Newer Player Needs help with Magmus

[opt1xxLoL]

I'm pretty new to the game, and never played DotA but I understand the concepts of the game pretty well. I've been winning a good amount of games but I'm curious as to what the best build for magmus would be, or if anyone has recommendations for other good heroes to use. (My play style is more agressive and I like to use who can crank out the most damage)

[Helgeran1]

Magmus needs a portal key and marchers. Everything else is situational but a few bracers are usually good. Portal key is absolutely core on him, when you have it you can hold shift, ultimate and then blink to teleport to the place and unleash your ult so the enemies don't have a chance to interrupt you! Practice this offline a few times!

- Hold shift
- Start ultimate (still holding shift)
- Use portal key on desired location

[Kaee]

il give you a comman build for magmus what normaly makes him extreamly strong

:Portal key (you cast your ult and blink in and stun them all, making sure they are damaged by his ulti)
:enhanced marchers(gives unitwalking and chase/escape abbility)
:1x Fortified Bracelet
:1x Talisman of Exile = upgrade to Helm of the black legion
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THESE ARE THE LAST ITEMS YOU GET , IF THEY DONT HAVE MANY DISABLES GO FOR RUINED AXE
:Srunken head (to prevent MOST spells)
:Ruined Axe (damage and has some synergy with his passive splash skill for uber quick farming)

[opt1xxLoL]

thanks alot guys, all feedback is appreciated :)

[JOSHPFANBOY]

As said before, the first item on your list always portal key, then some str items such as bracers for survival.

The way this work is.

You press *R* to start your ult.

While this is going, press and hold in shift, and click the portal key and then the spot you want to go to, then let go of shift.

[Testknight]

Could I ask how you are building Magmus' skills? I'd like to determine if you're doing it right.

The item suggestions so far are great. He doesn't need too many things; only basic stat boosters, a slot constantly free for homecoming stones, and of course, dagger + boots. All 3 boots are viable, but I prefer Steam.

[opt1xxLoL]

Could I ask how you are building Magmus' skills? I'd like to determine if you're doing it right.

The item suggestions so far are great. He doesn't need too many things; only basic stat boosters, a slot constantly free for homecoming stones, and of course, dagger + boots. All 3 boots are viable, but I prefer Steam.

thanks for the help! As far as my skill building goes, I have pretty much no experience on what is right and wrong :P Basically I start off like this:

Lava Surge
Steam Bath
Volcanic Touch
Normally at this point I go for upgrades on Lava Surge then Volcanic Touch but I have no idea what to do.
Of course I get my special at 6 but I just would like to hear an experienced player's input on how to correctly build skills

[IPlayForKeep]

1. pick magmus
2. roll face on keyboard
3. congratulations everyone is dead!


>.>

[opt1xxLoL]

1. pick magmus
2. roll face on keyboard
3. congratulations everyone is dead!


>.>

lol good vid :P

[girls]

My pre-nerf bloodstone build was:
Bloodstone
Travel
Shivas

I am not really a big fan of the new Bloodstone but I assume this would work still.

[`Assist]

Could I ask how you are building Magmus' skills? I'd like to determine if you're doing it right.

The item suggestions so far are great. He doesn't need too many things; only basic stat boosters, a slot constantly free for homecoming stones, and of course, dagger + boots. All 3 boots are viable, but I prefer Steam.
Max lava surge
Get 1 steam bath to hide when needed
Get Volcanic touch if you are doing good, get stats if you aren't farming so well.

For items:
- Get enhance marcher (yes it is better than steamboot on magmus)
- Portal key of course
- Get bottle
- Homecoming stone = no brainer
- Get 2x fortified bracelet, later get heart/shrunken head

[opt1xxLoL]

Max lava surge
Get 1 steam bath to hide when needed
Get Volcanic touch if you are doing good, get stats if you aren't farming so well.

For items:
- Get enhance marcher (yes it is better than steamboot on magmus)
- Portal key of course
- Get bottle
- Homecoming stone = no brainer
- Get 2x fortified bracelet, later get heart/shrunken head

thnx

[airchase]

yeah i guess portal key is really the best way to go. whaha! but i do find shrunken head also quite helpful at times, really all boils down to how you want to play magmus.

just make sure you get to cast your ulti :)

[Vinthian]

Practice the Ult -> Shift + Blink combo in Practice mode a bit. You'll be more confident about executing it ingame.

Also, do not get bottle unless you're planning on getting it to start (which is a bad idea already). Reason not to get it would be to allow your mid solo to control runes. Farm fast boots, then blink + bracers. If you're dying a lot, go for bracers first, but get blink ASAP.

[Mush_y]

Shrunken head is a must-have option. SH + portal key + ulti = gg.

[HappyCookie]

Sorry for off-topic, but



:1x Talisman of Exile = upgrade to Helm of the black legion



Could you explain how that works? Can you use components from it, or do you just sell it and get HotBL?

[MrTortoise1]

talisman of exile has nothing to do with helm of black legion. do not get helm of the black legion ... you are going to be nuked build shamans headress instead.

Once you get your portal key and headress then you might get one talisman of exile because it will increase your mana pool.

yeah bottle on magmus is a bad idea beacuse you will not be the person whoring runes beacuse you wont be soloing mid. Get a courier ... ship yourself health potions and mana potions ... you wont spend 600 total before lvl 7 ish and after that bottle doesn't really do much anyway.

I tend to go surge, steam, volcanic.

Then it depends on what is happening ... if i am getting owned and they dont have anything that can pull me out of steam bath i will add a few lvls to that - but this is rare.

I tend to just lvl surge to get its range up (it i s agreat escape after you portal in)

As for items i tend to go for portal key obviously but start building the health regen parts of the shamans headress ... you only need 1-2 trinkets or if you are facing a lot of melee heroes the helmet for armour. I don;t completley build the headress before i get portal ... portal is *really* important. the reason for the regen is to sty in lane to farm the portal.

Also I tend to only pick him if i have someone in lane who is ranged or has disables.

After portal I build shrunken head for the str gain and magic 'immunity'

Also i buy a courier at start so that i can stay in lane.

[CandIeJack]

These guys are confusing. Listen, here's what you do. End story, don't listen to the rest:

-Starting items include a bottle or stat items and mana potions (you'll need ALL stat, not just strength)
-Farm a blink dagger asap. If you need to get bracers or something first, do it. Don't hesitate. You should be able to buy blink dagger at sideshop
-Preform your combo of ult->blink. FARM MORE GOLD!
-Depending on if they have disables/ways to see you (i.e. treesight/wards)/general stuns, get Shrunken head, and use it before you ult
-If they have squishy heroes, get a sac stone and Staff of the master
-If you need to be more combat ready, don't be afraid to be, just get a heart first.
-Do NOT rely on steambath to save you. It gives you 1.2 secs as I recall to GET OUT OF IT. Use this time wisely. Invis (especially with steambath) is NOT invuln.

Skill build:
lava
steam
lava
stats
lava
ult
lava
(do what you think is best for the rest of the game)

-Do NOT get the passive too early, as it will push the lane too hard, and you'll be stuck at their tower waiting to be ganked/not farming at all
-Your ult is NOT an autokill, and will NOT work on rediculously high health heroes, especially with magic resist. Do NOT go "balls to the wall" and blink ult just because there are a bunch of d00ds there. (although early game, if you have backup this WILL work, and this IS why people piss and moan about how good magmus is)

I should have wrote a guide or something, but this is pretty basic step by step instructions.

Conclusion: he's safe as long as you can do what you need to do. If you need to stun, and you're on CD/out of mana, DONT TRY IT.

last tip:
Calculate your mana before going balls to the wall. If you have just enough mana to ult, that means if you blink first, you'll be oom. PAY ATTENTION!

That's about it, and you're welcome

[opt1xxLoL]

These guys are confusing. Listen, here's what you do. End story, don't listen to the rest:

-Starting items include a bottle or stat items and mana potions (you'll need ALL stat, not just strength)
-Farm a blink dagger asap. If you need to get bracers or something first, do it. Don't hesitate. You should be able to buy blink dagger at sideshop
-Preform your combo of ult->blink. FARM MORE GOLD!
-Depending on if they have disables/ways to see you (i.e. treesight/wards)/general stuns, get Shrunken head, and use it before you ult
-If they have squishy heroes, get a sac stone and Staff of the master
-If you need to be more combat ready, don't be afraid to be, just get a heart first.
-Do NOT rely on steambath to save you. It gives you 1.2 secs as I recall to GET OUT OF IT. Use this time wisely. Invis (especially with steambath) is NOT invuln.

Skill build:
lava
steam
lava
stats
lava
ult
lava
(do what you think is best for the rest of the game)

-Do NOT get the passive too early, as it will push the lane too hard, and you'll be stuck at their tower waiting to be ganked/not farming at all
-Your ult is NOT an autokill, and will NOT work on rediculously high health heroes, especially with magic resist. Do NOT go "balls to the wall" and blink ult just because there are a bunch of d00ds there. (although early game, if you have backup this WILL work, and this IS why people piss and moan about how good magmus is)

I should have wrote a guide or something, but this is pretty basic step by step instructions.

Conclusion: he's safe as long as you can do what you need to do. If you need to stun, and you're on CD/out of mana, DONT TRY IT.

last tip:
Calculate your mana before going balls to the wall. If you have just enough mana to ult, that means if you blink first, you'll be oom. PAY ATTENTION!

That's about it, and you're welcome

haha thnx

[JOSHPFANBOY]

Another tip, if for whatever reason your soloing, and you have range in the lane and you can't creep anything, get steam over the passive skill.

Just sit in a area and watch as the range keep away and you get free creeps.

Edit** But your team is stupid as hell if your soloing :|.

[Asator]

I don't know if this has been said already:

Magmus can be a mid/late game pusher, if you're planning to destroy some towers while there are no enemies on the lane and you are solo. Do it like this:

- Walk with your creeps until you encounter an enemy creep wave.
- Lava Surge through the creep wave and make sure you hit the ranged creep (and try to hit as many creeps as possible).
- The ranged creep should be low HP after your Lava Surge, you can one-hit it and that should cause the whole wave to die by your Volcanic Touch

Late game you should have built up a mana pool that's big enough to perform Lava Surge a few times in a row.

[Kaee]

sorry for not making it very clear , but if your playing a game with a few disables , it pays to get srunken head . this eliminates the need for shamans headdress , and why HotBL is a better item , gives you some regen and some ability to tank abit , because you dont want to die :)

[Safiro]

CORE portal key,tp stones marchers and a bracer or two
Luxury:Behemoth's heart,Frostfield Plate

[Lomina1]

Heres how you build magmus
First set:
3xMana potion
1xHealth potion
2xRunes of Blight
3xStat totems
Total cost: 589g

Next set:
Marchers
Portal Key
Total cost: 2650g

Next Set:
2xBracer
Enhanced Marchers
Total cost: 2000

Last Set: Shrunked Head, Runed Axe

[MyLife]

to OP: Its pretty funny that some of the idiots in this game are telling you to get a ruined axe considering its probably one of the dumbest items you can get on MAGMUS.

Secondly, i played magmus probably my first 40 out of 50 games in HoN and i can tell you from experience that having a bottle is EXTREMELY helpful. I am not telling you to get bottle 1st item but what i am saying is Make it either item #2 or get it right after a pair of boots.

You will have 0 problem farming up your blink dagger with Volcanic touch + lava surge. And with a bottle u will have plenty of mana/HP to stay on the battle field 2-3 times as long as you would without it.

Some of the builds that people have told you are in part correct. You will want Some Boots, a bottle, a couple of bracers, a portal key, (then upgrade your boots either to Post haste or Steam boots), and Lastly you will get a Staff of the master (NOT A Shrunken head or a Ruined axe)

You can use the Ult/blink trick to initiate you should not need a Shrunken head to stay alive nor should u need it to get your ultimate off.

With a Staff of the master your ult is even more devastating to the other team bringing them all down to at least half HP (for carries, probably killing them if you ult/stun if they are support heroes)

It will also allow your carries to run in and Clean up shop.

Magmus isnt a Carry hero he is a gank/initiator, getting a staff of the master allows him to do so with almost if not just as much force as your average Tempest or Behemoth.

PS Get one level in Steam bath after you have your stun leveld to 4 just as an escape mechanism. Dont leve it any higher as those skill points are better used in Stats.

[Lomina1]

NEVER waste money on bottle. Bottle is useless for magmus(except maybe in noob games where you can runewhore), you should be able to get blink the first time you go back to the fountain. If you're being heavily harassed or just can't handle it, ask for a gank and try to grab some early kills for easy money. The sooner you get blink the better for your team.

Staff of the master does very little for its cost(4300g for 1 more pulse and slightly increased radius) Shrunked Head is much better if the enemy got stunners/nukers.

Runed axe (not Ruined axe check clueless above) is merely a luxury item that keeps you going with the mana and hp regen and damage+cleave for megafast farming.

[HappyCookie]

There are better things for the money which you might spend on Runed Axe.

With the hammur, you will basically be killing the creep waves in two hits, anyway.

[Drastone]

NEVER waste money on bottle. Bottle is useless for magmus(except maybe in noob games where you can runewhore)
Bottle is not useless, bottle is used to keep your mana up so you CAN do your job of ganking. It's 3 extra lava surges with no wait which is really nice when ganking. You either take a bottle or your typical starting items, and grab the rune if the solo mid doesn't need it.



Runed axe (not Ruined axe check clueless above) is merely a luxury item that keeps you going with the mana and hp regen and damage+cleave for megafast farming.
You typically DONT do luxury items to further fascilitate farming, also how in the world would you have trouble farming? using lava surge on a creep wave followed by a single swing from a decent level magmus will usually end with lots of dead creeps.

[AdamaA]

I like to pick Magmus whenever it shows on sd.

Besides the obvious portal key and marchers, i find bottle to be awesome on him, when game moves to gank mode u can stay in action for a lot more time. Not to talk about picking runes, what is not rare considering u should be moving between lanes a lot.

I never felt any other item besides this 3 helps magmus a lot. Tried head many items, droped it since after learning to ult+tp i never got that combo interrupted. Melee items are not a good choice, no matter what additional stat it has, u wont be hitting more than 1-2 times on a normal group or gank fight... if u opened right and your team reacted, they are death, your melee hits are not relevant most of times.

The only item i found to be very ocasionally good is shaman headress, go figure when.

So, after tp, boots and bottle (order as needed) i tend to buy sight wards, dust and those kind of things that make you look like u farmed 0 but for real helping a lot more that getting a behe hearth for yourself. Also, considering Magmus ganking power and if no one is placing wards early game, i may buy some even before tp. (pub games... pm if anyone needs an average player for a team)

Note im not very expert and i will try out somethings i readed here. Just my 2c.

[Lomina1]

Bottle is not useless, bottle is used to keep your mana up so you CAN do your job of ganking. It's 3 extra lava surges with no wait which is really nice when ganking. You either take a bottle or your typical starting items, and grab the rune if the solo mid doesn't need it.
If both sides mid is doing their job right there is rarely a scenario when they wont get the rune over you.


You typically DONT do luxury items to further fascilitate farming, also how in the world would you have trouble farming? using lava surge on a creep wave followed by a single swing from a decent level magmus will usually end with lots of dead creeps.
It allows him to destroy neutrals, on a lane you can only take 2 creep waves before you have pushed too far. Also gives you manaregen which lets you use those lava surges and need not to worry about runes or going to fountain to refill your bottle. PLUS the damage is nice combined with phase boots you are more than just a one trick pony, you can chase and autoattack people with decent damage. Sure you can build him as a pure tank, but thats up to you.

[TreeHorse]

My build is pointed toward non-EM and works very well in that environment. This is not for EM pub-stomping, it's to build a versatile, team-oriented gank/push initiator with enough staying power to start AND finish the fight.

Starting build: Nobody is bullying you out of a lane with this setup.
Mana Battery - 210g
Minor Totem (2) - 106g
Blighted Rune x6 - 180g
Health Potion x1 - 100g
(Buy into a chopping axe once you use up your health potion or runes. Remember the health potion can be used for teammates also.)

Mid-game core items:
-Homecoming Stone (2)
-Portal Key
-Bracer (2)
-Power Supply
-Steamboots/Enh Marchers (I like steamboots because he has pitifully low natural armor and is not a hero with high str/hp gain.)

Late Game core items:
-Staff of the Master/Shrunken Head (both if time/farm permits...but the game should be over before then. It's your job to help make that happen by being a mid-game powerhouse)

Optional mid-game items depending on the enemy lineup:
-Shaman's Headdress (spell-heavy team)
-Helm of the Black Legion (phys-heavy team)
-Bottle instead of 1 Bracer (if you're constantly ganking and need to grab runes to stay out in the field)


I realize this thread is full of posters who think they know everything.. but if you have any detailed questions feel free to PM me.

Edit: One other thing - Mag is not the greatest pick against a high-HP team.

[TerranEarth]

You can actually go blink, enhanced marchers, and bkb. You can then first bkb, blink in burrow and epi their team and they cant stop you. Burrow + epi is actually stronger than epi + burrow cause your right on top of all of them.

[opt1xxLoL]

My build is pointed toward non-EM and works very well in that environment. This is not for EM pub-stomping, it's to build a versatile, team-oriented gank/push initiator with enough staying power to start AND finish the fight.

Starting build: Nobody is bullying you out of a lane with this setup.
Mana Battery - 210g
Minor Totem (2) - 106g
Blighted Rune x6 - 180g
Health Potion x1 - 100g
(Buy into a chopping axe once you use up your health potion or runes. Remember the health potion can be used for teammates also.)

Mid-game core items:
-Homecoming Stone (2)
-Portal Key
-Bracer (2)
-Power Supply
-Steamboots/Enh Marchers (I like steamboots because he has pitifully low natural armor and is not a hero with high str/hp gain.)

Late Game core items:
-Staff of the Master/Shrunken Head (both if time/farm permits...but the game should be over before then. It's your job to help make that happen by being a mid-game powerhouse)

Optional mid-game items depending on the enemy lineup:
-Shaman's Headdress (spell-heavy team)
-Helm of the Black Legion (phys-heavy team)
-Bottle instead of 1 Bracer (if you're constantly ganking and need to grab runes to stay out in the field)


I realize this thread is full of posters who think they know everything.. but if you have any detailed questions feel free to PM me.

Edit: One other thing - Mag is not the greatest pick against a high-HP team.

tyvm