Is war beast useless?

[Griddler]

I understand he can jungle like nobody's business w just an abyssal skull, I do this.

My beef is that when you come out of the jungle rawring and ready to pwn you are completely reliant on someone to slow down enemies for you to be able to kill them before they get to their damned base.

What normally happens is:

1. see enemy hero.
2. Attack enemy hero.
3. Enemy retreats.
4. Chase enemy getting blocked by your own dogs half the time.
5. Enemy reaches tower/base at 20-25% hp and lols.
6. You run real fast back to your own tower and QQ.

Running fast to keep up with people is much worse than slow because:
1. You end up reaching their safety zone tower/base.
2. You don't allow any teammates to keep up or catch up.

Given this problem with a hero based on keeping up w people via speed buffs rather than slows, his damage needs to be ridiculous or he needs someone to hump his leg and slow things for him.

Thing is from what I can tell his damage is no better than most agil chars. It may be top notch for a str, but big whoop?

It feels like you basically need arachna to run beside you and slow things for you, but arachna can own **** by herself anyways and doesn't need you there for any particular reason ><

warbeast - is he useless?

[elevator13]

Short answer: no.

Long answer: he is the best jungler in the game, surpassing Lego and Tempest. Good micro of hounds allows you to creepstack very early game. For gank problems, your ulti gives both you and controlled units max unslowable movespeed; chainstun with Minotaurs or get a Catman for his slow, surround the enemy and beat his face in. Alternatively, you could invest in a Stormspirit. Even though Beast has no scaling carry abilities, dominated creeps + your aura + Battle Cry compensates mid-game, and by late-game you should be farmed well enough that it won't matter.

[Goonik]

Top post is correct. I went warbeast and jungled. Even though it was my FIRST time jungling and i was maybe 2 levels before everyone. I outfarmed most of them and i carried the game mid-end game with my kongor kills and gold from neutrals. So to sum it up. No warbeast is not useless and can be effective in noob hands as long as they arent stupid.

[Babycakes]

War Beast is completely useless

If you're bad at HoN

[ForumTroll]

No hero in the game is useless, but there are useless players.

[arcainic]

how do you manage to jungle before lvl 5? i get my face raped in if i jungle before that.

[Endweaver]

above post kinda makes sense, its hard to junlge mad below lvl 6... How did you do it without getting creep-raped?

[Sukari]

Warbeast, useless? What..?

Warbeast, which is the Lycanthrope port from DotA, is one of the most well known game-breakers (turners or whatever) out there! Be it, EM or Non-EM, he's a hard carrier.

Yes, he's a hardcore jungler, and in reply to:


how do you manage to jungle before lvl 5? i get my face raped in if i jungle before that.

Are you using your dogs to tank + have you got Abyssal Skull (Vlads)?

Anyway moving on, in regards to the OP saying that he gets blocked by his own dogs, isn't that kind of lol on your half? If it's that bad, get Enchanted Marchers (phase), especially since they changed/improved the new ones!

The fact of the matter is, you're farming and you're farming hard until you're reading to carry. But of course that means you'll need a reliable team.

Perhaps this is why people wouldn't pick him as much in pubs.. ever notice that?

[Murlox]

I'm pretty sure he doesn't have abyssal skull at level 1

[Yoncore]

Hands down best jungler in the game.
He needs sange and bkb (don't get yasha). Get a RoB but dont make vlads (get a helm of dom). gank when ults up and hope the other 4 on ur team all have slows/disables. then he can become a complete mennace but yeah it depends on what else is on your team..

[SteveNick]

Warbeast is pretty simplistic.

You press Q, you press W, you press R, then you point him at the enemy.

You're right in that he can't solo kill people unless they choose to fight back, but disabling and slowing people isn't his role. His role is to do damage during team fights, and he's one of the best at this role.

If you catch someone in the wrong position, and use your ult, you may even take out a few casters solo before they can get help/get to their base.

His ultimate is also one of the best escape skills in the game.

[Mioggle]

Warbeast is a beast AS LONG AS your team is reliable and has stunners, slowers etc.

I play him as the second one to get in a clash. One of your teammates stuns the opponents, kill the casters first. If you have and Abyssal Skull and Insanitarius that wont even take 2-3 seconds per opponent, especially a caster.

[Yoncore]

Have they fixed his ult or can you still get slowed with it on?

[Brullig]

Warbeast is fantastic in Legion top/Hell bottom for shutting down an enemy Tempest (or Legion/Zephyr, too, but Tempest is usually the most dangerous) jungler. Buy a set of wards, then use your summons to stop spawns as well, and that's 4 camps they're not getting for the first couple minutes of the game.

Edit: And yes, his ult is fixed (as is Haste rune)

[Tyrando]

Never use your dogs for hero kills unless you can Micro like a pro, by that i mean you use them to block your opponent rather than yourself.

[Griddler]

I'm pretty sure most of these responses only read thread title considering the very first thing I said was:


I understand he can jungle like nobody's business w just an abyssal skull, I do this.

So thanks for telling me he's pro jungler.

This does not change the fact that if nobody slows for you you can't do ****.

You farm the crap out of him, come out of jungle RAWRing and people just run away form you for the lulz, or focus you down in team fight until u ult and run back to base (#1 use for his ult).

[ForumTroll]

so you get a hack or a brutalizer and rip them to shreds.

[dreamex]

I'm pretty sure most of these responses only read thread title considering the very first thing I said was:



So thanks for telling me he's pro jungler.

This does not change the fact that if nobody slows for you you can't do ****.

You farm the crap out of him, come out of jungle RAWRing and people just run away form you for the lulz, or focus you down in team fight until u ult and run back to base (#1 use for his ult).

So basically your complaint is that Warbeast isn't a pubstar so therefore he is useless?

I think Scout or Night Hound may be better choices for your playstyle.

[Griddler]

My point is what is he for?

His gimmick is using movement speed to stay in range of enemies which is just bad because 1) they get to their base quicker than if you were slowing them reducing your time to dps, and 2) you will be the only one hitting them since the rest of your team won't catch up to you.

He's supposed to be some kind of carry but seems strictly inferior to just about any other carry there is because his gimmick is bad. Sure he jungles well but lots of heroes can do that (runed axe lulz). He is a 1 trick pony: damage; and he doesnt do it any better than most melee agi carries who come with much higher utility.

[dreamex]

My point is what is he for?

His gimmick is using movement speed to stay in range of enemies which is just bad because 1) they get to their base quicker than if you were slowing them reducing your time to dps, and 2) you will be the only one hitting them since the rest of your team won't catch up to you.

He's supposed to be some kind of carry but seems strictly inferior to just about any other carry there is because his gimmick is bad. Sure he jungles well but lots of heroes can do that (runed axe lulz). He is a 1 trick pony: damage; and he doesnt do it any better than most melee agi carries who come with much higher utility.

1. He has the fastest gold acceleration in the game.
2. He's an implicit threat for a level 7 Kongor as long as he's in the game.
3. He has the fastest BAT and un-slowable max movespeed with his ulti.
4. He has a free scaling 25% Base Damage and 25 Attack Speed passive as well as a midgame breaking +44 damage to his team.

He is one of the most damaging carries because he is not reliant on babysitting early and scales incredibly well with items while having a huge presence to push and gank.

For comparison's sake, at level 11 with just Phase Boots and his ultimate:

War Beast attacks at a rate of: 1.36 / second, striking for 126.1 with a 30% chance to do 1.5x damage (15% more damage on average), for a final DPS of 197.25

Madman attacks at a rate of: 1.53 / second, striking for 88.5 with a 28% chance to do 2x damage (28% more damage on average), for a final DPS of 173.31

Of course, the scaling will vary as Madman's ultimate improves his attack speed he will scale better with damage items, while War Beast's ultimate improves his BAT he will scale better with attack speed. Similarly War Beast also gets passive Damage and Crit as well as a flat damage buff, while Madman only has a higher % Crit.

This isn't designed to say that War Beast is better than Madman, Madman's a very good carry, it's to show that from a damage output perspective, particularly around midgame, War Beast will far begin to outscale Madman (especially once you start leveling Howl, which you won't get to do at level 11) and since War Beast gets here faster than every other hero, he'll begin to hopefully, parlay his midgame dominance into endgame dominance by virtue of having more and better items.

His limitations are that he is not a strong solo hero but when you are comparing damage outputs he is very close to the top without any of the common early game weaknesses that are normally displayed by carries.

(btw, your team has to be swinging for 122 base damage before Andromeda's 36% damage aura out-scales War Beast's +44 Damage in team benefit, using madman's base 55 damage he would need another 67 Agi before the outscale would happen)

[Mioggle]

I played a game with a friend with him using Tempest and me using Warbeast. I already had howl at level 4. He went in and blinked in against 4 opponents, used his ulti. I went in next, Ulti'd, used howl with wolves and turning Insanitarius on. I really felt sorry for the other team when it was all done.

[ForumTroll]

All I know is the global + damage buff is sex if you're a heavy hitter like hammerstorm.

[archkyle]

war beat's job is to jungle until lvl 16 buy hack (HnS if you got the extra cash but you dont need the extra move speed)+ whispering helm + enchanted marchers + shrunken head + warpcleft then come running at anyone who tries to farm. short cd on ult makes for easy harrass and chasing down runners.

and yes you CAN get the above items by lvl 16 (minus full HnS)

so no, not useless... he is a team carry, not a solo carry...

ppl seem to think carries HAVE to be able to solo teams by lvl 25

but teams run from a WB with ult and SH active, cant stop him. for 15 seconds WB is the scariest thing alive.

[JohnnySmash]

Doesn't his ult give you and your dogs max movement speed? Never played him but that would seem useful...

[ILL]

No slow?
Farm Skadi.

No stun?
Get a basher.

PCE.

[sneakysob]

Yes.

[Isin]

and yes you CAN get the above items by lvl 16 (minus full HnS)

Are you kidding? You can get full H&S and a MoB as well by level 16 if you play well.

[Drasha]

Are you kidding? You can get full H&S and a MoB as well by level 16 if you play well.
You only need the hack portion don't waste your gold on the slash half unless you are out of slots and have a crap ton of gold.

[_PINK]

I was thinking about this recently as well.

I have to say, War Beast "Feels" much weaker than Lycan. Why? I have no idea, I have yet to be able to put my finger on it exactly. Maybe it's the limited hero selection or the pathing style in HoN, I don't know.

It is my firm belief that War Beast is one of the heroes that needs a hand or two in the current hero-balance of HoN.



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Didn't Lycan's wolves have a bash? I never played dota, but was looking for a Lycan guide and it seemed to indicate this. Anyways, if this is the case, it would have made chasing significantly easier.

[Jake]

Didn't Lycan's wolves have a bash? I never played dota, but was looking for a Lycan guide and it seemed to indicate this. Anyways, if this is the case, it would have made chasing significantly easier.
They had but Icefrog removed it some patches ago.

Lycan is a BEAST but this war beast is just a lazy dog. It feels like the same way as int casters are better here than in dota.

[Apokrylis]

War Beast is awesome, imo. When I play him, I use him as a tower killer. My build is 2 Fortified Bracelets, Abyssal Skull, Steamboots (Or Enhanced Marchers, depending on situation), Shrunken Head. Rest of the build is a suit to taste thing.

With the Shrunken Head and his ult, you can push a lane as far as you please. Trouble comes, pop ult, pop Head, and run like hell. If your team is running a good distraction, you can tear the enemy base apart.

It takes a good bit of farming to get all this, but once you get it, the enemy base is yours for dinner really. =)

That's just how I play him. I played Lycan the same way in DotA and it's ool to see that the build still works here.

[KingEmblem]

I'm thinking he might be viable now with the Brutalizer buff and the new Charged Hammer. A Shrunken Head is probably still core, of course. But you'll at least punish them for attacking you with Charged on since they can't use spells on you.

The main problem with War Beast is all his viable/smart builds have no damage. The critical strike in ultimate form really needs a buff.

[SpEks]

I've always tried to form a pack when I play Lycan (War Beast) in DOtA, using HotD (Whispering Helm in HoN), I find that getting it early and getting a stun creep actually gives you some presence early-mid game (where disables hurt alot) and means you can occasionally help your allies gank and not rely on the them COMPLETELY to stun/slow. It's also awesome if you can keep on stacking up on Dominated creeps (3 Minotaurs or 2 Minotaurs + a Skeleton King), but on the flip side, AoE >>> Dominated creeps. My build is Ring of the Teacher, a Bracer, Whispering helm, Steam Boots, Shrunken Head, Spiked Mace (MKB equivalent), then either Symbol of Rage or Behemoth's Heart. That being said, I've still get to work on my jungling at level 1 with War Beast, the faster I can get Dominated creeps, the better. (I'm not saying the Abyssal Skill + Shieldbreaker route is bad, I've used its counterparts in DotA as well, I just prefer having more 'presence' with stun/slow creeps, that's all.)

IMO War Beast IS a good carry, you just need the right team to help you out and you need to take advantage of his good jungling capabilities. I learned that the best counter to our hellhound friend is Valkyrie's ulti... :/
(Gonna eat you all! :D Where did everybody go? WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DIDN'T BRING DUST? :mad:)

I wouldn't be against a small buff to his critical strike,though. :p

[Puchi]

Imo he is a strong tank/ganker i get loads of tank items and get immortal ;)

end game items usually looks like this:
Behemoth's
Steamboots
Deamonic breastplate
vlademirs
Basher

I usually farm jungle from lvl 3 i start off with 2 pretenders crowns 2 blights and 1 mana pot, i try to get some get some lasthits before lvl 3 so i can get loggers hatchet before i go into the wood.

I have tryed goin wood from lvl 1 but i havn't nailed the micro yet.

[CronoDroid]

The OP is useless.

I can't believe he would post the things he's posted, it's just dumb. They're called ganks, right? GANG KILL. He's complaining that War Beast isn't uber and can't solo heroes "because they can run and War Beast can't slow". Well if it was that simple to gank, we wouldn't have to use teamwork would we?

Maybe he's playing 1v1 and the enemy is Pestilence who uses flight to run away or something. I just don't understand how someone can be that clueless.

This is someone I would add to my ban list from the thread alone. He obviously has no concept of teamwork AND his stats stink. No wonder! I'm guessing the OP runs in first and autoattacks the enemy, the enemy runs and he chases while the rest of the team is following going "YOU NOOB WHY DID YOU GO FIRST?! LET ME STUN HIM!!!"

Okay I'll stop being mean and give some advice rather than not reading the thread and posting crap about how large my e-peen is because I can buy some items on War Beast.

Step 1. DON'T initiate. Let your team do it, stun or slow, then you run in and kill them. It's called a gank for a reason, stop trying to solo people.

Step 2. Kill the enemy.

I don't see how this is hard to understand.

[Puchi]

idd Cronodroid :@

[Affinity_]

If your wolves are block you, left click on them then right click on another spot...

Lycanthrope (War beast) is not only an amazing chaser, he has some of the best mid game damage output and is great for ganking. His wolves, if you're super pro, can block enemy heroes from running while you wail on them. His damage buff is insane for midgame ganks, and his attack speed buff helps out all game. He's not bad with a basher if you've farmed well.

[dreamex]

The OP is useless.

I can't believe he would post the things he's posted, it's just dumb. They're called ganks, right? GANG KILL. He's complaining that War Beast isn't uber and can't solo heroes "because they can run and War Beast can't slow". Well if it was that simple to gank, we wouldn't have to use teamwork would we?

Maybe he's playing 1v1 and the enemy is Pestilence who uses flight to run away or something. I just don't understand how someone can be that clueless.

This is someone I would add to my ban list from the thread alone. He obviously has no concept of teamwork AND his stats stink. No wonder! I'm guessing the OP runs in first and autoattacks the enemy, the enemy runs and he chases while the rest of the team is following going "YOU NOOB WHY DID YOU GO FIRST?! LET ME STUN HIM!!!"

Okay I'll stop being mean and give some advice rather than not reading the thread and posting crap about how large my e-peen is because I can buy some items on War Beast.

Step 1. DON'T initiate. Let your team do it, stun or slow, then you run in and kill them. It's called a gank for a reason, stop trying to solo people.

Step 2. Kill the enemy.

I don't see how this is hard to understand.

Some people haven't played DotA and have only played public level HoN.

I'd hardly consider those types of games ripe with good teamwork or orchestrated ganks, so to many players who don't understand the nuances of this game they may not immediately see individual value in certain heroes who are more team reliant.

I think the OP is commendable for at least being open to advice and discussion about a hero rather than being adamant that he/she is useless. This topic was started as a discussion and the OP was posing questions to the community for help.

[UberBahamut]

I think it was said perfectly earlier....If you are having problems chaseing some1 down when u have max move speed (thats another point but nvm)

GET FROSTWOLF SKULL! Or if you can't farm up that amazing item (it freaking well is) get Hack & Slash.

Your attack speed is more then enough for it to proc at least once, and with your insane dmg its all gravy!

[Lee_K]

u seem to have only played in pubs tbh. you think of carrys like arachna when they jump out rawring and kill 1 target where as in a big team fight, arachna with a sheild breaker & wingbow in one team, a warbeast with a shrunken head & sheildbreaker in the other, who will be more useful ?

[XxByakuyaxX1]

omg lol war beast is useless. lol such a noob.
He got uber high dmg and will own most hero in 1v1. The only thing is pubs dont know how to use it, I've seen heaps of useless warbeast but once he's in my hand it's just deadly.
Summon wolves, 2 skill, turn on ulti, right click on their hero (preferably 1v1) and then sit back and enjoy your coke.
Item: just get dmg item, crit or shrunken head
Max wolves first then 2nd skill, 1 lvl of ulti is enough, at lvl 10 you will be able to solo most heroes.
Easy aint it?

[gregrthenson]

war beast was the first char i really liked to play when i started... i just liked his ult and all the buffs to damage and attack speed... plus two dogs?... i'm in...

jungling can be done from lvl one... though sometimes you get a bad break on creeps and it's harder... but all the yellow plus a few of the orange creeps mobs are downable at lvl 1... i usually start with ring of the teacher and 2 mana pots... that way you can summon your hounds over and over again to tank for you... btw at lvl 1 it will take you enough time to get through 2 mobs that they respawn again as you get to the third

as far as ganking goes it's easier to micro your dogs to block them if you come from behind ... which is a great idea for a jungler... if they try to run away you already have a 3 person wall they have to walk around that you can keep extending with micro... all the while doing damage... and once mid to end game comes around you should be doing enough damage to down a char by 5-7 seconds average easily... which means with turn around time and such you dont have to do but maybe one or two micro movements before they're down...

btw... in my op (which i never played dota so i'm new to this) primal rage should be maxed before hell hounds... and by ganking stage you should have at least one in battle cry to help out your team mates with ganks... if they're around...

as far as whispering helm goes... if i find myself using it (which i do sometimes) i usually go for 2 minotaurs with the aoe stun and the attack speed aura (that used to stack i'm not sure now) and one wolf commander with his damage aura... by my end game gear i was doing 2 point something per second and a hell of a lot of damage...


laugh at this if you want but it's worked for me

start:
ring of the teacher
2 mana pots

then i go in this order usually

Abyssal Skull
eldars parasite
steam boots
behemoth heart
hack n slash
brutalizer

interchangeables due to opponent and game type for me are

runed axe
sheild breaker
geometer's bane
astrolab


bassically with my life steal combined with the large damage i do combined with the large ammount of life... it takes a bit to drop me (as long as i'm doing damage)


idk this is just what i think... you have to know the char and know what you're going to do with him to make him worthwhile... and usually it's only for if you know you have a team that can handle 2 single lanes and one double... other wise your SOL... and always remember a jungler is a ganker from lvl 1... if the enemy drops to far in and takes some damage and you're there... hop in and do some more and possibly finish them off for a quick xp & gold boost... remember though that your dogs do give xp like normal creeps so be cautious about sending them off to just die at the hands of your enemy... they're great for harrassing in early game to keep enemies back and away from deny'n and last hitting but dont let them get killed or you're just giving them back what you took away

[Heliotic]

War beast is not a great hero. His utli has been nerfed compared to dota.

But he;s not bad. The trick is in super farming and whispering helm. If you can creep commando with some dominated minotaurs, you have a chain stun, plus you can farm really fast. He can also farm up mock of brilliance really quickly, and tank out with other items like heart.

If at 30 minutes you come out of the jungle with like mock (Or other big damage item), helm, boots, heart (or other big strength item)+ a defensive item (I don;t like shrunken head that much as you are the team tank so I try to attract disables, but it's pretty damn good) afterr having participated in some good ganks on the lane next to jungle earlier, you're not bad.

[`aNarchy]

Not a useless hero at all. A great jungle/carry hero, and if you're not comfortable with jungling you can max his passive and buff skill for you and your lane mate. You can get lvl 1 wolves for this to pull creep camps/keep an eye out in the woods/river. War Beast is a very useful hero throughout the game if played as such.

[VortexMagus]

War beast is terrible, sort of like zephyr is.

If you allow the game to progress into x situation, then he becomes an unstoppable machine, where x is something like "allow war beast to farm for 40 minutes unopposed unganked with his base untouched"

Until then he's a mediocre tank, with no disables and no utility during team fights, just mediocre damage buffs and some hp.

Its not that war beast is 'bad' so much that there's almost always a better choice for the role that he plays in a game, such as kraken or pestilence. He's not a strong competitive pick nor will he ever be in present incarnation, unless they nerf every other hero in the game beyond belief.

[Dustbin]

I prefer zephyr, just as fast farm with large magic dps/evasion/leap.

[facers]

Warbeast is a god. I just wish people (stridah) would understand the potential he has.

[Glorify1]

Warbeast is a god. I just wish people (stridah) would understand the potential he has.

No he sucks.

[Darth_SHAKER]

I'm the only one who thinks that his summon spell is too weak?

I dont' know if its because the armor or the life, but the hellhounds , even on higgest levels, die easy, even against creeps.

[Tbakez]

He could use a buff.

[Kitad1]

u seem to have only played in pubs tbh. you think of carrys like arachna when they jump out rawring and kill 1 target where as in a big team fight, arachna with a sheild breaker & wingbow in one team, a warbeast with a shrunken head & sheildbreaker in the other, who will be more useful ?


that scenario is dumb because warbeast will farm 3 times faster than arachna

[Steend]

My warbeast build that works a good amount of the time if i farm right is
vlads
enchanted marchers
hacknslash
brutalizer
and shrunken head

[facers]

Vlads
Treads
Bkb
Deso
You are now set to rip people apart. I usually farm this under 30 minutes in pubs but I have yet to use warbeast in scrims because of my teammates' very strong opinions of this hero.

[DemiKid123]

He is not useless if you know how to use him.
He is fast.
He is kinda tank.
He is strong.

Get : Brutalizer
Enchanted Marchers
Shrunken head
Helm of the Legion
Insanitarius

[LightRain]

Armlet of Morrigan = Insanitarius

[sneakysob]

Yes.


No he sucks.

This.

[Minaxter]

In ulti form he looks like a crappy pig, nothing on the purple wolf. therefore he is useless as he is not pretty.

[DemiKid123]

Armlet of Morrigan = Insanitarius

Thanks for telling me.

[Lethe]

do you know how many war beast players can't even farm properly?

No wonder people seem to think he is so weak. Now granted he isn't a high tier hero, but people make him seem alot worse then he actually is just because they play him like ****.

[Bobdoyle]

Brutalizer+Frostwolf Helm and you'll solve all his weaknesses and dont say he has trouble farming them because he does not

[zhatan]

For some reason Warbeast seems alot weaker then lycan in dota. Why is that?

The wolves missing bash seem like one of the things but thats usually not what makes him the monster carry he becomes in dota if allowed to farm. Something must be diffrent here, I just cant put my finger on it.

[Eizyark]

quick reply to your problem, and i swear it's really a easy solution.

cranium basher + deso = gg.

if your still having problems, make a bkb and S&Y. tada! i mean seriously, easiest to farm on so money shouldn't be a issue.

[Eizyark]

For some reason Warbeast seems alot weaker then lycan in dota. Why is that?

The wolves missing bash seem like one of the things but thats usually not what makes him the monster carry he becomes in dota if allowed to farm. Something must be diffrent here, I just cant put my finger on it.


actually even in dota they removed the bash from the wolves. i actually don't see a difference in dota and here in hon. he is still a insane carry :) they didn't change anything with warbeast.

[gregrthenson]

just curious... why would you forgo Steam boots and go for inhanced marchers on war beast?... especially with your ult at lvl 3?... i personally think inhanced marchers on most chars is a good idea but definately not on WB...

[laycast]

he sucks

[Kitad1]

he isn't a top pick, but he doesn't suck

though in newbie levels, you can just pick up and learn him and not suck at it(like you could with other more straightforward heroes) as it has a special way to play, you gotta farm, that's your strength, the best farming in the game

[Lee_K]

I don;t like shrunken head that much as you are the team tank

wrong

[Ubiquity111]

Hands down best jungler in the game.
He needs sange and bkb (don't get yasha). Get a RoB but dont make vlads (get a helm of dom). gank when ults up and hope the other 4 on ur team all have slows/disables. then he can become a complete mennace but yeah it depends on what else is on your team..

what's a vlads ?
whats a sange ?
what's a yasha ?

(sry... I play hon, never played DoTa)

why not grab totem of kuldra ppl dont generally run unless they're getting low on health or your pals are closing in, either way, totem of kuldra = dead enemy right ?

[dreamex]

what's a vlads ?
whats a sange ?
what's a yasha ?

(sry... I play hon, never played DoTa)

why not grab totem of kuldra ppl dont generally run unless they're getting low on health or your pals are closing in, either way, totem of kuldra = dead enemy right ?

Your job isn't to disable and solo an enemy.

Your job is to kill their team while your team disables them.

[LightRain]

s+y = hack+slash
vlads = abyssal skull irrc. (the lifesteal aura)

[V0ldemort1]

omg lol war beast is useless. lol such a noob.
He got uber high dmg and will own most hero in 1v1. The only thing is pubs dont know how to use it, I've seen heaps of useless warbeast but once he's in my hand it's just deadly.
Summon wolves, 2 skill, turn on ulti, right click on their hero (preferably 1v1) and then sit back and enjoy your coke.
Item: just get dmg item, crit or shrunken head
Max wolves first then 2nd skill, 1 lvl of ulti is enough, at lvl 10 you will be able to solo most heroes.
Easy aint it?

Yes and then what happens when they blink away / disable you and run?
War beast can do HUGE damage but he needs items such as Frostwolf to help him get hits in. Or he needs teammates to help. He has great chasing power but against a disabler/blinker he can't catch up.

I'd say a warbeast with frostwolf and brutalizer would be good

[Lethe]

actually even in dota they removed the bash from the wolves. i actually don't see a difference in dota and here in hon. he is still a insane carry :) they didn't change anything with warbeast.

although the numbers are identical something still doesn't seem quite right.

He just feels more "sluggish" then lycan did. Mb attack animation or something while in lieutenant form.

[KaliKot]

You guys wanna know why Warbeast sucks compared to Lycan who was being banned just a few versions ago in comps?

PATHING