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TifanyLini
10-06-2009, 07:07 PM
I know people say ss in place of mia. what the hell does it mean?
Sukari
10-06-2009, 07:10 PM
Really? I thought people say SS in place of Ulti (4th skill)..
Well if it helps, MIA = Missing in Action, another way to call missing in lanes.
Pyrate
10-06-2009, 07:13 PM
its a really stupid way of saying miss, stupid because SS means soul stealer
Sukari
10-06-2009, 07:15 PM
its a really stupid way of saying miss, stupid because SS means soul stealer
Maybe soul stealer was missing!
Hmm.. yeah I don't get SS, miSS.. then most people would say MS at most..
I still think it means Ulti.
Gimpedmidget
10-06-2009, 07:18 PM
It's the best method for reporting a missing lane opponent, quick enough not to disturb laning.
Why would it mean ulti?
Reonhato
10-06-2009, 07:19 PM
actually the best way is to get a ui mod and add a button to do it for you
Pyrate
10-06-2009, 07:19 PM
its not the best method, if you cant type miss in .1 seconds you are doing it wrong, SS is just confusing to a lot of people, especially if there is a Soul Stealer in the game
Azgalor
10-06-2009, 07:24 PM
It's the best method for reporting a missing lane opponent, quick enough not to disturb laning.
Why would it mean ulti?
Gunbound!
Why not just use the in-game VoIP. even if it's bad quality you can still call missing.
Sukari
10-06-2009, 07:34 PM
Gunbound!
Why not just use the in-game VoIP. even if it's bad quality you can still call missing.
Yeah pretty much.
SS is the super in gunbound, super = ulti. Haha.
I actually asked someone in game when he said "use SS!" and we asked "gunbound?" "Yeah!"
edanF
10-06-2009, 07:36 PM
Here are the common jargons that you will encounter while playing the game
Miss = Missing
Care = Take Care
Btm = Bottom Lane
Mid = Middle Lane
Top = Top Lane
SS = Ultimate Skill or Last Skill
MIA = Missing In Action
B = Pull Back / Back
P = Push
G = Gank
Rax = Barracks
It's the best method for reporting a missing lane opponent, quick enough not to disturb laning.
Why would it mean ulti?
Actually, the best way is to talk in your ****ing microphone.
Azgalor
10-06-2009, 08:07 PM
Here are the common jargons that you will encounter while playing the game
Miss = Missing
Care = Take Care
Btm = Bottom Lane
Mid = Middle Lane
Top = Top Lane
SS = Ultimate Skill or Last Skill
MIA = Missing In Action
B = Pull Back / Back
P = Push
G = Gank
Rax = Barracks
You forgot RE = returned
Memphis_Doom
10-06-2009, 09:07 PM
WTB new acronyms/abbreiviations for HoN gameplay.
PoopyDesires
10-06-2009, 09:08 PM
Here are the common jargons that you will encounter while playing the game
Miss = Missing
Care = Take Care
Btm = Bottom Lane
Mid = Middle Lane
Top = Top Lane
SS = Ultimate Skill or Last Skill
MIA = Missing In Action
B = Pull Back / Back
P = Push
G = Gank
Rax = Barracks
Btm? You mean bot.
Tripwyr
10-06-2009, 09:30 PM
Using the in-game VoIP is not ideal, and I will explain why.
When I'm at bottom harassing people, I'm usually zoned out from most of the chatter coming from the mics. This is because I'm very good at watching what is around me and keeping myself alive. Once I stop or back off a little from the harassment, I usually press "z" to check the chat for any missing calls. If you called it in VoIP, I probably didn't hear it. This isn't something I can fix, and it is limiting, but that's the way it is. I'm very focused when I'm doing something, and unfortunately I usually miss auditory cues, and I know this isn't an uncommon disability.
Secondly, calling missing over VoIP does not leave any reminders. I regularly check the chat log to refresh my memory on calls, especially if I'm about to play aggressively or push forward for the side shop. If I see a miss in chat, but not a re, then I'm more careful and make sure not to be too aggressive or push too far until I see a re, or see the missing player in another lane. If you call it over VoIP, I won't see this reminder and will start playing aggressively, often resulting in my death.
As for using ss to kill missing, this is usually used by people who have customized bindings. In order to press enter(or return) on most keyboards, you must lift one of your hands away from their normal position. This is not ideal for many reasons, but the most important being reaction speed.
Assume you are Magebane, and you're calling missing. All of a sudden a hammer flies out of the forest. If your hand is off your mouse pressing enter, you're going to need to move it back before you can click to target blink. Too late. Hammer hit you and now pyro is running in to follow up with a stun. You're dead.
By using a custom chat binding, you can re-bind the chat to something else such as space bar. By doing this, you're able to press the following keys: Spacebar, s, s, (your send key). All of this can be done without removing your hand from the keyboard. However, if you use enter, you have to do this: Move hand, press enter, move hand, m, i, a, move hand, press enter. This is much slower, and while still only a fraction of a second, that is a fraction of a second less time spent off the mouse if you use custom keybindings.
I hope this helps explain why people do it.
Thysios
10-07-2009, 01:16 AM
Assume you are Magebane, and you're calling missing. All of a sudden a hammer flies out of the forest. If your hand is off your mouse pressing enter, you're going to need to move it back before you can click to target blink. Too late. Hammer hit you and now pyro is running in to follow up with a stun. You're dead.
If the hammer came flying out of the forest (Assuming you can't even see Hammerstorm for one), you would not be able to react fast enough to blink away. takes like half a second for the hammer to hit, human reaction time would not be able to press blink, make sure you're blinking into a safe area and clicking.
Where did SS and RE come from anyway. I never saw them in DotA. SS just seems stupid how hard is it to type Miss or MIA unless you're really slow at typing
As for moving your hands away from the mouse to type. It's not hard to type with your left hand.
IMO I've never liked SS since i saw it. Also because its used for SoulStealer.
Does it actually stand for anything or is it just short for miSS
King_Fear
10-07-2009, 01:41 AM
It's even more funny when people are calling you out on using the "wrong" missing calls. Someone actually started trashtalking me because I use the mia abbreviation.
Bormanico
10-07-2009, 01:46 AM
i always thought it said suck ****, i got some apologizing to do.
I used VOIP once to call misses throughout the early-game as mid solo against a Wretched Hag only to be shouted at by my teammate at bottom for not calling a miss. Upon informing him that I had been calling them over mic I was politely informed that:
'mic sucks balls'
'i have it turned off'
'type it you idiot'
(paraphrased but close to verbatim)
Ahh... I love the internet =\
Bobnintendo
10-07-2009, 06:50 AM
If the hammer came flying out of the forest (Assuming you can't even see Hammerstorm for one), you would not be able to react fast enough to blink away. takes like half a second for the hammer to hit, human reaction time would not be able to press blink, make sure you're blinking into a safe area and clicking.
Where did SS and RE come from anyway. I never saw them in DotA. SS just seems stupid how hard is it to type Miss or MIA unless you're really slow at typing
As for moving your hands away from the mouse to type. It's not hard to type with your left hand.
IMO I've never liked SS since i saw it. Also because its used for SoulStealer.
Does it actually stand for anything or is it just short for miSS
What? Human reaction time is more than a half second? I think us gamers have much faster reaction.
Tripwyr
10-07-2009, 10:04 AM
If your reaction speed is more than half a second, you need a new hobby.
Killroy
10-07-2009, 10:09 AM
SS is somehow the new standard to say miss and I never understood why. I normally type -1 or -2 and care/miss. So I hope everytime you see this abbreviation tell them to not use it since it is vague and missleading.
Tripwyr
10-07-2009, 11:51 AM
SS is somehow the new standard to say miss and I never understood why. I normally type -1 or -2 and care/miss. So I hope everytime you see this abbreviation tell them to not use it since it is vague and missleading.
That is an extremely narrow-minded thing to say. As outlined in my post, ss has a distinct advantage. Simply telling people not to use it is wrong, as it is not only advantageous for some people, but it is also the standard in some eastern countries.
TreeHorse
10-07-2009, 12:29 PM
That is an extremely narrow-minded thing to say. As outlined in my post, ss has a distinct advantage. Simply telling people not to use it is wrong, as it is not only advantageous for some people, but it is also the standard in some eastern countries.
Saying "ss" is not intuitive AT ALL to indicating that someone is missing from a lane. It has no common ground with any common words or phrases indicating absence.
What I am reading out of this is that the onus is on other players to adapt to your shortcomings as a HoN player. Teams have been using Vent/Teamspeak for at least a decade now in competitive gaming for good reason. It would be just as easy for you to move your index finger, hit T, and say "bot is missing X and Y." S2 has taken the time to implement their own VOIP so you don't even need to organize your team on a vent server.
If you're playing in a premade that's one thing, but expecting pubs to read your mind is just "narrow-minded."
Volshok
10-07-2009, 12:35 PM
When playing with my roommate for his first few games he thought that "SS" meant that Soulstealer was roaming around the map.
SS is not advantageous, intuitive, clear, at all.
Kaoshammer
10-07-2009, 12:38 PM
I thought SS stood for Secret Shop
Tripwyr
10-07-2009, 12:54 PM
It stands for all of the above. You need to be intelligent enough to distinguish them, and you can assume that when Soulstealer is on the opposing team, SS is referring to him and not missing.
It is surprising that someone would link the use of "ss" to short comings as a HoN player. Sorry, but if someone using "ss" is a short coming in your eyes, you need to re-evaluate. Using "ss" is actually advantageous when you set it up properly, and is obviously an effort to improve playing ability.
If improving your playing ability is a short-coming... well enjoy your low-mid level games.
Kaoshammer
10-07-2009, 12:59 PM
This is why VOIP is a godsend. Unlike Mr. "I'm too focused to pay attention to people when they're talking to me and on my team", a good MIA call over voip is much more informative than anything you can possibly type out in the same amount of time. All it takes are players that are paying attention.
Tripwyr
10-07-2009, 01:05 PM
Secondly, calling missing over VoIP does not leave any reminders. I regularly check the chat log to refresh my memory on calls, especially if I'm about to play aggressively or push forward for the side shop. If I see a miss in chat, but not a re, then I'm more careful and make sure not to be too aggressive or push too far until I see a re, or see the missing player in another lane. If you call it over VoIP, I won't see this reminder and will start playing aggressively, often resulting in my death.
Explain how VoIP solves this problem then.
Additionally, to address the previous poster, some of us have disabilities. Some of them prevent us from listening to VoIP while focusing heavily, some of them limit our memory.
We try to cope with it, and work around it. When people like yourself decide that we're inferior, it makes me worry about the regression of society on the internet.
You wouldn't do it to someone in a wheelchair, don't do it to us.
Thanks.
Kaoshammer
10-07-2009, 01:14 PM
Explain how VoIP solves this problem then.
Additionally, to address the previous poster, some of us have disabilities. Some of them prevent us from listening to VoIP while focusing heavily, some of them limit our memory.
We try to cope with it, and work around it. When people like yourself decide that we're inferior, it makes me worry about the regression of society on the internet.
You wouldn't do it to someone in a wheelchair, don't do it to us.
Thanks.
So in other words, let's say you're deaf. No voip listening for you. Not a matter of paying attention or not. Understandable.
If you're deaf, then you tell the other players. They know you're deaf, so they accommodate.
Let's say you have some disability where you can only focus on one thing at a time. You can tell your teammates, but sure enough, if that's a big problem, noone's going to want to play competatively with you. It's not about being prejudiced against those with disabilities, it's all about "We can't win with you on our team, so we're not playing with you." It's a competative game, to think that there's some reason this wouldn't be true, would just be naive.
At the exact same time, if you can play really well despite your disabilities, the one who needs to accommodate is you. YOU have to tell the team you can't hear, or can't pay attention. It's not anyone's responsibility to cater to a minority.
But we're talking about the majority here. VOIP is superior in every way. If you need a reminder that someone is MIA, that means there's a good chance it's too late for you anyway. A good mia call may mean a few seconds to react. If you're too busy focusing on a certain play to pay attention to a VOIP call or even a text call, then you're gonna die. Plain and simple.
Not to mention the fact that I know plenty of people with disabilities who can excel with plenty of things. It's the ones who blame their disabilities for their shortcomings who are truly inferior.
Volshok
10-07-2009, 01:15 PM
Explain how VoIP solves this problem then.
Additionally, to address the previous poster, some of us have disabilities. Some of them prevent us from listening to VoIP while focusing heavily, some of them limit our memory.
We try to cope with it, and work around it. When people like yourself decide that we're inferior, it makes me worry about the regression of society on the internet.
You wouldn't do it to someone in a wheelchair, don't do it to us.
Thanks.
Man, I thought you were actually serious. I will however congratulate you on well done trolling. The disability/wheelchair comparison was too much though, not even I am going to fall for it.
Kaoshammer
10-07-2009, 01:17 PM
Man, I thought you were actually serious. I will however congratulate you on well done trolling. The disability/wheelchair comparison was too much though, not even I am going to fall for it.
Funny you should say that
TreeHorse
10-07-2009, 01:21 PM
Explain how VoIP solves this problem then.
Additionally, to address the previous poster, some of us have disabilities. Some of them prevent us from listening to VoIP while focusing heavily, some of them limit our memory.
We try to cope with it, and work around it. When people like yourself decide that we're inferior, it makes me worry about the regression of society on the internet.
You wouldn't do it to someone in a wheelchair, don't do it to us.
Thanks.
So basically I was 100% correct when I said that you are expecting the other players on your team to adapt to your play style.
In my experience, text chat is a nuisance that most gamers would rather not deal with. I would rather hear a verbal call because let's face it, how many times have I been yelled at for not calling MIA when in fact I did type it out? It happens all the time. It's much harder (for most players) to miss a verbal call than a written one.
Anyway, this thread is getting ugly fast. I will say that you've done me a favor by explaining what 'ss' means... if I see it in a pub I'll be that much better off. ;)
Tripwyr
10-07-2009, 01:36 PM
So basically I was 100% correct when I said that you are expecting the other players on your team to adapt to your play style.
That is not my intent. I'm sure to tell people who I play with that they need to type missing calls. I'm simply defending those who may have the same problem as I do, it is much less uncommon than people think.
I understand that VoIP is superior for some people, and I do play on vent most of the time. However, some people do not have mics or for other reasons can not use a vocal system. (sleeping roommates, excessive background noise, etc.) For these people, "ss" is sometimes superior to "mia" due to the reduced hand movement. Many people would agree that the less you need to move your hand, the better. After all, you don't see me changing my spell keybinds to v, b, n, m.
I'll admit the wheelchair comparison was over the top. However, my intent is not to troll. My apologies for taking it a little bit too far. Hopefully people understand my position by this point. The goal is to prevent people from discriminating against those who for one reason or another use the call "ss" or ask you to type calls.
Kaoshammer
10-07-2009, 03:37 PM
SS sure as hell isn't a very good indicator for anyone that speaks English.
That being said, MIA probably isn't a very good one for other languages.
A negative number is pretty informative in comparison. Hell, even a positive number is informative... but again it comes to the point that people who aren't actually familiar with this format WON'T GET IT. I saw a "-2" in one game. I had no idea wtf that meant. The whole thing here comes down to language, with that being said, then the best version to use is probably based on the language of majority.
Seeing as this is an English game, I'd think it's safe to say the majority of players would at least have an understanding of English (not necessarily a tight grasp or fluency, and understanding of basic English will suffice). That being said, saying SS would probably be LESS understood than MIA or MISS. It's simple matter of statistics.
Tripwyr
10-07-2009, 03:57 PM
While less understood, discussing and raising awareness can only lead to good things. Speaking from a min/max perspective, "ss" is the most efficient call. Normally I call "mia <location>", but when I'm in the middle of something and can't afford to move my hand so much, I use "ss." I did have to explain it to some of the friends I play with, but the fact is that most people after ~50 games will know what it means.
Thysios
10-07-2009, 06:04 PM
What? Human reaction time is more than a half second? I think us gamers have much faster reaction.
Never said it wasn't faster then half a second. But if Hammerstorm is close enough for his hammer to hit you, and you can't see him. I doubt your going to be able to react fast enough to blink the instant you see a hammer coming at you from the fog, you could get really lucky if the hammer happened to be at its max range possible, but then you would most likely already be able to see Hammerstorm in the first place.
On topic-
I find it's better to call out how many are missing from your lane
and to warn another lane if they might be heading there.
If I see someone heading to top I don't just say SS, MIA or mid miss
usually say 1/2 mid miss, care top or something similar.
1/2 heading top from mid.
May take an extra half a second to type then SS :O, but also might save more peoples lives.
Tripwyr
10-07-2009, 06:08 PM
Never said it wasn't faster then half a second. But if Hammerstorm is close enough for his hammer to hit you, and you can't see him. I doubt your going to be able to react fast enough to blink the instant you see a hammer coming at you from the fog, you could get really lucky if the hammer happened to be at its max range possible, but then you would most likely already be able to see Hammerstorm in the first place.
If you're calling missing on Hammerstorm, you're likely aware that he might be coming for you.
Seriously though, if you're that slow you need to do some sort of reaction training. Play something like an FPS or Left4Dead, it helps a lot with reaction speed.