HoN Werewolf V5 - Gameover

[Vahn]

Werewolf V5 - OT 3.0
This is the day time discussion thread for Werewolf, during the night I will be locking this thread. I'll send a PM reminder to everyone when each day commences.
For all the rules and Information about the game please refer to the sign-up thread (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=258446)

In this game we are having a semi closed set up which means below is a list of possible combinations of roles.

Set-up 1
6 Saplings
1 Scout
1 Jeraziah
1 Legionnaire
1 Imp
1 Madman
1 Devourer

Set-up 2
6 Saplings
1 Insane Scout
1 Night hound
1 Witch Slayer
1 Imp
1 Madman
1 Devourer

Set-up 3
6 Saplings
1 Scout
1 Jeraziah
1 Legionnaire
1 Imp
1 Madman
1 Succubus

Set-up 4
6 Saplings
1 Insane Scout
1 Night hound
1 Witch Slayer
1 Imp
1 Madman
1 Succubus

Current Player List:

Bwomp (Sapling) - Killed during night 1
Chuth (Madman) - Killed during night 2
Emiya (Insane Scout)
Fuga (Sapling) - Lynched during day 1
Fossegrim (Succubus) - Lynched during day 3
GrimmShado (Sapling) - Killed during night 1
Lucian01 (Witch Slayer)
Nolifer (Sapling)
NomesWisdom (Night Hound)
Otolia (Sapling)
Ouker (Imp) - Lynched during day 2
Vexium (Sapling)


Votes

Key: Player name (Number of votes against player) - List of players who voted.

Fossegrim (4) - Emiya, Lucian01, Nolifer, NomesWisdom
Lucian01 (2) - Fossegrim, Vexium

Players who haven't voted yet: Otolia

Remember to highlight your text in Lime when you are making your vote, day time ends when anyone has (N + 1) / 2 votes. N is number of remaining players.
Current votes required to end day: 4

Links

Day 1
Night 1
Day 2


Attention all players
No editing posts, if you posted any want to add something then double post. If you see spelling mistakes just leave them unless its so bad people won't understand what you said.

Attention dead players and people not participating
Strictly no posting at all, I do not wish for the game to be side tracked like it was several times last game.
Failure to follow will result in me deleting the post. If you continuously ignore this rule you will receive a spamming infraction.

[Vahn]

Day 1 has begun.

[Otolia]

Vote : Smurf

He is a meanie.

[Chuth]

Woo V5 ahoy

[GrimmShado]

Some familiar faces. Nice. random lynch or something actually useful?

[Vexium]

I never get Hellbourne :(


Edit: vote : otolia

[Bwomp]

First things first, as breaky would say.

i dont like Shado's question.

you should have the experience to judge this yourself.

assuming you could be Hellbourne, this could be a good move to start with. also you say by this move that you dont like to take controll, and therefore you are easy to influence.

i dont think that we have room for you.

=> vote GrimmShado

[Chuth]

Bwomp overtook my first place in the alphabetical ranking :(

Vote Bwomp

[Vexium]

these setups are interesting. should be exciting

[Fuga]

=> vote GrimmShado

assuming you could be Hellbourne, this could be a good move to start with. also you say by this move that you dont like to take controll, and therefore you are easy to influence.

[Smurf3tte]

Vote Fuga

[Smurf3tte]

Some familiar faces. Nice. random lynch or something actually useful?
In order to do an actually useful lyncch, people have to post and vote and promote discussion.

[Chuth]

Fuga, I haven't seen you around here before. Are you new?

[Bwomp]

@ Fuga:
if you want to quote someone, use the "quote" buttom.

[Lucian01]

=> vote GrimmShado

assuming you could be Hellbourne, this could be a good move to start with. also you say by this move that you dont like to take controll, and therefore you are easy to influence.
Welcome to honwolf, fuga. If you are hellbourne then please tell us immediately, otherwise keep up the good work.

Also good luck to nomeswisdom and the scout, who very often die on day 1. :(

[Emiya]

Don't worry guys, I got pally.

I'd like to no lynch today.

[GrimmShado]

SO many deja vu's. As for your very interesting argument IF i try to take control, you'll pounce on me. IF i don't i'm cunning an hellbourne.

Based on previous game experience (what is by itself quite a mistake) I think we might want to have smurf3tte, vexium, nomeswisdom in the long run if they are legion. They have been reflexive before and that's good. What i mean is be certan if we are to lynch them.

BUt any judgement on who is or isn't Hb is not wiser that "he's a meanie".

[Nolifer]

Vote Emiya

[Fuga]

i change my vote to Vote : Smurf
o_o

[Ouker]

Well let's begin. Vote : Grimmshado
You're awful shady with that question... Newbie mistake perhaps?

[Vexium]

lets pressure grimm a bit. nobody hammer yet, please

vote: grimmshado

[Bwomp]

recalling my vote: grimmshado

5 ppl balling on one person on day 1?

he isnt a HB.
imo. at least 1 HB is found amongst the voters of grimmshado.

[Otolia]

recalling my vote: grimmshado

5 ppl balling on one person on day 1?

he isnt a HB.
imo. at least 1 HB is found amongst the voters of grimmshado.
Fallacy.

There are only 3 HB. 5 Legion members could be voting for Grimm. You are only trying to put the suspicions onto someone even if we are still in the random voting phase.

-- legion points.

[Vexium]

do HB know who each other are right now on day 1? please let us know, vahn.


oh and there were only 4 votes on grimmshado, bwomp. now 3 with you taking the vote off.

[Vahn]

The same as the 4 previous games, they know each other right from the start.

[Emiya]

Vote Emiya
Draw back your vote.

We can find the phantom together, nolifer.

[Nolifer]

Draw back your vote.

We can find the phantom together, nolifer.
You got any clues on who the phantom is?

Unvote Emiya

[Emiya]

You got any clues on who the phantom is?

Unvote Emiya
Nope. Thanks for not voting me anyway.

I was going to have a long post but never mind.

[Otolia]

What's with this crappy unvote me attitude Emiya. This should be investigated.

Vote : Emiya

[Emiya]

Well, I don't really care if I'm getting voted. I was making a subtle remark that "pressuring" actually isn't in our best interests.

[Otolia]

Well, I don't really care if I'm getting voted. I was making a subtle remark that "pressuring" actually isn't in our best interests.
It is if there is a purpose. You wanted someone to unvote. I don't like that, I vote you.

[Octavia]

Well, I don't really care if I'm getting voted. I was making a subtle remark that "pressuring" actually isn't in our best interests.'our' being a pronoun for:

HELLBOURNE

beep bewp beep bewp scum detected.

Maybe you're right, maybe we (Legion) would get somewhere by sitting around and having a tea party. The only way to ascertain people's intentions is by pressuring people. Consider this current situation, the pressuring on GrimmShado has brought out some questioning to your allegiance already.

Vote: Emiya

[Emiya]

Look at the setup. The only setup in which pressure works without high risk is setup one because of the jeraziah cushion and no succubus. In all other setups there is either no Jeraziah or a succubus.

With these setups, if you all pressure a power-role to the point they have to announce their role, you are essentially killing them or rendering them useless. This is absolutely stupid when we potentially have the solid witch/hound/insane scout setup.

In addition, if you all happen to, by luck, pressure a HB, all he needs to do is claim a power-role. In this set-up, without a Jeraziah, this means that the counterclaimer will end up dying the next night. Not a terrible trade, sure, but this is a best-case scenario.

Right now the benefit of pressuring people is low compared to the high-risk of burying the grave for a power-role.

For Example: What if you continued pressuring Grimm and he's nighthound? He will basically be forced to claim his role, and there would be no Jeraziah to save him. In the end, you all would have helped the Hellbourne. The chances of a case like this happening is almost the same as the chances of actually pressuring a HB, not factoring in saplings.
You all need to look at the roles before jumping on overused tactics that aren't always beneficial.

[Octavia]

Power Roles aren't very useful in any of these setups so I frankly don't care. Identifying scum without reports is easy enough.

[Emiya]

So you think the benefit outweighs the risks even with what I just said?

I have played enough to show that I support pressuring and lynching day 1, but it is very different with only a plausible Jeraziah and potential Succubus.

[Octavia]

If it's set up 1 or 3, we have 2 defensive Power Roles and any Legion Power Roles outted could be protected.

If it's set up 2 or 4, Night Hound and Witch Slayer are both useless. There's only a 1/13 chance of us pressuring somebody important and that's after a 1/2 chance of it being one of those set ups.

So really, the risk is that there's a 1/26 chance of us outing our Scout. The advantage is that we can actually play the game.

[Emiya]

Setup 3 has Succubus. While he might not die, he would still be Mesmerized while HB goes around killing others in search of the Jeraziah.

I'm not sure how you figure NH or Witch are useless. NH can find the designated HB killer and a smart witch can make judgement calls that will make it a lot easier for Legion when it comes time to narrow down suspects. Either way, both roles are useful on night 1, Witch especially so.

You seem to forget Jeraziah in your statistic.

You are disregarding the importance of power-roles and assuming pressuring is an incredibly effective tactic to find HB on day 1. Which it isn't. In fact, we've never found HB on day one.

[Octavia]

NH can stop HB from doing their Power Role ability. He's basically useless in the setups he's in.

[Emiya]

NH = escort if I'm right which means all night actions including killing can be negated by him.

It's a pretty common thing to randomly role-block the designated killer and from that be able to determine who HB is.

[GrimmShado]

I do assure you at least one but who joined the bandwagon is hb. At east we have smoe information on that regard, and while Emiya in entertaining at this pont i feel more inclined towards a Vote Ouker

[Octavia]

Does NH block the mafia killing or just Power Roles?

[Bwomp]

So:
my logic was:
I had scanned the posts for "GrimmShado" in green, counted 5 (because of this 1 stupid quote)
If 5 ppl ball on 1 person at day 1 i can be quite sure, that this person is legion.
just because of the fact that HB know each other right away, and a typical HB player, who had no contact with his team yet, (which they hadnt) is likely to defend his allied player.
in which way ever. may it be that he claims that this guy doesnt look suspicious, or that lynching at day 1 isnt useful at all.

so in my opinion, it IS likely that in this 5 player ball, at least 1 HB is found.

the fact that GrimmShado had just a 4 player ball makes this useless.

anyway: i dont like Oukers attitude at all. but nothing that ensures me is IS HB.

[Nolifer]

Vote Fuga

[Smurf3tte]

unvote Fuga; vote Emiya

Let's No Lynch, so we can have no information. The risks are too high! Maybe we can invite the Hellbourne over for brunch and sort out all of our problems.

Or we could not be retarded and look for someone to Lynch.

[Ouker]

unvote Fuga; vote Emiya

Let's No Lynch, so we can have no information. The risks are too high! Maybe we can invite the Hellbourne over for brunch and sort out all of our problems.

Or we could not be retarded and look for someone to Lynch.
This scores a good point. At this point, there's a high chance that a key role were to be lynched early, without the possibility of actually being of use. Like in the scenario that Jeraziah was lynched, and then there would be no one to protect people like Nomes or Smurf, that seem to be quite dangerous if left alone.

Anyway, I will keep my vote on Grimm.

[Nolifer]

Seems like we should decide who to lynch between Emiya and GrimmShado.

Vote Emiya

[Fuga]

nomes' sure put everyone against some dude. suspicious

unvote smurf3; vote Emiya

[Smurf3tte]

nomes' sure put everyone against some dude. suspicious
Sure is suspicious that you call it suspicious then bandwagon.

Anyways, after I saw his posts I was going to vote him anyways, talking to Nomes just made him look sillier.

[Bwomp]

god.

right now:
i absolutely hate this "Fuga" guy.
even if he is Legion.
he has NO opinion, way to jumpy, and only joins other ppl's votes.

idc if he is legion or hellbourne or whatnot, but this guy isnt doing any good for us.

-vote Fuga

[Otolia]

So Emiya, aside from softclaiming a power role, what do you think of this wagon ?

[Emiya]

So Emiya, aside from softclaiming a power role, what do you think of this wagon ?
I think people don't know how to read into posts.

Well, there's not much point in saying what role I am. Unless this is setup one I'm either going to die or get mesmerized anyway.

[Fuga]

Betting 5 bux that nolifer and Em are hellbourne. :scou:

[Fuga]

that said, i think we should just see what happens during the night.
unvote Emilya, vote No Lynch

[Nolifer]

Fuga, you seem to be sure that Emiya is hb, but you somehow came to the decision that you'd rather not vote someone you think is hb?

You know what, I think you're just a very messy hb.

Vote Fuga

[Smurf3tte]

I think people don't know how to read into posts.

Well, there's not much point in saying what role I am. Unless this is setup one I'm either going to die or get mesmerized anyway.
Guise, guise look at me I'm soft-claiming a power role so hard, omg learn how to read into posts! You guys are all stupid I am smart lol.

[Emiya]

Guise, guise look at me I'm soft-claiming a power role so hard, omg learn how to read into posts! You guys are all stupid I am smart lol.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings? I just post aggressively/arrogantly in Mafia.

[GrimmShado]

I don't like either how FUga or Ouker are onducting themselves, however Lucian has only posted one time, and it was not a "in game post" just a lurking one. So there's that. I would vote any of these 3, yes chances are we are killing a legion, but at least we get some info, unlike a no-lynch where we lose still a player and get no info whatsoever.

[Vexium]

vote: Fuga

[Smurf3tte]

Sorry if I hurt your feelings? I just post aggressively/arrogantly in Mafia.
SOrry, you aren't good enough to post arrogantly.

[Ouker]

I don't like either how FUga or Ouker are onducting themselves, however Lucian has only posted one time, and it was not a "in game post" just a lurking one. So there's that. I would vote any of these 3, yes chances are we are killing a legion, but at least we get some info, unlike a no-lynch where we lose still a player and get no info whatsoever.
Considering that you most likely have any power role (or imp even) because you seem to be overprotective of yourself. And I still think you are just trying to squirm. But I just hope you're the opposite team, which you likely are. Or not likely. Anyway, my vote stays on you.

[Smurf3tte]

unvote Emiya; vote Nolifer

Why am I unvoting Emiya? Because he's probably not Hellbourne. He may or may not be a power role, I don't really care nor does that have an effect on my vote.

However he has made a common newbie mistake, last game he was a lost little lamb hiding in the back and scared. He was also Hellbourne.

The common mistake he made is being scared to be aggressive when he's Hellbourne. Is it possible that he's since learned from his mistake? Sure, but unlikely I doubt he even realized he was making a mistake.

So at the risk of being too meta, I'm going to say: Emiya gaining the confidence to be aggressive probably didn't come from him learning, rather that he's now Legion.

I'm not saying this is be all or end all, or that I wouldn't vote him in future if I had a reason, but for now I don't think he's worth lynching.

[Emiya]

Alright, I'm not going to comment on your conclusion, but why Nolifer rather than Fuga?

[Smurf3tte]

I didn't provide a reason for voting Nolifer, for a reason.

[Bwomp]

i want to explain my reason on Fuga:

even if he is legion.
it doesnt matter.
we cant use him. These posts were the most stupid and dumb thing i have ever read in the Werewolf games. srsly.

if he turns out HB it is a double win, and even the if he is legion, the lynch on him will do us good.

[Emiya]

No Luynch (1) - Nolifer
No Lynch (1) - Emiya
Nolifer is phantom because he voted no luynch.

[Nolifer]

My conclusion of Emiya is that he's either a sapling or hb.

[Nolifer]

Nolifer is phantom because he voted no luynch.
Can't argue against that.

[Nolifer]

After all, I don't like lunch.

[Bwomp]

After all, I don't like lunch.

*offtopic alert*
you're more the dinner type, eh?

[Octavia]

unvote; vote Nolifer

[Nolifer]

*offtopic alert*
you're more the dinner type, eh?
Huge dinners.

[Lucian01]

So what happens if a no lunch vote goes though?

I haven't got a clue just yet on who's scum and who isn't but for the sake of participation I'll follow with Nomes and vote Nolifer.

His hatred of lunch has no place here.

[Vexium]

My conclusion of Emiya is that he's either a sapling or hb.


this was an odd thing to say. care to explain why you are fishing for Emiya's role? my vote will stay on Fuga for now

[GrimmShado]

To me Ouker and Lucian are more attention deserving than Fuga, thing is, chances he's hb are slim he probably is just new to the game or confused. However if no one is willing to support a lynch on Ouker, i'll be willing to go for emiya just becaus ehis "pally" claiming is not fun anymore.

[Chuth]

Fuga is most likely a bored/noob sapling, but is still a safe lynch.
Emiya I'm suspicious of, has claimed pally in the past and look at what Emiya was.

I'm not really sure about others.

[GrimmShado]

Thing is, is probably a mistake to judge based on previous games. He said same thing when he was legion and when he was hb, and even if he were hb he could be just keeping it consistent to confuse, so to me that means nothing. In my book he could go both ways.

[Chuth]

Even if Emiya is jerry (doubt it) she'd (?) probably just get mezz'd/devoured.

Do people know if their actions are blocked in the night?

[Nolifer]

Thing is, is probably a mistake to judge based on previous games. He said same thing when he was legion and when he was hb, and even if he were hb he could be just keeping it consistent to confuse, so to me that means nothing. In my book he could go both ways.
When he was hb, he did NOT pull off "im pally". That's what caused me to reroute my thoughts from you to him last game.

[Nolifer]

this was an odd thing to say. care to explain why you are fishing for Emiya's role? my vote will stay on Fuga for now
Just a conclusion, take it as you want.

[Octavia]

Nolifer is scum please lynch

[Vexium]

leaning towards a Nolifer lynch as well.

[Fuga]

we're making a big mistake, we need to not lynch anyone and see what happens
unvote nolifer!!

[Octavia]

we're making a big mistake, we need to not lynch anyone and see what happens
unvote nolifer!!
k

unvote; vote Fuga

[Bwomp]

we're making a big mistake, we need to not lynch anyone and see what happens
unvote nolifer!!

Thats what she said.
my vote stays on you.

[Lucian01]

we're making a big mistake, we need to not lynch anyone and see what happens
unvote nolifer!!

:arma::arma::arma:

Vote Fuga

[Nolifer]

Vahn, please fix the typo properly. :]

[Nolifer]

Fuga (4) - Bwomp, Lucian01, NomesWisdom, Vexium
No Lynch (2) - Emiya, Nolifer
Bwomp (1) - Chuth
Emiya (1) - Otolia
GrimmShado (1) - Ouker
Nolifer (1) - Smurf3tte
Ouker (1) - GrimmShado

Fuga (5) - Bwomp, Lucian01, Nolifer, NomesWisdom, Vexium
No Lynch (1) - Fuga
Bwomp (1) - Chuth
Emiya (1) - Otolia
GrimmShado (1) - Ouker
Nolifer (1) - Smurf3tte
Ouker (1) - GrimmShado

Fix it please : D

[Nolifer]

Btw I forgot adding Emiya voting no lunch.

[Bwomp]

srsly. nolifer?
wtf are you doing?
Vahn is updating this every time he looks in the thread.

[Emiya]

I'm pretty sure Fuga is trolling harder than is healthy for the game.

Vote Fuga

[Nolifer]

srsly. nolifer?
wtf are you doing?
I'm trying to help make sure the vote list is correct.



Vahn is updating this every time he looks in the thread.
Yes, but that doesn't mean he notices typos as he's using a program.

[GrimmShado]

K, Pretty sure fuga is a sapling, but he's asking hard for a lynch. I really rather vote anyone else.

[Smurf3tte]

k

unvote; vote Fuga
Agreed.



unvote Nolifer; vote Fuga

[Ouker]

unvote GrimmShado; vote Fuga

[Vahn]

Votes

Key: Player name (Number of votes against player) - List of players who voted.

Fuga (8) - Bwomp, Emiya, Lucian01, Nolifer, NomesWisdom, Otolia, Smurf3tte, Vexium
Bwomp (1) - Chuth
GrimmShado (1) - Ouker
No Lynch (1) - Fuga
Ouker (1) - GrimmShado

Players who haven't voted yet:

With 8 votes Fuga (Sapling) has been lynched.

Night 1
It is now night time, night will last until all power roles and the hellbourne have deicide on their actions with a maximum of 48 hours.

[Vahn]

Day 2
The villagers wake up to find Bwomp (Sapling) and GrimmShado (Sapling) have both died during the night.

[Octavia]

Lol and people say Witch Slayer is useful for town.

Good job retard you just told them we have no defensive power roles and killed a Sapling.

[Lucian01]

At least we know our scout is insane, which would explain why he's still alive.

[Otolia]

At least we know our scout is insane, which would explain why he's still alive.
Scout wasn't outed. Emiya softclaimed a power role and didn't die. There is no way to guess the setup as of right now.

I am still on Emiya's trail.

[Octavia]

Scout wasn't outed. Emiya softclaimed a power role and didn't die. There is no way to guess the setup as of right now.

I am still on Emiya's trail.
2 people died
:witc::witc::witc::witc::witc::witc::witc: :witc::witc::witc::witc::witc::witc::witc::witc:

[Vexium]

:rolleyes::witc::witc: dat witch :witc::witc::rolleyes:


At least we know our scout is insane, which would explain why he's still alive.

Actually no, but what it does tell us is that our insane scout is going to be mesmerized by Succubus; or, in other words, this is more than likely Setup 4.

[Chuth]

:witc:: trololol *shoot*

The good news is we know that we are either in Setup 2 or 4, the only difference being a succubus or devourer.

The bad news is HB now know that legion's roles are pretty useless.

The witch who killed Grimmshado was either:witc:: Smurf3tte, Ouker, Vexium, Nolifer, or someone lurking in the background.



Oh, and I think there should be an :andr:, who the user can swap their role with a target (then the ability is unusuable and the recipient of the swap becomes a sapling/imp)

[Nolifer]

On the bright side, at least scout knows he's insane.

[Chuth]

As well as that.

[Chuth]

But, since we have no protective role, if the insane scout claims and calls out a HB, and is believed, then they'll just be killed the following night.

Always a silver lining :)

[Octavia]

bottom line is witch slayer is a retard so that narrows it down to about half of you for hellbourne

[Vahn]

Replacement player
Due to inactivity Smurf3tte has been replaced by Fossegrim

[Emiya]

/facepalm everywhere

[Emiya]

I don't want to heavily suggest a lynch right now, but I want everyone to keep in mind Nomes still has a chance of being HB, so don't mindlessly follow everything he says even if it sounds good.

Right now I'm going to keep my suspicions to myself since I don't think they'll pick up any wind.

[Ouker]

I don't want to heavily suggest a lynch right now, but I want everyone to keep in mind Nomes still has a chance of being HB, so don't mindlessly follow everything he says even if it sounds good.

Right now I'm going to keep my suspicions to myself since I don't think they'll pick up any wind.
That's a good idea. Nomes is after all pretty powerful in terms of psychology.
Anyway, im not sure whether to laugh or cry at that :witc:...
Each power role is still alive. At least the Witch can't KS from the hellbourne anymore.
Speaking of whitch, since the players who died were Bwomp and Grimm, it must've been one of the voters on them that was witch. Which leaves us to...

[Otolia]

Really ?

:devo:

[Nolifer]

Otolia has a point, we may be missing a power role.

[Vexium]

I'd like to point out to our Witch Slayer the following:

-- 9 People currently remain - 6 Legion, 3 Hellbourne

-- Assuming we mislynch a Legion today and HB doesn't NK at night, we are left with 4 Legion, 3 Hellbourne

-- This means that if you also shoot incorrectly tonight, we lose the game

-- DON'T SHOOT TONIGHT - the only exception to this being if obvious scum reveals itself today

[Bwomp]

sry guys. i know im dead. but:
Devo DOES NOT KILL anybody.
the only thing devo can do is do "eat the remains" of the target the HB decided to kill the night. nothing more, nothing less.

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/004/1/4/Devourer___HoN___line_art_by_Manidiforbice.jpg

[Nolifer]

sry guys. i know im dead. but:
Devo DOES NOT KILL anybody.
the only thing devo can do is do "eat the remains" of the target the HB decided to kill the night. nothing more, nothing less.
Did anyone think otherwise?

[Emiya]

Otolia has a point, we may be missing a power role.
We would know if Devourer devoured one of the dead players. We just wouldn't know their role.

[Vexium]

for now, vote Chuth


EDIT: actually, make that vote Ouker

[Nolifer]

We would know if Devourer devoured one of the dead players. We just wouldn't know their role.
I see, my bad.

[Otolia]

Devourer - Once per game, the devourer can attempt to Devour somebody. If that person dies, only the devourer will know that person's role.

Nothing here says that we would know that Devourer used his ability. Stop spreading BS.

Vote : Emiya

[Nolifer]

Devourer - Once per game, the devourer can attempt to Devour somebody. If that person dies, only the devourer will know that person's role.

Nothing here says that we would know that Devourer used his ability. Stop spreading BS.

Vote : Emiya

What he says still makes somewhat sense though, as there's not anything explaining what kind of role the dead person would show up as to us.

[Nolifer]

And with that we can assume that it's because the person would simply show up as "Devoured".

[Vexium]

otolia, if someone is devoured, the role is not revealed. both roles were revealed. so ya, devourer did not devour. also, it's more than likely setup 4, as devourer tends to devo early on for more effectiveness.

[Emiya]

Devourer - Once per game, the devourer can attempt to Devour somebody. If that person dies, only the devourer will know that person's role.

Nothing here says that we would know that Devourer used his ability. Stop spreading BS.

Vote : Emiya

You're dumb as ****.

[Otolia]

There is too much holes in the ruleset.

Nothing is said about what will be the response to a devour. As a mod, I would reveal alignment but not the role. So Devour could have used his ability.

[Vexium]

otolia, while i applaud your careful scrutiny, i can tell you that in the last game (or the one before it) Devourer devoured and the result was the person showing up as the kill with no alignment or role.

regardless, both of last night's deaths were '(Sapling)', which clearly specifies the role and alignment... so yeah.

[Octavia]

Why don't you read the if that person dies part of it? Seriously, Otolia is probably the most retarded person who plays these games. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the Witch Slayer.

[Chuth]

Well, once again Emiya has lied about claiming pally. I can never trust her again, I don't see why people still do. 2/2 times she claimed pally, she wasn't.

Also, why did I get a red vote from Vexium :(
And Vahn1670, can you clear up devourer's role.

[Octavia]

The role is entirely unambiguous you guys are just retarded

[Vahn]

And Vahn1670, can you clear up devourer's role.


Vahn1670


1670

:madm:


It's very clearly written "if the target dies", devourer does not kill it's target it only works if the target dies from something else, generally the HB night kill would do that.

[Chuth]

Ok, thanks xX_Vahn1670646545_Xx.

[Ouker]

Silly people still calling Vahn numbers.

[Chuth]

Your dark and shameful name origins shall never be forgotten.

[Nolifer]

Well, once again Emiya has lied about claiming pally. I can never trust her again, I don't see why people still do. 2/2 times she claimed pally, she wasn't.

Also, why did I get a red vote from Vexium :(
And Vahn1670, can you clear up devourer's role.
3 times*

[Otolia]

Why don't you read the if that person dies part of it? Seriously, Otolia is probably the most retarded person who plays these games. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the Witch Slayer.

But the target can be protected by someone or being untargetable at night. As I said there is so much holes in the ruleset and you'd be wise not to be too full of yourself and assume things that can't be proven. Since Vahn explain the situation, I have no more intention to argue on this subject.

We can now move towards Emiya's lynch.

[Ouker]

Arguably a good idea to go for Emiya, considering he's sidetracking too.

Vote: Emiya

[Vexium]

ouker y u ignore me fos'ing u

[Emiya]

Well, once again Emiya has lied about claiming pally. I can never trust her again, I don't see why people still do. 2/2 times she claimed pally, she wasn't.
Pally doesn't mean doctor. Pally means power role. But on that note, I'll raise a little proposition.

I would like to ask all three power roles to state that they are a power role. Not which one they are specifically, but that they are one. In the meantime, everyone should stop voting.

[Vexium]

no emiya. we are not claiming, period, on a day with a ML.

[Emiya]

Doesn't matter if we can afford ML. We can clear 4 people right now with claiming and scout's report.

If Scout gets killed tonight our chances will decrease without his report. It will be much easier for HB to false claim at that point. We also do not know if there is a devourer or not, who'll probably devour a power-role to confuse us if we wait until tomorrow.

I was also thinking of waiting until tomorrow, however the fact that there could be a devourer (and assuming madman did scout) throws the advantage we have today out the window.

[Vexium]

mmm i guess i forgot madman was in the two setups. ok all 3 PRs claim but dont claim a role. scout, if one of the people who claimed a PR is ur report, dont out.

however, if ur report is not one of the other two people that claim PR, claim as scout and give us ur report.

obviously if u were memmed u should stay quiet for now besides claiming PR.

[Octavia]

Here's a better idea~~

Everyone claim Scout. Everyone give a report. If the real Scout dies we will know his report. The only problem with this is that anyone who makes a claim that is wrong, Hellbourne will know and can narrow down the possible candidates for Scout.

[Emiya]

Well that's a viable option too, though a bit complicated. There's still the issue of devourer devouring Scout so we won't know if he's Scout or not.

[Ouker]

I don't have a power role. Rly.

[Otolia]

So Emiya wants a massclaim, huh ?

[Ouker]

Breaking the silence here, anyway I have taken a few suspections;

Emiya; just as Otolia said, he's pretty weird wanting a massclaim. Im not sure what would happen if everyone claimed scout and started assumptions but... Probably HB would gain the advantage from it.
NomesWisdom: Why exactly is he still alive? He's Nomes. Either HB is purposefuly trying to make him look like HB or he's the HB.

[Emiya]

How is it weird wanting a massclaim? I already explained my reasoning. Every post you've made to oppose me has amounted to long jumps in logic without providing any reasoning whatsoever. If I am HB you are being incredibly detrimental to Legion by not explaining your thoughts and appearing random and nonsensical.

[Lucian01]

Sorry for inactivity guys. Computer troubles.

Anyway how bout' a good ol scout report to move things along? :p

If the scout got nothing interesting last night, I'd like to see one on Nomes, nothing personal but when he survives day 1 it's usually because he's hb.

[Nolifer]

I was gone for the weekend and I'm dead tired atm so I'm not sure who I want to vote. Will see if I get time to read the thread thoroughly tomorrow.

[Otolia]

How is it weird wanting a massclaim? I already explained my reasoning. Every post you've made to oppose me has amounted to long jumps in logic without providing any reasoning whatsoever. If I am HB you are being incredibly detrimental to Legion by not explaining your thoughts and appearing random and nonsensical.
No, a massclaim is a way to limit the influence of the HB by putting them first in line. A PR is less likely to propose a massclaim because he will be outed . I think you are trying to fool us.

[Vexium]

No, a massclaim is a way to limit the influence of the HB by putting them first in line. A PR is less likely to propose a massclaim because he will be outed . I think you are trying to fool us.

what? i don't even... dat logic...


anyway, we're going to be at a standstill until we see some leadership on Legion side. the best way to achieve this is to have our 3 PRs claim that they are in fact a PR.

and if HB tries to fake-claim a PR as well, we will be in an even better situation.

either way, it is to our advantage to see our 3 PRs claim as such (or something to this effect): "I am a Legion PR"

[Emiya]

If I haven't made this clear, I would like to again specify that I am a Legion PR.

[Emiya]

What's with this inactivity? The other Mafia has 2x the posts this one does.

[Octavia]

Legion not posting cause we're gonna lose anyway and hellbourne not posting cause they'll win by avoiding suspicion. This is really a growing issue with mafia on these forums that I'm planning on tackling.

[Lucian01]

Well for point of reference lets have a look at who hasn't been posting in the last few days:

Chuth - Hasn't said a word for quite a while now...and his last two posts were nothing more but jokes
Fossegrim - Fossegrim is in this game?
Lucian01 - 21st rapture blew my harddrive, I'm serious!
Nolifer - Was on holidays apparently

Vote Fossegrim

Hasn't posted a single thing! Really, see for yourselves, not so much as a word. Probably the best lead we have for a lynch right now.

[Octavia]

Vote Fossegrim

[Chuth]

I didn't even know we had someone caled Fossegrim. Or even heard of him at all for that matter.

Vote Fossegrim

[Chuth]

BTW A hint to those who play mafia:

If you change options to display more posts/page, it makes it much easier to read/follow (I think it's 300%)

[Bwomp]

sorry i have to interrupt again:
it looks like Fossegrim had replaced Smurf3tte.
(though i dont recall the point where Vahn said so.
maybe Vahn forgot to mail Fossegrim and post it here as well. Oo)

[Ouker]

sorry i have to interrupt again:
it looks like Fossegrim had replaced Smurf3tte.
(though i dont recall the point where Vahn said so.
maybe Vahn forgot to mail Fossegrim and post it here as well. Oo)
A point I was also about to mention.
Also considering he replaced someone inactive and not being active after this, I assume he's a sapling.

[Nolifer]

Vahn did post in the thread that he was replaced, but that was like 3 pages ago.

[Vexium]

#1: Vahn already said that smurf3tte has been replaced by Fossegrim.

#2: No further voting until the other 2 Legion PRs have claimed to be Legion PRs (Emiya claimed). At this point, any further voting will be considered uber-scummy.

#3: We want the 3 Legion PRs to lead a lynch. Please be patient until at least 3 claims are in.

[Nolifer]

Vote Nomeswisdom

[Nolifer]

Oh ok then, Unvote Nomeswisdom.

[Vexium]

lulz

[Nolifer]

Indeed.

[Otolia]

Oh gawd ... Outing town PR is bad, and that's even an understatement.

Vote : Vexium

[Vexium]

.................................

[Otolia]

Think about it, why would any VT force town PR to designate themselves as target in D2 ? It would lead us nowhere, absolutely nowhere, but straight in the wall.

As for Emiya not understanding what a massclaim is, I'll say this : a massclaim is a way for townies to gain information in order to make a decision in a Lynch or Lose situation. We aren't in this situation, there is no need to organize a massclaim.

[Otolia]

Think about it, why would any VT force town PR to designate themselves as target in D2 ? It would lead us nowhere, absolutely nowhere, but straight in the wall.

As for Emiya not understanding what a massclaim is, I'll say this : a massclaim is a way for townies to gain information in order to make a decision in a Lynch or Lose situation. We aren't in this situation, there is no need to organize a massclaim.

[Nolifer]

Can't give you guys much except that I really think Nomeswisdom is hellbourne.

[Vexium]

well, there are reasons to massclaim and reasons not to. currently, seeing as how there really isn't a super obvious scum player at this point, the reasons to massclaim outweigh the reasons not to - as of right now, though that may change.

[Emiya]

As for Emiya not understanding what a massclaim is, I'll say this : a massclaim is a way for townies to gain information in order to make a decision in a Lynch or Lose situation. We aren't in this situation, there is no need to organize a massclaim.
I already understand this. However if we mislynch today we will be in said situation, the problem is with a devourer a mass claim can go terribly wrong if we wait until day 3.

Can't give you guys much except that I really think Nomeswisdom is hellbourne.
Oh sure, I think so too. However, I want to sort this out first.

[Emiya]

Otolia if you are a PR I want you to go along and claim.

[Chuth]

#1: Vahn already said that smurf3tte has been replaced by Fossegrim.

#2: No further voting until the other 2 Legion PRs have claimed to be Legion PRs (Emiya claimed). At this point, any further voting will be considered uber-scummy.

#3: We want the 3 Legion PRs to lead a lynch. Please be patient until at least 3 claims are in.

?? Emiya claimed pally, which is IMPOSSIBLE.

[Octavia]

at this point it would do good for the game for any inactives to simply be modkilled because I really cbf playing a game this slow

[Ouker]

at this point it would do good for the game for any inactives to simply be modkilled because I really cbf playing a game this slow

I just can't help agreeing with this point. People, is it really THAT hard to post AT LEAST once or twice a day in something you agreed to participate? Please do so.
To make things worse, a lot of the thread's post are jokes. Not a lot actually, too many more precisely.
Get on with the psychowards. If there's no conversation, HB will win more easier than Tremblerape wins 1300MMR games with :trem:.

[Lucian01]

Stop with this massclaim rubbish and lynch Fossgrim please.

[Vexium]

vote Lucian01

yes i went there

[Octavia]

i think anyone who hasn't posted in the thread in the last 3 days should be modkilled

[Vahn]

You know that's only one person.

[Otolia]

You know that's only one person.

But this person didn't post. I'm with Roger on this, or give his spot to someone killed in D1/N1.

[Octavia]

no just kill him/her dont care if it's scout or mafia or sapling waiting for replacements will just stagnate us even more

[Fossegrim]

Parlay? If you lynch me, mah homies gon lynch you.
.. am sorry im just tryin to get a hang of this game.

[Nolifer]

Parlay? If you lynch me, mah homies gon lynch you.
.. am sorry im just tryin to get a hang of this game.
I suggest you skim through some earlier versions of the game.

Read the rules as well.

[Nolifer]

Vote Nomeswisdom

[Emiya]

If the other PR's claimed we would have 100% been able to lynch a HB. Oh well, their roles are OH SO IMPORTANT.

Vote NomesWisdom

[Emiya]

Look, let me reiterate.

With 3 power roles and scout's report, we can confirm 4 players RIGHT NOW.

Why can't we do this tomorrow when we're lynch or lose?

Because with Devourer, we can't figure out fake claims as well as we can today. If we can't figure out the fake claim in time we will lose. It's likely that Madman has already stalked someone, however he hasn't had time to tell HB yet. HB is at their weakest right now. They won't even have a coherent plan to counteract a mass claim since they can only speak in private at night.

Please, just claim. If you claim, we will win.

[Lucian01]

Leave Nomes till tomorrow please.


Parlay? If you lynch me, mah homies gon lynch you.
.. am sorry im just tryin to get a hang of this game.

You won't get the hang of anything by ignoring it days on end.

[Vexium]

i agree with emiya again. massclaiming today is ideal.

[Emiya]

Lastly, this is what I'm thinking right now, in order from who I think is the most HB to least.

NomesWisdom - I think he's HB or a Sapling, I highly doubt he's a PR. He is playing exactly how he was playing when he was HB a few games ago. I feel like he will be able to get out of it later if we don't lynch him right now.

Ouker - Hes mostly been latching on to either Otolia or NomesWisdom. He voted for Fuga and voted for me right after Otolia did.

Otolia - To be honest I thought he was a PR, but I can't be sure. Hes been on my ass all game which makes me want to think he's just trying to find HB best he can. However Ouker is like his puppy.

Lucian - He doesn't say anything like every game. No comment.

Chuth - I think he's a PR. But he has not claimed, so I don't know.

Fosse - I originally thought he might be HB, however recent events changed my mind completely. The only people who have desperately wanted to lynch him are people I'm not sure about, and people I think are Legion have not.

Vexium - To give it a number, I think there's a 70% chance he's Legion and 30% chance he's a convincing HB. However I trust him a lot right now.

Nolifer - Most Legion player.

[Vexium]

Actually, I just realized something:

If you are a Legion PR, please claim that you are "a Legion PR."

We must do this at this point since Emiya already claimed.

Other two Legion PRs, not claiming at this point will royally screw us over. We await your claims to move forward.

[Lucian01]

NomesWisdom - I think he's HB or a Sapling, I highly doubt he's a PR. He is playing exactly how he was playing when he was HB a few games ago. I feel like he will be able to get out of it later if we don't lynch him right now.
He won't. In fact just slay him if you're so sure, that'll give us some more options. I would have rather waited for some more leads from nomes but I guess that's too late with all the heat you've put on him.


Lucian - He doesn't say anything like every game. No comment.
Actually every game I die day 1-2. I've yet to make it to day 3 in a game of mafia.

[Octavia]

The only reason I look scummy is because I haven't actively scum-hunted yet. There aren't any leads to go off and because nobody was posting anything I just sort of ignored this game for a while. I can't even remember who my vote is on, so I guess I'll unvote that one.

[Nolifer]

The only reason I look scummy is because I haven't actively scum-hunted yet. There aren't any leads to go off and because nobody was posting anything I just sort of ignored this game for a while. I can't even remember who my vote is on, so I guess I'll unvote that one.
And then you nail the reason I was originally voting you. It just doesn't make sense for you to keep a low profile if you're legion, since the madman most likely has stalked you alrdy.

Unvote NomesWisdom

The massclaim request needs to get a conclusion before we do anything else.

[Octavia]

What did Emiya claim to be again? I couldn't find it sweeping through his posts.

[Lucian01]

Emiya claims to be pally every game. In this set up there is no pally.

[Emiya]

Pally doesn't mean doctor. Pally means power role.
This

I'm not revealing what PR I am right now.

[Octavia]

I'd hardly even call that a claim. Assuming you're Legion, it's just as likely in the eyes of HB that you're a sapling trying to save a PR for one night.

Considering Fossgrim's only post was active-lurking, that seems rather odd for a newly entered Legion player. I'd mention the fact that Smurf3tte was totally disinterested in this game from the start, but I think her being replaced is due to total absence from the forum rather than just this game. From what I can tell, Fossgrim is inexperienced and lurking. I doubt his ability to be useful to us even if he's a Sapling.

Vote: Fossgrim

[Ouker]

NNomes is right on the thing that Fosse is completely waste, and not worth a thing as a sapling or anything, but this might also be NomesWisdom being hb that wants to hunt for people that even the legion agrees on preying onto. They wouldn't lose any players. It would be Nomeylike.

Vote NomesWisdom

[Lucian01]

OK, since it's clear we're not getting any momentum on a Fossgrim lynch:

Vote NomesWisdom

I suppose if Nomes comes up as hb we can assume Foss is just useless, tardy guy and move on to someone else. So lets just end day 2 shall we?

[Octavia]

NNomes is right on the thing that Fosse is completely waste, and not worth a thing as a sapling or anything, but this might also be NomesWisdom being hb that wants to hunt for people that even the legion agrees on preying onto. They wouldn't lose any players. It would be Nomeylike.
Vote NomesWisdom

OK, since it's clear we're not getting any momentum on a Fossgrim lynch:

Vote NomesWisdom

I suppose if Nomes comes up as hb we can assume Foss is just useless, tardy guy and move on to someone else. So lets just end day 2 shall we?
Neither of these posts make any sense. You're making conclusions you want to make by looking for evidence that isn't there. The preceding statements to either of your votes don't actually justify the votes and are only there as filler. Only someone with a secret agenda would be making their conclusions before their evidence.

[Vexium]

Ouker, Lucian01, and Fossegrim all seem like good lynches at this point.

Regardless, we can't just ignore the fact that Emiya claimed Legion PR.

Please stop being stupid and claim Legion PR if you are Legion PR.

[Lucian01]

Regardless, we can't just ignore the fact that Emiya claimed Legion PR.

Actually everyone can and everyone will. You might be new to this but Emiya has been playing for awhile and he does exactly the same thing every game.

[Vexium]

no he really doesn't. and as of right now you no longer speak for everyone on account of your massive scummy-ness.

[Emiya]

Might revote him but just so nothing unexpected happens

Unvote NomesWisdom

[Emiya]

I'm up for getting rid of Ouker as well.

[Fossegrim]

Im sorry i have been very busy the past few days. I've been recruiting my friend to hon and trying to learn him some hints and tips. Then i got a message from vahn that i was replaced by smurf. I would call that a bad timing though but i've been tryin to read the rules and just thought it was abit difficult so i asked for advice from Vahn.
When i finally got the hang of it and wanted to post something yesterday, i couldn't even log into hon forums cause of the ddos attack. Honestly i havent read the whole thread yet besides from page 9-11.
So for my first vote i will
Vote NomesWisdom
Reasons: I think he decided that it would be a right time to lynch me because i was a noob and a total waste and the fact that i was inactive. A perfect excuse for a hb.

[Octavia]

Read: Reacting in fear that your scumminess is transparent. An attempt to take out the competition. A really pathetic retort really, especially when it has no substance.

Again, conclusions are being made before any evidence is found. I've always been an advocate of eliminating useless and inactive players. It both reinforces the spirit and fun of the game and it allows for easier scum hunting when it comes down to LYLO or MYLO.

[Fossegrim]

I understand that u think of me of a scum just because i am a replacement in a bad time. Anyway, how can you get any evidence? Wait for day 3? Again, im sorry but im still trying to get a hang of this game. Maybe this game is not for me since you take this game too seriously and consider me as a scum and a useless player or maybe im starting to make sense. I stand by my vote.
EDIT: Misspelled scum and wrote replaced instead of replacement.

[Octavia]

You're scum because your actions have been scummy. Experience doesn't factor into it.

[Fossegrim]

Well, i tried to explain why but it just doesnt seem to get through your thick skull.

[Octavia]

You didn't explain anything. You came into the game as a replacement and jumped on the player with the most votes at the current time because you saw it as an easy vote and provided no reason for it other than "he voted me qq". Your explanation for this is that you're inexperienced and an idiot, in which case I want you gone anyway.

Think of it this way. If you're lynched and turn up Legion, we will lose a useless player and allowed easier success in our lynching through character reading. If you're lynched and turn up Hellbourne, the obvious positive to this situation I shouldn't have to explain. It's a win-win from my eyes and when your only defense supports my premise you aren't really attmepting to convince me very effectively of your innocence.

[Fossegrim]

I tried to explain why i was inactive and not posting? Anyways im not even gonna bother, i thought this game was for fun and deception, which turned out to be complete a flamewar. Do whatever you want though i still stand by my vote and if i get lynched i wish you all farewell. Dont understand why theres always a person who takes stuff too seriously in the forums and have to call other people names just because they get too cariried away.

[Lucian01]

i thought this game was for fun and deception, which turned out to be complete a flamewar. Dont understand why theres always a person who takes stuff too seriously in the forums and have to call other people names just because they get too cariried away.

Don't get too upset over Nomes attacks, he's just a cunning player who likes to win ;)

Thanks for participating anyway.


no he really doesn't. and as of right now you no longer speak for everyone on account of your massive scummy-ness.

Trolololol. Seems you learn't nothing from your mistakes last game.

We're just going in circles now. Someone wake me once we've made a decision, these are my notes for now:

Fossgrim, Vexium: Probably legion but so gosh darn useless. In such a small game we just have to tough it out with such players.

Otilla, Cutch, : Lurking way too much in the last few days, could very easily be sitting back hoping for some townie dramas to do their job for them.

Nomes, Ouker: These guys seem to be playing classic honwolf hb. They may vote one another but it's likely to be a ruse, and a low risk one considering the slow pace and indecisiveness of the legion to lynch.

Emiya, Nolifer: They've been consistant enough that I beleive them to be legion.

[Octavia]

I tried to explain why i was inactive and not posting? Anyways im not even gonna bother, i thought this game was for fun and deception, which turned out to be complete a flamewar. Do whatever you want though i still stand by my vote and if i get lynched i wish you all farewell. Dont understand why theres always a person who takes stuff too seriously in the forums and have to call other people names just because they get too cariried away.
Don't project your emotional baggage out at me. This is a game of deception and right now you're not deceiving anybody.

[Octavia]

Also, I have no idea where you got the image that this was a friendly game. Look at the etymology of lynching for Christ sake!

[Fossegrim]

So what you're telling me now is that you're having fun by being a dick?

[Octavia]

Not being friendly isn't synonymous to being a dick. If you're looking for the wicked, you need only look into a mirror.

[Fossegrim]

Oh we throwin mirror-jokes huh? Since you desperately wants to know who the hellbourne is, all you need to do is look into a mirror.

[Vexium]

Don't get too upset over Nomes attacks, he's just a cunning player who likes to win ;)

Thanks for participating anyway. Tunneling is indeed a legit strat.




Trolololol. Seems you learn't nothing from your mistakes last game.
Ah yes, and would you care to tell me what mistakes those were? Let's go back in time shall we?

Werewolf V3: My main FoSes, aka Finger of Suspicion, aka suspects (in order of appearance)
- YawningAngel, MichaelBurge, Fetyukov, ElementUser, Emiya

Out of those: 1 was Legion, 1 was Legion PR lurking properly - both of which I retracted,

and the other 3 were HB...

meanwhile, you: sheeped and contributed rather little.

Get your facts straight Lucian.




Fossgrim, Vexium: Probably legion but so gosh darn useless. In such a small game we just have to tough it out with such players.

You humor me greatly.

Either way, what we should be doing is waiting for those last 2 Legion PR claims. Of course, knowing that this is the same group that didn't lynch MichaelBurge last game, because he was - and I'm barely paraphrasing here - "smart and stuffs", I realize it's highly unlikely you do the most intelligent action, according to probability.

So, with that said, I think we should vote: Ouker for now.

Hopefully, the other 2 Legion PRs will be grow some balls and realize now's the time to organize a good lynch before we see lylo with an insane scout/witch slayer gone missing/mesmerized.

And no, Emiya does not claim pally every game, and nor has she done it in the same way when she has. Your inability to understand that she has HARDCLAIMED a Legion PR in this game leaves me dumbfounded.

[Ouker]

Why doesn't Vahn put Night 2 on already? It's been Day 2 for like what... 10 days? I don't like this kinda longevity really. Get on with the game.
Also, Fossegrim and Nomes sure are making a farce here.
Edit: Vexium posted at the same time, and I can't help it but the amount of votes on me is weird. Aren't we on the same team? :mage:
You all know that Nomes is cunning. I still think he's kind of suspicious, but after another though I have come to another conclusion:
Unvote NomesWisdom; Vote Emiya
This sets me at a disadvantage, and is a longshot considering it's 50/50 but... Isn't making Legion claim powerroles kind of helpful for, say, a Succubus?
I think Emiya is the imp doing preplanned work, looking out for powerroles to stop them from being active. While keeping succu hidden, no less.

[Emiya]

Meh I'm pretty positive either Ouker or Nomes is a HB (maybe both). If one doesn't work we can just vote for the other.

Having said that it's most likely I'm going to be targeted night 2 since I'm the only one who has claimed.

Vote Ouker

[Nolifer]

@Fossegrim, just because NomesWisdom called your retort pathetic doesn't mean you have to follow up with a personal attack against him, "you're thick skulled".

His talk about mirrors actually makes sense since you were the first to describe the other person negatively without anything backing it up.

If you don't want a flamewar, I suggest you don't take his descriptions of your posts personal.


On-topic: Vote Ouker

[Lucian01]

Ah yes, and would you care to tell me what mistakes those were? Let's go back in time shall we?

Werewolf V3: My main FoSes, aka Finger of Suspicion, aka suspects (in order of appearance)
- YawningAngel, MichaelBurge, Fetyukov, ElementUser, Emiya

Out of those: 1 was Legion, 1 was Legion PR lurking properly - both of which I retracted,

and the other 3 were HB...

meanwhile, you: sheeped and contributed rather little.

Get your facts straight Lucian.

You humor me greatly.

Either way, what we should be doing is waiting for those last 2 Legion PR claims. Of course, knowing that this is the same group that didn't lynch MichaelBurge last game, because he was - and I'm barely paraphrasing here - "smart and stuffs", I realize it's highly unlikely you do the most intelligent action, according to probability.

Vexium, you seem to suffer from a very profound case of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Let me spell it out for you: *Everyone* already suspected burg of being hb, it was VERY obvious, in fact we already had a plan in action to deal with him and his team, yet you, thinking you knew better than the rest of us, demanded that we do things your way OR ELSE, spamming up the thread for some 5 or more pages until you finally spat the dummy and quit the game out of rage. Even after leaving you continued to carry on in the OT and kept posting in the game you said you didn't want to be apart of.

Meanwhile, I drew attention from the hb by falsely claiming a powerrole in a manner that didn't cause distrust among the legion, giving our real PRs precious time collect reports. Winning.


And no, Emiya does not claim pally every game, and nor has she done it in the same way when she has. Your inability to understand that she has HARDCLAIMED a Legion PR in this game leaves me dumbfounded.
It leaves me dumbfounded how you repeat the very same conclusions every post and add nothing more but an added insult thinking it'll persuade people. At the very least you could try and get his gender right. :rolleyes:

Vote Ouker

Day end, please.

[Vexium]

Let me spell it out for you: *Everyone* already suspected burg of being hb, it was VERY obvious, in fact we already had a plan in action to deal with him and his team, yet you, thinking you knew better than the rest of us, demanded that we do things your way OR ELSE, spamming up the thread for some 5 or more pages until you finally spat the dummy and quit the game out of rage. Even after leaving you continued to carry on in the OT and kept posting in the game you said you didn't want to be apart of.

#1) I didn't post more than once after I quit in that game's thread. Come off it.

#2) Had I not tunneled on MichaelBurge and pressured him as I did, none of you would have been willing to lynch him without confirmation.

#3) NOBODY was FoSing him. In fact, besides smurf3tte, the majority of you were convinced he was Legion. I did most of the work in terms of calling out certain players for odd behavior.

#4) I quit out of the game knowing that doing so would legitimize my FoSes even further and solidify a Legion win. Sorry if you can't grasp that.



Meanwhile, I drew attention from the hb by falsely claiming a powerrole in a manner that didn't cause distrust among the legion, giving our real PRs precious time collect reports. Winning.



You did help by fake-claiming, but it could have easily backfired had Fetyukov not acted properly and if HB had acted more intelligently. Lucky you, good job.

I'd like to point out that I don't find you to be a bad player, really. But you keep bringing up stupid **** and create nonsensical arguments. I'm not sure what you gain out of this if you are Legion, but I'm guessing you're just being annoying for your own pleasure. Good for you.

We should still be massclaiming today and my advice will yet again go ignored even though it's right. Surely the next step is for you (Lucian) to say that EVERYONE knew that was the right move to make and decided to go against it because it was logically sound to do so. Yes, sense you -thoroughly- make, Lucian.

Regardless, Lucian, if you want to start a ****-storm, I can start calling you out on every stupid move you make if you'd like.

[Octavia]

Note to Hellbrons:

If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine. If you kill me the game will stagnate and be boring.

[Vexium]

Assuming Ouker is mafia and I die tonight, my FoSes are as such:
(in order of most to least suspicious)

Chuth ---> Lucian01 ---> Otolia

don't forget to monitor what's going on between Fossegrim/Nomeswisdom, though.

[Octavia]

To Witch Slayer,

Do not shoot anybody tonight. Regardless of Ouker's affiliation, a vigilante killing does us no good. If Ouker flips Hellbourne (very likely) we will still have a miss-lynch the following day. If you shoot, you'll waste this miss-lynch.

[Emiya]

Not sure if I should reveal my role so if I'm devoured there's no confusion.

[Vexium]

you probably should. also, aren't you a she?

[Nolifer]

you probably should. also, aren't you a she?
afaik Emiya is a male.

[Vexium]

oh. i thought this was discussed and emiya said "he" was a she.

oh and emiya u dont need to claim which PR u are probably better to let them attempt to fake it if they do end up devo'ing u

[Octavia]

Kill Ouker

[Vahn]

Votes

Key: Player name (Number of votes against player) - List of players who voted.

Ouker (5) - Emiya, Lucian01, Nolifer, NomesWisdom, Vexium
Emiya (1) - Ouker
Fossegrim (1) - Chuth
NomesWisdom (1) - Fossegrim
Vexium (1) - Otolia

Players who haven't voted yet:

With 5 votes Ouker (Imp) has been lynched!

Night 2
It is now night time for up to 48 hours.

[Vahn]

Day 3
Night 2 has ended and the villagers wake up to find Chuth (Madman) died during the night.

[Octavia]

Hellbourne are masochists?

[Yukari]

To an extreme degree it seems. I swear, if this game ends before V6, I'll be so :madm:

[Vahn]

It started with 1 less person and a day before, it should be end before V6.

[Vexium]

let me be the first to say: ROFLRORFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLRFORLFORLFORLFOL

[Lucian01]

#1) I didn't post more than once after I quit in that game's thread. Come off it.

#2) Had I not tunneled on MichaelBurge and pressured him as I did, none of you would have been willing to lynch him without confirmation.

#3) NOBODY was FoSing him. In fact, besides smurf3tte, the majority of you were convinced he was Legion. I did most of the work in terms of calling out certain players for odd behavior.

#4) I quit out of the game knowing that doing so would legitimize my FoSes even further and solidify a Legion win. Sorry if you can't grasp that.

Thanks for proving my point. Even now you still refuse to acknowledge your blunders, thinking yourself as the legion's salvation, and everyone else as blind deaf idiots. I could reitereate again what happened but your clearly too stubborn to even consider a viewpoint that isn't your own. btw LOL @ pretending to quit for strategic reasons, you cried like a little girl in multiple threads. It's a wonder why vahn even let you play again. Hardly suprised you would want to stoop to cheating though. :rolleyes:



You did help by fake-claiming, but it could have easily backfired had Fetyukov not acted properly and if HB had acted more intelligently. Lucky you, good job.
*Claps* You've gone back and figured out things weren't quite the way you first assumed. Congrats. Too bad you had to make the rest of your post flamebait...



But you keep bringing up stupid **** and create nonsensical arguments. I'm not sure what you gain out of this if you are Legion, but I'm guessing you're just being annoying for your own pleasure. Good for you.

We should still be massclaiming today and my advice will yet again go ignored even though it's right. Surely the next step is for you (Lucian) to say that EVERYONE knew that was the right move to make and decided to go against it because it was logically sound to do so. Yes, sense you -thoroughly- make, Lucian.

Regardless, Lucian, if you want to start a ****-storm, I can start calling you out on every stupid move you make if you'd like
Wrong again actually. I tried to brush off your scummy looking trolling attempt in a single line and move on with things but then you went and dug up a fictional account of last game's events to fight over. My initial point was that you have a serious attitude problem that makes you very difficult to work with, something which you've only made more evident in the above post. It was not my intent to single you out (like you're doing with me), but to give perspective. I didn't actually anticipate your arrogance to run this deep.

Vexium you have some serious issues. If you continue flaming me I'll have no choice but to /ignore you. I'm not going to waste any more time on your easily triggered and completely unjustified feuds.

[Lucian01]

Back on topic, now that turned out better than I thought. This game is probably as good as won now that a murder has been averted...Seems we do have a pally afterall ;)

Good thing we kept our cards face down eh? Who knows what would have been the out come if we didn't.

So lets get started: Vote Otolia

On the list of lurking, argeeing with Ourker and trying to lynch Emiya, Cutch would have been next up. Since someone else has already seen to that, I believe that today Otolia is our man...

His lurking and lack of contribution is inexcusable, not to mention his attempts to throw suspicion on Emiya - which after a review of day 2, appears to be to have been the hb game plan.

I'm still not sure about Nomes or Foss, but for now Otolia is certainly our best lead.

[Emiya]

We don't have a pally though, so the only possibility was that night hound role blocked the designated killer.

Anyway, Vote Otolia.

[Nolifer]

wp legion power roles I guess.

Vote Otolia

[Vexium]

lol Lucian i'm not going to argue with you in this game in particular anymore, as it's clear you not only take it personally but must insult others voraciously (btw you're still wrong, bro) when touched the wrong way.

never did i say i was the Legion's salvation or whatever bullshit you're trying to pin on me. regardless, it doesn't change that i chose HB 3/5 times in my suspicions and fmpov it seemed like no one wanted to agree with me on the matter of probability dictating why we should be lynching Michael that day in that game (in fact I had to explain it at least 6 times in 6 different ways and even then it didn't sink in). doing what I did may have been a little cheap in terms of gameplay, but it was honest in that I didn't want to play if the town wasn't intending on listening to probability. i'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that... either way, i didn't really want to quit the game, but i decided i would stand by my word of quitting if Michael wasn't lynched, so I did. i didn't bring it up in other threads - i talked about the matter in the appropriate Werewolf thread. so chill, bucko.

needless to say, everything i say and do in the format of this game is intended to bait you into conversation and tells.

and yea, we don't have a pally.

oh and i hate to do this (well, not really right now), but vote: Lucian01, going off of my recent list of suspicion

[Fossegrim]

Seems like this game is going from suspecting someone, to 1v1 flamewars.
Anyways i Vote Otolia
He is either inactive or only lurking and dodging to be lynched.

[Emiya]

Nomes is clean by the way.

[Nolifer]

Nomes is clean by the way.
you so insane

[Nolifer]

Seems like this game is going from suspecting someone, to 1v1 flamewars.
Anyways i Vote Otolia
He is either inactive or only lurking and dodging to be lynched.

Nothing wrong with 1v1 flamewars, they're part of the game.

[Lucian01]

This message is hidden because Vexium is on your ignore list.

TeeHee. Give up Vex, it's too late for you to sabotage the game now. Go play HoN if want to rage so badly, because I'm done with you.

Pretty sure Foss's vote was the hammer, hopefully that'll be that.

[Vexium]

oh you :)