[List] Edge Counter (WIP)

[Zejety]

I'm in the process of testing what spells and effects can trigger :noma: Edge Counter. I've also observed a few other interesting interactions. This thread is to share my information on a general and a more detailed level.

Please be aware that I've yet to test a lot of heroes and items. Color codes and other formatting will be added after the list is complete.


General observations:
The big majority of offensive spells is counterable. DoTs do not trigger EC but the spells that apply them usually do. DoTs that get re-applied automaticaly by some effects (:devo:Decay, :balp:Regurgitate...) do not trigger it.
Summons' and gadgets' attacks do not trigger it either.
As an other general note, everything that gets blocked by a :Nullstone:Nullstone and :mora:Arcane Shield triggers EC. Interestingly, those spells can sometimes trigger it both on cast point and on the projectile's impact.

List
To celebrate me discovering practicve ++, now in alphabetical order

:accu: Accursed

Cauterize: counterable
Fire Shield (detonation): counterable


:alun: Aluna

Emerald Lightning (first hit): counterable, spell will not bounce either
Emerald Lighnting (bounces): not counterable
Power Throw: counterable
Deja Vu (green and red slows): not counterable


:andr: Andromeda

Comet: counterable
Aurora: counterable
Void Rip: counterable; neither Andromeda nor Nomad get teleported


:arac: Arachna

Webbed Shot (left-clicked): counterable
Spider Sting (spider projectile): counterable; the spider does not spawn
Spider Sting (spider's attacks): not counterable


:arma: Armadon

Snot Storm: Counterable
Spine Burst: Counterable
Armordillo Spinde Burst: Counterable


:balp: Balphagore

Regurgitate: not counterable
Demonic Pathogen (initial cast): counterable
Demonic Pathogen (spread): not counterable
Corpse Conversion (minions' attacks): not counterable
Hell on Newerth: counterable
80-charges minions' explosion: counterable; EC fired towards Balphagore


:behe: Behemoth

Fissure: counterable
Heavyweight: counterable
Shock Wave: counterable


:blac: Blacksmith

Fireball: counterable; can not multicast if countered (needs confirmation)
Flaming Hammer (target): counterable on application
Flaming Hammer (area): not counterable


:bloo: Blood Hunter

Blood Crazy: counterable on application
Hemorrhage: counterable on application


:bomb: Bombardier

Sticky Bomb: counterable on both application and detonation
Bombardment: every wave of damage is counterable
Boom Dust: counterable on both application (on Nomad) and detonation. When EC procs while Boom Dust is applied to Nomad, it will get dispelled and deal no damage.
Fire Bombing: counterable
:StaffOfTheMaster: napalm: not counterable


:bubb: Bubbles

Shell Surf: counterable
Song of the Sea: counterable
Take Cover: If Bubbles triggers EC while under the effect of Take Cover, EC will still go off but will not harm him.
Kelp Field: counterable on application but not on leaving the area


:chip: Chipper (The)

Rocket Barrage: counterable
Tar Toss: not counterable (could need confirmation here)
Tar+rocket dot ticks: not counterable
Sawblade Showdown: counterable


:chro: Chronos

Time Leap: counterable
Rewind: works against EC damage
Chronofield: can't test this ony my own (practice mode limitations)


:corr: Corrupted Disciple

Electric Tide: counterable
Corrupted Conduit: counterable on application
Overload: counterable


:dark: Dark Lady (The)

Taint Soul: counterable
Charging Strikes: counterable; TDL completes the strike but gets stunned and damaged
Cover of Darkness: not counterable


:damp: Dampeer

Terrorize: counterable
Vampiric Flight: counterable; Dampeer will not move
Consume: counterable


:dead: Deadwood

Rotten Grasp: not counterable
Oakbolt: counterable
Willowmaker: counterable


:defi: Defiler

Wave of Death: counterable
Grave Silence: not counterable
Unholy Expulsion: not counterable


:deme: Demented Shaman

Entangle: counterable
Healing Wave: counterable
Storm Cloud: not counterable


:devo: Devourer

Guttling Hook: counterable; Nomad will not get dragged
Decay: not counterable
Devour: counterable


:doct: Doctor Repulsor

Magnetic Contraption: counterable
Opposite Charges: counterable
Electric Frenzy (aoe): counterable
Ludicrous Speed: counterable; Repulsor will not get affected while invulnerable though


:elec: Electrician

Static Grip: counterable
Electric Shield: not counterable
Energy Absorption: counterable
Cleansing Shock: counterable


:empa: Empath

Essence Link: counterable on all ticks
Illusory Veil: not counterable
As One: damage dealt by a as-one'd Empath is counterable


:engi: Engineer

The Keg: counterable
Steam Turret: counterable on all attacks; EC fires towards the Engineer, not the turret
Spider Mines: counterable (but note that only one mine can be countered)
Energy Field: not counterable


:fayd: Fayde

Cull: counterable
Burning Shadows: not counterable itself (see below)
Burning Shadows' attacks: counterable; EC fires towards the illusion
Reflection: attack is counterable; Fayde stays invisible


:flin: Flint Beastwood

Explosive Flare: counterable
Money Shot: counterable once Flint fires and on impact


:fors: Forsaken Archer

Crippling Volley: counterable
Split Fire: counterable
Call of the Damned (minion attacks): not counterable
Piercing Arrows: counterable on every wave


:gaun: Gauntlet

Infernal Instability: counterable; when Gauntlet attacks an EC'ing Nomad, EC procs before II does - so no aoe damage will be dealt but Gauntlet keeps his buff
Grapple: counterable; Gauntlet moves but Nomad does not
Gauntlet Blast (on cast): counterable; Gb has no effect at all
Gauntlet Blast (on impact; main target): counterable
Gauntlet Blast (on impact; secondary target): not counterable


:glac: Glacius

Tundra Blast: counterable
Ice Imprisonment: counterable on application
Glacial Downpour: explosions are counterable


:glad: Gladiator (the)

Pitfall: counterable
Showdown: counterable
I Have no Patience/end of Showdown: not counterable
Flaggelation: counterable; if Nomad is the attack's target, Flaggelation will not proc at all (and not go on cooldown)
Call to Arms: counterable (when the chariot crashes)


:hamm: Hammerstorm

Hammer Throw: counterable on impact; other targets are still affected, even if Nomad is the main target
Mighty Swing: cleave is counterable; countered attacks targeting Nomad do not cleave


:hell: Hellbringer

Unholy Shackles: counterable
Death Boil (initial target): counterable, no bounces
Death Boil (bounces): not counterable
Life Void: not counterable
Summon Malphas: counterable
Malphas' attacks and spells: not counterable


:jera: Jeraziah

Inner Light: counterable
Righteous Aura: not counterable


:krak: Kraken

Torrent: counterable
Tsunami Charge: counterable; EC does not affect movement
Splash: counterable; if Nomad is the attack's target, Splash will not proc at all (and not go on cooldown)
Release the Kraken!: counterable on impact with the center; Nomad will not get affected by that particular whirl's center again


:legi: Legionnaire

Taunt: not counterable
Terrifying Charge: counterably on cast and on impact
Whirling Blade: counterable
Decapitate: counterable


:madm: Madman (the)

Stalk: counterable
Barrel Roll: counterable; rolling past Nomad makes the Madman dodge EC


:mage: Magebane

Mana Rift: counterable


:magm: Magmus

Lava Surge: counterable; Magmus will not get hit by EC
Steam Bath: not counterable
Volcanic Touch: counterable
Eruption: counterable on every wave


:mali: Maliken

Sword Throw: counterable
Possession (fear): not counterable; Nomad gets disabled but does not run around
Possession (attack splashs): counterable


:mart: Martyr

Retribution: counterable on impact


:moon: Moon Queen

Moon Beam: counterable
Multi-Strike: counterable; stops further bounces
Moon Finale: every hit is counterable


:mora: Moraxus

Quake: counterable
More Axes: counterable
Matraxe: counterable


:myrm: Myrmidon

Weed Field: not counterable
Magic Carp: counterable on cast point and on impact
Wave Form: not counterable
Forced Evolution (attacks): counterable

:nigh: Nighthound
[indent]Smoke Screen: not counterable
Pounce: counterable; Nighthound will not move


:noma: Nomad

Sandstorm: not counterable
True Strike: counterable on cast point and on impact
Mirage Strike: counterable on cast point and on impact; EC fires towards the illusion
Edge Counter: counterable


:nymp: Nymphora

Volatile Pod: counterable; EC fires towards Nymphora
Nymphoras Zeal: counterable, but only counter one hit


:ophe: Ophelia

Nature's Wraith: counterable on impact
Ophelia's Judgement: can't test this ony my own (practice mode limitations); most likely counterable


:plag: Plague Rider

Contagion: counterable
Plague Carrier (on cast): counterable, there will not be any bounces;
Plague Carrier (on impact): counterable, EC does not affect further bounces;


:slit: Slither

Poison Spray: counterable on application
Toxicity: ticks are not counterable
Toxin Ward: not counterable
Poison Burst: not counterable


:wret: Wretched Hag

Haunt: counterable on impact
Sonar Scream: counterable
Bat Blast: counterable on impact


Items

:BarbedArmor: Barbed Armor: counterable
:TabletOfCommand: Tablet of Command: can not target a Nomad in EC stance (because he is immobilzed)
:ShrunkenHead: Shrunken Head (and magic immunity in general): Effects that do not affect Nomad because he is temporarily immune to them do not trigger EC.



<to be continued>

Thanks to ElementUser for his input.

[Zejety]

<Reserved just in case>

[Vida]

FYI: Edge Counter doesn't matter what the target distance is, it will sent the wave for a fix amount in the direction of the target.

[ElementUser]

By the way, I would hold off on finishing the list since I fixed some discrepancies with Edge Counter that should be coming in a week or 2 (due to beta testing)

[Zejety]

By the way, I would hold off on finishing the list since I fixed some discrepancies with Edge Counter that should be coming in a week or 2 (due to beta testing)

Okay, thanks for notifying me.
I'll update the OP with the current stand of my tests and pause until the next patch.

[Ar7style]

Items

:BarbedArmor: Barbed Armor: counterable



How do you proc that without being instantly returned as a meele with no ranged abilities? ._.

[Vahn]

How do you proc that without being instantly returned as a meele with no ranged abilities? ._.

Mirage strike, although I think that may return the damage to the illusion.

[Zejety]

How do you proc that without being instantly returned as a meele with no ranged abilities? ._.

:Mock: Mock of Brilliance

[ElementUser]

Oh, Nomad gets immobilized while doing Edge Counter & Tablet doesn't work on immobilized units.

[Zejety]

Oh, Nomad gets immobilized while doing Edge Counter & Tablet doesn't work on immobilized units.

Thanks, updated.

[ElementUser]

Oh and btw, if something deals damage "continuously", it is usually type DoT. The only exception I can think of right now is Tremble's Q/Magmus's W (which like I said will be fixed).

However, something not continuous does not imply it is not a DoT type. Ie, Hellbringer's W is a DoT that occurs at every 1s intervals (but Nomad's R still blocks it if it isn't applied yet because the W is a single-target spell).

Something to add to your first paragraph, anything that Moraxus' Arcane Shield/Null Stone blocks will also get blocked by Edge Counter.

[Zejety]

Oh and btw, if something deals damage "continuously", it is usually type DoT. The only exception I can think of right now is Tremble's Q/Magmus's W (which like I said will be fixed).

What about Empath's Essence Link?

[Zejety]

By the way, I would hold off on finishing the list since I fixed some discrepancies with Edge Counter that should be coming in a week or 2 (due to beta testing)

Any updates on this?

[ElementUser]

It's already on Test Client, but not hitting retail till later.

Hopefully it will be in this Friday.

[foxmindedguy]

Oh and btw, if something deals damage "continuously", it is usually type DoT. The only exception I can think of right now is Tremble's Q/Magmus's W (which like I said will be fixed).

By that definition Voodoo Jester's ultimate and Forsaken Archer's Ultimate should be considered DOTs too. But Nomad can Edge Counter them :(

[ElementUser]

No it's not.

They don't deal damage every frame, they deal all the damage in 1 frame.

[haschisch]

if you can not push nomad in the moment he uses edge counter, how the hell did you test if it triggers on leaving the area of bubbles kelp field?

[ElementUser]

You can, just use Zephyr's gust.

You just can't do it with Tablet.

[EwGross]

Good info, made the mistake with andro last night to use void rip on him, thought the skill only countered damage so I wasn't worried, and boy was I wrong, he got our whole team with one counter :(

[Zejety]

if you can not push nomad in the moment he uses edge counter, how the hell did you test if it triggers on leaving the area of bubbles kelp field?

I did it with an allied Devourer.

[Zejety]

So, with 2.0.27 out, testing can resume? Also (unless I missed something) the patch has not affected any hero that's on the list already?

[Gooya]

at work now so I can't test myself.

Can someone test it with the Plague Carrier first bounce?

I had a game last night where it DID triggered EC's stun/damage, BUT it didn't nullify the damage.

[ElementUser]

Yes you can resume

[ReD`RubY]

Would be nice to get this updated. was /r in a new thread and i Linked to this one. But the new heros isn't here and some skills are reworked