Why so much hate!?!?!

[SashuraSan]

I am a Newb, I admit. But I practice, Im asking for an advice all the time, and I always play in "noobs only room",,, so wtf I, and all new players get kicked all the time. I get kicked from all rooms cause of my low psr and crappy stats and i am constantly being raged at for dying cause i'm "retarded". I mean it's noobs only room what the hell do you expect from me? Or start naming rooms "uber noobs only".

I always ask for help like, what items should i get for this char? and people sometimes ignore or say i don't know cause they cba helping and some actually does help alot but then they dissapear and then there's a new game and there may be *******s all around that room saying, "OMG IT'S A NEWB HE'S GONA RUIN IT FOR US OH NO!" or "STOP FEEDING THEM YOU RETARD **** OFF" It's always retard and idiot and **** off etc. I understand i shouldn't feed them but sometimes i can't see them on map but they can see me and even though im by a tower they still rape me, yes i should be careful i understand that now but sometimes careful isn't enough.

In addition, I sweat like a pig trying to play good, and trying so hard that I feel nauseous after game. In every online multilayer game I've been before everyone are tolerant to noobs, and giving advices how to improve the game,- but not in this one. Absolutely opposite.

So my question is, why in HON(dota) me (and not only) having the worst multilayer exp ever. , and why players are SO FCUKing mean to newbs!?

[PandaPanda]

Don't take it too seriously, don't take what people say personally.

Don't get too caught up in it either. It's a game, so if it's not fun, take a break for a while :p

[Your__Mother]

Try not playing 'squishy' heroes. Pick heroes with good escape mechanisms and spend the game 'watching' how others play. You'll start noticing you can predict ganks & when to bail and things. You can also find out a certain players play style by trying a few techniques on him (Agressive, defensive, attempt a gank, fake a gank etc.) and use it to your advantage.

The biggest part of HoN is mind games, followed by hero, map & item knowledge. Knowing what your enemy will do, what he'll throw at you and from where is useful information.

[Extreme_Cake]

The biggest part of HoN is outplaying people, not out-thinking them. If you're crushing someone in-lane, he can play all the mind games he wants for all the good it'll do.

Basically, learn to control a lane. You can put huge pressure on people by doing this even if they're technically better than you are.

[BlacRyu]

If it's that stressful trying to play and learn at the same time, host a pro's only game with spectators enabled, go spec and observe how others play. Might help to just focus on one hero/player at a time.

Once you feel more confident then you can jump into a game and try out what you learned.

[Pyrate]

since the tiers dont actually work atm its not a great time to be a new player. Once the tiers actually work you wont get as many veterans playing Noob Only games to up their KD

[Jackaruu]

In most multiplayer games bad players either have effect on you (FPS) or you can just leave. (MMORPG's).

In DoTA/HoN as soon as the game starts your locked in with these 5 people and are punished if you leave.

That's why people get so angry when they have a noob on their team. I guess they don't try to help you because a lot of noobs don't listen to peoples advice, which means when people who are trying to learn ask for help they just get raged at..

[Almindor]

I also get this alot. The key is to keep it a game, games are ment to be fun 1st anything else 2nd. Don't respond to obvious trolls and haters, just play your game. If it's really bad, minimize or something and wait it out, that'll piss them off :D

[OlaOlaSasaya]

Most people who's angry with noobs are kind of noob themselves. They were just trying to find excuses all the time to save their ego.

[_Archangel_]

Most people who's angry with noobs are kind of noob themselves. They were just trying to find excuses all the time to save their ego.

Not true. I don't hate newbs (New players). On the other hand when I find myself on a team with a retard who buys two Helms of the Black Legion on Predator and still thinks he's better than I am, I get really really pissed off. When people don't know what they are doing and don't listen to me, I get pissed off.

I do get frustrated with noobs, but that's just because they are noobs and not because I am noob :\

[Tapioka]

1. A game can be deciced by one single player. If he is bad, f.e. he dies to much, the enemy team will become stronger.
People dont like to lose (yes lose, not "loose", that means something complete different), so they yell about everything, that is causing the process of losing. (Maybe you mentioned players yelling like idiots if they die, because someone did not say "miss". In my opinion, thats just another way to blame someone else. They arent able to look at the map the first 7 lvl, but the moment they hit lvl 8, they look at the map all the time and annoy everybody with ten thousand blinks a minute).
Its a paradoxon in this game i like to call, i dont know, i dont really have name for it, but the point is: Everyone want to be better than the other. They dont tell anyone anything, because they are afraid, anyone could learn something and become better than they are. So the best way is flaming, telling everybody how bad they are, that prevents the possibility, that they will improve their game. But the problem is: You cannot win a game by yourself, its a teamgame. And because you dont know anything, and you will never know anything, because you dont have to be good, the entire team is dommed and will lose. Nobody wants to lose and so they are looking for the scapegoat, which will be you! Do you see the pattern forming? And a major reason is the psyche of the players. Maybe they are mobbed at work, maybe they substitute work with hon/dota, perhaps they are ugly or they are just lactose-intollerant or they dont have the money to start a rampage.
2. zomgololol, i said it all in 1.
3. man, that was fun!

[Baarak]

Honestly the only time I yell at noobs is when they refuse to state they are new, and they dont ask for help.

[Puchi]

too many p12's around :S

[bmaker]

You're talking about the sort of advanced players that enjoy flaming new/bad players (and, of course: pwning noobs, since they join noobs only games).
They enjoy it, because that ensures that nobody pays attention to their own mistakes plus they don't have a bad conscience if they lose since it clearly was "the noob's fault".

They dont want you to get better, they just search for someone who is guilty if their team loses.
Explaining which items to buy? How to play better? Oh no, they gotta spend their time on stealing kills; no time for helping.

I've exaggerated a bit. :x

[Tallow]

I am noob my self, I always state it at the start of the game, I have no problems with that. I generally like to play Jeraziah if it's an All-heroes match. I have only won one game thus far, and that was due to the help of my team-mates. They helped me out alot as to what items to buy, and what skills to get.

I was in a 3v3 last night as Jeraziah again, with Pyro(?) and a melee hero. I was a few levels behind, as I mainly like to hang back, heal and such. Anyhow, the one guy on my team was using voice-chat and would freak out whenever I did anything. In a lane by my self? Going to buy an item from base? Running a head of him with creeps? He'd replay with "What the **** noob, are you retarded?!? GOD, learn to play". I tried to ignore it, but after 30 minutes of the game I said **** it and left.

It wasn't a bad game, we were tied in points, one of the other teams heroes was a few lvls higher then us, but I didn't see his yelling to be doing anything good for our team.

I also only join "NOOB" games, and only noob games, but still find *******s like this.

Chill out buddy, it's just a game.

[DenyTheTruth]

Looks like you've come to the right place OP.

The miscommunication here is that in DotA/HoN a noob is someone who is not good at the game, not someone who is new.

You should name your games, "Less than 50 games" or "Beginner" or something.

Also, if you're the host you can choose who stays or goes, so start making instead of joining and invite other noobs.

[GodBeastX]

The flaming is high in this game. I've had games I joined and said "I'm really new to this game" before it even began and still got flamed constantly. One guy felt the need to broadcast my k/d every time someone managed to kill me like I wasn't aware I got killed.

If people flamed with "Do this than this!" I might be attacked, but at least I learned from it. Shouting "You're doing it wrong!" doesn't mean I'll suddenly know what's "Right".

Not to mention this game is littered with acronyms that a new player is never going to understand. It'd be nice if there was a thread on "Common Acronyms!".

[PIEANDPIE]

Relax and try dota ai 6.33 =) And than HoN

Its really hard for a new comers to play HoN. Reason because people gets worried about their PSR if a newbite join their game and spoil everything.

[Blaat]

I don't consider myself as a 'noob' anymore, but I can give you some advice.

- Ignore all the swearing from other players.
- If you don't know what items to buy, the 'recommended' tab gives you some nice items most of the time. Start with some items like Bracers/Boots first before buying the expensive items like Wingbow.
- Just keep practicing. And make it fun for yourself. Find some RL friends, or other ppl who start playing HoN and are also 'Noobs'. If you find a few friends to play with in your team, it's more fun, you can cooperate better so you have an advantage, and you don't have ppl that are flaming on you all the time.
- Read guides on this forum for example to get more knowledge about strategies / heroes / what items to buy.

In HoN / DotA, your presence is much more important than in CS for example. If you die too much, you give
- The other players money
- The other players experience
- A disadvantage to your team because it's kinda 5v4 if you die all the time.

So if you fail, your team, so all other players will fail earlier too because they have a much bigger disadvantage.

Just ignore all the flame, and try to get better and most important, have fun in it, or make it fun for yourself, it's a game after all :)

[NateTG]

Flaming has always been abundant in DotA, and it seems like that's carried over to HoN. I've just learned to ignore most chats, because it a lot of people flame whether you're did anything wrong or not. They just like to blame people for their deaths.

Fairly common scenario:
PlayerA: "why no stun noob"
PlayerB: "I did, like twice. You charged in to a group of heroes."

Eventually, you just don't even respond.

Nate

[BigErn]

I've been playing HON since 8/26 and I never played DOTA. This game was rough at first out but once I understood the mechanics and the correct play style needed to get better, I soon built up a 2:1(not that impressive)

with that said..

I get mad at people who have been playing HON longer and admit to playing DOTA and still don't show an ounce of knowledge about the game or the correct play style.

The one thing I learned early was this game punishes aggression and playing semi-defensively pays off better in the long run.

[TreeHorse]

The problem with HON is that the average pub level is ridiculously high in comparison to the skill level of someone who has never played DOTA before. Because of the expected knowledge of the average pub player, there is little to no tolerance for people who simply have NO IDEA how to play the game(beginners).

There are plenty of scrub players out there who generally know what items to buy and how to play but simply suck at winning (they can function on their own but have no idea how to pick a decent team or play the role their hero is meant for). But they're still better than the absolute rookies.

I personally would have no idea how to even coach someone who'd never played the game before. A daunting task to be sure. IMO the "noobs/ noobs allowed/ pros only" tiers need to be implemented desperately.

Edit: I just realized part of the reason this game is so difficult for beginners - options. There are far too many options for beginners to deal with...

1) What hero do I pick? In any RPG there are usually between 3 and 10 classes to choose from. HON has far more heroes than that, and even the strength/agi/int heroes are all drastically different from each other playstyle-wise.
2) What items do I buy? When you start out most other games you don't have many options...all that's available to you is crappy gear and you either have no money or there is no shop to buy at. But in this, you can view any item you want and buy a fair amount of them to start off with. Thankfully the recommended items is doing something to alleviate this.
3) How do I know where to go and when? A seasoned player knows when it's time to vacate a lane, roam and gank, neutral, hug your tower, TP counter-gank etc. For a rookie it's hard enough trying to stay behind the creep wave and not die to towers.

[Anari]

Hey man, Don't worry about what ever anyone says.
I have been labeled a noob many times before because frankly I did not try but I took it with a frame of mind. If I was told I suck I asked why and tried to improve off what they said. If they just said some annoying one word answer or somthing that was made not to be constructive they suck more than you do. Do not worry about anything, Play the game and enjoy yourself :)

[Heart63]

If it's that stressful trying to play and learn at the same time, host a pro's only game with spectators enabled, go spec and observe how others play. Might help to just focus on one hero/player at a time.

Once you feel more confident then you can jump into a game and try out what you learned.

This is a great idea honestly, i think a lot of new players should follow this.. kind of a great way to get a tutorial without a real tutorial mode.

[Powerpixel]

This is a great idea honestly, i think a lot of new players should follow this. kind of a great way to get a tutorial without a real tutorial mode.
Yep. Great idea, but won't work. The key is some tards... eh... new players don't want to learn at all. They just want to rape. Winning in dota/hon needs a good teamplay. Support must support, tank to tank and carry overfarm foes. There're numerous hero build guides over the net, but who cares. I mean some newbs willing to understand the game, will get it rather quickly. But others won't bother watching pro games. They just want to rape. And fail ofc. :o

[Markhov]

About PSR:

High PSR, above 1700+ => Got kicked out from most of the game.
Reason: PSR too high, people are afraid of you.

Low PSR, below 1400- => Got kicked out from most of the game.
Reason: PSR too low, people are thinking you're a noob, or a troll in the game.

Prepare to get your friend and host your own game, and play with your friends. The PSR really need a fix or changes. Sometime low PSR players can take down high PSR players, and PSR is mean nothing in that case.

I prefer to disable the PSR, and the stats remain like normal is the best.

[Sketch88]

if you think your problem is dieing too much, i would play a tank or like someone previously stated , one with great escape mechanics

easy heroes to play are:

Electrician -> build as tank and support
legionnaire -> tank, just soak up lots of pew pew dmg

just experiment and see which hero you just pick up right away.

[Powerpixel]

easy heroes to play are:

Electrician -> build as tank and support
legionnaire -> tank, just soak up lots of pew pew dmg

just experiment and see which hero you just pick up right away.

Lold. Do so and people will hate you even more. A good one tank must be a good initiator. Show me a newbie using portal key properly plz.

[Brottor]

best tip ever
DONT DIE!


thats about all you have to do. Dont die. The rest will come automaticly

and you should not play em. Best to play AR or SD because then you will learn the skills of all heroes AND you wont face your enemy with their main(pubstomper)heroes.

[DragNight]

I am honestly a horrible player, but I like it that way. I just play for fun. :D I could not care less about my stats. I would even pick random hero for the sake of trying something new. Seriously, people take this game way to personal. Even going to the sad sad point of swearing. Its just a game! And what are games meant for? having fun. Who cares if you lose like every game. (aka me :) ) who cares if you're underleveled. Noobs on noob servers are still learning. Unless you're at like the top 100 players, you shouldn't care about your stats. And you players who know how to play, you should help the newbies get a grip on this game. Who knows, in about a month or two, they could be your rival; if you're into that stuff. I honestly see that most players are mean. If you guys keep this up, the new players are going to shrink in numbers. This is a simple game with the only rule of no dieing. Yet at the same time, theres a crap-load of effects and buffs at everyone's disposal.
:eek:

[Steely_J]

I think what the original poster is trying to say is "Why are people such dickholes to the people trying to learn?"

I have no answer for it... I try to ignore it myself, but it's really annoying. Especially when some people start flinging racist remarks around. I don't know what compels them to do it, but if I were a game mod I would not encourage such douchebaggery among its users.

[noRaki]

Honestly the only time I yell at noobs is when they refuse to state they are new, and they dont ask for help.

indeed
if your new ask for help;
guys could you help out;
what do i need to pick ect.
and dont be stiff headed and say at the end when losing oh am i doing wright with this crappy not fitted items on this hero ??
or ppl who dont tell anything at all & go feed all the time brrr
or stay passif in the pool or in a lane creeping
while others are fighting mid

frustration off// xD

[crayze]

People get annoyed for a simple reason: DotA is a team game in which you cannot pick your team in every game you play. Maybe you don't care about winning; maybe the fun in your eyes is just watching the special effects roll across the screen. But there are some people who get enjoyment out of the competitive aspect of the game. And because DotA is a team game, when one person fails miserably the game becomes uncompetitive -- 5v5 with a feeder becomes more like 3.5 vs 5. So essentially your right to have fun in your own way has infringed upon their right to have fun in their own way, and so they get angry.

The worst, really, is when someone is bad, unwilling to admit/accept they are bad, and unwilling to listen to what other people tell them to do. The other day I played with a Jereziah who constantly pushed a lane way too far and would undoubtedly get ganked. He would never carry TP scrolls, and even when we saw them going to his lane (from a ward), he refused to leave because he said he wanted to farm more. When we told him he needs to listen, he told us that "he does what he wants" because he plays the game for fun.

Now right there he's making an assertion that his right to have fun comes before anyone else's right to have fun, and moreover, he's asserting that he cannot have fun without killing the competition in the game. Thats what gets people angry.

So here's your solution:

If you suck, join a game with other people who suck. Whenever anyone tells you to do something, do it. Always assume that you are wrong, that you did mess up, and try your best to change whatever it was that you messed up on. Don't get defensive or try to argue that you may be right. No. You're wrong. The only way to be right is to become more familiar with the game.. and you aren't going to do that if you cling to stupid excuses like "i play for fun i do what i want".

[Tamachan]

I am a Newb, ...... and why players are SO FCUKing mean to newbs!?

I was a noob once..;. ahh those beautiful days. HoN is a bit of a special game when it comes to skill level. It's not like Cod where you can run around with mouse1 held down and get kills, if you are bad you are really bad. The best way is to become friends with anyone who is good and get them to carry you through your first 10/20 matches or so. Once you start to get the hang of them game read teh forums for items builds so you dont waste ur time IN GAME asking about it.

pick support heroes such as Glacius and Accursed/jeraziah. It's easier to heal ur team and run than be the main damage or stunner in a team fight.

If you have a decent computer - record ur matches (or when HoN supports it look them up) and see where you went wrong.

[Valonsire]

1. DO NOT PLAY EM!

2. DO NOT PLAY NOOB ONLY GAMES!

I know it sounds wierd, and im not claiming on being an expert of anything, but i found that when you play all noobs games... that exactly what it is. You're just playing with ppl the same skill lvl as you. They make the same mistakes you do and they do the same newbish things that you and I do. You're not learning anything because the other ppl are just as newb as you!

When you play a regular game, you tend to see and meet more experienced players, not necessarily pro, but better nonetheless. You get to see them and see tactics, there are usually team leaders that you won't see in noob games. Whne you join a noob game, you have to realize, not only are you playing against noobs, but your playing WITH them too, they're on YOUR team as well.

Bottom line, if you focus on "Noob only games" all your going to be is a noob. If you join more pro games (Not PRO mind you) you will gain knowledge and you'll be better much quicker than if you were playing noob games. Srsly this is why my stats are so messed up cuz i would do nothing but play noob games and die cuz pro jerks would fake being noobs and rip me to shreds.

[Zegelmorph]

I came to HoN with no DOTA experience and got a lot of the same hate. As some other people has said it is very important in your first few games to state that you are new. This allows your teammates to focus on backing you up more, give you tips, etc, without just flaming you for being a dumbass. You'll still run into plenty of jerks though, so be prepared.

One tip that I found useful as a noob is to NOT play support heroes such as Jereziah, Demented Shaman, Nymphora, etc. These heroes actually require more skill to play properly. Mistimed heals, not casting repel on the right heroes, etc will just piss your team off. Alternatively, DPS heros like Swiftblade are much more straightforward. As long as you do some research in the Strategy section and buy a moderately correct build it is hard to play these heroes wrong.

[Desuuuu]

People label rooms "noobs only" because they want to farm stats. I have a couple of friends who do this. They either lower their PSR or make a new account and play noob only rooms in order to feel godly at this game.

[SpikeBolt]

It's true that this is not a very noob friendly community. Fortunely a lot of people from my uni plays this game and they were able to help me out learning the game. We play 3vs3 with uni people only and it's really fun because despite we are newbs we are all learning and having fun. No one yells or complain, we just explain each others were we failed.

It would be great if, at least, the Newb Only tier were this friendly. I once stated that I was new to the game, never played DotA and they simply voted to remake the game and kick me. It's frustrating for newbs to get started, no doubt about it.

[CallofDuty4]

Because of this reason, my 4 friends and i almost quit HoN last week. But i stuck it out, ignored them and now i consider myself an average player, but these people that just Bag on you for one simple mistake, it's just pathetic.

[Shadz]

Ignore it and just practice. Keep playing the same hero over and over to get the hang of it, then move on.

[KajuN]

My idea for you; When playing a game, seeing people playing well and doing good, look what items the player got, how he played during the game (did he gank? did he farm well? did he runewhore? etc.) - Start memerizing the play style and item build, and slowly you'll start knowing the basics of every hero, and eventually you'll be able to find the right items/heros depending on your matchup.

Also another idea is to check the forum from time to time, read strategies, and get a -AP and try it out for yourself. It works :).

[extracheez]

The only way to learn this game is with friends. That way you learn the game with people who cant rage at you, because they are as crap as you are.

The reason why I rage at people is you see some really stupid ****, in a no noobs game, I've seen people pick Ophelia and stand at the tower getting no xp and being level 3 10 minutes into the game, there are disconnects every 2nd game and there are people who don't call miss. I make the mistakes and when people rage at me I just figure hey, I'll do better next time, atleast I'm not some tard who sits in the pool for the first half of the game.

[`sikmyduk]

look - to the original poster - you're only noob if you don't learn from your mistakes. Simple as that. Just get yourself together, ignore those people (literally /ignore add person's name), and have fun. The last thing is the most important. Yes I know it may seem null at this point, but what is your purpose on a game if not to have fun? And besides we all started off as noobs. If you really want to train, go get yourself a copy of Warcraft III Reign of Chaos, upgrade to The Frozen Throne (expansion), then download the latest copy of DoTA to prepare yourself for HoN. Many players (including myself) originally came from Warcraft III.

Good luck and happy hunting.

[`sikmyduk]

The only way to learn this game is with friends. That way you learn the game with people who cant rage at you, because they are as crap as you are.

The reason why I rage at people is you see some really stupid ****, in a no noobs game, I've seen people pick Ophelia and stand at the tower getting no xp and being level 3 10 minutes into the game, there are disconnects every 2nd game and there are people who don't call miss. I make the mistakes and when people rage at me I just figure hey, I'll do better next time, atleast I'm not some tard who sits in the pool for the first half of the game.

Do you really need people to call MIAs for you? Use your mini map buddy and please learn to play without having someone hold your hand.

[Lexus2g]

i find it silly how people make a newbs only game and then end up trying to kick the new guyz

[Heridshire]

Well, i don't think this is about advices such as "how to get better".

Answering your question, i once read that DotA - and in this case applies to HoN - is like modern brawl. I mean, I'm 20, and when i was like 12 i went to play in the street and fight with some people. Not for real, but actually for fun, it was a measurement of strenght and skill. Since these days most kids don't play in the streets, but in the internet, we had to adapt.

I feel that people project themselves into their accounts. If they have good stats, they feel they themselves are good. So if you for some reason "make them lose", they obviously will get mad at you, since you are making them look worse.

The other part of the answer, I think, is about expectations. If you join a "Pro game", like 1800+ PSR, you will do so expecting people to play real, real good. If you do play a <1500, you should expect a lower level. However, for some reason, people who play these "noob games" still expect other people to play perfectly. And that's the problem, everyone, in every situation, when have their expectations frustrated gets mad, very mad.

So why people expect so much from these "noob games"? Because they like to feel better than others, to play easy games, or even they are themselves retardeds. In none of the cases you are guilty, so feel this way - they are wrong.

Ofc it's hard to ignore flaming, and ofc something has to be done to fix these imperfections. But I'm sure in the future when people who are playing noob games really feel they are noobs and expect others to make mistakes, then we'll have by far less problems.

Just, please, don't go into games where people want to play seriously and say you are playing for fun and ruin the game. Do your best. Otherwise you may have fun, but you are gonna spoil at least 4 people's fun. And then you are an idiot.

[Cash]

People get annoyed for a simple reason: DotA is a team game in which you cannot pick your team in every game you play. Maybe you don't care about winning; maybe the fun in your eyes is just watching the special effects roll across the screen. But there are some people who get enjoyment out of the competitive aspect of the game. And because DotA is a team game, when one person fails miserably the game becomes uncompetitive -- 5v5 with a feeder becomes more like 3.5 vs 5. So essentially your right to have fun in your own way has infringed upon their right to have fun in their own way, and so they get angry.

The worst, really, is when someone is bad, unwilling to admit/accept they are bad, and unwilling to listen to what other people tell them to do. The other day I played with a Jereziah who constantly pushed a lane way too far and would undoubtedly get ganked. He would never carry TP scrolls, and even when we saw them going to his lane (from a ward), he refused to leave because he said he wanted to farm more. When we told him he needs to listen, he told us that "he does what he wants" because he plays the game for fun.

Now right there he's making an assertion that his right to have fun comes before anyone else's right to have fun, and moreover, he's asserting that he cannot have fun without killing the competition in the game. Thats what gets people angry.

So here's your solution:

If you suck, join a game with other people who suck. Whenever anyone tells you to do something, do it. Always assume that you are wrong, that you did mess up, and try your best to change whatever it was that you messed up on. Don't get defensive or try to argue that you may be right. No. You're wrong. The only way to be right is to become more familiar with the game.. and you aren't going to do that if you cling to stupid excuses like "i play for fun i do what i want".

Spot on.
I'm always glad if a newbie wants to learn something and listens to what you tell him. But in 9/10 cases newbies simply wont accept the truth - them being newbs.
Every game there are players in denial of their incompetence. I always try to explain how they could improve in general and especially in certain teamsituations I can judge what we need and who is supposed to get/do it. But when a newbie completly ignores my hints and claims that he "knows what he is doing" or "stfu I know how to play" - which very often clearly isnt the case, newbs DO NOT KNOW HOW TO PLAY, then I can get really mad.

I enjoy the competetive aspect of this game and if I know the game Im now playing will be lost and Im forced to play another 30 minutes with the incarnated incompetence then I get pissed royally.

Imagine you playing a footballmatch and someone in your team repeatedly shots at your own goal and claims its okay, he only plays for fun...he can expect some trouble.

And sometimes you simply get tired of the attitude of newbies. If Im in an -ap game and tell them that we need more more int/str heroes because scout, madman and arachna are already picked and number 4 gets nighthound anyway...how to not be mad? If the opposing team doesnt pick like retards aswell you know you are about to play at least 40 mins just to end up loosing with players that wont listen to you anyway.

So if youre new to the game, listen to advices that are given to you, try to aply them and you will automatically play better for your team, which will obviously descrease the amount of flames/kicks you receive.

[Blaat]

This weekend I saw a 5 man team with all <1400 PSR and all a nice KD ratio. They owned us, and THEY conceded just before they downed our throne

[InsaneOdin]

1 simple thing to make is

instead of noobs only game implement amount of games played

so noobs only tier 1 to 50 played (also seek out if he has more then 1 account otherwise don't let him in)

noobs allowed tier 50 - 150
new tier
Decent players/average tier 150 - 10000000
pro tier well u can tell by urself in that tier u prob kick low psr players anyway then

[laughyboy]

[QUOTE=SashuraSan;402896] I understand i shouldn't feed them but sometimes i can't see them on map but they can see me and even though im by a tower they still rape me, yes i should be careful i understand that now but sometimes careful isn't enough.

QUOTE]

if you notice no enemy hero's on the map it usualy means they are upto sumthing, at this point you would back off, you have to think about this smartly, you can always rely on your teammates to call miss on an enemy hero, if you end up feeding and cant do anything to help it, change lanes it pointsless running back up to die again, there are many things you can do to oviod feeding and you will pikc up all the other aspects on the game this way.

[ShadowsCrush]

This weekend I saw a 5 man team with all <1400 PSR and all a nice KD ratio. They owned us, and THEY conceded just before they downed our throne

Welcome to Heroes of Sandbagging!

[ImpBloody]

The fact is, there really is no way for anyone to separate skill levels because people are able to join any game and there is no test to make games limited for only certain people, the only way to get better is by failing first and dealing with the ridicule.

[HarrisonFor1]

People in noob only rooms are really...really bad. Usually they have the worst attitudes too. I'm not saying I'm good, but I made a a new account and played some newb only games (some -em) and it was probably the worst experience ever. Honestly skip the "noob only" and just join normal games that dont specify.

[Remiz]

Even tho its supposed to be multilayer game, Simple AI would be a big deal in learning curve, because playing 2x2 vs Arachna and Swiftblade is way not fun.

Problem of DotA/HoN is that it is not newb friendly if you want to be successful start reading guides, item builds, watching replays... moar guides.

And playing against/with AI would be fun sometimes in general, at least they keep shut when they are loosing or wining, or even if you dont know that item X is made from item Y Z which is made from A B C items, but item X sux for you because your passive W works better with item P which also has S ability to counter K hero and needs only a G F D items to be made....

[DenyTheTruth]

Do you really need people to call MIAs for you? Use your mini map buddy and please learn to play without having someone hold your hand.

Working as a team is part of the game. You should always call misses. It's easier to keep track of things that way.

Personally, I don't want to have to stare at the mini-map half the game just because someone can't say "mid miss". It's fine that you don't need the help but it's helpful, especially for beginners.

[AdamaA]

Hi there!

Im starting to improve my game after 300 matchs without previous Dota experience. I will try to tell you somethings that helped me on groups on my first games.

Before or soon after the game starts, tell your partners you are a newbie willing to learn that will accept any advice. Also ask politely for some understanding if you screw it up. May seem a flowerland advice but i found it worked more times than not. Its normal to find 1-2 guys per game than after reading this will start to give usefull tips and it also makes some haters skip the chat **** lines.

Try to communicate. Read what others say (read = comprehend), if u dont comprehend "Mia 2 bot proly mid gank", ask. Once you start to comprehend what is been said on chat you can start usefull comunications too! Some player of your team WILL appreciate you communicate and they will be happier = less **** chat lines.

Try to teamplay. Support heroes picks are better for this. Ok, maybe you dont have the skillset of a pr0, but you are willing to help your team for the victory so... Buy astrolabes, mana rings, wards, dust, give trees or potions to needing lane mates, call mias fast. Some people on your team will notice your efforts meaning less **** chat lines.

As a general rule, dont try to hide your noob status but the other way around.

After all, this game learning curve is sick and u will suck for some time. No matter how hard you try, you are gonna suck in a haters team and they will insult you without concerns. Just ignore these people and keep playing and having fun. On the long run, the helping players are much more meaningfull that haters.

Good luck!

[`sikmyduk]

Hi there!

Im starting to improve my game after 300 matchs without previous Dota experience. I will try to tell you somethings that helped me on groups on my first games.

Before or soon after the game starts, tell your partners you are a newbie willing to learn that will accept any advice. Also ask politely for some understanding if you screw it up. May seem a flowerland advice but i found it worked more times than not. Its normal to find 1-2 guys per game than after reading this will start to give usefull tips and it also makes some haters skip the chat **** lines.

Try to communicate. Read what others say (read = comprehend), if u dont comprehend "Mia 2 bot proly mid gank", ask. Once you start to comprehend what is been said on chat you can start usefull comunications too! Some player of your team WILL appreciate you communicate and they will be happier = less **** chat lines.

Try to teamplay. Support heroes picks are better for this. Ok, maybe you dont have the skillset of a pr0, but you are willing to help your team for the victory so... Buy astrolabes, mana rings, wards, dust, give trees or potions to needing lane mates, call mias fast. Some people on your team will notice your efforts meaning less **** chat lines.

As a general rule, dont try to hide your noob status but the other way around.

After all, this game learning curve is sick and u will suck for some time. No matter how hard you try, you are gonna suck in a haters team and they will insult you without concerns. Just ignore these people and keep playing and having fun. On the long run, the helping players are much more meaningfull that haters.

Good luck!
Yes this is essential. MOST people are kind enough to lend advice and let you lane with them. If you accidently feed, they'll have nothing to say to that. As you have already told them you are new to the game. Remember in the online world, you have to extend your courtesy to people and not expect any.

Good luck to the original poster

[`sikmyduk]

Working as a team is part of the game. You should always call misses. It's easier to keep track of things that way.

Personally, I don't want to have to stare at the mini-map half the game just because someone can't say "mid miss". It's fine that you don't need the help but it's helpful, especially for beginners.
I agree with you to a certain extent. However, what happens mid game late game? Yes I'll probably agree with you most people will start looking at the mini map. However, if you look earlier, this just builds a habit which will ultimately improve someone's game.

[junglebadger]

find someone with a pretty decent psr and kd and spectate them an entire game. you will learn a ton, best way to learn imo. especially if they're ur friend and can like talk to you on skype as they play and explain stuff

[Rawrior]

What junglebadger said, or join TGM or LC and inhouse with them.

[Evergoth]

I am a Newb, I admit. But I practice, Im asking for an advice all the time, and I always play in "noobs only room",,, so wtf I, and all new players get kicked all the time. I get kicked from all rooms cause of my low psr and crappy stats and i am constantly being raged at for dying cause i'm "retarded". I mean it's noobs only room what the hell do you expect from me? Or start naming rooms "uber noobs only".

I always ask for help like, what items should i get for this char? and people sometimes ignore or say i don't know cause they cba helping and some actually does help alot but then they dissapear and then there's a new game and there may be *******s all around that room saying, "OMG IT'S A NEWB HE'S GONA RUIN IT FOR US OH NO!" or "STOP FEEDING THEM YOU RETARD **** OFF" It's always retard and idiot and **** off etc. I understand i shouldn't feed them but sometimes i can't see them on map but they can see me and even though im by a tower they still rape me, yes i should be careful i understand that now but sometimes careful isn't enough.

In addition, I sweat like a pig trying to play good, and trying so hard that I feel nauseous after game. In every online multilayer game I've been before everyone are tolerant to noobs, and giving advices how to improve the game,- but not in this one. Absolutely opposite.

So my question is, why in HON(dota) me (and not only) having the worst multilayer exp ever. , and why players are SO FCUKing mean to newbs!?

It's fairly simple. They aren't doing as well as they'd like, so they have to find someone to blame. I assume you're playing public, and in public games there is always some idiot on the losing team trying to rub all failures off on his team.

"BG MY TEAM IS RETARDED!"
"crapteam"
"I just cant deal with all these noobs!"
"delete your game, and never touch a computer game again"

I think he expects the winning team to say "yeah you're right, you're awesome and they suck, you're welcome to join our pubstomp any day of the week"

Please take note of that players score, it's usually a 1-10-0 guy or a 10-10-0 guy, who steals every kill "because his newteam doesn't deserve it" or because he thinks his pyromancer is a carry, or at least someone who spent the entire game in the forrest when his team needed him.

I have seen very few of these guys who beg the other team for pitty and support who didn't make some fatal error during the game.

In other words, learn to ignore them.

If I'm online and we'll actually be let into the same games, I wouldn't mind helping you.

[NoctisFaytE]

Start it out slowly, pick things up bit by bit. look up some guides if you want. We all had to start somewhere. and well they had to as well. So yeah leetist will always be leetist jerks nothing we can do about it. Just yeah what most others said. ignore them, play how you play, you will pick things up in no time.

[Madlobster]

In every online multilayer game I've been before everyone are tolerant to noobs, and giving advices how to improve the game,- but not in this one. Absolutely opposite.

Thats funny, because in every single online multiplayer game i have ever played, there are always stupid flamers about.

life is hard

[RompMachine]

if you are getting called a retard its because you are probably playing like a retard (i.e. die 5 times before 10 min. mark), this game isn't hard, don't see how people can be THAT bad

[AdamaA]

if you are getting called a retard its because you are probably playing like a retard (i.e. die 5 times before 10 min. mark), this game isn't hard, don't see how people can be THAT bad

Here is one you should ignore

[iwillendyou]

there's a very steep learning curve for those who never played dota, or any other similar game before joining this one. you want to get better? read up on the guides posted on these forums, and then try them out in practice game to see what each item and skill does. learn some of the basic game lingo. having at least some idea how the game works, what some of the items and skills do will greatly improve your chances of winning.

big part of it has to do with cooperating with the rest of your team to be successful, even if the odds are stacked against you when your teammates pick weaker characters. a lot of problems arise when you have a conflict of interest, especially when some guy who thinks that he's a pro with a 1200 psr and a .5kdr, and gets the entire team killed when he starts yelling for them to come back him up, but as soon as he sees the enemies, he jets for the home base, leaving his teammates to get slaughtered.

i'm still not that familiar with many of the skills or characters in game because i don't play 24/7 like some people here, but i've learned the basics to having a close to 50-50 match outcome in public team game.

[Moxie]

This game is going to be a huge turn off to anyone but elitist DOTA people. I played 2 games so far, said I was new, asked for help and still just got degraded and called a noob. If you want to have a decent community of players at release, everyone needs to drop the attitude and build the community.

[Knepig]

People how nerd-rage about noobs are stupid. Everyone is noob sometime in life.

[Synchronize]

if you are new to this game this you have to play with this division

" Dont Die Dont Kill " cause surviving is better than killing if you are newbie. At least you will not responsible for their farm. Also always get vanguard Cheap/effective and probably very noobass item.

[iwillendyou]

People how nerd-rage about noobs are stupid. Everyone is noob sometime in life.

well in real life there some people who run large corporations, and some who clean toilets. what's preventing the janitors from running corporations? lack of advancement in life. if they tried a bit harder, they probably could have been in a better position.

[Knepig]

well in real life there some people who run large corporations, and some who clean toilets. what's preventing the janitors from running corporations? lack of advancement in life. if they tried a bit harder, they probably could have been in a better position.


Sounds a bit like "survival of the fittest".

[HONYoda]

I am a Newb, I admit. But I practice, Im asking for an advice all the time, and I always play in "noobs only room",,, so wtf I, and all new players get kicked all the time. I get kicked from all rooms cause of my low psr and crappy stats and i am constantly being raged at for dying cause i'm "retarded". I mean it's noobs only room what the hell do you expect from me? Or start naming rooms "uber noobs only".

I always ask for help like, what items should i get for this char? and people sometimes ignore or say i don't know cause they cba helping and some actually does help alot but then they dissapear and then there's a new game and there may be *******s all around that room saying, "OMG IT'S A NEWB HE'S GONA RUIN IT FOR US OH NO!" or "STOP FEEDING THEM YOU RETARD **** OFF" It's always retard and idiot and **** off etc. I understand i shouldn't feed them but sometimes i can't see them on map but they can see me and even though im by a tower they still rape me, yes i should be careful i understand that now but sometimes careful isn't enough.

In addition, I sweat like a pig trying to play good, and trying so hard that I feel nauseous after game. In every online multilayer game I've been before everyone are tolerant to noobs, and giving advices how to improve the game,- but not in this one. Absolutely opposite.

So my question is, why in HON(dota) me (and not only) having the worst multilayer exp ever. , and why players are SO FCUKing mean to newbs!?

You are feeling like this because HoN refuses to lift the zoom restrictions on the game. *shrug*

[iwillendyou]

Sounds a bit like "survival of the fittest".

that's exactly what it is, and that's how this game will be like (pub aspect) until they implement some way to auto balance randomized quick games without depending on the useless psr.

[BigHustles]

Okay so many people put in different input. All you have to do man is ****ing read the strategy section/premium guides, read threads about "HOW NOT TO BE NOOB", "HOW TO LANE FOR BEGINNERS" and pick a hero guide. Its really not that hard, most people are just lazy and pick scout over and over. Be proactive. Approach it as you would anything else, you have to work at it.

[Chacineiro]

I always tought 1500 PSR is to high for starters.

People often dont look into stats and see a 1550+- newb(who pulled out 2 lucky wins) as a normal average-tier player, and not a real starting newb. So they get flamed to death.

[Bulawark]

Okay so many people put in different input. All you have to do man is ****ing read the strategy section/premium guides, read threads about "HOW NOT TO BE NOOB", "HOW TO LANE FOR BEGINNERS" and pick a hero guide. Its really not that hard, most people are just lazy and pick scout over and over. Be proactive. Approach it as you would anything else, you have to work at it.
Work at it? Here our opinions seem to differ from each other, I only play games because I find it fun/relaxing. I don't care if my rating doesn't go up, I do not care if there is someone in my team worse than me.
I am playing in a noob only game if somebody is complaining please join a non noob only game.
And sure there are some heroes with whom I can play pretty good, but I prefer to pick a different hero each time just to try out something different.
Guess most of the players here are quite young though so I'll just try to ignore all the hate.

[LightRain]

I always tought 1500 PSR is to high for starters.

People often dont look into stats and see a 1550+- newb(who pulled out 2 lucky wins) as a normal average-tier player, and not a real starting newb. So they get flamed to death.
this doesn't make any sense, fyi

[BigHustles]

Work at it?

Quite the concept huh?

You have to put forth effort if you want to improve your game. No one wants to play with people who aren't trying to win. It's the same thing as when you get a "game over" in a typical video game. You keep trying and as you keep trying, you improve. Its the same thing in that game called Life. It's so pathetic that people ***** about stuff because they don't want to put forth any effort.

If someone talks **** to you because you did something wrong ignore them, but it might benefit you to think about what happened and realize, "Wow that was dumb of me". The thing is you just don't want to reflect and you want to blame it on the community for being mean. This community comes across as harsh because people who actually care about getting better are so fed up with pathetic noobs that just pick Scout or don't try, and just piss and moan and QQ.

[BavarianMW]

Quite the concept huh?

You have to put forth effort if you want to improve your game. No one wants to play with people who aren't trying to win. It's the same thing as when you get a "game over" in a typical video game. You keep trying and as you keep trying, you improve. Its the same thing in that game called Life. It's so pathetic that people ***** about stuff because they don't want to put forth any effort.

If someone talks **** to you because you did something wrong ignore them, but it might benefit you to think about what happened and realize, "Wow that was dumb of me". The thing is you just don't want to reflect and you want to blame it on the community for being mean. This community comes across as harsh because people who actually care about getting better are so fed up with pathetic noobs that just pick Scout or don't try, and just piss and moan and QQ.

Keep in mind when a 'noob' gets flamed, its not usually because they did something stupid, it is usually cause the 'pro' died or something, because the 'noob' wasnt fully aware of the gank the 'pro' wanted to try without communicating correctly.

I got ulted by Chronos today and my teammate went over and over again saying: STUN STUN STUN STUN OMG OMG (I was Andro), while I was in the bubble... then I died. he stuck around and got ganked by 3 of them. He rage quit and sent me a message about how I was a noob and people like me ruin his psr

[Isin]

I only rage at noobs when they're "nooby and proud of it" -- as in: they show no effort to improve, and even get mad when I tell them to adjust how they're playing.

[nomado]

to OP
dude i did check you stats and i have one only thing to say:

play more
complain less

thats all i have to say
have a good day ;)

[BigHustles]

You just have to get over it man. There are people like that in this world that are tools. You just have to deal with it. Just practice and things like that wont happen as much.

There will always be people like that that will talk **** to you. Going back to my previous post, that is just how life is.

But if you're being lazy, or not admitting to yourself that you really want to get better and wont try at it because you're too preoccupied to realize that its actually YOUR problem, then you're just as guilty as the people talking bad to you.

Suck it up, get better and enjoy yourself. This is a great game that breeds excellent competition and thats why I keep playing.

[Evergoth]

Quite the concept huh?

This community comes across as harsh because people who actually care about getting better are so fed up with pathetic noobs that just pick Scout or don't try, and just piss and moan and QQ.

No, this community comes across as harsh and mean because that's what it is. Yes there are noobs who won't try, but the OP already stated that he asks for help, but no one bothers to help him.

What's with all this "EFFORT! this isn't some game you play for fun, you play to WIN WIN WIN!"?
I can understand why you wouldn't want to spend your game typing, but with the actually excellent voice chat in this game, would it hurt you to just say "buy boots" or "go back, there's 5 of them and 1 of you"?
Don't tell me you have no mic, you just said you hate people who don't try! Not going for the cheap and vastly superior communication a mic is, is really the same as not trying.

I for one can't blame a new player for not wanting to plow through 100 pages of guides, just so he can play one game.

Large communities have a habbit of increasing jerk level in percentages as well as number of players. You don't expect to see someone again, so why be nice to him?
Don't try to defend this behaviour.

I can understand it if you tell someone he should be doing something different when what he's doing obviously isn't working, but "OMG STOP BEING A NOOB!" is not helping at all.

[InsaneOdin]

every player should learn to call things

like misses / runes / ganks
thats the main reason that people rage

if u say bot miss and call runes people will rage a lot less on u since they think u've got any knowledge of the game

after that u could c something like i'm not very familiar with the char so can u tell me a proper build order. Since u helped em with calling stuff they most likely not rage at u now

[archkyle]

try hosting your own game and putting <1500 in the title and only allow other low psr players to join. that should keep it down a bit.

admittedly i rage at noobs, but i play 1600+ games... lol

[syztem]

the only mature thing to do is act dumber than they are and make them more upset.