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gRnt
10-07-2009, 08:08 PM
Hi all I was wondering how best to go about getting my PSR to an acceptable level to start playing harder games? I currently have a PSR of around 1500, though I typically play newb only SD or SDEM games at the moment. Problem with these is that they are so hit and miss. It takes 1 person to feed a character like arachna on the opposing team early and it is pretty well over for us. I can still maintain a decent KDR for the match but I think it is the loss that effects my PSR.

I don't know anyone that I can play with during Aus timezone (which is a pain as I would love a lane partner) so is all I can do is just keep playing and hope to get lucky with the wins? I'd like to improve by player a higher tier of game that is all and so far I have had no luck with picking up people to play with here on the forums so it looks like I am stuck on my own.

Hippie
10-07-2009, 08:22 PM
First of all, if you want to play in higher level games stop playing EM. It teaches you horrible habits that don't hold up in any decent games.

Second of all, SD is less than favorable as well - in a match of even players, the team who made better picks will usually win, and in SD everyone isn't drawing from the same hero pool.

Finally, the only option to raise your PSR is to win. In pubs, make sure you have a carry who can carry. Try to talk to your team and get decent team composition, not the usual Scout/Arachna/Madman/Slither/Valkyrie that you see in the 1500ish bracket. Again, make sure your carry player can actually carry, and if you're not sure pick a support/soft carry so that you can pick up the slack.

Honestly, so much of getting a good PSR is based around your team, so the best option is this: get some friends.

pntaooo1
10-07-2009, 08:24 PM
play 2x2, or 3x4 =)

FiNGERS
10-07-2009, 08:24 PM
Winning games works for me!

gRnt
10-07-2009, 08:26 PM
so the best option is this: get some friends.

I figured as much, and what would you recommend over SD games? I hate AP games, they typically see everyone pick their favourite imba toon so you come up against a valk, swiftblade mandman, nighthound and scout oh or moon queen team in the 1500 hundred bracket and meh its just annoying.

bobbyflay
10-07-2009, 08:26 PM
an easy way to win alone is to win the solo mid, then gank the lanes to solidify victory for your team. If you win the ganks, your team will win. If you don't, its a hit or miss.

Thing is, if you think your psr should be higher, you should be able to win solo mid, and win the ganks consistently. This leads to a significant advantage mid/late game where you really can not lose. If they have a tempest, **** up his blink dagger timing by ganking jungle. If you notice your allies just plain suck balls, pretend they dont exist in teamfights and engage as such. Give them tips on how not to die in a complimentary way as well. Its not too hard to get at least 1600, some tidbits of skill will get you to 1700 and by then, most people will be better than you are given your circumstances, and will be able to lead you into higher level play.

If you cant solo mid, lane the short lane and win it. Typically, the short lane has the most trouble, and if you can win it your team is a lot better off.

Darkstrand
10-07-2009, 08:27 PM
Learn hero picks, and try to play RD games with people who have the mindset to win.

Shadowcamsy
10-07-2009, 08:28 PM
Make sure you play with people around your psr as well, if you join games with 1200/1300 people you wont gain as much psr.

Ruscour
10-07-2009, 08:29 PM
Win?

Trig
10-07-2009, 08:32 PM
You mean that number next to me name can go up as well? Dam..

RTBardic
10-07-2009, 10:03 PM
This might sound counter-intuitive, but try to play games with people higher than yourself. You gain more and lose less when you win that way. The catch to this is that unless your skill is higher than your PSR represents, you have a very small shot of pulling that off.

ZombieFewd
10-07-2009, 10:06 PM
Get carried through so that when you do join those games then you... well, I'll leave that up to your imagination. Just had a guy at 1800 who absolutely blew.

Alhanalem
10-07-2009, 10:55 PM
best way to raise PSR? Win, and win against people of similar/higher psr. Well, techncially that's the only way. But I can't really offer any advice that's specific to PSR, given that anything that is likely to help your PSR (help you win) is just going to be general tips for playing the game.

Hippie
10-07-2009, 11:00 PM
Yeah, as people have said, I'd recommend RD.

Sahyduna
10-07-2009, 11:03 PM
The best absolute way to gain psr is to make sure your team as a really, really low percentage to win, and win. Also, if u loose you loose very little psr yourself.

Thats all. Bad system.

Fiesta
10-07-2009, 11:10 PM
1. Get 2nd Beta Account.
2. Feed in-Game with Account 2.
3. ????
4. Profit.

Tripwyr
10-07-2009, 11:32 PM
Play RD, don't play EM, and practice. That's all you can really do.

`Entice
10-08-2009, 12:29 AM
I figured as much, and what would you recommend over SD games? I hate AP games, they typically see everyone pick their favourite imba toon so you come up against a valk, swiftblade mandman, nighthound and scout oh or moon queen team in the 1500 hundred bracket and meh its just annoying.

That is one of the worst team setups I've heard of. Counter with pestilence (lol, 3 heroes near worthless), some decent support ::cough::shaman::cough::, throw in an Axe to duo with shaman to screw over 1 lane. Defiler to totally screw over any chance of them casting spells in team battles, and Panda for a stun carry.

If a valk/swiftblade/madman/scout/moonqueen team wins in a non-em game...your team is doing something severely wrong. Get wards, get dust, and dont let madman farm. >.>

gipp2
10-08-2009, 01:19 AM
make friends
or
join XXXX+ games and ***** out the host when his 2 other friends dont meet the intended PSR requirement
or
be on the lowest win % side

and

dont play AP unless you and your friends are really fast at picking your dominating lineup and hope the super friends on the other team dont have one in mind too.

ProfOak
10-08-2009, 01:33 AM
While we're talking about it, I know this is a bit off-topic, but what's an "imba" hero, and how come non-EM is so much better than EM?

InsaneOdin
10-08-2009, 01:43 AM
imbalanced hero

scout for example perma stun disarm
scout with basher/ias is wotta**** ofcourse can be easily countered by pest/wards

em gives u twice the xp and gold

in easy mode u can get €2 per second? in non em u gain 1 thus makes it harder to just stand around and wait for that extra 60 since u lose xp by the time u waste

xp is halved to donno sure about that its less tho

ISMFOF
10-08-2009, 02:02 AM
1. Get 2nd Beta Account.
2. Feed in-Game with Account 2.
3. ????
4. Profit.
This.

PurpleJesus
10-08-2009, 02:59 AM
If you are playing alone, you really don't have much control over anything besides your own decisions in game. IE- Hero choice, YOUR gameplay, item builds, etc. That being said... do anything and everything in your power to win the game. Play the role that your team needs you to play. If your team needs support, you guessed it, pick a support hero and support the **** out of your team. If you are playing a key initiator(tempest, mag, behemoth, kraken) make good initiations and win team fights for your side. If you happen to pick a carry then you best know your builds and CARRY YOUR TEAM. I have been winning a lot of SD lately in random pubs. Is it all me? Probably not, but I am doing everything I can to win. Also, in the pre-game lobby, check stats, if you end up on a team with a bunch of players that have shitty KDRs, and the host starts the game, you might consider leaving the game. If you are really serious about your PSR that will probably help you avoid some potential losses.

BigHustles
10-08-2009, 03:06 AM
OKAY! Before you go any further, you should check out some posts on how PSR is calculated.

You really only want to play with people that are right around the same PSR as you. What happens when you join a game with people on your team that are much higher PSR, they will gain more for that match than you will, AND, if you lose, you will lose MORE PSR than they will. Kind of crazy at first but S2 really wants players to play balanced games.

What happened to me was that I would play lots of games with my friends, but also play lots of pubs on the side. I'd always try to make rooms with people with higher psr's than what I had because I wanted to play more skilled opponents. It wasnt worth it though because when my team would lose, I would take a huge hit. I didnt realize this until recently so now, when I play with my friends, my PSR is much lower than theirs because I used to pub lots of games with people with higher PSRs, and of course I'm stuck in the lower ranges dealing with epic noobs.

So what you want to do is be really sure you're going to win when you play with people that have high psrs, or just play people with the same psr as you and let it work out on its own. While it sounds lame, if you're a good player, then you wont stay at that level for that long since you'll be carrying your team to vicotry.

Sorry if its too "tl,dr"

Boves
10-08-2009, 03:15 AM
Only problem is that to play in decent games you need a decent psr, which is what i'm struggling with. I go fine in higher games, it's the lower ones i suffer in!

Boves
10-08-2009, 03:16 AM
Double post sorry

kuroYMT
10-09-2009, 01:52 PM
Let me clarify why EM is not the way HoN or DotA should be played:

1. Too much gold

Having an excess of gold allows bad players to form bad habits and think that the way they are playing is OK because by 30 minutes they will still farm their 3 tier 4 items. This system punishes good players while helps bad players still stay on the same gold level as their enemies.

2. Too much EXP

The experience gained is tremendous, especially if you solo. And agility and strength heroes are extremely favored over intellect heroes in this system. That's why pub carry heroes who are typically fragile and not used shine in EM. They level extremely quickly. INT heroes' spells lose their power as the game progresses at an expedited pace. And STR/AGI heroes strengthen their passive abilities. So once midgame arrives, INT heroes are useless, agi heroes can autoattack to victory, and the game becomes quite boring/stalemate. Lastly, HoN is all about the team game and the fast-paced ganks that dictate a game. Ganks mean **** in EM. If you gank a hero successfully, the dead hero will see minimal consequences. They still have **** tons of gold, they can easily get that lost EXP back. Furthermore, it's worse for the team that successfully ganked. They could have obtained more exp from just staying in a lane. They're efforts are thwarted by a shitty exp, gold system.

3. Bad players

If you want to play with bad players, play EM.

4. Games last longer

What? Yes, games last longer. Every hero will get their tier 4 item and it will just become a stalemate in the end. 5 heroes on each team with HoT, Lifesteal, and crits will be quite boring.

PIEANDPIE
10-09-2009, 02:10 PM
1 v 1 game works for me