New Hero Spotlight: Amun-Ra!

[MsPudding]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRUt9ldgfnk
http://i.imgur.com/JwGLp.jpg

Development details: http://s2nome.wordpress.com/2011/06/01/hero-development-amun-ra/

[Noobylicious]

Yesh!

[Hikawa]

Fourth! Also, Skeleton King ultimate!! yay!! <3

[Norroar]

shoutout

ps edit:

In concept, this is pretty badass. In practice, he had three lives. Cue cries of imba! See, in the Super Beta Testers, skill level is fairly varied. It’s difficult to get a good semblance of a hero’s balance solely through test games. However, we do have a single objective test that, if passed, determines if a hero is imbalanced. This is a bit like a pregnancy test; if it fails, it doesn’t mean you’re not pregnant. It just means try again.

We call this the “Warchamp7 test”. The process is fairly simple. Stick Warchamp7 in a 5v5 with a new hero and see if he can get a positive K:D. Warchamp7 went immortal and got an annihilation. Woops, back to the drawing board.

[bobsayshello]

NO U

[Drakonis]

Heck yes.

[The0ch0]

Ok so i posted my prediction about this hero a while ago and i cant believe i was right lol

[Tristero]

HOLY CRAP!

[xNightm4nx]

Finally a new hero that seems to be
extremely fun to play :D

[Camonio]

Myrmidon new skin on the video =D

[Mad`Max]

Really well done video! Love the concept, and more skillshots = win!!

/cry for deleting my "first" post :( Low blow, Pudding!

[Zennousha]

I enjoyed basking in his presents.

[Radiohead]

Bask in my presents

[`Abra`]

nice

[Enervate]

So his ult requires him to have > 50% mana...and none of his abilities cost mana.

Cool.

[RazielXYZ]

Basking away in his presence. Or presents. Looks like he's gonna be fun to play.

[Tristero]

Its mumra?

[Kapura]

Leoric ultimate? I'm down.

[Riisoni]

So not a single of his spells use mana?

1st skill, 20% of hp.
2nd skill, 20% of hp.
3rd skill, passive.
Ultimate, REQUIRES you to have 50% of mana, but DOES NOT USE it.

If you buy int / manareg for him, you are doing it wrong :P

[fredster]

looks nice

[oOo]

Egypt flag please.

[Dugglesticks]

Holy eff what an uggly myrm skin, looks like it's straight imported from a wc3 naga :/

[Schirokko]

nice concept!
very interessted in the passive's numbers.

[wussupwussup]

Not a fan of the myrm skin, I also don't really understand the balance around mana. It doesn't look like he actually uses any at all...

[Death_Rattle]

o_o HOw fun!

[Rufshod]

This is awesome!!!

[Taiya]

Enough with the after death stuff.

[Pandam0n1um]

awesome s2 :pand::pand::pand:

[CabezaDeBolo]

Bask in his presents, bwahahaha, awesome

[Jenova26]

:RingOfSorcery: Core?

[ToushiX]

Nice hero concept, IMO i loved it another melee str hero to train with <3.
None of his skills seem to waste mana, only hp, and needing mana for the ultimate, he probably has mana(for his ultimate as i stated) and to use items like Shrunken Head.

[Collette]

So dumb... this hero is so dumb.. free token of life LMAO

[Arcadeus]

Bask in my presents! :O He look sick. Also, only his ult uses mana? O_O He better have a small int gain, or otherwise there is no way people will manaburn him in time

[Quillraven]

awesome hero concept. i like!

[MooseMoose]

Looks fun but a hero what doesn't use mana ;l

[BillMurray]

not to late to fix HUGE mistake…

Aluna

Amun-Ra

say them

now say them w/ foreign accent

now imagine picks/swaps… plz change the name. Ra is fine. i read the blog. Ra is FINE.

[RexlineB]

New kong area looks way to open.. just like they did with the base entrances.

booo

[Krasus]

"We call this the “Warchamp7 test”. The process is fairly simple. Stick Warchamp7 in a 5v5 with a new hero and see if he can get a positive K:D. Warchamp7 went immortal and got an annihilation. Woops, back to the drawing board."

HAHAHAH :D

[Sw1ft1]

I really liked the idea of the Gravekeeper. I hope there's still a chance of releasing that hero in some fashion.

[TheCrowing]

My question is, if Ra has token, which is used first when he dies, the token or his ulti?

[Riisoni]

Not a fan of the myrm skin, I also don't really understand the balance around mana. It doesn't look like he actually uses any at all...

It's only there to be countered by magebane / Nullfire Blade / Witch Slayer / Puzzlebox.

Since he effectively uses 0 mana. I bet he has around 10-15 start int and like 1.0-1.5 int gain per level. So 5-10 hits from nullfire blade and you are under 50%.

[sayenne]

check out mermaidon (female alternate myrmidon skin)! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRUt9ldgfnk&feature=player_detailpage#t=94s

[SPAAAARTA]

Myrm skin looks really nice, but rather long tail on her :p

[BillMurray]

My question is, if Ra has token, which is used first when he dies, the token or his ulti?

ult… has to be

[Miveal]

Looks great, but does he really aint use mana for casts?

[pakoito]

ult… has to be
Token + Refresher -> LOVE.

Die, ult, die again, token, refresher on full mana, die, ulti.


4 lives FTW.

[n0n]

Observatory or huge cannon at 3:45.. what?

EDIT FOR SAYENNE: Yes it's where the secret shop SHOULD be, but the secret shop looks nothing like that.

[sayenne]

Observatory or huge cannon at 3:45.. what?

secretshop

[Kaishink]

Owwwwwwwwwwwwwwww awsome hero!

[wata]

Cheers Nome!

[Ryuusan]

Huh, so they made Kongor's pit EASIER to access for Hellbourne? Pretty sure there's more to the map changes, but at 3:40 you can see the ramp has been changed and it seems like the pit was made slightly wider (or maybe it's just the same). Who knows.

Pretty excited for the new hero, the skills are pretty interesting. I was hoping the ult would be a bit more complex (like it was originally), but I have no problems with it. Thumbs up.

[huY]

Epic intro, awesome hero.

[Beleymn]

Thumbs down, new heroes when old one (silhuete for example) still not balanced.

[Hontourage]

hey s2, stop putting out trash heros and learn to balance previous ones

[Nehima]

I get the feeling this isn't gona be balanced.

[Calcifer]

Yay more heroes!!! Silhouette, Flux and Martyr still autobanned from some tourneys for being so new but yeah more heroessss!!!
Anyone want to pick Engineer, Fayde, Dark Lady, Blacksmith or Accursed? Wanna pick Scout Magebane or Bloodhunter? Maybe Sand Wraith, Dampeer or Chronos? Succubus, Ophelia, Jeraziah or Balphagore? Warbeast Pestilence or Keeper of the Forest... thats all I can think of off the top of my head ROFL...

Yeah we need more heroes much more than a good balance...

[pakoito]

Yay more heroes!!! Silhouette, Flux and Martyr still autobanned from some tourneys for being so new but yeah more heroessss!!!
Anyone want to pick Engineer, Fayde, Dark Lady, Blacksmith or Accursed? Wanna pick Scout Magebane or Bloodhunter? Maybe Sand Wraith, Dampeer or Chronos? Succubus, Ophelia, Jeraziah or Balphagore? Warbeast Pestilence or Keeper of the Forest... thats all I can think of off the top of my head ROFL...

Yeah we need more heroes much more than a good balance...
If I look for your messages from January will you be complaining about the lack of new heroes for the past three months and the IMBA of Sand Wraith, Fayde or Engineer?

[ShammySham]

Awesome looking hero. :O

And cool intro music. :D

[BeNlaDeN`]

SHOUT OUT TO SKELETON KING !!

Keep up the good work S2 well done !

[Subamaxi]

Myr's alt avata-ultimate-form looks like an inkfish? =O

[Bragdir]

Really not a fan of the fact that he doesn't use any mana = / I guess it can be balance if he got a really small manapool, but a little manacost wouldn't be too much, or? Oh well, just have to wait for Friday and see =)

[pakoito]

Really not a fan of the fact that he doesn't use any mana = / I guess it can be balance if he got a really small manapool, but a little manacost wouldn't be too much, or? Oh well, just have to wait for Friday and see =)
Something nominal like 50 and 50 like pharaoh has.

[Passthechips]

I wonder how he works with Insanitarius.

[Ghatid]

I can see chalice being a legit pick up, especially if he has a really small mana pool. If there's a MB who keeps killing you or someone with some nullfires, right before you die, you just BC it up and you're back ready to get some revenge.

[Zapy]

Will his skills remove Vindi's Dot?

[BlackDrag]

Boring trash that has nothing but nukes he's going to spam nonstop. At least looks like it.

I can see chalice being a legit pick up, especially if he has a really small mana pool. If there's a MB who keeps killing you or someone with some nullfires, right before you die, you just BC it up and you're back ready to get some revenge.

He has 200 mana for sho

[TaySwiftblad]

another hero what a ****ing surprise

[Rocko]

I'm not really sure if this new hero is merely to start a mana denial trend into the game. It would be nice to see items/heroes that can achieve this effect.

Assuming he isn't banned and comes out as a viable pick - players will have to pick/build around him meaning a stronger presence of nullfire on people. Given the recent rework to nullfire I can only imagine what other underlying intentions may be going around.

[fr0stebyte]

basking in epic presents

[Good_Apollo]

So it's a manaless hero...so the same issues that would arise from Drunken Master are also present with this hero...

[Floophead3]

Will silences stop his ultimate?

[XxMiGxX]

Will his ultimate give you two deaths or if you reincarnate you lose that death. So if you really die, you only get 1 death, not two, and how will this show up on the sidebar thing.

I killed Ra for 200
Ra resurected and I lost 200
I killed Ra again??!? for 200

:amun:

[Dantarios]

Looks really good

[aznduk]

I would assume it would be like when you kill someone with token. No credit for first death.

[Pustik]

looks awesome guys, thanks S2

[flibble]

Looks similar to one of A`nub`is suggestions iirc

[SB7]

So basically if you don't have magebane or a incredibly farmed valk mid to get an early nullfire (and therefore not have more useful items), you're gonna get **** on by him.. cool

[EmptyPalms]

Too many people not basking in his presents.

[Church_]

Nice Skeleton king ulti nice, I looking forward to this guy he looks so cool

[ggrimm]

i like, good they delaying drunken brawler, he needs a damn rework



but thats a strange balance there with his spells requiring hp, and ult mp. THINK TWICE



also :phar::phar::phar:

[ProtoProtoss]

This character looks quite interesting.

[Cord]

another hero what a ****ing surprise

So when S2 said "we're releasing a new hero every two weeks" you took that as a cue to complain that they were sticking to their announced schedule every time they unsurprisingly release a new hero on schedule?

Why would you not expect this?

Oh what a surprise another FRIDAY this week!
How predictable, just as this year was getting going a NEW YEAR on January 1st!
OMFG another presidential election in 2012. gg usa govt noobs. go back to br.

Or..?

[Cord]

Anyway, in response to the new hero, this is a pretty interesting take on huskar's mechanics but combined kind of with lucifer and skeleton king kind of?

And very non-mana dependent in most ways.

[Rofl_Cake]

I'm liking the new hero. Just seems a bit...uncreative that they make another Egypt-style hero, especially when Pharaoh is a well modeled hero who is regarded as one of the best in the game.

Wish Martyr was this good.

[Torrorr]

You guys in S2's video development team are getting better and better!
The last few videos though, item builds were left out. :(

[Cord]

I'd like to see a Pharaoh that actually looks more like a mummy, though. Alt skin maybe to be released in conjunction with Ra?

Egyptian mythology is cool, though. You have to admit.

[ProtoProtoss]

WTF!? Anyone else notice that tumbleweed at 2:52 in the spotlight video? ROFLMAO

[Cord]

You guys in S2's video development team are getting better and better!
The last few videos though, item builds were left out. :(

Also, I don't think scout died this time did he? He must have been practicing.

[`BlueBeard`]

Wtf is this, hyped for DRUNK MASTA?!

[Rayleigh]

I like...cant wait.. :D

[oberbreit]

looks awesome!

[MsPudding]

Also, I don't think scout died this time did he? He must have been practicing.

Five scouts died in a circle. Annihilation!

[HairyBanana]

Kinda like lycan?

[Anchovies]

WTF!? Anyone else notice that tumbleweed at 2:52 in the spotlight video? ROFLMAO

:balp:

[Vanguardian]

Anyone else notice the female myrmidon skin? Looks pretty good.

Thumbs up for mermaidon!!

[gregnog]

Uhh... why is it impossible to find if this is a Strength or Intel hero?

[BattleHungeR]

nice!

Wait, I got a question, When mermaidon ults, she will get all steroid and transform into a muscle woman!? or a giant sexy myrmiditta?

[DeadLemming]

uhm, anyone notice the myrmidon Alt?!

Did I miss something, is this on the shop?!?

It's excellent, hope we see it soon :)

[it]

Five scouts died in a circle. Annihilation!

Annihilation... or circle jer...

[Nome]

If you guys are worried that a hero without mana is able to spam his spells too easily, wait 'til you play him. The heavy health cost on his spells will force you to use them very judiciously. Missing Path of Destruction in particular can be extremely devastating, and during testing there were many deaths by experienced players due to miscalculations and misjudgments. Should be fun to see :)

[AlexElder]

****in awesome good job s2

[Yamanneko]

Another egiptian theme hero?

[Lethe]

not to late to fix HUGE mistake…

Aluna

Amun-Ra

say them

now say them w/ foreign accent

now imagine picks/swaps… plz change the name. Ra is fine. i read the blog. Ra is FINE.

agreed with this.

It's not a good time to deviate from the traditional naming conventions.

[AsianDuck]

Trolls kept coming out and.... Silhouette this, Silhouette that..... sounds retarded kept hearin buncha clowns ranting the same topic

[Coopse]

looks amazing.

[SlapDash]

Love your work S2 Gjob!

[Good_Apollo]

If you guys are worried that a hero without mana is able to spam his spells too easily, wait 'til you play him. The heavy health cost on his spells will force you to use them very judiciously. Missing Path of Destruction in particular can be extremely devastating, and during testing there were many deaths by experienced players due to miscalculations and misjudgments. Should be fun to see :)
Nobody is worried about that. There's huge balance implications with a hero that doesn't use mana (or worse in DM's case, has no mana at all) in this game. If you don't understand that, then I'm really worried.

[galbenlol]

hero looks nice, but why not try and balance previous heroes (silhouette) before releasing a new one : /

[AsianDuck]

=_= people sure complains a lot, and the patch didnt even come out yet.

[Quotax]

PROPS for that! awesome model! <3 it!

[Jeroz]

For those that worried about Drunken Master, please go read Nome's journal on Amun Ra again. He mentioned that every hero took a few months from the first iteration to the retail version, and various changes will be made throughout the way.

I wouldn't be surprised if a number of people thought that DM was going to be the hero released this week prior to this video.

[Joanne]

Obviously pharaoh's brother.

[Paradiddlar]

Nile fan boy

[Belmondo]

I already hate him
visually looks meh too

[vanzer]

Looks great, hope he plays well!

i'm extremely happy with the amount on heros s2 has produced this year.

Might have to buy some gold coins!

[Crystalline]

Going back to Dota rips ? Disappointed now, but Flux was an original concept at least.

[MoMoBling]

Myrm skin :O

[AsianDuck]

Going back to Dota rips ? Disappointed now, but Flux was an original concept at least.
this whole game is dota rip..... not happy? :blac:

[Testingrani]

Looking good!

[aNyaQTpieLUV]

I hope its not another freewin pubstomp hero

[Melandro]

neat hero, and the female myrmydon looks cool (at first glance i was remembered back at Medusa (dota) ) XD

[Allnighte]

song before snotters die:

Clair de Lune by Debussy

[`x____x]

aggrressive mofo

[Crimson_Jack]

Hell yeah - a badass undead hero! Would look pretty awesome in combo with Pharaoh? :phar:

The only thing that makes me shiver with dread is amount of time required for his ult to cd?...

P.s. I don't want to seem demented, but somehow his appearance reminds me of Predator (http://www.spawn.com/TOYS/movies/mm6/predator/images/mm6_predator_photo_01_dp.jpg). Mostly due to his animation when he does something with his wrists (programming self-destruct mechanism? 4:02 in the video).

[neato]

Nobody is worried about that. There's huge balance implications with a hero that doesn't use mana (or worse in DM's case, has no mana at all) in this game. If you don't understand that, then I'm really worried.

Ra does use mana, just not in the traditional way. If anyone plays Marvel 3, think Phoenix. She needs five bars of hyper meter to turn into Dark Phoenix when she dies, while the rest of the cast uses their hyper meter to use hyper moves. The difference here is that Phoenix teams still have to work for the five meter to get the second life. Maybe he could start at 0% mana and gain x% of mana for damage delt or something. I mean, the dude has three AoE abilities. He can the deal damage required and being skilled with his Meteor skill shot and positioning him well for better damage with his passive and other AoE nuke will only reward skilled players more.

His ult spawns him with 50% health, I think, so he essentially has 150% health. When you think about his abilities draining 20% of his health per pop, it really doesn't sound as bad as you think.

He does sound pretty gnarly though, so if he ends up being awesome I won't be surprised lol.

[MaXi]

awsome concept :) very good work :) good that ulti requires % of mana, it would be hillarious if it would be just a number like Skeleton King's ulti...

[temsk`]

Doing dmg to itself little stupid. :S

[Zeals]

Hmm kinda reminds me of Icarus the Phoenix in DotA thats been modded slightly so he isn't a direct port.

Amun-Ra 1st Skill: AoE that costs 20% HP and stuns and get bonus movement speed to charge at people.
Phoenix 1st Skill: Dives which costs 10% of HP and disarms any that are hit

Amun-Ra 2nd Skill: AoE after 1.5 seconds with slow, costs 10% of HP
Phoenix 2nd SKill: Costs 10% of HP and summons 4 fire spirits that deal AoE damage or heal each.

3rd Skills completely different

Ultimate
Amun-Ra: After 3 seconds rezzes and does an AoE. Requires 50% of Mana.
Phoenix: Turns into an egg doing AoE DoT and stunning upon resurrection, but can be destroy while in egg form. Requires 200 Mana

[bourito]

devourer deals also dmg to himself...no1 ever called that stupid :P

[Crais]

So basically composition of: Token of Life + Mock of Brilliance + S&M for some flavor.

[Dunderklump1]

A minor change to Forest of Caldavar incoming?
Look @ 3:39 on the spotlight video

[Good_Apollo]

Ra does use mana, just not in the traditional way. If anyone plays Marvel 3, think Phoenix. She needs five bars of hyper meter to turn into Dark Phoenix when she dies, while the rest of the cast uses their hyper meter to use hyper moves. The difference here is that Phoenix teams still have to work for the five meter to get the second life. Maybe he could start at 0% mana and gain x% of mana for damage delt or something. I mean, the dude has three AoE abilities. He can the deal damage required and being skilled with his Meteor skill shot and positioning him well for better damage with his passive and other AoE nuke will only reward skilled players more.

His ult spawns him with 50% health, I think, so he essentially has 150% health. When you think about his abilities draining 20% of his health per pop, it really doesn't sound as bad as you think.

He does sound pretty gnarly though, so if he ends up being awesome I won't be surprised lol.Again, you too are thinking 1 dimensionally. I'm not saying he is going to be too powerful because he doesn't use mana. His abilities indeed look very damaging until you start stacking regen. My point is that adding a hero that doesn't rely on mana has many balance implications for: items and other heroes and how they interact with this hero. Specifically mana burn and the fact that his non use of mana basically eliminates a great deal of items that wouldn't be at all cost effective for him since he uses no mana. This only gets worse when the next hero (DM) literally doesn't have any mana to start with.

TLDR There's a reason why there's a common resource in this game and not personalized ones for each hero. It's a stupid design choice and 'just because you can' doesn't mean you should.

[Tzaa]

Nice hero and all you know, but...Should he not have like...A birdhead or rather a falcon's head...Would be so much coooooler! SKin maybeh?

:zeph:...

[lolomg]

uhm looks pretty imba early :D

[_Scars_]

no :blac::blac::blac:?

[Sarise]

:vind::mage::fayd::NullfireBlade::Puzzlebox:.

S2, make us another homosexual mana vampire.

[Riisoni]

Again, you too are thinking 1 dimensionally. I'm not saying he is going to be too powerful because he doesn't use mana. His abilities indeed look very damaging until you start stacking regen. My point is that adding a hero that doesn't rely on mana has many balance implications for: items and other heroes and how they interact with this hero. Specifically mana burn and the fact that his non use of mana basically eliminates a great deal of items that wouldn't be at all cost effective for him since he uses no mana. This only gets worse when the next hero (DM) literally doesn't have any mana to start with.

TLDR There's a reason why there's a common resource in this game and not personalized ones for each hero. It's a stupid design choice and 'just because you can' doesn't mean you should.

But, but, but, mana burn is EXTREMELY good against this hero, most likely THE counter against this hero. What has been speculated before: He is most likely going to have ~10 start INT, and ~1.0 INT gain per level, making him to have like 350-400 mana pool at lvl25. Witch Slayer is complete counter for him, so is magebane, Nullfire and Puzzlebox. The fact that with magebane you only need to get 2-4 hits in and Ra is oom, rendering the ult useless.

Against Magebane / Witch Slayer, you are most likely required to buy some int / mana items, just to be able to use your ultimate.

[blackAngel]

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always those bugs getting in the way...



(just had to :p)

[Tomy]

Nice rly nice good work :-)

[Djulio]

Wait, I got a question, When mermaidon ults, she will get all steroid and transform into a muscle woman!? or a giant sexy myrmiditta?

Spotlight video @ 3:25 - you can see the way she looks in ult next to the kong pit.

[puppapuppa]

nice nice nice

[Felathar]

and I haven't lost a game so far :D

[RayMartin]

whats the actually song title of the opening part - i know who it's made but ye anyone got a name for song D:

[ravenxii]

Just watched the spotlight, looks great, can't wait to play him!

[Juztice314]

GG sir! GG!

[zcaz]

Did you guys see Kongor's pit at 3:40?

[Zingerale]

Shouldn't he have the head of a bird?

[idoido]

am i the only one who thinks he looks like the alien from predator?

[pakoito]

But, but, but, mana burn is EXTREMELY good against this hero, most likely THE counter against this hero. What has been speculated before: He is most likely going to have ~10 start INT, and ~1.0 INT gain per level, making him to have like 350-400 mana pool at lvl25. Witch Slayer is complete counter for him, so is magebane, Nullfire and Puzzlebox. The fact that with magebane you only need to get 2-4 hits in and Ra is oom, rendering the ult useless.

Against Magebane / Witch Slayer, you are most likely required to buy some int / mana items, just to be able to use your ultimate.
Or you can keep that manapool low, buy Chalice and Mana Battery and pop them in the last second for 50% mana.

[ZeXTaR]

Where the sceen of SF??????

[Maaruis]

Looks good.

Gonna be OP tho.

[dotPanic]

New secret shop 3:44?

[Riisoni]

Or you can keep that manapool low, buy Chalice and Mana Battery and pop them in the last second for 50% mana.

And you don't count Chalice or mana Battery as mana items? That is still spending ~1000g on otherwise worthless items for him.

[Tr1cky]

i for one think this guy will be over-played in the next few 20 years due 2 his imba ultimate and kamikaze like skillset!.

also , nice mermaid myrmidon alt avatar ;)

and last but not least .. i thought that drunken hero was coming this friday not this dead guy -cheers-

[saucebrune]

Sorry, my mother tongue is french. WTF means or whats the joke with Bask in my presents?

[Menzo]

Aluna

Amun-Ra

say them

now say them w/ foreign accent



LOL

Well spotted!

[ImpalerCore]

Sorry, my mother tongue is french. WTF means or whats the joke with Bask in my presents?

The "presents" is a pun for "presence", as in "Bask in my presence".

[Blam]

and last but not least .. i thought that drunken hero was coming this friday not this dead guy -cheers-

Nope, they've only just started developing him.

I think all they had when the poll started were the basic concepts, and we were given the choice of who to fully develop first.

[fizik_]

Sounds nice.

[EnjoiDank]

seems lk another concept from LoL where the hero uses hp instead of mana to cast although he still has mana for his rez

[Peronnik]

rofl, i love people qq-ing about silho not being balanced
i guess they played bubbs lvl 1 vs lvl 20 silho with savage , hack&slash, and some boots...
oh wait...that means shes fed...
if you want some balance, try out countering her...what about..ARMOR ? WOOOOW WHASSAT ?....
or maybe void talisman ( not sure about the name)
WOOOOW WHASSAT ?....

[VielarCrom]

holy **** this looks like fun

[tokec]

so if his ulti revives him, and you got token on him so basicly he has 3 lives? Immortal hero :D

[Eldar]

so if his ulti revives him, and you got token on him so basicly he has 3 lives? Immortal hero :D

cooldown, bro ;_)

[Riisoni]

cooldown, bro ;_)

Restoration Stone bro ;_)

[wh1tewid0w]

how about drunken master???? is not coming?

[Riisoni]

how about drunken master???? is not coming?

In the newest blog post by Nome, he says he started to underlined the first set of abilities for Amun-Ra 30th of March. Before that he has been thinking of the basic comcept for years. But from March 30th to June 3th. That is basically two months of development for Amun-Ra, so be ready to wait for Drunken Master.

DivA just underlined the first basic concept for Drunken Master in his blog post.

[wh1tewid0w]

and amun-ra why is not ready yet? if already have a spotlight dont understand this ****

[DaBigBoi]

New mobs in this video too, giant rats at Legions pull camp.

[Necoc_Yaotl]

another imbalanced hero, great

[Alicuza]

I have only 1 question: Couldn't you finde something else for this hero to be? I mean really? Another pharao? Why not call him Pharao2 and be done with it...

[LotharsHedge]

Bask in my presents.

Thankyou S2, you do lovely work.

[Miveal]

Does when he use barbed armor and any of his skills, than he will get extra dmg or heal himself?

[PhoenixForce]

S2 , I hate you.
(http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?p=13654040)

[Millikin]

Anyone else notice the female myrmidon skin? Looks pretty good.
Why ask? Since you didn't read the posts from ppl before you in the thread you are likely not going to read the posts after your post.

[Millikin]

uhm, anyone notice the myrmidon Alt?!

Yes the poster before your own, and 2 posters 3 posts before that, and others before them. Seriously why do you ask such a stupid question that you would already gotten the answer for if you had bothered reading previous posts?

[HawkeyeBR]

Yes the poster before your own, and 2 posters 3 posts before that, and others before them. Seriously why do you ask such a stupid question that you would already gotten the answer for if you had bothered reading previous posts?

And why u bother with the stupid questions ? Are u a mod ?

[SeriousCat]

uhm, anyone notice the myrmidon Alt?!

Did I miss something, is this on the shop?!?

It's excellent, hope we see it soon :)

Good work, Captain Obvious.

And the Myrmidon alt is... well... maybe one of the worst alt skins S2 have ever released, for sure. Let's see how will look the other alt skin...

Best alt skins for the win: Rainbow Rampage, Pimp Slayer, Adventure Gladiator, Ivy Slither, Winston Charmadon and Sexy Moon Queen.

[HawkeyeBR]

Best alt skins for the win: Rainbow Rampage, Pimp Slayer, Adventure Gladiator, Ivy Slither, Winston Charmadon and Sexy Moon Queen.

Most alt avatars are terrible. I agree with u, except with Winston Charmadon (he's ridiculous, nothing special). I would put Bunny Pred in there, it's easily the most awesome alt skin ever made (and the only one I bothered buying). And Rampage didn't needed the Rainbow. The skin w/o the Rainbows where so good already...

[Assassine]

loved the balphagore part

[Vice_Prez]

So his ult requires him to have > 50% mana...and none of his abilities cost mana.

Cool.

Yup.

[Drezbie]

baski in my presents

[Birds123]

for those who say his abilities cost no mana, im fairly sure that when they do these that they turn no mana cost and cd on.

[Asrial]

Read the blogpost.
I do really want to see the numbers you gave him during the faulty "warchamp7" test. XD

[Vor]

at least pheonix uses mana on skills as well as life.

[hiwind]

so does this guy have no mana use like drunken brawler? or does he have mana and just not use it? if so i would just buy an alcolites staff and i would always resurect. i think that this guy may be op because if flint is ulting him or something when hes running away then he dies but resurects..... i dont think that that is fair. the rest of his skills are awesome i just dont fully agree with his ulti and the lack of mana use

[Coolcollo]

@Hiwind:

IF you watch the video you find it requires mana for the ult to trigger (there is mention of nullfire/puzzlebox countering him). The ultimate has a decent length cooldown. It's like accursed, but more reliable.

[_Wolf_]

neat, a new mrym alt

[dan_y0]

this hero better have like 20 mana. will silencing him before hes killed stop his ult? if those 2 points are not the case then this hero is broken. if you're gonna have a hero like this then make more heroes that can drain mana.

ps. balance the other heroes you make so that this game doesnt end up being just about new heroes. k thx.

[Reldnahc]

I'm interested in seeing this hero's int gain. Will it be astronomically low like 0.4?

[Boolbasor]

Still waiting for balance patch. And the only interesting changes I see in this video here is the Hellbourne Kongor site terrain change.

[Happyfish]

Still waiting for balance patch. And the only interesting changes I see in this video here is the Hellbourne Kongor site terrain change.

still a Work in progress =/

few kinks:WardOfSight::WardOfRevelation:

[Riisoni]

Still waiting for balance patch. And the only interesting changes I see in this video here is the Hellbourne Kongor site terrain change.

Oh, did you miss patch 2.0.30, which has been one of the largest balance patches in HoN. It game out like four weeks ago, check it out.

[Amdyn]

so does this guy have no mana use like drunken brawler? or does he have mana and just not use it? if so i would just buy an alcolites staff and i would always resurect. i think that this guy may be op because if flint is ulting him or something when hes running away then he dies but resurects..... i dont think that that is fair. the rest of his skills are awesome i just dont fully agree with his ulti and the lack of mana use

It all depends on the CD. Probably 5 mins or something higher.

[_ArAchNo_]

GJ S2 finally u ported lycan!

[Snatch]

Amun is sooooooo OP. Max his passive and by level 5 you have 7 Hp regen. Sound cool? Throw in a HotBL and Shamans headress by 20 minutes and you have 23 hp regen. Sound cool? Throw in a nullstone and you've got ~30 hp regen and ~5 mana regen (not like you need it).

Only counters I can see to amun (until he gets nerfed) are magebane, witch and vindi. Vindi will rape him, soooo hard.

[Krog]

Amun is sooooooo OP. Max his passive and by level 5 you have 7 Hp regen. Sound cool? Throw in a HotBL and Shamans headress by 20 minutes and you have 23 hp regen. Sound cool? Throw in a nullstone and you've got ~30 hp regen and ~5 mana regen (not like you need it).

Only counters I can see to amun (until he gets nerfed) are magebane, witch and vindi. Vindi will rape him, soooo hard.


:slit: "Ruthhhhhlessss"
:vood: "NO PATIENCE!"

[blackus]

Quick question: His ulti reminds me a lot of Accursed's old ulti. It used to activated once you dropped below a certain HP threshold. Then it got changed.

How come you create yet another hero with the same mechanics as old Accursed?

[b44dss]

this hero is like for down sysndrom people who dies often, and it will be never balanced this way. GJ S2 to bring out new **** to destroy the game in ur way 8)

[GoldMath]

Just played with a Amun-Ra and me on Empath, he get 28 HP/s at 15min with my Synergy maxed first, also he get 11/0. CC at 15 with a ragequit.

[Agamenon]

yeaaa thundercats!!! hoooooo!!!

[jPm`]

Why you wanna ruin this good game so badly? first martyr and then amun-ra .. thank you =)

[Ranni]

holy **** imba cant believe S2 make this ****in **** OP HERO god damnit zz

[Shikkari]

Stop cry all... Martyr and Amun-ra are both not op -.- ... sure revive ulti owns and it will get hard to burn all his mana but still it is possible... And dont argument with 11-0 games after 15 min... if you got 11 0 after 15 min then your enemies were COMPLETELY nabs.fact. If you get good gankin even without mana burn you get him down several times and hes not op. Leoric in dota is not op aswell so think of what you write. There are so many heros that would beat the sungod out of him ;)

[NaNNy`]

I had read that he couldn't kill himself with his skills, but in the game he actually can

[Pantheon]

I had read that he couldn't kill himself with his skills, but in the game he actually can

Ye, noticed that, but seems as you can only do it when in combat or something like that.. Anyway, it gets easiere and easiere to denie yourself, as you take 20% of your HP instantly with meteor (First ability), which to me seems a bit overpowered.

[Anonemus]

s2 shame on you! this hero is insanely over powered!!! (like all the heroes you've been constructing lately!)
plz try to (only once) make a balanced hero and maybe one that requieres more skill.

I am deeply disapponted in your work.

[Chaelvin]

s2 shame on you! this hero is insanely over powered!!! (like all the heroes you've been constructing lately!)
plz try to (only once) make a balanced hero and maybe one that requieres more skill.

I am deeply disapponted in your work.

I couldn't agree with you more. First there was Aluna, then Silhouette, then Martyr and now Amun Ra.

One thing I wish S2 would put out is how to counter some of these heroes. At the moment it is incredibly difficult to counter certain heroes and in late game I find some heroes just become too ridiculous to handle. My opinion? This game has a long way to go to be balanced properly. At least we're not paying monthly fees for it and I can suck by the $10 I paid for it.

[RaiKay]

I couldn't agree with you more. First there was Aluna, then Silhouette, then Martyr and now Amun Ra.

One thing I wish S2 would put out is how to counter some of these heroes. At the moment it is incredibly difficult to counter certain heroes and in late game I find some heroes just become too ridiculous to handle. My opinion? This game has a long way to go to be balanced properly. At least we're not paying monthly fees for it and I can suck by the $10 I paid for it.

Please, please learn to play >.>
'in late game'? Don't let them get there! Gank! Harass! Deny! There is so much you can do to prevent them getting so strong! OMGWTF Got pwned by a 80min sil with wingbow, doombringer, token, shrunken, fws and marchers! NERF NAOW PLOX

[Shougo]

Dur dur hi. Here at S2 we like to completely destroy our own game by adding extremely OP heroes. Our newest Hero can not only auto res but has the DPS of an INT the tanking powers of an STR, and the speed to get anywhere faster than an AGI. We first called this hero gamebreaker, but we decided to rip off some really bad mummy movies instead. Arent we geniuses, uh dur. Best part is his auto res ability, so after you take 5 minutes to kill him, well, you failed. trolllolololol


S2 -Trolling fanbase with OP heroes since prenerfed Zephyr

P.S. Chick who does the spotlight has a hot voice.

[Shougo]

Please, please learn to play >.>
'in late game'? Don't let them get there! Gank! Harass! Deny! There is so much you can do to prevent them getting so strong! OMGWTF Got pwned by a 80min sil with wingbow, doombringer, token, shrunken, fws and marchers! NERF NAOW PLOX

Silo can pretty much pwn at level 10 with no items, Afaik. each one of her attacks do 15% damage to heroes of the same level, and she gets an instant 3 hits for every skill cast. she has two skills. 2x3=6, 6x15= GG


Edit: Sorry for the double post, I thought this forum had an auto merge for posts that immediately follow each other by the same poster

[DeadLemming]

lol, Ms. Pudding.

You can buy the pudding pack voice pack in the store. worth it in my opinion.

[Ventus]

can't wait.

[Altephor]

15-4 the 2nd time playing with him. The 4 is only because after I lost the immortal I started divebombing in 5v1. And still got kills doing it.

Think my regen at the 30 minute mark was somewhere around 40-50 hp/sec.


Stupid ****ing hero.

[Shougo]

lol, Ms. Pudding.

You can buy the pudding pack voice pack in the store. worth it in my opinion.

Ms. Pudding you say?

Well I would love to speak with this admin, where is she >.>

[DeadLemming]

Magic armor and his damage goes straight down the tubes, not that OP

[NaNNy`]

btw it's so hard be facing the right direction with his first skill: I would prefer something like kraken charge for him

[siDDis]

This is by far the strongest hero in game. Way way way better than all other heroes. Especially strong early game.

[Mr_Fisterzzz]

I personally think these heroes aren't OP, it's just people come to HoN with the DotA mentality (farm farm farm and farm some more) even though S2 have said multiple times that they are creating and balancing the game around fast paced ganking action. So people are constantly getting ganked by these heroes made by S2, that are hardcore gankers, and whining when they lose.

Another possibility is people are just not used to new heroes.

Now, there's also probably some people going "durr why are they banned in high level competitive play then?" well, that's because the current meta-game there is tri-laning, which is a pretty hard counter to roamers. That and they ward well.

[Micee]

The problem isent that he is like pew pew killing all heroes.. The problem is he can farm better then frigging SS and thanks to that he will have insane hp reg, the games ive seen him in around 50 hp/s around 25 min mark. 20% hp loss on spells, lol who cares when he hit 5 creeps evrytime and reg the hp up in 3 sec :o

[Forest_Dump]

Nerf the dam hero.... His dmges are too OP... 900 dmges on 2 spells + passiv Mock.. and ulti token.. Its too OP... 100 % win for the team who claim the hero.

[SuperCommand]

The problem isent that he is like pew pew killing all heroes.. The problem is he can farm better then frigging SS and thanks to that he will have insane hp reg, the games ive seen him in around 50 hp/s around 25 min mark. 20% hp loss on spells, lol who cares when he hit 5 creeps evrytime and reg the hp up in 3 sec :o

He doesn't even have 50hp/sec with heart, shamans and HotBL at lvl 25 and unless you play casual mode I doubt you get that by 25minutes. He also only has 8hp/s more than other heroes.

His meteor also does not heal him when he hits creeps. Only heals on heroes hit. Might add that the damage he takes himself is not mitigated by magic armor while the damage the enemy takes is. In lategame he does more damage to himself than to the enemy.

[JeevesX]

Okay... Well, one thing i clearly not understand is his Mana pool..... It says non of his spells cost mana, but his ult need 50% of the mana else it wont trigg.... the point is, why does it need 50% of his mana when he NEVER loose mana? only thing to make him loose mana must be drain mana or nulll, but whats the odds some1 buy that every game?

[Nahkapossu]

okay.. i played against this hero for the first time yesterday and i wasnt pleased what i saw. He ran over everybody, literally. His ultimate should be nerfed somehow, if you can play that hero good its op, no can do.

[Gekks]

Okay... Well, one thing i clearly not understand is his Mana pool..... It says non of his spells cost mana, but his ult need 50% of the mana else it wont trigg.... the point is, why does it need 50% of his mana when he NEVER loose mana? only thing to make him loose mana must be drain mana or nulll, but whats the odds some1 buy that every game?

Magebane is a hard counter

bane takes out his mana in like 2-3 shits

you just have to counter pick

[Micee]

He doesn't even have 50hp/sec with heart, shamans and HotBL at lvl 25 and unless you play casual mode I doubt you get that by 25minutes. He also only has 8hp/s more than other heroes.

His meteor also does not heal him when he hits creeps. Only heals on heroes hit. Might add that the damage he takes himself is not mitigated by magic armor while the damage the enemy takes is. In lategame he does more damage to himself than to the enemy.

No in normal, sure he had empath with him both games. And no normal. HP reg: Passive + hotbl+ shamans + heart with 2,4 k hp + basic + aura.
8+8+8+24 = 48 + basic + aura. U do the math..

[Danubis]

I really dont see the reason to whine over this hero's ultimate. There are so many skills/items in the game that drains/burns mana that any non-retarded team can counter him as soon as they see him picked.

:succ::mage::fayd::witc::elec::phar::vind::ophe:(m inions). Of all these heroes about half are picked up often without him being in the game.

And even if you fail to pick up any of these hereos you can still get items that do the job for you :WhisperingHelm:(minion again):NullfireBlade::Puzzlebox:

so stop whine kthxbye

[magpie`]

I hate that he's on Hellbourne. A god like Amun would definitely not be a bad guy. Just because he's Egyptian he's gonna be evil? Also, his skill is called "Ashes To Ashes," which is obviously a catholic prayer, and not an ancient Egyptian one.
I like the mechanics, but the character concepts are just lazy without really putting effort into the mythos, like DOTA does. I do like that he uses a "khopesh" though ^_^
His voice is bad though D:

[MFCEO]

the heros is slightly OP in his current build I agree. Either reduce his passive regen or force the spells to take more health.

[Danubis]

I hate that he's on Hellbourne. A god like Amun would definitely not be a bad guy. Just because he's Egyptian he's gonna be evil? Also, his skill is called "Ashes To Ashes," which is obviously a catholic prayer, and not an ancient Egyptian one.

well the catholic part fits very well with the "evil" theme. besides ashes to ashes is a part of the Phoenix mythology which is way older than jewish/christian/muslim mythology

[FourthReich]

I'm pretty damn disappointed with this one. The trend I'm seeing of complete stupidity hasn't been from the DoTA ports, but from original characters.

:trem:
:fayd:
:noma:
:empa:
:flux:
:alun:
:myrm:

You should spend more time testing these new heroes before putting them on MM.

[magpie`]

well the catholic part fits very well with the "evil" theme. besides ashes to ashes is a part of the Phoenix mythology which is way older than jewish/christian/muslim mythology
Actually, it occurs in Genesis, so I have no idea what you're talking about with "Phoenix mythology."

[Lex_Steel]

I really dont see the reason to whine over this hero's ultimate. There are so many skills/items in the game that drains/burns mana that any non-retarded team can counter him as soon as they see him picked.

:succ::mage::fayd::witc::elec::phar::vind::ophe:(m inions). Of all these heroes about half are picked up often without him being in the game.

And even if you fail to pick up any of these hereos you can still get items that do the job for you :WhisperingHelm:(minion again):NullfireBlade::Puzzlebox:

so stop whine kthxbye

Of all the things you listed, only magebane can easily take his mana below HALF. Most of those heros you listed have no chance to accomplish this. Besides, in an SD or BD game, what are the odds you can pick a counter to him, or even know he is in the game? TOO OP.

[ptDarkfuryan]

Well the problem is clearly on the his mana pool. Even tough his spells cause him damage, the damage he takes is not signifcant. If he is on a side lane he can be spamming that meteor atack the entire lane and then the lane is won because no hero can keep up the pace of regen/counter etc with him.

So either he takes more damage or you add a mana cost to his spells. Otherwise no hero can take him on a lane and win.

[uLoveMyNuts]

S2 epic fail !

every new hero extra dmg after 1 month the hero sux balls ! like every time !
how ezy to fix and balanced the heros ! is that rly hard ?

[Baevar]

Actually, it occurs in Genesis, so I have no idea what you're talking about with "Phoenix mythology."

*facepalm*

he means that.........screw it, someone else explain. I don't have the patience.

[moopsy]

This is by far the strongest hero in game. Way way way better than all other heroes. Especially strong early game.

****in joke? :wret::fors::witc::mage::souls::devo::flin::silh:: silh::silh::silh::silh::pupp::trem:

Stupid.

Well balanced hero.

Thanks for a fun hero S2.

Sincerely mean that.

[Simpstar]

Ra really needs to be nerfed. Even more OP than freakin silhouette. Not that it matters though since ur game isnt playable ever anyway. But in theory, Ra should be nerfed. IF the game was working.. Wich it is not. Ever. Ow well, gonna play some MM now :) Ah right, game isnt working...

[NoobieNazgul]

Definately OP.

The problem is the 3rd skill. That massive amount of health regen AND the aoe AND the attack speed boost makes it soo easy to farm. I dont mind the revival or the 1st and 2nd skills, those are counterable. But the 3rd is too much, gotta tone that down and then he would be a viable hero. Right now he is just too easy to dominate with. I seriously suck with him, and I can dominate

[Shephard]

amun-ra is totally owning!!!

[Danubis]

Actually, it occurs in Genesis, so I have no idea what you're talking about with "Phoenix mythology."

"Phoenix Mythology" would refer to the myths about phoenixs, as seen in greek, persian chinese and several other mythologies. I had no idea that the phoneix was a part of jewish/christian mythology too.
If its true that the phoenix is referred in the old testament (genesis is the old one with lots of magic and mythical creatures right?) it might be the older version of the story.

[SuperCommand]

No in normal, sure he had empath with him both games. And no normal. HP reg: Passive + hotbl+ shamans + heart with 2,4 k hp + basic + aura.
8+8+8+24 = 48 + basic + aura. U do the math..

Heart is only 0.75% HP/second. The question is however, how did he get all those items(And lvl 25) in 25minutes?

[moopsy]

Definitely not overpowered.

Every hero that's released we get the same whiny ****.

Get over it no nerf is coming and learn to counter.

[Baevar]

Definitely not overpowered.

Every hero that's released we get the same whiny ****.

Get over it no nerf is coming and learn to counter.

Grossly overpowered actually. I never complained about aluna, martyr, myrm, tremble because they weren't at all overpowered imo. But Amun-Ra is on a "how the hell did this hero get out of testing" level of overpoweredness. And don't say no nerf is coming when you have no f'ing clue. Rebalancing occurs all the time, and this hero needs to be put away in the dev heroes vault until he can be fixed.

[moopsy]

Grossly overpowered actually. I never complained about aluna, martyr, myrm, tremble because they weren't at all overpowered imo. But Amun-Ra is on a "how the hell did this hero get out of testing" level of overpoweredness. And don't say no nerf is coming when you have no f'ing clue. Rebalancing occurs all the time, and this hero needs to be put away in the dev heroes vault until he can be fixed.

How is he OP when he has direct counters? No different than any other hero if you let do whatever he wants is gonna **** on you.

NO nerf is coming.

Deal with it.

[magpie`]

"Phoenix Mythology" would refer to the myths about phoenixs, as seen in greek, persian chinese and several other mythologies. I had no idea that the phoneix was a part of jewish/christian mythology too.
If its true that the phoenix is referred in the old testament (genesis is the old one with lots of magic and mythical creatures right?) it might be the older version of the story.
Okay, I see what you're saying.

Still, I wish that S2 put more effort into their Heroes background. They got rid of the flavor text on skills, which sucks. I'd like to see something more like MTG, yah know?

[Shougo]

I was Ra in a match against a magebane and a WS. Manadrain is **** if he gets a sac stone (which some may view as a useless item on him, but it provides huge amount of hp and hp regen, and mana regen as a counter to any manadrains).

He is rediculously op. After he does his first two skills, most Agis/Ints are two shot.


Some may say "lololol well pebbs is the same way" Pebbs Cooldowns are twice as long, his skills do half the damage, and he can't even tank as much as Ra.

[FourthReich]

I was Ra in a match against a magebane and a WS. Manadrain is **** if he gets a sac stone (which some may view as a useless item on him, but it provides huge amount of hp and hp regen, and mana regen as a counter to any manadrains).

He is rediculously op. After he does his first two skills, most Agis/Ints are two shot.


Some may say "lololol well pebbs is the same way" Pebbs Cooldowns are twice as long, his skills do half the damage, and he can't even tank as much as Ra.

In addition, Tiny needs to get a bottle early game or it would be impossible to constantly harass. Ra doesn't have this problem, he has no down time.