Honwolf B3 - Day Four

[YawningAngel]

HoNWolf Bastardry Edition - Game 3

Composition:

1 Rampage
1 Empath
1 Chipper
1 Swiftblade
1 Blacksmith
13 Other Legion Heroes
1 Succubus
3 Other Hellbourne Heroes

It is currently Day 2

Player List

`Fluttershy[/s] (KRAKEN)
Inbredmule Confirmed
MichaelBurge Killed Night 1
Emiya Confirmed
LUC3NT
SpaceSavageKilled Day 2 (SUCCUBUS)
ArnoldRimmer Confirmed
Nolifer Confirmed
_ Killed Day 2
Blueflash Confirmed
Octavia
Javu Confirmed
Ryper7 Confirmed
Fidanza
Bwomp (PHARAOH)
Mendel12 Killed Night 1
Flamestick
TheJoo Confirmed
Fuga Killed Day 1
Xauron Confirmed
Fetyukov Confirmed
Yukari Killed Night 2


Vote Tally

9 Votes Required

Mod posts
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=13931804&postcount=290
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=13936855&postcount=291

Roles

Rampage
Aligned with Legion. During the night, Rampage has the ability to declare that he is "CHARGING ****ING <PLAYERNAME>", revealing that player's role at the start of the next day. At the end of that day that player will die unless Rampage is lynched.
Chipper
Aligned with Legion. Every night Chipper has three rockets which can be fired (or not fired) as he wishes. He can fire multiple rockets at one player if he wishes. Players who are hit by a rocket are alerted of this fact, and players hit by multiple rockets are notified of how many rockets they are hit by.
Empath
Aligned with Legion. Every night Empath can cast As One on a player. Any night actions targeted at Empath will instead target that player.
Swiftblade
Aligned with Legion. Twice per game, Swiftblade can chase the slowest (i.e. least active, as measured in posts on the day before) player during the night and use his spin on them, killing them.
Blacksmith
Aligned with Legion. If lynched, the Blacksmith has the ability to cast Fireball on a target. The target will be killed instantly along with the Blacksmith.
Succubus
Aligned with Hellbourne. Only once during the game, at night, Succubus can coerce a single player to Hellbourne. If Succubus attempts to coerce an uncoercable target, that player will learn who the Succubus is. Cannot be coerced to another allegeance. There can be many Succubi.

There are no Saplings or Imps. A player can be any hero of Newerth, but will have no special powers unless stated. This will be for sake of the narrative. All unlisted heroes are aligned with their respective teams as in Heroes of Newerth unless specified otherwise.

Players with no powers may be given the opportunity to defect. If a player defects or is coerced it will be indicated in the narrative explicitly that someone has defected, but not who or what.

Factional Win Conditions

Hellbourne win if they contain at least half the players in the game during the day.
Legion wins if there are no Hellbourne remaining.


Full Rules: http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=13919008&postcount=31

In the event of a contradiction, the rules in this post apply.

[MichaelBurge]

I'm in

Notice that I have not confirmed my role and don't know whether I'm Legion or Hellbourne or not, so voting Mendel12 is not necessarily scummy.

Vote: Mendel12

[AngelBunny]

Still interested.

[Octavia]

Confirm me you smeghead

[Fetyukov]

I'm still in

vote Xauron for having an unfunny quote in his signature.

[Ryper7]

still interested.

[Nolifer]

Ima confirming

[YawningAngel]

It is currently Day 0 - THE GAME HAS NOT YET STARTED

FOURCHAR

[Fuga]

I'm in

[AngelBunny]

I'm still in

vote Xauron for having an unfunny quote in his signature.

The first time I rofl'd on these forums. I would like to remember it :)

[KARTlK]

yeaaah i'll still play sir

[`Fluttershy]

confirmed

[Bwomp]

The Lobster is in!

[YawningAngel]

Vote SpaceSavage

ON FIRE

[Emiya]

I'm here~

[`Fluttershy]

I'm in

Notice that I have not confirmed my role and don't know whether I'm Legion or Hellbourne or not, so voting Mendel12 is not necessarily scummy.

Vote: Mendel12
I support this lynch.

Vote: Mendel12

[FlameStick]

Im here comfirmed!

[Fidanza]

I'm still in

[Blueflash]

I'm in

[ArnoldRimmer]

im here boys :alun:

[Bwomp]

@BlueFlash:
can you do us all a favor and really stop posting this ugly picture?

it bugged me off like hell as well ;)

[Blueflash]

the evil smiley face?

http://vocaroo.com/?media=vFG92h5zCO6T1ait9

[MichaelBurge]

This time Blueflash, it is Michael Burge who will defeat you.

http://images.wikia.com/monsterhunter/images/2/2b/Evil_smile.jpg

[Octavia]

http://i51.tinypic.com/10n9aig.png

[TheJoo]

I am here.

[InbredMule]

I'm in
Sorry to be late, but I thought it was full already =P

[YawningAngel]

Right, enough people are confirmed for us to start. If you haven't already been PM'd, then you are Legion.

[Octavia]

Vote: Smeghead

[FlameStick]

Vote: Smeghead

Red Dwarf ftw :)

[`Fluttershy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwp60eYuie0

[TheJoo]

No narrative?
Yawning, how did you randomise the roles?

[`Fluttershy]

No narrative?
Yawning, how did you randomise the roles?
take note, PR/scum right there

[MichaelBurge]

Mendel12, SpaceSavage, and Luc3nt are Legion then. I say we lynch Devilesk's new account from day 1; nobody likes playing with him, and we don't have any leads so anyone's a good lynch. He was banned for a reason, after all. :blac:

Vote: `Fluttershy

In case of confusion: `Fluttershy is devilesk's spare account.

[YawningAngel]

No narrative?
Yawning, how did you randomise the roles?
Roles were calculated as follows:

Create a table with rows = the number of players and two columns: player name and hero. Order both columns in alphabetical order and then assign each player the role in the same row as them.

Narrative, just for you.

It was a dark and stormy night, where shined a shiny demon. The demon strode purposefully to the edge of the town, cursing and bellowing, and roared its challenge to the skies. Fearfully, the townsfolk filed out, only to see the demon explode in a great fiery pillar, its foul progeny already fleeing into the night. The Legion called upon their greatest heroes to search the town for the intruders, but to no avail: though they combed every catacomb and crevice until the first rays of the morning sun, they found naught. Despondent, they eventually concluded that the Hellbourne must be hiding amongst the Legion themselves. Disheartened but determined, they resolved to hunt the interlopers until their town was clean and pure once more.

[ArnoldRimmer]

So the game has started? update the main page, you horrible horrible mod.

@burge

how do you know that fluttershy is devlisk? Also whats so bad about him, I demand examples. Lastly, bit of a rhetorical here, but how is it pro-town to lynch someone "just cuz"

[LUC3NT]

Vote: Smeghead

[ArnoldRimmer]

you think you're so cool with your cute pikachu signature with his cute lil hat? WELL I GOT NEWS FOR YOU BUB

you kinda are

[LUC3NT]

meow. I forgot to say I'm interested

[InbredMule]

So the game has started? update the main page, you horrible horrible mod.

@burge

how do you know that fluttershy is devlisk? Also whats so bad about him, I demand examples. Lastly, bit of a rhetorical here, but how is it pro-town to lynch someone "just cuz"

A quiet villager is dangerous villager. Ad hominem aside

[ArnoldRimmer]

A quiet villager is dangerous villager. Ad hominem aside

So...whats your point? Devilisk is a lurker?

Also @burge: how would we have leads for a lynch - the game hasn't even really started.


and we don't have any leads so anyone's a good lynch.

seems p. scummy

[YawningAngel]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.urlesque.com/media/2010/05/haterbatman.jpg

[InbredMule]

It means: I think we should kill quiet people.. ALL OF THEM

[MichaelBurge]

So the game has started? update the main page, you horrible horrible mod.

@burge

how do you know that fluttershy is devlisk? Also whats so bad about him, I demand examples. Lastly, bit of a rhetorical here, but how is it pro-town to lynch someone "just cuz"

1.) Successfully lynching someone gives information on voting patterns.
2.) Legion have enough players that a mislynch on day one isn't that dangerous.
3.) At the start of day one, we have no information. This means the only question we can really answer is "Should we lynch someone on day one?"
4.) If you believe we should lynch someone, then the choice is arbitrary without information. You can use anything about the person you like, and feel free to hop bandwagons without consequences.
5.) Since Legion has no information, hesitating to lynch someone when you've decided a lynch is a good idea means that you're probably Hellbourne and so is he.

:moon:

[YawningAngel]

There is in fact no reason at all not to lynch Michael Burge.

[MichaelBurge]

Also @burge: how would we have leads for a lynch - the game hasn't even really started.

Michael Burge doesn't sit on the sidelanes munching popcorn like many other Legion players. He takes charge, and gets things done.

Indeed, in every single Honwolf game except for 1(which I self-destructed as Hellbourne), following Michael Burge has been a good move for any Legion. Statistically, agreeing with Michael Burge is a far better idea than trying to figure things out yourself.


There is in fact no reason at all not to lynch Michael Burge.

Oh you - I was already preemptively answering that not even realizing our moderator is dropping in on the discussion.

[InbredMule]

Vote Smeghead

[Blueflash]

sup burge?

[`Fluttershy]

Mendel12, SpaceSavage, and Luc3nt are Legion then. I say we lynch Devilesk's new account from day 1; nobody likes playing with him, and we don't have any leads so anyone's a good lynch. He was banned for a reason, after all. :blac:

Vote: `Fluttershy

In case of confusion: `Fluttershy is devilesk's spare account.
burge mad i led lynch on him :)

also my suspension on devilesk only lasted two days and has nothing to do with this, it was simply because i accumulated 5 total infractions most of which were long expired and the 5th infraciton was simply posting "tl;dr"

and everyone loves playing with me and i am a great player. i singlehandedly led legion to a near victory last game.

devilesk does not mind being pushed on by burge, but his arguments are surprisingly weak.

[`Fluttershy]

also baddie rimmer buddying me.

[AngelBunny]

Vote `Fluttershy

[`Fluttershy]

Vote `Fluttershy
baddie mad i lynched him last game.

[Nolifer]

Vote `Fluttershy

Lynch this arrogant pony.

[`Fluttershy]

Vote Smeghead

[Emiya]

Vote `Fluttershy

[MichaelBurge]

burge mad i led lynch on him :)

also my suspension on devilesk only lasted two days and has nothing to do with this, it was simply because i accumulated 5 total infractions most of which were long expired and the 5th infraciton was simply posting "tl;dr"

and everyone loves playing with me and i am a great player. i singlehandedly led legion to a near victory last game.

devilesk does not mind being pushed on by burge, but his arguments are surprisingly weak.

Consider previous games where Devilesk would've said "u mad, burge?" or "u maf?" and then sat in silence. :fors:

That he's so much more defensive this game and that the rest of you dislike him so much... is there any reason to leave him alive? :empa:

[ArnoldRimmer]

I just played a mean :vood: aint gonna lie


1.) Successfully lynching someone gives information on voting patterns.
2.) Legion have enough players that a mislynch on day one isn't that dangerous.
3.) At the start of day one, we have no information. This means the only question we can really answer is "Should we lynch someone on day one?"
4.) If you believe we should lynch someone, then the choice is arbitrary without information. You can use anything about the person you like, and feel free to hop bandwagons without consequences.
5.) Since Legion has no information, hesitating to lynch someone when you've decided a lynch is a good idea means that you're probably Hellbourne and so is he.

Yo bra, I've been playing mafia for like 5 years. I'm not gonna get all up in your grill, but you talk like someone who has only played a few games.

The best way to start a game is to ask questions. That is the best way to scumhunt early on. There isn't enough data so you get it by the reactions and answers to your questions.

Anyway, you never really answered my question about devil, I dont know if you were evading it or just never got around to it. Strike one. Flutter didn't deny it so whatever I guess he is devilisk.

[`Fluttershy]

Consider previous games where Devilesk would've said "u mad, burge?" or "u maf?" and then sat in silence. :fors:

That he's so much more defensive this game and that the rest of you dislike him so much... is there any reason to leave him alive? :empa:
consider previous games where i've never been bandwagoned d1. and i did basically call you out already for being mad burge :)

and there's great reason to keep me alive, but that's all i'll say for now :)

[Blueflash]

Ok guys start with your super analysis, i won' t vote till then

[ArnoldRimmer]

consider previous games where i've never been bandwagoned d1. and i did basically call you out already for being mad burge :)

and there's great reason to keep me alive, but that's all i'll say for now :)

umm wat

Vote: `Fluttershy

[InbredMule]

I'm calling Arnold and Burge Hellbourne now. Just sayin'

[Emiya]

Yo bra, I've been playing mafia for like 5 years. I'm not gonna get all up in your grill, but you talk like someone who has only played a few games.

Sounds like scum talk to me.

[ArnoldRimmer]

Sounds like scum talk to me.

Just stating the facts, yup yup


I'm calling Arnold and Burge Hellbourne now. Just sayin'

Why? Because we're the only ones actually saying anything?

[Fuga]

oh god, devilesk.. fluttershy? why god, why http://i.imgur.com/CeXGo.png

Vote michaelburger

[Fetyukov]

vote Fuga

Reatarded vote on Burge is reatarded.

Honestly, why did you vote him?

[ArnoldRimmer]

@Feytu

Why is that vote retarded and other minimalistic 1st votes others have given not retarded enough to mention? Is Burge beyond reproach?

[MichaelBurge]

I just played a mean :vood: aint gonna lie



Yo bra, I've been playing mafia for like 5 years. I'm not gonna get all up in your grill, but you talk like someone who has only played a few games.

The best way to start a game is to ask questions. That is the best way to scumhunt early on. There isn't enough data so you get it by the reactions and answers to your questions. :moon:

Anyway, you never really answered my question about devil, I dont know if you were evading it or just never got around to it. Strike one. Flutter didn't deny it so whatever I guess he is devilisk.

If you haven't played with Devilesk before, my argument wouldn't have convinced you so I didn't follow up with it.


Reatarded vote on Burge is reatarded.

Honestly, why did you vote him?

Careful - Fuga is a known idiot. Some might say he's pretending to be a moron every game so he can do stupid things and not be suspicious, but that sort of planning is far beyond him. :flin:


consider previous games where i've never been bandwagoned d1. and i did basically call you out already for being mad burge

Yeah, let's see how immune you are to day 1 lynches right here and now. :temp:

[Fetyukov]

@Feytu

Why is that vote retarded and other minimalistic 1st votes others have given not retarded enough to mention? Is Burge beyond reproach?

Because it's against a player who has proven every game to either be a terrible hellbourne or an amazing Legion. There wasn't any provocation to this vote (i.e. joining a bandwagon) and the vote was left unexplained.

He's not "beyond reproach", but he certainly sits higher on the "better keep this ****er alive past the first day" than most people in this game, and an unexplained vote on him is a senseless one.

I'm not afraid of voting Burge if there's an actual reason to do so but Fuga has nothing (at least, nothing he's explained).


So I ask him again to explain the vote.

[Blueflash]

bros ye!

[InbredMule]

Why? Because we're the only ones actually saying anything?

Statistically speaking, that's exactly why.

The statement was more a tool than fact. That should be true with all of your posts; legion or hellbourne.

[ArnoldRimmer]

I'm not afraid of voting Burge if there's an actual reason to do so but Fuga has nothing (at least, nothing he's explained).

A question: If Burge was acting really scummy D1, basically saying "HEY IM SCUM LYNCH ME NOW PLZ PLZ PLZ" - Would you do it? Or would you hold off and keep him around just because he isn't boring or a lurker? Are you willing to do whats best for the town (legion) even if it might not be the most exciting course of action? I ask this question because I've played alot of games with people who automatically consider certain players "more worthy" and this leads to a sort of subconscious town-association that can end up being pretty hurtful.

Personally - I'm getting a pretty townie read on Burge. Burges gonna Burge, he hasn't really provoked my scumdar or made any blatant mistakes.

Moving on. Waiting on like 10+ people to post something substantial.

[Fetyukov]

Day1? no. He did that last game, and he was Scout. If there really was some sort of genuine reason to believe that he was HB above all other players than yes, he would have my vote.

[KARTlK]

In previous games hasn't our first lynch always been on inactive/noob players?

Devilesk total pro, why would we kill him.

i guess Vote: nolifer since pretty much everyone but fidanza is someone I recognize and he has the least cool name.

Also sam, under your Composition thing it says "3 Other Hb Heroes" even though under your hero roles it says there can be many succubi. WHICH IS IT. Other implies that it's something different than the other one.

[mendel12]

I'm interested
That aside i scroll down and the first vote i see is for me T.T
Vote Smeghead cause everyone else is :D

[Nolifer]

In previous games hasn't our first lynch always been on inactive/noob players?

Devilesk total pro, why would we kill him.

i guess Vote: nolifer since pretty much everyone but fidanza is someone I recognize and he has the least cool name.

Also sam, under your Composition thing it says "3 Other Hb Heroes" even though under your hero roles it says there can be many succubi. WHICH IS IT. Other implies that it's something different than the other one.
Devilesk total troll*

[`Fluttershy]

Devilesk total pro, why would we kill him.

thx for recognizing my pro skillz.

[Ryper7]

I'm interested
That aside i scroll down and the first vote i see is for me T.T
Vote Smeghead cause everyone else is :D

Bandwagoner alert. Peer pressure always wins, much like emiya last game.

Devilesks playstyle is good for legion, he may be an inactive troll but he doesnt sit around posting bullshit all day and he gets things done. If he breaks too far from his usual style ill keep an eye on him.

Burge seems legion at the moment, no reason for alarm. If he was hb he probably would have self-voted and called out one of his teammates by now.

Not much else to say so far really.

[Yukari]

Vote `Fluttershy
Because my beard is huge

[Octavia]

Everyone who voted for smeghead is suspicious. Obviously the vote does nothing, but people feel obligated to make posts to appear active in the thread. When someone has nothing to say they're more likely Hellbourne than Legion because their primary motive is not to seek out who the Hellbourne are. They're less likely to have something to say, which is why they'd resort to doing something like voting smeghead and not actually contributing anything.

In answer to ArnoldRimmer's question: Yes, I would keep Burge alive beyond the second day absolutely. Why? Because winning is only a secondary motive to me beyond having fun. Burge has an uncanny way of bringing a lot of new things to the table, splitting people into sides and giving Legion a lot of information. He's also terrible at Hellbourne and rather good at Legion, so keeping him alive a few days to ascertain his allegeance would be rather beneficial.

I'd rather have the first day spent removing some useless lurker like devilnoob, Vote: `Fluttershy

[Ryper7]

Pretty much agree on the smeghead thing. It makes mendel12 really suss because he came in complaining about votes on him then threw out the useless vote to make it look like he was doing something. However this behaviour seems typical of newer players (like winterborn pretty much every game).

Also Vote: Emiya

He didnt claim pally this game, something suss must be going on.
I guess id better ask a question to gather reaponses and keep arnold happy. Y u no pally emiya?

[`Fluttershy]

Everyone who voted for smeghead is suspicious. Obviously the vote does nothing, but people feel obligated to make posts to appear active in the thread. When someone has nothing to say they're more likely Hellbourne than Legion because their primary motive is not to seek out who the Hellbourne are. They're less likely to have something to say, which is why they'd resort to doing something like voting smeghead and not actually contributing anything.

In answer to ArnoldRimmer's question: Yes, I would keep Burge alive beyond the second day absolutely. Why? Because winning is only a secondary motive to me beyond having fun. Burge has an uncanny way of bringing a lot of new things to the table, splitting people into sides and giving Legion a lot of information. He's also terrible at Hellbourne and rather good at Legion, so keeping him alive a few days to ascertain his allegeance would be rather beneficial.

I'd rather have the first day spent removing some useless lurker like devilnoob, Vote: `Fluttershy
ya i sure am lurking compared to all the people that haven't even posted yet.

baddies gonna make me claim, zzzzzzz.

[Ryper7]

So many votes on trollilesk that can pretty much come down to:
Troll
Mad
Mad
Jelly
Mad
Bandwagon
Bandwagon
Bandwagon

Has anyone really provided a good reason yet?

Aside from yukaris beard reason, that was quite convincing.

[MichaelBurge]

ya i sure am lurking compared to all the people that haven't even posted yet.

baddies gonna make me claim, zzzzzzz.

Let me guess - Blacksmith? :blac:

[`Fluttershy]

So many votes on trollilesk that can pretty much come down to:
Troll
Mad
Mad
Jelly
Mad
Bandwagon
Bandwagon
Bandwagon

Has anyone really provided a good reason yet?

Aside from yukaris beard reason, that was quite convincing.
they hating on fluttershy too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsf6s-FxrmU

[`Fluttershy]

Let me guess - Blacksmith? :blac:
if i were blacksmith i'd let myself be lynched :)

[Blueflash]

how many votes are on devilesk and how many are need for a lynch?

[`Fluttershy]

how many votes are on devilesk and how many are need for a lynch?
7 by my count. i'm claiming at 9 and then every legion will cry.

[Yukari]

I doubt legion will cry. You claim not to be Blacksmith, Chipper is more or less not even a PR, Rampage is a gimmicky role that doesn't really do any good (rather have a WS) Swiftblade does more harm than good if you plan on killing the least posters and Empath is a lesser jere, except no even if Empath protects someone, a legion player still gets NKd.

[`Fluttershy]

ok i'm useless.

Vote `Fluttershy

let's go baddies, lynch me.

[Blueflash]

ok i'm useless.

Vote `Fluttershy

let's go baddies, lynch me.

Playing some reverse-psychology games eh? devilesk, i however will not be the one to end this, as i see no reason he should be lynched.

[`Fluttershy]

Playing some reverse-psychology games eh? devilesk, i however will not be the one to end this, as i see no reason he should be lynched.
nah, i just don't really care. i'll probably be nk'd tonight anyway for the same reason a bunch of these butthurt baddies are lynching me, cuz i've led lynches on them before and they mad, jelly, trolling, and bandwagoning.

bad town just as bad as last game and devilesk doesn't feel like being their savior anymore.

[`Fluttershy]

Also, unvote `Fluttershy

I've got a better way to kill myself

[Fetyukov]

Devilesk may not be the best player around, but he's remarkably good for not falling for bullshit.

Seriously, he hardly conveys it well but his bull-**** meter is almost always accurate.

I'd rather keep him over many of the other players in this game.

Also, he clearly picked the superior pony for his name.

[`Fluttershy]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.urlesque.com/media/2010/05/haterbatman.jpg

[Yukari]

Devilesk may not be the best player around, but he's remarkably good for not falling for bullshit.

Seriously, he hardly conveys it well but his bull-**** meter is almost always accurate.

I'd rather keep him over many of the other players in this game.

Also, he clearly picked the superior pony for his name.

I'm not sure if you can say he's remarkably good for not falling for bullshit. His play-style reminds me of tabako, eye-ball someone and dive them to hell, legion or not. If he can't convey his reasoning well, it's a random, unchanging standalone vote that doesn't do any good.

[Yukari]

I will however, agree with his choice of pony.

[`Fluttershy]

I'm not sure if you can say he's remarkably good for not falling for bullshit. His play-style reminds me of tabako, eye-ball someone and dive them to hell, legion or not. If he can't convey his reasoning well, it's a random, unchanging standalone vote that doesn't do any good.
no, my play style is troll for the first half of the game and if i'm still alive for the end game then maybe try and reread and win game :)

[`Fluttershy]

and sure eyeballing and dive them to hell may fall under trolling. you guess right and you look like a pro and if you're wrong you were just trolling and possibly live longer for looking like a bad :)

[Emiya]

nah, i just don't really care. i'll probably be nk'd tonight anyway for the same reason a bunch of these butthurt baddies are lynching me, cuz i've led lynches on them before and they mad, jelly, trolling, and bandwagoning.

bad town just as bad as last game and devilesk doesn't feel like being their savior anymore.

why you so sad

I'm kidding I love you devilesk <3

Unvote Fluttershy

just don't try to reason out your playstyle because it's nothing more than erratic

[`Fluttershy]

why you so sad

I'm kidding I love you devilesk <3

Unvote Fluttershy

just don't try to reason out your playstyle because it's nothing more than erratic
Fluttershy is happy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLTZctTG6cE

[Octavia]

Devilesk may not be the best player around, but he's remarkably good for not falling for bullshit.

Seriously, he hardly conveys it well but his bull-**** meter is almost always accurate.

I'd rather keep him over many of the other players in this game.

Also, he clearly picked the superior pony for his name.
You're over-intellectualising this way too much. His play style is making stupid one sentence posts and 'trolling' the game because he's too dumb to play it normally.

[Fetyukov]

You would be right 80% of the time, but occasionally I see a player worth keeping. At least enough that I don't plan on lynching him for "trolling", at least not right now (maybe when there are fewer players).

Don't get me wrong - I don't agree with his playstyle, but I do think that it isn't exactly trolling the whole game.

[MichaelBurge]

Fetyukov: If I could lynch Luc3nt, SpaceSavage, or Mendel12, I would. These are completely worthless human beings for the purposes of our Honwolves game and are better off dead. But YA confirmed they were Legion when he started the game early; I'm not even sure they're in the game. :fors:

However, we've got a really good pool of players this time. Go through and see for yourself that Devilesk is the bottom-of-the-barrel. We still have reasonably decent players like Bwomp, Xauron, Emiya, etc. If you don't want Devilesk dead, who would be a less valuable poster than him who isn't one of the 3 confirmed Legion I mentioned? :chro:

Compare his weird self-votes, his defensive behavior, etc. with his previous behavior of posting one-liner trolls. When he's been a Legion in the past, he hasn't acted like this. :fors:


Playing some reverse-psychology games eh? devilesk, i however will not be the one to end this, as i see no reason he should be lynched.

There isn't any hard reason why. Since it's day 1 and we had no information at the start, you can pick any arbitrary player you like. Vote off Blueflash because he's black if you want, it's a good a choice as any. :empa:

However, we do now have a list of "Smeghead" voters. People like Mendel12 are probably just really bad at this game and a few others might go along with it because it's funny, but there's certainly something suspicious here. Last game I tried to get Roger lynched first day and that didn't go over well at all, yet this game everyone's rushing to lynch him because of a funny name? :empa:

Hellbourne probably has some bad players on it, who need someone like Yukari to bring them into line tonight. Now, here's the list of Smeghead voters: :moon:


Octavia
LUC3NT
InbredMule
`Fluttershy
Mendel12


And oh look, we have Devilesk again. I don't mind lynching InbredMule either, but I'm hesitant to kill LUC3NT because he probably still thought we were in the pre-game. That leaves Mendel12 and Devilesk, and I've already argued why I think Mendel's just a bad player rather than Hellbourne.

Vote: `Fluttershy

[`Fluttershy]

Go through and see for yourself that Devilesk is the bottom-of-the-barrel.
That really hurts, like a dagger straight into my heart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrCn3V_xiYo

[`Fluttershy]

You're over-intellectualising this way too much. His play style is making stupid one sentence posts and 'trolling' the game because he's too dumb to play it normally.
Just because you can't appreciate my playstyle doesn't mean it's bad. You just think you're good because you got lucky last game.

[`Fluttershy]

Burge, Yukari, and Roger are just threatened by my growing power and unconventional play. They want to lynch what they do not understand. And if they are scum they know I will get them killed eventually.

[Fetyukov]

Fetyukov: If I could lynch Luc3nt, SpaceSavage, or Mendel12, I would. These are completely worthless human beings for the purposes of our Honwolves game and are better off dead. But YA confirmed they were Legion when he started the game early; I'm not even sure they're in the game. :fors:

Fuga.

But you're right, the pool of good players is larger than I expected.

How about a compromise? We all know that Devilesk shows enough potential to be an awesome player. Would everyone agree with removing votes from him if he were to tweak his play style to be a little more conventional? Devilesk would you be cool with this?

If Devilesk is totally unwilling to play even the slightest bit more conventionally I'll re-consider my stance on defending him.

[`Fluttershy]

However, we've got a really good pool of players this time. Go through and see for yourself that Devilesk is the bottom-of-the-barrel. We still have reasonably decent players like Bwomp, Xauron, Emiya, etc. If you don't want Devilesk dead, who would be a less valuable poster than him who isn't one of the 3 confirmed Legion I mentioned? :chro:

When I look at the player list all I see are a bunch of bads. A bunch of bads that have lurked, have gotten themselves killed off early in games or have been outlasted and lynched by superior players such as myself. For example, Bwomp, outlasted by devilesk last game and Xauron defeated by devilesk last game. Who else is on that list? Fidanza, the bad NH that got himself outed, smoked witch slayer, and then killed? Flamestick, the bad euro Jeraziah that was useless the entire game and got himself lynched when it mattered most? Ryper7, the one who gets most of the blame for legion's loss last game? SpaceSavage, seemingly scout every game and yet killed off early in every game? ArnoldRimmer, apparently his first game of honmafia? And the rest, so bad they aren't even memorable?

When I imagine being pushed on by Burge, I expect arguments so profound and irrefutable that even as legion I would think I'm Hellbourne and just give up. But what Burge has presented here doesn't even come close to that. All I see is Burge clearly lying and suddenly placing me in the inferior tier when he previously held me in high regard. I just hope this is a test and Burge does not truly believe what he has said.

[`Fluttershy]

Fuga.

But you're right, the pool of good players is larger than I expected.

How about a compromise? We all know that Devilesk shows enough potential to be an awesome player. Would everyone agree with removing votes from him if he were to tweak his play style to be a little more conventional? Devilesk would you be cool with this?

If Devilesk is totally unwilling to play even the slightest bit more conventionally I'll re-consider my stance on defending him.
Entering this game, I was considering "trolling" less and putting more effort earlier into the game, although I'm sure the change in playstyle would be seen as scummy by others.

However, I will offer this. If I survive this day's lynching I will actually follow the discussion and present detailed analysis on all the players in the game. I will enter battle and go head to head against Burge, Yukari, Roger, and whoever else wishes to challenge me. If they think they can beat my analysis then I will accept defeat.

So they can either allow this hasty bandwagon to continue on me and take the easy way out and be seen as cowards, or they can accept my offer and play this game for real.

[Ryper7]

Ryper7, the one who gets most of the blame for legion's loss last game?
That really hurts, like a dagger straight into my heart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrCn3V_xiYo

(i didn't watch the video so i have no idea what it is)

[Ryper7]

also devilesk's playstyle may have been trolly and lurking but it sure as hell worked.

his playstyle worked better than yours last game burge and he nearly won legion the game, so i dont see how this criticism has any ground.

im willing to give him a chance.

and with that its time for some minecraft

[`Fluttershy]

I will being my attack now


Fetyukov: If I could lynch Luc3nt, SpaceSavage, or Mendel12, I would. These are completely worthless human beings for the purposes of our Honwolves game and are better off dead. But YA confirmed they were Legion when he started the game early; I'm not even sure they're in the game. :fors:
Just because YA started the game and didn't label them as confirmed doesn't mean they're not Hellbourne. There's no reason to clear them because of that. Where in the rules does it say that the game will start once all hellbourne have been confirmed present?



Compare his weird self-votes, his defensive behavior, etc. with his previous behavior of posting one-liner trolls. When he's been a Legion in the past, he hasn't acted like this. :fors:
And twice I've been witch slayer. I get bored of playing the same way every game. Sometimes I will put effort into a game, sometimes I won't regardless of what role I get. Sometimes the type of role I get will affect the way I play and sometimes it won't. Just because this is in contrast to your completely pro-town analyze everything every game doesn't mean that players that change playstyles are scum. Sometimes they are tells and sometimes they aren't. And if you're going to cite the past, why not throw in some actual evidence, especially for those that haven't been in previous games. Why should we just take your word for it.



There isn't any hard reason why. Since it's day 1 and we had no information at the start, you can pick any arbitrary player you like. Vote off Blueflash because he's black if you want, it's a good a choice as any. :empa:
That's incredibly racist. I don't think we should allow racism in our mafia games.



However, we do now have a list of "Smeghead" voters. People like Mendel12 are probably just really bad at this game and a few others might go along with it because it's funny, but there's certainly something suspicious here. Last game I tried to get Roger lynched first day and that didn't go over well at all, yet this game everyone's rushing to lynch him because of a funny name? :empa:
Mendel could very well be bad at this game, but that doesn't stop him or anyone else from rolling scum.



Hellbourne probably has some bad players on it, who need someone like Yukari to bring them into line tonight. Now, here's the list of Smeghead voters: :moon:


Octavia
LUC3NT
InbredMule
`Fluttershy
Mendel12


And oh look, we have Devilesk again. I don't mind lynching InbredMule either, but I'm hesitant to kill LUC3NT because he probably still thought we were in the pre-game. That leaves Mendel12 and Devilesk, and I've already argued why I think Mendel's just a bad player rather than Hellbourne.

Vote: `Fluttershy
If Smeghead is Roger, why would he self vote himself?

I doubt LUC3NT is unaware that we're in pregame, considering that the two posts prior to his make it pretty clear the game has started. It is clearly a sheep vote with no reasoning behind it.
And then he posts this shortly after

meow. I forgot to say I'm interested

And you say you don't mind lynching InbredMule, but then you say it's just between me and Mendel and say that you've already argued why Mendel is just a bad player so that just leaves me? How does that follow, Burge. Because to me it seems like it would be left between me and InbredMule. So explain why me over InbredMule.

[InbredMule]

Burge
Fetyukov
Ryper7
Octavia

All bashing on Devilisk, based off of some historical anecdotal evidence. While you guys might have a lot of experiance, I think talking with so much gusto would be dangerous, unless you're hellbourne.. You're grossly out numbered by the other legion (if you even are), and are going to get your asses kicked out quickly.

Just watch yourselves

[Emiya]

Big play by Fluttershy.

It's hard for me to understand this change. We've never really harassed Devilesk day 1 like this before, so naturally we haven't seen such a reaction, but it still doesn't seem to fit. Maybe he's just showing he cares.

To be blunt, I want to lynch fety right now.

[`Fluttershy]

A question: If Burge was acting really scummy D1, basically saying "HEY IM SCUM LYNCH ME NOW PLZ PLZ PLZ" - Would you do it? Or would you hold off and keep him around just because he isn't boring or a lurker? Are you willing to do whats best for the town (legion) even if it might not be the most exciting course of action? I ask this question because I've played alot of games with people who automatically consider certain players "more worthy" and this leads to a sort of subconscious town-association that can end up being pretty hurtful.

Personally - I'm getting a pretty townie read on Burge. Burges gonna Burge, he hasn't really provoked my scumdar or made any blatant mistakes.

Moving on. Waiting on like 10+ people to post something substantial.
It is Burge's meta to always appear as town as possible. If he's playing the way he wants to play, he won't ever provoke your scumdar this game, even if he's scum. The argument for keeping burge alive is that even if he's scum, he will still help town.

The problem is eventually if he's scum, you're gonna have to lynch him somehow. And a scum that's been helping town the whole game is a hard scum to get rid of

Roger explains it well in this post:

Everyone who voted for smeghead is suspicious. Obviously the vote does nothing, but people feel obligated to make posts to appear active in the thread. When someone has nothing to say they're more likely Hellbourne than Legion because their primary motive is not to seek out who the Hellbourne are. They're less likely to have something to say, which is why they'd resort to doing something like voting smeghead and not actually contributing anything.

In answer to ArnoldRimmer's question: Yes, I would keep Burge alive beyond the second day absolutely. Why? Because winning is only a secondary motive to me beyond having fun. Burge has an uncanny way of bringing a lot of new things to the table, splitting people into sides and giving Legion a lot of information. He's also terrible at Hellbourne and rather good at Legion, so keeping him alive a few days to ascertain his allegeance would be rather beneficial.

I'd rather have the first day spent removing some useless lurker like devilnoob, Vote: `Fluttershy

But I disagree with him calling me useless and a lurker. Even in past games I did my job as WS and led votes on scum. If he's going to label me a "lurker" then some of the other players in this game are super lurkers.


In previous games hasn't our first lynch always been on inactive/noob players?

Devilesk total pro, why would we kill him.

i guess Vote: nolifer since pretty much everyone but fidanza is someone I recognize and he has the least cool name.

Also sam, under your Composition thing it says "3 Other Hb Heroes" even though under your hero roles it says there can be many succubi. WHICH IS IT. Other implies that it's something different than the other one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb1ShW3NUME&NR=1

[`Fluttershy]

Big play by Fluttershy.

It's hard for me to understand this change. We've never really harassed Devilesk day 1 like this before, so naturally we haven't seen such a reaction, but it still doesn't seem to fit. Maybe he's just showing he cares.

To be blunt, I want to lynch fety right now.
Burge, Roger, and Yukari have insulted my skill as Legion and I must defend my pride and honor from such attacks. I wouldn't be doing this if I were scum.

And explain why you want to lynch fety.

[Yukari]

Going to sleep, so I'll make my last post of the night.

@Burge, you are wrong. Starting the game without them does not prove their innocence, it may seem so from certain perspectives, but it's possible to argue otherwise.

I'm slightly tempted to retract my vote, but it does strike me odd that devilesk suddenly switched his play-style. Whether it's because he's cornered or he's scum is still up in the air. I'll see what happens in the morning.

good night.

[Octavia]

also devilesk's playstyle may have been trolly and lurking but it sure as hell worked.

his playstyle worked better than yours last game burge and he nearly won legion the game, so i dont see how this criticism has any ground.

If we're measuring the strength of a player's play style on their win ratio, I've won every single game since Vahn began hosting. :legi:

Devilesk has proved time and time again his incapacity to contribute anything to the game and his tendencies to act against both the fun of the game for every player involved and against the goals of the Legion. His little promise means nothing unless he can prove that he is worth not voting.

[Blueflash]

When I look at the player list all I see are a bunch of bads. A bunch of bads that have lurked, have gotten themselves killed off early in games or have been outlasted and lynched by superior players such as myself. For example, Bwomp, outlasted by devilesk last game and Xauron defeated by devilesk last game. Who else is on that list? Fidanza, the bad NH that got himself outed, smoked witch slayer, and then killed? Flamestick, the bad euro Jeraziah that was useless the entire game and got himself lynched when it mattered most? Ryper7, the one who gets most of the blame for legion's loss last game? SpaceSavage, seemingly scout every game and yet killed off early in every game? ArnoldRimmer, apparently his first game of honmafia? And the rest, so bad they aren't even memorable?

When I imagine being pushed on by Burge, I expect arguments so profound and irrefutable that even as legion I would think I'm Hellbourne and just give up. But what Burge has presented here doesn't even come close to that. All I see is Burge clearly lying and suddenly placing me in the inferior tier when he previously held me in high regard. I just hope this is a test and Burge does not truly believe what he has said.

I'm quite hurt by this sir.

Vote 'Fluttershy Refrain from ostracrizing comments in the future

[`Fluttershy]

Devilesk has proved time and time again his incapacity to contribute anything to the game and his tendencies to act against both the fun of the game for every player involved and against the goals of the Legion. His little promise means nothing unless he can prove that he is worth not voting.
Contribute nothing to the game? So I guess my votes that have won every game except the last game have been meaningless? And even last game where I singlehandedly pushed on Xauron in a situation where if cult wasn't lynched they'd win? Yea, I sure haven't contributed anything in these games. ;)

Are you trying to say I'm the most worthless player in this game? Let's see you compare me to each player in this game then. I'm more worthless than LUC3NT who has posted twice and said basically nothing? SpaceSavage who hasn't even posted? Mendel12 and ArnoldRimmer, who haven't played a game yet compared to my overall record of success? Javu, who you'd only know is in this game because it says confirmed next to his name, but who has otherwise done nothing else? I'm sure any legion player can see that I've contributed much more than the majority of the players in this game.

And suppose you're right and I contribute nothing to the game. Does that make me scum? If you're going to say I've contributed nothing in every other game I've played then you'd be lynching a legion player every time.

And saying I act against the fun of the game seems like you're just butthurt over what happened last game. Already people have disagreed with your opinion.

[InbredMule]

Going to bed

All I know is that devil is fun in minecraft :D

Unvote Smeghead

We'll see what happens tomorrow

[Blueflash]

all i see here is mad and counter-mad, nothing special here

Unvote Fluttershy (i have no idea how to typre that symbol before the f)

[Octavia]

Contribute nothing to the game? So I guess my votes that have won every game except the last game have been meaningless? And even last game where I singlehandedly pushed on Xauron in a situation where if cult wasn't lynched they'd win? Yea, I sure haven't contributed anything in these games. ;)

Are you trying to say I'm the most worthless player in this game? Let's see you compare me to each player in this game then. I'm more worthless than LUC3NT who has posted twice and said basically nothing? SpaceSavage who hasn't even posted? Mendel12 and ArnoldRimmer, who haven't played a game yet compared to my overall record of success? Javu, who you'd only know is in this game because it says confirmed next to his name, but who has otherwise done nothing else? I'm sure any legion player can see that I've contributed much more than the majority of the players in this game.

And suppose you're right and I contribute nothing to the game. Does that make me scum? If you're going to say I've contributed nothing in every other game I've played then you'd be lynching a legion player every time.

And saying I act against the fun of the game seems like you're just butthurt over what happened last game. Already people have disagreed with your opinion.Why would I be butthurt over last game? I got your friend lynched with 2 posts and swindled a game versus 3 cleared Legion players. I'm quite pleased with last game actually. :pyro:

[`Fluttershy]

I'm quite hurt by this sir.

Vote 'Fluttershy Refrain from ostracrizing comments in the future
You've previously said that you see no reason for me to be lynched.

Playing some reverse-psychology games eh? devilesk, i however will not be the one to end this, as i see no reason he should be lynched.

And now you're voting me, and I'm assuming your reason is the red part of my post you've highlighted. So that means you're voting me because I've possibly labeled you as a bad player that isn't memorable.

Well I guess I'm half wrong, because you've made yourself memorable to me. But you're bad because you're apparently voting me not because you've given any reason that you think I'm scum, but because you're basically feeling insulted.

So if you insist on keeping your vote that way, then you deserve to be lumped in with the bads, because all you've shown is that you can bandwagon and vote someone because you're mad.

[`Fluttershy]

all i see here is mad and counter-mad, nothing special here

Unvote Fluttershy (i have no idea how to typre that symbol before the f)
A wise choice.

[InbredMule]

A wise choice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg9R1G8BbQg

[`Fluttershy]

Why would I be butthurt over last game? I got your friend lynched with 2 posts and swindled a game versus 3 cleared Legion players. I'm quite pleased with last game actually. :pyro:
So I see your strategy is to ask me an irrelevant question tangentially related to my post and completely ignore all the important questions and arguments I've made.

And clearly Flamestick wasn't my friend or I wouldn't have lynched him. I'm pleased with last game as well though, because my success to effort ratio was very high.

[`Fluttershy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg9R1G8BbQg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4vAX_sghY

[`Fluttershy]

Going to sleep, so I'll make my last post of the night.

@Burge, you are wrong. Starting the game without them does not prove their innocence, it may seem so from certain perspectives, but it's possible to argue otherwise.
I argued this point first.



I'm slightly tempted to retract my vote, but it does strike me odd that devilesk suddenly switched his play-style. Whether it's because he's cornered or he's scum is still up in the air. I'll see what happens in the morning.
Basically a reiteration of what Emiya said.

I'll hope for something more original from Yukari in the future.

[Octavia]

So I see your strategy is to ask me an irrelevant question tangentially related to my post and completely ignore all the important questions and arguments I've made.

And clearly Flamestick wasn't my friend or I wouldn't have lynched him. I'm pleased with last game as well though, because my success to effort ratio was very high.
I'm being purposefully obviously evasive because I've been convinced to keep you alive since the first response you gave to the bandwagon. I just felt like seeing if you'd crack into your troll mode under pressure before naively expecting you to bring a new persona with this new visage.

Unvote.

[`Fluttershy]

Unconfirmed
LUC3NT - has made two posts so far, sheeped smeghead and says he forgot to say he's interested, whatever that means
SpaceSavage - has played in a few games, seems to be killed early in games, and has yet to make an appearance in this game
Mendel12 - in signup thread says "First time playing on these forums", it must be cleared up whether he has any mafia experience at all
An argument has been made that these 3 are legion. I disagree and argue that being unconfirmed tells us nothing about their allegiance.


Defenders of Fluttershy
Ryper7
Fetyukov
Emiya
Blueflash
Inbredmule
_
These players have resisted the easy opportunity to bandwagon me. Either they have shown good sense early on, or are scum avoiding the obvious bandwagon.
I will look at the small sample of posts they have made later, but for now I am not considering them as day 1 lynch candidates

Big 3
Yukari
MichaelBurge
Octavia
I consider these 3 to be the best players in the game and they have all pushed on me so far. I don't consider them lynch candidates for today.
However, I will think Roger and Burge's performances have been better than Yukari's.

Sheep and lurkers
ArnoldRimmer, seemed against the bandwagon on me, but then ended up joining it
Nolifer, bandwagoned me
Xauron, bandwagoned me
TheJoo, a confirm post and one post asking how roles were randomized
Fuga, voted burge
Flamestick, one irrelevant post and a confim post
Bwomp, posted irrelevant stuff but no vote
Fidanza only post is a confirm post
Javu, hasn't posted
This, along with the unconfirmed group, is where the day 1 lynch should be chosen from.
So far also represent the least amount of posts, which is a problem as most of them are probably just bad lurking town, the exception being Rimmer who has made a few more posts than the rest.

Fluttershy demands that ArnoldRimmer, Nolifer, Xauron, TheJoo, Fuga, Flamestick, Bwomp, Fidanza, and Javu all make several posts.
To facilitate this process, I have used random.org to give me a number between 1 and 9. The number is 4 which corresponds to TheJoo.

[KARTlK]

As long as everyone knows burge is scummy and we aren't voting for him because he's definitely a lot of fun to have in this game then that's OK with me.

Also octavia seems so scummy too. But they both can't be scum. Town has no chance D: I pray that I am wrong.

Fet seems scummy but he's posted like 40 times already and I'm sure if this was different than what he usually does someone would've pointed it out by now (never played a game with you sir).

But my vote stays for now. Nolifer seems towny but too soon to tell.

Edit: Sure OK just say devilnoobs post.

Unvote nolifer. Vote: TheJoo

I was gonna anyway but I figured my real life hatred for the jewish race would show too strongly.

[`Fluttershy]

Also, who here is and isn't a brony?

[TheJoo]

Sorry guys, I was asleep. Game started at a shitty time for me.
Fetyukov, IMO, is the most obviously Legion player here. Protecting a Hellbourne teammate with that many votes is far too dangerous. I think Fetyukov would probably be a target for coercing tomorrow, with his legionness.

Devilesk. The only thing I wonder is that he changed his style after his troll style was somewhat working.

_ - he voted me in a previous game for the same reason, and if I remember correctly he was Hellbourne that game. People throw random votes on day 1, though. I expect he wanted to see my reaction.

Yukari- in the sidelines. Take it from B1, where he was quite inactive on Day 1 and was Hellbourne. I don't think he would make the same mistake twice, however. I think he's a legion PR.

Going to look through the posts more and choose my vote.

[`Fluttershy]

Devilesk. The only thing I wonder is that he changed his style after his troll style was somewhat working.

7 day 1 votes on me is not really working. I'll go back to troll style if you guys don't bandwagon me again :)

[TheJoo]

My vote will be going on InbredMule

Firstly, he says he wants to kill "the quiet people". He then votes smeghead on a bandwagon. He lurks for 3 pages then posts, removing his vote on smeghead since the vote obviously wasn't going through, and the goes afk again. It seems that he wants to avoid suspicion as much as possible.

[Octavia]

Also, who here is and isn't a brony?
Everyone is a brony, they just don't know it yet. :ramp:

[TheJoo]

Hmm, I guess devilesk. An analytical rather than trolling style is of course better.

[InbredMule]

Hmm, I guess devilesk. An analytical rather than trolling style is of course better.

Scumbag Joo:
Calls you out for 3page Lurk
http://wtfhub.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/scumbag-steve-template.jpg
Lurks 7 pages (133% more)

Going back to sleep now.

[TheJoo]

I was asleep. You were not.
Far too defensive.

[Fidanza]

I just got home from an evening out for a buddies birthday, its 4am and i read 4 pages of new stuff since I've been home. I will be posting a response when i wake up.

[Fuga]

I'll take up your mantle.

unvote Michael, vote Arnoldrimmer

[Ryper7]

Burge
Fetyukov
Ryper7
Octavia

All bashing on Devilisk, based off of some historical anecdotal evidence. While you guys might have a lot of experiance, I think talking with so much gusto would be dangerous, unless you're hellbourne.. You're grossly out numbered by the other legion (if you even are), and are going to get your asses kicked out quickly.

Just watch yourselves

Im not bashing on devilesk, ive always enjoyed devilesks trollolol style of play.

[Javu]

vote: Inbredmule
Also there are a plethora of terrible players including myself that are better day 1 lynches than devilesk

[Bwomp]

ummm...


dumb question but: has the actual game startet yet!?!?

if yes i've definitally missed something.
i thought this would be the usual trashtalk before the actual game. i waited for somekind of: GO!
or a beginning narrative.

sorry for that.

going to read all this crap now (Y U POST SO MUCH CRAP EVERYBODY?)

[Bwomp]

oh god, devilesk.. fluttershy? why god, why http://i.imgur.com/CeXGo.png

Vote michaelburger



ARGHHHH.
i'm just at page 4, and i have to do my standart vote again:

VOTE FUGA!

it just doesnt help it having him in the team.

he doesnt even "tank" nightkill attempts cause no HB team will target him.

as far as i dont see any better targets the vote'll last here.:legi:

[Nolifer]

As long as everyone knows burge is scummy and we aren't voting for him because he's definitely a lot of fun to have in this game then that's OK with me.

Also octavia seems so scummy too. But they both can't be scum. Town has no chance D: I pray that I am wrong.

Fet seems scummy but he's posted like 40 times already and I'm sure if this was different than what he usually does someone would've pointed it out by now (never played a game with you sir).

But my vote stays for now. Nolifer seems towny but too soon to tell.

Edit: Sure OK just say devilnoobs post.

Unvote nolifer. Vote: TheJoo

I was gonna anyway but I figured my real life hatred for the jewish race would show too strongly.
Why do the ones that actually post stuff seem scummy to you.
You're saying I seem towny when I've barely posted anything of substance, let alone anything towny.

Sounds to me like you're just starting to put fuel for the big players to be lynched later in the game.

You were gonna vote TheJoo anyway before he got pressured by someone else? Why? Because his name wasn't funny?


Can't vote brony devilesk, but really, I'm fine with this type of devilesk.
Unvote `Fluttershy

[Blueflash]

Brony here, Fluttershy and Rainbowdash <3

[Nolifer]

Fluttershy becomes everyone's favourite in the end.

[Blueflash]

Vote Ryper7
I have no intention of losing this time around.

Wait! Unvote ryper7

Vote - my scum meter aka my boner is reacting to him, i was right about nolifer last time, i am definitely right this time.

[Nolifer]

Blueflash, unless that's a "smeghead vote", I think you mean vote _.

[Blueflash]

Yeah damnit, Vote _.

[SpaceSavage]

Ok i am here now, whoops I am sorry for my (lurking) terribleness of not seeing the game had started. For now I have seen a bunch of votes on fluttershy' which are starting to be un-voted due to his actions. Now flutter could either be a desperate hellbourne or a stronger legion power role. I currently have no idea which one he is and so don't think I shall be voting him to be lynched yet.

form what I have seen at the moment _ seems to be attacking the highest poster and trying to make them sound scummy, to me considering he has little to no evidence think that currently i think _ should go

vote _

[SpaceSavage]

and dear god that last sentence made no sense what so ever.

[Nolifer]

I'm currently thinking that I think Underscore should be allowed some hours to answer my questions to him.

[ArnoldRimmer]

For those who dont understand, smeghead = ArnoldRimmer. They are one in the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Rimmer - Look under nicknames. It is interesting. I wonder how many people voted Smeghead who weren't actually Dwarfers and just bandwagoners. LUC3NT started it so we can assume he knows what he's talking about and isn't a wagoner.


Sheep and lurkers
ArnoldRimmer, seemed against the bandwagon on me, but then ended up joining it

How the **** am I a sheep OR lurker OR a bandwagoner? You said some retarded scummy crap so I voted for you. "HURR THERE ARE SPECIAL REASONS TO KEEP ME AROUND" So I voted for you. I thought that was obvious by the bolded quote.



All bashing on Devilisk, based off of some historical anecdotal evidence. While you guys might have a lot of experiance, I think talking with so much gusto would be dangerous, unless you're hellbourne.. You're grossly out numbered by the other legion (if you even are), and are going to get your asses kicked out quickly.

Just watch yourselves

But hasn't Devilisk earned that bashing? You cant just write off his playstyle as "just trolling" or he'll never get better. Inbred has done nothing but wag her pretty little hipster finger all game. No substance, just a whole bunch of shotgun suspicion.

Unvote
Vote: InbredMule

[Nolifer]

Flamestick, give us your insight before swiftblade bloodlusts you.

[Blueflash]

herp


This is a useless post so sb won't kill me

[Octavia]

For those who dont understand, smeghead = ArnoldRimmer. They are one in the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Rimmer - Look under nicknames. It is interesting. I wonder how many people voted Smeghead who weren't actually Dwarfers and just bandwagoners. LUC3NT started it so we can assume he knows what he's talking about and isn't a wagoner.

Smeghead was a dummy vote, at least when I did it it was. I actually didn't notice your name was what it is, how silly of me. :arma:

[MichaelBurge]

Burge
Fetyukov
Ryper7
Octavia

All bashing on Devilisk, based off of some historical anecdotal evidence. While you guys might have a lot of experiance, I think talking with so much gusto would be dangerous, unless you're hellbourne.. You're grossly out numbered by the other legion (if you even are), and are going to get your asses kicked out quickly.

Just watch yourselves

Target #2: InbredMule


This is a useless post so sb won't kill me

This highlights an important fact: Unlike previous games, it's not beneficial to be inactive posting once every 3 days to avoid being modkilled. This means Hellbourne will instead take to posting useless junk and trying to appear on the sidelines. :fors:

InbredMule has posted some pictures and Youtube videos, but not much of substance. The perfect candidate to be kicked for avoiding AFK-detection. As Yukari knows, this is a bannable offense so I expect a follow-up kick vote from him too as well. :empa:

[Octavia]

On that note I suggest Swiftblade kills every night.

[MichaelBurge]

Smeghead was a dummy vote, at least when I did it it was. I actually didn't notice your name was what it is, how silly of me.

I thought Roger called YawningAngel a "smeghead", so YA labelled Roger with the title and redirected all votes on "smeghead" to Roger? :hamm:

[Octavia]

Regardless, I don't think nicknamed votes should be counted as votes.

[YawningAngel]

I want to see my pony icon.

[YawningAngel]

Serious points:
1. I was just tallying votes for "Smeghead", I haven't actually decided who that is
2. Swiftblade can only use his ability twice in the game.

[MichaelBurge]

I want to see my pony icon.

It looks like it's scheming, insidiously. :valk:

[Octavia]

2. Swiftblade can only use his ability twice in the game.
In that case Swiftblade should use it on the first two nights.

[ArnoldRimmer]

Vacuous post:

Wow thats a nice pony icon if I do say so myself.

Is anyone else trying to learn Burge's language of hero icons?

[YawningAngel]

He provides a bleeding reference for it, what's to learn? :scou:

[Bwomp]

-> if swiftblade is the lowest poster, can he commit suicide? oÔ


then: i dont think that we can assume from someone who hasnt participated in any of the previous games, that this crap posting is intended to JUST ESCAPE from a Swiftblade kill.


and @devilesk: its not your great skill that saved you and killed me last game, but the damn white card that fetyukov decided to give you. if it wasnt for that you would have died SO terrible.

[Octavia]

Vacuous post:

Wow thats a nice pony icon if I do say so myself.
It only took me giving him about 15 of them to choose from before he finally picked one he liked. Look at my [Poni] recruitment thread, there's an extremely disproportionate amount of Trixie icons in there now. :noma:

Is anyone else trying to learn Burge's language of hero icons?
It's quite intuitive really, but you can just make it up as you go along anyway. :scou:

[ArnoldRimmer]

He provides a bleeding reference for it, what's to learn? :scou:

Well you gotta check the list. I bet only Burge has them all memorized. :bloo:

[Blueflash]

When i became a man, i put away childish things, like the wish to become an adult.


come on guys vote _ trust my intuition.

[YawningAngel]

Well you gotta check the list. I bet only Burge has them all memorized. :bloo:
Son, I am :balp:

[TheJoo]

Blueflash, on my list you're a decent player but by no means influential. I'm not going to trust your intuition.I've already stated my opinion on _ anyway. He did the same thing a few games ago, voting me just because of my name. It's nothing new. He may have been Hellbourne last time, but he's not going to make the same mistake twice.

[InbredMule]

I wish the night was over. I can already tell how this is going to work out(Maybe not). It would be fun to participate with more active players, but it's hard to wanna be active when we have so many pages bashing Devilisk. You guys talk about substance, but there isn't any of your own. Even if your statements about him are true, you only have one or two good points. There is a bunch of nonsense in this thread, and people like Burge thrive on that kind of pseudo-crafted logic. Good for him I guess =p

[SpaceSavage]

That is an amazing pony icon + sig

[MichaelBurge]

I wish the night was over. I can already tell how this is going to work out(Maybe not). It would be fun to participate with more active players, but it's hard to wanna be active when we have so many pages bashing Devilisk. You guys talk about substance, but there isn't any of your own. Even if your statements about him are true, you only have one or two good points. There is a bunch of nonsense in this thread, and people like Burge thrive on that kind of pseudo-crafted logic. Good for him I guess =p


Game 2: Zwai reveals the entire Hellbourne team in his mighty list. The big trouble is in convincing the rest of the Legion that he is right.

Whose logic is pseudo-crafted now, scumbag? :flin:

[MichaelBurge]

Vote: InbredMule

[Bwomp]

well. Burge's plans usually tend to work.

ahhh yes and btw:

-> unvote Fuga

-> vote Bwomp

[Octavia]

I wish the night was over. I can already tell how this is going to work out(Maybe not). It would be fun to participate with more active players, but it's hard to wanna be active when we have so many pages bashing Devilisk. You guys talk about substance, but there isn't any of your own. Even if your statements about him are true, you only have one or two good points. There is a bunch of nonsense in this thread, and people like Burge thrive on that kind of pseudo-crafted logic. Good for him I guess =p
Calm down Sherlock, it ain't time to bring out the magnifying glass yet. It's Day 1, the amount of information you can get at this point is limited to harassing insecure inferiors like you and devilesk. :nigh:

[Bwomp]

Game 2: Zwai reveals the entire Hellbourne team in his mighty list. The big trouble is in convincing the rest of the Legion that he is right.


just out of curiosity:
who is "zwai"?

wanted to ask last game but somehow i forgot

[Octavia]

Consider each day in the game a stage in the game. Similar to the model of learning, each day requires a different approach.

Day 1: Extraction
Here we are identifying our new environment and collecting whatever information we can find for later use.

Day 2: Assimilation
With a lynch and a night gone past, some connections and models can be made to string together information gathered in the first day. Additional extraction can be used but is more primitive to action, since by this point real conclusion can be made

Day 3: Refinement
There is a lot of information in the field and enough time to process it. Models created in assimilation can be connected to make a web of facts that emulate the reasoning behind actions and events that have occurred. Diligent people at this point will have a good understanding of the world and how to approach it.

Day 4: More refinement
et cetera, et cetera

[Fetyukov]

I go to sleep and wake up with 4 more pages, that is awesome. Here are some quotes I picked up and would like to address initially.


However, I will offer this. If I survive this day's lynching I will actually follow the discussion and present detailed analysis on all the players in the game. I will enter battle and go head to head against Burge, Yukari, Roger, and whoever else wishes to challenge me. If they think they can beat my analysis then I will accept defeat.
-Devilesk

Sounds fair to me, isn't that what we all wanted from him? There's no reason to vote him for "troll" anymore, but it seems most people have realised this.


(list of players including myself) All bashing on Devilisk, based off of some historical anecdotal evidence. While you guys might have a lot of experiance, I think talking with so much gusto would be dangerous, unless you're hellbourne.. You're grossly out numbered by the other legion (if you even are), and are going to get your asses kicked out quickly.
-InbredMule

Way to read, I've actually been defending Devilesk this whole game.


Also, who here is and isn't a brony?
-Devilesk

Fluttershy>RainbowDash>Rarity>PinkiePie>TwilightSparkle>AppleJack


Fet seems scummy but he's posted like 40 times already and I'm sure if this was different than what he usually does someone would've pointed it out by now (never played a game with you sir).
-_

I normally post a ridiculous amount over 1-2 pages, then go to sleep/go to my GF's house, Legion or Hellbourne.




I'll take up your mantle.

unvote Michael, vote Arnoldrimmer

-Fuga

FUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAA you have to actually EXPLAIN when you vote for people. To me this is unacceptable.



I wish the night was over. I can already tell how this is going to work out(Maybe not). It would be fun to participate with more active players, but it's hard to wanna be active when we have so many pages bashing Devilisk. You guys talk about substance, but there isn't any of your own. Even if your statements about him are true, you only have one or two good points. There is a bunch of nonsense in this thread, and people like Burge thrive on that kind of pseudo-crafted logic. Good for him I guess =p
-InbredMule

... What did he just say? Seriously?

I'm still voting for Fuga but keeping my eye on Mule. He's already rubbed me the wrong way twice in this game...

[InbredMule]

I had something to say, but now i'd rather not.

[SpaceSavage]

well. Burge's plans usually tend to work.

ahhh yes and btw:

-> unvote Fuga

-> vote Bwomp

Seriously that just looks scummy and served no purpose whatsoever

meh I still think _ has proven himself either hellbourne or not worth having

[Fuga]

What the **** is wrong with you guys?

[Fuga]

unvote Arnold

[SpaceSavage]

What the **** is wrong with you guys?

care to elaborate on this point?

[Fuga]

vote Yukari

[InbredMule]

-InbredMule

... What did he just say? Seriously?


Being busy does not always mean real work. The object of all work is production or accomplishment and to either of these ends there must be forethought, system, planning, intelligence, and honest purpose, as well as perspiration. Seeming to do is not doing. How can I make it anymore clear?

[SpaceSavage]

vote Yukari


unvote _

vote fuga

Fuga seriously first a quick vote on burge, and now on yukari another strong player who is currently worth keeping?

[Octavia]

Trim the fat -- Vote: Fuga

[Fuga]

A post.

[InbredMule]

Vote: Fuga

[Bwomp]

=> unvote Bwomp

=> vote InbredMule

=> too jumpy imo (just as Fuga)
why, "hold back information"? this leads us to NOWHERE at all. If you got something to say, do it!

right now all you've been doing is complaining about how inproductive our playstyle is. If this would be true how comes you dont speak up with ur thoughts. as long as they are more productive then Fuga's random vote casts i'm glady listening to them, but as long as that doesnt happen, my vote'll be on you.

[InbredMule]

=> unvote Bwomp

=> vote InbredMule

=> too jumpy imo (just as Fuga)
why, "hold back information"? this leads us to NOWHERE at all. If you got something to say, do it!

right now all you've been doing is complaining about how inproductive our playstyle is. If this would be true how comes you dont speak up with ur thoughts. as long as they are more productive then Fuga's random vote casts i'm glady listening to them, but as long as that doesnt happen, my vote'll be on you.


Ok, let me start by saying that this is my first game, obviously.

I'm not holding anything back, and i'm not bashing your style. I simply don't understand the logic behind people's decisions. Maybe that comes from inexperiance in this particular game.

If you mean the edit, I was just posting another meme, but felt like that would only make me seem like an even weaker player.

[Fuga]

Too slow.
unvote yukari

[Javu]

Yo Inbredmule your not allowed to edit posts at all.
Also Bwomp why did you vote yourself?
I highly doubt you have a well thought out plan like burge would

[Bwomp]

I had something to say, but now i'd rather not.

i was referring to the message itself.
what is this you wanted to say us? oO:myrm:

[Bwomp]

Why did i vote myself?
obviously i got bored of getting HB three times in a row...

think about that!

[InbredMule]

i was referring to the message itself.
what is this you wanted to say us? oO:myrm:

I was just quoting Burge's vote with an "oh you"

[Ryper7]

it would be really nice if fuga could explain his actions.


Vote Ryper7
I have no intention of losing this time around.http://images.wikia.com/monsterhunter/images/2/2b/Evil_smile.jpg

[Blueflash]

Unvote _.

Vote fuga

it may seem i'm bandwagoning here,but i have my reasons.

[Ryper7]

Why did i vote myself?
obviously i got bored of getting HB three times in a row...

think about that!
scumslip?

also you lied, you got beast horde last game, bwomp clearly cannot be trusted, hes already started telling lies.

[Ryper7]

Unvote _.

Vote fuga

it may seem i'm bandwagoning here,but i have my reasons.
please quote said reasons

[Nolifer]

Vote Bwomp

[Nolifer]

Bwomp self-votes and makes as scummy posts as possible. This doesn't favor the legion team if he's legion, only if he was hb would he benefit from the confusion this wifom brings about.

Lynch him.

[Javu]

wow HB got Inbredmule AND Bwomp? Poor hb don't stand a chance

[MichaelBurge]

Vote: InbredMule

We get more information from lynching Inbred compared to Fuga. Fuga's dumb enough his own Hellbourne team would leave him to rot outside; Inbred's just inexperienced.

[Fetyukov]

Just a note of fairness: I'd rather lynch someone who'd played before than someone who hasn't. I will still vote for Mule, don't get me wrong (he's #2 on my list) but at least he attempts at logic, whereas Fuga does not.

[Fidanza]

@ Fuga, you've been jumping around alot with your votes, from Burge to Arnold to Yukari and now an unvote? make up your mind. Whats your reasoning? Also why is your longest post only 8 words long? seems scummy to me.

Vote Fuga

[InbredMule]

Vote: InbredMule

We get more information from lynching Inbred compared to Fuga. Fuga's dumb enough his own Hellbourne team would leave him to rot outside; Inbred's just inexperienced.

You don't gain anything by lynching me. All you allow is the hellbourne to mez someone else, further diminishing the legion numbers.

[MichaelBurge]

Bwomp self-votes and makes as scummy posts as possible. This doesn't favor the legion team if he's legion, only if he was hb would he benefit from the confusion this wifom brings about.

Lynch him.

It favors Blacksmith if he's Blacksmith, though. :blac:

[MichaelBurge]

Vote: Fuga

Even if I think InbredMule's Hellbourne, new players tend to set off my radar more than usual. Nobody likes Fuga either, so why not lynch him?

[`Fluttershy]

I'm tempted to say Fuga seems to be playing as I did in previous games. So far he's voted and unvoted Burge, voted and unvoted Rimmer, and voted and unvoted Yukari. To me, it doesn't seem like he has seriously tried to get any of them lynched and seems to just be trying to extract information. However, I'm not impressed by the few one liners he has posted so far.

I like the way InbredMule is playing more though. At this point I can't say whether either of them are particularly scummy. Inbred has been giving us a lot of information though and if he continues this then we'll be able to tell whether he's legion or scum.

What we need to do is grill the rest of the players in the game as we have been attacking Fuga and Inbred. I'm not content to just set my sights on these two while we allow many other players to go unchallenged and unnoticed.

[`Fluttershy]

Looking back at the last honmafia game Fuga was also the day1 lynch there too, which explains why I think of him as a bad player that doesn't really give much to town anyway.

[Fuga]

A post.

[`Fluttershy]

Oh god I looked back at Fuga's posts in the last game and he's pretty awful. Made 6 posts before getting lynched, first votes Burge then ends up voting Yukari. He seems consistent though from last game to this game... consistently bad.

We can easily get rid of him because as a player he's absolutely worthless. I wouldn't mind that, but I still want more info from everyone else.

Using our lynch on an easy scrub like Fuga is just making it too easy for HB.

[Fuga]

Vote Bwomp

[`Fluttershy]

If anything he seems to be softclaiming blacksmith (although I think someone else has softclaimed that), his "a post" posts are almost beyond simple trolling. Based on my experience, complete **** players and trolls tend to be legion, e.g. Izual.

And let's say he is blacksmith, do we trust him to take an HB with him?

[LUC3NT]

this is fun

[`Fluttershy]

this is fun
****ing baddie.

Vote LUC3NT

[MichaelBurge]

Vote: LUC3NT

Scumbag.

[Blueflash]

it would be really nice if fuga could explain his actions.

http://images.wikia.com/monsterhunter/images/2/2b/Evil_smile.jpg

Dont copy my stock photo damnit

[ArnoldRimmer]

Does pikachu guy have anything to contribute or no

?

[Yukari]

The first time I see that 10 pages have been generated since I went to sleep.

Since devilesk is actually making posts this game, I got nothing against him.

Unvote: `Fluttershy

Oh and aside from devilesk here, there are 3 players who are not showing their scumtell and one that is slightly showing it. Not worth pursuing yet, but I'll see what happens when I come back tonight.

[Blueflash]

Ryper7 is giving off a strong scum scent, expect me to be Nked soon.

[Fidanza]

this is fun

It is fun isn't it. Doesn't make your post relevant to anything though. You may be new to this, but posting random crap like this is a good way to get lynched d1.

@ Luc3nt, Why shouldn't we just lynch you first?

[Fuga]

okay okay

[`Fluttershy]

The first time I see that 10 pages have been generated since I went to sleep.

Since devilesk is actually making posts this game, I got nothing against him.

Unvote: `Fluttershy

Oh and aside from devilesk here, there are 3 players who are not showing their scumtell and one that is slightly showing it. Not worth pursuing yet, but I'll see what happens when I come back tonight.
I've never been scum yet so I can't have a scumtell :)

[Emiya]

Fety's hard white-knighting reminds me of last time he was HB. I know we're not going to be able to lynch him today, but I'd pay attention to him.

Fuga is obviously making posts so he can't get hit by SB, his intent is not to kill someone off.

[Yukari]

I've never been scum yet so I can't have a scumtell :)

While it's true that you've never been scum, there's a few things to note about you

When you have a PR like WS, you tend to not post very much
When you are legion with no PR, you tend to call votes without explanations and QQ when people don't vote with you
Your current playstyle is out of the "ordinary" and to me that's something to note.

[SpaceSavage]

this is fun

So, why are you playing again?

[`Fluttershy]

While it's true that you've never been scum, there's a few things to note about you

When you have a PR like WS, you tend to not post very much
When you are legion with no PR, you tend to call votes without explanations and QQ when people don't vote with you
Your current playstyle is out of the "ordinary" and to me that's something to note.
Not really, I've been WS twice. Saying I call out votes with no explanation and QQ when I'm not a legion PR is false, because I did that last game as WS.

Yes, my current playstyle is out of the ordinary, but I know it has nothing to do with my role. Just as no one wants to see me troll every game, I don't feel like trolling every game.

The mood I'm in this game in addition to the unusual pressure I've faced day 1 (probably as a culmination of how I've played previous games) has made me play differently since I enjoy going deep into games.

[`Fluttershy]

Of course, eventually I won't be able to escape the accusations of my change in playstyle and that will probably get me lynched eventually. Hopefully I can make a positive impact on this game and take out a few HB before I die. I don't want to end up like burge and get lynched d2 :)

[Fetyukov]

It's more like soft white-knighting. In the end we made that nice little deal whereby he posts more normally. To me this doesn't sound like something I'd want as HB, but watch me if you want.

[Fuga]

vote Bwomp

[SpaceSavage]

I seriously cannot stand this guy fuga the game anymore. There is a major difference between stopping swiftblade spinning you to death and just plain trolling. Can anyone here really want to continue for another 50 pages of fuga randomly voting for people, he has just voted for Bwomp twice in a row now, its ridiculous.

[Blueflash]

How many votes on fuga?

[Fuga]

I'm not trolling currently.

[Fuga]

inb4 Yawning closes the 'loophole' and i die.

[TheJoo]

Fuga knows that trying to just avoid swiftblade's ability looks really scummy, but he's doing it so obviously. He's bad, but not inexperienced.

I'll be able to post more fully when I'm back at home tomorrow.

[SpaceSavage]

meh we have one afk so its not like swift will get you

[KARTlK]

Why do the ones that actually post stuff seem scummy to you.
You're saying I seem towny when I've barely posted anything of substance, let alone anything towny.

Sounds to me like you're just starting to put fuel for the big players to be lynched later in the game.

You were gonna vote TheJoo anyway before he got pressured by someone else? Why? Because his name wasn't funny?


Can't vote brony devilesk, but really, I'm fine with this type of devilesk.
Unvote `Fluttershy

I just read this post and I think they're scummy because they're posting in a style different from what I remember they used to. Except fet. That's just me not liking his account icon (most likely. I was gonna say gut feeling but it's definitely more superficial than that).

[SpaceSavage]

I just read this post and I think they're scummy because they're posting in a style different from what I remember they used to. Except fet. That's just me not liking his account icon (most likely. I was gonna say gut feeling but it's definitely more superficial than that).

It is however only day 1, posting habits vary all the time.

[KARTlK]

K so after reading entire thread.

I AM TUNDRA. HB kill me tonight its no bigs I don't do **** anyway.

Also devilesk softclaimed blacksmith a long time ago and then he said that fuga? or bwomp one of the two is softclaiming blacksmith.

So yeah. Can we just kill one of them or can there be more than one blacksmith?

[Yukari]

Devilesk did NOT claim blacksmith AFAIK. There is only one black smith

[SpaceSavage]

yea devilesk didnt claim anything, it was bwomp i think

[Fuga]

postin' postin' postin'

[Blueflash]

So many poor lies