I get pwned using Pandamonium

[pandascope]

Starting item
+3 str claws (x2)
2 mana pots
2 runes of blight

Then I start farming for steamboots and runed axe. The problem is, my team expects me to initiate every single fight so everytime I cannonball in team fight, I'm always the first one to die.

I end up buying bracers and not be able to farm my runed axe or shrunken head.

Even when I fight someone 1 on 1, i start off with ult, flick, furry x4, and end with cannonball. The problem is, the opponent wont die even after I put everything I got. I'm left with no mana and end up dying.

I seriously need some advice on playing this hero.

[Reonhato]

tell your team mates to **** off

[orixz]

Even when I fight someone 1 on 1, i start off with ult, flick, furry x4, and end with cannonball. The problem is, the opponent wont die even after I put everything I got. I'm left with no mana and end up dying.

Sounds like you are underlevelled at that stage... Need to work on your early game and farm better

[Drasha]

Buy insanitarius not a runed ax and you will do much better in 1v1.

[Dyne]

I usually Flick first to get their armor reduced.

Flick -> Canonball -> Flurry -> Ult

Most of the time I dont need to Ult, as a level 4 Flurry destroys squishies that I tend to go after.

Early game try to get a couple cheap kills using Flick with a competent partner. It's really easy to do and very effective. If you're paired with someone that has a stun it's even easier to do. Start off with Flick, partner stuns, then you stun if need be. They're usually dead real quick though.

[inew]

here is an easy build for noob....

Skill: max out first skill first then ult once yo ureach it and then finish maxing out the third skill after that just get stats.

Items: start : scout shield and 2 tree eater
then : boot and 2 bracer
then : get manatube+lifetube ( manatube first)
then: get enchanted marcher
then: finsh vanguard
then: the rune axe
then: heart or deso
then i don't know lol depend on you.

[Tinithor]

I would really suggest NOT getting a Helm of the black Legion on him as the poster above me says to, and here is the reasoning, Panda is a ganker/carry, which means hes meant for damage, a helm gives him none of that, now he also needs to survive this is true, but a shaman's headress would do that much better (or a shrunken head which is what you probably really SHOULD get unless the enemy team is heavy caster) If you can get a shrunken head and an insanitarius you can do ALOT of damage in teamfights, then follow it up with a behemoth's heart, and you'll be doing amaing ^^ (For the mana problems get a Power Supply and save up charges for when you need that clutch ultimate or a couple more Flurry attacks)

[HOONdeSOON]

Oh my the build that works for me is:
Skills: Max out Canonbal first then Furry. Lvl 6 you get one point in Ult.
After those max out flurry. get lvl 2 and 3 ulti on lvl 15-18 whenever you feel liek you have enough mana.

Items:
Start with Loggers Hatch + Stoutshield + Blights.
Lasthit your way to Lifetube and Manabattery from sideshop.
Then get Manatube + Enhanced Marchers.
Thats my core build. From now it depends:
If its a hard enemy lineup with lot of disablers i go Shrunken and Nullstone. This fix mana Survivability and give good +str
Other build i use against more dps dependant builds:
Nullstone then Desolator.

Its realy important that you Lasthit your Marchers + Sustainer + Manabattery in some 15-20 Minutes MAX!! SO at 25-28 minutes you need to have your Shrunken/Nullstone finished.
You will get kills by chainstuns in sideganks.
And later use Shrunken + FLurry + Ult to pick one out in teamfights (hopefully maindisabler) and then use Fury strikes to finish them off.
Cananball is a GREAT spell to survive ganks by jumping over a cliff or into the Trees and then start imediatly to too tp!!
Special tip.. Use Furry to kick aways chaising enemy heros too save allys with only 40 mana!

gl he just needs soem train but he is reaaaaaly awsome if played right.

[`Assist]

Get logger hatchet so you can last hit creep better.

If you are farming good, get desolator (or whatever it is called here)

If you are not farming good, get life + mana tube, then turn them to rune axe.

Get shrunken head so that when you land your cannon ball, you can still get out alive.

ALWAYS use your ulti on their carry, together with shrunken head, that practically disable him for 5 secs

[Blitzl0l]

Stop getting runed axe. His ult does huge damage with shield breaker, and it increases his flurry damage. Insanitarius is also a much better choice than runed axe.

[Nydus]

But getting that early perseverance is so nice for him. if you get it right before phase boots you're golden. you can easy farm the phase boots then run around ganking like it's your job. finishing the bfury is just natural at that point, since your only real other options is null stone (linkens), and that's not nearly as good of a choice. Not only that, but this is a much easier farm. so easy that you can still get your shieldbreaker if you so choose (though i'd go crit stick, probably).

[Gimpedmidget]

^
Blocking the stuns that will interrupt you powerhouse ulti if you haven't got a shrunken head to rely on, while giving you near infinite mana and a lot better tank isn't good on him?

[Sukari]

Always flick first unless it's a team battle, if it's 1v1, flick then flurry, exploit the -armour!!

[Shadowcamsy]

I like to start with a great arcana for farming early game, then you can go insanitarius, shrunken head and finish your harkon's blade. Problem is, this gives him 7 activatables so I really dont recommend playing with him until you get the hang of some more straightforward carries ilke madman.

[Travakh]

Panda is a difficult hero to play well because he requires advanced levels of battle and map awareness to gank properly, and good mana management in the early game.

[ZyGote]

^
Blocking the stuns that will interrupt you powerhouse ulti if you haven't got a shrunken head to rely on, while giving you near infinite mana and a lot better tank isn't good on him?

null stone is useless imo. Just throw a stupid spell like a DoT at them and it's another 20 seconds before you rinse repeat. No competent player wlil throw a stun at you FIRST if you have a null.

[Desuuuu]

Even when I fight someone 1 on 1, i start off with ult, flick, furry x4, and end with cannonball. The problem is, the opponent wont die even after I put everything I got. I'm left with no mana and end up dying.


You shouldn't start with your ult. What I normally do is the following:

Flick them behind you.
Immediately Cannonball them.
Flurry x 4.
Ultimate.

If they aren't dead, by the time your ult is up, you should have a couple more charges on Flurry after all that's happened.

[Anosou]

Panda is a difficult hero to play well because he requires advanced levels of battle and map awareness to gank properly, and good mana management in the early game.

This is very true. His skills are both mana intensive and slightly hard to manage because they all require precise placement to be as effective as possible. Playing Pandamonium as an intiator definitely WORKS but your team mates have to be in there right away and back you up.

For example if you've got Jera, Plague Rider, Demented or similar in your team you have to make sure they shield you and back you up with heals. A Shrunken Head will also help immensly when initiating with Panda.

It's also good to find a good flowchart for your skills. Panda has plenty of options here. Intiating with flick+stun or just stun is great, then land some Q hits, use your ult on a key enemy (carry or similar). By now your Q skill should be ready again so use it to finish them off. This is definitely easier with backup too.

I haven't played Panda that much but I wish you good luck mastering him, I personally think he's hard to play ;)

[Xitras]

You shouldn't start with your ult. What I normally do is the following:

Flick them behind you.
Immediately Cannonball them.
Flurry x 4.
Ultimate.

If they aren't dead, by the time your ult is up, you should have a couple more charges on Flurry after all that's happened.

Andromeda - Surf the Stars! You are carry guide for a carry Andromeda. I loled.

[Travakh]

It's also good to find a good flowchart for your skills. Panda has plenty of options here. Intiating with flick+stun or just stun is great, then land some Q hits, use your ult on a key enemy (carry or similar). By now your Q skill should be ready again so use it to finish them off. This is definitely easier with backup too.


Flick->Cannonball, Flurry twice in the duration of the stun, Facesmash, Flurry four times out of the face smash disable

Cannonball->Flick->Facesmash immediately on the flick landing

Blink in->Flick->Flurry 4x to push towards your team->Cannonball second target, facesmash

I'm writing an in depth Panda battle guide with illustrations to make these more intuitive but Panda has very good battle control.

[Anosou]

Flick->Cannonball, Flurry twice in the duration of the stun, Facesmash, Flurry four times out of the face smash disable

Cannonball->Flick->Facesmash immediately on the flick landing

Blink in->Flick->Flurry 4x to push towards your team->Cannonball second target, facesmash

I'm writing an in depth Panda battle guide with illustrations to make these more intuitive but Panda has very good battle control.

Yeah, exactly. He's got tons of options really, I was just mentioning one. Learning which "combo" is best when will be key to playing a good Panda.

[Bobdoyle]

Bracerx2
enhanced Marchers
Power Supply
Runed Axe
Shieldbreaker

(shruken head if u have time)

If i dont think i can land a stun off ill just pick a target out of the group and flick and focus him

I always save flurry for the finishing blow so canoonball then ult and flurry last

[Ryoki]

I don't know about you guys, but a bottle early game works great for me!

[Bobnintendo]

Do not get runed axe. You are actually a 1on1 hero, of course you can attack multiple enemies with your Flurry but this is hard as hell. Actually you are going to Cannonball into the fight, isolate you and another enemy from the fight by flickin / flurrying him away, and then bash on him with your ultimate. You don't need runed axe here. Many people say they like the runed axe for the manaregen but I never really thought that runed axe is such a good item for manaregen, 4.35k gold for 150% mana regen and 65 damage, the hp-regen is only a minor bonus and the splash is unnecessary.

I personally go for 2x Bracer, Enhanced Marchers, Ring of Sorcery (AKA Arcane Ring), Shieldbreaker and then Shrunken head. You will require lots of mana, thus the Ring, Shieldbreaker gives 60 damage for 4.4k gold, kind of like Runed Axe, but on top of it you will get the armor reduction, amplifying all of your spells' damage. And with the Shrunken Head no one can stop you from Bashing the enemies with your ultimate.

[chizomp]

PuZZLE BOX!!!! FLICK + ult and puzzle = GG