Last-hit or Deny?

[bartmasta]

Say you're laning 1v1 or possibly 2v2 and you can either last hit or deny. Which one do you do assuming

a: Your enemy will last hit if you don't deny

b: Your enemy won't last hit if you don't deny

[Kitad1]

depends who you are facing and who you are laning with

if you are facing a carry, then deny, even more so if your laning partner is a carry


if you are a carry, then last hit

[noodle0117]

if you are facing against ranged heroes units, a deny can cost them a lot of exp

[Travakh]

If you are melee and a creep is denied it's worth 50% of its xp, range = 25%

If you are ranged against another range it's split either way, same for melee vs melee. A melee should deny vs an opposing range, a range should last hit against an opposing melee.

And if your opponent is a carry you should also focus more on denies

[_PINK]

If you are melee and a creep is denied it's worth 50% of its xp, range = 25%

Er, can you clarify?

[Birdulon]

Er, can you clarify?
Melee heroes lose less xp from enemy denies than their ranged counterparts.

[Travakh]

Er, can you clarify?

I don't remember the precise xp worth but here's the example with 64 xp

Enemy creep dies in the lane and you are a melee hero. Normally you would get 100% of the xp if you last hit or not, as long as you're within 1000 range. So if you hit it you get 64xp + some gold, and if you don't last hit it you get the 64 xp anyway

If they deny it, you dont get the gold (obviously) but you still get 32 xp if you're a melee hero. But if you're a range hero, that's reduced further to 16 xp. Good denies mangle range hero xp growth

[_PINK]

I don't remember the precise xp worth but here's the example with 64 xp

Enemy creep dies in the lane and you are a melee hero. Normally you would get 100% of the xp if you last hit or not, as long as you're within 1000 range. So if you hit it you get 64xp + some gold, and if you don't last hit it you get the 64 xp anyway

If they deny it, you dont get the gold (obviously) but you still get 32 xp if you're a melee hero. But if you're a range hero, that's reduced further to 16 xp. Good denies mangle range hero xp growth

I see. So this must be the weak point of popular pubstompers like Arachna, then?

[Glorify1]

You hit a creep prior so that one will be deniable/lasthitable before the other, thus eliminating this situation.

Carries should last hit, supports should deny.

[Lolololage]

That ranged xp thing is a little gem that ive never known, thank you!

[Pb_Represent]

both if two creeps are possible to last hit and deny then last hit.

[Aumoe]

deny's never bad imho

[sneakysob]

Deny.

Always deny over last hit if you can't do both for sure.

[Kietharr]

I see. So this must be the weak point of popular pubstompers like Arachna, then?

No, the weakpoint of popular pubstomp heroes is teamwork and frequent ganks. Arachna has a very good animation and excellent projectile speed so it's unlikely that you'll out -cs a good one unless you're ganking or harassing her hardcore.