Deciding mid/late game items

[ImpBloody]

Alot of new players are having trouble deciding what to get on heroes and i understand, when your new, its hard to figure out what to get after you think you have all of your items. If you really want to find out whats effective, ask your friends, they should know, or play practice games, this helps me quite a bit, i would have probably never used tablet of command if not for practice.

Its actually a quite effective item then people give it credit for, you can use it on an enemy caster and push him right into the action giving your team a boost on killing some of the support heroes, and also puzzlebox wasnt that good until i started using it... once you learn how to micro... those minions dish out alot of mana burn with a mean aura for attack and movement speed, and also at level 3 they have truesight aura. This item is sick with succubus and tempest, if you can micro with your waves, you rack up some insane amounts of kills. So dont be afraid to try some new items that look like they could be good for you.

In some cases people might laugh at you for the items you get, but don't get angry with them, just remember next time to not get that item with that hero, and do some practice game where you set up the enemy hero with some items they would normally get, and use your hero with the items you would get and see if its effective, it all gets easier with experience. I may not be a pro, or close to it, but it is alot more fun when you are trying new things and don't let their words get to you.

[noodle0117]

hmm...
nice thread
I like your writing.

[kharaa]

I usually decide based on either the recommended, or what my class role is. like say with blood hunter (my recent favorite to play.)

I know that he has no special procs, and isn't really an "ability hero" so I know that attack speed and damage, are important on him. As well as morph items, such as brutalizer, or hack/slash.

So build based on a little foresight, what does your character DO, and what does he not do? gear based on that.

[TomKat]

There's no shame in asking what you should buy for a hero. I often have a pretty good idea about what to get, but getting advice is always useful. You don't necessarily have to take it!

[ImpBloody]

I usually decide based on either the recommended, or what my class role is. like say with blood hunter (my recent favorite to play.)

I know that he has no special procs, and isn't really an "ability hero" so I know that attack speed and damage, are important on him. As well as morph items, such as brutalizer, or hack/slash.

So build based on a little foresight, what does your character DO, and what does he not do? gear based on that.

I laughed at you a bit here, sorry but when you said "(my recent favorite to play)" I have quite alot of them.

In any case, i agree with what you are saying, but i don't think you really should restrict yourself to the gear confided to what you character type maybe, in fact, that is one of the things i both love and hate about the game, because of the many diversed heroes, you have such a wide variety of choices that you can get on any hero.

I think one main hero that comes to mind is electrician, he may be a str tank, but because of his mana shield, alot of people build according to that getting a headress and a sacrificial stone. I think that all I really am trying to point out, is that no matter what item build you choose to get, there is always a better way to build it.

You are right though, the recommended items are kind of a good basis of items that you can use on an item, but do not restrict yourself to them by any means. Just a little reply to you, not meant to be an insult by any means.

[ImpBloody]

There's no shame in asking what you should buy for a hero. I often have a pretty good idea about what to get, but getting advice is always useful. You don't necessarily have to take it!

There might not be any shame but sometimes you do get people who laugh at you alittle. They don't know themselves =P.

[ImpBloody]

hmm...
nice thread
I like your writing.

Thanks, i try to be very clear and concise when i write, some might tell you otherwise, and that's why all you have to do is ask me to clarify and i will try to do my best to make it understandable.

[Avathacis]

Usually, just look at the enemy heroes and your heroes.
They have invisible heroes? Get Puzzlebox, Bound Eye or Ward of Revelation.
They have lots of nukers? Get Shaman's Headdress or Barrier Idol.
They have quite a big amount of armor? Get Shieldbreaker.
Your team lacks slows? Get Hack and Slash or Frostwolf Skull.
Etc.

[_Archangel_]

Usually, just look at the enemy heroes and your heroes.
They have invisible heroes? Get Puzzlebox, Bound Eye or Ward of Revelation.
They have lots of nukers? Get Shaman's Headdress or Barrier Idol.
They have quite a big amount of armor? Get Shieldbreaker.
Your team lacks slows? Get Hack and Slash or Frostwolf Skull.
Etc.

No. Get Nullfire if you're agility; get Kuldra if you're int and if you're strength then get an Insanitarius and get your allies to slow.

[Tripwyr]

Usually, just look at the enemy heroes and your heroes.
They have invisible heroes? Get Puzzlebox, Bound Eye or Ward of Revelation.
They have lots of nukers? Get Shaman's Headdress or Barrier Idol.
They have quite a big amount of armor? Get Shieldbreaker.
Your team lacks slows? Get Hack and Slash or Frostwolf Skull.
Etc.

Red: Don't forget dust. Dust is the least expensive and most effective detection. While ward will help if you're standing still and want to prevent an invisible initiation, dust will prevent the enemy from running out of range and getting away.

Blue: Usually you get Shieldbreaker against heroes who DON'T have much armor, due to the way armor scales. Going from 6 armor to 0 is a much bigger difference than going from 30 to 24.

[Heridshire]

Yeah, shieldbreaker in that case is much more efficient. But if they already have 30 armor, and you'll still need to kill them, this item is still a near optimum choice.

To Archangel, maybe you are a little to assertive, and that's exactly the point of this thread, showing that any player can try to be creative. There are certainly optimum choices, but to various ends there are various means.

Hey ImpBloody, don't take me the wrong way, but you are not concise. I'm not either, and that's why I'd like you to be conscious of that. You're not redundant, though, and I really like the way you write. Very... diplomatic would be a good word. I myself like to put some color to make it easier to read for some people who have problems focusing, like myself.

Now about the thread itself: when I knew a lot less how to play than now (actually at DotA), I'd look endlessly for guides about each hero and try to understand the reasons of each build choice. I think that helps you think for yourself, can give you some insights and maybe even invent your own "original" build. That's the beauty and difficulty of HoN: lots of options.

[ImpBloody]

Hey ImpBloody, don't take me the wrong way, but you are not concise. I'm not either, and that's why I'd like you to be conscious of that. You're not redundant, though, and I really like the way you write. Very... diplomatic would be a good word. I myself like to put some color to make it easier to read for some people who have problems focusing, like myself.



Never said i was concise =P, i said i try to be, sometimes i do fall short but doesn't mean that i like to try to get my point across before i start to bore anyone. If you look at my guides, I, too, like colors.

Also, the point you made about being open to different builds, that's what I am trying to get people to think about, people are starting to look too closely at the recommended items, and they are forgetting about the many other items that can be bought, so this is trying to get people to understand my way of thought without making it demanding by any means.

And, thanks for giving me the word I'm looking for. Diplomatic seems far more sophisticated then concise.