How to kill a predator?

[HeLLgEiST]

How do u kill Predator after he gets shrunken head and symbol of rage? along with some other dps enhancing items?

Just lost soley cause pred went mid and farmed the crap outta BH and then with the help of hands of midas proceeded to get 400+ gold per min and just farm his way to victory.

Granted my team didn't have a farmed hard carry, tho rampage was pretty farmed(but spent a decent chunk of change on portal key)

I was int support btw...

[Thysios]

Kill him before he gets that farmed.
Ward/couterward/gank
Shrunken/Symbol/'other dps items'
How much gold does all that cost?

[Anakha]

Void Talisman, FWS etc etc.

[Magnitoo]

Kuldras helps a lot too ) Any sort of cc item really. Get wards, focus him out before the teamfight.

[siknoz]

You're talking at like the 50min+ mark...get 5 void talisman's and 5 push sticks. After his stonehide wheres off just push him around constantly till he rage quits.

[Travakh]

Panda is hard counter

[QKO]

:NullfireBlade::BarbedArmor:

If he stone hides or symbol of rages you purge him. Then the Barbed armor will do its job.

The other option is to get armor. Never get HP vs predator unless you have a barbed armor to make it useful. The more HP you got, the more predator will leech back from you, the more you **** your team over.

[Ukjen7]

Arachna eats pred :), just ulti him, run. slow some more, slow slow slow!
Spider slows even if he has his hide up!

[freshderp]

void talisman/toc/hurricane owns pred :O

[WipE_InC]

You're talking at like the 50min+ mark...get 5 void talisman's and 5 push sticks. After his stonehide wheres off just push him around constantly till he rage quits.

Whoa, i fell almost from my chair. xD

Err, Armor is the best way to survive a predator in the longer run. Void´s, CC-Items or Frostwolf´s (slow goes though Shrunken) will do the job, too.

And, if you know that you will play against a Pred, pick a better carry. Any agi-haldcarry will outcarry him in late-game. does not apply to SD or all random games, ofc.

[LudaBaba]

http://animalreview.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/panda_cub_from_wolong_sichuan_china.jpg

[KiviMajava]

What is that animal?^

[Hreindeer]

panda, pick it

[fenrixx]

Panda can keep predator down in the mid game, but predator tears through him in the lategame. That's a fact, never trust pandamonuim to outdps predator when preda has like 3k hp and 30 armor. Though, if you play your midgame right as panda, preda won't reach the lategame.

:flin::dark::scou::chro::mage::madm: etc outcarries him though.
:TabletOfCommand::Platemail::VoidTalisman::Frostwo lfsSkull: are big counters aswell.

[Sesshoumaru]

Panda can keep predator down in the mid game, but predator tears through him in the lategame. That's a fact, never trust pandamonuim to outdps predator when preda has like 3k hp and 30 armor. Though, if you play your midgame right as panda, preda won't reach the lategame.

:flin::dark::scou::chro::mage::madm: etc outcarries him though.
:TabletOfCommand::Platemail::VoidTalisman::Frostwo lfsSkull: are big counters aswell.

Lies! With the same farm, panda will eat pred with his combo lategame.

[Skurkepenis]

Succubus.. Any suprisor magic really.. not that hard to counter, but if you dont got the team for it , he can rape you pretty damn hard.

[smeding]

:NullfireBlade::BarbedArmor:

If he stone hides or symbol of rages you purge him. Then the Barbed armor will do its job.

The other option is to get armor. Never get HP vs predator unless you have a barbed armor to make it useful. The more HP you got, the more predator will leech back from you, the more you **** your team over.

ehh you cant purge stonehide with nullfire right?

[HollowMask]

Buddy if you let Predator farm a Shrunken Head. Just...that alone, you're most likely fcuked.

[QKO]

ehh you cant purge stonehide with nullfire right?
I never seen a patch saying you can't. So for as far as I know you can; people just don't do it.

[smeding]

I never seen a patch saying you can't. So for as far as I know you can; people just don't do it.

hmm cant test it atm, but jera's shield says in tooltip it can be purged by nullfire. The tooltip of stonehide doesn't.

[LudaBaba]

Panda can keep predator down in the mid game, but predator tears through him in the lategame. That's a fact, never trust pandamonuim to outdps predator when preda has like 3k hp and 30 armor. Though, if you play your midgame right as panda, preda won't reach the lategame.

:flin::dark::scou::chro::mage::madm: etc outcarries him though.
:TabletOfCommand::Platemail::VoidTalisman::Frostwo lfsSkull: are big counters aswell.

As you said, if you pwn pred with panda from early, which is not hard, panda will get levels and items. Pred wont. Therefore no carry predator.
And even with same amount of gear, panda can beat him because his combo.

[Doppler]

Ds is a good pick vs him. Just heal him to death :)

[Dehorn]

tell :jera: :devo: :pand: :succ: to press R... countered

[Kraphty]

Panda does well. Also if you can slow him, you can kite him. Aracha does well with this.

Also one thing many didn't mention about DS is the +armor from the ult is great against him.

[Kraphty]

heal him to death

Quite a paradox you created. T-up

[lol_IMMORTAL]

What dehorn said about the ults,

also anybody that buys a void essentially makes him useless because he has to walk to a different person with his stone skin on. spread out properly, and his magic immunity will have gone to waste, and you have someone easy to cc/FF down. gg him

[Dragana]

Everytime i have to play versus :pred: i instant pick :hamm: .
Just look at this predator will fallow you/leap that means 3rd skill on ,use ulti and use elders than look how he will run xD

My Hammer build is ::EnhancedMarchers::ElderParasite::Insanitarius::S hrunkenHead::Riftshards::Brutalizer:

522 movement and 800-900 crits possible :)

[Mr_Rogers]

Ok.... How has this guy not been named yet. :trem: hard counters pred. He just puts his slow on him and pred can't do anything. Trust me it just happened. I was fully farmed 6 items lvl 25 team fight. trem just runs in hits me backs away from melee range runs back in hits me. And im almost frozen in place. His slow
is
so
dumb.

[TheHammer3]

What dehorn said about the ults,

also anybody that buys a void essentially makes him useless because he has to walk to a different person with his stone skin on. spread out properly, and his magic immunity will have gone to waste, and you have someone easy to cc/FF down. gg him

This. He's incredibly easy to kite with a competent team. Also not seeing how he's putting out such massive amounts of damage going shrunken as first item on a pred. You can't let him get that out of control.

[Jeen_Lander]

pred CAN BE KILLED but only by another farmed carry


magebane, zeph, dark lady, and heck most strength heroes could kill a pred


your carry simply needs equal farm to the pred plus a basher

[Stokkolm]

A predator with symbol of rage & shrunken has 360ms. Get a tablet of command in your team and push the hero he leaped on. With all that hp and imunity he's useles if he can't attack anything. You still need ranged attacks/abilities to kill him though.

[PH34RST3R]

you had a rampage on your team, that's already a nice counter to predator :< disable him through his magic immunity and nuke him down with your team o_o done

[fenrixx]

Lies! With the same farm, panda will eat pred with his combo lategame.

Try then, panda won't even take 50% of his hp. after his ulti is gone, panda is food.

[fenrixx]

pred CAN BE KILLED but only by another farmed carry


magebane, zeph, dark lady, and heck most strength heroes could kill a pred


your carry simply needs equal farm to the pred plus a basher


How stupid are people? Pred melts str carries. EVEN PANDA IF IT REACHES THE LATEGAME. panda can't even take 50% of preds hp with his combo, when both are fully farmed.

[fenrixx]

As you said, if you pwn pred with panda from early, which is not hard, panda will get levels and items. Pred wont. Therefore no carry predator.
And even with same amount of gear, panda can beat him because his combo.

No, he can't in the lategame. If preda gets caught in panda's ulti with stonehide on, preda most likely has like 40 armor due to daemonic etc. Thats over 60% damage reduction. put in insanitarus+heart and preda got over 4k hp. Try it in practise mode. Give preda heart, daemonic, insanitarius, steamboots, fws, mkb.

All panda can do is run after his ultimate is over.


Yes, panda shits over predator early and during the midgame. But it isn't for sure that your team will rule during that time, as it's a 5v5 game. If pred's team can last until preda is farmed, panda can just basecamp.


I love how players keep theory crafting without ACTUAL evidence. Panda seems like a strong counter, but only during early, and midgame.

[Jeen_Lander]

How stupid are people? Pred melts str carries. EVEN PANDA IF IT REACHES THE LATEGAME. panda can't even take 50% of preds hp with his combo, when both are fully farmed.



id say best lategame counter to pred is magebane

geos, symbol, demonic, charged, basher, savage


magebane with that should kill a pred with any items. 1v1


not only that but magebane without boots can still blink everywhere owning preds entire team where as the pred without boots is pretty crap

[fenrixx]

id say best lategame counter to pred is magebane

geos, symbol, demonic, charged, basher, savage


magebane with that should kill a pred with any items. 1v1


not only that but magebane without boots can still blink everywhere owning preds entire team where as the pred without boots is pretty crap

I 100% agree with that, most agi carries tends to trash predator lategame as they have high armor values and low hp, making carinivorous almost useless.

[Ekamo]

I never seen a patch saying you can't. So for as far as I know you can; people just don't do it.

You can't.

[Ekamo]

No, he can't in the lategame. If preda gets caught in panda's ulti with stonehide on, preda most likely has like 40 armor due to daemonic etc. Thats over 60% damage reduction. put in insanitarus+heart and preda got over 4k hp. Try it in practise mode. Give preda heart, daemonic, insanitarius, steamboots, fws, mkb.

All panda can do is run after his ultimate is over.


Yes, panda shits over predator early and during the midgame. But it isn't for sure that your team will rule during that time, as it's a 5v5 game. If pred's team can last until preda is farmed, panda can just basecamp.


I love how players keep theory crafting without ACTUAL evidence. Panda seems like a strong counter, but only during early, and midgame.

Hai, I heard a like 7 sec total of disable was bad. Since this is a 5vs5 game and all, it must be.

[DeepWaters]

:plag: and:corr: say hi.

really, how didnt anyone mention CD? he shits pred early, mid, late, and for eternity.

[fenrixx]

Hai, I heard a like 7 sec total of disable was bad. Since this is a 5vs5 game and all, it must be.

:TabletOfCommand: Counters panda 110%. Since it is a 5v5 game, that panda disable will only last for 0.5 seconds

[Kudryavka]

^I thought they made Shrunken block Tablet a while back?

Also, to beat Pred, get Void Talismans on your squishies and get a farmed AGI carry. Almost any AGI carry will beat him late game.

[fenrixx]

^I thought they made Shrunken block Tablet a while back?

Also, to beat Pred, get Void Talismans on your squishies and get a farmed AGI carry. Almost any AGI carry will beat him late game.


Correct.

[PrestonLee]

Try then, panda won't even take 50% of his hp. after his ulti is gone, panda is food.wat is this i don't even.

[saucebrune]

Granted my team didn't have a farmed hard carry


Then forget it

[Wuaschtsemme]

evasion, armor, physical/sup magic stuns, fws, life steal, kiting (!), cc after immunity
remember pred can jungle endlessly, but he isnt the most effective hero to pull it off. Gank him in the laning phase, gank him while he´s rising.

Dont try to gank him alone as he will win most 1vs1, always take some buddies with you. He has no blink and his magic immunity wont protect him that long. Ward offensive to spot him. Imo he is a type of carry who likes to turtle -> the longer the game goes on, the more he becomes a threat.
If you can end quick, do it. Push a lot and try to gain as much map control as possible. If he has no place to farm, he won´t farm at all.


Oh, dont try to get more hp to survive him better.

[Techno_Mage]

i agree with tremble, if you set shudder on him and run in circles at max ms around him he can't do anything to you, his leap slows you the same as your slow but you have higher ms so it doesn't matter(plus you can hold him), whenever he hits shudder you go and hit him

but i agree with the general stuff, agi carry beats him and panda will too for most of the game

[fenrixx]

"update"

Tried predator vs panda when I was panda vs a pred in practise mode.

Panda items: :ShrunkenHead::EnhancedMarchers::Riftshards::Insan itarius::BehemothsHeart::DaemonicBreastplate

Predator items: :DaemonicBreastplate:SavageMace::Insanitarius::Beh emothsHeart::Steamboots::HackNSlash:

If you ask why panda has a bkb in a 1v1 simulation, it's because panda would have it in a real game.


After I comboed predator with flick,stun,flurry,ult,flurry. Preda had about 50% hp left. He teared through panda after his ultimate was gone. Predator didn't even use ult, leap, stonehide etc in this simulation.


Just fire up a practise game and try for yourself. Yes, panda rapes predator during early and midgame, but if both are maxed out, panda has nothing to stand up vs predator.

YES, this was a 1v1 scenario. I'm aware of that panda would have 4 teammates, but so would predator have too.

But saying that panda rapes predator 1v1 even in the lategame is pure bullshit.

[frtzarn]

"update"

But saying that panda rapes predator 1v1 even in the lategame is pure bullshit.
When people say that they dont mean they would rape him by himself, they mean that the physical stun would allow your teammates to pound on him and get that other 50% of his hp during the ~6 seconds pred cant do anything. Of course panda won't win in a 1v1 standoff, but his disables make pred useless and food for your team

[Aeru]

Well people always say, if panda can stunlock him 6 sec long pred is dead...okay granted panda can dish out 50% of preds hp, the other 50 should come from his teammates.

BUT, who said PREDs teammates couldn't do a thing? If they are even half decent, they'll protect pred and after panda wears off -> anahilation

[FastNoobGo]

I like how this thread has turned into a "can panda beat pred 1v1 lategame" thread. Ideally, if you're panda and you're using your combo on the enemy pred, I hope the rest of the team is right there helping to burn him down.

[Khrrck]

1. Use physical or Superior Magic CC to disable him long enough for your team to focus him down. There's quite a few of them. :dead::silh::temp::mali::behe::gaun::succ::arac::d evo::soulr::pest::flin::legi::krak::pand::keep::ra mp::tund::hell::chro::trem::andr: all have abilities which disable or hinder him in one way or another, even through Stone Hide or Shrunken Head.

2. Make his target hard to kill. Stormspirit and Void Talisman will make it hard for him to kill whoever they're active on. :andr: can swap places with a more important hero, dying in their place. :plag::keep::jera::deme: provide bonus armor to their allies, reducing Pred's damage. Many heroes with strong escape mechanisms (:myrm::bubb::chro::wret::valk::madm: and so on) can get away from him on their own. Possibly strongest of all though is Tablet of Command - don't try to use it on the Predator, but use it on his targets to push them away from his melee range.

3. Start the fight before he does. Use Portal Key initiators to get the jump on him and start the stun chain before he can go magic immune. Kuldra's Sheepstick can add CC to this, or Hellflower can prevent him from using Stone Hide or Shrunken Head at all (although be careful, because it'll still allow him to attack!)

4. If all else fails, try to burst down his allies quickly. Fed or not, a Predator can't expect to kill your team without help.

[Dr`Delicious]

If I see the other team pick Predator, I pick Rampage. Works pretty well.

[Farosarg]

^I thought they made Shrunken block Tablet a while back?

Also, to beat Pred, get Void Talismans on your squishies and get a farmed AGI carry. Almost any AGI carry will beat him late game.

Yeah they made Shrunken block Tablet. But you can still push Panda's target which will effectively end the ultimate lockdown.

[Pink4life]

:Stormspirit: works preety well against pred.He jumps on person X,you cyclone the X and basically thats it for me.All the times i used it like that it worked very well to minimize the burst of a predator and give us more time to react

[Tseabal]

quadruple post? i r impress

[fenrixx]

When people say that they dont mean they would rape him by himself, they mean that the physical stun would allow your teammates to pound on him and get that other 50% of his hp during the ~6 seconds pred cant do anything. Of course panda won't win in a 1v1 standoff, but his disables make pred useless and food for your team

It's just that.. Predator got stonehide, and maybe a bkb. If he turns on the bkb/stonehide right before panda ults him, his ult will do minimal damage, and his team can't even help panda more than the opposing team can help preda because he is magic immune.

Invalid argument is invalid.

[Tzaa]

CC him down HARD. Initiate on him on teamfights, burst him down..

Should he manage to pop his ****, kill his team while he is immune and hope You don't die : /

[RaiKay]

Pick Chris Hanson. Auto-win

[Mallet]

Puppet >> Pred with a good team. Pred dies quickly to huge amounts of burst damage (hint hint puppet master!) Make sure your puppet grabs life leech/savage mace and pred is toast with a good team.
Make sure you get tablets of command and the such also

[Mad`Max]

The short answer:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcReFdYY1Pr_EF9lODhXLqBvOr3Y0RCJ_ aFSkfKJd3--sVF85I247w

[Frontoni]

"update"

Tried predator vs panda when I was panda vs a pred in practise mode.

Panda items: :ShrunkenHead::EnhancedMarchers::Riftshards::Insan itarius::BehemothsHeart::DaemonicBreastplate

Predator items: :DaemonicBreastplate:SavageMace::Insanitarius::Beh emothsHeart::Steamboots::HackNSlash:

If you ask why panda has a bkb in a 1v1 simulation, it's because panda would have it in a real game.


After I comboed predator with flick,stun,flurry,ult,flurry. Preda had about 50% hp left. He teared through panda after his ultimate was gone. Predator didn't even use ult, leap, stonehide etc in this simulation.


Just fire up a practise game and try for yourself. Yes, panda rapes predator during early and midgame, but if both are maxed out, panda has nothing to stand up vs predator.

YES, this was a 1v1 scenario. I'm aware of that panda would have 4 teammates, but so would predator have too.

But saying that panda rapes predator 1v1 even in the lategame is pure bullshit.

herp bad simulation is bad,
pred is locked down during taht time while getting damaged down to 50%
if you are unable to finish of the last 50% with 4 ppl, go uninstall

[fenrixx]

herp bad simulation is bad,
pred is locked down during taht time while getting damaged down to 50%
if you are unable to finish of the last 50% with 4 ppl, go uninstall

So when did the fight turn 1v5 in panda's favour?

[NoMarcy]

only noobs use leap on the first target

[PrestonLee]

if panda has a bkb (which he most likely will), you'd have to get a superior magic stun to stop him from locking down pred. that's why it's annoying even taking into account 5v5, especially if panda got nullstone+shrunken.

unlike pred, panda has more than one single target spells as well so he can just eat up a nullstone if pred picks one up.

panda hardcounters pred, no doubt.

also, panda will always have more farm than predator unless the panda is just derp. he can take out triple stacks/creep waves like nothing very early on.

[Dehorn]

So when did the fight turn 1v5 in panda's favour?

well that was the whole point of the thread before it got side tracked.

[Dredrick]

http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=38317212

So, this is a bit of an ego stroke, but I killed a fed lvl 23 predator in less than 3 secconds near the end of this game.

TL : DR Warbeast ****ing owns.