugly omgwtf

cwhatididther?

You realize that the HoN one still looks the best. You can make it as clear as you want. The **** will still look the same, ugly cartoon ball. It not the quality of the picture its the graphics of it.

Stop kidding urself kid.

[thebad]

ITT: people who have no idea about game development.

i think the game looks fine for a pre beta game.

and regardless, i dont care about how it looks, i only care that it feels like original dota in terms of gameplay.

[LonJAXsoN]

comeback?

[Shadeward]

MYM showing why they're bosses.

[NH]

MyM comeback???

[Aql]

I'm not here to defend dota 2 since I myself don't really like how it looks/plays at the moment, but seriously, stop with all the nonsense, the game isn't even in active beta.....

I might stick only with HoN, might play both, but what is the point in comparing games at this stage? HoNubs trying to put down all the Dotards based on a tournament with less than half heroes done... It all got old really fast..

And noway? Cash rewards for the tournie are really high, go figure, valve has alot of money at their disposal...

[ZeeQ]

MaNia woke up Oo ?

[DatAsh`]

Actually, HoN is a lot harder to play for new players because it's faster paced. Besides, considering how DotA pubs look, DotA2 pubs won't be any better anyways..


You never played Dota2 and still claim that HoN is harder.
http://hereticdhammasangha.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/87665dude-wtf-posters.jpg?w=277&h=425

[DancingTeCup]

The UI is likely to change, for me though I'm just not a fan with the art style. I cant say it has bad graphics, because its not bad. It's just a different style then I like. I guess I'm just used to playing DOTA and HoN graphics, where everything is much more dark and detailed. I'll still give it a try regardless, I'm sure most people will get used to it after playing for a while.

[Yinn]

If they make a good system for beginners (and that coaching stuff could be one) Then it will destroy HoN.

Thats what HoN lacks the most.

The game is pretty much the same a bit slower.

[Dacaj]

lol furion bd

[DatAsh`]

You realize that the HoN one still looks the best. You can make it as clear as you want. The **** will still look the same, ugly cartoon ball. It not the quality of the picture its the graphics of it.

Stop kidding urself kid.

oh no it's banhammerr and he calls me a kid...im so scared - and your arguments are super contructive.

[Skyve]

You never played Dota2 and still claim that HoN is harder.
http://hereticdhammasangha.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/87665dude-wtf-posters.jpg?w=277&h=425

I didn't say it's harder, I said it's harder for new players. I even stated the reason why.

[Shadeward]

MYM not boss enough :(

[Izman]

Well truth be told I can't wait to play DoTA 2, but at the same time HoN has made such progress with balance that it'll feel like I'm playing League of Legends with HoN's beta balance.

Notable quirks are:

- Hero balance (100% deny plague?)
- Map balance (Dota's hellbourne has a ramp directly into roshan)
- Clunky UI, it just looks overall terrible in comparison to HoN's.
- Cartoony graphics is a down side, and in general the game looks like the middle man between Heroes of Newerth and League of Legends...

Nevertheless, I'm probably gona buy it and play it. HoN might remain more active for me though.

[the_champ]

I knew all the EU fanboys overrating MYM were talking out of their asses.

[ZeeQ]

Eat that Tidehunter.

[Scoobings]

I'm not here to defend dota 2 since I myself don't really like how it looks/plays at the moment, but seriously, stop with all the nonsense, the game isn't even in active beta.....

I might stick only with HoN, might play both, but what is the point in comparing games at this stage? HoNubs trying to put down all the Dotards based on a tournament with less than half heroes done... It all got old really fast..

And noway? Cash rewards for the tournie are really high, go figure, valve has alot of money at their disposal...

This beta thing is getting just a tad tired. Valve thought it was completed enough to host a tournament worth 1.7 mil.

Both games have their ups and downs. Specificly the graphic effects arguements is a little bit of an unfair arguement namely because the game is in beta.

All the same if valve didn't want the game to get judged they wouldn't have hosted a huge tournament like they did. They think the game is presentable and part of presenting is getting judged on as is, not what it might be.

[Proletariat]

The point is still, watching a game with a cast, can be relaxing and fun in a way that a replay wont do for you, however if i'd want to really spotlight a hero/player for example see how some top notch supporter wards and moves around the map, a cast would be as helpful as sand in Zahara.
Depending on how the AI functions, watching a replay with it could be the worst thing to do if you want to spotlight a specific hero.

[didda]

too bad :(

[JellySmelly]

GG well played

[ZeeQ]

Epic moves by Scythe gg.

[mattbastard]

Graphics on Dota2 are better in every way (beatmaster does look a little lame). I assume everyone is watching the live streams which I hope you would realize that you are losing a lot of the visuals. For a good comparison of what your losing look at the image on dota-two.com with Doombringer and you will see how crisp it will be on your PC. The terrain and environments look absolutely amazing and the hero models for the most part are much better than HON. Also, watch how the fog rolls naturally from the player across the envirmont it's so much better than what we have now. I love HON but DOTA2 looks nasty!

[Seigx]

There's nothing wrong with Dota 2 I think it's just a bunch of trolls or shitties who never played dota.

I feel bad for these ignorant HoN homers, HoN was great until they weren't allowed to port dota heroes anymore. The game has been on a steady constant decline towards being **** ever since Tundra/Flint Beastwood released.

[amness]

well 4 ints... whatever.

[DadTakeItOut]

Who gives a **** what the game looks like ? Retards play LoL not for the graphics but for the gameplay it brings. Dota 2 has amazing gameplay and way better graphics then lol imo

[Puro]

Yo, it's no use arguing here.
Let us who are going to Dota2 go to Dota2 and lets leave the guys we don't want with us here.
Simple.
Peace.:>

[Tuesday]

The spectator mode is one of the worst **** I have ever seen. Notice how we get NO INFORMATION WHAT SO ****ING EVER apart from overall score, I was watching like 5 games and under all of those I sat wondering about levels, individual score, items, cooldowns, gpm, creep kills, denies etc everything we get in hon, hopefully they will improve it. Yes there was a scoreboard that they could take out, that covered half the ****ing screen

Just simply could not agree anymore whatsoever.

[Seigrain]

I still love all the newcomers who think HoN always looked pretty lol.

[OFQ]

So in Winner Bracket Semifinal will be 3 China teams? Again this boring MMO farming **** :(

[Puro]

Dude, you do realise that the AI camera man is better than Breaky at camera work?
An AI can control the cam in a replay or in a spec, and it never misses a first blood, never misses a kill, best part?
The game has secret shop, which is what s2 called an annoyance:D
Icefrog's answer, you're the annoyance.

[mattbastard]

http://www.the72pins.com/2011/08/17/watch-the-international-dota-2-championships-in-1080p/

[Hsssh]

I`m kinda glad that Furion wasn`t ported to HoN, his playstyle looks very annoying and retarded.

[Demonic150]

I'm a strong HoN supporter, and after the announcement of DotA 2 I had in the back of my mind that S2Games was going to get trucked. However after seeing screenshots and gameplay, I'm sure that HoN will be a more unique product than DotA 2, because it's basically WC3 DotA but with better graphics. I heard that it's in the alpha phase still, which I'm unsure of. (But it's on the internetz, IT MUST BE TRUE!) By the time DotA 2 actually gets released or out of alpha, beta, whatever, HoN will most likely be flourishing with better gameplay, better graphics.

However, S2 must accomplish a set list of things before they get to this state with their product. I'm mainly talking about a new level of professionalism with their staff.

I do know that I will be playing both games though, since they're definitely two great products.

[SPQR]

Bad picks by MYM imo. It was fairly obvious that Scythe knew a push strat was coming. Bans on heroes like Venomancer/Pugna/Chen, picking heroes like Enchantress themselves, and grabbing some heavy AOE themselves with Sand King/Tidehunter.

[teamofone]

If troll is so ****ing imba, why's no comp team every playing him? but what i will tell you is :keep::para::pupp::emer::myrm::wret::fayd::damp: these are all heroes way out of order, the hag port from DotA was way over the top. QoP was fine but S2 felt like tuning him up into some monster, same goes for a lot of the other ported heroes.

Hijack don't listen to Slick he doesn't even know what balance really means. -_-

[TryckFel]

Don't listen much to the complains about dota2, boring gameplay=high teir dota teams who know of eachother. They are playing it safe(I wouldn't ofc, ballz to the wallz). Also many consider HoN to be Dota on crack thnx to the 4x faster gameplay(projectile speeds etc are alot faster than dota) so if you compare that to dota2 ofc it looks slow.

Graphics are not amazing what I can tell but the "landscape" seems cool and valve must have decided that all animations should be kept clean for the sake of the players, so you can tell what's happening during a fight.

All in all after Dota2 goes through beta I'm sure the most skilled players will be there for the competition and so will I and prolly most of you. See you in dota come fall/winter PEACe

[AyKuT]

dota2 has a nice gameplay gonna try it

[OFQ]

HoN will most likely be flourishing with better gameplay, better graphics..

Noop HoN will have over 9000 unbalanced heroes and shitload of pay to win goods. btw dota has 100+ balanced and fun heroes when in hon just 80 in total...

[NH]

I don't get these ppl that will stick to HoN. Srsly. I was only here because DotA could not cover the basics (mana bars, reconecting, leaver %, etc) and it is crystal clear for me that when they stopped porting DotA heroes the game started to suck.

[Geshtar]

The problem with DOTA 2 is it is HoN released years later. The graphics are a side-grade to HoN, some may like better some will not like at all (I prefer HoN from watching the streams, but I'll reserve full judgement for playing it myself). There is virtually no gameplay features that DOTA 2 has that are compelling.

Coaching? The rewards better be SPECTACULAR otherwise no one will do this. You'd have to pay me RL money to sit and watch a noob play a full game of DOTA while I told them what to do when I could just be playing myself.

Bots? Unless the AI is amazing, these are going to be epic fail.

Otherwise, the only difference between DOTA2 and HON is the hero lineups. DOTA2 will have a few old DOTA heroes that HON doesn't have, and HON will have HON heroes that DOTA doesn't have. Most DOTA heroes that weren't ported directly were boring anyway. I can't think of any that I would just love to have in HON other than maybe Meepo and phantom lancer.

So overall, its not that DOTA2 is bad, it is just that DOTA2 is HON a few years too late.

[Skyve]

Bad picks by MYM imo. It was fairly obvious that Scythe knew a push strat was coming. Bans on heroes like Venomancer/Pugna/Chen, picking heroes like Enchantress themselves, and grabbing some heavy AOE themselves with Sand King/Tidehunter.

Kinda seems like MyM is suffering a lot from the limited hero pool :(

[teamofone]

They can believe whatever they want, I'm bouncing as I can get my hand on Dota 2 beta. Have fun with HoN MM.

[superdeluxxe]

However, S2 must accomplish a set list of things before they get to this state with their product. I'm mainly talking about a new level of professionalism with their staff.

Could start by firing Diva. Don't think I've ever been able to take one of his in-game or forum announcements seriously.

[Hat_Truck]

Bad picks by MYM imo. It was fairly obvious that Scythe knew a push strat was coming. Bans on heroes like Venomancer/Pugna/Chen, picking heroes like Enchantress themselves, and grabbing some heavy AOE themselves with Sand King/Tidehunter.It wasn't bad picks by MYM, they just played like sh*t. Throughout this entire tournament, I have seen teams picking amazing push lineups, then sitting there farming like they have a farm strat. MYM had the better early game with Leshrac, Rhasta, and Furion, 3 amazing pushers, yet when they had the advantage, they sat there farming for 20 minutes instead of pushing towers which Dire could not have stopped. By the time they started pushing it was already too late, Dire was 10 kills ahead and the game just went downhill from there.

Just because you can get hand of midas on Furion, doesn't mean it's always the best choice. If he had gone straight for Mana boots or Orchid's they could have blown those towers down before Dire even knew what hit them.

This entire tournament has been somewhat of a joke to me, and it has nothing to do with the game. The level of play I've seen has been pathetic.

[Moronocide]

I'm a strong HoN supporter, and after the announcement of DotA 2 I had in the back of my mind that S2Games was going to get trucked. However after seeing screenshots and gameplay, I'm sure that HoN will be a more unique product than DotA 2, because it's basically WC3 DotA but with better graphics. I heard that it's in the alpha phase still, which I'm unsure of. (But it's on the internetz, IT MUST BE TRUE!) By the time DotA 2 actually gets released or out of alpha, beta, whatever, HoN will most likely be flourishing with better gameplay, better graphics.

However, S2 must accomplish a set list of things before they get to this state with their product. I'm mainly talking about a new level of professionalism with their staff.

I do know that I will be playing both games though, since they're definitely two great products.

You realized most of the hon pro scene still picked the dota port most of the time. and s2 cared about their product? Releasing gimmick hero every 2 weeks and EA. icefrog> entire s2

[DMGotty]

Tell you what...

The level of play from the teams today was amazing.

The shoutcasters today were amazing.

The hero selections and laning combinations was SO dynamic and varied.

I was captivated today....

I'm completely over comparing HoN to DotA2, because my god, even if S2 Gaming had not have introduced all these poorly designed mass production heroes, even if EA was never released, even if S2 Gaming had good customer service (roooofl)...

I'd still play DotA 2.

[P4lm]

The problem with DOTA 2 is it is HoN released years later. The graphics are a side-grade to HoN, some may like better some will not like at all (I prefer HoN from watching the streams, but I'll reserve full judgement for playing it myself). There is virtually no gameplay features that DOTA 2 has that are compelling.

Coaching? The rewards better be SPECTACULAR otherwise no one will do this. You'd have to pay me RL money to sit and watch a noob play a full game of DOTA while I told them what to do when I could just be playing myself.

Bots? Unless the AI is amazing, these are going to be epic fail.

Otherwise, the only difference between DOTA2 and HON is the hero lineups. DOTA2 will have a few old DOTA heroes that HON doesn't have, and HON will have HON heroes that DOTA doesn't have. Most DOTA heroes that weren't ported directly were boring anyway. I can't think of any that I would just love to have in HON other than maybe Meepo and phantom lancer.

So overall, its not that DOTA2 is bad, it is just that DOTA2 is HON a few years too late.

It is never too late.

[Bob_Sagtits]

Well even if no players left hon to dota 2 im still sure its active players will have a ratio 1:5 to hon so i guess most companies will prob drop hon for dota 2

[china]

The reason why DotA 2 graphics are, imo, better than HoN's graphics:

Every spell is distinct and not overly-filled with particles. Spells look amazing in HoN, don't get me wrong. But more often than not, you can't take in everything that's happening at once because of the mass of colors and effects.

(Barring FPS games, even when I played on a tricked-out PC, I kept my graphics in HoN low.)

[Jwag]

its so... slow

[OFQ]

And HoN do not has own catchy graphic style + new alt avatars like drunken make me feel bad man :(

[Deansy]

The thing is about this argument that this doesnt give anything to the discussion because the same thing can be said about you. You are just obsessed with the name Dota 2.

The graphics technic wise may be much better but how people percive the graphics is an opinion. That many people dont like the style of the graphics is for them a rly good argument. You Dota 2 lovers out there saying otherwise are blind (not to the graphics but to the argument).

The same about the people saying that the Dota 2 graphics is better. There are people that likes the style of the LoL graphics much better then HoN and if you check the LoL forums there are people there that dont like the style of Dota 2 graphics either.

When choosing game you like its allways an opinion. People that dont get that are just idiots. That is those people that makes the "Moba" genre community bad and it this that will destroy the "Moba" genre in the long run.

Me regarding how i percive the graphics its just something that dont feel right. I play both HoN and LoL and i will most likely play Dota 2. But its something about the graphics that doesnt feels right. It might be the inconsistent size of the char/creeps models. The half cartoony half serious map display. But it is something that dont rly hit the point for me.

I was rly hoping for this to be amazing but i am kinda dissapointed.

The style reminds me of an old game that i loved "Rage of mages" but i dont like it for this game. And if you have played the game but dont understand what i mean about it then dont bother to anwser because as allways you will probobly just rage.

I honestly don't care about graphics if the game has great gameplay. I got high end pc and for example, i like old Resident Evil 1-3 gameplay more with its shity graphics more than Resident evil 4-5 with their epic graphics, but shity gameplay. Graphics honetlly dont change my judgment over the game. I am also not obsessed over the trademark "Dota 2", tho i would of prefered that Blizzard would of done a remake of Dota, rather than Valve. As long as it has the great gameplay that i loved in dota1, you can name it whatever. Thats why i'm playing HoN, not LoL , just because it reflects more of Dota1, where LoL in otherhand is a totally different game with similar map design.

[Moronocide]

Could start by firing Diva. Don't think I've ever been able to take one of his in-game or forum announcements seriously.

When S2 hired a no namer dota player like diva that has an ego like he is the second coming of jesus, you know something is wrong.

[Yin`]

I don't get these ppl that will stick to HoN. Srsly. I was only here because DotA could not cover the basics (mana bars, reconecting, leaver %, etc) and it is crystal clear for me that when they stopped porting DotA heroes the game started to suck.

QFTMFT

[`Lucky``]

i wasnt impressed but also not dissapointed- valve has an interesting situation - try to port dota true to heart with slightly better graphics or do the same but also innovate gameplay.

change is difficult for vetern players so it looks like they chose the former option- so overall the same game...but with new graphics with some bells and whistles.

[Talesavo]

I don't get these ppl that will stick to HoN. Srsly. I was only here because DotA could not cover the basics (mana bars, reconecting, leaver %, etc) and it is crystal clear for me that when they stopped porting DotA heroes the game started to suck.


Although I agree, I can see why people are inclined to prefer HoN over DotA and there's nothing wrong with that. What I don't understand, is the blind loyalty to S2 and their antics, it doesn't make sense. Even if DotA2 looked like absolute ****, I'd rather play that than give S2 my patronage.

[Mendrane]

Otherwise, the only difference between DOTA2 and HON is the hero lineups. DOTA2 will have a few old DOTA heroes that HON doesn't have, and HON will have HON heroes that DOTA doesn't have. Most DOTA heroes that weren't ported directly were boring anyway. I can't think of any that I would just love to have in HON other than maybe Meepo and phantom lancer.


Geomance, Morphling, Phantom lancer, Ursa, Troll Warlord, Enchantress, Naga Siren, Invoker, Furion, Tidehunter ...........

The list goes on. There are A LOT of great DotA heroes that werent ported and there arent a lot of HoN heroes that ppl will miss. Maybe Chipper and Puppet but that is about it

[Skyve]

The list goes on. There are A LOT of great DotA heroes that werent ported and there arent a lot of HoN heroes that ppl will miss. Maybe Chipper and Puppet but that is about it

Yeah... I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people that love Kraken. Or Bombardier. Or Rhapsody. Or Monkey King. Or Parasite. Or really pretty much any other S2 hero.

[MosDuff]

Faceless void ult is obviously temp. But, it's funny that they decided not to fix it up before the tourney. I don't think they expected anyone to pick void in this tourney. :D

[m_or]

Although I agree, I can see why people are inclined to prefer HoN over DotA and there's nothing wrong with that. What I don't understand, is the blind loyalty to S2 and their antics, it doesn't make sense. Even if DotA2 looked like absolute ****, I'd rather play that than give S2 my patronage. Probably, because some of us, are tired of Valve and their antics?

[LonJAXsoN]

Although I agree, I can see why people are inclined to prefer HoN over DotA and there's nothing wrong with that. What I don't understand, is the blind loyalty to S2 and their antics, it doesn't make sense. Even if DotA2 looked like absolute ****, I'd rather play that than give S2 my patronage.
Pretty much this. I've been with this game since september '09 and have been appalled by how S2 manages their game. Don't get me wrong, they were great.. at first. But now, no thanks. The only thing that would really keep me coming back would be custom map support.

[`tSu]

the games that i saw live today felt slow paced, i was simply put bored while watching them. and everything from hero/creature graphics to abilities and sound effects just didn't feel right.

that said, the map looks great.

[Talak_Hallen]

Probably, because some of us, are tired of Valve and their antics?

What antics? Please, do tell.

[THE_SPOOKY]

graphics sucks, hope u all "im waiting for dota2 so i quit hon" ppl just go away to play that crap :D have fun playing old school pixels, and whe u want to see a HD hero come here and take a look

This is what people will convince themselves of to continue beliving DotA 2 won't be good. I can understand not liking the difference in gameplay, but anyone complaining about the graphics needs to get their eyes checked.

[knowitall]

Probably, because some of us, are tired of Valve and their antics?

What "antics?" Valve's biggest mistake in the past 10 years was the L4D nonsense and those games still sold really well.

[Talesavo]

Probably, because some of us, are tired of Valve and their antics?


Oh ya? I'd bet good money you don't even have a steam account, hell, PM me with your username and I'll add you to friends. Once we're done that, I'll send a 6 digit alphanumerical code to both the steam account and your PM inbox and we'll see if you even own a game.

[Hat_Truck]

Probably, because some of us, are tired of Valve and their antics?
What has Valve done that's so bad? People complain about TF2, but that was never meant to be a competitive game, it's a casual game like League of Legends in which you can buy power. I don't think Valve ever tried to make it into something it was not, that was the playerbase.

I can't think of something Valve has ever done to wrong me. They released Steam which is an amazing tool for gamers who want to keep all their favorites in one place, they have amazing deals all the time that you can't find anywhere else (where you can literally get expensive games for dollars), and they release quality games. The only thing they've ever done that I've disagreed with is releasing Left 4 Dead 2 so shortly after the first one, which made many people wonder if the original game was simply a glorified open beta that you had to pay for. But no company is perfect, I'm sure the amount of money (and hassle) I've saved on games because of Steam since then has more than made up for it.

[Talesavo]

Unlike some of you, I've actually been a witness to Maliken throwing out racial epithets in a game during beta and also telling my friend that he'd be unable to log onto his account after my friend told him to simmer down(my friend wasn't the initial troll).

[GiantCyborg]

I'm getting fed up of reading how it's a huge disappointment. That last match on the stream was amazing. So my question is what exactly is so wrong with it, why is everyone *****ing about it?

Please keep your reasons to what we can see and what we know!

S2 and lol fanboys scared shitless that's all.
The game rocks.

[Mendrane]

Yeah... I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people that love Kraken. Or Bombardier. Or Rhapsody. Or Monkey King. Or Parasite. Or really pretty much any other S2 hero.

Kraken: semi-semi port of Tidehunter
Bombardier: Community hero
Rhapsody: I admit she seems well adjusted to the game. Gonna miss her? Nah still a new hero. Im fine without her
Monkey King: Most of the community havent even played him yet because he is still EA.
Parasite: Take one skill from DotA and make it worse. Then combine it with 2 useless burst abilities. Loads of fun. But sure some people might miss him. Might aswell mention Deadwood while you are at it. Sure a lot of people are gonna miss getting smacked by him lol

Keep on rocking please. The heroes you mentioned were very bad examples

[CORBS]

Absolutely nothing. People are expecting to much of it. All that Icefrog was trying to do with valve was make a nicer and just more interactive world for the player, thus adding more fun to the game. It is called DotA 2 because it is DotA, but just the next generation of it. Heroes will not change, items will not change, it is just the exact same game. People who don't want to play it can do what they want, but I think that Icefrog has accomplished exactly what he wanted to. Everything looks nicer, the game is very balanced as you can see from most games in the tournament, and overall it looks like a great game. Gameplay is smooth, the UI looks fairly nice in my opinion. Yes it could use a little bit of work, but it'll happen. It also has a reconnection system which was one of the reason I was playing HoN as well. As soon as one person disconnected, everything got screwed up. As well as for the no host system, cause that allowed for people to not all have lag or for a game to end as soon as the host dced. And DotA1 hadn't offered that, but now it has, (Or atleast I hope Valve puts in a server system) and it will further improve on the regular and classic game of DotA. For crying out loud the game isn't even in Beta yet. There will be alot of updates happening, just like in HoN. The game still has its time, and it only has like 49 heroes in it as well so far. People can say what they want, but honestly, it's gonna be amazing, and exactly what I was looking for. DotA, with better graphics and a smoother and better gaming experience.

[Ernest]

Unlike some of you, I've actually been a witness to Maliken throwing out racial epithets in a game during beta and also telling my friend that he'd be unable to log onto his account after my friend told him to simmer down(my friend wasn't the initial troll).

I find it wierd and slightly unproffesional that the staff play the game under their media names. Particuarly behaving the way you described. Seems kind've egotistical that they roll around in their S2 clan banning people. Coul

DotA 2's graphics so far are amazing. It wasnt something I thought id care about, but gosh. The 3D portaits and spell visuals are amazing.

Kinda getting tired of seeing the same 20 heroes, but no doubt there are many many more heroes to come ni the immediate future.

[Baer]

Kinda seems like MyM is suffering a lot from the limited hero pool :(
Is MyM a player or a Clan?

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5908/18082011024.jpg(bad handy camera :o)

[CORBS]

the games that i saw live today felt slow paced, i was simply put bored while watching them. and everything from hero/creature graphics to abilities and sound effects just didn't feel right.

that said, the map looks great.

If you were playing for 1 million dollars would you want to rush your game too fast and screw up anything, losing your chances? Games will get faster, it's just that everybody is playing popular tournament heroes, and they are playing to win. Not to lose.

[Lvk]

People who belive dota 2 is cool will keep his thoughts after reading this thread.
People who belive dota 2 is trash will keep his thoughts reading this thread.

Imo much people will enjoy Dota 2 cause its name AND because icefrog. Maybe IF they did a good analisy without the name on it, they wouldn't like and defend that so much.

I honestly prefer hon, but it's just my opinion. I acctualy prefer MUCH more HON than DOTA1. The most frustating thing about playing DOTA1 and seeing DOTA2 is the speed game. I love how HON is much faster.

I just don't get why ppl keep wishing that one or another game fails badly. Why not both have success and some ppl play both? :)

[Darkrash]

I can't think of something Valve has ever done to wrong me. .

Only time will tell my friend, only time :)

HL1 / HL2 and TF1 / TF2 is a huge succes in my eye's and i love those games.

On the otherhand DOTA 2 is gonna be a great succes aswell, not just because of Valve, but they have the original DOTA Creater on the team, and that's more than enough information to me.

Also there is fare more balance in Dota 1 than HoN, as fare i have seen the last ½ - 1 year.


Oh and 1 last thing, Porblems?

[Skyve]

Is MyM a player or a Clan?(bad handy camera :o)

Clan.

[marcraft]

Please, check this before you whine about graphics:

http://dota2.com/tournaments/international/game/4/

Watch in 1080P, Obviously.

[Skyve]

Kraken: semi-semi port of Tidehunter
Bombardier: Community hero
Rhapsody: I admit she seems well adjusted to the game. Gonna miss her? Nah still a new hero. Im fine without her
Monkey King: Most of the community havent even played him yet because he is still EA.
Parasite: Take one skill from DotA and make it worse. Then combine it with 2 useless burst abilities. Loads of fun. But sure some people might miss him. Might aswell mention Deadwood while you are at it. Sure a lot of people are gonna miss getting smacked by him lol

Keep on rocking please. The heroes you mentioned were very bad examples

I can do the same with every single hero he mentioned - that's not going to make the people that like them any less.
So no, they weren't bad examples.

[Talesavo]

You people need iphone 4's, no idea wtf you use to shoot with but damn...

[Dr_Fister]

Unlike some of you, I've actually been a witness to Maliken throwing out racial epithets in a game during beta and also telling my friend that he'd be unable to log onto his account after my friend told him to simmer down(my friend wasn't the initial troll).

gotta agree, while i find the abuse and such funny, the threats of account deletion are, admittedly, way too far

[EternalNova]

DotA2 will fix it, hey fanboys? :P

I'll still play it and check it out, but still LOOOOOOOOOOOOL at you all dicking on S2 for so long and sucking up to dota only to go "well...it's not that good"

I have to ask...what did you expect?

[YellowJello]

I got called a ****** by Maliken too! We can all join this cool club. I killed him with defiler ulti when he was trying to kill me as dark lady at a rune.

[Yin`]

I don't like all the DOTA 2 hero designs, but that is to be expected. You can't have everything you want, and people's opinions will differ.

What I think suck: Shadow Fiend, Mirana, Slardar


What I think is fine: Weaver, Spectre, Lich, Beastmaster, Morphling (cool model, **** animations), Prophet, Enchantress, Faceless Void, Anti-Mage


What I think is ****ing awesome: Windrunner, Drow, Lina, Doombringer, Ancient Apparition, Crystal Maiden, Tidehunter, Sand King, Sven, Nightstalker

The awesomeness far outweigh what I dislike. Furthermore, the DOTA 2 map and terrain look absolutely GORGEOUS. It feels just a little-bit "cartoony" to be fun and light-hearted, but also serious at the same time. Overall, it's an excellent job carrying on the "DotA feel" of the original WC3 DotA.

This game is awesome, I love it already.

And I'm SURE there will be additional content, skins/avatars, etc in the future.

[Skyve]

You people need iphone 4's, no idea wtf you use to shoot with but damn...

I kinda like a phone that actually gets reception when I need it to, so no thx :(


What I think is fine: Weaver, Spectre, Lich, Beastmaster, Morphling (cool model, **** animations), Prophet, Enchantress, Faceless Void, Anti-Mage

I still don't get why Weaver had to have hands. I just don't get it. Why? It makes no sense at all :(

I very much like Enchantress' wisps though. They are fun, and annoying, exactly what you'd expect them to be.

[teamofone]

It's good enough for me not sure what you are talking about.

[Hijack]

DotA2 will fix it, hey fanboys? :P

I'll still play it and check it out, but still LOOOOOOOOOOOOL at you all dicking on S2 for so long and sucking up to dota only to go "well...it's not that good"

I have to ask...what did you expect?

Was expecting THIS not in exact but i saw who's developing it, thus could kinda imagine how it would look like. And i'm perfectly fine with it, as long as i get DotA in a standalone game, it could look however and i wouldn't give a **** and still think it'd be awesome. I don't want nothing that's even similar to HoN, cuz that's not DotA, if the gameplay was "fast" as HoN i'd think it was as **** as some of you make it out to be due to it being "slow"

I think i share these feelings with a lot of the DotA fanatics out there.

[AliasRaegiru]

Well, Hon players are idiots, and $2 is biased for not deleting a thread like this.



90% of the models look sick as hell.

Sound effects are generally holy awesome, with impact noises sounding very crisp and vicarious.

Voice acting for the characters generally sounds very good, with very few exceptions (I didn't like clockwerk's VA, nor balanar's).

Announcer sounds awesome-- hopefully they'll add more announcers as the days go by, but it doesn't seem necessary.

The UI for the skillset looks very nice, but for the items, not so much.



Anywho, although it wasn't exactly how I imagined it, I'm still very excited for DOTA 2. Hopefully it'll stomp HoN and LoL to bits, and chances are, it will.

[WILDDADDY]

I don't like all the DOTA 2 hero designs, but that is to be expected. You can't have everything you want, and people's opinions will differ.

What I think suck: Shadow Fiend, Mirana, Slardar


What I think is fine: Weaver, Spectre, Lich, Beastmaster, Morphling (cool model, **** animations), Prophet, Enchantress, Faceless Void, Anti-Mage


What I think is ****ing awesome: Windrunner, Drow, Lina, Doombringer, Ancient Apparition, Crystal Maiden, Tidehunter, Sand King, Sven, Nightstalker

The awesomeness far outweigh what I dislike. Furthermore, the DOTA 2 map and terrain look absolutely GORGEOUS. It feels just a little-bit "cartoony" to be fun and light-hearted, but also serious at the same time. Overall, it's an excellent job carrying on the "DotA feel" of the original WC3 DotA.

This game is awesome, I love it already.

And I'm SURE there will be additional content, skins/avatars, etc in the future.

someone needs to either upgrade his monitor/pc or start using 1080p

/facepalm

[HonStinks]

What has Valve done that's so bad?The whole "Left 4 Dead 1 = Left 4 Dead 2 Beta, pay 40$ twice" was kind of an ******* move tbh. Its like something S2games would do in a heartbeat.

[Shadeward]

I still don't get why Weaver had to have hands. I just don't get it. Why? It makes no sense at all :(

I very much like Enchantress' wisps though. They are fun, and annoying, exactly what you'd expect them to be.

Dota Weaver had hands too.

Very interesting about Weaver is instead of going for the 'Spider' look Nerubians had in WC3, they gave him antennas and a buggish feel, maybe as a sort of reference to the Chinese caster's nicknaming Weaver 'ant' in Chinese.

[teejing]

I will try out dota2 100% and i hope with all my heart valve bans griefers left and right.
In Hon we get more griefers every day.

[Talesavo]

I kinda like a phone that actually gets reception when I need it to, so no thx :(





You're telling me, god damn this phone sucks for making calls. But as a 3g/picture taking/app using beast it's untouched. Actually, it kinda sucks for getting 3g reception too, not gonna lie. :(

[m_or]

To dude asking for my steam account, my username is m_or. I own CS 1.6, the orange box, peggle, unreal tournament 3, worms reloaded, san andreas, l4d, audiosurf and portal. The fact is, dealing with Valve and their mp games is extremely frustrating. You buy tf2 and it's great at first, then they add more and more arbitrary rpg elements, through the weapons and the whole item drop/crafting system, they get so lazy in the process that your pc can barely run the game any more and it's unbearable to play, from a gameplay standpoint, for more than 15 minutes. Then you buy L4D and you find out a year later, you've payed for a beta, not that it matters, the game is so lacklustre you get tired of it after a month. Steam is the most expensive place to buy games(im in europe), the only games you should ever buy through steam, is noname indie games you can't get through any other source. (not that it has any effect on their products, just find it a bit insulting) I guess it's fair to feel burned by S2, but anyone who buys a game from Valve should know that, they will not hesitate to milk their products for all that it is worth, if they don't feel the bottom line is sufficient. As much as I hate Valve for how I feel treated as a customer in the past, I am probably gonna buy dota 2, and I will accept it, because that's what I'm used to, from them. No hard feelings to anyone in this thread:)

[P4lm]

I want a Dota not a HoN

[Baer]

DotA2's gameplay feels a bit slow.
Just by watching I would say the heroes move with 75% of the speed of real HoN heroes.

[Skyve]

Sound effects are generally holy awesome, with impact noises sounding very crisp and vicarious.

Have you listened to Mirana's attack sound? It sounded like a cross between someone flapping a rubber band and someone firing a sci-fi laser gun/pistol.
I think sound is something where DotA2 could still improve the most in.
Portal Key/Blink Dagger too. In HoN, it sounds a lot more impressive, which I personally think is a good thing for that item.

But we will see where Valve is going to go with this in the future.

[EmptyPalms]

I never played Dota originally, so while I was watching the streams I thought of it more as Hon 2 at first. I find it interesting seeing the ports originally.

Basically, once it goes into open beta, I'll probably play all 3 games.

Riot and Valve hasn't put me in any kind of bad mood, so I'll probably play those 2 the most. Although, it is really up to gameplay for me though.

[knowitall]

DotA2's gameplay feels a bit slow.
Just by watching I would say the heroes move with 75% of the speed of real HoN heroes.

Just by knowing, I would say that you're wrong.

[ElectricAxe]

People had way too high expectations on the game. I guess that's the problem.

EDIT: It looks great!

[Razb_]

just watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCjRji-jYAg&feature=player_embedded#!
A think,gameplay speed is good

[TwoStronk]

Dota 2 looks a lot like LoL... Kinda disappointed about graphics, even the map. Idk but war3 dota seems very colorful and dota2 seems so grey. UI is horrible, so the icons of items. Need to be changed very fast. As for the models of heroes some of them seems cool and others are horrible. I love the picking screen!

[Skyve]

Dota Weaver had hands too.

Very interesting about Weaver is instead of going for the 'Spider' look Nerubians had in WC3, they gave him antennas and a buggish feel, maybe as a sort of reference to the Chinese caster's nicknaming Weaver 'ant' in Chinese.

Well, Nerubian Weaver's hands don't look so much like hands as ones on the new Weaver do. Weaver looks like he has fingers, but the spiderish guy looks like this:

http://aron-schneider.de/img/nerubian_weaver.png

Which fits in a lot better imo.

And he probably doesn't look like a spider because Valve can't use the original models, due to copyrights, so they usually try to be close to the original, but have to stay away at the same time.

[Pellikan]

:bomb::krak::noma::ramp::nymp::empa::alun::dead::c hip::zeph::mart::fors::elec::fayd:
Those are the heroes i would miss IF i switched to dota2(which i probably wont). I think thats more to miss than the good dota2 heroes HoN doesnt have.

[Yin`]

someone needs to either upgrade his monitor/pc or start using 1080p

/facepalm

Are you implying I'm suppose to like or dislike DOTA 2's graphics?

[TwoStronk]

But IDK Icefrog can be a douchebag like most people said but instead of S2, I think he have a better sense of balancing than S2. I still think that Emerald is still OP with a 6 secs silence.

[SoulCrusher]

I don't know if anyone else noticed, but Enigma and Morphling look almost the same, just recolored (Both with Blue/Black 'whirlpool' below them and both not even moving their arms while 'walking')

Also, DotA was always known to be slower than HoN, but the map is smaller and spells fly slower to make it practically the same.

[Hijack]

:bomb::krak::noma::ramp::nymp::empa::alun::dead::c hip::zeph::mart::fors::elec::fayd:
Those are the heroes i would miss IF i switched to dota2(which i probably wont). I think thats more to miss than the good dota2 heroes HoN doesnt have.

Sure you'd miss :ramp:? :D:D:D:D:D

And the DotA heroes not ported are ****ing amazing, Tinker, dark seer, weaver, morph, enchantress TECHIES KABOOOM

[Nightstrife]

does anyone have a link to somewhere where they have screen shots of all the displayed in game models of the dota 2 heros? i missed some of the matches so i didn't get to see them all D:

[Fomalhaut]

It is called DotA 2 because it is DotA, but just the next generation of it.

No no NO. Do you understand what generations are considered? Generations build upon what came before, they don't just copy it and add bells and whistles that don't really change anything. HoN is a 1st generation ARTT game like LoL, and Dota2. All other mobas being pumped out right now? Also 1st gen. Realm of the titans? 1st gen. Rise of Immortals? 1st gen. So long as the core gameplay within the game is basically the same, these games can add all the bells and whistles of mastery bs and 'runes' but they're still playing like dota and are 1st gen.

The closest things that are a true 2nd generation of ARTT/S were Savage 1 and 2.

Call me up when a new ARTS game comes around that isn't at its core the same basic thing dota is and then you can tell me there is finally a new generation. So long as there is nothing else but your hero and a pointless static base that serves no purpose other than to pace the game, nothing changes. Other things need to change too, and the basic "push towers/gank/farm and destroy a base that is meaningless" is all these games are, there is so far NOTHING that is truly at its core different.

[`Fluttershy]

This is what people will convince themselves of to continue beliving DotA 2 won't be good. I can understand not liking the difference in gameplay, but anyone complaining about the graphics needs to get their eyes checked.
Overall the graphics are good. The cartoony style is a matter of taste, personally I think it can work and I'll like it once I've played it and gotten used to it. I really liked the style of TF2 so I don't see why it wouldn't work in dota2.

However, the problem is that some of the models and skins are really lackluster and sized wrong. For example, I like the animation of the Tiny model. The way he walks is pretty nice. But overall he looks like a ****ing stone lizard, not a badass stone giant like he should be. The quality of the model is obviously better than dota1, but the concept has been changed for the worse.

[knowitall]

does anyone have a link to somewhere where they have screen shots of all the displayed in game models of the dota 2 heros? i missed some of the matches so i didn't get to see them all D:

They have replays with Valve's amazing autocam on the website schedule.

[NeoScout]

doesnt look warcrafish

[moshonkel]

blabla the graphics are sick compared to any other games in this genre. i guess u all haters dont know what good graphics are

its called personal preference.

[Ninaran]

I guess it's a somewhat solid, overhyped game. That's all there is to it.

(though some hero concepts are... weird. Like Sven who used to be a demon throwing hammers at people to stun them, he now is a... something?, who throws a big yellow ball at enemies.)

[Skyve]

its called personal preference.

No, actually, he's right.
The graphics/engine is probably the best this genre has seen so far.

But aesthethics/looks is something entirely different.

[FreeK_]

The graphics themselves are pretty sweet, everything is very smooth and flows well. The real problem is the INSANE blandness. All the spells and attack animations and even the heroes just look so very generic. Part of it I think is the lack of varied color on most things, all the colors are very muted and no, I'm not suggesting they have a unicorn vomit on it like LoL. The animations, such as leveling up, all remind me of playing World of Warcraft on minimum settings, where its just the very, very basic animation.

[OFQ]

but the map is smaller and spells fly slower to make it practically the same.
Razor's circle can be avoided with this speed. Same with puck orb. And CD's electric tide is almost unavoidable. In some way Dota 2 speed more casual player frendly but in the same time it's bring more tactical opportunities + less depends on ping. With Razor you have to use it in a more optimal conditions, when it will be harder to escape.
And it's easier to balance. If the speed is too hight, 98% of the players simply can not avoid it. And 2%(blind reflex) will avoid it almost allways. It turns out that this will be op in 1300 mmr games and up in 1600 mmr. That is why we have no balance. And some heroes are usefull only in nabs games. The solution is to make a speed that it is not required Lightning-quick reflexes. But some skills and concentration.

[TRYTROUSERS]

the hero design is really the only part I dont care for. it seems like the game is humans vs human looking aliens. heros like antimage look awful.

bottom line, icefrog is supposedly behind the game. icefrog actually balances his game, unlike s2 where they are basically like "yeah chu likes farming alch bones and fws skull on ranged carries, so thats all our game will ever be about. if you dont like it quit"

[ZabatieL]

That list is for Closed BETA guys, hope I can get a key.

After gamescon(monday) they will start to distribute the closedbeta's keys.

''Valve plans to launch an invitation beta after the Gamescom tournament ends. After that a public beta will launch. "And then we'll probably start worrying about how we'll monetise it," Newell told Eurogamer.''

SOURCE: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-18-newell-dota-2-wont-ship-until-2012

[Mellow]

the hero design is really the only part I dont care for. it seems like the game is humans vs human looking aliens. heros like antimage look awful.

bottom line, icefrog is supposedly behind the game. icefrog actually balances his game, unlike s2 where they are basically like "yeah chu likes farming alch bones and fws skull on ranged carries, so thats all our game will ever be about. if you dont like it quit"
The hero design is atrocious compared to HoN's, because... there is no hero design. Just WC3>Dota 2 model conversions.

Though Enchantress does wonderful things to me

[Scoobings]

the hero design is really the only part I dont care for. it seems like the game is humans vs human looking aliens. heros like antimage look awful.

bottom line, icefrog is supposedly behind the game. icefrog actually balances his game, unlike s2 where they are basically like "yeah chu likes farming alch bones and fws skull on ranged carries, so thats all our game will ever be about. if you dont like it quit"

Yeah I see your point the meta game hasn't changed at all or been balanced since release. Especially since Chu has always played HoN and never switched out to another game like LoL so he's always been there to balance around.

[WinD_1nside]

All your opinions and I would guess they are the minority.



The UI seems standard for games like these and can easily change. Maybe its customisable?
Bad hero design? They are THE heroes 90% of us know and fell in love with which made us come to HoN. They are the heroes HoN copied.
I'm pretty sure a voice announcer can change.
Boring gameplay? It's the same gameplay as DotA and HoN.
Unimpressive Spells? Again they are the same spells and from what i've heard all the effects etc aren't in yet? (I'm not sure though)

I'm unsure how to respond to 'no feeling' so I won't. In my opinion, the only valid reason you can have for not liking it is not liking the different graphics. Maybe they aren't as dark and shiny as you'd like it, but it still looks good.


I agree with you on all points save for the UI and Gameplay, Icefrog left in ricing as a strong viable strategy which promotes REALLY BORING gameplay, and Chinese players are very fond of making the spectators bored out of their minds. The buyback difference is HUGE. The 6 minute cooldown on the buyback in Dota promotes farming for those 6 minutes after buying back to buyback again. It's rather stupid. HoN made the better move with the limited buybacks.

The fact that there is no stop+hold hotkey customization, icon's being to big, very poor item graphics, 'interesting' artstyle is all very un-hype like.

I liked DotA, alot, and came to HoN from it, I still will buy DotA2, but something tells me if I want to play a faster more action-packed game, I'll be playing HoN. Ill be playing DotA2 for Pugna, Huskar, and some other hero's.

[WinD_1nside]

the hero design is really the only part I dont care for. it seems like the game is humans vs human looking aliens. heros like antimage look awful.

bottom line, icefrog is supposedly behind the game. icefrog actually balances his game, unlike s2 where they are basically like "yeah chu likes farming alch bones and fws skull on ranged carries, so thats all our game will ever be about. if you dont like it quit"

Alch bones are fine after the nerf.

FWS changes are being discussed, Nome posted this a week or two ago.

And Chu played LoL a while back for the prize pool, he came back to gear up for dota 2 because LoL is easy mode/casual trash.

[Scoobings]

I agree with you on all points save for the UI and Gameplay, Icefrog left in ricing as a strong viable strategy which promotes REALLY BORING gameplay, and Chinese players are very fond of making the spectators bored out of their minds. The buyback difference is HUGE. The 6 minute cooldown on the buyback in Dota promotes farming for those 6 minutes after buying back to buyback again. It's rather stupid. HoN made the better move with the limited buybacks.

The fact that there is no stop+hold hotkey customization, icon's being to big, very poor item graphics, 'interesting' artstyle is all very un-hype like.

I liked DotA, alot, and came to HoN from it, I still will buy DotA2, but something tells me if I want to play a faster more action-packed game, I'll be playing HoN. Ill be playing DotA2 for Pugna, Huskar, and some other hero's.

If you honestly don't see the difference in pace and meta-game between DOTA2 and HoN then you really don't understand either DOTA, or HoN... or both.

[Ashur]

UI is rubbish, some animations are completely broken (mirana fires arrows from the wrong side, some movements look wonky and broken).

Beta is beta, gameplay looks the same as in dota which is what was expected.

[iQuitz]

nothing you know why???? Its not out yet :O :O :O :O :O:blac::blac::blac:

[Shaddox]

Keep your pantsu on people, DotA 2 will come out in 2012.

Source : http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-18-newell-dota-2-wont-ship-until-2012

[BusinessCat]

I only see one issue with the game and that's with sound design of some attack animations. Particularly the ones like windrunner and mirana have projectiles that look and sound weaker than creep's attacks. The last hitting on creeps just doesn't look or sound that crisp. Right now the sound design is kinda weak, there's too much emphasis on sounds that don't really matter (creeps hitting each other, or idle sounds for heroes) and not enough on actual attacks and abilities. I understand wanting to make it less cluttered but when I saw mirana + 5 illusions last game doing rediculous damage, the puny arrows and sounds made it look stupid.

[HonchCrow]

just watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCjRji-jYAg&feature=player_embedded#!
A think,gameplay speed is good
The 1337 King has spoken, DotA 2 is the future! Can't wait to play it!

[FigZ]

DotA2 Graphics are 10/10, heroes 10/10, soundtracks 10/10, spells&skills 10/10... More slowly gameplay then on HoN, but at all its real DotA and must be same with that. DotA2 is more better then HoN. However, map details are like on HoN, some visual changes, but looks much better then hon. DotA2 is on source engine based game, so graphics are like on others source mode bases games (like cs:source, tf2, hl2, l4d...), and looks very awesome with this game engine.

[Lynx]

no striders
no spellshards
no assist gold
great heroes are viable in competitive play (i.e. chen, spectre, anti-mage)

Dota2 is good. For me looks like it'll be like great old (old-old) hon expirience.
Also, I hope no kdr stats will be tracking. No motivation to KS = better game.

[Skyve]

no striders
no spellshards
no assist gold
great heroes are viable in competitive play (i.e. chen, spectre, anti-mage)

Dota2 is good. For me looks like it'll be like great old (old-old) hon expirience.
Also, I hope no kdr stats will be tracking. No motivation to KS = better game.

Assist gold, and to an extent spellshards were pretty good.
Striders aren't necessarily bad either, but sadly they get used too much on the wrong heroes :(

[HonchCrow]

Assist gold, and to an extent spellshards were pretty good.
Striders aren't necessarily bad either, but sadly they get used too much on the wrong heroes :(
I agree a lot of the thing HoN has added aren't bad. But I think DotA has better alternatives. Like smoke is more fun then striders.

[Skyve]

Well, smoke and striders aren't necessarily there for the same purpose.
Striders are more for roaming than ganking, but obviously roaming includes ganking :P
Striders are pretty good on heroes that have to move across the map alot, like Venge. Smoke doesn't really help with doing it faster, but smoke is a pretty interesting item.

Assist gold is definitely a good thing. It kinda helps reduce the game length, which in a game that can drag out incredibly long is never a negative thing.

[juaNca]

Day 2: Recap

http://www.dota2pro.com/story.php?f=135&t=143

[CremeCaramel]

Graphics looks good and the style is nice.

However the heroes look kinda bland, and HoN managed to capture the Warcraft 3 style much better. The hero design of HoN seems more interesting and easier to tell apart.

Obvious examples are Clockwerk vs. Pharaoh, Zeus vs Thunderbringer, Vengeful spirit vs Andromeda. The HoN counterparts feel way better.

[BlayZin]

S2 Chair is Amused

[ZabatieL]

Keep your pantsu on people, DotA 2 will come out in 2012.

Source : http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-18-newell-dota-2-wont-ship-until-2012
Yeah, but invites for closed beta will go sent after gamescon ^^.

[Serasboy]

LOVE the epic DOTA 2 map, way better then Forest of Calvadar.

entao baza puto se gostas tanto de dota baza nao vou sentir a tua falta byebye

[PandaSucks]

I don't know if anyone else noticed, but Enigma and Morphling look almost the same, just recolored (Both with Blue/Black 'whirlpool' below them and both not even moving their arms while 'walking')

Also, DotA was always known to be slower than HoN, but the map is smaller and spells fly slower to make it practically the same.

Thats what HoN does too. :p Copy animations and just recolor it.

[AlkasH_BeasT]

"DNP about DoTa 2"? WTF are these 16 pages then?
Feels like haters gonna hate to the end.
http://i2.imageban.ru/out/2011/08/19/12ab78cff22dcc35a5d49a24fddaa4c9.gif

[bSTAR`]

What is WRONG with DotA II?

The only thing wrong with DotA II is the fact is has cretins writing **** about it. Its probably the people slating it who probably cannot afford it after spending $1000 dollars on HoN gold coins so they fap over female glacius whilst playing in lane. Stop calling it bad on forums trying to ease the pain fat sons.

DotA II has the potential and most probably will become the better game of the genre so HoN fanboys stop being jealous and ignorant about the game. HoN has been a great game im not denying the fact, but why not play the game in beta before you make your retarded comments.

Also have you thought about maybe why the spell animations arent as (flashy?) its probably because they were trying to cut down on clutter and **** in team fights which obscures vision. They are thinking about the competetive side and not just the keep pubs happy side so they keep buying **** from my overpriced store.

TL;DR KIDS WHINING ABOUT DOTA 2 BECAUSE THEY HAVE SPENT LOADS OF MONEY ON MERRICK THE MONEY HUNGRY GOBLIN AND NOW REALISE HOW POINTLESS IT WAS NOW A NEW TITLE IS COMING AND THE MAJORITY OF THE PLAYERBASE COULD POSSIBLY SWITCH

TL;DR TL;DR PLAY THE GAME B4 U CRY ON FORUMS, STOP WASTING YOUR MONEY ON COINS WHEN NEW **** IS COMING OUT

[innova3]

i dont like the water on dota2.
but its a good game. Im going to buy it when its released.

[dandylion]

Valve at this point hasn't declared a "pay" system for the game.

If it's F2P, there will be microtransactions. I'm just hoping there won't be pay-for-power like there is in LoL.

If it's P2P, and not a monthly subscription, I could get on board with that, as long as it doesn't introduce pay-for-power later.

[Tyrando]

The 1337 King has spoken, DotA 2 is the future! Can't wait to play it!

seen Athene

couldnt stop watchin

also dem blondez in background

[my_Justice]

it's ******* slow !!!!

[makaton]

http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/jmf4s/dota_2s_ai_camera/

[merkaba954]

So if anyone has watched any of the 1080p vids of dota 2 tourney u will have noticed when they are in the river ther is no movement of the water nore any movement of the trees whatsoever. This my friends is why I say the graphics are not complete as of the tourney.

I think the map is close as is the hero models but the finishing touches like splashes of your feet in the river and wind sway of the trees proove they are not done with the graphics.

I post this for all the doubters saying that the beta is coming the graphics are done deal with it.

Also I like how clean dota 2 looks. That's the only word I can describe I with.

Its not lol cartoon but not hon gritty. I feel its a good middle ground and for once when u zoom in there looks like there won't be much of the aliasing we see in both lol and hon.

TLDR.....

Overall I am liking the graphics style and can't wait to see the finished product :-)

[Dougletron]

That's great, but dota 2 looks like ****.

[thor294]

I love how the announcers actually know the game and the heroes in it... unlike BREAKYCPK always missing first blood and saying the wrong hero names

[ScotchEgg]

ITT: People spoiled with HoN/LoL shout-casts can't evaluate a game when an opinion isn't being fed to them.

Slow? Wrong
Textures and Graphics bad? Wrong

The only issue I saw with the game as it is (in beta, btw... idiots) is that the announcer they're using is so tired and worn out I muted it half way through.

[RUSty_]

no assist gold
great heroes are viable in competitive play (i.e. chen, spectre, anti-mage)

Dota2 is good. For me looks like it'll be like great old (old-old) hon expirience.
Also, I hope no kdr stats will be tracking. No motivation to KS = better game.
The meta game is significantly different in the tournament which is refreshing for me since I stay up to date with DotA, you wouldn't see these ricing hard carries as much (ofc 1 mill tournament lots of teams revert back to their old ways of playing dota and the safest 4 protect 1 strats) when teams would be able to pick batrider/invoker to counter hard carries and visage for trilane dominance and brood for solo pushing.
As for the assist gold DotA does also have assist gold but not as big (the more people ganking the less gold you get. Also you get a small amount of gold for just being near an enemy hero that dies (regardless of doing anything.)

[RUSty_]

The only issue I saw with the game as it is (in beta, btw... idiots) is that the announcer they're using is so tired and worn out I muted it half way through.
Rampage!

[doucheplayer]

That's great, but dota 2 looks like ****.

yep im pretty sure S2's game engine gives prettier graphics than valve's engine.

[Tyrando]

looks alot like BLC artstyle imo, as opposed to LoL's

[Smeggles]

This is 1.6 to CS:S all over again - GOOD JOB VALVE

[so`CEEREAL]

Can anyone help me figure out which hon hero is a port of which DotA hero? And even items if you feel like it. I started off with HoN (first started playing during beta) in the DotA/MOBA genre so I'm a bit lost but slowly figuring things out. Is there a list somewhere? The ones I've figured out so far at the top of my head would be..

Clockwerk <- Pharaoh
Earthshaker <- Behemoth
Puck <- Bubbles
Venomancer - Slither
Zeus - Thunderbringer
Anti-Mage - Magebane
Pudge - Devourer
etc

Maybe someone can edit and type over this pic and just reupload it somewhere for me? eheh http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/4592/heroes2.png

[MojoSpirit]

Valve hard fail.

[facedown]

The OP is illogical. How does he know the water will ever move? Why does the water need to move.

[tywald]

I hope they made dota2 playable for tournaments as soon as possible (which, imo they did) and that they will deal with cosmetics later (water splashes isnt important for gameplay).

Imagine if they focused on all the cosmetics, we may not even have a tournament yet as the game would have missed quite a bit on cruicial elements that dota needs.

[thor294]

Can anyone help me figure out which hon hero is a port of which DotA hero? And even items if you feel like it. I started off with HoN (first started playing during beta) in the DotA/MOBA genre so I'm a bit lost but slowly figuring things out. Is there a list somewhere? The ones I've figured out so far at the top of my head would be..

Clockwerk <- Pharaoh
Earthshaker <- Behemoth
Puck <- Bubbles
Venomancer - Slither
Zeus - Thunderbringer
Anti-Mage - Magebane
Pudge - Devourer
etc

Maybe someone can edit and type over this pic and just reupload it somewhere for me? eheh http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/4592/heroes2.png

Shadow Shaman -> Pollywog Priest
Leshrac -> Torturer
Beastmaster -> Tundra