good item builds for maliken

[sHoWTiMe]

Anyone knows some good item builds for this hero?

I prefer not to use insanitarius because I find myself losing way too much health everytime I activate this (+ perhaps my elder parasite). So I could use some alternate builds that are perhaps better.

Thanks in advance.

[scribble]

This is probably a bit unorthodox for a Maliken build, but I typically gear him more as a carry.

Basic Items:
Fortified Bracelet
Soulscream Ring
Enhanced Marchers
Abyssal Skull
Wingbow

Luxury Items:
Warpcleft
Hack and Slash
Savage Mace

Fort Bracelet and SS ring you can mix and match (get 1 of each or 2 of either), they are mainly for early game stat boosts. I also get Enhanced Marchers for movement increase and attack speed. IMO Abyssal Skull is key, if only for the lifesteal. It'll pretty much negate the life loss for your blue sword (+dmg) so you can have it up all the time and it scales your damage up pretty well with it. You'll also be a farming machine, switching back and forth between your blue sword (dmg + crit from any loss of health) and your green sword (crazy hp regen). A single blue sword toss can almost wipe out a creep wave alone. It also means you can start tanking towers with your green sword.

I like stacking attack speed items with Maliken, if only cuz it makes the health regen on your green sword that much more effective. But it also is incredibly augmented by your ultimate which also boosts your attack speed greatly. If you manage to farm your Wingbow fast enough, I can guarentee the other team will be reeling after every encounter with you. Your survivability is a bit limited (the evasion from Wingbow helps a bit) if the other team is smart and tries to focus fire you first, but if you're left unchecked in a team fight, you can bet heads will be rolling.

I've been able to stand toe to toe vs other heavily geared carries (Madman, Arachna, etc.) and have usually come out on top. The luxury items I've listed are usually obtained when the game is pretty well in hand. So far I've been pretty successful with that build but I don't mind any critiques if anyone has any. Maliken is definitely a fun hero if you know how to play him right.

[Travakh]

I go for two bracers, power supply, phase boots, whispering helm, then attempt to go straight for the skadi.

Risky because you have no damage but once the skadi is done you can roll the rest of the game quite easily. The early lifesteal is to sustain the +40 damage and to stack ancients.

[ElementUser]

Why Soulscream Rings scribble? Maliken is a strength hero...

[PoopyDesires]

I used to go Bottle - Steamboots - Insanitarius - Heart - Mock of Brilliance

Copying DotA's new pointless **** patch ruined my build obviously.

[neo_forte]

I used to go Bottle - Steamboots - Insanitarius - Heart - Mock of Brilliance

Copying DotA's new pointless **** patch ruined my build obviously.

Just get phase, it's much better anyways =\

[scribble]

Why Soulscream Rings scribble? Maliken is a strength hero...

I guess I'm under the assumption that agility = dmg? I'm probably wrong. Like I said, it's mainly for early game stat boosts and I figure the extra damage helps in last hitting.

[ExcitedPanda]

Because Maliken doesn't have an ability that boosts his damage really high early game to last hit early.

Oops...

[GrymM]

Luxury Items:
Warpcleft
Hack and Slash
Savage Mace

Meh.

Warpcleft; is something you want to avoid unless you really just want to pick something up on your way to finish the game. If you want a pure ASP item, get Alchemists Bones early on and blow up creeps/siege on every CD.

Hack and Slash; in general just isn't a great choice for anyone who has a built in slow, and even then, I think Hack and Slash is almost exclusively for heroes like Scout, Magebane, etc. Assassins who can't keep a target slowed for extended periods. (It's not a very good item for anyone, really)

Savage Mace; YES, buy it.

[PvtPublic]

2x bracers, Phase, Mords, MoM

[lolsroyce]

2x bracers, Phase, Mords, MoM

What are the HoN equivs of Mords and MoM?

[PvtPublic]

Insanitarius and Elder parasite respectively.

[Midnightoil]

ok first atthe fountain start of with the hatchet that does more dmg to creeps, 2 gauntlets and some consumables. Last hit with your second skill and farm some gold. As soon asyou can, buy whispering helm and the boots that give dmg and ias. Farm alot and gank to get axe of malphai andmake it into synboo of rage, this should let you own someone. Get some gold again and mke a insanitarius. Now youre ready to pwn.

[Ehbrus]

2x Runes of Blight
2x Mana Potions
2x Minor Totems
1x Pretender Crown

Early:
2x Bracer
1x Power Supply
1x Phase boots

Mid:
1x Shield Breaker
1x Elder Parasite
1x Beast Heart

Late:
Behemoth's Heart

All Game:
HOMECOMING STONES!

Shieldbreaker turns you into something scary, Throw + Blink + Ulti = Genocide

[PoopyDesires]

I guess I'm under the assumption that agility = dmg? I'm probably wrong. Like I said, it's mainly for early game stat boosts and I figure the extra damage helps in last hitting.

Primary Attribute = Damage, not agility.

[evotech]

i got this in my last game

2 bracers
enhanced marchers
demonic breastplate

With the increased attack speed your HP drain can really save your life in a fight, you can tank pretty much everyone if you just hit fast enough

[RYDAnized]

ok so obviously none of you have ever built maliken right :P

first make sure u get a nice lanem8 like dazzle, lich, puppet, jester
tl;dr u want a nice support in lane for hardcorericing :)

fountain:
2 x gauntlet
1 x runes
1 x healing potion
2 x gg branches

--> get a quelling blade in the sideshop asap and rice rice rice

--> phase boots

now it depends how u are doing in lane:
- bad: 2xbracers
- medium: ogre axe (skip both or 1 bracer)
- good: go straight for ultimate orb

--> NOW FINISH THE F*CKIN MANTA

GRATS u now rape face because YES your images also splash damage :D

u now have finished your core build.

---> normally i go for bkb now (that also explains the ogre axe :>)

after the bkb u can go whatever u want.....butterfly, desolator, skadi.....whatever the situation asks for.

justification:

phase boots:
maliken likes ias
maliken likes chasing

manta gives you:
- insane damage (images splash too)
- pushing power
- surviveability

bkb:
- good damage boost
- cant die no more :> (if u manage to die with bkb, blink, manta and aoe silence u deserve to die)

if you have ever witnessed the sheer horror of a good maliken blinking in -> ulti -> manta -> rape rape rape -> ult silence wears off -> activate bkb -> rape rape rape
u know what i am talking about.

[PieExplosion]

u know what i am talking about.
No. Because it's taking a while to memorize both HoN and DotA terms at the same time. Can we get a translator in here?

But really. What are "gg branches" and "manta"? "ogre axe"? What item matches up with "ultimate orb"?

[RYDAnized]

gg branch - minor totem
gauntlet - +3 str
bracer - +3stats +6str
manta = the item that makes 2 images of u
bkb = shurnken head
phase boots - enhanced marchers

hf

edirt:
ultimate orb = +10 all stats

[RYDAnized]

for all guys who never played dota:

playdota.com

there is a section with all items and heroes and even some good guides + a decent forum. if i was you i would look up some names and stuff bec. the only good hon players are dota vets and they likely dont know the hon names

a random tip: dont take advic or guides from hon players who didnt play dota.
if you are new to the game and seeking help then ask dota vets with 3+ years of experience.
if u are looking for _good_ guides look in established dota forums.

believe me 90% of the strategical advice in this forum is bullshit ./

best regards and sorry for my english:>

[vaccine]

Does no one find this hero just inceredibly fragile? I tried the manta list posted a few up but just got destroyed instantly. The damage I did seemed very low and well...I just die every fight.

Edit: To extend on that a little, the first 10 or so times I played this guy I used the tactic sword thow > Blink > Ult. Which got me dead, A LOT. With the manta build above I just ulti'd whenever it was up for the ranged/aoe attack and illusions. Seemed to work better but still got shreded by every opponent. Last game I tried a more tank orientated build with HotBL, Heart and Shrunken and did a lot better. Maybe I'm just playing the other item builds wrong but end game seems bad, mid onwards seems too fragile.

[Travakh]

He's fragile because of comparatively low str growth. It's why you can't go straight damage items, you need to stack str first, and it's why I prefer getting Skadi as his first item to boost his hp pool. Frostwolf Skull + Symbol of Rage yields 50 str, massive lifesteal, and from there you can build your Savage Mace/Demonic Breastplate or whatever else you want.

[TerranEarth]

Try enhanced marchers, battery, 2x braclets, helm of the black legion, and bkb. I use this build to tank, and spam sword throw mixed in w/ some ulting. Get savage mace/mock of brillance + geometers bane for extra damage.

[ma5]

I've carried many times with maliken, here's what I'm going currently.

Start:
Runes of Blight x1
Health Pot x1
Gauntlet of Str. x1
Logger's Hatchet x1

Next [no real order]:
Bottle
2x Bracers
Boots
Insanitarium
Boots -> Enhanced marchers

After that [ordered]:
Shruken Head
Whispering Helm

Luxury items:
Symbol of Rage
Shieldbraker
Heart


I hate to sound elitist but I looked over the other suggestions in this thread and mine seems the best. Some are good but don't include Shruken Head, which is the most important item in the build. Others include Manta? Splash damage on illusions isn't a lot of damage at all... besides you need HP instead of the stats you get from Manta.

[sneakysob]

http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=21888

[RYDAnized]

u tell me

whisp. helm+insintarius+shrunken head 8610g

is better than

manta+shrunken head 9710g

????????

u cant be serious??

for 1000g more i get:
-way more damage than you
-i dont deal assloads of damage to myself
-sick pushing power
-1 item slot
-every item i get after corebuild increases my damage way more than it would yours

and i have more survivability because
more hp than you
i can dodge and debuff with manta

so your build is still the best? mr cocky?

[Tbakez]

What I have tried, and works really nicely, but I must warn you its a quick burst of death, not for long battles. Runes/hatchet or shiled > boots > 2 x bracers > Phase Boots > Insanitarius > Abyass skull > Heart > Shiled breaker Youll have mass amount of damge with ur 2nd skill + ur Insanitarius. Heart will help keep you alive with both items inversely damaging yourself.

I have used him three times, and twice I have carried the game.

[RYDAnized]

What I have tried, and works really nicely, but I must warn you its a quick burst of death, not for long battles. Runes/hatchet or shiled > boots > 2 x bracers > Phase Boots > Insanitarius > Abyass skull > Heart > Shiled breaker Youll have mass amount of damge with ur 2nd skill + ur Insanitarius. Heart will help keep you alive with both items inversely damaging yourself.

I have used him three times, and twice I have carried the game.

so much fail in this post

[Tbakez]

so much fail in this post

Would you like to explain why, or are you just those type to leave gay ass comments, and don't state ur reason?

And on second note, I have stated I have only used it a few times, just my 2 cents. IMO your logic sucks to give a comment and no basis

[sneakysob]

Would you like to explain why, or are you just those type to leave gay ass comments, and don't state ur reason?

And on second note, I have stated I have only used it a few times, just my 2 cents. IMO your logic sucks to give a comment and no basis

You must be really popular.

Teach me.

[xahxah]

Maliken pretty much needs Shrunken Head. Go Whispering Helm first to stack Ancients and later on build Symbol of Rage. After Whispering Helm, build Shurnken Head. By this time you should be high enough level to kill an Ancient Stack with your ult on. Go there and do this, and proceed to win with your 5k gold.

[ThePope]

Last game I played with him went amazingly. I ended 5-5-20, largely because I had Thunder and Defiler ulting like no tomorrow, but anyway. Game went on for ages. Went this way for items, upon deciding to be the God of Tanking:

Phase Boots
Helm of the Black Legion
Daemonic Cuirass/Chestplate/Whatever it's called
Frostwolf's Skull

The last one was simply a product of farming like no tomorrow whenever a creep wave hit. And since I took the item from Kongor, I ended the game by warping into their entire team, ulting and popping off enchanted flames. I would kill one/two of them, team would kill another, and if I died, I came back to life and got another.

Plus, the speed boost from Daemonic Chestplate, coupled with Enchanted Flames, makes him hew through buildings like no tomorrow late in the game. Weakens their armor, too.


Would you like to explain why, or are you just those type to leave gay ass comments, and don't state ur reason?

And on second note, I have stated I have only used it a few times, just my 2 cents. IMO your logic sucks to give a comment and no basis
I can only assume he said that because the Heart won't do that. At least not anymore. It only gives you regen if you've not taken damage for 10 seconds or some stupid crap like that.

[KingEmblem]

This has gotten complicated with the 1.46 patch. I usually go 2 Bracelets, Enhanced Marchers, Whispering Helm, Hack and Slash. The Hack and Slash is good because you already have damage from your flame sword mode and thus pure DPS is not required right away, and the maim and movespeed will really make it impossible for enemies to escape. More successful kills = better pure DPS items later. The 16 strength and armor boost also helps you survive, which Maliken has problems with.

Then you can branch out and get an Insanitarius if you can survive decently well, or a Shrunken Head if you're getting destroyed by disables. Shrunken first then Insanitarius, in that case. After that, a Savage Mace would do you well. Alternatively, you could go Shrunken Head and Charged Hammer after Whispering Helm and bypass the Hack and Slash. The only problem with this is that you won't be able to kill fleeing enemies nearly as well, but your DPS will be better and you can also farm better.

I'll tell you the BAD items for him, which is probably more relevant, anyhow.

-Runed Axe. You're going to be ranged in most team battles, and then you already have splash.
-Brutalizer. Once again, you're going to be ranged in team battles, drastically decreasing the power of this item.

[ma5]

Just made a guide. Enjoy.

http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=25864