View Full Version : Is bottle first mid ever a good idea?
04-26-2011, 04:26 PM
I've gotten used to making fun of people who get bottle first. I say get some basic stats and regen first, then courier the bottle. Though I suppose it lets you nuke early and grab the first rune, it still seems suboptimal. I've seen it on people like torturer, madman, and deadwood among others.
04-26-2011, 04:31 PM
if you can get the rune why not.
but the only thing is that YOU have a 50% chance of getting the rune spawned on your side.
If both of you leave at 50 seconds its just basically a gamble for who gets the rune. If you go bottle first burn your mana and can't get the rune you lose the lane.
It just involves way too much risk for success.
04-26-2011, 04:31 PM
If you think you can harass really hard thanks to it, and prevent the other mid from farming and you can farm yourself with (probably) less damage than him, why not? Most people just don't risk it and try getting early damage stats items(cheap ones like totems or duck boots-->agi heroes, etc). N0tail as an example gets bottle lvl 1 with SoulStealer (and his one of the best players out there at HoN IMO) because he harasses the **** out of the other guy and gets the Demon Hands lvl 1 sometimes...its viable but only if you know what your doing and can own the lane even without more damage for last hits than the other guy.
04-26-2011, 04:35 PM
level 1 demon hand does 75 damage. you ****en idiot
for 3 spells at level one thats his entire mana pool.
its not VIABLE at all cause with one tango they can get their entire hp pool back.
Your miscomprehending what he does because it feelsl like he gets demon hand level 1 to help him farm easier in lane which sounds more logical. get a creep harass at the same time its pretty simple logic. However for the mana cost of the spell it would cause you to get stats as your second level just to keep on continuing to spam your raze to get a few creeps.
Soul Stealer is also a rune dependent hero that is squishy as ****. You think you're going to be able to fight for runes with half life and mana?
04-26-2011, 04:52 PM
Yes, i think i would be able to fight runes with half life and mana easily, and beat you x10...
N0tail does it, because he starts to dominate the lane early, as he does with all heroes. He trades hits, because he can. His bottle-ferrying is still incredible, and that on top of the fact of MSI's rune controlling ability makes it a worthwile technique in the competitive scene.
For the regular player, just go stats, it's a better idea. If you want to do it, make sure you have a winged courier and wards, then it's viable. Otherwise the only hero that can do it effectively is TB (IMO)
04-26-2011, 05:05 PM
I always go bottle first with DW mid .... his 2nd skill gives enough dmg to lasthit easily and u mostlikely get every rune .. if enemy tries to get rune u use grasp and if he doesn't go b just get rune and kill :>
Just a lower 1700 player so dunno if viable in higher ups
04-26-2011, 05:20 PM
I've started doing it on chipper, and seriously it kicks ass. You will get every creep kill with your rockets and you can ferry boots/stats items with courier very early thanks to it.
04-26-2011, 07:16 PM
Why would you want to start with something you can get in under 2 minutes?
04-26-2011, 07:37 PM
Only doing it on devo.
04-26-2011, 07:40 PM
if you're scourge then yes. just run to the rune at 2:00 and it always spawns haste right in front of you. then you run up to the int heros on your devo and say "gg noobs"
Depends on my goal in the lane and who I'm up against. If I expect an opponent that can do little more than spell spam, dies to my own spells rather easily and doesn't best me in last hitting, then bottle is viable. Sometimes I do it because my opponent doesn't really expect it/gets wrong impression about me and other times I do it because I know I won't get enough farm in the lane.
For everything: if you can make it work, then go for it. If it fails you then don't. You don't HAVE to play it safe everytime you start in the lane, you don't HAVE to buy stats. Your only interest is winning the game.
04-26-2011, 08:34 PM
it's always stupid stats are good l2p n0fail
04-26-2011, 10:53 PM
It's 100% viable if you get a buddy to play Ophelia or Tempest and buy 0:00 flying courier for you to whore the bottle with. Otherwise, probably not a good idea.