The OFFICIAL DOTA2 Thread

[Serukai]

Wait, so if you just got kicked out of the game / lost a game in a very bad way, you need to come to the general section and post a thread thats here every day 10 times by a random guy?

That's just your opinion, for example, I don't think HoN is losing players and I don't think none of the facts you stated are correct or even worth discussing since they were discussed like a gajillion times.

tl;dr: Why post a thread like this / I'm fine with the game

[TheJohns]

DotA2 can always be worse.

[Devourawr]

DotA too will probably be just as bad but that doesn't mean S2 isn't a bunch of **** sucking money grabbing *************.

[Smeggles]

I find it funny that people think this **** won't happen in DOTA2

[claudiu]

Making new characters????????????????????? They already got them

[`x`]

S2 doesn't give respect and equality to players. S2 only cares about profits (making new characters) even before fixing server/game quality problems and appealing to new players while neglecting higher tier players.


I could have sworn before the new hero every 2 weeks these forums were filled with "s2 promise us a new hero every 2 weeks" in general discussion.

s2 stated as well they have different teams working on different areas of the game. So some will be working on new heroes and others will be fixing servers.

[Mellow]

Individual player? There is no I in Team

New heroes do not equal profit for S2

[MojoSoul]

Hey OP just leave. You still here? Go back to your 1930s game dota and then when dota2 comes out if it ever does you can cry on it's forums some more. None of your reasons made any sense to me. Your retarded bias output has the downs just like u. How do u function in society? Suck it up and learn to work with the system. Oh mummy S2 rolled back my 10psr and didn't make up for it by buying me a new Mercedas Benz. I paid 30 dollars derp derp and derp some more.

[TheBigBig]

dota sucks

[Daytona]

quarantine this thread full of mads.

[LonelyQueen]

what?!

[iKiwi]

Just got a 72 hour ban for something that didnt even go down the way it was in the description. Maybe you should have the other player what happened before you give out a 72 hour ban hon. With the failures in the servers, now this. NEVER EVER going to buy coins or recommend this game to my friends again.

Fail S2 - Last straw.

And their players were talking trash to me ALL game. Being TOTAL dicks, ganging up on me. I didnt do what the description said and I get reported for it?????????????????????????????

[FreiBierFred]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0

[Granitt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0)

[BigBagOCrabs]

take it up in ban appeals, don't be a drama queen, and nobody will miss you

[Fraggy]

:madm::madm::madm::madm:

[Flaghill]

As i understand it the mods have a lot of these to do and they make mistakes. You can report them yourself if they griefed you btw. Also appeal the ban if you didn't do it, that's obvious.

But since you didnt give any details i think you are somewhat guilty at least :P

[Thysios]

If you were suspended for doing something that wasn't against the rules, you can try appeal it and it should be lifted.

If you're only argument is 'They were griefing me first'

***Note: If someone griefs you and/or your team, it does NOT give you the right to grief back. In this case both parties are at fault and both parties can be banned. Therefore, don't use this as a reason for appealing. It will most likely get denied if that is your only reason.***

[orca_]

Please join the Quakenet and the channel #care.

[Megaphone]

Go here if you don't know how to appeal : http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=170121

Other than that, nobody here can help you. Either you're guilty and just want to make another run-of-the-mill-useless-waste-of-space thread targeting S2 without tangible evidence or coherent sentence structure, or a GM made a mistake and just want to make another run-of-the-mill-useless-waste-of-space thread targeting S2 without tangible evidence or coherent sentence structure.

Best of luck appealing!

[ShadowKun]

dota 2 is out?

[AliasRaegiru]

The disgusting community on hon alone makes me want to join DOTA 2 ASAP.

The s2 staff's false promises and laziness only foment this desire.



Edit:



Go here if you don't know how to appeal : http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=170121

Other than that, nobody here can help you. Either you're guilty and just want to make another run-of-the-mill-useless-waste-of-space thread targeting S2 without tangible evidence or coherent sentence structure, or a GM made a mistake and just want to make another run-of-the-mill-useless-waste-of-space thread targeting S2 without tangible evidence or coherent sentence structure.

Best of luck appealing!

You say this as though S2 has any credence with letting legitimate complaints stay on the forums without being quarantined ASAP. Please don't bullshit anyone-- you're really not fooling anyone with your chicanery.

Remember that guy who got banned in an S2 game for not choosing the right hero? Yeah, I thought so. So please save your BS for those gullible enough to believe it.

You also say this as though anyone listens to appeals. The GMs are outright obstinate in their decisions, in spite of how circumstantial half of the "crimes" people commit are. The lack of microphone chat in replays allows for blatant abuse without being caught, and S2 has failed to address this.

Is that tangible enough for you? I even put this argument in a coherent sentence structure for you, pal.

[ShadowKun]

The disgusting community on hon alone makes me want to join DOTA 2 ASAP.

The s2 staff's false promises and laziness only foment this desire.

but you have to suck it cuz dota 2 is not out yet? poor thing :succ:

[BigBagOCrabs]

The disgusting community on hon alone makes me want to join DOTA 2 ASAP.

The s2 staff's false promises and laziness only foment this desire.

The Dota 2 community won't be any better, especially since the worst people in the HoN community are the ones going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about how they're gonna move to Dota 2, tough ****

[ShadowKun]

The Dota 2 community won't be any better, especially since the worst people in the HoN community are the ones going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about how they're gonna move to Dota 2, tough ****

truth

[AliasRaegiru]

The Dota 2 community won't be any better, especially since the worst people in the HoN community are the ones going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about how they're gonna move to Dota 2, tough ****

I sincerely disagree with you for 2 reasons.

1.) DOTA 2 will have a significantly larger community than hon. This means players like the disgusting filth on hon get diluted into the less aggressive/rude people in DOTA 2.

2.) The "worst" people in the HoN community are people who overzealously defend s2, have elitist attitudes, smurf, etc.


That is the truth.

[Wrathmont]

I sincerely disagree with you for 2 reasons.

1.) DOTA 2 will have a significantly larger community than hon. This means players like the disgusting filth on hon get diluted into the less aggressive/rude people in DOTA 2.

2.) The "worst" people in the HoN community are people who overzealously defend s2, have elitist attitudes, smurf, etc.


That is the truth.


hahahhahaha.... no

[C00LBeans]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmx5lzacZ-M&feature=related

[BigBagOCrabs]

I sincerely disagree with you for 2 reasons.

1.) DOTA 2 will have a significantly larger community than hon. This means players like the disgusting filth on hon get diluted into the less aggressive/rude people in DOTA 2.

2.) The "worst" people in the HoN community are people who overzealously defend s2, have elitist attitudes, smurf, etc.


That is the truth.

1. Sorry to tell you, crap doesn't dilute in crap

2. There are even more overzealous defenders of Dota, Dota players are just as elitist and smurfing will always be a problem.

[Qiwi]

DOTA 2 will fail, I'm calling it.

[ShadowKun]

I sincerely disagree with you for 2 reasons.

1.) DOTA 2 will have a significantly larger community than hon. This means players like the disgusting filth on hon get diluted into the less aggressive/rude people in DOTA 2.

2.) The "worst" people in the HoN community are people who overzealously defend s2, have elitist attitudes, smurf, etc.


That is the truth.

the "significantly larger community" will be composed mostly of dotards, who isn't actually known for their friendly gestures.

[chainest]

I sincerely disagree with you for 2 reasons.

1.) DOTA 2 will have a significantly larger community than hon. This means players like the disgusting filth on hon get diluted into the less aggressive/rude people in DOTA 2.

2.) The "worst" people in the HoN community are people who overzealously defend s2, have elitist attitudes, smurf, etc.


That is the truth.

nah

its basicly the same.

Its like calling it Turd or Shitt you can be sure it the same brown stinky thing which is disgusting. Ye if the dota2 community is bigger, there will be also more idiots and now?

besides i gonna play both, problem?

[Ragels]

Good for you.

[QriYeon]

How many of you people here have try DotA 2? Seriously...... Please give me a beta key or something. It must be very GOOD since I keep seeing those DotA2>HoN threads.

[Maginox]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0

[Terlob]

DOTA 2 will fail, I'm calling it.

DotA will be a success (financially at least) no matter how shite the actual product is. If you don't agree with that, then you're ****ing retarded.

[stuvis]

If guys like OP move to dota i will stay for sure.
Good way to get rid of idiots who are mad because they are fail irl
Profit

[j`boon]

hes from new zealand.. he'll be back.. **** as weather here... nothin better to do than game... and nothing better than hon.. for now...

[Maginox]

Dont post more, it will just spread the Dota 2 virus all over this communty. Wish s2 deleted all thread with Lol and Dota 2 in their title its fkin misleading. Lol deletes Hon threads and shiet so...

[TTi]

If guys like OP move to dota i will stay for sure.
Good way to get rid of idiots who are mad because they are fail irl
Profit

First valid post, +1

[Megaphone]

You say this as though S2 has any credence with letting legitimate complaints stay on the forums without being quarantined ASAP. Please don't bullshit anyone-- you're really not fooling anyone with your chicanery.

Remember that guy who got banned in an S2 game for not choosing the right hero? Yeah, I thought so. So please save your BS for those gullible enough to believe it.

You also say this as though anyone listens to appeals. The GMs are outright obstinate in their decisions, in spite of how circumstantial half of the "crimes" people commit are. The lack of microphone chat in replays allows for blatant abuse without being caught, and S2 has failed to address this.

Is that tangible enough for you? I even put this argument in a coherent sentence structure for you, pal.

Oh. Oh boy..

chi·can·er·y

Noun: The use of trickery to achieve a political, financial, or legal purpose.

There was no trickery in that post, sir. It was fairly simple - I told him how to appeal, and mentioned that his post was poorly constructed and extremely aggressive.


"You say this as though S2 has any credence with letting legitimate complaints stay on the forums without being quarantined ASAP."
I.. I just said whatever came to mind. I have no idea why you think that I was caught up in this whole DotA/DotA2 vs HoN/S2 thing. This entire quote shows that you are clearly frustrated, but come on now, why would you call me out and drag me into an argument I had no place in the first place?


"Remember that guy who got banned in an S2 game for not choosing the right hero? Yeah, I thought so. So please save your BS for those gullible enough to believe it."What? This is a very special quote indeed. I would love to see your sources, which hopefully have legitimate proof that a player was banned specifically because of the hero they chose. Not forum gossip, actual proof. Regardless if it happened or not, you continue with this notion that I'm trying to be extraordinary crafty with my words.


"You also say this as though anyone listens to appeals. The GMs are outright obstinate in their decisions, in spite of how circumstantial half of the "crimes" people commit are. The lack of microphone chat in replays allows for blatant abuse without being caught, and S2 has failed to address this."Well, okay. What can I do with this. You literally have no way of seeing how the appeal process works, unless you were suspended before. You have no clue about all appeals in general, this is just more forum troll nonsense. I just.. I don't know what to do? Perhaps link you this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence


"Is that tangible enough for you? I even put this argument in a coherent sentence structure for you, pal."No. No tangible evidence was presented. This is hardly an argument. This was hardly anything at all.

Don't pull me into this. Re-read my post, I mention nothing about S2 (well you know, other than pointing out what type of thread he made) or DotA2. If I wanted to discuss this, I would have made that apparent. It's pretty petty for you to paint me as a villain when I had no part in anything.

I'm sorry if I made my position seem confusing, I don't want to argue over nothing :(.

[Flaghill]

No offence but we all know you get mad when your losing a game and if you get mad AND you have ban pwr (S2 staff and admins) abuse will happen from time to time. And it did (pr pk mid anyone? xD). Its not like S2 staff are saints lol.

[Megaphone]

(pr pk mid anyone? xD)

It's stuff like this that kills me. Everybody latched on to that the original poster said, and nothing else.

Nobody seemed to care that the player was legitimately banned for his actions in game / in previous games, they only care that somebody mentioned Portal Key on Plague!

[Sonicle]

I'd love to see S2 work in a proper legal system. Oh wait no. Never. Ever. Nope.

[emKill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKVTmx1zos8&NR=1

[Caste`]

If you were suspended for doing something that wasn't against the rules, you can try appeal it and it should be lifted.

If you're only argument is 'They were griefing me first'

*your

[Sonicle]

Nobody seemed to care that the player was legitimately banned for his actions in game / in previous games, they only care that somebody mentioned Portal Key on Plague!

Well you do have a bad reputation for banning players.

Enable a zero-tolerance policy and you will see this no more. I understand where this guy is coming from. A player gets flamed from his team (sometimes the opposing team to), he does something stupid (understandable) and then gets banned for it.

If players: a,b,c,d didn't do X then E wouldn't have done ****.

Don't stand up for your actions when your rules are constantly violated without care.

[Caste`]

This will be DotA 2 in a nutshell. Straight from Gabe Newell, you heard it here first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj75DLGHWhA

[s0v4]

It's stuff like this that kills me. Everybody latched on to that the original poster said, and nothing else.

Nobody seemed to care that the player was legitimately banned for his actions in game / in previous games, they only care that somebody mentioned Portal Key on Plague!

They know and they are being dumb on purpose

You should ban for that, no one would miss them

[raeque]

you play DOTA 2 client sided which means there will be a huge amount of cheaters. and if any of you now says VAC is secure and there will be no cheating i dare you to stop this kind of trolling because it's very poor

[Silidons]

don't worry, i'm here, i'm from the internet.

i was told that a man was banned from a video game, and i was supposed to give a ****. no ****s were given, sadly.

[Megaphone]

Enable a zero-tolerance policy and you will see this no more. I understand where this guy is coming from. A player gets flamed from his team (sometimes the opposing team to), he does something stupid (understandable) and then gets banned for it.



They know and they are being dumb on purpose

You should ban for that, no one would miss them

Ah, alas, a different topic for a different time. Again, I'm not here to discuss/debate/argue, just wanted to set some things straight!

It'd probably be better to write up a new thread that's constructive, it should do more good than posting about this here!

[Sonicle]

Ah, alas, a different topic for a different time. Again, I'm not here to discuss/debate/argue, just wanted to set some things straight!

It'd probably be better to write up a new thread that's constructive, it should do more good than posting about this here!

I understand your intentions, just thought that with you in the thread for the moment, I could give you a good idea! :)

[Megaphone]

I understand your intentions, just thought that with you in the thread for the moment, I could give you a good idea! :)

Better give the higher ups the ideas! I still need to climb dat ladder.

One day I'll be atop Maliken's throne. One day.

[SloppyNacho]

Anyone who played dota knows that the players are about as retarded as the hon community. But even more eliteist since they have been playing for 6 years or so...

[cg_drawchat0]

@OP
Have fun getting banned in Dota2 for griefing as well.

[Ben_Dunder]

Oh. Oh boy..

chi·can·er·y

Noun: The use of trickery to achieve a political, financial, or legal purpose.

There was no trickery in that post, sir. It was fairly simple - I told him how to appeal, and mentioned that his post was poorly constructed and extremely aggressive.


I.. I just said whatever came to mind. I have no idea why you think that I was caught up in this whole DotA/DotA2 vs HoN/S2 thing. This entire quote shows that you are clearly frustrated, but come on now, why would you call me out and drag me into an argument I had no place in the first place?

What? This is a very special quote indeed. I would love to see your sources, which hopefully have legitimate proof that a player was banned specifically because of the hero they chose. Not forum gossip, actual proof. Regardless if it happened or not, you continue with this notion that I'm trying to be extraordinary crafty with my words.

Well, okay. What can I do with this. You literally have no way of seeing how the appeal process works, unless you were suspended before. You have no clue about all appeals in general, this is just more forum troll nonsense. I just.. I don't know what to do? Perhaps link you this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

No. No tangible evidence was presented. This is hardly an argument. This was hardly anything at all.

Don't pull me into this. Re-read my post, I mention nothing about S2 (well you know, other than pointing out what type of thread he made) or DotA2. If I wanted to discuss this, I would have made that apparent. It's pretty petty for you to paint me as a villain when I had no part in anything.

I'm sorry if I made my position seem confusing, I don't want to argue over nothing :(.

Rarely have I seen anyone get owned harder. Ouch.

[Eishun]

hey, if you banned in here, you will banned in dota2 i think

you think dota 2 doesnt have any rules eh? :scou:

do you know how harsh is dota community? no? :scou:
cry some more..

[Steffen]

all this trash like op or those bashing-on-staff tryhards (the ones who have no actual point + obviously wrote their posts without proper thinking just to actually rant about something)

should be warned and banned if they repeat themselves.
It's so annoying...

Not going for these who actually put a lot of thought in their criticize-thread, those are annoying but somewhat justified I guess.. :P

[Hiryu]

I sincerely disagree with you for 2 reasons.

1.) DOTA 2 will have a significantly larger community than hon. This means players like the disgusting filth on hon get diluted into the less aggressive/rude people in DOTA 2.

2.) The "worst" people in the HoN community are people who overzealously defend s2, have elitist attitudes, smurf, etc.


That is the truth.

Uh, no. DOTA 2 will be LoL 2.0

The worst of this community plus majority of the LoL players moving over to DOTA 2 is going to make you eat your words. The fact that probably over 90% of the LoL players only play LoL because its free should be one of the biggest clues ever. If you really believe what you just typed then you're in denial.

[Allnighte]

match ID or you're lying

[Eishun]

hey OP
when dota 2 out, try to do the same thing you do right now [that make you got 72 hours ban]

let's see if you are banned or not,shall we?:scou:

[Corpsy]

I definitely will play Diablo 3, Skyrim, Deus Ex, Mass Effect 3 etc over any dota-like game.

[Bainshie]

RAP doesn't work, the system is broken and abused (Seriously if you haven't seen the tens of cases where a GM or a S2 member has banned someone without real reason, you need to pay more attention). Both others and personal experience.

Anyone who tells me that the PK Pr thing wasn't true is either

1: Retarded
2: Really retarded.
3: Braindead
4: Spends too much time sucking on S2's **** (AKA retarded)
5: Retarded.

I'm sorry that I wont believe that S2 was in the right after they basically deleted everything they could get their hands on after the thread was made. The screenshots suggest that there was more to it then S2 said, and if they truly were in the right, why did they only tell us after basically being forced by the entire community going WTF.

DotA 2 will be better then HoN. More money, better modding, bigger community (Not just the dota people, but the TF2, CSS, HL2, steam, etc etc). It would take them to royally screw up not to instantly take over as the big moba player (And lets face it, when was the last time Valve made a bad game?)

[Keris]

Idk ppl still said that DOTA 2 Community (Which is only in their imagination since the game does not exist yet) is better than HON. Do they even know that DOTA community itself also full of trashtalk and troll?

@Bainshie: It's not about the game, it's more about the community. Intensive moba like HON and DOTA will always full of ppl who trashtalk, troll, racism, etc. It's inevitable. Btw, it's not fair to compare Valve and S2 since valve got more resource and experience, while S2 is considered as a new company.

Dream on kid, dream on

[Vampiress]

I definitely will play Diablo 3, Skyrim, Deus Ex, Mass Effect 3 etc over any dota-like game.
Deus Ex ♥

[Eishun]

RAP doesn't work, the system is broken and abused (Seriously if you haven't seen the tens of cases where a GM or a S2 member has banned someone without real reason, you need to pay more attention). Both others and personal experience.

Anyone who tells me that the PK Pr thing wasn't true is either

1: Retarded
2: Really retarded.
3: Braindead
4: Spends too much time sucking on S2's **** (AKA retarded)
5: Retarded.

I'm sorry that I wont believe that S2 was in the right after they basically deleted everything they could get their hands on after the thread was made. The screenshots suggest that there was more to it then S2 said, and if they truly were in the right, why did they only tell us after basically being forced by the entire community going WTF.

DotA 2 will be better then HoN. More money, better modding, bigger community (Not just the dota people, but the TF2, CSS, HL2, steam, etc etc). It would take them to royally screw up not to instantly take over as the big moba player (And lets face it, when was the last time Valve made a bad game?)

1.do you know what maliken statement after the PK PR case?
2. Good Game != Good Community
HoN is a good game in term of quality, does it have good community? well that's dota community for you, oh btw how much valve will charge for dota 2?

F2P? welcome all lol players, and then kicked back to lol after can't stand the heat on dota2, 50/60$? , hon only cost 30$ and still doesnt get many customer, and valve want to put on 60$? "it is expensive, but we will get more better game and more balanced game and better community"

how?:scou:

[AliasRaegiru]

Oh. Oh boy..

chi·can·er·y

Noun: The use of trickery to achieve a political, financial, or legal purpose.

There was no trickery in that post, sir. It was fairly simple - I told him how to appeal, and mentioned that his post was poorly constructed and extremely aggressive.


I.. I just said whatever came to mind. I have no idea why you think that I was caught up in this whole DotA/DotA2 vs HoN/S2 thing. This entire quote shows that you are clearly frustrated, but come on now, why would you call me out and drag me into an argument I had no place in the first place?

What? This is a very special quote indeed. I would love to see your sources, which hopefully have legitimate proof that a player was banned specifically because of the hero they chose. Not forum gossip, actual proof. Regardless if it happened or not, you continue with this notion that I'm trying to be extraordinary crafty with my words.

Well, okay. What can I do with this. You literally have no way of seeing how the appeal process works, unless you were suspended before. You have no clue about all appeals in general, this is just more forum troll nonsense. I just.. I don't know what to do? Perhaps link you this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

No. No tangible evidence was presented. This is hardly an argument. This was hardly anything at all.

Don't pull me into this. Re-read my post, I mention nothing about S2 (well you know, other than pointing out what type of thread he made) or DotA2. If I wanted to discuss this, I would have made that apparent. It's pretty petty for you to paint me as a villain when I had no part in anything.

I'm sorry if I made my position seem confusing, I don't want to argue over nothing :(.


You don't need to post the meaning of chicanery, since I already know it. But I'm glad you decided to expand your vocab out of my post.

Your post wasn't fair and simple at all.


run-of-the-mill-useless-waste-of-space thread targeting S2 without tangible evidence or coherent sentence structure, or a GM made a mistake and just want to make another run-of-the-mill-useless-waste-of-space thread targeting S2 without tangible evidence or coherent sentence structure.

That was insulting the OP, and you berated him for calling S2 out on what was allegedly a fault of the GM's. Your post is no less aggressive than his-- and might I say that yours is a ton more venomous.


I.. I just said whatever came to mind. I have no idea why you think that I was caught up in this whole DotA/DotA2 vs HoN/S2 thing. This entire quote shows that you are clearly frustrated, but come on now, why would you call me out and drag me into an argument I had no place in the first place?

You implied that the OP was insulting S2 in a misguided rage fit that didn't involve S2, yet solely involved a GM. However, as I stated earlier, the lack of voice chat in replays is a major flaw in RAP, and needs to be addressed. Yet in spite of this, you vituperate the OP for not having "tangible evidence."

You have some nerve saying that I'm frustrated, and your arrogance is further demonstrated by how you're insinuating you know how I'm feeling.


What? This is a very special quote indeed. I would love to see your sources, which hopefully have legitimate proof that a player was banned specifically because of the hero they chose. Not forum gossip, actual proof. Regardless if it happened or not, you continue with this notion that I'm trying to be extraordinary crafty with my words.

I actually laughed here. I know that you're not so oblivious that you aren't aware of the incident that I'm referring to. If you really need me to, I'll dig up the article that addresses this, since all threads on the HoN forums about this matter were quarantined. You are being crafty with your words, not to mention being a supercilious jerk. You mocked the OP then had the audacity to say "Good luck appealing!" as though you were actually being impartial to the matter. Like I said-- save the act kiddo, you're not fooling anyone.


Well, okay. What can I do with this. You literally have no way of seeing how the appeal process works, unless you were suspended before. You have no clue about all appeals in general, this is just more forum troll nonsense. I just.. I don't know what to do? Perhaps link you this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

I don't, huh? As it turns out I have been suspended before, and as it also turns out it was under very circumstantial conditions. I did not rebuke my wrong actions (I believe I was afk in fountain but avoiding detection by talking/moving), but I was highly disappointed in the fact that the GMs did not punish those who clearly caused me to grief (blatantly letting me die on several instances, voice chat racial slurs/insults, etc.). I tried to appeal via support@s2, but their wonderful answer was that they cannot access voice chat in replays and thus would not be able to suspend these people, even with their blatant acts of grief.

Once again, you call someone a forum troll, when, in fact, you're some pretentious kid that assumes the next person doesn't know what he's talking about.


No. No tangible evidence was presented. This is hardly an argument. This was hardly anything at all.

Don't pull me into this. Re-read my post, I mention nothing about S2 (well you know, other than pointing out what type of thread he made) or DotA2. If I wanted to discuss this, I would have made that apparent. It's pretty petty for you to paint me as a villain when I had no part in anything.

I'm sorry if I made my position seem confusing, I don't want to argue over nothing .

There's no need to apologize or act as though you're sorry, because you're clearly a belligerent kid that does not feel sorry at all.

The tangible evidence, as I stated earlier, is the lack of VC in replays, and the aforementioned unjust S2 ban on the player who didn't pick the hero the team wanted.

More than anything, you're a "villain" for picking on the OP, assuming he has no right to voice his opinion on a very broken RAP system that is made by S2 games, and run by GMs.



You clearly think that you're painting yourself as some sort of neutral party when your alliance to s2 is as lucid as crystal. I've said it several times, and I'll say it again-- you're not fooling anyone here kiddo.

[Quelm]

Want to add my personal experience to the mix.

I stopped playing HoN about 10 moths ago for various reasons. During those 10 months I recieved 2 notifications about my behaviour, even though I was not even playing.

Started playing again 1 week ago. IMO the community is much, much better this time around. I don't know if I've just been lucky, or I notice things less, or whatever, but I just feel things are better. Sure theres some raging and emo nonsense, but alot less than my previous experience.

[Ceriss]

1.do you know what maliken statement after the PK PR case?
2. Good Game != Good Community
HoN is a good game in term of quality, does it have good community? well that's dota community for you, oh btw how much valve will charge for dota 2?

F2P? welcome all lol players, and then kicked back to lol after can't stand the heat on dota2, 50/60$? , hon only cost 30$ and still doesnt get many customer, and valve want to put on 60$? "it is expensive, but we will get more better game and more balanced game and better community"

how?:scou:

it has been stated somewhere in dota2 blogs, that the minimal price of dota2 account will not be 60$, but 160$

[AliasRaegiru]

Rarely have I seen anyone get owned harder. Ouch.

Thanks mr suckup, but as a GM he can't give you any goodies, so save the ass-licking for someone higher up on the food chain. Also, read my post without bias-- although that's like asking a chicken to fly-- and you'll see who really got owned.

[Gorb]

Oh look, a DotA 2 vs. HoN vs. LoL thread.

[ElementUser]

The disgusting community on hon alone makes me want to join DOTA 2 ASAP.

The s2 staff's false promises and laziness only foment this desire.



Edit:




You say this as though S2 has any credence with letting legitimate complaints stay on the forums without being quarantined ASAP. Please don't bullshit anyone-- you're really not fooling anyone with your chicanery.

Remember that guy who got banned in an S2 game for not choosing the right hero? Yeah, I thought so. So please save your BS for those gullible enough to believe it.

You also say this as though anyone listens to appeals. The GMs are outright obstinate in their decisions, in spite of how circumstantial half of the "crimes" people commit are. The lack of microphone chat in replays allows for blatant abuse without being caught, and S2 has failed to address this.

Is that tangible enough for you? I even put this argument in a coherent sentence structure for you, pal.

To further back Megaphone & the GM's up:

You have absolutely no clue of what goes on during the appeal process. That's right, nil. This is an indication of your complete ignorance on what actually happens, rather than what "you think" happens.

From a public community member's view, it seems as though Plague Rider was banned just because he rushed Portal Key and got no other items when he went solo middle.

However, what really happened:

The Plague Rider was not banned on his item choice, but rather on how he played the game. Needless to say, he griefed in that game.

So the next time you comment on something like this, you better know all the facts before putting that text into a post.

http://doulifee.com//Storage/aceatt/Gyakutenprosecutor/1-ani-edgeworth-bow.gif

[marcraft]

I tried to join MM.

#1:"No response from server". :blac:
#2:"It took to long to blablablalhal".:blac:
#3:"No response from server".:blac:
#4:"The server cant authorize your account".:blac:
#5:"No response from server".:blac:
#6:"CRAASHHH" :blac:
#7:"I GET INTO THE GAME!! SPIKES EVERY 3 SEC, GAME REMAKED".:blac:

With that said I open my arms for DotA2 and kiss HoN Goodbye!:scou:

[Meepoo]

Get. the. ****. out. DOTA2 is going to be the same **** in a different package. #carebear

[LeFromage]

/care :))

[NH]

Did you also tried to join dota 2 MM?

Had sucess?

Mhm.

[Eldunari]

you forgot that somtimes when u finaly get a match som1 does not conect:scou:

[QtheMuse]

8 month que for DoTa 2 vrs rebooting HoN and getting into a game in under a minute. Makes total sense.

[Ceriss]

maybe take a break from HoN (even for example half a hour) and maybe you will find better way how to spend your 160$

[bonGg]

fanboy get lost noone needs you here (:

[Vassef_Oder]

Good bye dude, i won't miss you.

[cg_drawchat0]

Yeah, I said back in my school time 'hello' to my teachers two hours before they entered the room, too.

[DangerousDan]

repetitive thread is repetitive

[marcraft]

Get. the. ****. out. DOTA2 is going to be the same **** in a different package. #carebear

Oooh, I forgot to mention that. Rageing kids is also a reason I'm kissing HoN goodbye :)

[marcraft]

Did you also tried to join dota 2 MM?

Had sucess?

Mhm.


Steam Vs S2!

Steam Wins.

[Ceriss]

Oooh, I forgot to mention that. Rageing kids is also a reason I'm kissing HoN goodbye :)

and do you think raging kids will not be in dota2?

[Roefl]

Do we care?
Oh I should look for that gif. http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAGQAAABkCAIAAAD/gAIDAAACiUlEQVR4nO3aS3LDIAwGYB3dx8syC9/HXTjTUpDES0RgfkbTcamwzYf8aCZ0vl+IkiAiOt+vCy3XjuP4w 3Jft8kjxiI6EGwAC1i5qLpPEdHuWHU3KWAZYyUF6TCrEccNsYg +02d7qrGGnrdLRJUV6kR2vVhsuaXV15kTHovNlDobsH6NIimDy 1A6aXajLadklLKfBiz2emyvrLYptblfQjmPwzKrLEMs6dR7Cqo fKzSKvOyx9BpJ6yicpJKQpWF3WOJ4jXgaLhH9lbXFS2lazsAao nwUt92xqLptjdUSwOrDQuTv98ACFrCAtUQAC1juWJT8dy79qSE o+JCkbeCg/KmxvjZwINadE67/3aLtk/ssLUxL+9O0NIHt0Q8tpUUTSSdlj6UcT8It6ZcSlItU2VXbnhWv Iiz633SsdBlXwWKLtwVLObnyE50KS9m2x1K8SiorXcNwCDtQWv Yoh01IT4llNags8yhZRtuBnWMXw9LXfNxYf6xFwwbLZN3mD2AN wCp50ERp0TOo5Lk2edRVFvuwl/qV9wZ21PxRV1lZLPaNZi8svYIkhU2xTvlGw96zqrDSn9MG3rOA BSz3ABawgOUewAKWL1b5lzAf0Ayw3Bf2a+Vjg8V+eXCVTmABC1 juncACFrDcO4EFrGdg7RAGWNdOrRcLASxgAWuGABawpsWiBZsn lt8rUXWbAutr10JPfGYLLGABC1i+CoXzXw+r/xG+C5Yh0MOxpLOMCo0tPSlnO6woITJKB2YTnowVlVIJljLkyVg 6Tbay9GVYGCs7T1yGTL50t5awwhzp12diOQawgAUs9wDWglgN3 6B2af5YyzVgVTQ3rH0CWMAaiuX4eFqrudxhl2w31g/UMmQ8Aad91QAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Ah there it is.http://www.cyberiapc.com/gallery/uploads/Other/giving_a_damn.gif

[Ftero]

Oooh, I forgot to mention that. Rageing kids is also a reason I'm kissing HoN goodbye :)

Goodbye raging HoN community, hello raging DotA 2 community. You're going to be playing with the same people. Nothing will change in this regard.

[daebak]

Oooh, I forgot to mention that. Rageing kids is also a reason I'm kissing HoN goodbye :)

You are probably the most :madm: in this thread.

[marcraft]

maybe take a break from HoN (even for example half a hour) and maybe you will find better way how to spend your 160$

I worked for 10 hours,I came home and was abit anxious to play. This is when this happened. I'm not some fat german kid playing 24/7.

[marcraft]

Do we care?
Oh I should look for that gif. http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAGQAAABkCAIAAAD/gAIDAAACiUlEQVR4nO3aS3LDIAwGYB3dx8syC9/HXTjTUpDES0RgfkbTcamwzYf8aCZ0vl+IkiAiOt+vCy3XjuP4w 3Jft8kjxiI6EGwAC1i5qLpPEdHuWHU3KWAZYyUF6TCrEccNsYg +02d7qrGGnrdLRJUV6kR2vVhsuaXV15kTHovNlDobsH6NIimDy 1A6aXajLadklLKfBiz2emyvrLYptblfQjmPwzKrLEMs6dR7Cqo fKzSKvOyx9BpJ6yicpJKQpWF3WOJ4jXgaLhH9lbXFS2lazsAao nwUt92xqLptjdUSwOrDQuTv98ACFrCAtUQAC1juWJT8dy79qSE o+JCkbeCg/KmxvjZwINadE67/3aLtk/ssLUxL+9O0NIHt0Q8tpUUTSSdlj6UcT8It6ZcSlItU2VXbnhWv Iiz633SsdBlXwWKLtwVLObnyE50KS9m2x1K8SiorXcNwCDtQWv Yoh01IT4llNags8yhZRtuBnWMXw9LXfNxYf6xFwwbLZN3mD2AN wCp50ERp0TOo5Lk2edRVFvuwl/qV9wZ21PxRV1lZLPaNZi8svYIkhU2xTvlGw96zqrDSn9MG3rOA BSz3ABawgOUewAKWL1b5lzAf0Ayw3Bf2a+Vjg8V+eXCVTmABC1 juncACFrDcO4EFrGdg7RAGWNdOrRcLASxgAWuGABawpsWiBZsn lt8rUXWbAutr10JPfGYLLGABC1i+CoXzXw+r/xG+C5Yh0MOxpLOMCo0tPSlnO6woITJKB2YTnowVlVIJljLkyVg 6Tbay9GVYGCs7T1yGTL50t5awwhzp12diOQawgAUs9wDWglgN3 6B2af5YyzVgVTQ3rH0CWMAaiuX4eFqrudxhl2w31g/UMmQ8Aad91QAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Ah there it is.http://www.cyberiapc.com/gallery/uploads/Other/giving_a_damn.gif

This one is better:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0

Btw,I'm pretty sure noone forced you to read this thread :)

[QtheMuse]

you suck dick for 10 hours a day? man that must be hard work.

[Ceriss]

I worked for 10 hours,I came home and was abit anxious to play. This is when this happened. I'm not some fat german kid playing 24/7.

sorry, but you look like one, because if you would had a job, then you would never make this kind of thread

you look like 10 years old kid

[cg_drawchat0]

Steam Vs S2!

Steam Wins.

nub.

Its Valve.
Steam is just a product.

[PaLiDo]

bye marcraft :D

[Tomate]

Cya, 1 rage quit kid less.

[PhoenixForce]

Bye , Don't come here again , Bi@tch.

[beiberfan420]

the funny part is that all the dota 2 haters in this thread will quit hon when dota 2 comes out, theyre just in denial atm

[Brohemoth]

Steam Vs S2!

Steam Wins.

Steam isn't a company...

[Meepoo]

Oooh, I forgot to mention that. Rageing kids is also a reason I'm kissing HoN goodbye :)

*raging

I ain't even mad bro. Last I checked, you are the one making a QQ thread. You don't like HoN? So don't play. Making a thread shows how emo you are and craving for pity attention. You think HoN is the only game with ragers. :madm:

/thread

[daroach1414]

Oooh, I forgot to mention that. Rageing kids is also a reason I'm kissing HoN goodbye :)

Pot calling the kettle black?

[Gonzobrez]

gief account so i can troll 1900+ people.
that is all.

[Ftero]

the funny part is that all the dota 2 haters in this thread will quit hon when dota 2 comes out, theyre just in denial atm

Why can't people play both? Is there are rule somewhere I didn't read? I know plenty of people that play HoN and LoL.

[ThunderCraft]

news at eleven
http://www.gamersbook.com/scene/news/additional-dota-2-leaks-surfaced-today/

new game types

Classic Mode: None of the changes, 100% WC3 Dota
Normal Mode: Orb updates, bug fixes, etc
Easy Mode: No EXP loss from deny, no gold loss on death, etc
All Random All Mid: I give you 1 guess.
Fortress Mode: 1 team is attacking while the other defends, defending team can buy traps, attacking team can buy creeps.
Arena Mode: FFA or teamed death match
Wild Mode: Random heroes with random skills.
Free Mode: No cool downs with no mana cost on skills.
Commander Mode: When you die you are changed into another hero with the same items and same level. The first side to run out of heroes or to lose their base loses.

[sakujo]

^the source is a forum that literally has a headliner that says 'only a fool would take anything posted here as fact'

[Flaghill]

Match players of similar skill, that is all.

Try hards with try hards, new players with new players, bads with bads.

[Kohun]

such a system would destroy peoples lives

[Akuild]

And the reality is Dota 2 wont be able to perfect it much more then HoN did... lol at oblivious fan boys

[IsmaelVera]

That's impossible. You can't calculate how try hard you are. You will also have to enjoy 10 min queues, 20 during beta.
:balp:

[Maginox]

How is this general discussion? I wish s2 banned u forever from hon then u could look at dota 2 and be gone forever ahhh

[Zellgadis]

Too hard to implement.

[eoLithic]

I look forward to dota 2 for the deeper hero pool and hoping for EM back.

Yup, I said it.. I want EM back

[MojoSoul]

Be gone with him! Dota2 = 13 yr old kids who cant afford $30 = leavers paradise.

[GTLbrahh]

being a tryhard doesn't make you good though bro

[uolen]

You can sit around playing with yourself while dreaming about your perfect game. In reality i bet it has the exact same mtchmaking system as hon. Dreams crushed.

[ArnoldRimmer]

edited for personal reasons

[eoLithic]

I've seen game play of dota 2 and let me you: dota 2 has better graphics and a better interface.


see what I did there?

[ArnoldRimmer]

Well the difference is I'm not bullshitting.

[eoLithic]

No bullshit either

see what I did there?

[sakujo]

Well the difference is I'm not bullshitting.

why would you even make a statement like that without proof?

**** out of here

[ArnoldRimmer]

I dont want to get someone in trouble? Anyway just another lame d2 thread, move along citizens

[YawningAngel]

This doesn't really merit a thread all on its own.

[LonelyQueen]

added another thread
=)

[LonelyQueen]

just figured out that
35 = days
-_-

[RystariuS]

http://www.dota-two.com/dota2-presentation-countdown



[ 33:22:55:42 ]

[YawningAngel]

3
2
1
Countdown to you being told to use the search function complete.

[Radiohead]

news at eleven
http://www.gamersbook.com/scene/news/additional-dota-2-leaks-surfaced-today/

new game types

Classic Mode: None of the changes, 100% WC3 Dota
Normal Mode: Orb updates, bug fixes, etc
Easy Mode: No EXP loss from deny, no gold loss on death, etc
All Random All Mid: I give you 1 guess.
Fortress Mode: 1 team is attacking while the other defends, defending team can buy traps, attacking team can buy creeps.
Arena Mode: FFA or teamed death match
Wild Mode: Random heroes with random skills.
Free Mode: No cool downs with no mana cost on skills.
Commander Mode: When you die you are changed into another hero with the same items and same level. The first side to run out of heroes or to lose their base loses.

Absolutely fake.

[YawningAngel]

This is the thread where you can talk about DOTA2. By extension, all the other threads are threads where you can't talk about DOTA2. If any enthusiasts want info about the game edited into the OP, shove it here or PM me. All other threads about this topic will be closed, because they're getting absurdly spammy.

[Lethe]

YA laying down the law.

Neways I don't see what there is to talk about until we actually see some gameplay footage.

[Hat_Truck]

Good choice by YawningAngel. Though I'm very excited about DotA 2 myself, these are the HoN forums after all.

On the topic of DotA 2, I talked to Tasteless (well-known Starcraft 2 caster) in HoN the other day. Apparently he was a big fan of the original DotA and is greatly looking forward to DotA 2 as well. I was delighted to be the first one to tell him about the big presentational tournament taking place next month, he seemed very excited to hear about it and told me that he would definitely be tuning in. It's awesome to know that even big SC2 fans are looking forward to it as well.

[Cheerilee]

Can somepony please tell me when the presentation is? I havn't seen any threads regarding that.

Yours truly,

[Broodje]

I'm really not excited at all for dota2 imo.

[LonelyQueen]

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[elbarto]

hi!!!


DOTA 2 COME 2011


http://www.dota-two.com/valve-at-gamescom-2011




Das Entwicklerstudio Valve hat in einen Brief an eine chinesische DotA-Profispielerin bestätigt, dass es auf der gamescom 2011 erste DotA 2-Eindrücke geben wird.
http://www.pcgames.de/Defense-of-the-Ancients-2-PC-236099/News/DotA-2-Veroeffentlichung-via-Steam-steht-in-Kuerze-bevor-834561/

[HAPPINESS013]

#care

[xNightm4nx]

Exciting news that were never posted or mentioned before.

[Zanem]

"Though it is not official that VALVe will present DOTA 2 there we all hope they will."

[MeneerKrabs]

Who cares?

If there's ANYTHING interesting going on at Gamescom, it's Guild Wars 2.

[LonelyQueen]

So old!

[CALMDOWNBRO]

http://news.mmosite.com/content/2011-07-19/dota_2_will_attend_gamescom_beta_rumored_to_be_in_ october.shtml

[Zerillis]

give beta key plx?

[elbarto]

Das Entwicklerstudio Valve hat in einen Brief an eine chinesische DotA-Profispielerin bestätigt, dass es auf der gamescom 2011 erste DotA 2-Eindrücke geben wird.
von pc-games.de

[Sauron`]

I'm really not excited at all for dota2 imo.

I kind of feel the same way. I mean I played Dota for 5-6 years.....and while I did love it HoN was a refreshing change, and I really enjoy HoN alot. It's basically just going to be like Old Dota with better graphics.....which is great. But i've already played Dota.

Thats not to say I won't "try" it, but it'll have to be significantly better than HoN for me to really switch over. So we'll see.

[m0ntyyy]

because germany rockz <3

[KhainStakard]

CALMDOWNBRO :blac:

[DounJeimes]

omg thx GOD

[`Fluttershy]

nopony cares about dota2

[Broodje]

everypony cares for the OT forums I guess.

As you said, old dota was fun, but I will stick to HoN for the time being. If HoN really dies I think I'll just step over to another game genre.

[Evermourn]

http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=299468

Here is my thread about DOTA2. If the links and summary info could be edited into OP, that'd be great. Thanks.

[Felathar]

So a friend ask me why I thought LoL players will not care about DOTA2 and why we HoN players will love it.

Fact is simple. HoN is hard as hell to master. LoL is more casual and noobie friendly.

I think I will love DOTA2 as much as I love HoN. Still I'm loving the direction HoN is taking, Nome is creating some sick heroes lately like drunken and Monkey king.


Thats what I posted on LoL forums.

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=11678188#post11678188

[Skyve]

Nome is creating some sick heroes lately like drunken and Monkey king.

I'm pretty sure drunken isn't of Nome's making.

[MegaMan_X`]

I would expect Dota 2 to be extremely dumbed down as well.

It's just too profitable to gear the game towards retards.

[Felathar]

I would expect Dota 2 to be extremely dumbed down as well.

It's just too profitable to gear the game towards retards.

Thats why I'm proud of suporting S2. Even thoug they **** up sometimes they are creating a real great game and some day everyone will notice.

I'm exited for 3.0 in 4 months or so :)

[Kild]

I would expect Dota 2 to be extremely dumbed down as well.

It's just too profitable to gear the game towards retards.

They've stated they're not changing any gameplay...

[Felathar]

I'm pretty sure drunken isn't of Nome's making.

True true my mistake

[Graviton]

Even if dota2 is a crappier game, valve and sponsors will pump so much money into dota2 that top players wont have get a real job ever again..

[Lolcraft]

We can only wait and see. I'm cautiously optimistic about Dota2, but I won't make any judgments until the gameplay demos come out a month from now at gamescom.

[YawningAngel]

Use the official thread, Luke.

[Fashionisto]

There will be a small contingent of players that can't compete with top DotA teams, but find success in HoN such as MSI, SK, etc. and will continue to play the game "competitively". I'd imagine they'd keep the scene about as "alive" as it is now.

[Omgopolis]

DivA doesn't work for Valve or Riot does he?

If not, then S2 + HoN are going to be the clear winners.

[Foul]

DivA doesn't work for Valve or Riot does he?

If not, then S2 + HoN are going to be the clear winners.

S2 have some good people but lol Diva.

[Felathar]

DivA doesn't work for Valve or Riot does he?

If not, then S2 + HoN are going to be the clear winners.

Diva is the .... man? Anyway he rocks.

[dutchmasterz]

MSI and SK will have dota2 teams as well...im not sure how many games these big esports teams like to be involved with, so maybe they will hang onto hon squads as well...but to me hon is the most likely on the chopping block if they are going to remove a game to add dota2.

i mean counterstrike, quake, fifa, couple of console games are not going anywhere for these esports organizations, hon doesnt have that steady of footing (not even close)

[cg_drawchat0]

Counterstrike 1.6 - Counterstrike : Source.
Use ur imagination...

[GhsCrysis]

MSI and SK will have a DotA 2 team.

Big names like those have teams for much more then HoN, I know they have them for WoW's 3v3 arena, and I wanna say Quake as well along with possibly some sports games on console.

[TRYTROUSERS]

it wont, but thats what happens when you listen to competitive players who want the entire game to revolve around the same 15 boring dota heros and want s2 heros to only be useful in pubstomps. why play the dota copy when dota is right there?

[evotech]

Creating a real game that real players like is important. I hope DotA2 will stay true to the difficulty of the game. As of now i enjoy HoN and don't really care that a new game will come out soon. I can't go around judging a game by its name. So many games these days are just a ****ing disappointment compared to their prequels because they want to make the game easier and more accessible. It is a ****ing tragedy.

Yes i'm looking at you CNC / RA, fable, final fantasy, call of duty etc etc etc

[cg_drawchat0]

Since $2 wants to make HoN more 'active' like LoL many oldf4gs from DotA like me want to have the good ol' gameplay and hope that DotA2 will have it. To bridge the time between DotA and DotA2 HoN seems to be a better solution than LoL. That means -> more HoN players are former DotA players than LoL players -> Thats why Dota2 has a bigger impact on HoN than on LoL. But when it becomes F2P this might be completely different. Also : LoL seems to be more like WoW than like DotA.

[Testingrani]

In terms of popularity:

HoN < LoL < Dota 2

League of Legends does not even have half the playerbase of Warcraft 3 DotA.

If HoN goes F2P, it could go:
HoN = LoL < Dota 2

or be the same back in beta when HoN (a beta game) was beating a released game (League of Legends):
LoL < HoN < Dota 2

But in order to do that, HoN needs to spend on advertisements and not just rely on word of mouth anymore.

[Testingrani]

HoN's competitive scene is seen to die once Dota 2 comes out.

Dota 2 will be seen as a serious competitive game that actually pumps money into it (more lucrative).

League of Legends will always be seen as a casual game that pumps money into it.

And HoN will just be seen as a competitive game with a non-lucrative competitive scene.

[Skyve]

Probably MSI/SK will move their DotA team to DotA2, or at least that would make sense to me.

[Lucian01]

This dota2 game, can someone post me a gameplay video of it so I can see what's it's like?

[Naib]

You are aware that
#1 playing HoN and playing DotA2 are not mutually exclusive
#2 DotA2 doesn't mean that HoN will just die
#3 nothing to say that DotA2 is going to be as successful as it is hyped up to be (in my experience those things that a community hype up end up being a MASSIVE disappointment)
#4 do you really prefer jungle-style play over trilane (which is being worked out of the game in favour of more gank) ?

grass is always greener syndrome. noone outside of dota2 beta knows what has changed from dota, ppl might not like the changes just like they don't like the hon changes plus hon is differentiating itself more and more.

[Omgopolis]

I'd probably give Dota 2 a shot (I'm guessing there will be a free trial or something), but I don't know if I'd like it more than HoN. I've never played DotA, so I'm not familiar with all the heroes people seem to love so much, and it'd be a pain to try and learn all of the old DotA names for heroes and items that I'm used to from HoN.

Worst case scenario: Dota 2 is super awesome and I end up spending more money on a really good game that's better than HoN. That doesn't sound too bad.

Every other scenario: Stick with HoN until I find a better game to play (Guild Wars 2 probably).

[abgeschmatzt]

dota 2 release -> $2 = $0

[dutchmasterz]

You are aware that
#1 playing HoN and playing DotA2 are not mutually exclusive
#2 DotA2 doesn't mean that HoN will just die
#3 nothing to say that DotA2 is going to be as successful as it is hyped up to be (in my experience those things that a community hype up end up being a MASSIVE disappointment)
#4 do you really prefer jungle-style play over trilane (which is being worked out of the game in favour of more gank) ?

grass is always greener syndrome. noone outside of dota2 beta knows what has changed from dota, ppl might not like the changes just like they don't like the hon changes plus hon is differentiating itself more and more.

1) hon servers are terrible, s2 created heroes are terrible. people wont go back to hon, just like people didnt go back to regular dota
2) hon wont die, but the hardcore scene will certainly move on
3) you sound mad?
4) u mad bro?

dota2 for life i love you icefrog

[Skyve]

DotA does have some nice heroes, like Invoker (which I absolutely adored for his massive amount of abilities), but then it's got crappy heroes like (and yes, I know, a lot of people are going to hate me for saying this) Goblin Techies (which basically is a utterly useless hero unless you play in pubs against players that don't use rev wards/eye).

Goblin Techies basically has Engineers mines as a skill, and then again as his ultimate, an ability that kills himself and deals absurd damage to a single target (650 on lvl1, 1550 on lvl4) and still strong nuke damage in an aoe further away from the target.
And he has a stasis trap (works like the mines, but stuns instead of dealing damage).

[Cik`]

Techies was a deciding factor for most games in the Wc3 mod...you'd be talking out of your ass on that one.

[Galneryus]

1) hon servers are terrible, s2 created heroes are terrible. people wont go back to hon, just like people didnt go back to regular dota
2) hon wont die, but the hardcore scene will certainly move on
3) you sound mad?
4) u mad bro?

dota2 for life i love you icefrog
1) It's your opinion, and I agree that some heroes are not good (my opinion)
2) That's what should happen, my opinion
3 and 4) Nice constructive argument :arma:

I won't say you are a dotard or kinda, but just don't be blind and see what DotA 2 will bring first. I'm REALLY excited about D2 too, but again, don't be a blind gamer that "moves with the flow".

EDIT: Oh, about #3, the best example right now is the horrible new Duke Nukem. And for the pseudo-trolls, horrible is just my opinion.

[ThisIsAddict]

If the actual competitive scene moves to dota².
There might be a new competitive scene no ? With fresh blood and stuff.
And maybe dota² will be disappointing, so wait and see before starting some useless debate.

[Lethe]

Although most of us have played dota, it has changed significantly in the last few years.

My last game in dota was like 6.61 or something, when TC was still imba as ****. There's definitely a lot to learn, even if you used to play.

[Wafflecopter]

because we need another thread comparing these three games.

[BoboTheKlown]

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Steam-digital-distribution-bandwidth-throttling-aggregate-bandwidth-DLC,13098.html


"Over time, more and more of the content on Steam will be delivered using this new system," Valve said.
"Soon, Dota 2 will be delivered using it."

O_O

[magicaltux]

They've stated they're not changing any gameplay...

If Valve do that, they will probably die. many people did not buy HoN for a single reason, they were just some greedy ol' mofos who didn't wan't to pay 30$ for a game they were already playing for FREE !!!

Once dota2 will hit the shelves, you won't see that many dota players go all crazy and buy it asap. they will stick to their free game they love.

As for Valve, if thye do not change the gameplay, they are basically shooting themselves in the leg. They will change the gameplay and you will see dota2 become as casual as LoL if they deem it necessary.

If they stick to their plan of keeping the gameplay, they will simply enter a war over HoN's playerbase and dota. Which won't work on the short term and will cost money, lot of it. In the end, both game will share a small playerbase and both game will be dead while LoL survive and actually LOL over the situation.

It is more profitable to try to keep the basis of the game and turn it more friendly at the same time, this way they will be able to get peole from LoL and HoN.

[MichaelBurge]

Word around the rumor mill is that someone posted highly polished, irrefutable, objective arguments that DotA 2 will be the worst game ever. I was wondering if somebody knew more about this?

[Azrethe]

Felathar you nub, why dont you add me to friendlist :p I need someone to help me learn this game (since the tutorials broken)!

[Kild]

DotA does have some nice heroes, like Invoker (which I absolutely adored for his massive amount of abilities), but then it's got crappy heroes like (and yes, I know, a lot of people are going to hate me for saying this) Goblin Techies (which basically is a utterly useless hero unless you play in pubs against players that don't use rev wards/eye).

Goblin Techies basically has Engineers mines as a skill, and then again as his ultimate, an ability that kills himself and deals absurd damage to a single target (650 on lvl1, 1550 on lvl4) and still strong nuke damage in an aoe further away from the target.
And he has a stasis trap (works like the mines, but stuns instead of dealing damage).

Techies was quite successful when he was played competitively around the time there was massive support for porting him over.


If Valve do that, they will probably die. many people did not buy HoN for a single reason, they were just some greedy ol' mofos who didn't wan't to pay 30$ for a game they were already playing for FREE !!!

Or they didn't like what S2 was doing during open-beta.



Once dota2 will hit the shelves, you won't see that many dota players go all crazy and buy it asap. they will stick to their free game they love.

DotA2 will most likely be free and what makes you think they'd play an outdated version of the game? Would you go back to HoN1.0?


As for Valve, if thye do not change the gameplay, they are basically shooting themselves in the leg. They will change the gameplay and you will see dota2 become as casual as LoL if they deem it necessary.

They already have a casual hit - it's called TF2 - I don't think they're going to look for another.



If they stick to their plan of keeping the gameplay, they will simply enter a war over HoN's playerbase and dota. Which won't work on the short term and will cost money, lot of it. In the end, both game will share a small playerbase and both game will be dead while LoL survive and actually LOL over the situation.

Most of HoN's vocal playerbase is looking forward to DotA2 and HoN has very little of the actual market share. 500k accounts vs 10million that play DotA


It is more profitable to try to keep the basis of the game and turn it more friendly at the same time, this way they will be able to get peole from LoL and HoN.
DotA2 will have tons of players by name alone. It will also draw players from those who dislike S2, DotA players, Steam/Valve, curious LoL players.


:pred:

[Ms_Fister]

http://www.impetuouswindmills.com/2011/07/18/podcast-episode-41/

John Patrick Lowrie (TF2 sniper) was on a podcast and mentioned that he is doing voice work for seven Dota 2 characters, Pudge and Storm Spirit specifically. You can hear some sample voice work at around ~34 minutes. He also mentions that Valve is "wrapping up" the game and it should be ready in the fall.

I bet Open Beta starts after gamescom.

[Drasha]

Please use the official dota2 thread in off topic.
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=300780

[Ms_Fister]

http://www.impetuouswindmills.com/20...st-episode-41/

John Patrick Lowrie (TF2 sniper) was on a podcast and mentioned that he is doing voice work for seven Dota 2 characters, Pudge and Storm Spirit specifically. You can hear some sample voice work at around ~34 minutes. He also mentions that Valve is "wrapping up" the game and it should be ready in the fall.

I bet Open Beta starts after gamescom.. or DURING the gamescom tourney, so they could show off the dota2tv and everyone could watch the tourney from their dota2 clients.

Cool.

[Fuga]

Oh sweet should be out by 2013 then

[Graviton]

Sign of HoNs impending doom....Sorry S2 you are great company but nothing you can do about the giant monster that is valve.

[Error]

I just headed over to the LoL forums to check it out.

Seems like HoN is censored. *** will show instead

Lol

[Wafflecopter]

They already have a casual hit - it's called TF2 - I don't think they're going to look for another.
Comparing games of differing genres, not a valid argument


Most of HoN's vocal playerbase is looking forward to DotA2 and HoN has very little of the actual market share. 500k accounts vs 10million that play DotA
Maybe at its peak dota had 10 million accounts actively playing it, but that would be a stretch and currently it is nowhere near that amount, as most of the dota players have moved to either HoN or LoL

[pakoito]

The chinese bough Riot for 4M$? The budget for HoN was past 6M like one year ago. Riot must have spent half of that on ads instead of features. Either that or they don't know how to bargain.

[ThisIsAddict]

(Guild Wars 2 probably).
Unless you like PvE, you shouldn't play gw².
The game has been announced since 3 years or so now, still no infos about PvP (unless you think knowing that the competitive pvp will be 5V5 and there will be a huge WvW)

Anyway, I think I'll play both. And HoN definitely more players than LoL, but I don't think it would be a good thing.

[Skyve]

Techies was quite successful when he was played competitively around the time there was massive support for porting him over.

Yes, primarily because of his first blood capabilities. And yes, I was definitely exaggerating when I said he is utterly useless, simply because I hate his design so much. I really, really dislike that guy >_>


Unless you like PvE, you shouldn't play gw².

Um... that is a weird statement, especially considering your follow up statement that is a good reason to not listen to your first line.
Just because you don't know anything about GW2 PvP yet doesn't mean you can only play it for it's PvE...

W T F !

I just read the thread at LoL forums. Why those noobs aren't trolling? what's the point of having a forums and not call "you "*hit OP noob stfu".

These guys have such a great community.

On topic: yes, it's pretty obvious that DOTA2 will be more HoN oriented than LoL.

[Su0T]

Techies was a deciding factor for most games in the Wc3 mod...you'd be talking out of your ass on that one.
Indeed he was. The team he was in lost 90% of the time.

[SESnut]

a lot of the time i hear people downplay dota2 and refer to tf2, but WHY?

can someone explain to me how the alt weapons actually imbalance the game?

while a new player may not have access to the weapons, the weapons are designed so that they arent better than the regular ones so where the hell is the problem?

[Omgopolis]

Unless you like PvE, you shouldn't play gw².
The game has been announced since 3 years or so now, still no infos about PvP (unless you think knowing that the competitive pvp will be 5V5 and there will be a huge WvW)
I enjoyed GW PvE quite a bit. I dabbled a little in PvP (mostly RA, some HA) but I never really joined a hardcore clan to do it seriously.

I have a feeling what they put out will be pretty solid. The only 'wtf' thing so far I've read is that the designated heal/prot guy is out. I can see that altering PvP greatly. The Monk was also one of my most used classes, so that change may be a little weird.

[Nyandex]

HoN gameplay is identical to dota, that's why.

Also lol at people thinking HoN could be as popular as LoL. Too late for that.

[Testingrani]

Dota 2 - the most awaited game in the Dota genre.

Hope S2 adapts and reacts properly.

[sakujo]

http://www.impetuouswindmills.com/20...st-episode-41/

John Patrick Lowrie (TF2 sniper) was on a podcast and mentioned that he is doing voice work for seven Dota 2 characters, Pudge and Storm Spirit specifically. You can hear some sample voice work at around ~34 minutes. He also mentions that Valve is "wrapping up" the game and it should be ready in the fall.

I bet Open Beta starts after gamescom.. or DURING the gamescom tourney, so they could show off the dota2tv and everyone could watch the tourney from their dota2 clients.

Cool.

DAYM
well wishing

[Hilger]

I really doubt Dota 2 will lack for a playerbase. There's tons of potential customers: ex-DotA HoN players who are ready to go back, experienced LoL players who feel they're ready to graduate to the "real thing", DotA purists who never made the switch to HoN or LoL. And there's always new players. As much as people like to gnash their teeth about how harsh and unforgiving the learning curve of DotA is for new players, millions and millions of people play or have played DotA and they were all new at some point. I'm sure there are a ton of people who will see that Valve has come out with a new game, give it a try, and end up addicted, the same way that we did in some distant, more innocent time in our lives.

If anything, it's S2 that should be worried. HoN has a serious problem, and that's a fatal lack of a strong central thesis. In the beginning, HoN was marketed to us as the authentic, hardcore DotA experience--DotA with smackdowns and every conceivable kind of stat-tracking (MMR/PSR, KDR, etc.), with matchmaking and a better UI. But somewhere along the line it feels like it stopped being that; maybe the people at S2 saw DotA 2 looming large over the horizon and got scared, or maybe they saw the size of LoL's playerbase and grew jealous. But it's undeniable that HoN's recent changes--casual mode, the clunky new shop interface, the goblin shop, etc.--have been aimed at the kind of casual players that LoL is teeming with.

Will HoN succeed at being a better casual gaming experience than LoL? Will it succeed at being a better authentic DotA experience than DotA 2? I'm not so sure. Granted, there are a handful of things that will set it apart from DotA 2--some heroes, a few items, small terrain changes--but the gameplay is still largely similar. Somehow I think only the most rabid of fanboys will refuse to switch because they'll miss Gauntlet and Blood Chalice too much. And I wouldn't really count on any of the future hero releases to be HoN's saving grace; the two-week release cycle is just not very conducive to making balanced, well-designed heroes.

To me, HoN is a lot like K-Mart. In the battle of the discount department stores, you had three real contenders: Walmart, Target, and K-Mart. Walmart cut its prices lower than the other two could hope to match, giving it the broad, blue-collar lower-middle class appeal that made its brand so powerful. Target marketed itself to the white-collar consumer who wanted the convenience of the large department store but not the low quality products and ignominy they'd get shopping at Walmart. K-Mart, lastly, tried to position itself somewhere in the middle, and ended up almost shut out of the market completely.

[Frewbags]

Creating a real game that real players like is important. I hope DotA2 will stay true to the difficulty of the game. As of now i enjoy HoN and don't really care that a new game will come out soon. I can't go around judging a game by its name. So many games these days are just a ****ing disappointment compared to their prequels because they want to make the game easier and more accessible. It is a ****ing tragedy.

Yes i'm looking at you CNC / RA, fable, final fantasy, call of duty etc etc etc

I'm thinking they would want to appeal to the masses on Steam by making it rather dumbed down. HoN will be the true hardcore MOBA ;)

[sakujo]

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/261044_100001292507635_2145195_q.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001292507635)Ranso Tengai (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001292507635)
(Open) Beta will start around 19th August since the NDA also ends there (not a coincidence)

source: http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=106876872711112&topic=77

this was posted 2 weeks ago, before that letter was leaked. did he just pull that date out of his ass or something?
thoughts?

[erigais]

They've stated they're not changing any gameplay...

thats a shame they wont, cuz dota is slow and boring

[Loli]

The date isn't pulled out of his ass.

Gamescom is August 18-21st and they're holding a tournament for DotA 2 there.

It should be no surprised if the Beta started then (closed or open no idea).

I would assume it would start the day after the tournament to maximize viewers for the tournament and give it some real hype.

:stri: Main reason i dont gonna leave hon. :stri: :stri:

[sakujo]

SAYIAN

[Cheerilee]

The one thing I'm interested in is wether they're going for cell-shading graphics á la LoL or the same kind that Hon has. I can't imagine it anyway! How will it look?!?!

[Loli]

I really, really doubt AND HOPE they don't do anything like TF2 or LoL.
That would completely destroy the game for me.
I'm huge on cosmetic appeal.

I would assume something good looking, but maybe not as dark and gritty as HoN, but CERTAINLY better looking.
I'm always so sad that HoN's high graphics look like low on most games.

[Cheerilee]

I really, really doubt AND HOPE they don't do anything like TF2 or LoL.
That would completely destroy the game for me.
I'm huge on cosmetic appeal.

I would assume something good looking, but maybe not as dark and gritty as HoN, but CERTAINLY better looking.
I'm always so sad that HoN's high graphics look like low on most games.

I don't think you're right about the graphics about hon. Sure, It's not the most demanding game there is out there. But it's still pretty pleasant to look at (atleast if you have a decent computer).

It just feels so weird not knowing how DOTA 2 will look. It's just like trying to come up with a new color. You just CANT!

[Loli]

I think it'll look like a good Warcraft III.

[Cheerilee]

Screenshots should appear as soon as the NDA dissappears, right?

[BubbleZ]

http://www.dota-two.com/forum/news/lowrie-dota-2-coming-this-fall-t274.html

[Loli]

of course.
but by that time videos will be out.

If we're lucky someone who streams will get a key.

[FORUMACCOUNT]

Can't wait for my sniper sounding pudge.

[Death_Rattle]

Can't wait for my sniper sounding pudge.

LOL 4char

[Cheerilee]

Cool:)

Can't wait.

[Volko]

WTH the sniper's voice in TF2 for pudge ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAFdd8dY9eA


Not going to buy DotA after all... ohwait

[cg_drawchat0]

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet

Rewrite into Pudge:

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to kill everyone you meat.

[opt]

how long until fall

[Gajun]

how long until fall

We prob don't have to wait till fall to try it too. Probably will announce public beta soon I hope

[abgeschmatzt]

give now

[Pendulum_]

Woot, cant wait!

[Grim]

WTH the sniper's voice in TF2 for pudge ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAFdd8dY9eA


Not going to buy DotA after all... ohwait

that linked actually got me hyped

[BubbleZ]

Yea, definitely gonna play it

[McKnight]

Beta will most likely be announced at GamesCom.

[pakoito]

If anything, it's S2 that should be worried. HoN has a serious problem, and that's a fatal lack of a strong central thesis. In the beginning, HoN was marketed to us as the authentic, hardcore DotA experience--DotA with smackdowns and every conceivable kind of stat-tracking (MMR/PSR, KDR, etc.), with matchmaking and a better UI. But somewhere along the line it feels like it stopped being that; maybe the people at S2 saw DotA 2 looming large over the horizon and got scared, or maybe they saw the size of LoL's playerbase and grew jealous. But it's undeniable that HoN's recent changes--casual mode, the clunky new shop interface, the goblin shop, etc.--have been aimed at the kind of casual players that LoL is teeming with.
All while still adding new heroes and items to compensate or stabilize competitive play, competitive mode, ladder... Both kinds of additions are not mutually exclusive.

On the other hand, if they focused on hardcore-only features like league and tournaments people will be less bound to play (only a few have enough time to be a semi-pro), will leave for the "fun and quick" stuff, comp would have less spectators, etc...it's a circle.

[Gizzleby]

Indeed he was. The team he was in lost 90% of the time.

I've only seen wins by teams that had Techies recently, Waga from Drdz plays some superb solo Techies and btw doesn't level up Suicide until lategame.


thats a shame they wont, cuz dota is slow and boring

So you just said HoN is slow and boring because obviously HoN has the same gameplay as DotA.


DOTA2 will have a great player base as said, I'm sure of that. I'm positive they will beat HoN's account sales by far. Many HoN players will play both, most of the DotA players will switch and some LoL players will try it out as well as some totally new players.

[Calcifer]

Voice actor let it slip!

http://www.thegamerstudio.com/index.php/pc-reviews/484-voice-actor-says-dota-2-release-for-autumn-of-this-year-.html

So who among you is going to make the change? Will you still play HoN or is it gonna be exclusively DotA 2? Or going to just leave IceNoob's stuff alone?

[Yukki]

Will play whatever I feel during the time, HoN when I want to play it, DotA2 when I want to play that.. Let's just wait and see what they show us at Gamescom first.

[Qweret]

Actually, if i have to pay around 50$...no chance

I like the way that HoN goes with meta game already more than liked the one of DotA.

Only the Time when vigoss was OP and all bought blink dagger was great!

[Quelsatron]

holy macaroni a cockney accent take all of my money now

[NvZn]

WAHOO

[Orri]

Autumn 2011 - A MOBA without Toolz! Sounds good to me!

[Nemizr]

cu@gamescon?

[BlackClown]

I heard asking people if they are going to a game which doesn't even exist yet is really intelligent.

[LonelyQueen]

my name :3

[DeathCult]

Dota 2 release expected soon! Check Link!!

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/07/20/dota-2-release-date-coming-this-fall-says-voice-actor/?ns_campaign=article-feed&ns_mchannel=ref&ns_source=steam&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0

[CryingGod]

it'll be released when it's released

valve time

[Fuskie]

Coming "THIS FALL" (of 2045)

[haschisch]

i'll never ever play dota2. there are two reasons for this: icefrog and valve.

the main reason is valve though and how they acted towards loyal customers in the past.

[Complaint]

at first, i read the title of this thread, and the title of the article. it says the release dating is coming this fall. as in releasing the release date. and i thought to myself, sweet jesus, why would you do that?

and then i read the article. and realized the title of the article and this thread have an extra word. the word "coming".

dota 2 release date "this fall" says voice actor.

[Silidons]

OP es el retardo

[Lucian01]

Oh nice they merged all the dota threads. OT might be worth reading again

[Broodje]

Lol... This will take a while, thx YA