View Full Version : Good lane combo for use with a noob friend?
10-01-2009, 11:31 PM
A friend of mine is brand spanking new to HoN and he has little idea of what he's doing (he knows how to play, but he doesn't feel it as such, like, he won't get back unless I yell at him to do so).
Anyway, what heroes are good for total nubcakes? He's been playing Luna, but something that can survive those moments would be nice. And what would be a good partner for said hero?
10-01-2009, 11:45 PM
Have him use succubus.
Tell him to always keep mana high, hp high.
Very simple combo, just press R, W, and E, and sometimes Q. Even if he is total noob he should be able to press buttons and understand what the skills do.
Being ranged doesnt hurt either.
Succubus works with a lot of lane partners...usually solos but you dont have to.
10-02-2009, 12:29 AM
electrician is a good starting partner and babysitter for any hero. Demented shaman is another good sitter as well.
Probably should have him pick a ranged hero with some escape skills that he can enjoy. Of course, whatever he picks, he'll have to put in the work to understand the mechanics, otherwise games will always be painful.
10-02-2009, 01:26 AM
I recommend giving him a hero with an escape mechanism like madman or scout, make sure you tell him to focus on last hitting and getting gold for late game. You can play nymphora so you can give him mana and heal him.
10-02-2009, 01:36 AM
Madman + Nymphora.
10-02-2009, 02:26 AM
When I was new (not that long ago)...and I came to HoN..i had no only a few games of DoTA in my past so I was pretty much a clean slate.
My friend that I play with had a number of characters he liked using so he would pick based off what I wanted to use..and he just gave me free reign to pick what I wanted to and try it out.
I found that the easiest heroes for me to play and do well with were:
Night Hound has a passive stealth and only two abilities to abuse. His pounce and his smoke. Very simple character to micro and the stealth makes it easy to escape a fight that I am losing. He is easily countered with any number of anti stealth items but you will prolly be pubbing in mid/low tier matches until your friend gets the hang of things..so he should be able to do fairly well with night hound.
Succubus is great because she has uber control. its a very easy character to just hang back with and avoid putting yourself in danger. Additionally...early game you can easily defend yourself against 2 opponents using your ult, your hold, and your dd/heal. Its also nice for a new player because they feel very useful when they can hold someone for the rest of the team to destroy.
Accursed was my favorite hero and he is now my main guy as I attempt to get better at the game and learn to micro better. I liked accursed enough that I have decided to stick with him until I have him mastered. The great thing about accursed is that he is super durable early/mid game.. he has great support abilities.. and he is very forgiving of mistakes. With your ult auto-firing for you when your health gets low..it will save your ass when you do something stupid and get jumped. Your fire shield provides you with the means to be aggressive... charge into enemy creeps... and even charge into enemy heroes early/mid game. It also gives you a very useful dispel on a short timer, so no one is gonna complain that you picked Accursed.
So there are three options for your friend. One of them will allow him to kill people and escape bad situations, one of them will let him hang back and used ranged attacks and assist in killing enemy heroes.. and the last will let him be stupid, charge into the enemy, and tank it up like a pro.
Scout should NOT be played by absolute newbies!
They tend to stay perma invis and that way its a 4n5 and usually a sure loss.
Rather try support heroes like accursed or tanks like armaddon. glacius is probably also a good choice, since he can always help the team with his aura, regardless of how bad you play.
I'd rather have a 0/8 glacius with lvl 4 regen aura than a 3/0/0 perma invis scout kser...
10-02-2009, 03:28 AM
uhm uhm uhm uhm uhm swiftblade?
just use the spin to dodge magic and whatever
ulti isn't that hard to use to:P
forgot the rest but that can't be important
10-02-2009, 04:20 AM
I would assume durable support characters that aren't item dependent. last hits take some understanding early on as well as ability timing. don't let/make him play carries, as he won't have the gold to be important in the game. but jereziah/accursed/blacksmith/nymphora/demented shaman/succubus/thunder bringer... i think you get the point, these characters depend very little on items and there ability timing doesn't have to be spot on to be effective. there's others as well, these are just suggestions.
10-02-2009, 04:59 AM
personally i wouldn't use nymphora with him, he needs you to babysit, not pet his p-..well we'll leave that out.
Pick a hero that synergies with him, but requires him to do alot of the work, not you carrying him through.
So that he gains the experiance of how to operate on his own.
10-02-2009, 06:05 AM
Electrician + Swiftblade.
Get him to use Electrician.
10-02-2009, 06:42 AM
Thunderbringer is a very nice newbie friendly hero. My friend who usualy go 2/10/4 with other characters went 6/5/6 with him. All you need to do is to tell him to use his ultimate when someone gets away with low health.
10-02-2009, 07:37 AM
Electrician definatly, was the first hero I learnt and is great to expand and experiment with.
10-02-2009, 10:14 AM
my first one was accursed, cuz its easy with ulti, basicly a second life
10-02-2009, 10:43 AM
the most noob friendly heroes would be those who dont have huge roles in the team but can also do things from the side lines. ophelia would be one of these. usually a strength (tank like armadon or accursed or possibly maliken due to his escape and heal) or a hero with some form of escape ability/int (magebane, scout, night hound, wretched hag, succubus etc.) most of these heroes are moderately noob friendly (except magebane) if you just instruct them based off of your own knowledge on their playing roles than things should go smoothly.
10-02-2009, 10:47 AM
I would say ophelia would not be a good hero to lean with at all, you have to micro 2-4 other creeps with you at all times to be effective.
My roomate just started playing HoN with no dota experience and he learned playing succubus. I'd say that is probably the easiest starting point, and the most noob friendly hero. You have 1 long cc, a nuke that heals you, and an ulti that is incredible for many incounters.
10-02-2009, 11:03 AM
First things first. Have him buy a poor man's shield and the 350g +2 life regen. He'll be harder to kill so at least he's feeding less. Use Madman so he can slip into stealth to get away and he'll be all set.
10-02-2009, 03:11 PM
I've killed a lot been a newb with my newb friend using Pollywog binds + Swiftblade spin, working since lvl1. Also i found pollywog to be kinda of noob friendly if not in carry role. U stay back, use your disables as best as u can, put your wards and well, u did something usefull.
Another hero i liked a lot early and still do is demented shaman. Big range helps on survival and so do all of its skills. It works well with just anything.
GL to your friend
10-02-2009, 09:03 PM
I sent him the Beginner's Guide and he's picked up his game a bit. He's been playing Succubus and he's not doing too bad in noob only games, which is good.
He's pretty much got everything down except he always forgets that he should deny, and I still can't get him to not use Succubus Hold when something's going to die anyway -.-
10-02-2009, 09:23 PM
as some others have been saying, electrician is pretty nub friendly. Just till him to shackle in and second nuke whenever he can, while you land cursed ground and and hits in. Use casks to prolong the punishment if necessary for the kill. Usually, the enemy lane just gets dominated (if it doesnt have jeraziah)
10-04-2009, 05:02 AM
Anyone with stun/slow + swiftblade
magnus + jereziah
electriain + jereziah
jereziah + devourer
lego + nymph
Succubus + valk
hammerstorm + pyro
10-04-2009, 06:20 AM
Glacius is a good bet, even if he sucks he'll help the team with his aura. He's also got a disable which is easy to use, same with the slow. He can learn how to use blink effectively with the ultimate as well.
You can put him with someone like Swiftblade, who's also easy to use and can be quite devastating paired with Glacius' disable.
10-04-2009, 08:35 AM
I had a mate who was quite new to the game(this was in dota though) but I would just make him go for Omniknight(Jeraziah) and take a stunner or something for myself(I believe I played Tiny(Pebbles), for early game kills).
This was great for him cause I just yelled when he needed to use his heal on me, and he would in most of the cases get the kills.
10-04-2009, 08:47 AM
10-04-2009, 09:12 AM
Pesti and Demented Shaman is allot of fun.
10-04-2009, 04:48 PM
I am a noob myself , and I'm really liking to play with Demented Shaman , I think i'm doing nice job , trying not to get killed is one of the most important things you should tell your friend. (that's said from a noob)
At least don't get killed in an early game. It just sucks. :)
And not to be very aggressive I think is another step. Last hit and denying all the way , and he'll get used to it.
Hope I helped a little.
10-05-2009, 04:37 AM
Andromeda is ranged and has a low cd stun.
10-05-2009, 05:40 AM
Electrician is the most annoying support ever if you're facing him. A 10 year disable and then followed by a slow, all the while someone else like Madman buttrapes you.
Kinky electric bondage is kinky.