Backdoor...

[Wimpbeef]

Ok first off, what is the general rules in HoN?
Backdoor not allowed I guess?
if so i want to report twi guys from this game. ID:5020815
You will see who im talking about but to make it easier:
cruist and paborito backdoored, totally destroyed the game :(

[Workdawg]

Backdoor is not prevented by the game, therefore its legit.

Unless you're playing a league or tourney that bans it (why would they, I dunno).

[Samich]

i imagine most leagues will ban it and rightfully so.

[Brudish]

i imagine most leagues will ban it and rightfully so.

Why? Its a perfectly legitimate strategy.

[Samich]

its been discused to death so lets not bother

[Brudish]

Good point. /leave thread

[BoDyBoArD]

Dude backdoor is common theme the point is you can backdoor, if the other team doesnt carry a tp to defend their base, then they should be backdoored.
Learn how to play with tp's and u won't ever be backdoored.

[Krangry]

Backdoor is legal. Spend 135$ on Tp scrolls.

[Samich]

i love it when pro backdoor people use the arguement "learn to play" when pretty much all of the top players who would absolutely smash them are against it

In pub play anyway.

[Krangry]

i love it when pro backdoor people use the arguement "learn to play" when pretty much all of the top players who would absolutely smash them are against it
I dont BD personally, but still people just need to learn to adapt and either have post-haste or TP scrolls. End of story

[Goon]

perfectly legal and allowed everywhere

[Yurixy]

owned by bd? rofl

[Fenald]

i love it when pro backdoor people use the arguement "learn to play" when pretty much all of the top players who would absolutely smash them are against it
Why do people just make **** up?
There are some leagues/tournaments that ban backdoor. There are more that don't.

Good job being retarded.

[Lycanthroat_]

its stil only 135 gold for ps....

[TurooX]

Those who loose by a bd deserves it.

[Schuthrax]

I agree with it being an acceptable strategy. If you can't play within the allowable rules of the game, quit.

But I do have a question if you are trying to not BD. Let's say you go in on any lane and you take out the tower and the rax. Now, about the time the second one (usually ranged) goes down, your last allied creep dies. If the other team isn't in the base defending, is it really a BD if I move on to the next rax or tower?

[Crosis]

i love it when pro backdoor people use the arguement "learn to play" when pretty much all of the top players who would absolutely smash them are against it


http://www.honage.net/sig/samich000/pyromancer/2/ ('http://www.honage.net/ladder/#player:samich000')

Guys clearly this dude is a top player by the way he talks!

Seriously people who cry about BDing ruining games cant really comment on pro players, because "Pro" players deal with any strategy.

[Rubenros]

http://www.honage.net/sig/samich000/pyromancer/2/ (http://www.honage.net/ladder/#player:samich000)

Guys clearly this dude is a top player by the way he talks!

Seriously people who cry about BDing ruining games cant really comment on pro players, because "Pro" players deal with any strategy.


Yes, because PsR says so much about ones skill. To be honest, the fact that you use his rating as an argument says more about your mentality then his.

Nevertheless, i agree - You should be able to deal with any strategy.

[Jacome]

If you care so much about BD op then you should defend your towers better so you don't have to worry about it.

[Sukari]

What is backdooring exactly anyway - there seems to be so many different versions/interpretations of it.. So what is it exactly?

[Crosis]

Yes, because PsR says so much about ones skill. To be honest, the fact that you use his rating as an argument says more about your mentality then his.

Nevertheless, i agree - You should be able to deal with any strategy.

Where did i say anything about his PSR? Gotta love kids who try to be "smart" by assuming stuff and trying to make themselves look cool! His PSR was part of the reason i dont consider him pro, other reasons are his stats like win/loss etc, but thanks for looking like an idiot.

[Fernix]

Maybe i am out of it, but lets say scout for a instance, he can start to backdoor in any 2v2 / 3v3 and totally destroy the game. Its disabling one of the other heros to constant watch the base, since cooldown on TP is 60 seconds. Personally backdoor isnt that cool, since it destroys the game depending on what kind of hero u pick.

Again how can you prevent backdoor since its inbuilt in the game, but i think that leagues has banned it because of the fair balance of the game. If ur feeded and constant backdoor, that will make the other team fall totally back and the game is over if u get 5+ kills.

Sorry for my bad grammer im not english.. anyway this is my 2 thoughts

[Reonhato]

i had a guy complain the other day coz we attacked their base while creeps were attacking our tower.

basically as far as i see it you cant backdoor because buildings are immune until you kill the tower. what you can do is creep skip which basically means you dont wait the minute it takes for your creeps to get to the enemy base. anyone who complains about BD basically wants everything to be as easy as possible, they want to have plenty of warning before some1 attacks there base, rather then using 135 gold

[gral]

okay so in a 5v5 game 1 team choses the scout and backdoors in the middle of a fight destroying the tower/rax. the other team cant do anything because if they try to teleport most likely they will be stunner or silenced making it impossible to defend against it. i hardly think thats a legit strat

[Reonhato]

okay so in a 5v5 game 1 team choses the scout and backdoors in the middle of a fight destroying the tower/rax. the other team cant do anything because if they try to teleport most likely they will be stunner or silenced making it impossible to defend against it. i hardly think thats a legit strat


your now fighting 5v4, kill them send some1 back to defend vs scout, the others go forward and rax.

fact is if they have some1 bding they are 1 man down. if you have let scout grind up enuff to be able to kill creeps and buildings before you can tp back i think bding is the least of your worries.

its a legit strat, rarely banned and in my experience results in more losses then wins.

[Rubenros]

Where did i say anything about his PSR? Gotta love kids who try to be "smart" by assuming stuff and trying to make themselves look cool! His PSR was part of the reason i dont consider him pro, other reasons are his stats like win/loss etc, but thanks for looking like an idiot.

Ah, because calling people kids make you look so much "cooler".

Nevertheless, PsR is a measurement of Wins and losses- the stat that you used to conclude that he was not a pro. If you mean his K/d is bad, you're an idiot as well -how many kills do you think a pro supporter have?

Anyway, "Thanks for looking like an idiot" Etc etc.

[perseusprime]

What is backdooring exactly anyway - there seems to be so many different versions/interpretations of it.. So what is it exactly?

In general, backdooring is attacking a building when your creep wave is nowhere near it. The exception being if the building is deniable (less than 100 hp).

Example 1: You are Legion on the bottom lane. Your creeps are fighting the Hellbourne creeps right in front of your tower. You sneak around the creeps and destroy the Hellbourne tower.

I also consider the following to be backdooring:

Example 2: Your team has pushed the middle lane all the way in and taken out both Barracks. The top and bottom lanes are fighting at your base, but your team proceeds to attack the (in base) towers and Barracks for those lanes.

Whether the strategy is legit or not, is up to you. Personally, I avoid doing it for sportsmanship reasons; however, if the other team tries to turn the tide of battle by using it, I am not above responding in kind.

[sp0kelset]

Didn't read much of what you wrote but anyhoo.

Backdooring ruins games, no matter how much they achieve by doing so.
(And for the record, I was standing in the base while the other guys pushed, with me they would have won. Without me we lost. Because every time scout thought there were no-one arnound he came killing barracks (name Berex). I was pyro and managed to hold him back when he was alone.)

Suggestion: with no enemy creeps in the base-area, allies buildings should be invulerable.

[Goon]

Didn't read much of what you wrote

Suggestion: my input is useless.

fixed

[Edquilang1]

I don't backdoor because it would dishona my famiry and I would have to commit sepekku. :rolleyes:

Seriously though, BD should be up to whoever has the power to decide to allow/disallow it. And guess what? S2 is okay with it.

[Crosis]

Ah, because calling people kids make you look so much "cooler".

Nevertheless, PsR is a measurement of Wins and losses- the stat that you used to conclude that he was not a pro. If you mean his K/d is bad, you're an idiot as well -how many kills do you think a pro supporter have?

Anyway, "Thanks for looking like an idiot" Etc etc.

Rofl, next time you try to attack me take some time to think about what you post. Again your reading comprehension amazes me, i wasnt even using his PSR as the main refrence lol..... But once again your focal point of attack is PSR. Look at my stats, i play support alot and i learned on this account never having played dota, i still have a 63% win 1.5 kdr etc when i constantly pub with a bunch of newbs in the 1700+ games against organized teams.

But yea ill say it again... Thanks for looking like an idiot, again. Please just stop posting trying to come at me you wont win and youre just gonna make yourself look worse and worse everytime.

Edit: Also PSR isnt even reflective on just your win/losses. Its reflective on the PSR in the game which gives you the amount of points you gain or lose, then you could be a person who just gets bad luck and loses games cause of feeders etc. I hate the psr system because its very innaccurate ATM with the people cheating etc hencing why its constantly being changed and looked at, not to mention you could just pad them if youre a good player playing EMs or only playing with 3+ friends and never truely "pubing" etc, so saying i base stuff off that is very very funny. Someone who is quoting how pros do it, then they usually consider themselves pro if they dismiss what everyone says like he did hencing why i posted that because nothing is pro about his stats psr etc. So if you wanna focus on the PSR aspect go for it.

Not gonna respond to you again though cause youre not worth my time anymore.

[JamesObscura]

Sorry... I just wanted to point out something I found really funny... Anyone else notice Crosis has a worse k:d ratio then the guy he made fun of in the first place? What a noob.

P.s. Crosis I suggest you edit your posts so you look less stupid.

[Pyrate]

kd alone doesnt mean much, i have a kd lower than my brother.....but he plays mainly noob only games, and as such he gets a lot of noob teams and loses a lot, thus his PSR is 200 points below mine.

[JamesObscura]

So... let me get this straight... K:D doesn't mean much... PSR doesn't mean much... I'm a ****ing pro then. YOU'RE ALL PROS! PRO PARTY!

*pro dance*

/end retardism

This is getting retarded.

Edit: On topic: Backdooring is legit and easily counter-able. I played nymph today and was easily able to defend base from 3-4 enemies at a time.

[Crosis]

Sorry... I just wanted to point out something I found really funny... Anyone else notice Crosis has a worse k:d ratio then the guy he made fun of in the first place? What a noob.

P.s. Crosis I suggest you edit your posts so you look less stupid.

And i have a **** load more assists, its not all about K : D dumbass...

[JamesObscura]

Oh you're right... you have slightly more assists ratio wise... you are more useless but, your team (on average) is better then his.

[Pyrate]

given his PSR chances are he is also playing against much more skilled opponents. I could have a KD of 2.5 if i wanted to, but its not fun for me to play against noobs all day

You cant use 1 single stat to say how good a player is, you have to combine them all to make a judgement. something that can also cloud a players abilities is what role they tend to play, for me its support, thus i dont get a lot of kills but i do get a fair few assists. I also get less creep kills because i dont farm like people who play play a lot of item dependent heroes. My fav hero is Electrician, i go entire games and only get 40 creep kills, and only have, Steamboots, HotBL and Headress at the end of the game, yet still finish on 3-3-15 (as i did last game).

Is that perfect, no, but I was with a nighthound, who I let get the last hits on heroes and creeps because thats my job. Do I get recognition for that, no, do people see that in my stats, no, but i do it anyway, why because thats my role.

[Reonhato]

i love how the OP just assumed BD is against the rules (dont know how he got to that assumption as there really isnt anything to say it is against the rules) rather then using the search and finding a million threads clearly stating it isnt.

[Flavius1]

PSR-peen and KD-peen fights are destined for lose. Please get back on topic. Backdooring is here, deal with it and stop crying.

[Crosis]

Oh you're right... you have slightly more assists ratio wise... you are more useless but, your team (on average) is better then his.

After stat checking you in game you have no right to call anyone useless lol


given his PSR chances are he is also playing against much more skilled opponents. I could have a KD of 2.5 if i wanted to, but its not fun for me to play against noobs all day

You cant use 1 single stat to say how good a player is, you have to combine them all to make a judgement. something that can also cloud a players abilities is what role they tend to play, for me its support, thus i dont get a lot of kills but i do get a fair few assists. I also get less creep kills because i dont farm like people who play play a lot of item dependent heroes. My fav hero is Electrician, i go entire games and only get 40 creep kills, and only have, Steamboots, HotBL and Headress at the end of the game, yet still finish on 3-3-15 (as i did last game).

Is that perfect, no, but I was with a nighthound, who I let get the last hits on heroes and creeps because thats my job. Do I get recognition for that, no, do people see that in my stats, no, but i do it anyway, why because thats my role.

Someone who has an idea what hes talking about lol, higher psr is harder games usually.

[Realn]

KD = you get kills. Own newbs in one game with a 30-1 and you are set. =\
Win % = You win...
PSR = you win against other people that win.

IMO PSR is the best indicator of skill...



BD is lame, especially for blinking/invis heros and carry heros who just want a big chunk of 800g in a couldn't be more undeserved way. But more lame is people who complain about BD as illegal or against the "rules" where no such rules are set...

[silentriot]

No rules in Backdoor in public play... but its just bad manner IMO. In leagues or competitive play of course BD wouldnt be allowed which means.. No entering base without creeps and outside (Non-BaseTowers) Towers are allowed to be attacked. Once inside enemys base with creeps, feel free to do watever you want.

[gambler]

I don't understand all this discussion. Your Hero can damage a building without allied creeps around and it isn't pointed as a game bug. The towers are the primary defense for your barracks and if you lost it, you deserve to lose your barracks and everything else by creeps or not. There's no such thing as backdoor.

[Valtieri]

No one else should reply before reading this. Please, for the love of god.

http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html

Backdooring is strategy. People who complain about it are stupid. The simple truth is that if you are incapable of defending what you have, then you deserve to lose it. It seems to be trendy or something to complain about it, then blame your losses on being BD'd. Suck it up and play better, maybe it wont happen next time.

[Criticlol]

It's poor sportsmanship and I frown on it when anyone takes part in it, be it on my team or not. Yes it's easily countered, no in pub games does it get countered often and fictitious rule or not I simply won't engage in it or condone it.

Those who do are playing the game the way they want, but that won't stop me from voicing an opinion otherwise despite knowing it's allowable.

[Mind`]

Backdooring. The act of reducing the health points of an opponents barrack without the aid of friendly (Hellbourne or Legion) units/creeps.

SHORT POST: Backdoor in pubs, not Inhouses or Scrims, and especially not in Tourny / League play that ban Backdooring.

LONG POST:

I personally do backdoor in public games when necessary because I play to win.
It is rare, but I do it.

I personally never backdoor in an In-House game full of friends.

And I absolutely NEVER backdoor in league / tournament games, and am very glad it is banned in 99% of those leagues.

+ Backdooring brings on a sense of 'Douchbaggery', and it is frowned upon by a lot of people in the community, whether it's DotA or HoN.

Backdooring brings a different game to the table, where the enemy must (in most cases) retreat from a well-deserved Quad-Kill because there is a Scout making 'all your base belong to him'.

Backdooring is fun to do! :)


If my team just won a very close team fight and was pushing barracks, and a Defiler on the other team started backdooring our own base, we now have to (most likely) have at least 3 people port back to FOUNTAIN because they need to heal from the last fight, THEN run to defend a tower or barrack from the douchbaggery Defiler.
--Now where are we?
We have 3 people back home, with only a max of 2 still pushing after the team fight. By the time 3 people run back to continue pushing, the enemy heroes will have all respawned.

Defiler, alone, stopped a push without engaging an enemy hero.

[ain]

Deal with it.

[Kaizen`1]

Backdooring is legal.
Backdooring is legal.
Backdooring is legal.
Backdooring is legal.
Backdooring is legal.
Backdooring is legal.
Backdooring is legal.

*wipes sweat off forehead*

Backdooring is legal.
Backdooring is legal.
Backdooring is legal.
Backdooring is legal.

[Kemipso]

Hi there, backdooring is legal, and people like it, or don't. Ok.
Is there a "No BD" option, or one being worked on by S2?

I find the idea to be not so bad.

- Kemipso

[Surreal12]

In Leagues that supported Dota (I know they arent the same game, but bear with me). Leagues such as CEVO for example would allow backdooring until it was into the enemy base. Once your creep wave entered the base however, it was fair game...
I'm hoping the same rules apply. End Thread. kthx.

[Mister_Regem]

I dont like it when magebane takes dmg. It should be socially unacceptable for magebane to take damage. Magebane should only be able to take dmg when beside a creep - or they should have a rule so that i can turn off "damaing to magebane". Only noobs try to hit magebane.

[Goon]

please keep this topic alive longer. it makes my pores dizzy and my dick hard