Glorify's last guide

[Glorify1]

Last guide I'll be making, completely putting the community's choice into this guide. Where as the last time I swapped to a second popular hero, whatever you choose here I will make a guide for. I'll include not only hero guides in the options, but gameplay guides.

[VyyyE]

Why's it your last one? Sucks to hear.

I say Blood Hunter, due to the lack of good guides for that particular hero at the moment

[Liryan]

i'd still like to read a good predator guide, i love that hero even if he isn't a top pick

[Glorify1]

I waste far too much time arguing with retards, rather than finishing the guides.

[Elerion]

Give us a break. We all know you rub one out while calling people retards for daring to suggest that doing what top dota tournament players do may be smarter than what you do.

[Iceman161]

Team Synergy.

[VyyyE]

Give us a break. We all know you rub one out while calling people retards for daring to suggest that doing what top dota tournament players do may be smarter than what you do.
Almost five posts and this is topic is already becoming a flame war...

From the options in the poll Madman sounds like your best bet. Serious lack of good Madman guides as well, and way too many players can't play it worth a damn.

team synergy/drafts/bans

[Tyrando]

Give them game Etiquette!

aka Drafting/Banning/Team Synergy :P

[Iceman161]

Need some metagame guides. No more individual hero guides.

[XQuicksilver]

I'd say madman.. arachna has a few good guides out already and I wouldn't be surprised if kraken gets tweaked again. Imo, Madman is release-ready

[Shadz]

Team synergy, seeing as most people need to learn the 'teamwork' aspect of this game.

Also a huge shame to see you not doing anymore guides.

[arcainic]

funny there isn't an option to not post a guide at all.

[Happyfish]

Team synergy, seeing as most people need to learn the 'teamwork' aspect of this game.

Also a huge shame to see you not doing anymore guides.
this

[Walterion]

Team Synergy, definately.

[WindRaven]

An overview of drafting/picks and team play is probably the most useful to people who lack information about the metagame (See: Glorify's sig)

I also would like to agree that it would be a shame if it were your last guide. You're an excellent player with a lot to offer, a few arguments and controversies don't make your contributions any less stellar.

[ElementUser]

Drafting because I know how to play the rest

[maxxy]

I for one would like to thank Glorify for all the time and effort he put into writing up the guides and FPVoD's. Shame if this his last one. Harsh community.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

Maybe if you weren't such a typical arrogant Dota/HoN player, you wouldn't argue so much with people? But I guess some people can't see much from they stuck-up noses.

Nevertheless, voted for the incoming laughs.

[Santoriin]

awww man...

if the teambased guides win can you do the winning hero guide anyways? (kraken, please)

[Kitad1]

you shouldn't call people retards, its not nice and its offensive

[Lethe]

I'm voting for Kraken here. Will be interesting to see your take on the hero.

[Happyfish]

i love watching terribads try to talk down a guide written by this guy.

All of them are Quality, not really new information but formatted and presented in a very friendly to understand way for others.

The video's are always a great watch, being able to watch another player for style,strat,traits and generally good matchs is always welcome

[Luxpus]

will you still be doing fpvods? please.. do not stop ; )

I'm voting for Kraken here. Will be interesting to see your take on the hero.

Have you seen his FPVod with Kraken?

[Lethe]

well looks like drafting, bans and team synergy will take the cake here :P


Have you seen his FPVod with Kraken?
obviously not. Generally jist of the hero is prob portal key with splash and charge over tidal pull earlier on. From then on prob just tank items etc.

In essence similar to levi really. In hindsight the drafting/bans/team synergy one is prob the best choice.

[_PINK]

Definitely drafting. Effective laning = don't suck.

[binbo]

The general options would win obviously, since that's a common ground everyone have =\

[Murlox]

You guys are a noob.

Don't piss off one of the best contributor at the moment just because you can. And don't vote on anything different from Arachna.

Regards,

[sneakysob]

@#$@#%@#@$%@

Drafting gonna win.

How is this not common knowledge, I barely even played DotA.

Edit: Will you continue with FPVoDs? Since these act as guides in a way anyways.

[Lethe]

@#$@#%@#@$%@

Drafting gonna win.

How is this not common knowledge, I barely even played DotA.

Edit: Will you continue with FPVoDs? Since these act as guides in a way anyways.

it's not common knowledge for many who have not played competitive dota. For those wanting to dip their feet into the competitive scene or even just polish up their drafts for ih's and the like, a guide on this topic isn't in vain.

[LegoPirate]

drafting, because you might actually write a guide that is useful to people instead of calling everyone noob.

[sneakysob]

it's not common knowledge for many who have not played competitive dota. For those wanting to dip their feet into the competitive scene or even just polish up their drafts for ih's and the like, a guide on this topic isn't in vain.

If FPVoDs continue then the only viable option on the poll is Drafting, etc. anyways.

And HoN League is supposedly doing vid guides for every hero "soon."

edit: lol lego

[rockchalk]

drafting, because you might actually write a guide that is useful to people instead of calling everyone noob.
subtle

[Glorify1]

If FPVoDs continue then the only viable option on the poll is Drafting, etc. anyways.

And HoN League is supposedly doing vid guides for every hero "soon."

edit: lol lego

I watched a Hon league video guide just to see how well it was done, and the snotty elitist 13 year old doing them made me turn it off in the first 30 seconds.

[Fu__plate]

Definately the last one. We have a shitload of guides for the other heroes anyway, and you can always pop over to dota guides if you can't find one.

[PsychoClown]

I watched a Hon league video guide just to see how well it was done, and the snotty elitist 13 year old doing them made me turn it off in the first 30 seconds.

I remember a certain video where you were behaving like a 13 year old, a racist 13 year old. :)

[Master0Puppe]

You know what we need more of

Armadon guide

[Kitad1]

i remember a certain video where you were behaving like a 13 year old, a racist 13 year old. :)




buuuuuuuuuuuuuurn

[uhhhahhhohah]

do devourer :(

[Extreme_Cake]

How nicely do I have to ask for you to do a guide to laning as well as the one you're clearly going to be doing?

[sneakysob]

do devourer :(


http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=122387&st=0

[uhhhahhhohah]

*picks hero with 3.2 str gain per level*

*makes 2 bracers*

hurf durf

[Hippie]

I'll be honest, though a lot of your guides are indeed effective and I will miss the quality (though I disagree with you on some points) I won't at all miss your arrogance and constant insulting of everyone who disagrees with you.

[Glorify1]

I remember a certain video where you were behaving like a 13 year old, a racist 13 year old. :)

I don't use a subtle form of insulting, nor did I label it as a guide or post it on youtube.

The guides make you feel like a retard for watching them.


How nicely do I have to ask for you to do a guide to laning as well as the one you're clearly going to be doing?

I'll mention proper lanes, but I won't go into depth about laning as I would of had the community chosen a laning guide. There are lots of subtle points that I won't be talking about that can easily turn a hard lane into an easier lane.

[xahxah]

I waste far too much time arguing with retards, rather than finishing the guides.


That's a good way to not piss everyone off.

[Luxpus]

you could make a team synergy and stuff and then a hellbringer guide.. it would be ****ing awesome

[TBAG1]

Why's it your last one? Sucks to hear.

I say Blood Hunter, due to the lack of good guides for that particular hero at the moment

blood hunter doesnt need a guide.

mid solo > quelling blade and misc. + good denying and last hitting = rush radience then bkb then luxury.

nuff said.

[Glorify1]

blood hunter doesnt need a guide.

mid solo > quelling blade and misc. + good denying and last hitting = rush radience then bkb then luxury.

nuff said.

No reason to derail someone because they're interested in a guide of a hero, just because you know how to play him doesn't mean they do.

[Iceman161]

It's a shame the only person who actually knows what they are talking about is going to stop making guides.

[Happyfish]

i would write sum guide but they would just end up just being one page links to Playdota and Dota allstars

[sneakysob]

It's a shame the only person who actually knows what they are talking about is going to stop making guides.

Not the only person, but Angel is one of the best players around here.

EDIT: SADFISH IS GOOD TOO

[facers]

My vote is for Kraken. :) I'm very interested to hear what your build is with him as well as your playstyle.

[Drastone]

I'd vote for hellbringer to teach all the euros out there lol

That aside I vote for the drafting/team synergy cause it's one thing thats sorely missing from guides. (Can't convince my friends that AoE disables > what they think)

[facers]

Drafting and team synergy???? YAWN........ Cmon people more kraken !!

[Meowshi]

I waste far too much time arguing with retards, rather than finishing the guides.

Don't bother making a guide

This kind of attitude is completely unwarranted. It's unnecessary.

[Glorify1]

Don't bother making a guide

This kind of attitude is completely unwarranted. It's unnecessary.

Oddly enough you're one of the retards I end up arguing with. :)

how about we stop wasting time arguing with retards, and start the guide.



:D

[Glorify1]

I'm actually working on it, I'm just not going to post and edit like I did previously, since I've lost the drive to post guides for the most part.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

It's a shame the only person who actually knows what they are talking about is going to stop making guides.

Surely the guy with 37% wins knows who knows what. Just looking at the title of this thread makes me laugh :D Can I haz more drama?

[tropicaza]

Nobody's going to miss the attitude, that's for sure. Team synergy it is, then.

[Meowshi]

Oddly enough you're one of the retards I end up arguing with. :)

Even more oddly enough, I've only posted in your threads 'once', and that was to get your soul reaper guide taken down because it was incomplete. That post was deleted.

Your attitude is completely disgusting. You have a high and mighty, "Everyone around me is an idiot retard that doesn't know how to play this video game." Combine it with the fact that all your scrimmates are moderators, and we have some A grade corruption over here.

You're disgusting. You need to have some respect for the common man. I'd rather you delete all your guides than have you create another guide, so you can sneer at us even more.

You think you contribute, but all you do is spread around this elitism which will eventually kill the game.

[Iceman161]

Even more oddly enough, I've only posted in your threads 'once', and that was to get your soul reaper guide taken down because it was incomplete. That post was deleted.

Your attitude is completely disgusting. You have a high and mighty, "Everyone around me is an idiot retard that doesn't know how to play this video game." Combine it with the fact that all your scrimmates are moderators, and we have some A grade corruption over here.

You're disgusting. You need to have some respect for the common man. I'd rather you delete all your guides than have you create another guide, so you can sneer at us even more.

You think you contribute, but all you do is spread around this elitism which will eventually kill the game.
Calm down. He's better than you.

[Glorify1]

You think you contribute, but all you do is spread around this elitism which will eventually kill the game.

DotA elitism? You mean it exists in DotA?! Oh yeah, that's right, DotA is still growing bigger and bigger every day regardless of elitism, but it's dying right?

[Minaxter]

where did he say dota elitism? i thought it was just general elitism and asshattery he was referring to.

[Testknight]

I believe Angel himself said it best when he said "Glorify, master of emotions".

Anyways, I didn't vote simply because its obvious which one is going to win. That doesn't mean I won't look forward to reading it though. Here's to hoping you give in to your urge to help people/show off and end up writing another guide afterwards.

[mr2ne1]

I'd really like to see a Madman guide.

[_PINK]

When you are a strongly capable player of any game, it is immensely irritating to have to constantly defend your opinions against the hordes of weaker players who flame you and your opinions over and over again simply because you are better. I don't know whether it's jealousy or just spite that motivates them, but either way it's a pain in the ass. Yes, Angel can be a dick- but he has good reason; namely, that the very scrubs that he tries to help keep trying to knock him down.

Been there, done that. Don't let them get to you, Angel. I think I have a pretty good grasp on how to properly teampick, but I look forward to seeing your take on the matter regardless.

[gatinholsta]

The majority of people in every video game are just plain bad button pushers. But for some reason these same bad players think people care about their ill advised opinions, so you get good threads being crapped on over and over again by useless garbage. It is not hard to see why Angel has adopted his attitude.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

The majority of people in every video game are just plain bad button pushers. But for some reason these same bad players think people care about their ill advised opinions, so you get good threads being crapped on over and over again by useless garbage. It is not hard to see why Angel has adopted his attitude.

Word of advice - Ill-advised people do not try to make guides that are later read my new players in the game. Glorify does.

He is much like the bosses we all have at work - they all take the high ground and scream at everyone, but at the end of the day, everybody knows that they know nothing and are mostly incompetent.

[ForumTroll]

but at the end of the day, everybody knows that they know nothing and are mostly incompetent.

Yes because Glorify knows nothing and is mostly incompetent at hon :rolleyes:


Amusing

[InsaneOdin]

could be guides are only ment for beginner players

later on u will find ur own item build
i admit i watched guides early on (never played dota but full of ass kicking:P)
and i still do only for fun tho

but i never use the item build they recommend on the forums
because i know what to use on which unit

[dreamex]

Yes because Glorify knows nothing and is mostly incompetent at hon :rolleyes:

Amusing

He's just remarkably bull-headed and thinks one approach is the best to every possible scenario without consideration for dynamics that change the game.

It probably works great when everyone is playing meta and you know what's happening but what happens when someone introduces a new line and your cookie cutter bullshit stops working? I'd be surprised if Glorify could stop clinging to his own high horse long enough to figure out a counter.

PS. this happened in DotA (and virtually every game), good teams with good execution run the metagame builds and dominate other opponents doing the same by outplaying them and then along comes an unorthodox team trying to run a new lineup that no one's seen before and people get flabbergasted trying to figure out the counter.

No one is saying Glorify is a bad player or that his team is bad. Only that they're defensive to a fault and can't accept that maybe just maybe, given a specific situation that their opinion is incorrect.

I agree with most of what he says, but him and his crew are a mockery of an open forum.

(not to mention they're all little nerd ragers who think everything is justified because they can "crush" you at a video game)

[Drastone]

People let their emotions interfere too much with logic. I'll admit reading things angel has posted and watching his videos has made me an imensely better player, does that mean he's the best? no. but he IS a good player (anyone who says otherwise needs to check emotions)
Yes he does act like a dick but then ANY competitive scene has a bit of trash talking and agressive attitude particularly to those who THINK they're better but never provide proof. If you treat his contributions with the same respect that anyone else deserves he has no reason to flame you, wether you agree or disagree. Yes you can say he may not have the best strategy but there is no way that he's wrong. (it's a game with different playstyles.)

Also to the dick who said the system is corrupt because glorify plays with mods... Yeah that's logical, or it could be the fact they were friends BEFORE they were mods and that they all represent the same level. what about people who play with devs, think the devs are corrupt too?

/end whiteknighting rant

[Krangry]

Word of advice - Ill-advised people do not try to make guides that are later read my new players in the game. Glorify does.

He is much like the bosses we all have at work - they all take the high ground and scream at everyone, but at the end of the day, everybody knows that they know nothing and are mostly incompetent.

Why are you always trolling around His threads? you and legopirate both, why dont you bring a team of 5 and concede in 15 mins, just like legopirate, so we can show you how he knows nothing and is highly incompetant.

[dreamex]

Why are you always trolling around His threads? you and legopirate both, why dont you bring a team of 5 and concede in 15 mins, just like legopirate, so we can show you how he knows nothing and is highly incompetant.

Look ma' my epeen is so huge!


People let their emotions interfere too much with logic. I'll admit reading things angel has posted and watching his videos has made me an imensely better player, does that mean he's the best? no. but he IS a good player (anyone who says otherwise needs to check emotions)
Yes he does act like a dick but then ANY competitive scene has a bit of trash talking and agressive attitude particularly to those who THINK they're better but never provide proof. If you treat his contributions with the same respect that anyone else deserves he has no reason to flame you, wether you agree or disagree. Yes you can say he may not have the best strategy but there is no way that he's wrong. (it's a game with different playstyles.)

Also to the dick who said the system is corrupt because glorify plays with mods... Yeah that's logical, or it could be the fact they were friends BEFORE they were mods and that they all represent the same level. what about people who play with devs, think the devs are corrupt too?

/end whiteknighting rant

As I said, I think he is a great player but that doesn't make him infallible and people have pointed out many many many things wrong/different and provided solid evidence (even so far as while critiquing his own videos) and his response has generally been "get to my psr" or his posse will be like "we won anyways" or heaven forbid, similar to the above "we'll kick your ass therefore we're right."

Being a good player and contributing to the development of other players (what writing a guide should be about) should include constructive discussion and acceptance of criticism. At the very least, reject objections with reason and evidence instead of throwing out pointless quips based upon pretend-credibility.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if you can't differentiate between the constructive things that he's provided to this forum and his immense dick-waving when it comes to people posing innocent questions then maybe you're the one who has your emotions a little strung out.

[Glorify1]

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/7342/rapierslol.jpg (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/rapierslol.jpg/) http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/rapierslol.jpg/1/w1920.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img121/rapierslol.jpg/1/)

Bloodhunter guide.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

Why are you always trolling around His threads? you and legopirate both, why dont you bring a team of 5 and concede in 15 mins, just like legopirate, so we can show you how he knows nothing and is highly incompetant.

Ok then, this going to be my last post here.

I'm not claiming I'm a better/worse/equal of a player than Angel/Glorify. However, I'm not the one that is doing guides in this section, and certainly not the one that has several premium guides here. Based on the SIX VoDs of him playing, I can safely say he is not that good of a player either, mostly average. Hell, most of the videos are with the idiotic Hatchet a.k.a "my last hit sucks so I need this badly".

Thus, I find his arrogant and egoistic attitude quite amusing and at the same time repulsive. For me, guides should be done by either:

1. People without the unnecessary big e-peens, OR
2. People that have proven competitive experience over time and can afford it. (Loda, Gix, Merlini, Emperor, etc.) See the Dota Premium Guide section to see what I'm talking about.

[Krangry]

Ok then, this going to be my last post here.

I'm not claiming I'm a better/worse/equal of a player than Angel/Glorify. However, I'm not the one that is doing guides in this section, and certainly not the one that has several premium guides here. Based on the SIX VoDs of him playing, I can safely say he is not that good of a player either, mostly average. Hell, most of the videos are with the idiotic Hatchet a.k.a "my last hit sucks so I need this badly".

Thus, I find his arrogant and egoistic attitude quite amusing and at the same time repulsive. For me, guides should be done by either:

1. People without the unnecessary big e-peens, OR
2. People that have proven competitive experience over time and can afford it. (Loda, Gix, Merlini, Emperor, etc.) See the Dota Premium Guide section to see what I'm talking about.

Why not take hatchet? It more than guarantees you good farm for 225 gold. Best money you can spend early game.

[ForumTroll]

@ bh guide

Good guide, lots of pics, 9/10

[KARTlK]

Hatchet is taking in competitive games as well. ARE YOU CLAIMING TO BE BETTER THAN THEM OMG OMG.

[ForumTroll]

Competitive gamers are noobs man.




Hatchets rock, because if you have one and the enemy doesn't... who is going to be getting last hits on the creeps you both try for? You.

Saying someone isn't pro cause they use a hatchet is plain silly.

[Drastone]

As I said, I think he is a great player but that doesn't make him infallible and people have pointed out many many many things wrong/different and provided solid evidence (even so far as while critiquing his own videos) and his response has generally been "get to my psr" or his posse will be like "we won anyways" or heaven forbid, similar to the above "we'll kick your ass therefore we're right."

Being a good player and contributing to the development of other players (what writing a guide should be about) should include constructive discussion and acceptance of criticism. At the very least, reject objections with reason and evidence instead of throwing out pointless quips based upon pretend-credibility.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if you can't differentiate between the constructive things that he's provided to this forum and his immense dick-waving when it comes to people posing innocent questions then maybe you're the one who has your emotions a little strung out.
Do you also argue backdooring is bad because you lost to it? Seriously if you win games how are you a bad player? thats what I don't get.

Developing other players means helping them succeed, this doesn't mean coddling them and saying "why yes, get bracers because you will get owned with TB". So why are you in a position to get owned while playing as thunder bringer and not at his max casting range? (an example placed out there to illustrate, not saying you have said this)

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you'd say I'd admire his dick waving even if I hated the guy and was saying all this (as it stands Im indifferent but recognize that his ability is superior to mine and therefor helpful)

I'd also say that legopirate has helped me improved my gameplay, but on a lesser level to what angel has, and this isn't his thread so I see no reason to be defending his contributions either.

[dreamex]

Do you also argue backdooring is bad because you lost to it? Seriously if you win games how are you a bad player? thats what I don't get.

Where did you get in my entire post that I said he was a bad player? I just said that he's not infallible.

Also, why would backdooring be bad o.O


Developing other players means helping them succeed, this doesn't mean coddling them and saying "why yes, get bracers because you will get owned with TB". So why are you in a position to get owned while playing as thunder bringer and not at his max casting range? (an example placed out there to illustrate, not saying you have said this)

Helping people succeed is not going "get on my psr then we'll talk," it's providing points against people's often-times logical (albeit occassionally misguided) questions and concerns. Glorify rarely backs up his claims with anything other than simply getting his posse together and all of them waving their epeens around. Credibility is important when you say something but when you respond to a well constructed argument with offhand quips you show a lack of depth or interest in actually defending your points.


I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you'd say I'd admire his dick waving even if I hated the guy and was saying all this (as it stands Im indifferent but recognize that his ability is superior to mine and therefor helpful)

His ability is very good, and he is helpful in many ways, I said all of that already, but that doesn't somehow make him a god to the point that his opinion is the only one that matters or is valid. Even when I supported him in his Legionnaire guide and agreed that all things considered, he was right he refused to concede an inkling of the fact that other people had a point IF the game did not progress in the way that it's expected to progress.

Angel's approach to guide writing is quite simple:

1. Take cookie cutter.
2. Cut cookie.
3. Feed cookie to sheep.

The problem really is that his guides work very well in a situation where you expect an outcome and in many ways, your playing ability may directly increase the probability of that outcome, however, that outcome is still never guaranteed and his inability to accept that once in awhile something else is just as viable is the real problem I have with him.

It's not about whether or not you're a godly player pubstomping a bunch of nobodies and your build works 99% of the time, it's about 1% of the time a small minor adjustment could greatly improve one aspect of your game and being too thick-headed to accept any modicrum of change.

[Drastone]

Where did you get in my entire post that I said he was a bad player? I just said that he's not infallible.

Also, why would backdooring be bad o.O

I was refering to the last bit where his response is usually to mounght up the posse and ride off. your argument that his usual response is "prove your better then you can talk" just doesn't seem right to me because if he can win doesn't that mean his strategy is legit. Yes he is failable but the guides are fairly straight forward. Also I was more of refering to the general attitude that "it's bad because I lost to it" thus the backdooring comment (again, not saying you feel this way, I like to give examples :p)



Helping people succeed is not going "get on my psr then we'll talk," it's providing points against people's often-times logical (albeit occassionally misguided) questions and concerns. Glorify rarely backs up his claims with anything other than simply getting his posse together and all of them waving their epeens around. Credibility is important when you say something but when you respond to a well constructed argument with offhand quips you show a lack of depth or interest in actually defending your points.
I feel credibility isn't as important as ability particularly when it comes to video games. Again his approach may be flawed but his logic isn't.




His ability is very good, and he is helpful in many ways, I said all of that already, but that doesn't somehow make him a god to the point that his opinion is the only one that matters or is valid. Even when I supported him in his Legionnaire guide and agreed that all things considered, he was right he refused to concede an inkling of the fact that other people had a point IF the game did not progress in the way that it's expected to progress.

The problem really is that his guides work very well in a situation where you expect an outcome and in many ways, your playing ability may directly increase the probability of that outcome, however, that outcome is still never guaranteed and his inability to accept that once in awhile something else is just as viable is the real problem I have with him.

I don't see a problem with this as in a game of fully equal skill (be it lower skill or higher) if the game progresses to the same point at different times it still gets to the same point. (IE getting a port key for a begginer player at 20 minutes rather than 11, if it's still the same phase of the game at that 20 as it normally would be at that 11 it's still the same phase)

If you have a view other than the cookie cutter post it in your own guide? I mean if he comes and flames you, you can always wave your e-penis around and say it's your guide and he can **** off?


It's not about whether or not you're a godly player pubstomping a bunch of nobodies and your build works 99% of the time, it's about 1% of the time a small minor adjustment could greatly improve one aspect of your game and being too thick-headed to accept any modicrum of change.
again, if you're winning 99% of the time and all of the important times fall in this category I don't see the need for change. The guides aren't ment to hold your hand, they're ment to show a projected path for a typical game. Yes there may be better builds for better situations, but why plan for them in a guide that is most likely gonna be read by people who have no clue what they're doing with a character (again, accounting for all skill levels not just high/low)

[Glorify1]

I have never used the term posse, nor have I ever asked anyone I play with to post in here.


Angel's approach to guide writing is quite simple:

1. Take cookie cutter.
2. Cut cookie.
3. Feed cookie to sheep.

Yeah, sadist isn't cookie cutter? Vanguard on axe isn't cookie cutter? You sound like those nerds from d2 crying about hdins because they're cookie cutter.


The problem really is that his guides work very well in a situation where you expect an outcome and in many ways, your playing ability may directly increase the probability of that outcome, however, that outcome is still never guaranteed and his inability to accept that once in awhile something else is just as viable is the real problem I have with him.

Vanguard will never be as viable as what I suggest, plain and simple. You'd have to edit it to reduce after armor reductions, and then maybe it'd be as effective.


It's not about whether or not you're a godly player pubstomping a bunch of nobodies and your build works 99% of the time, it's about 1% of the time a small minor adjustment could greatly improve one aspect of your game and being too thick-headed to accept any modicrum of change.

Pro tip, vanguard is for pubstomping.


Helping people succeed is not going "get on my psr then we'll talk,"

I believe I've only said this to a single person, who would be blarfles. He couldn't stay above 1500, and even though I stated my case with valid points(you can't number crunch blink vs lothars) he refused to stfu and gtfo.

Oh, that's right, I also stated why vanguard is bad AND why sadist is inferior to my proposed skill build.

If my guides and character repulse you so much just stay the **** out of my threads and be done with it. You've posted probably 100-200 posts through-out the entirety of my guides with a majority of them trying to display yourself as a mature individual yet all you do is ***** and moan like a 12 year old.

There is a reason I labeled all of my guide GLORIFY'S, because they're my guides. There are alternatives, if you don't like it don't read it. Did I ask if you liked it? All of the drama aside, while reading any of the guides, did you learn something? If so, here's a good plan. Shut your mouth, enjoy the little tips I give you, and if you disagree with an item build or skill build go ahead and build your vanguards and lothars but stfu I honestly don't care what you think.

[Extreme_Cake]

TBH, I'd also say that "Get on my PSR and we'll talk" is a perfectly valid line of reasoning. If I had the knowledge and experience necessary to successfully argue with Glorify, he wouldn't be rated 600 points above me.

[jay`t]

I feel credibility isn't as important as ability particularly when it comes to video games. Again his approach may be flawed but his logic isn't.



I believe the "ability trumps all" mantra to hold true in any skill based environment.

Soft skills don't hurt when trying to teach, but nothing can subsitute for
learning from the best.

edit: ps i build vanguard on pollywog priest and lothars too for sick ward ganks

[dreamex]

I was refering to the last bit where his response is usually to mounght up the posse and ride off. your argument that his usual response is "prove your better then you can talk" just doesn't seem right to me because if he can win doesn't that mean his strategy is legit. Yes he is failable but the guides are fairly straight forward. Also I was more of refering to the general attitude that "it's bad because I lost to it" thus the backdooring comment (again, not saying you feel this way, I like to give examples :p)

It is legit, I agree it's legit. It doesn't mean you have to be so stubborn as to completely ignore logical arguments presented.


I feel credibility isn't as important as ability particularly when it comes to video games. Again his approach may be flawed but his logic isn't.

I have no idea what you're saying because you're basing his credibility on his ability to play the game. I'm trying to say that credibility can only go so far, when met with well presented counterpoints the right response is to provide your own supporting evidence, not lean back on the whole "I'm better than you" arguments.


I don't see a problem with this as in a game of fully equal skill (be it lower skill or higher) if the game progresses to the same point at different times it still gets to the same point. (IE getting a port key for a begginer player at 20 minutes rather than 11, if it's still the same phase of the game at that 20 as it normally would be at that 11 it's still the same phase)

It's not about phases, but rather scenarios that may or may not materialise. Highlighted by his very own video of Soul Reaper, where he opts against Sadist against a very very very terrible Valkyrie who spends practically the entire game in his Aura range, were he laned with someone competent that extra aura damage would've been negligible compared to him standing around at zero mana early game.

This isn't to say that aura over sadist is bad or can't work or anything, only that in some circumstances, some lane matchups etc one level of sadist early may or may not benefit you more than the earlier second level of Aura.


If you have a view other than the cookie cutter post it in your own guide? I mean if he comes and flames you, you can always wave your e-penis around and say it's your guide and he can **** off?

I don't mean cookie cutter as in "standard" build cookie cutter, I mean cookie cutter as in his builds have zero versatility and his guides have zero consideration for intangibles or alternatives that may or may not be more effective in certain circumstances. He's a very "one size fits all" approach and it's not even to the point that he doesn't want to go through the trouble of giving consideration to variety, it's that he vehemently denies any other options as feasible without much explanation.


again, if you're winning 99% of the time and all of the important times fall in this category I don't see the need for change. The guides aren't ment to hold your hand, they're ment to show a projected path for a typical game. Yes there may be better builds for better situations, but why plan for them in a guide that is most likely gonna be read by people who have no clue what they're doing with a character (again, accounting for all skill levels not just high/low)

It isn't about lack of content. It's about complete disregard for that content that's missing. I wouldn't care if he posted any of his guides with the content he had as a basis of something that's very good. It's the fact that he refuses to consider the secondary situations and rarely backs up claims that turns his guides into a trollfest.


I have never used the term posse, nor have I ever asked anyone I play with to post in here.

It's okay, I'm sure they just like looking out for you of their own free will. That doesn't change the fact that an incomplete guide can be put into the Premium section just because you wrote it xmfd.


Yeah, sadist isn't cookie cutter? Vanguard on axe isn't cookie cutter? You sound like those nerds from d2 crying about hdins because they're cookie cutter.

Cookie Cutter as I detailed above, as in, you have one build for everything without giving the consideration for circumstances that may make your build or sequence sub par.


Vanguard will never be as viable as what I suggest, plain and simple. You'd have to edit it to reduce after armor reductions, and then maybe it'd be as effective.

Pro tip, vanguard is for pubstomping.

Basically the only argument you provided against vanguard for 2-3 pages of posts. "It's no good 'cause I'm better."

Even though I agree with you that if you play at the best possible ability with Legionnaire you would be best served to not adopt vanguard there are circumstances where you would've been better served to adopt an early Beastheart, at which point you have the option of completing vanguard and dissassembling it after.

Your counterargument is of course, "because I'm so godly I'll never be in that position."



I believe I've only said this to a single person, who would be blarfles. He couldn't stay above 1500, and even though I stated my case with valid points(you can't number crunch blink vs lothars) he refused to stfu and gtfo.

Oh, that's right, I also stated why vanguard is bad AND why sadist is inferior to my proposed skill build.

Stated MUCH MUCH MUCH later, and your Sadist argument is still weak and unfounded. an extra 0.2% damage vs 1 level of Sadist early is marginal difference and entirely dependent on your matchup to maximize the effectiveness of heartstopper or your need for mana.


If my guides and character repulse you so much just stay the **** out of my threads and be done with it. You've posted probably 100-200 posts through-out the entirety of my guides with a majority of them trying to display yourself as a mature individual yet all you do is ***** and moan like a 12 year old.

Don't flatter yourself. All I've done in your guides is try to mediate the opinions in the hopes that you'd actually pull your head out of your ass long enough to respond intelligently.


There is a reason I labeled all of my guide GLORIFY'S, because they're my guides. There are alternatives, if you don't like it don't read it. Did I ask if you liked it? All of the drama aside, while reading any of the guides, did you learn something? If so, here's a good plan. Shut your mouth, enjoy the little tips I give you, and if you disagree with an item build or skill build go ahead and build your vanguards and lothars but stfu I honestly don't care what you think.

If only this were true. Because if that were the case you wouldn't feel the need to stir up **** in your guides with condescending remarks and feel the need to vehemently denounce every possible alternative as inferior. If you didn't care what people thought you wouldn't be so defensive about well presented logical arguments.

I'd mark this post as trolling and flaming, but we know your buddies would never look at it right?

[`Behold]

Drafting and team synergy definitely. Although this is probably the guide you didn't really want to write.


Edit: This post above mine is a wall of text, I'd be surprised if anyone read it.

[Drastone]

It is legit, I agree it's legit. It doesn't mean you have to be so stubborn as to completely ignore logical arguments presented.

It also means you have the choice not to listen to ideas you think aren't worth talking about.




I have no idea what you're saying because you're basing his credibility on his ability to play the game. I'm trying to say that credibility can only go so far, when met with well presented counterpoints the right response is to provide your own supporting evidence, not lean back on the whole "I'm better than you" arguments.

I'm saying that in the gaming world skill is more important than credibiltiy because skill IS credibility. Would you rather learn chess from a grand master or a highschool teacher? Sure both may be good and have valuble insight but the grandmaster no matter how stuck up is gonna teach you how to really play.



It's not about phases, but rather scenarios that may or may not materialise. Highlighted by his very own video of Soul Reaper, where he opts against Sadist against a very very very terrible Valkyrie who spends practically the entire game in his Aura range, were he laned with someone competent that extra aura damage would've been negligible compared to him standing around at zero mana early game.


I don't mean cookie cutter as in "standard" build cookie cutter, I mean cookie cutter as in his builds have zero versatility and his guides have zero consideration for intangibles or alternatives that may or may not be more effective in certain circumstances. He's a very "one size fits all" approach and it's not even to the point that he doesn't want to go through the trouble of giving consideration to variety, it's that he vehemently denies any other options as feasible without much explanation.

It isn't about lack of content. It's about complete disregard for that content that's missing. I wouldn't care if he posted any of his guides with the content he had as a basis of something that's very good. It's the fact that he refuses to consider the secondary situations and rarely backs up claims that turns his guides into a trollfest.

Guides aren't ment to account for every possible situation. they are ment to teach you the character and expect you to use the typical logic base to move on from there. Is barier idol a viable item at times? yes it is. Does this mean it should be included in your nymphora guide? Well the standard probably asks for something different particularly because you wont be playing heavy magic users every game.

[dreamex]

It also means you have the choice not to listen to ideas you think aren't worth talking about.

They're worth talking about, because people come to guides looking for GUIDANCE and asking questions leads to further enlightenment. No need to bash people's abilities when they pose legitimate questions.


I'm saying that in the gaming world skill is more important than credibiltiy because skill IS credibility. Would you rather learn chess from a grand master or a highschool teacher? Sure both may be good and have valuble insight but the grandmaster no matter how stuck up is gonna teach you how to really play.

I bet that if you asked a Grandmaster which defense is better to open with (French or Sicilian) he'll help you break down the differences, tell you which is applicable in which scenarios against which opponents leading to which game plans, and make you a better player.

Instead of going "lol ur bad get like me always go French."


Guides aren't ment to account for every possible situation. they are ment to teach you the character and expect you to use the typical logic base to move on from there. Is barier idol a viable item at times? yes it is. Does this mean it should be included in your nymphora guide? Well the standard probably asks for something different particularly because you wont be playing heavy magic users every game.

I don't think you understand. It's not about including something.

It's about denying it vehemently and bashing people for suggesting it.

Question:
"Is Barrier Idol worth using?"

Answer:
"Sometimes it can be feasible on X hero to provide support for your team in Y situations."

Glorify Answer:
"Never get it, it's bad, you're bad," etc etc

[r00kie]

It's time to post the guide now, no more waste of time ! :P

[ezymode]

so much typing over a video game. Just post the guide xD

(offtopic) Please keep doing the FPVODs. they help me tremendously with my gameplay/ and helped me teach my friends how to start playing the game from casual to actually competitive.

[Extreme_Cake]

They're worth talking about, because people come to guides looking for GUIDANCE and asking questions leads to further enlightenment. No need to bash people's abilities when they pose legitimate questions.



I bet that if you asked a Grandmaster which defense is better to open with (French or Sicilian) he'll help you break down the differences, tell you which is applicable in which scenarios against which opponents leading to which game plans, and make you a better player.

Instead of going "lol ur bad get like me always go French."



I don't think you understand. It's not about including something.

It's about denying it vehemently and bashing people for suggesting it.

Question:
"Is Barrier Idol worth using?"

Answer:
"Sometimes it can be feasible on X hero to provide support for your team in Y situations."

Glorify Answer:
"Never get it, it's bad, you're bad," etc etc
I don't think you've met the average chess master (although you've clearly met Glorify, bless his little cotton socks).

[dreamex]

I don't think you've met the average chess master (although you've clearly met Glorify, bless his little cotton socks).

omnomnom is all I hear over here.

[ForumTroll]

Can you write a guide on how to make people cry and moan like 7 year olds?

I think you're the best at making people complain over nothing.

[`Behold]

dreamex, stop typing. Just shut up, you're annoying. As glorify said, they are his guides, they are his threads. If you don't like something you see, then don't respond. It's very simple. Nobody values your opinion in the least and nobody needs or wants you to "defend" them; stop giving yourself a false sense of purpose.

[Extreme_Cake]

omnomnom is all I hear over here.
I'm not sure that made any sense. Please try again.

[Testknight]

I think it's because your name is extreme cake.

[tropicaza]

It is legit, I agree it's legit. It doesn't mean you have to be so stubborn as to completely ignore logical arguments presented.



I have no idea what you're saying because you're basing his credibility on his ability to play the game. I'm trying to say that credibility can only go so far, when met with well presented counterpoints the right response is to provide your own supporting evidence, not lean back on the whole "I'm better than you" arguments.



It's not about phases, but rather scenarios that may or may not materialise. Highlighted by his very own video of Soul Reaper, where he opts against Sadist against a very very very terrible Valkyrie who spends practically the entire game in his Aura range, were he laned with someone competent that extra aura damage would've been negligible compared to him standing around at zero mana early game.

This isn't to say that aura over sadist is bad or can't work or anything, only that in some circumstances, some lane matchups etc one level of sadist early may or may not benefit you more than the earlier second level of Aura.



I don't mean cookie cutter as in "standard" build cookie cutter, I mean cookie cutter as in his builds have zero versatility and his guides have zero consideration for intangibles or alternatives that may or may not be more effective in certain circumstances. He's a very "one size fits all" approach and it's not even to the point that he doesn't want to go through the trouble of giving consideration to variety, it's that he vehemently denies any other options as feasible without much explanation.



It isn't about lack of content. It's about complete disregard for that content that's missing. I wouldn't care if he posted any of his guides with the content he had as a basis of something that's very good. It's the fact that he refuses to consider the secondary situations and rarely backs up claims that turns his guides into a trollfest.



It's okay, I'm sure they just like looking out for you of their own free will. That doesn't change the fact that an incomplete guide can be put into the Premium section just because you wrote it xmfd.



Cookie Cutter as I detailed above, as in, you have one build for everything without giving the consideration for circumstances that may make your build or sequence sub par.



Basically the only argument you provided against vanguard for 2-3 pages of posts. "It's no good 'cause I'm better."

Even though I agree with you that if you play at the best possible ability with Legionnaire you would be best served to not adopt vanguard there are circumstances where you would've been better served to adopt an early Beastheart, at which point you have the option of completing vanguard and dissassembling it after.

Your counterargument is of course, "because I'm so godly I'll never be in that position."




Stated MUCH MUCH MUCH later, and your Sadist argument is still weak and unfounded. an extra 0.2% damage vs 1 level of Sadist early is marginal difference and entirely dependent on your matchup to maximize the effectiveness of heartstopper or your need for mana.



Don't flatter yourself. All I've done in your guides is try to mediate the opinions in the hopes that you'd actually pull your head out of your ass long enough to respond intelligently.



If only this were true. Because if that were the case you wouldn't feel the need to stir up **** in your guides with condescending remarks and feel the need to vehemently denounce every possible alternative as inferior. If you didn't care what people thought you wouldn't be so defensive about well presented logical arguments.

I'd mark this post as trolling and flaming, but we know your buddies would never look at it right?

dreamex, if I could give you an award for most intelligent post in any of Glorify's guides (including the OP), then I would. Well spoken, well put, and so forth. An enormous +1.

[`Behold]

dreamex, if I could give you an award for most intelligent post in any of Glorify's guides (including the OP), then I would. Well spoken, well put, and so forth. An enormous +1.

This is sarcasm right? ........right?

[tropicaza]

Nope, not at all. I'm not interested in arguing over it, this thread is borderline getting closed anyhow because it has strayed so far off topic.

[Glorify1]

I bet that if you asked a Grandmaster which defense is better to open with (French or Sicilian)French lose every war, clearly Sicilian is stronger.

Dreamex, listing every possible scenario and counter is something you can't learn from a guide, I can't teach it through text MAYBE through playing alongside someone. However, if you've watched any of my FPVoDs, you'd notice that my builds are extremely variable. As such, dblade on madman to counter sven's dps, something I'd never suggest in a guide but low and behold I did.


Can you write a guide on how to make people cry and moan like 7 year olds?

I think you're the best at making people complain over nothing. As I said, Glorify; master of emotions.


dreamex, if I could give you an award for most intelligent post in any of Glorify's guides (including the OP), then I would. Well spoken, well put, and so forth. An enormous +1.

By the way, his pseudo-intelligent posts are merely well structured to give the impression of intelligence, he's nothing more than a blarfles who knows how to use the English language in a way to dissuade you from calling him an idiot.

[Testknight]

Come to think of it, I'm going to miss these guides not only for their content but for all the huge discussions and snappy comments that come out of them. :(

[dreamex]

French lose every war, clearly Sicilian is stronger.

Dreamex, listing every possible scenario and counter is something you can't learn from a guide, I can't teach it through text MAYBE through playing alongside someone. However, if you've watched any of my FPVoDs, you'd notice that my builds are extremely variable. As such, dblade on madman to counter sven's dps, something I'd never suggest in a guide but low and behold I did.

There's no doubt that you're a good player but the way you represent yourself in your guides is completely one dimensional. I understand you can't go through every possible scenario in a guide but when someone presents you a question that they've thought out and tried to support with logical evidence it'd be a lot more constructive if you pointed out their flaws or inconsistencies rather than telling them off.


By the way, his pseudo-intelligent posts are merely well structured to give the impression of intelligence, he's nothing more than a blarfles who knows how to use the English language in a way to dissuade you from calling him an idiot.

You can pretend to know me if you like. It's hard for some people to dumb down their language just because they're on a forum.

[Dukamok]

I waste far too much time arguing with retards, rather than finishing the guides.
Or you could just ignore them. Guides don't have to be the definitive, all-encompassing, 500 page walkthrough on every hero. I know whenever I read a guide it's just looking for good ideas or something that might have slipped my mind, they are a great starting point on what your role should be and what to build/prioritize first. Of course every game is variable. Just know that for every 1 chump that wants to totally pick apart every letter and punctuation mark in your guide, you're helping 100 more people get off on the right foot with someone they're unfamiliar with.

It'd be a shame to see someone sitting boldly behind their e-words trying to make a mess of you win over the people that actually get a lot of help out of your guides, and others like them.

Edit: I voted for a hero, but I wouldn't mind seeing a guide on picks/bans and the like, especially with CM right around the corner. Hopefully this won't actually be your last guide though. We're severely lacking good guides on Pred and Madman

[Vodka]

Bans, drafting and team strategy please!

Also, more FPVoDs...

[Dio]

I hope you'll still continue on doing FPVoDs! They probably help more then the guides and they come with less flaming.

[sam_jackson]

I do agree with dreamex. Best guides I have seen include situational analysis, and options for different play styles. There is no one path to Winning. Everything is able to be countered. The mature thing I would like to see Glorify do is admit his way isn't the only way. As soon as you can admit that, then you truly have game.

I think that's what we are trying to point out to you, Glorify. It's your tunnel vision that gives everyone the opinion that you are elitist.

[Utred]

French lose every war, clearly Sicilian is stronger.

Dreamex, listing every possible scenario and counter is something you can't learn from a guide, I can't teach it through text MAYBE through playing alongside someone. However, if you've watched any of my FPVoDs, you'd notice that my builds are extremely variable. As such, dblade on madman to counter sven's dps, something I'd never suggest in a guide but low and behold I did.

You showeds that builds are very versatile in the madman vod, yet you keep insisting that it is never even a remotely good idea to get a level of sadist early game.
On other stuff(like vanguard) I understand why you get so pissed off though. You're obviously a really good player and you know what you're talking about, but you're not the only good player on this board and I don't see why you can't accept their opinion as an alternative.
I don't really care though, your guides are easily the best ones here and have helped me a lot, and I hope you'll change your mind about stopping.

[xahxah]

French lose every war, clearly Sicilian is stronger.

Dreamex, listing every possible scenario and counter is something you can't learn from a guide, I can't teach it through text MAYBE through playing alongside someone. However, if you've watched any of my FPVoDs, you'd notice that my builds are extremely variable. As such, dblade on madman to counter sven's dps, something I'd never suggest in a guide but low and behold I did.
As I said, Glorify; master of emotions.


By the way, his pseudo-intelligent posts are merely well structured to give the impression of intelligence, he's nothing more than a blarfles who knows how to use the English language in a way to dissuade you from calling him an idiot.



Nothing more than a Blarfles? Yes, that's funny. Good one considering you're the one trash talking people over the internet how you are the superior player and that your strategies / guides are infallible.




On multiple occassions, you have absolutely refused to make any logical counter arguments to the legitimate criticisms made about your guides. A good example is the Sadist issue in which you have not told us why FeaR is a bad player. Your reasoning is simply because "I'm mfin Glorify rofl copter"





I seriously think in all my years of competitive DotA I have never met someone with as big as an ego as you. At least N3gi is funny on the Dota Forums (as well as Faach was when he posted there a few times about Juggernaut).

[magickkat]

glorify is ultimate internet tough guy (Y)

[Llama]

Arrr, I was going to do a kraken guide, but Ill see how this one turns out...

[Neurofo]

Valk please?

[ElementUser]

Dreamex, listing every possible scenario and counter is something you can't learn from a guide, I can't teach it through text MAYBE through playing alongside someone. However, if you've watched any of my FPVoDs, you'd notice that my builds are extremely variable. As such, dblade on madman to counter sven's dps, something I'd never suggest in a guide but low and behold I did.

If this is the case, how come you're not expressing the same thing in your responses to user's questions towards your guide? It's pretty contradictory

[sam_jackson]

If this is the case, how come you're not expressing the same thing in your responses to user's questions towards your guide? It's pretty contradictory

+1 Totally Valid

[Gabagoo]

Even if glorify is a lil nerd raging elitist dota player, we need MORE people making guides not less.

[Heliotic]

The biggest problem with most guides is that people seriously miss the mark with the target audience. If I'm a new player, I want a straight forward build and itemisation with no variation that will work in almost every scenario, a basic overview of what to do, and that's it - becuase I don't have the capacity to deal with the atlenatives.

But the flip side is that if that's the target audience, the choice's need to be tailored. Given those parameters, Assassin's shroud might be better than blink dagger on soulsteaer.

Instead people argue about competitive strats etc. Comp players don't read/need guides. That community needs replays and discussions.

New players just need something that reliabily works for pubbing.

So the example of 'detailed discussion of when to use barrier idol' is totally inapplicable, but as is the 'this is a competitive guide lol, items that are good for pubs can be binned'. Niether even remotely applies to the people you are pitching to.

[manicpyro]

I'd just like to see the guide we voted for to be honest.

If you don't agree with him. Just keep it to yourself. He's not going to give in so your just wasting time. Anyone who cares can see this. And in my opinion anyone that really cares will be watching the FPVoDs because you can learn a lot more from them than any guide.

[Larcenous]

Glorify is a wanker but he's good at the game and his guides are spot on.

Sans a few disagreements (Glorify believing he isn't a wanker and dreamex thinking his guides aren't amazing) we all know this to be the case, so why run around in circles posting inane BS regarding it? Zzz.

Just calm down and go outside for a few hours and do something.

[Glorify1]

I prefer being called master of emotions over wanker. Wanker is such a euro insult it's too dirty for me. Man up and call me a ****er.

[Bane2k4]

You ****er.


Jokes, keep makin the guides man, it's a big help to newbies. Would post some more stuff in response to the flamers but I'm on my phone and cba.

[xahxah]

I'd just like to see the guide we voted for to be honest.

If you don't agree with him. Just keep it to yourself. He's not going to give in so your just wasting time. Anyone who cares can see this. And in my opinion anyone that really cares will be watching the FPVoDs because you can learn a lot more from them than any guide.



The point is that as an author of multiple premium guides you are held to a higher standard. Glorify deserves all the criticism here because :


A. Called top professional (people who get paid to play a video game, meaning they are 100x better than anyone on this forum) DotA players idiots, baddies, people who use crutches. This is referring to his Sadist / Inhumane Nature remarks in the Soul Reaper guide.


B. Was one of the primary reasons why the Sandbox forum was made, as pretty much every one who has ever gotten their guide premiumed (and pretty much everyone there deserves it) got pissed on when Glorify's incomplete Soul Reaper guide was made premium based on his background rather than what his work, which was at the time INCOMPLETE.


C. As an author of multiple premium guides, he should be slightly more open to suggestions / criticisms rather than telling everyone to STFU just because he's better than the majority of players here. Any legitimate criticisms made about his guides, builds, comments, etc. are met with "I am Glorify, master of emotions a.k.a. I'm a elitist nerdraging player".


D. Acts like an elitist and believes that he and his team are the best team in HoN, when I bet you they couldn't hold a candle to alot of DotA teams that don't even play professionally. Because of this, his attitude comes off as snobbish, elitist, and he pretty much believes he can do whatever the flying **** he wants just because he can.





I don't think Glorify is a bad player, I think he's really good and probably is better than 99.9% of this board. However, I (along with all other posters here) deserve a basic level of respect when we make legitimate and constructive criticism without any aggressive behavior. The only reason why Glorify is on the receiving end of the shitstick (which he could probably care less about, but that's beside the point) is because of how he has responded to these legitimate criticisms in the past.

[zxpr0jk]

Being a douche does nothing to affect the quality of a guide. Glorify, apparently a douche from the posts in here, also seems be have a somewhat respected opinion, also derived from this thread.

So you can be good and be a douche. If the guides are good, who cares? It's not like you actually have to interact with him.

[Luxpus]

at least he helps people with his guides..

what have you guys done to help the community at all?

[gatinholsta]

The point is that as an author of multiple premium guides you are held to a higher standard.

Says who?


A. Called top professional (people who get paid to play a video game, meaning they are 100x better than anyone on this forum) DotA players idiots, baddies, people who use crutches. This is referring to his Sadist / Inhumane Nature remarks in the Soul Reaper guide.Sponsored players are always the ones with the most time, and are very rarely the best players of their respective games.



B. Was one of the primary reasons why the Sandbox forum was made, as pretty much every one who has ever gotten their guide premiumed (and pretty much everyone there deserves it) got pissed on when Glorify's incomplete Soul Reaper guide was made premium based on his background rather than what his work, which was at the time INCOMPLETE.Yet it was still higher quality than the majority of guides on this forum


C. As an author of multiple premium guides, he should be slightly more open to suggestions / criticisms rather than telling everyone to STFU just because he's better than the majority of players here. Any legitimate criticisms made about his guides, builds, comments, etc. are met with "I am Glorify, master of emotions a.k.a. I'm a elitist nerdraging player".There have hardly been any legitimate, well phrased questions about his guides. It's been all pub players whining about how their pub stomping item build is better/can be used in competitive games (it can't).



D. Acts like an elitist and believes that he and his team are the best team in HoN, when I bet you they couldn't hold a candle to alot of DotA teams that don't even play professionally. Because of this, his attitude comes off as snobbish, elitist, and he pretty much believes he can do whatever the flying **** he wants just because he can.When someone beats his team, then they can talk all the crap they want to him.



I don't think Glorify is a bad player, I think he's really good and probably is better than 99.9% of this board. However, I (along with all other posters here) deserve a basic level of respect when we make legitimate and constructive criticism without any aggressive behavior. The only reason why Glorify is on the receiving end of the shitstick (which he could probably care less about, but that's beside the point) is because of how he has responded to these legitimate criticisms in the past.The majority of the criticism is not legitimate. It's just bad players with bad opinions. No one is saying you cannot ask questions, but people come in here with their .5 kdr's and 1300 psr and stand fast that their way is better.

[Lethe]

at least he helps people with his guides..

what have you guys done to help the community at all?

I am the best of both worlds.

[xahxah]

Says who?

Sponsored players are always the ones with the most time, and are very rarely the best players of their respective games.


Yet it was still higher quality than the majority of guides on this forum

There have hardly been any legitimate, well phrased questions about his guides. It's been all pub players whining about how their pub stomping item build is better/can be used in competitive games (it can't).


When someone beats his team, then they can talk all the crap they want to him.


The majority of the criticism is not legitimate. It's just bad players with bad opinions. No one is saying you cannot ask questions, but people come in here with their .5 kdr's and 1300 psr and stand fast that their way is better.



Sponsored players are the players only with the most time? Good luck trying to convince the FPS community Fatal1ty isn't the best FPS shooter of all time. Or Boxer and Nada aren't two of the greatest Starcraft players in the history of that game. Or that FeaR, Merlini, and Vigoss are some of the best DotA players to grace the game. You sir, have already displayed an enormous amount of ignorance with this statement.



First of all, his Soul Reaper guide wasn't even quality let alone complete. It did not deserve premium status. All it showed was a "different and alternative" build with him owning some really bad Valkyrie.




There have hardly been any legitimate criticisms of Glorify's guides? Really? How about why FeaR and other top players in DotA go Sadist, and why Glorify insists that it is a bad skill, a crutch, and that all players who go it are bad?




TinyBlkTears, LegoPirate, me, etc. are all bad players? Yeah, that's a good one. I'm not the best player here (not even close), however I'm certainly nowhere near the worst though.

[gatinholsta]

Sponsored players are the players only with the most time? Good luck trying to convince the FPS community Fatal1ty isn't the best FPS shooter of all time. Or Boxer and Nada aren't two of the greatest Starcraft players in the history of that game. Or that FeaR, Merlini, and Vigoss are some of the best DotA players to grace the game. You sir, have already displayed an enormous amount of ignorance with this statement.

They are the best of all the other sponsored players. How many people who play video games with real responsibilities like a job or a family can commute around the country to play? You cannot just make a claim they are better than anyone else who plays those games, just that they are better than other sponsored players.



First of all, his Soul Reaper guide wasn't even quality let alone complete. It did not deserve premium status. All it showed was a "different and alternative" build with him owning some really bad Valkyrie.

But have you seen the rest of the guides on this forum?


There have hardly been any legitimate criticisms of Glorify's guides? Really? How about why FeaR and other top players in DotA go Sadist, and why Glorify insists that it is a bad skill, a crutch, and that all players who go it are bad?

Are they here asking him why he chooses to build it a certain way, or are bad players championing the cause using their names?



TinyBlkTears, LegoPirate, me, etc. are all bad players? Yeah, that's a good one. I'm not the best player here (not even close), however I'm certainly nowhere near the worst though.

From the way you guys post I would guess that you are.

[xahxah]

They are the best of all the other sponsored players. How many people who play video games with real responsibilities like a job or a family can commute around the country to play? You cannot just make a claim they are better than anyone else who plays those games, just that they are better than other sponsored players.




But have you seen the rest of the guides on this forum?



Are they here asking him why he chooses to build it a certain way, or are bad players championing the cause using their names?




From the way you guys post I would guess that you are.




1. Fatal1ty is the best FPS player of all time. He has proven that he can be successful at any game, and has on multiple occasions proven himself against many amateur players in challenges.


Nada and Boxer are easily way above any top level competition. They are not the best of just sponsored players, they are the best period. There is a reason why both had 700k US Dollar contracts in recent years, and why they continue to hold records in Starcraft that have and probably won't be broken for a very long time.


FeaR, Merlini, etc. could rape anyone upside down on this forum in DotA, HoN, etc.



All of these people are paid to play their respective games because :

A. They are the best, and have proven that they are the best. No amateur player on the planet can beat Fatal1ty 1 on 1 in Quake 3. I don't care who you are. I guarantee he can beat anyone in any FPS deathmatch game pretty much with his eyes closed.


B. They have the time because they have the determination to do so.


C. They have proven that they are marketable. However, to be marketable in the world of nerdragers, you have to be l337 and have skill. You don't just become a professional gamer based on sheer brute force practice. Otherwise 10000s of WoW addicts would be pro gamers. But they aren't now are they?


D. Your argument is stupid because it's a theoretical one at best with no evidence to support it. Is there some secret DotA grandmaster hiding out there? Or some FPS monster even better than Fatal1ty? Who knows. However, there's more evidence to support that Fatal1ty, Nada, Boxer, Merlini, FeaR, etc. are the best at what they do, because they have results.



Unless you want to start arguing that in sports it's not about who's more talented, who's better, etc., but who has more time.








2. No, the first argument was this. Some peopled asked why Glorify goes aura with Soul Reaper instead of Inhumane Nature. Rather than explaining himself, he just says "it's a bad skill, it's a crutch, people he uses it are baddies." That's when people started stating that FeaR and other top professional players go Sadist/Inhumane Nature.


And yes I've seen his other guides, and some are pretty much cookie cutter run of the mill stuff that any average ordinary DotA player would know.








3. I can guarantee that if you played me in a game of HoN you'd lose really badly. I can garuntee if you played TinyBlkTears in a game you'd probably lose to the point you'd be so embarrassed you'd probably never play the game again.

[gatinholsta]

D. Your argument is stupid because it's a theoretical one at best with no evidence to support it. Is there some secret DotA grandmaster hiding out there? Or some FPS monster even better than Fatal1ty? Who knows. However, there's more evidence to support that Fatal1ty, Nada, Boxer, Merlini, FeaR, etc. are the best at what they do, because they have results.


I hope the irony of this statement is not lost on everyone.

[Lethe]

They are the best of all the other sponsored players. How many people who play video games with real responsibilities like a job or a family can commute around the country to play? You cannot just make a claim they are better than anyone else who plays those games, just that they are better than other sponsored players.




But have you seen the rest of the guides on this forum?

playyyyyyy me

sry drunk

[ForumTroll]

I dunno why people complained about the incomplete guide going premium, even incomplete it was the most thorough and informative Soul Reaper guide and was pretty close to completion anyway.

[gatinholsta]

playyyyyyy me

sry drunk

I don't recall mentioning anything about my personal skill in hon/dota, nice strawman though.

[Testknight]

Shut up, TinyBlk is too good to employ strawmen.

And anyways...why is this thread still up? It's just a troll/flame fest. Glorify already started, worked on, answers questions on, got annoyed on, and then canceled the guide he was voted to write. I don't see why the maternal thread is needed anymore.

[Zzyzx]

posting ITT to say that Glorify, dremex, and Trainingsday (tnyblktrs (why the emo name Bill Clinton?)) are all great guys thanks

[Testknight]

posting ITT to say that Glorify, dremex, and Trainingsday (tnyblktrs (why the emo name Bill Clinton?)) are all great guys thanks

You forgot Testknight.

[Decency]

Thanks for the guide. Some of us appreciated it.

[Lethe]

posting ITT to say that Glorify, dremex, and Trainingsday (tnyblktrs (why the emo name Bill Clinton?)) are all great guys thanks

I swear to god im not emo tinyblktears is actually a sweet reference from ut3.

OPmg stil drunk lol