The OFFICIAL DOTA2 Thread

[Betatest_]

If it is true, I am in love, I really hate how over-effected HoN is, it is actually hard to see through all the effect, just my opinion tho.

[MichaelBurge]

Well it seems your pretty idiotic yourself, posting something so irrelevant on the topic of discussion.
Not to mention your sentence is riddled with grammatical errors.

Besides the "is/has" typo, his post looks fine to me. :blac:

[Mikina]

This is/has to be the thread with the most idiotic and unintelligible posts in OT.


/thread
QFT.

And this is future DotA2 community?

I love it here. I don't want to leave.
Well, unless We will manage to build good enough Pony thread and clan.
Also, this OT has The most Elite posters i've ever seen.

[Talesavo]

Anyone want to have a friendly wager? I'm willing to bet DotA 2 will absolutely trounce HoN and you'll see a mass exodus of both the playerbase and the competitive scene. Since some of you are pretty certain of DotA's imminent failure, you wouldn't mind putting up $100 to a third party mediator? Let's make this happen.

[netygraph]

Ever since I heard about Dota 2, I've been thinking: What can Dota 2 do better? I'm sure most people on this forum agree that HoN is pretty solid game. I mean really; all the versatile heros, leaver-protection, reconnect ability, concede vote, mod support, game modes, ranking system and so on. On top of that the game is developing, somewhat established e-sports and active & good community (referring to forums).

What is going to be better in Dota 2? I can think of only two things and that's larger player base and development. Larger player base huge advantage since it's going to guarantee development and more/better fan made content/media will be created. E-sports will be better in every area: higher level of play, higher level and more of casting, higher level turneys and prizes. Valve is a big company so they will develop and they will develop every area. They don't have too chose whether they will develop heroes, AI opponents or map editor.

That's what's going to be better, then what could Dota 2 do better? I can think of the followings things:


Powerful map editor after or soon after release.
Better replay controls for video making. For example camera waypoint system.
Built-in video recorder. You don't need Fraps and people with weaker PC's can make HD videos.

Those I can think of but they are just extra, topping on a cake. What about the core game and gameplay? I honestly can't think of anything. So the question remains open: What can Dota 2 do better?

[Wakawl]

No legacy account bullcrap.

[KanuMyUnchou]

No legacy account bullcrap.

Thats your fault.

I mena whats a better bridging transition stage to dota 2 League of legends ?

You acount is one year old like mine how are you not at my level.

[MOBAKing]

It's not even so much that DotA 2 will be a mechanically better game (though it might be - HoN is pretty good as far as mechanics go though), it's just that Valve has a ridiculous amount of money and a large fan base so more players will be drawn towards the game.

DotA 2 is expected to have some nice features that HoN lacks though, such as DotaTV and more game modes/maps.

[gamergamer]

Close this thread,
Dotards

[Sharpryno]

No legacy account bullcrap.
Sometimes I wonder if people actually think S2 is more money-hungry than Valve.

[Time2Play]

Well, if you really like DotA and its just playing HoN because of the engine and hotkey you'll pretty much want to play DotA2 with ALL DotA heroes that didnt make in into HoN before copyright. (+heroes)

I'm not saying that they will BUT there is a chance that they will feature some of the "fun" rules (no x lane, omg, wtf...). I really miss omg and the random abilities drafts. (: (+fun rules)

...the last one is my personal opinion: Cheese > Banana

[javierg]

Umm the main two I can think of is

Custom maps - Dev wars, Warlocks etc I mean thats why I started playing dota to begin with and sometimes when you get bored you play random custom games.

And being able to spectate a game when you just missed your friends joining one! I wouldnt mind specatating a friends game and leave in and out.

[Watercat]

I guess more heroes and better competitive. I still think hon is fin and s2 did a good job =) I probally will buy DotA 2 but will still play both

[jamiejame911]

Less dota threads please. This is getting highly annoying.

[Foul]

Heroes, Aus matchmaking, community size.

Rest I could care less about and I actually prefer HoN's faster pace.

[Watercat]

Oh year br servers would be nice, LAN mode, bots, better map editor... Well I'm just listing things I want in HoN

[miy0]

Umm the main two I can think of is

Custom maps - Dev wars, Warlocks etc I mean thats why I started playing dota to begin with and sometimes when you get bored you play random custom games.

dude, are you confusing wc3 and dota here?

[Cesious]

Meepo.

[Alaron`]

Lots of stuff.

[Kzod]

Lighter game engine. HoN is somewhat heavy, for example alt-tabbing takes about 20 seconds and after the game is closed it takes sometime before computer runs smooth again.
Powerful map editor after or soon after release.
Better replay controls for video making. For example camera waypoint system.
Built-in video recorder. You don't need Fraps and people with weaker PC's can make HD videos.



For how powerful the K2 engine is, it is extremely light. The HoN client is 600 MB for ****'s sake, even dial up users can download that ****. I am sorry to inform you that those things you're complaining about are you and your shitty ass computer's fault. I don't even have a good computer and I don't experience any of those issues. It takes half a second to alt-tab and my computer runs smoothly all the time with HoN running in the background.
HoN's map editor is amazing.
-facepalm. Starting to feel like I'm getting trolled.
ROFL yeah you're definitely trolling.


tl;dr - 5/10 decent troll but could use some work

[KleinAberOho]

OP has a shitty computer and sucks at using it. All points are moot.

[Thysios]

If you want to alt-tab faster you can turn exclusive mode off.

[Kild]

http://blog.dota2.com/2010/11/dota-2-qa/

confirmed:

ai
better matchmaking servers
spectating matches already playing
built in time delay for shoutcasting
steam cloud replay system (s2 deletes all our old replays now :()
coaching

[KingBane]

Ever since I heard about Dota 2, I've been thinking: What can Dota 2 do better? I'm sure most people on this forum agree that HoN is pretty solid game. I mean really; all the versatile heros, leaver-protection, reconnect ability, concede vote, mod support, game modes, ranking system and so on. On top of that the game is developing, somewhat established e-sports and active & good community (referring to forums).

What is going to be better in Dota 2? I can think of only two things and that's larger player base and development. Larger player base huge advantage since it's going to guarantee development and more/better fan made content/media will be created. E-sports will be better in every area: higher level of play, higher level and more of casting, higher level turneys and prizes. Valve is a big company so they will develop and they will develop every area. They don't have too chose whether they will develop heroes, AI opponents or map editor.

That's what's going to be better, then what could Dota 2 do better? I can think of the followings things:


Lighter game engine. HoN is somewhat heavy, for example alt-tabbing takes about 20 seconds and after the game is closed it takes sometime before computer runs smooth again.
Powerful map editor after or soon after release.
Better replay controls for video making. For example camera waypoint system.
Built-in video recorder. You don't need Fraps and people with weaker PC's can make HD videos.

Those I can think of but they are just extra, topping on a cake. What about the core game and gameplay? I honestly can't think of anything. So the question remains open: What can Dota 2 do better?


these are all assumptions, they haven't released ANYTHING about dota 2 except 4 wallpapers of 4 hero's. dota 2 is the most overhyped game to be announced in recent years.

with that said i'd probably still get it and play it. just saying going all fanboy crazy when you have absolutely zero information on what the game is going to be like, is stupid.

[SolarFlare22]

A.I. support
OMG mode
WTF mode

[Debaurer]

They could do everything except chipper better

[DaTom]

What can dota 2 do better : everything, really. Theres nothing perfect in this game.

What will dota 2 do better is the real question, and i believe its gonna be : near everything.

In dota 2 we trust to save MOBA, cuz HoN just failed us and LoL...

[Eishun]

1.lighter?do you mean heavier? i bet dota 2 will be at least 2gb++, with higher specification than HoN
2.maybe
3.hon's replay is good enough, but maybe dota 2 will have better
4.maybe



what can dota 2 do better? by not selling power for money, like LoL,like HoN right now

[Ridku]

Valve just leaked some more info about dota 2, and guess what...

http://dota2talk.com/news/valve-leaks-more-dota-2-changelogs/?PHPSESSID=lujp7qpa9ic5gpfdataaooka86

[Repugnance]

channeling bar seems legit, accidentally leaking content on the tf2 site seems fake as hell.

[BigBagOCrabs]

That barely constitutes ripping off. Don't give half a **** about Dota 2, but this really isn't a big deal

[Omgopolis]

Honestly, S2 has put out a pretty amazing game. I haven't had any technical issues since beta, the replay system is amazing, and the game itself is pretty tops. Valve will have to bring their A-game to do better, and if their game isn't F2P I'm not really interested at this point considering how solid HoN is.

I think folks are expecting way too much from Valve. I know they're a solid group, but it seems people are expecting them to deliver a perfect game for everyone without making any money at all.

[Watercat]

Of course, you copy off of stuff that is succesful. HoN took loL f2p idea why? Because that worked and made money

[kuroteH]

balance better than a monkey

[WHY_U_SO_MAD]

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/6374/dsc0988e.jpg
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6637/dsc0990n.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/158/dsc0992a.jpg
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1837/dsc0993h.jpg

[Malfusion]

Critical bug fixing in less than half a years time (path finding, same frame kill)

Servers that actually stay up and can be logged in to.

Stats page that doesn't have errors most of the time (stats page was down for months because of a bad link)

A REAL reporting system - can't even report players unless you have played AND finished a game with them - once reported nothing is done anyway. I personally have actual evidence and experience that the reporting system is not effective - I'm sure everyone else does too. This includes measures against planting/griefing/feeding.

When will HoN allow players to take items off someone elses courier when they decide to grief and unshare? Never - because S2 is ****.

[Novasonic]

Dota 2 will have dedicated servers... i will play with people from my country with better ping... 20 MS instead of 250


win

[KanuMyUnchou]

Think of this game as dota 2, and dota 2 is dota 3 or maybe dota with better graphics is all which means dota 1.2 ROFL.

[zopy]

And hon will obv copy ideas from dota2 in upcoming patches. :3

[Kache]

Lighter game engine. HoN is somewhat heavy, for example alt-tabbing takes about 20 seconds and after the game is closed it takes sometime before computer runs smooth again.



If you like to alt-tab a lot with HoN, go to Graphics Options and turn Exclusive Mode off (at the expense of some graphics quality), and you'll be able to alt-tab instantly.


A.I. support
OMG mode
WTF mode

Def A.I. support for new players. They can even just start with the easiest heroes and/or outsource to the community to create AI scripts.

The latter two would be so easy to implement, I don't know why they they haven't already.

[Novasonic]

Where is the hon mobile?

[forbreakfast]

That's a pretty underwhelming ripoff............. why is this a thread?

[ArnoldRimmer]

why :dead:

[Repugnance]

looks like that thing sees a lot of ass

[netygraph]

-facepalm. Starting to feel like I'm getting trolled.
ROFL yeah you're definitely trolling.


How about you elaborate?


If you want to alt-tab faster you can turn exclusive mode off.Ah thank you, so that's what the problem was.


OP has a shitty computer and sucks at using it. All points are moot.What points? The 4 things I listed were just things that I think HoN could improve on (= what dota 2 could do better).


these are all assumptions, they haven't released ANYTHING about dota 2 except 4 wallpapers of 4 hero's. dota 2 is the most overhyped game to be announced in recent years. What assumptions? I only made 2 assumptions which were: Dota 2 will have bigger community and they will have bigger development. You could also take those as a fact.

[facedown]

I am hoping they will have a better system to ban the trolls and griefers.

[Ridku]

they recalled Guinsoo’s Scythe of Vyse too.... guess what's the new name, yeah, SHEEPSTICK... here's the link:

http://www.dota2-utilities.com/news/dota-2-details-leaked-by-beta-tester/68/

[Juuto]

No Nome.

No Dogkaiser.

No Diva.

I'm in!

[`Fluttershy]

and how is that a bad thing that dota2 adds a GOOD feature? gtfo troll

[Slut]

Dota 2 will have dedicated servers... i will play with people from my country with better ping... 20 MS instead of 250


win
You are stupid.

[Thysios]

they recalled Guinsoo’s Scythe of Vyse too.... guess what's the new name, yeah, SHEEPSTICK... here's the link:

http://www.dota2-utilities.com/news/dota-2-details-leaked-by-beta-tester/68/

- Shop layout has been beautifully designed inspired by Heroes of Newerth.
lol?

Looks like they didn't remove EM :(

[decayed`cell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuINbQ3PLU0&feature=feedu
Yes,graphics are still bad,but the map looks some kind of king of the hill.S2 is so screwed if they don't release that god damned custom map function ( they are already screwed,but ... )

[Mellow]

Looks very similar to that other Dota mode that Icefrog implemented some time ago to me

[decayed`cell]

I don't know what you're talking about ( even though I played DotA for 3 years ).

[Francho]

he is trolling

[Sdric]

HoN went F2P but DotA and LoL also armed their weapons.
Will it be enough or has S2 also some big announcement to make?
Is HoN ready for battle?

[qazqazqaz]

So F2P isn't big enough? I say F2P is bigger than some map.

[DemKy]

Hon -> EARLY ACCES

YAY BRO

[Grim]

5k tourney lol

[Jezu]

a new map is a huge thing?

....

and who cares about lol updates, the game is worse than hon on competitive level by far.

[Hat_Truck]

I also have no idea what you're referring to tbh.

Personally, I don't like League of Legends very much, but I appreciate that they are trying to innovate in a genre that seems over-formulaic at this point. Of course this may just be a last-ditch effort to save their asses from the coming MOBA Apocalypse known as DotA 2, but at least they aren't pissing off their playerbase in the process. Personally, I think LoL will survive and do fine because their intentions were already very clear from the beginning. They never tried to hide that they were making a DotA/WoW hybrid that was primarily casual and for-profit. I think people can respect someone with transparent bad intentions (Riot) over a company that lies about having good intentions and ends up pretty much in the same boat as the former, after losing a massive amount of face.

Either way, I still think DotA 2 will be the king of the genre, with LoL being the place to go for casual gamers and people without credit cards. Honestly I don't think LoL clones like Rise of the Immortals and Realm of the Titans are going to make it very far either.

[Mellow]

This:
* Implemented a new game mode -cp (-capturepoint)

This game mode requires more teamwork and coordination than you might expect from your usual funmode.

After 10 minutes, 6 capture points appear at fixed locations around the map. Once the capture points are created, those areas are permanently visible to both teams for the rest of the game.

To capture a point, you have to be standing on it for a certain amount of time. The more heroes standing on it the faster you gain control over it. There cannot be any enemy heroes at a point you are trying to capture. With 5 heroes it requires 12.5 seconds to capture (60 for just 1 hero). Heroes cannot be invisible while on a capture point area. Illusions do not count as heroes when on top of a Capture Point.

There are 3 types of capture points, if you get 2 of the same type then they stack. Duplicates of each type are available on opposite sides of the map.

The game announces when an enemy captures a point. It is also visible on the minimap which areas you have captured and which areas the enemy has. When you capture a point, your team's heroes gain bonuses to various attributes (described below)

Combat - CP Type 1 [Bonus Damage/Armor]: Increases your Damage by 14 and Armor by 4 (Twice of each if you have both)
Regen - CP Type 2 [Bonus Health/Mana Regeneration]: Increases your Health Regeneration by 4 and Mana Regeneration by 1
Speed - CP Type 3 [Bonus Movement/Attack Speed]: Increases your Movement Speed by 4% and Attack Speed by 12%

If you have two of the same type, you get twice the bonus. For example, if you have both Combat you get 28 bonus damage and 8 bonus armor.

Whenever your team captures or recaptures a point, all allied heroes in that area will get healed for 200 hp/mp, gain 150 bonus gold and bonus xp (4 creeps worth)

[VanVendetta]

Hon uninstall

[ArnoldRimmer]

Take it or leave it.

When you see screens the 17th or whenever I'll bump this thread :'3

[GLun]

Custom Maps!

[Flawless]

Another "promise" from LoL? See you in 3 years. Note that they have a nice spec ui / replays just not for the public.. Ill be surprised if that map is playable before DotA2 comes out.

[iggoms]

That actually looks very fun.


The graphics look more vibrant, hopefully it is. I'd go play LoL just for that map.

[shakezilla]

Dominion = Grimm's crossing?

I can't look at most links from work, it sounded like a quicker, more action oriented version of the 5v5 game... which is exactly what Grimm's crossing is

[_Akeldama_]

nobody gives a **** about LoL maps. but yeah the 1 mil tourney is gonna jumpstart dota 2 so fast s2 is gonna be left in the dust eating their own ****.

vavle+steam+1million tourney+dota competitive scene+dota 2=death of hon

[Testingrani]

If they release LAN, it would be real big.

[Jareth]

Another "promise" from LoL? See you in 3 years. Note that they have a nice spec ui / replays just not for the public.. Ill be surprised if that map is playable before DotA2 comes out.

Apprently it's going to be playable at Gamescom. Though no word on an actual release after that.

I agree with you though. Riot is like a fat man who chows down on a prime steak, tells you how amazing it is but refuses to let you have one yourself.

Gruel is all we get. :/

[qazqazqaz]

derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp

Wrong tab, this isn't dota forum. Crawl back to your trolling cave.

[Weasel_Boy]

Dominion = Grimm's crossing?

I can't look at most links from work, it sounded like a quicker, more action oriented version of the 5v5 game... which is exactly what Grimm's crossing is
It's king of the hill. Didn't look at how many hills it has though.

[FirenzE]

who cares about hon and lol

[Bloodspeaker]

who cares about hon and lol

Pretty much this ^

[Eishun]

EA, F2p

it's crash and burn patch

[SexyDieter]

LoL and Dota2 have no chance against one EA hero every two weeks.

[omgbbq2]

it has been said alien swarm is the template of dota 2 graphics. they also have identical system requirements, which are lower than hon's

oh well, we shall all see, come august 17

[YugiMuto]

DotA 2 > HoN & LoL

[miy0]

dota was a huge success obviously. hon copies dota to improve the outdated gameplay. dota2 is the sequel of dota. there is NO logical reason that hon could survive dota2, since hon is just a copy of dota, while dota2 is the ****ing sequel to it.

[_Akeldama_]

Wrong tab, this isn't dota forum. Crawl back to your trolling cave.

madcuzdota2>hon?

you can't deny it. dota 2 will wipe out hon. id say at least 70% of frequent hon players played dota, and at least 70% of that group has turned against s2 with the huge amounts of downtime, broken heroes,, no custom maps, and now the early access bullshit. so thats a huge chunk of the hon community thats going to dota 2. with that, and all the dota players going to dota 2, and all the publicity it will get with the 1 million dollar tourney, and the fact that it's valve, hon wont last. and if it does, its gonna be a small ass playerbase and no competitive scene.

[Hax]

dota was a huge success obviously. hon copies dota to improve the outdated gameplay. dota2 is the sequel of dota. there is NO logical reason that hon could survive dota2, since hon is just a copy of dota, while dota2 is the ****ing sequel to it.

DotA 2 is no more a sequel than HoN. It is a copy. The main difference is that valve paid big bucks for the dota name.

[`lorko]

Its like bloodline champions. xd

[`Fluttershy]

RIP HoN.

[Hat_Truck]

Which of the following is the biggest mistake Valve could make for DotA 2?

1. Free-to-play model.
-A lot of people don't like this model because it's easy to smurf, leave, and grief when you don't have to pay for the game. Credit cards tend to keep out a lot of the riff raff.

2. Selling power to the player (Hats).
-Pretty self-explanatory.

3. Game too expensive ($50 or more).

4. Monthly-fee system (Pay-to-play like MMOs).

5. Inadequate leaver system.
-Considering how bad leavers were in DotA, there's some speculation over whether DotA 2 will crack down on them hard enough the way that HoN has.

6. Game buggy/laggy/unpolished on release.
-Considering how quickly Valve created DotA 2, and how buggy HoN and LoL were on release, there is a huge possibility DotA 2 will be very buggy as well.

7. Gameplay inferior to HoN.
-DotA 1 was balanced on the Warcraft 3 engine around many things which won't apply anymore, such as input delay (lag). It could take several months or years for DotA 2 to fully transition the balance to an entirely new engine.

8. Valve makes promises they don't keep.
-Both S2 and Riot have been guilty of this

9. Several of the above.
-Maybe you're a person who wouldn't quit playing if it was just one of these things, but several of them could make you leave DotA 2. If so, please list which ones in a post.

10. There's nothing Valve could do to make me stay with HoN.

Please vote for your selection and make a post explaining why (especially if you chose option 9 or 10). Thanks!

[the_champ]

Pay to play....but I don't expect to stay with Hon regardless.

[jacksoncross]

Either Selling powers to the player, or monthly fee would ruin it for me. I dont care to much if the game is $50, because lets be honest its a steam game. That's shits gonna be on sale for like $10 in no less then 6 months. Either way though I wouldn't mind paying the full $50 provided its a good game. As for buggy/unpolished on released bit, I don't mind to much as a few bugs are always missed during the beta stages of game development. I have faith that any major bugs will be found early, or fixed rapidly.
As for a free to play model I have mixed feelings, I'm all for free to play so long as they don't make money in cheap ways such as limited champion selection, or selling powers to the players. Honestly if LoL has proven anything its that you can make a lot of money on cosmetics alone. So I'd be all for free to play so long as they stick to cosmetics and don't alter the game experience for those that don't want to fork over cash. I am most likely going to leave HoN regardless of the success of DoTA2 though.
I'll just end up playing guild wars 2 if DoTA2 sucks, and if guild wars 2 sucks, I'll probably just become a hermit on a small island somewhere in the Atlantic, doing nothing but fishing all day.

[m_or]

Well, here are some things that Valve has done in the past that has pissed me off and I hope it doesn't happen with dota 2:

Steam in general:
- The price point for any new steam game, is taking the dollar value of the game and put a euro sign in front instead, forcing you to pay an european premium (steam is the most expensive place to buy games, on the internet and in retail)

Left 4 Dead:
- Release Left 4 Dead
- You realize how empty the game is, hope they provide new updates soon, like they did with tf2
- They announce they intend to release L4D2 a year after
- Outrage in the community, when asked why, they say that there is stuff they want to implement that isn't possible in the current iteration of L4D and they have to make a new game
- Valve basically created a retail priced beta, without even knowing (I personally don't buy it)

TF2:
- Really amazing at the start
- Robin Walker (lead designer) is a massive RPG-tard, decides to turn TF2 into a RPG
- Makes new weapons for every class, at first cool-cool, however the weapons become increasingly nonsensical and the buffs they provide, arbitrary
- Starts releasing random item drops, hats etc., I think I left after they gave the demoman a ****ing sword (yes, a sword)
- Somewhere in between all that they add a bunch of unoptimized particle effects to the engine, making the game nearly unplayable (I used to play that game on all high, had to use an ultra low setting mod to play the game)
-If you think S2 glitches are bad, anyone remember when the ambassador was first released? The thing was bugged as hell, was basically a soldier rocket launcher in gun form. If you weren't lucky enough to have the item randomly drop on you, you stood no chance in any server, basically couldn't play the game for the entire duration, until it was fixed

Valve makes great SP games, but don't think for a second that they won't milk any of their MP games for all they are worth as soon as they see diminishing profits/chance to make a quick buck, in a much more thoughtless way than S2 has ever done. There is no guarantee that they won't fire icefrog as soon as they've used him for what they want, don't want to be disappointed, but this is Valve, they make the worst MP games out there (or at least actively try turning their products into turds).

[Coolcollo]

The only thing would be pay to play.

Since my prospects for internet seem good by the time DotA2 comes out I'll be fine. Got my new rig up and running, just don't have internet that is decent on it :(.

I'm fine if a game sells power to players AT THE START, but not in the middle after refusing to do so.

[Z3ROCOOL22]

HON 3.0 > dota 2/lol/rott

[LIONEL_MESSI]

prob wont play it if its f2p with a system like LoL and HoN. id be willing to pay monthly IF i was able to use all the heroes.

[Darknuke]

RIP HoN.

well if HoN dies, come play Progenitor: Prologue on Xbox 360 when it comes out at the end of the month ;)

[airplane]

interview of a top russian player who's in closed beta.. translated from russian in a thread on playdota.com:

"Q: The teams participating the tournament was played Dota 2 already in it?
A: Yes, they play it.
Q: We see IceFrog `a?
A: I think so, you'll see. (Most likely it was his participation in GamesCom)
Q: V1lat, how much will it cost Dota 2?
A: I do not have accurate information on this subject, but probably no more than $ 30.
Q: You played in a Dota 2?
A: Yes, he played.
Q: Are there audio chat in Dota 2?
A: Yes. And the great, the quality is better than in Ventrilo.
Q: microtransactions in Dota 2 will be?
A: No, it will be a free game. Buy and play.
Q: Achievements (Achivki \ Achievements) in Dota 2 will be?
A: Yes, to be exact ... already.
Q: How does it feel Dota 2 versus RoT, LoL, HoN?
A: Good.
Q: Kruce HoN?
A: For me, yes.
Q: Last Hit will be?
A: Yes, of course. It's the same game, just on a new engine.
Q: Will the skins and the internal store?
A: No, no.
Q: Dota two darker than usual?
A: The graphics is good. No, not darker. Very cool display Day \ Night.
Q: In Dota 2 is a map?
A: Of course yes.
Q: The game will be adapted for the Mac?
A: Well, promised to think it will be.
Q: In Dota 2 will be Russian voice?
A: I do not answer, so far there is only English.
Q: V1lat do you think who will win the tournament, LGD, CCM or TyLoo?
A: I think 90 percent would win LGD."

[`Fluttershy]

well if HoN dies, come play Progenitor: Prologue on Xbox 360 when it comes out at the end of the month ;)
no, i saw that video and it was awful.

[redeye998]

DOTA2-The tournament, will give to the winner team 1 million $.
Imagine how many money they spent to make DOTA2.
and... yes... it will be perfect!

[Darknuke]

no, i saw that video and it was awful.

You realize the game is an indie game and it's only $3 right?

[`Fluttershy]

You realize the game is an indie game and it's only $3 right?
HoN is an indie game and it's free.

[Darknuke]

HoN is an indie game and it's free.

Really? That's like saying Epic Games is an indie company -.-. And HoN has only recently become free. I paid $30 for my copy.

HoN free doesn't even give you access to the full game either fyi... That doesn't really mean it's truly free.

Plus, the game is only $3... Are you trying to say that Progenitor looks bad for a $3 game?

[`Fluttershy]

Yes.

[Evermourn]

interview of a top russian player who's in closed beta.. translated from russian in a thread on playdota.com:

"Q: The teams participating the tournament was played Dota 2 already in it?
A: Yes, they play it.
Q: We see IceFrog `a?
A: I think so, you'll see. (Most likely it was his participation in GamesCom)
Q: V1lat, how much will it cost Dota 2?
A: I do not have accurate information on this subject, but probably no more than $ 30.
Q: You played in a Dota 2?
A: Yes, he played.
Q: Are there audio chat in Dota 2?
A: Yes. And the great, the quality is better than in Ventrilo.
Q: microtransactions in Dota 2 will be?
A: No, it will be a free game. Buy and play.
Q: Achievements (Achivki \ Achievements) in Dota 2 will be?
A: Yes, to be exact ... already.
Q: How does it feel Dota 2 versus RoT, LoL, HoN?
A: Good.
Q: Kruce HoN?
A: For me, yes.
Q: Last Hit will be?
A: Yes, of course. It's the same game, just on a new engine.
Q: Will the skins and the internal store?
A: No, no.
Q: Dota two darker than usual?
A: The graphics is good. No, not darker. Very cool display Day \ Night.
Q: In Dota 2 is a map?
A: Of course yes.
Q: The game will be adapted for the Mac?
A: Well, promised to think it will be.
Q: In Dota 2 will be Russian voice?
A: I do not answer, so far there is only English.
Q: V1lat do you think who will win the tournament, LGD, CCM or TyLoo?
A: I think 90 percent would win LGD."


The person person supposedly interviewed was V1lat, a Russian commentator and former team manager, not a player.

This has also been confirmed to be fake by V1lat himself.

[`KaiZer]

The person person supposedly interviewed was V1lat, a Russian commentator and former team manager, not a player.

This has also been confirmed to be fake by V1lat himself.

source?

[Evermourn]

source?

http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/thread/799185

V1lat confirms interview to be false on comment #11

[jaano]

What ya guys think? After all the hype everyone thinks how its going be a God like game.

Will it have better graphics?
Better game play? Faster/slower units?
Better heroes? atleast DotA2 will have the heroes i miss badly from DotA.

HoN atm still feels very exciteing and fabulous to play and looks great.
Good sign of good game is how it gives u up and down feelings when your game is going bad or good.


Early Access Program is something i dont even notice when i play.
Havent seen Monkey King do anything special or that this Hero would be so OP to win games for its team.

thx for reading :D

[gamergamer]

Yes, Dota 2 will be huge failure.
White knight detected. ME

[Alterior]

It will have lots of players. Just for its name and its developer. It will have its problems, and its fanboys. Better/worse unsure. Will see soon enough.

[Wae_to_hoT]

DOTA2 will fix your minds

[song_tinh]

Maybe. Because
- You pay $30-40 again to play DotA Heroes (also in HoN)
- Same Graphics
- Same Server Location
- Same system
- Same Mechanics
- Same retards/trolls

But

DotA
- Wait 2-3 months for 2 new heroes
- IceFraud
- No more Scout, Too bad! It's me Blacksmith

HoN
- Wait 2 weeks for 1 heroes
- S2Games

[Gizzleby]

Will it have better graphics?


Definitely not. Heroes will be huge pixels that can only be distinguished by colour.

[Skylinx]

Maybe. Because
- You pay $30-40 again to play DotA Heroes (also in HoN)
- Same Graphics
- Same Server Location
- Same system
- Same Mechanics
- Same retards/trolls

But

DotA
- Wait 2-3 months for 2 new heroes
- IceFraud
- No more Scout, Too bad! It's me Blacksmith

HoN
- Wait 2 weeks for 1 heroes
- S2Games

OH GOD I WANT 2 NEW HEROES EVERY WEEK

NOT

christ... :mali:

[Eosforos]

Don'r read up bullshit rumors!
As for the poll, Valve cannot do anything wrong! :P

[maRCZ]

DOTA2 will fix your minds

This is exactly what I've been waiting for. Dota 2 will not only cleans your minds from corruption, but also bring forth the inner sactum inside you. Once you've touched Dota 2 and felt its charm, only then can you become truly purified from HoN.

PS: I'm not a fanboy, just a MOBA-Priest.:mart:

[Eosforos]

1 million USD... Do you hear S2? :P

[Player27]

Well, actually its pretty easy to compare HoN to DotA 2 cause it's basically comparing the game play of HoN vs DotA.

DotA:s main weakness was never the graphics or the game play. It was the lack of support and thus the community was spread out over several different clients. Also many of these were leaver infested. More so, another problem was the fakking lag and disconnects. Dota-League, for instance, has the problem with lags which makes the gaming-experience not so good.

However if DotA 2 solves these issues then the game will be a success cause DotA:s game play is still vastly superior to HoNs. I mean, honestly, has anything S2 games added to the game made "DotA"/HoN better?

I would actually say no, they haven't added a single hero, item or map-change that made the game better. Rather it made their game worse. I mean - HoN was the most fun in the beta when it resembled DotA 6.59/.6.60 the most. After that everything was downhill. DotA however has become more and more fun with every patch. All though 6.48 remains a classic and 6.52 was a personal favorite i would say that DotA 6.72 is vastly superior to all earlier DotA versions. Thats nothing you can say about HoN since everything added is just a) boring b) flat c) no skill.

And still to this point, the heroes of DotA are more fun than HoN:s. Compare the DotA ports in HoN with their originals and the obvious conclusion is that the DotA ones are the best tweaked, best balanced (in terms of joy and power). There is nothing S2 games touch that they do not destroy.

So why did I even play HoN? As i said, because these flaws isn't enough to change the fact that HoN has better latency, reconnect and less leavers - and those three things were enough to make this game preferable all though the gameplay sucked in comparison to dota. All DotA 2 has to add is these features and some clan support and the game is set.

Also on another point, HoN:s art is honestly ridiculous. There is nothing more boring than the wannabe hardcore fantasy art-style. I hope that DotA 2 resembles WC3 more in that regard.

[Testingrani]

Dota 2 will be fixing majority of the issues in DotA.

Being a stand-alone game has many advantages over being just a Warcraft 3 map.

[Miku_Hatsune]

there will be much i will miss ; but overall i'll be happy to leave hon for dota ; the next EA hero will remind me of this

[CUXOB]

Valve should look up evolution in wikipedia. S2 took best heros from dota, made better graphics, and then added new heros developed by a company and not by one random person. Dota became HoN, and Valve wants to stick to old dumb Icefrog heros for some reason? No way.

[C00LBeans]

Maybe. Because
- You pay $30-40 again to play DotA Heroes (also in HoN)
- Same Graphics
- Same Server Location
- Same system
- Same Mechanics
- Same retards/trolls

But

DotA
- Wait 2-3 months for 2 new heroes
- IceFraud
- No more Scout, Too bad! It's me Blacksmith

HoN
- Wait 2 weeks for 1 heroes
- S2Games

I never thought of it that way. You're absolutely right lols.

We will be paying another 30 dollars or even more for heroes we can already play in HoN.

It will most likely have same graphics indeed, you can't do much better than HoN.

There will be even more trolls in Dota 2.

Waiting 2-3 months for new updates seems about right. Valve is the type of company that thinks "We don't really need to update our game but we do it anyways, they should be lucky we give them updates" the community also says this everytime someone complains on updates or how slow they get updates for the games.

Dota 2 will only be good because i am sure it's going to have SDK available and possibly serveral modes already implemented. Everything else will be pretty much HoN, nothing new.

We will have to see what happens 2 months after Dota 2's release.

[Player27]

Valve should look up evolution in wikipedia. S2 took best heros from dota, made better graphics, and then added new heros developed by a company and not by one random person. Dota became HoN, and Valve wants to stick to old dumb Icefrog heros for some reason? No way.


Best heroes? :nigh: :bloo: :wild: :flin: :warb: :vind: :ramp:

They missed out on like 15-20 key heroes from DotA.

Also, you and S2 Games should look up the term degeneration or degeneracy. Thats what HoN is compared to DotA. Also Icefrog >>>> all else, when it comes to Moba.

[OgerAffe]

dota 2 will be shitloads better, and the heros in dota > the s2 creations

[Jonasies]

Player27 has it.

My hopes in S2 dissapeared when they implemented striders and blood chalice. After that it just got ALOT worse implementing heroes like myrmadon (the skillset of this int hero is a laugh) and deciding too add one hero every 2 weeks without putting any thought behind them (like what they would achive in the current meta game).

[FlawlessVic]

dota2 will be pure casualgame, valve will come with tv commercials and stuff and all those dota kids will come who still buy 2 botts cuz 2 feet.
Ur used to get chicken and wards as mid in hon? Forget it in Dota2, realize it before ull start flamin again over Hon.
Average hon communitymmr=1350
Average dota communitymmr=500
Average dota2 communitymmr=-300
Nuff said massive s2 fantroll

[Trolloc]

We don`t know much about DOTA.
If by launch they have every DOTA hero ported, that alone will make the game worth the purchase. If it is a condensed version and we will simply get heroes ported from Dota every month, then I may hold off.

As far as new hero creations go, we don`t know until the game launches. Valve has more resources than S2 and if DOTA 2 sells well, than they will have a larger staff than S2. Ice Frog took months to port in DOTA because he was a volunteer and real life obviously would take priority. Not that DOTA 2 is a career we will likely get heroes much quicker. At the same pace as S2? Probably not, but, we can't make assumptions.

When it comes to graphic, we will know by the end of the month. Based on the four poster DOTA 2 released, I would be surprised if HoN is blown out of the water. Those posters were better than any art I ever seen from HoN.

[Rofl_Cake]

HoN and LoL playerbase will converge. If you can't crawl out of the low bracket fast, then it will suck for whoever is stuck down there.

[song_tinh]

Player27 has it.

My hopes in S2 dissapeared when they implemented striders and blood chalice. After that it just got ALOT worse implementing heroes like myrmadon (the skillset of this int hero is a laugh) and deciding too add one hero every 2 weeks without putting any thought behind them (like what they would achive in the current meta game).

Don't force DotA Metagame = HoN Metagame


They missed out on like 15-20 key heroes from DotA.
Check this: http://www.youtube.com/user/WoDotA
We have 80% key heroes from DotA, man, It's BIG!

[DreadLocks]

Don't force DotA Metagame = HoN Metagame


Check this: http://www.youtube.com/user/WoDotA
We have 80% key heroes from DotA, man, It's BIG!


Implying that all dota heroes were simply awesome.
False.

[BlakeDarko]

Maybe. Because
- You pay $30-40 again to play DotA Heroes (also in HoN)
- Same Graphics
- Same Server Location
- Same system
- Same Mechanics
- Same retards/trolls

But

DotA
- Wait 2-3 months for 2 new heroes
- IceFraud
- No more Scout, Too bad! It's me Blacksmith

HoN
- Wait 2 weeks for 1 heroes
- S2Games


ROFL, everybody thinks that the development of dota2 will be the same speed as dota. ITS A WHOLE TEAM BEHIND THE ****IN GAME. there wont be any waiting. Oh and, dota will be ran on deticated servers too, so, get your facts right before u post.

[Qweret]

Best heroes? :nigh: :bloo: :wild: :flin: :warb: :vind: :ramp:

They missed out on like 15-20 key heroes from DotA.

Also, you and S2 Games should look up the term degeneration or degeneracy. Thats what HoN is compared to DotA. Also Icefrog >>>> all else, when it comes to Moba.



:vind:?????
SILENCER is BOSS!?!
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRW6AEyLUt-RbbkjRuGqsi5ZYR3YZjjuV7fuEoGauJf_abVUeEZ
How can't you love silencer!?!
Vindicator model is a bit fail, but ok...still godly hero thats absolutely needed to counter combos with tempest/Behemoth/Magmus etc.

[Bainshie]

Advntages of Dota 2 (Based on previous Valve games)

Better graphics (Source beats K2 engine hands down, less crashes for a start.
Better server system (all servers will be player owned = plenty of BR, russian, AU etc servers)
Bigger playerbase (Valve knows how to advertise and does word of mouth properly, unlike $2.)
Better SDK (Considering that $2 seems to have put that on the shelf forever.)
Better competitive community (Possible pro mod + 1 million dollar torny)

Disadvantages of Dota 2.

Lack a few of the nice $2 heros (You know all 4 of them)
Cheaters will be in 0.00000000000000000000001% of games.
Presumably not as hardcore as HoN (Wont be publicly available stats like MMr etc etc, this is a positive/negative depending on how you look at it)

[Player27]

Don't force DotA Metagame = HoN Metagame


Check this: http://www.youtube.com/user/WoDotA
We have 80% key heroes from DotA, man, It's BIG!


WoDota rocks :D

But honestly - HoN hero pool is inferior to DotA:s. Thats all i wanted to say ;D.

[pirkee]

u mean HoN is big fail, obviusly?

[GLun]

DotA 2 will have graphics like Hello Kittie Online or LoL.

[ForTheTrees]

What got me out of dota (and probably most) and into the HoN beta in the first place was the reconnect feature, in-game voip, stats, and anti-leave. Most dota games had leaves/feeders and there was no system against them unless you played in dotaleague or tda or something.

What i realized i liked a lot about hon, is that it was slightly faster. Instead of having very long games (45-60 was the norm it seemed) in dota. Games in HoN were about 30-45 mins. I REALLY liked this change as i felt it didnt negatively impact gameplay too much, games progressed quicker, and therefore i could get more games in.

Another thing about HoN was it just felt so damn smooth compared to the wc3 engine and wc3 lag. there is no delay on the heroes which felt like night and day.

Overall, s2 hasnt added that much that will not be included in dota2. The leaver/stat/matchmaking/voip will likely all be there. The engine will be much smoother than wc3 dota. The only thing i think dota2 wont have, is slightly faster games. Instead we will have dota-like game lengths which sort of sucks for me personally.

So really, HoN > dota at the beginning, because it was dota itself with improved features. But now that dota2 is coming out, i dont think theres much HoN has to offer over dota2. People are going to go where the player base goes. Im not going to play HoN when its empty. The only thing that might keep me from playing dota2 long term would be the matchmaking/stat/leaver system, assuming it is worse than HoN's.

HoN had its day. Its only hope is that people dont like the beta for some reason.

[Lolcraft]

There's no doubt that about 80% of the people here will go and try Dota2. Whether it lives up to the hype and our expectations is a different story. I'll stay cautiously optimistic about it, but if it's somehow terrible at launch I have no problems coming back here.

[Ryuukun]

DotA
- Wait 2-3 months for 2 new heroes Thanks god
- No more Scout, Too bad! It's me Blacksmith Ogre Magi? And who cares about memes anyways?

HoN
- Wait 2 weeks for 1 heroes I really hate that system.
- S2Games LOL

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[Player27]

What got me out of dota (and probably most) and into the HoN beta in the first place was the reconnect feature, in-game voip, stats, and anti-leave. Most dota games had leaves/feeders and there was no system against them unless you played in dotaleague or tda or something.

What i realized i liked a lot about hon, is that it was slightly faster. Instead of having very long games (45-60 was the norm it seemed) in dota. Games in HoN were about 30-45 mins. I REALLY liked this change as i felt it didnt negatively impact gameplay too much, games progressed quicker, and therefore i could get more games in.

Another thing about HoN was it just felt so damn smooth compared to the wc3 engine and wc3 lag. there is no delay on the heroes which felt like night and day.

Overall, s2 hasnt added that much that will not be included in dota2. The leaver/stat/matchmaking/voip will likely all be there. The engine will be much smoother than wc3 dota. The only thing i think dota2 wont have, is slightly faster games. Instead we will have dota-like game lengths which sort of sucks for me personally.

So really, HoN > dota at the beginning, because it was dota itself with improved features. But now that dota2 is coming out, i dont think theres much HoN has to offer over dota2. People are going to go where the player base goes. Im not going to play HoN when its empty. The only thing that might keep me from playing dota2 long term would be the matchmaking/stat/leaver system, assuming it is worse than HoN's.

HoN had its day. Its only hope is that people dont like the beta for some reason.


Yes - this is true. I hate the speed of HoN and like DotA:s a lot more. Personal preference though. So for me, I truly hope DotA 2 keeps the old speed.

[pirkee]

http://hopefulepiscopalian.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/tinfoil-hat2.jpg

[xmangosx]

Whoever has more maps/map making will be king.

[Crais]

I just hope all you dota fanboys go play Dota2 when it comes out and stop infesting these forums. It will be a truly good riddance.

[Qweret]

Another point is: Diablo3 Beta will come out soon, People with not so much money have to decide: 50$ for DotA2 or 60$ for Diablo 3...

Valve or Blizzard? Or S2?

I like Hon's Features. I like the items they made, i really love them, because they add more possibilities: Harkon's Blade, Nomes Wisdom, Spellshards are very nice items, in my opinion.


Another difference is just the game feeling. HoN has a lot of features, that DotA 2 possibly will have too, but i am excited, if it will have this GAME FEELING, that the old good DotA had.
No other MOBA could make you so satisfied if you raped the other team 2v4 after that 4 leavers, or could make you rage so much, that you throw your computer-mouse around.

Excited if DotA 2 can stand this. Demigod couldn't. HoN couldn't. LoL couldn't.

[`Shifty]

Maybe. Because
- You pay $30-40 again to play DotA Heroes (also in HoN)
- Same Graphics
- Same Server Location
- Same system
- Same Mechanics
- Same retards/trolls

But

DotA
- Wait 2-3 months for 2 new heroes
- IceFraud
- No more Scout, Too bad! It's me Blacksmith

HoN
- Wait 2 weeks for 1 heroes
- S2Games

Stop saying you'll pay 30-40 dollars. This has been confirmed absolutely no where and it is still uncertain whether it will be a one time fee or micro transaction sort of deal.

[Mephistonyx]

the only reason that dota2 will fail is because people have way to much expectations from this game...so even if is good game it wont be so good as people as they expect...so that will be automatically the downfall for dota2 i think.



Another point is: Diablo3 Beta will come out soon,
diablo3 will fail cause they will have microtransactions...no offline play...and an auction house...which means trading items that you find with other playes will be possible only with real money

[Chrysaetos]

It comes down to 3 issues really.

1 - Will the delay / response time from DotA be kept for DotA2?
2 - Which game has the better gameplay flow? (ricefests are boring)
3 - Which game will my friends play?

[Snoowy]

Stop saying you'll pay 30-40 dollars. This has been confirmed absolutely no where and it is still uncertain whether it will be a one time fee or micro transaction sort of deal.

Actually i think i heard a online shop offered DOTA2 for preorder for 50 dollar (it got deleted again). No idea if thats true, but it would make sense to me (Valve would be stupid to offer it for free in my opinion).

Also the reason why DOTA 2 might be huge: Valve = one of the biggest game companies / S2 = small indie studio. Who do you think has more money to improve the Game ?

[ghostpos]

Speculative threads suck. What's this discussion about...your 'feelings' on how a course of events will pan out?

No one cares except nervous nellie's and bored people.

[ForTheTrees]

the only reason that dota2 will fail is because people have way to much expectations from this game...so even if is good game it wont be so good as people as they expect...so that will be automatically the downfall for dota2 i think.


way too high expectations? all people want is an updated dota. Hell, you could keep the game identical to the wc3 dota, add leaver protection, stats, reconnect, and no delay, and everyone would be happy.

Your lame prediction is a joke. THEY EXPECT SO MUCH SO ITS AUTO-FAIL. What exactly are people expecting that they wont get? lol.


I just hope all you dota fanboys go play Dota2 when it comes out and stop infesting these forums. It will be a truly good riddance.

fanboys? lol.

[Kricz]

I think HoN will loose about 80% of its player base once Dota 2 releases or beta starts.
Nearly everything $2 did in the past was stupid... The balancing is total crap, the heroes are more or less stupid, the F2P model with the EAP is totally retarded and just the last try of getting some of your money just to play a new hero about 1 months earlier...
Dota (and with this Dota2) is good balanced (expect Rooftrellen), which HoN isn't. Icefrog knows how to make a game successful and does well balancing changes and good heroes.
Also, I don't think that Valve is not going to ignore, what the community is saying, as IceFrog did with DotA too. $2Games seems to just ignore what players are complaining about and just do what they think is right...
And Dota2 wont have so much problems with server errors and other bugs, which appeared multiple times in HoN (like Bad Data in LogIn, high pings and instable server and so on....)
And I prefer one hero a month rather 1 hero every two weeks, which are mostly overpowered, buggy and so on and who aren't balanced over the next weeks... or months...

[Fomalhaut]

I think HoN will loose about 80% of its player base once Dota 2 releases or beta starts.
Nearly everything $2 did in the past was stupid... The balancing is total crap, the heroes are more or less stupid, the F2P model with the EAP is totally retarded and just the last try of getting some of your money just to play a new hero about 1 months earlier...
Dota (and with this Dota2) is good balanced (expect Rooftrellen), which HoN isn't. Icefrog knows how to make a game successful and does well balancing changes and good heroes.
Also, I don't think that Valve is not going to ignore, what the community is saying, as IceFrog did with DotA too. $2Games seems to just ignore what players are complaining about and just do what they think is right...
And Dota2 wont have so much problems with server errors and other bugs, which appeared multiple times in HoN (like Bad Data in LogIn, high pings and instable server and so on....)
And I prefer one hero a month rather 1 hero every two weeks, which are mostly overpowered, buggy and so on and who aren't balanced over the next weeks... or months...

>>Oh god so many cox from Icefrog I want them all!

I have no idea how people like you get trapped in your fantasies :/. LoL fanboys do the same, claiming their game is so perfectly balanced except for that one guy when they have no proof and that HoN/DotA are nothing but the same 10 heroes in every tourney.

Open your mind and quit being stupid.

[Babel]

way too high expectations? all people want is an updated dota. Hell, you could keep the game identical to the wc3 dota, add leaver protection, stats, reconnect, and no delay, and everyone would be happy.
Well, with very few changes which definitely made sense so far, HoN is kind of what you want - an updated version of wc3 dota, with leaver protection, stats, reconnect, and no delay. The only difference is some dota heroes missing, some S2-heroes added, with some of each being more constructive and extraordinary than some of the respective other.
In addition, to play all of the heroes in dota2 you'll have to pay more than 30$, which is all i had to pay on HoN. I'd bet a Dota2 account that it will either cost more than 30$ to start with, or have a f2p model where you'll have to buy some stuff, thus being more expensive than 30$ to unlock all important content.

[Kradash]

Heres just a little of the new stuff thats coming to Dota2 which is going to be fun, stuff that S2 don't give a **** about.

..
DotA 2 leak posted by anonymous user that explains the current state of the game and game's mechanics:
The beta client is only useable on a special unlocked version of steam, so no sharing.

Valve is doing a lot of creative things with it. They have "classic" mode that is 1 for 1 true to WC3 DotA and a ton of new modes for play as well.

Classic Mode: None of the changes, 100% WC3 Dota
Normal Mode: Orb updates, bug fixes, etc
Easy Mode: No EXP loss from deny, no gold loss on death, etc
All Random All Mid: I give you 1 guess.
Fortress Mode: 1 team is attacking while the other defends, defending team can buy traps, attacking team can buy creeps.
Arena Mode: FFA or teamed death match
Wild Mode: Random heroes with random skills.
Free Mode: No cool downs with no mana cost on skills.
Commander Mode: When you die you are changed into another hero with the same items and same level. The first side to run out of heroes or to lose their base loses.

Really they have done wonderful job porting DotA play over.
The UI aids in last hitting (you can turn it off) where things that you can kill with a melee attack glow a little, Items are pure copies of the DotA items but they reworked the orb system. Also the shop is crazy well designed.
The game is still Str/Agi/Int but most Int heroes have at least 1 spell that scales off their Int at least a little.
Not posting pics or anything as my brother (who got me into the beta) said if I post anything they can sue his ass for all he has ever made working for them.
..

[endra]

i hope Dota2 will be good, but you see, with high expectation also come big dissapointment, so im not expecting so much from DOTA2, and i dont mind playing hon if it turns to be sux

[Kradash]

I highly doubt DotA2 will fail, valve has a very talented staff and is one of the richest.. if not the richest game company in the world, so they got the resources :P

[CustomMode]

Pfft, I don't care if DOTA2 is a traveling roadside donkeyshow circus.
As long as it has some custom maps and modes function-ability, I'll bend over and let them **** me in the ass right now.
S2 has loosened me up already.

[See_Ya]

As from their concerpt art and and only...their graphics looks like Lol's

[Qweret]

Heres just a little of the new stuff thats coming to Dota2 which is going to be fun, stuff that S2 don't give a **** about.

..
DotA 2 leak posted by anonymous user that explains the current state of the game and game's mechanics:
The beta client is only useable on a special unlocked version of steam, so no sharing.

Valve is doing a lot of creative things with it. They have "classic" mode that is 1 for 1 true to WC3 DotA and a ton of new modes for play as well.

Classic Mode: None of the changes, 100% WC3 Dota
Normal Mode: Orb updates, bug fixes, etc
Easy Mode: No EXP loss from deny, no gold loss on death, etc
All Random All Mid: I give you 1 guess.
Fortress Mode: 1 team is attacking while the other defends, defending team can buy traps, attacking team can buy creeps.
Arena Mode: FFA or teamed death match
Wild Mode: Random heroes with random skills.
Free Mode: No cool downs with no mana cost on skills.
Commander Mode: When you die you are changed into another hero with the same items and same level. The first side to run out of heroes or to lose their base loses.

Really they have done wonderful job porting DotA play over.
The UI aids in last hitting (you can turn it off) where things that you can kill with a melee attack glow a little, Items are pure copies of the DotA items but they reworked the orb system. Also the shop is crazy well designed.
The game is still Str/Agi/Int but most Int heroes have at least 1 spell that scales off their Int at least a little.
Not posting pics or anything as my brother (who got me into the beta) said if I post anything they can sue his ass for all he has ever made working for them.
..

Hmmm, if this is true, i really don't if i should by happy or i should cry. Sure, this is newbie friendly, but maybe also takes away a part of skill? I don't know...


The modes sound interesting, also the orb-system...so, it won't be a pure DotA-Copy with new features, but more of a reworked game? Like HoN, just in another direction? Still excited... Hopefully there will be some weeks for Free-2-Play or sth.

[ShiZz`]

Honestly, I don't see why people are complaining about updates and heroes. One hero every two weeks is unnecessary. Most of the heroes appear rushed (seeing as there are a bunch of them being worked on at the same time). There's no need for S2 to be forced to pump out heroes every two weeks, as if they have to. what they should do is release a new hero, give it a while, balance it out, try it out in tournaments, then release the next hero once people have settled in. I mean, for real. Emerald Warden just got removed from the autoban list and then revenant came out, then revenant was barely broken in and now drunken master is out. There are still balance issues from heroes that came out 2 months ago that haven't been addressed.

People are just so impatient. Most games don't have scheduled patch days. You guys are just spoiled by a company that thinks patching is good for the sake of patching.

[DieInAFireS2]

1,000,000 $

[kthxb]

What i expect is just esport support, tourneys, lot of clans and leagues where u can compete other clans. You just stop carrying about trolls, kids when u can challenge a real team and play with friends. Of course if u loose your rank as a clan gets lower and u are placed lower in ladder. They can achieve that only making the game free. Are there any leagues in HoN where u can play like that? I've been searching through google but i can't find something that would interest me?

[FR0STH]

And I prefer one hero a month rather 1 hero every two weeks, which are mostly overpowered, buggy and so on and who aren't balanced over the next weeks... or months...

0/1428

[chainest]

What ya guys think? After all the hype everyone thinks how its going be a God like game.

Will it have better graphics?
Better game play? Faster/slower units?
Better heroes? atleast DotA2 will have the heroes i miss badly from DotA.

HoN atm still feels very exciteing and fabulous to play and looks great.
Good sign of good game is how it gives u up and down feelings when your game is going bad or good.


Early Access Program is something i dont even notice when i play.
Havent seen Monkey King do anything special or that this Hero would be so OP to win games for its team.

thx for reading :D

no one knows which one will be better

s2 fanboys say hon
dota fanboys say dota

i say who cares and jsut play both (and dont act like its forbidden)

[Jake]

0/1428
Dat color nick costed too much for you to leave $2 ?


If dota2 doesn't have EA heroes, it is auto win for them. It doesn't matter how bad the gameplay is. Just because $2 pisses on their customers, they must buy the Dota2 umbrella.

[ElementUser]

What ya guys think? After all the hype everyone thinks how its going be a God like game.

Will it have better graphics?
Better game play? Faster/slower units?
Better heroes? atleast DotA2 will have the heroes i miss badly from DotA.

HoN atm still feels very exciteing and fabulous to play and looks great.
Good sign of good game is how it gives u up and down feelings when your game is going bad or good.


Early Access Program is something i dont even notice when i play.
Havent seen Monkey King do anything special or that this Hero would be so OP to win games for its team.

thx for reading :D

Well, let's see:

- Players who hate HoN & love DotA will instantly go DotA 2 no matter what (be it balance or people who just hate S2 devs, whatever)
- These players in particular have set the "expectation bar" of DotA 2 to nearly 100% perfection

The chances of DotA 2 being close to perfection are very slim, to be honest. If it's somehow near perfection, then it will also depend on their business model.

In the end, DotA 2 is just another MOBA genre game; we don't know whether it'll be as perfect as most DotA 2 "fanboys" say it is.

There's no doubt everyone is looking forward to how it fares however, simply because there hasn't been any video footage leaks and/or screenshot leaks.

[TheJohns]

Icefrog just ****ing remake your damn heroes they're terrible and giving them weird scaling isn't gonna fix them

[Nekros]

i want deathmatch back and Valve will do that most likely

[Swayko]

What gives Dota 2 an edge over Heroes of Newerth is the fact Dota 2 is releasing AFTER heroes of newerth. They know who they are competing against, and man are they going to compete. I think every HoN player can look forward to the release of Dota 2.

[C00LBeans]

If it's just going to be an update of Dota then the only thing that will change are the Graphics.

And i guess that's fine as long as they give us all the Dota heroes HoN doesn't have and WTF mode and other popular modes.

[Synchronize]

i play dota 2 for pugna
i dont want to play hon cause of zephyr.

[Kradash]

Well, let's see:

- Players who hate HoN & love DotA will instantly go DotA 2 no matter what (be it balance or people who just hate S2 devs, whatever)
- These players in particular have set the "expectation bar" of DotA 2 to nearly 100% perfection

The chances of DotA 2 being close to perfection are very slim, to be honest. If it's somehow near perfection, then it will also depend on their business model.

In the end, DotA 2 is just another MOBA genre game; we don't know whether it'll be as perfect as most DotA 2 "fanboys" say it is.

There's no doubt everyone is looking forward to how it fares however, simply because there hasn't been any video footage leaks and/or screenshot leaks.

Nah, DotA is the MOBA game, HoN is just a ripoff which S2 have stated themselves.

HoN has dissapointed a lot of players on their poor game decisions, beta was good then it all went downhill, I'd say a great majority will abondon HoN when DotA2 comes out, why do you think they went F2P? HoN is going to die, it can't compete with LoL on the casual gamers, and it can't compete with DotA2 on the e-sport scene :l

[ElementUser]

But you don't know whether what you just said will actually be true or not because DotA 2 hasn't been released to the public yet.

We'll see what really happens after it gets released; everything is just speculation now, even the $1 million USD prize. It is certainly possible they did that just to "WOW" their opposition.

I have to admit though, it works very nicely for displaying the "WOW" factor.

[izRlyBad]

Hmmm, if this is true, i really don't if i should by happy or i should cry. Sure, this is newbie friendly, but maybe also takes away a part of skill? I don't know...

If anything, it will probably glow only when u can start hitting it.

And people complaining about paying to play the same heroes. Its not the same, different metagame and hero assortment you can't have in HoN.

And everyone saying "Icefraud", why do you say that? just 'cause the words sound the same? And I just read on the first page "80% heroes from dota are here" wait who is stealing what....?

@Elementuser: I don't expect it to be perfect, aside from bugs and glitches, I just hope its the same as the WC3 model just "upgraded". Remember the hype from Starcraft 2. I believe this is sort of the same situation and SC2 worked out really well.

[miy0]

I will switch to dota2 as soon as possible, simply because then I don't have to support this **** company that is s2 anymore.

[shtR]

I highly doubt DotA2 will fail, valve has a very talented staff and is one of the richest.. if not the richest game company in the world, so they got the resources :P


i read till here, when i realised that you dont have a clue about games and their developers.

[chainest]

way too high expectations? all people want is an updated dota. Hell, you could keep the game identical to the wc3 dota, add leaver protection, stats, reconnect, and no delay, and everyone would be happy.

Your lame prediction is a joke. THEY EXPECT SO MUCH SO ITS AUTO-FAIL. What exactly are people expecting that they wont get? lol.



fanboys? lol.


i played over 9000 over hyped games and nearly everyone failed for their expectations.

[LonJAXsoN]

For me it will come down to a few things, in no particular order.

1. Which game will have invoker?
2. Which game will have meepo?
3. Which game supports multiple cores?
4. Which game do I feel like playing that day?
5. Which game has custom maps?

The reasons I play HoN now are:
1. Client/server netcode (less lag, easier to find games, etc)
2. Better graphics
3. Matchmaking
4. Leaver/stat tracking

I'm sure Dota 2 will have all of that, plus my favorite heroes. I have to admit, I'll miss some S2 heroes and remakes... but I can still play them.

[Tyrando]

dat comment

arathi basin

pretty much ye

[Serasboy]

Also Icefrog >>>> all else, when it comes to Moba.

WRONG AGAIN....

icefrog dindt make dota, dindt make it famous on is own (had help) and i think thats all.

[iRaunchy]

Dota2 will be free to play. IceFrog and Gabe have already told that. Stop speculating about the price.

[torfteufel]

there is but one reason to play dota 2:

M O R P H L I N G

bestest hero of all times <3
i hope s2 did have an extremely good reason to not port him....

[merlinpy]

I have played a lot of Warcraft3-DOTA and HoN.

Don't know about you, but I WILL REALLY MISS SOME HEROES OF HON that don't exists on DOTA, if I have to play Dota2.

Some/most of the HoN-only-heroes are really good and fun to play.

[delux82]

well it will be better in some aspects and sure it will be not as good as HON in some points.

The Point is it doesent matter the fanboys will only see the good things in Dota2 and remember only the bad things of HON in the future. Thats the way this whole MOBA Community work.

In the CS Community there was is still a big war that some say the only E-Soprt is CS 1.6 and the newer better looking one CSS is for noobs and has a bad gameplay. Well this could also happen with Dota and Dota2. I dont say it will be like this but it can.

I hate hiping games like this in general. Look at Blizzard they get hiped by every AddOn or Game and it doesent matter how bad they are. Look at WoW the Game was best in 1st and 2nd AddOn then it goes more casual and with every AddOn there is less love inside you feel it when you play it ^^ In the end the only goal for Blizz is making money now but the Fanboys dont care no matter how bad the game is goin.


With all that said HON is a great game for the price ive paid. And i will still playing it when Dota2 is there but i will for sure have Dota2 also. I see absolutly no problem playing both. I mean its the same game in general so when i train map awarness, micro, teamplay i learn for both games the same things to be better.

i dont understand all this hate arround this topic i think the hate is only a try to feel better when things goin wrong in life or in HON for most ppl :glac:

[DrDiepel]

Dota 2 will be more successfull than HoN because it's Dota 2. Beside that Valve has a better marketing than S2.

[netygraph]

I made a thread concerning the same topic but where the OP was well constructed. It got moved to offtopic. Really dislike the moderation of these forums.

[marcraft]

I never thought of it that way. You're absolutely right lols.

We will be paying another 30 dollars or even more for heroes we can already play in HoN.

It will most likely have same graphics indeed, you can't do much better than HoN.

There will be even more trolls in Dota 2.

Waiting 2-3 months for new updates seems about right. Valve is the type of company that thinks "We don't really need to update our game but we do it anyways, they should be lucky we give them updates" the community also says this everytime someone complains on updates or how slow they get updates for the games.

Dota 2 will only be good because i am sure it's going to have SDK available and possibly serveral modes already implemented. Everything else will be pretty much HoN, nothing new.

We will have to see what happens 2 months after Dota 2's release.

Who cares about the money?

If you had ever played DotA, you would know that there are around 110 heroes. I believe HoN is around 40 DotA heroes. 40 to 110 is 70(heroes).

[marcraft]

WRONG AGAIN....

icefrog dindt make dota, dindt make it famous on is own (had help) and i think thats all.

That's not wrong. Guinsoo left DotA when it was really bad. IceFrog was the one to fix the map and balance.

[TrickeyD]

It will be, because of Furion.


/thread

[Anilusion]

I never thought of it that way. You're absolutely right lols.

We will be paying another 30 dollars or even more for heroes we can already play in HoN.

It will most likely have same graphics indeed, you can't do much better than HoN.

There will be even more trolls in Dota 2.

Waiting 2-3 months for new updates seems about right. Valve is the type of company that thinks "We don't really need to update our game but we do it anyways, they should be lucky we give them updates" the community also says this everytime someone complains on updates or how slow they get updates for the games.

Dota 2 will only be good because i am sure it's going to have SDK available and possibly serveral modes already implemented. Everything else will be pretty much HoN, nothing new.

We will have to see what happens 2 months after Dota 2's release.

You are so wrong it's not even funny. Graphics can't get any better than HoN? Bwahahahah.

Why would there be more trolls? If HoN is f2p and Dota2 is not, where will the cheap retards go?

"Valve is the type of company that thinks "We don't really need to update our game but we do it anyways, they should be lucky we give them updates"". Way to pull **** out of your ass. TF2 has received hundreds of updates. Hell, they update it multiple times each week. http://www.steampowered.com/platform/update_history/index.php?id=440

"Dota 2 will only be good because i am sure it's going to have SDK available and possibly serveral modes already implemented.". - Yes

" Everything else will be pretty much HoN, nothing new.". - No

"We will have to see what happens 2 months after Dota 2's release." - RIP HoN

[Anarchist]

What ya guys think? After all the hype everyone thinks how its going be a God like game.

Will it have better graphics?
Better game play? Faster/slower units?
Better heroes? atleast DotA2 will have the heroes i miss badly from DotA.

HoN atm still feels very exciteing and fabulous to play and looks great.
Good sign of good game is how it gives u up and down feelings when your game is going bad or good.


Early Access Program is something i dont even notice when i play.
Havent seen Monkey King do anything special or that this Hero would be so OP to win games for its team.

thx for reading :D

For the Graphics question, no idea if it will be better, S2 has a really good engine when it comes to graphics, But Valve is using the Source engine.

Here is a video from 3 years ago that was made by a fan not backed by millions of dollars who made a RTS mod for Half Life 2. There are more videos for it of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtB3HkqgUoM


IMO the fact that they are using the Source Engine to do this, pretty much opens up custom maps from the start.

[FR0STH]

Dat color nick costed too much for you to leave $2 ?


If dota2 doesn't have EA heroes, it is auto win for them. It doesn't matter how bad the gameplay is. Just because $2 pisses on their customers, they must buy the Dota2 umbrella.


well i dont have problems with money like you russians wannabe cool boys.

[BlakeDarko]

the only reason that dota2 will fail is because people have way to much expectations from this game...so even if is good game it wont be so good as people as they expect...so that will be automatically the downfall for dota2 i think.



diablo3 will fail cause they will have microtransactions...no offline play...and an auction house...which means trading items that you find with other playes will be possible only with real money


perfect example of a dude who has no idea what he is talking about :D

LOVE IT!

[Phaylure]

hon has been dead for a year.

[GotPHO]

What ya guys think? After all the hype everyone thinks how its going be a God like game.

Will it have better graphics?
Better game play? Faster/slower units?
Better heroes? atleast DotA2 will have the heroes i miss badly from DotA.

HoN atm still feels very exciteing and fabulous to play and looks great.
Good sign of good game is how it gives u up and down feelings when your game is going bad or good.


Early Access Program is something i dont even notice when i play.
Havent seen Monkey King do anything special or that this Hero would be so OP to win games for its team.

thx for reading :D

well, the one thing Valve would have is better customer support. They're not promising better gameplay/heroes but they do have IceFrog behind them, and he's done some great things for DoTa. HoN was a pretty good game, but i think the community and playerbase has ruined it.

[Donatello]

I just hope all you dota fanboys go play Dota2 when it comes out and stop infesting these forums. It will be a truly good riddance.

^ this

Can't give a damn about speculating, but having the haters gone would be the best thing that can happen to HoN.

[Grim]

and since when reality = what you think?
Not sure if troll or just stupid...

[Z3ROCOOL22]

What ya guys think? After all the hype everyone thinks how its going be a God like game.

Will it have better graphics?
Better game play? Faster/slower units?
Better heroes? atleast DotA2 will have the heroes i miss badly from DotA.

HoN atm still feels very exciteing and fabulous to play and looks great.
Good sign of good game is how it gives u up and down feelings when your game is going bad or good.


Early Access Program is something i dont even notice when i play.
Havent seen Monkey King do anything special or that this Hero would be so OP to win games for its team.

thx for reading :D

If DOTA 2 don't have better graphics or same like HON i not will play it, i mean with all the resoucers/graphics designers they have at least the graphics should be very high detailed.
I know some ppl will say if the gameply is good, graphics don't care, but come on we are in 2011, so hope DOTA 2 just don't disappointment us with shitty graphics like LOL or ROT.

[song_tinh]

"Valve is the type of company that thinks "We don't really need to update our game but we do it anyways, they should be lucky we give them updates"". Way to pull **** out of your ass. TF2 has received hundreds of updates. Hell, they update it multiple times each week. http://www.steampowered.com/platform...dex.php?id=440 (http://www.steampowered.com/platform/update_history/index.php?id=440)

Yeah, Huge update from Valv€

Day 1: Fixed crash, cash shop
Day 2: Fixed crash
Day 3: Fixed Crash, Minor Balance
Day 4: Fixed Crash, cash shop
.......

http://booru.ehkzai.com/index.php?q=/image/1864.jpg

Problem HoNer?

[BlakeDarko]

best anwser today:

i play dota2 because of puga

mega score!

[TropMerde]

IMHO, we can't really say anything at this point. Valve is a big company, they've released countless of successful games. I'm pretty sure they're aware of HoN and LoL, their strong and weak points. Most of the cool features like server sided hosting (S2 has major problems keeping up their servers in stable condition even if they claim to be using the world's best w/e. Never saw a company having so much downtime or lag), reconnect feature, better customer / game support etc... The advantage Valve has over S2 is that they have IceFrog on their side, he's done so much for WC3 DOTA and I'm pretty sure DOTA2 will be very well balanced at launch.

The reasons why DOTA2 will be more successful than HoN, IMO, is because :

-Valve has better funding (Better game development due to higher budget, Marketing = larger Fan Base, more GMs & Customer support..)
-IceFrog (Balanced game)
-More servers and better reliability & latency (Hope so.. but I'm pretty sure it I'm not wrong)
-Valve's own personal touch? Every Valve game I've played have that same feeling, whether it is HL2, CS:Source, TF2 etc..

Yet, I respect S2 Games for being very innovative in their game. Reconnect, replays, matchmaking, in-game reporting system, no hacks, good overall polishing (Menu, graphics, almost no bugs, gameplay). I do not regret spending 30$ on HoN, it is nothing compared to the countless hours of fun I've had with my friends.

All in all, DOTA2 can only be better with HoN and LoL existing. I'm pretty sure that if HoN didn't exist, DOTA2 wouldn't be as good as it is at this point. The winner will be the company that gives the most to its customers, something that S2 has yet to achieve, they've only made it worse by leaving Veteran players (ones who paid) behind. I'm not going to start this discussion but they pretty much screwed their loyal customers which really makes me doubt about their values. And that's also the reason why I'm moving to DOTA2 once it is out.

Peace.

[TheRockSays]

Valve turned a hardcore game like Quake:Team Fortress into Team Fortress classic into some piss poor incarnation of both of them.

Team Fortress 2 was indeed slaughtered by Valve, and is one of the worst remakes outside of Dues Ex 2 I've ever seen. They removed core elements and physics while dumbing down and casualizing the game.

As far as the DotA 2 bullshit goes...there are NO American teams why? Because no American wanted to waste time for all these years with DotA on the shitty engine. I mean really, is Valve that retarded? DotA2 and HoN will be one in the same game, but DotA2 will just trying to make money the easiest way Valve knows how: rehash some **** and package it like it's new, even though it doesn't even belong in the shadow of the title they are copying.

tl;dr version: TF2 is bad, Valve turns everything into casual. if Icefrog has his way it'll just be another, more boring version of HoN because of his preferred meta and poor balancing. If Valve has their way the game will be more casual, which would be even more hilarious.

Things TF2 is missing:

Damage specific armors(explosive, gun, fire, etc)
Medic Axe
Airstrikes
Detpacks
Syringes
lava pools
Ammo thief packs
Tranquilizers
Napalm
Grenades
EMP grenades
MIRV grenades
Concussion grenades
Jetpack
Nail Grenades
Proper rocket jumping
Grenade jumping
stand/crouch/prone

just gonna leave that there

[Quelsatron]

just gonna leave that there

more like no American teams (IIRC there are a few American players) in the tourney because the American DotA scene is far worse than the European or Asian

deal with it nerd

[Error]

ITT: People who can see into the future

Didn't know we had so many superheroes on these boards

[Shaddox]

I learned from Left 4 Dead 2 to never buy a VALVe game at launch.

[Lanesia]

Valve should look up evolution in wikipedia. S2 took best heros from dota, made better graphics, and then added new heros developed by a company and not by one random person. Dota became HoN, and Valve wants to stick to old dumb Icefrog heros for some reason? No way.

Most of those old dumb heroes are a lot of the heroes in this game.

HoN was basically dota with a graphics upgrade when it launched with a few new heroes. Not sure how you can love one or hate one but I think the business model of Dota2 will be better.

[Human_Robot]

I learned from Left 4 Dead 2 to never buy a VALVe game at launch.

Not planning on buying HL3 if it ever comes out at launch then? Portal 2 was a huge disappointment eh? Seriously if the WORST game a company has on its resume is L4D2 that should say something.

[Jotaro]

Dota2 > HoN NO
Dota2 =/= HoN YES

as simple as this
I will play to 2

[Hate]

If it's just going to be an update of Dota then the only thing that will change are the Graphics.

And i guess that's fine as long as they give us all the Dota heroes HoN doesn't have and WTF mode and other popular modes.

It's an 'update' but it has dozens of new features that DOTA nor HoN has.

The only thing changing is not just graphics. Stop your bias.

[Cyrileo]

Can't even Judge dota 2 becuase i've yet to see anything from it other than some old concept art, it could look beautiful and play like ass, Valve is known for FPS style games, not top down type things, for all we know the game could be a total crapshoot.

[iggoms]

just gonna leave that there

Counter-Strike.


/your **** post about **** games that were never meant to be competitive.

[Jotaro]

Not planning on buying HL3 if it ever comes out at launch then? Portal 2 was a huge disappointment eh? Seriously if the WORST game a company has on its resume is L4D2 that should say something.

Portal 2 was a Huge dissapointment for me => They had the Concept , they made a Great trailer , a Great appetizer, but NO main dish ...
This game is empty after 2h

L4D2? it s L4D 1.02

[Hate]

just gonna leave that there

You're going to leave some idiotic opinion there? Hopefully you don't agree with it, or you'd be foolish.

[Agrostini]

Definitely not. Heroes will be huge pixels that can only be distinguished by colour.

sir u have made my day :tund:

[Kradash]

i read till here, when i realised that you dont have a clue about games and their developers.

You sir are an idiot, I'm not sure why i'm even responding but..

http://blogs.forbes.com/oliverchiang/2011/02/15/valve-and-steam-worth-billions/

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/43865/portal-2/

Valve is a solid company.

[Ernest]

You asked why DotA 2 will be better.

http://www.deviantart.com/download/130423749/Knight_Davion_by_frv10135.jpg

KNIGHT DAVION!!!

[Felathar]

You asked why DotA 2 will be better.

http://www.deviantart.com/download/130423749/Knight_Davion_by_frv10135.jpg

KNIGHT DAVION!!!

/ Winning

[FoEva1000MMR]

Legacy playerbase will leave for DotA 2 which is why S2 made HoN f2p so that they can create a new playerbase before DotA 2 comes along. Legacy players nerdrage a lot whilst maliken sits back and ahs everything according to plan. Obvious much?

[Plaguedlands]

Will it have better graphics?

Please at least know your subject matter before you ask silly questions. It's made on a much MUCH larger budget on a more sophisticated engine by a company and development leader with much MUCH more experience then S2. What do you think?

[fizik_]

DotA
- No more Scout, Too bad! It's me Blacksmith


Just sad. However DotA got PA :)

[delux82]

Please at least know your subject matter before you ask silly questions. It's made on a much MUCH larger budget on a more sophisticated engine by a company and development leader with much MUCH more experience then S2. What do you think?

you know how old the engine is that dota2 use? ^^

[cg_drawchat0]

You asked why DotA 2 will be better.

http://www.deviantart.com/download/130423749/Knight_Davion_by_frv10135.jpg

KNIGHT DAVION!!!

Holy ****...I jizzed in my pants.

[Proletariat]

So you don't think it will be a good game despite not having seen it played yet? Are you simple?
Wait until the 17th, watch the show tourny, and then judge.

[`Fluttershy]

hon down. just another reason to move to dota2.

[Wakawl]

Wow S2. Please fix your damn product stop with monkey king stop with small bugfixes, please repair your servers!
Valve all the way, S2 goodbye.

[Deansy]

Nr1 problem in dota2. Dealing with TR fkers and SEA fkers. In other-words , EPIC LAG AND LATENCY.

[Talesavo]

Nr1 problem in dota2. Dealing with TR fkers and SEA fkers. In other-words , EPIC LAG AND LATENCY.

Are you touched? The game is going to use dedicated servers. How stupid can you be?

[Slut]

Why is it always the scared noobs that have access to DotA2 ? How the hell are you so incompetent that you're unable to edit a screenshot to not be discovered as the owner of it, jebus.

[Smellydude]

this this has a HEAVY nda (aka everyone gets there beta removed if someone leaks) this was the only picture that wasnt censored out of the 2 that my friend gave me

http://mithesports.com/wp-content/gallery/mith-trust-boot-camp-for-dota-2/mith-bootcamp-0002.jpg

or
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/713/dota2b.jpg/

you can see it on the far left, looks pretty nice :)

[Smellydude]

http://mithesports.com/wp-content/gallery/mith-trust-boot-camp-for-dota-2/mith-bootcamp-0005.jpg

another one but you can see that its clearly been shopped

[FORUMACCOUNT]

Kind of need something to confirm this, I won't believe screen shots because of how long nothing has leaked.

[Smellydude]

Kind of need something to confirm this, I won't believe screen shots because of how long nothing has leaked.

its on the mith site (a clan in the dota 2 1000k tournament), plus noone can really confirm because everyone will lose there beta privelages. but if its on the mith website then i pretty much think it IS dota 2

edit: the nda is nothing like blizzards nda with wow/sc, valve actually go berserk if someone leaks something...everyone loses beta

[FORUMACCOUNT]

Eh, its the best we got then. And yeah, its pretty obvious the consequences of leaking are huge here compared to others, or the whole game would of been leaked by now.

[Fashionisto]

It got taken down. Did anyone save it?

[`Fluttershy]

will dota2 be integrated with steam? like being able to alt tab and message people and stuff.

[MaxHax]

http://s2.ipicture.ru/uploads/20110806/M3VKK5S4.jpg


This perhaps? Looks shopped though!

[Smellydude]

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/713/dota2b.jpg/

edit: now im not really sure because it looks like s2 sotis..

[XenosKing]

ok its fake lol its sc2
ive seen the picture on gosu gamers and someone posted a pic of a sc2 map

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_X56mregoBL4/TONxZdI0gGI/AAAAAAAACTw/G2BQJ0TqbCk/s1600/xpdota_screenshot.jpg

[Smellydude]

edit: not sure still =\

edit edit: my original picture got taken down and the one maxhax has might be an attempt by mith to derail/confuse people for leaking the original screenshot :)

[Jausba]

http://s2.ipicture.ru/uploads/20110806/M3VKK5S4.jpg


This perhaps? Looks shopped though!

that looks starcraft 2 to me? o.O

[Rope`]

will dota2 be integrated with steam? like being able to alt tab and message people and stuff.

Although it hasn't been confirmed I'm 99% sure it will be.

[iRaunchy]

You sir are an idiot, I'm not sure why i'm even responding but..

http://blogs.forbes.com/oliverchiang/2011/02/15/valve-and-steam-worth-billions/

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/43865/portal-2/

Valve is a solid company.
Why you're showing to us PC sales? xD
250.000 of digital copies, is it so much?
By the way, overall Portal2 sales suxx. 0.25k + 1.09kk+ 1.082kk = its a far from good. Hopefuly, the development was cheap, because there is no content in this game.

[Skyve]

that looks starcraft 2 to me? o.O

That's because it is SC2 :)

[IMMvp]

I dont think Dota 2 can be better for a hardcore competitive player than HoN.

Only if too many high skillers leave Hon. Because of its F2P its hard to get high rated in pub games in the future.

[Player27]

http://i.imgur.com/9jRNv.png

[Robotmand_GG]

The only thing that bothers me with HoN is that either
a): S2 thinks it's good for the game to release 2 heroes every week.
b): They only think about money.
c): They think it's good for the game and they only think about money.

Honestly it's just ruining a good game making convoy belt heroes; some S2 heroes are fun, and many really suck.
Please don't make anymore jungle heroes, it's not that fun playing alone in the jungle, is it?

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[FragoliTE]

I'm having a personal dilemma about this, because I'm a huge fan of both DoTA and HoN, so... i WANT DoTA 2 to be AWESOME, but at the same time I also want HoN to stay AWESOME.

Tell me how to fix my situation? :(

[Player27]

The only thing that bothers me with HoN is that S2 thinks it's good for the game to release 2 heroes every week. Honestly it's just ruining a good game making convoy belt heroes that can't adapt to the metagame.



Also this.

[Player27]

I'm having a personal dilemma about this, because I'm a huge fan of both DoTA and HoN, so... i WANT DoTA 2 to be AWESOME, but at the same time I also want HoN to stay AWESOME.

Tell me how to fix my situation? :(


You don't need to do anything as HoN will shutdown after DotA 2:s release.

[Bamsemums]

It will be better.

[Betatest_]

I do not give a damn about graphics, if the leaving issues in WC3 were not there, I would still be playing it, thats the main reason I do not play DotA in WC3.

DotA 2 will rock, also..IceFrog!

[Gredival]

HoN started going down when user control deteriorated. That was a direct result of S2 using matchmaking and the store as the cornerstones of their new business model. We were no longer able to DC out of a match, or kick people, before the match, That empowered trolls and ruined the quality of games. DotA's strength has always been the community, and DotA 2's success will depend on the level of freedom given to that community.

[Major`GeZa]

What ya guys think? After all the hype everyone thinks how its going be a God like game.

Will it have better graphics?
Better game play? Faster/slower units?
Better heroes? atleast DotA2 will have the heroes i miss badly from DotA.

HoN atm still feels very exciteing and fabulous to play and looks great.
Good sign of good game is how it gives u up and down feelings when your game is going bad or good.


Early Access Program is something i dont even notice when i play.
Havent seen Monkey King do anything special or that this Hero would be so OP to win games for its team.

thx for reading :D

Y are an IDIOT. Dota 2 will crush everything. DOTA community is millions not thousands like HON or LOL. 99% of us are from DOTA no reason staying here.

S2 is a HUGE fail.

[Player27]

HoN started going down when user control deteriorated. That was a direct result of S2 using matchmaking and the store as the cornerstones of their new business model. We were no longer able to DC out of a match, or kick people, before the match, That empowered trolls and ruined the quality of games. DotA's strength has always been the community, and DotA 2's success will depend on the level of freedom given to that community.


Interesting theory. I always liked matchmaking but maybe you are right. This matchmaking is done wrong. Dota-Leagues matchmaking is still far superior.

[Nabegorthir]

If VALVE would just listen to the community it would be 100000000 times better no doubt.


Early Access Program is something i dont even notice when i play.
Havent seen Monkey King do anything special or that this Hero would be so OP to win games for its team.
Maybe not, but do you think every single new hero won't be anything special? well DO YA?