2.0.24.1 Patch Notes

[Idejder]

Download link: http://dl.heroesofnewerth.com/HoNClient-2.0.24.exe

Version 2.0.24.1
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- Fixed resetting keybinds

Version 2.0.24
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- Fixed a stringtable error with :engi: Engineer's Spider Mines
- Fixed a cosmetic shop model that was missing
- Fixed Nomad's third level of Sandstorm giving 1500% movespeed
- Updated the icon for Rosie Engineer

Version 2.0.23
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- Fixed the Zzz above creeps for player controlled units
- Vagabond Leader,Minotaur, and Catman Champion now no longer use abilities against Magic Immune units


== Items ==

- Token of Life duration lowered from 10 minutes to 7 minutes
* Kongor's respawn time is still 10 minutes

- :BastardSword:Bastard Sword removed from the game
- :Halberd:Halberd removed from the game
- :FortifiedBracelet:Fortified Bracelet renamed to Fortified Bracer
- :TalismanOfExile:Talisman of Exile renamed to Amulet of Exile
- :GreatArcana:Great Arcana renamed to Arcana

:AssassinShroud:Assassin's Shroud
- Fixed a tiny bug where if you had a high enough attackspeed you can proc Shroud bonus damage more than once on the same Shroud state.
- :BastardSword:Bastard Sword replaced with a :Broadsword: Broadsword
- Recipe cost increased by 200

:Brutalizer:Brutalizer
- Old:
* :BolsteringArmband:Bolstering Armband, :Halberd:Halberd, 1150 Recipe
* +6 Str, +30 Damage, Bash
- New:
* :MightyBlade:Mighty Blade, :Quickblade:Quickblade, 1100 Recipe
* +10 Str, +10 Agi, +20 Damage, Bash

:RunedAxe:Runed Axe
- Renamed to Runed Cleaver
- :BastardSword:Bastard Sword replaced with a :Broadsword:Broadsword
- Damage lowered from 65 to 55

:SavageMace:Savage Mace
- Old:
* :Halberd:Halberd, :Halberd:Halberd, :Slayer:Slayer
- New:
* :Warhammer:Warhammer, :Warhammer:Warhammer, :Slayer:Slayer

:Slayer:Slayer
- Cost lowered from 2400 to 2200


== Heroes ==

- Added a new Agility hero: Nomad
- Added a new Alt Avatar: Nomaddin
- Added a new Alt Avatar: Rosie Engineer

Empath
- Essence Link fixed so it links correctly when the person she is inside is moving very quickly
- Made the detection if the target becomes invulnerable better

:engi: Engineer
- Push from Turret increased by ~20%
- Damage from Energy Field changed from % based to 28/58/88 per second to all units inside
- Tinker removed. Replaced with Spider Mines
- Spider Mines
* 7 second cooldown, 90/100/110/120 Manacost
* Activate to consume one charge to place a Spider Mine at your location. Up to 9 may be placed at one time, each dealing 150/200/250/300 Magic Damage.
* Up to 1/2/2/3 charges may be stored, refreshing every 30 seconds
* Spider mines are stealthed and appear when an enemy comes near them, chasing them until contact.

:fayd: Fayde
- Fixed illusions from switching targets if the target becomes invulnerable
- Improved the server performance of her stances and illusions

:fors: Forsaken Archer
- Fixed an exploit with effects and Crippling Volley

:poll: Pollywog Priest
- Made the target animate properly after finishing Tongue Tied

:pred: Predator
- Made damage on Carnivorous be nonlethal
* Fixes Predator killing enemy units when he shouldn't be

:ramp: Rampage
- Fixed Stampede's projectile going through invulnerability

:scou: Scout
- Fixed Electric Eye so that if you use Detonate on the Eye, then it will put Scout's Detonate ability on cooldown
- The silence will no longer hit mechanical units

:slit: Slither
- Altered the effects of Poison Spray to fix it shooting off in the wrong direction

:succ: Succubus
- Fixed the dual-red wings so it moves with the target if the target is pushed

:valk: Valkyrie
- Frost modifier priority changed to fix issues in a real game with her projectile being invisible

[Sephrimoth]

Yaya patch hope new hero is good :D

[Muxas]

yay patch

- Bastard Sword removed from the game
- Halberd removed from the game

holy crap

[Squallz]

gg engi

[LonJAXsoN]

holy crap...........

[HahaYouDied]

At first, I was like, wow big change, April Fools come late?

Then I was like WOWOWOWOWOOWOWWWOWWOWOWWOOWO

and wasnt nomad a never-finished hero from like, old old beta days?

[Mr_Fisterzzz]

What happened to my first post? D:

[klejf]

now shieldbreaker needs some attention!

great changes there

[giully]

savage mace will still have the 100 bonus damage right?

[Kluigdon]

ENGINEER!"!!!!!!

[Grootie]

Matchmaking offline? =C

[Rattfylla]

Finally, spider mines!!!

[Vegetto]

omg spider mines

[UnholyHero]

Omg techies got semi ported.

[Memosyme]

wow nice
like the renamed items

[noobscoutKS]

****ING TECHIEEEEEEEEEEEEES
i ****ing love you s2

[Thysios]

:) :)

[Wootshi]

Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome: Teemo, the Swift Scout.
Also, i like what u did with items.

[zOle`]

great, but when will be a Latvian Flag omh really S2 cmon :@

[BattleHungeR]

Woho

[Shinryuken]

nice

[Subject16]

http://adamisbjorn.blogg.se/images/2009/awesome5b15d_39901403.jpg

[NrFive]

hmm... those spider mines are gonna piss ppl off :)

Also... more free wards using the mines? omg?

[Moonear]

First page? Awesome patch.

[Tedde]

Brutalizer viable? :D

[Interfector]

NOMAD!

[Pro]

Ninjabuffing doombringer all the time :D
wasn't old doombringer 3800+2400 = 6200?
Now its 3400+2200 = 5600 :D

[AnaL]

aaaaaaawe shiiiiiieeet you may have kept me here past dota2 with the spidermines.

[Rubidxx]

alrighie my post got deleted, but anyway could you post a dl link to the new client, or update the dl client here: http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/download.php since i cant update, it crashes. and i forgot whats after dl.heroesofnewerth.com

[ubxp]

oi give me my items back i want new things not for you to take them away.

[C00LBeans]

Ehm ok trying to update but it crashes when the white loading bar appears after it successfully downloads the patch.

[Pseudologic]

It has mines it is techies.
Shut up.
There was bound to be a hero with mines some day. He is still northing like techies...

Can't wait to test this patch out.

[SAFAD]

2nd page

[bswhunter]

Cool patch, ninja HB nerf, cool new hero.
Oh and a sexy new basher!

Oh

FIRST PAGE MOTHER****ERS!

[Flandre]

How can spider mines be balanced? Walk into woods from your lane, place 3 charges. Wait a bit. Put down another 1-2 charges.

Anyone who walks there will die due to 1200-1500 unavoidable damage?

[IamJuDGe]

inb4 engineer nerf.

[Vahn]

alrighie my post got deleted, but anyway could you post a dl link to the new client, or update the dl client here: http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/download.php since i cant update, it crashes. and i forgot whats after dl.heroesofnewerth.com

http://dl.heroesofnewerth.com/HoNClient-2.0.23.exe

[Rubidxx]

tyvm.

[NoskillzNils]

finnaly brutalizer rework

[Daggers]

How can spider mines be balanced? Walk into woods from your lane, place 3 charges. Wait a bit. Put down another 1-2 charges.

Anyone who walks there will die due to 1200-1500 unavoidable damage?


Think of it this way, spider mines will deal damage based on time invested and placing. You place 3, then wait 30s x2, So thats one minute spent. Give another hero one minute to wack away at someone and they'll deal a hefty amount of damage aswell.

[Fatalus]

I don't know if that's the case in MMR and public games, but in practice mode level 3 of Sandstorm grants +1500% movement speed. If that is true for said MMR and public, it probably needs a hotfix.

[Vurtnex]

With this patch for me, hon dead. S2g you out there that brain cancer.

p.s. Went to delete ****ing hon

[Flandre]

Think of it this way, spider mines will deal damage based on time invested and placing. You place 3, then wait 30s x2, So thats one minute spent. Give another hero one minute to wack away at someone and they'll deal a hefty amount of damage aswell.
This is true, but you are forgetting engineer himself can still fight with keg, turret, ult and auto attack.

[fredster]

energy field still says % tho

[Mendrane]

Engi is gonna get mass picked now

[Vurtnex]

I can not believe this ****ing

[Xempler]

I don't know if that's the case in MMR and public games, but in practice mode level 3 of Sandstorm grants +1500% movement speed. If that is true for said MMR and public, it probably needs a hotfix.

Doesn't really matter as MS is capped at 522ms if I remember correctly.

[Mur`gul]

just get barbed amor, run over mines (hear them activate - you still have ~.5 seconds to react) and see engineer BLEED

[Rattfylla]

Cool patch, ninja HB nerf
Care to elaborate?



FIRST PAGE MOTHER****ERS!

More like second page. Nice try though.

[Fatalus]

Doesn't really matter as MS is capped at 522ms if I remember correctly.

I'm not exactly sure you would want whole team running at 522 ms in invisibility, but that might just be me.

[Yukari]

protip: Engi's win rate is about to plummet

[Avatar]

The time has come:

You may now officially sit your lanes like fukc if engineer is in the game.

GJ s2.

[SgtFailure]

However, Engineer is now earlygame more then lategame. I would like to see the mines as mixed damage thou :/ This is bound to get overpowered in pubs...

[Mur`gul]

I don't know if that's the case in MMR and public games, but in practice mode level 3 of Sandstorm grants +1500% movement speed. If that is true for said MMR and public, it probably needs a hotfix.

also, practise mode produces weird mechanics sometimes, that are exclusive to that mode.

[Teboga]

I can't play the game now, but are the mines dmg AoE? I mean they'll follow one target, but the damage is AoE if, when they explode, there are enemy heroes or creeps nearby right or wrong?

[Hellii]

- Bastard Sword removed from the game
- Halberd removed from the game

Thought it was S2 trolling again..

[Soblane]

what the **** is this ****?

[dr_wurst]

>Fixes Predator killing enemy units when he shouldn't be
I KNEW IT ALL THE TIME

[X_Raider]

Huge changes here. Im not sure if making a mine skill is good since a lot of players gonna rage.

[Cvein]

:pred: Predator
- Made damage on Carnivorous be nonlethal
* Fixes Predator killing enemy units when he shouldn't be

What does that even mean?

[Frewbags]

<3
4char

[Mur`gul]

^when pred attacked allies with puppet show (what should not be lethal) it did happen i think

[Shiverwarp]

:pred: Predator
- Made damage on Carnivorous be nonlethal
* Fixes Predator killing enemy units when he shouldn't be

What does that even mean?

It means that carnivorous was doing lethal damage. Which shouldn't be possible because it deals a percentage of their CURRENT health

[Elioss]

- Bastard Sword removed from the game
- Halberd removed from the game

Thought it was S2 trolling again..

I dont know why thy did this x-x.

[Jofarin]

I dont know why thy did this x-x.
It now is harder to guess what a hero builds if he gets parts of it. Till now it was 1-3 items that could be built from any item. Now thats up to 5 I think.

[Avatar]

less different items for the same purpose. i mean 200 golde for some minor damage... pretty useless.

does increase the overview of the shop.


/edit: that what the one above me said also, although that doesnt matter totally much, as you usually should have a plan of what you buy

[Deeleted]

NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo

fufufu

[SgtFailure]

less different items for the same purpose. i mean 200 golde for some minor damage... pretty useless.

does increase the overview of the shop.

Indeed. really like this :D

[Onkelffs]

How can spider mines be balanced? Walk into woods from your lane, place 3 charges. Wait a bit. Put down another 1-2 charges.

Anyone who walks there will die due to 1200-1500 unavoidable damage?

If we assume you go 4 lvls asap in spider mines, this will leave you at lvl 7 having 2 lvls in keg OR 1 lvl in keg and 1 lvl i push turret plus the ultimate.

This will make your lane presence laughable. Otherwise if you are randomly placing mines with your 1-2 charges, outside of the lane - you will lose XP and your opponent will have freefarm. Because some dude maybe will go over it. (Did I mention the long mana cost?)

It's also a 7 cd to place a new mine. So you are wasting 14s just standing in the same spot+the time it takes to go there. You could aim for having mines in later lvls but then people will have more HP(+magic armor), a counterward or a bound eye isn't that expensive mid/late either.

Other techniques could be puzzlebox, any summons, whispering helm etc. so someone can scout for mines.

The point: It leaves your opponent in control of the outcome, which makes this spell a high risk/high reward.

[Asrial]

Okay, you removed a damage increase and a damage-with-proc.
Inb4 adding an item with percentage based base damage increase (besides abyssal skull) and a new attack modifier!

[Pellikan]

NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo

fufufu

Techies ported, quit bro.

[Reldnahc]

A whole new world

[pakoito]

I like they removed those items as they were only used in one or two recipes.

[LonJAXsoN]

I can't play the game now, but are the mines dmg AoE? I mean they'll follow one target, but the damage is AoE if, when they explode, there are enemy heroes or creeps nearby right or wrong?

They esplode in an aoe.

[Zerillis]

One of the rare patches I dislike, wtf spiders mines I am dissapoint.

[JustinLeaver]

With this patch for me, hon dead. S2g you out there that brain cancer.

p.s. Went to delete ****ing hon

And nothing of value was lost.

[JohnnySins]

holy **** spider mines from sc1?? like that **** was dangerous yo i planted spider mines everywhere and killed a whole **** wave of zerg man this **** is OP

[PH34RST3R]

i'm so going a nomad build with basher, hi five!

[Destro]

Pretty sure this is April Fools 2.0.

[SinisterMJ]

:pred: Predator
- Made damage on Carnivorous be nonlethal
* Fixes Predator killing enemy units when he shouldn't be

What does that even mean?

Earlier Predator was able to kill his teammates when being under control of puppet show. This is now impossible. It's a slight nerf if the ability is non-lethal to normal opponents now as well, since this would mean one more hit being needed.

[Aconit]

:') Happiest day o fmy life

[Enricksolt]

Why the game crash every time i try to install this patch?

[HonStinks]

I suppose the furry engineer was meant for the people who were complaining there are too many heroes who are humans and that there should be more grotesque demons instead.

The spider mines look horrible. The legs are way too long, and poorly animated if I may say so, and the animation/movement speed ratio makes it look like they are ice skating. Speaking of legs and mines, I noticed hellbringer is still a war invalid whos legs have been blown off. They've been gone for good two years now so I suppose he is crippled for good.

The sandstorm spell has an oversight which makes it grant haste at level 3. This leads me to believe that perhaps armadon and some other random heroes not mentioned in the changelog are glitched in some obscure way, as ever before. Legionnaires charge speed was left untouched for example, even though it is customary that it is needlessly shifted around on every occasion possible.

The item change is good, although I'm still wondering where is the trophy belt that you hyped when 2.0 was tossed online. You know, back in 2010. Trophy belt wasn't involved in any community contests that you have arranged, so why is it first advertised and then thrown into a garbage can as if it would be a contest entry? While on the subject of items maybe you ought to re-invent some of the items that no one uses (Basher for example, changing the recipe doesn't make it worth buying, it is still as shitty as before, only with marginal stat bonus improvements), and perhaps even expand the current selection so that there are more than one and a half ways to build a hero.

I mean ****, I don't play this tedious grindfest anymore and I sound like a complete piece of **** complaining about it but maybe if you'd expand the gameplay a bit there would be a reason to play it. When I say expand the gameplay I don't mean enter more content that is a collection of pre-existing material slightly altered and mashed together.

[Ninaran]

Yay, no more roaming to a lane where Engi is near or get a 2700 damage nuke to the face.

[Ashitaka]

I dare you then, BoinkBot. What would YOU do?

[an2x]

i dont really understand about the item change, hope they will make a dev blog post about it, and also i think when i play practice game, engi turret vector is not working, bug or what?

[Batchman]

u just made support's life so much harder with these mines, be afraid to place wards even more

also eng op utility? technies could only place mines, eng can do everything ...

[pmkaboo]

is this 8th april joke patch?

[Alhanalem]

you got your goblin techies.

[Aerwynyo]

silly s2 remaking items. silly

[Myolden]

u just made support's life so much harder with these mines, be afraid to place wards even more

also eng op utility? technies could only place mines, eng can do everything ...
Techies had basically THREE different mines. Engie has only one type of mine. Also Techies' basic mine had a limitation of 15 mines and engie has only 9. Derp.

[Dev]

I wonder if the new Brutalizer is viable. The stats are a lot better, but it is kind of expensive. It seems like it'd work okay with Nomad though

[Berethorn]

Best patch ever.

Gj s2 <3

[Trollbogan]

Spider mines for engi... i'm disappoint...

[BloodViruS]

i cant see the area of effect of the spells (like nh smoke,engi turret,tempest ulti etc.)
Any ideas what is going on?!
if you know what i mean, the targeting circle?

[Dacaj]

runed cleaver yay

[Nonirik]

:pred: Predator
- Made damage on Carnivorous be nonlethal
* Fixes Predator killing enemy units when he shouldn't be

What does that even mean?

If puppet master uses his disable that make you attack friends, you'll not kill them anymore.. =)

[FARP23]

:pred: Predator
- Made damage on Carnivorous be nonlethal
* Fixes Predator killing enemy units when he shouldn't be

What does that even mean?

means that last hit from predator doesnt use carnivorous?

idk, plz tell me... to me: NERF :(

[ToxicMonkey]

Maybe the techies naggers will shut up now that there are mines in the game.

[Testingrani]

Looking forward for Nomad!

[Kartalov]

woo love the engi alt avatar !

How much does it cost ? Hope it isn't 6800 :/

[Passthechips]

I suppose the furry engineer was meant for the people who were complaining there are too many heroes who are humans and that there should be more grotesque demons instead.

The spider mines look horrible. The legs are way too long, and poorly animated if I may say so, and the animation/movement speed ratio makes it look like they are ice skating. Speaking of legs and mines, I noticed hellbringer is still a war invalid whos legs have been blown off. They've been gone for good two years now so I suppose he is crippled for good.

The sandstorm spell has an oversight which makes it grant haste at level 3. This leads me to believe that perhaps armadon and some other random heroes not mentioned in the changelog are glitched in some obscure way, as ever before. Legionnaires charge speed was left untouched for example, even though it is customary that it is needlessly shifted around on every occasion possible.

The item change is good, although I'm still wondering where is the trophy belt that you hyped when 2.0 was tossed online. You know, back in 2010. Trophy belt wasn't involved in any community contests that you have arranged, so why is it first advertised and then thrown into a garbage can as if it would be a contest entry? While on the subject of items maybe you ought to re-invent some of the items that no one uses (Basher for example, changing the recipe doesn't make it worth buying, it is still as shitty as before, only with marginal stat bonus improvements), and perhaps even expand the current selection so that there are more than one and a half ways to build a hero.

I mean ****, I don't play this tedious grindfest anymore and I sound like a complete piece of **** complaining about it but maybe if you'd expand the gameplay a bit there would be a reason to play it. When I say expand the gameplay I don't mean enter more content that is a collection of pre-existing material slightly altered and mashed together.


It's really not hard to understand where the Trophy Belt went. Think about it really hard. The trophy belt was supposed to help support heroes get farm. Then the patch that trophy belt was supposed to come out on, instead of getting the item we get assist gold.

Do the math.

Besides, why would you want Trophy Belt (A farming item) if you want a change from grindfest gameplay? It makes no sense.

[Dantarios]

means that last hit from predator doesnt use carnivorous?

idk, plz tell me... to me: NERF :(

It means that a :pred: controlled by :pupp:, can't kill anything.

[Pseudologic]

Patch.
Overreact.

[Cvein]

It means that carnivorous was doing lethal damage. Which shouldn't be possible because it deals a percentage of their CURRENT health

Oh yeah. That makes sense. Thanks for clearing it up :)

[daretheninja]

hard carry nomad time

[kvn]

rofl to this patch

[nuotti]

F****** MINES, WOOT!

Sucks that I only have 11" netbook atm to play :D

[NaB]

Don't like the name change on runed axe or talisman. The others are good (Everyone says "bracers"... great arcana is not necessary when theres no regular or minor arcana).

Spider mines I need to see how they play, because they sound OP as hell.

[Troglodyte]

Earlier Predator was able to kill his teammates when being under control of puppet show. This is now impossible. It's a slight nerf if the ability is non-lethal to normal opponents now as well, since this would mean one more hit being needed.

I could be totally mistaken, but I thought Predator's Carniverous actually applied before the physical damage, meaning this wouldn't change any offensive characteristics at all, but will fix Puppet Show.

If I'm wrong about the order of application, then you're right that it'll take an extra hit.

[Saekki]

Techies had basically THREE different mines. Engie has only one type of mine. Also Techies' basic mine had a limitation of 15 mines and engie has only 9. Derp.
And don't forget that Techies's mines deal 600 mixed dmg and have CD of 12s at lvl4.
Spidermines would be so much more lolwut, if the movement speed wouldn't be so high. -> //Derpus von Herpus is placing wards at rune. He gets haste and runs over the mines. The mines follow, but poor Derpus von Herpus doesn't notice that, instead he rushes to help his good friend Ragemus Maximus who is in grave danger. "Wait Ragemus, I'll save you!" yelled Derpus. "OMFG! STAY AWAY RETARD!" raged Ragemus and they both blowup in nice ol' fashion ball of fire. The end. //

[pakoito]

I think Pred's change relates to that he could do lethal damage to any creep with carnivorous, ie: neutral with 50 life, pred with 45 autoattack and the carnivorous extra damage would kill it.

[Schobbo]

runed cleaver? seriously? it doesnt even look like a cleaver, can you fail any harder?
hey lets call :SavageMace: savage hammer for no reason, since its obviously a mace but we like to change names for no reason

[Troglodyte]

I think Pred's change relates to that he could do lethal damage to any creep with carnivorous, ie: neutral with 50 life, pred with 45 autoattack and the carnivorous extra damage would kill it.

Which is fine assuming Carnivorous applies first-- the scenario I've seen, and others have cited, is Puppet Show, which let him kill allies despite damage during Puppet Show being explicitly non-lethal.

Carnivorous is supposed to be a damage buff; using it to one-shot creeps seems no more broken than :arac::andr: using their base damage aura to one-shot creeps.

[HatTrick]

damn you s2! With all these invis heroes, and now spider mines?! Are you ...encouraging the use of blue wards?


Shame on you.

[pablofsi]

Why the **** remove items from the game. Runed axe made with two broadswords? Why touch what is good?

[BasedGod420]

Cool patch, ninja HB nerf, cool new hero.
Oh and a sexy new basher!

Oh

FIRST PAGE MOTHER****ERS!
u fail hard bro:temp:

[SlowKing]

:Brutalizer:Brutalizer
- Old:
* :BolsteringArmband:Bolstering Armband, :Halberd:Halbred, 1150 Recipe
* +6 Str, +30 Damage, Bash
- New:
* :MightyBlade:Mighty Blade, :Quickblade:Quickblade, 1100 Recipe
* +10 Str, +10 Agi, +20 Damage, Bash


Halbred.

[pablofsi]

Aren't we breaking you know, the basic rule of being faithful to dota's identity? Removing these basic dota items...

[Tristero]

Halbred.

lol. I moused over the little icon to make sure they spelled it right in the game :-D

[GregerMoek]

WTF nerfing Engineer's ult. =(

[Genje]

nomad is so imbalanced... u must fix it!

[ToyuM]

V Sephrimoth is a noob who cant carry with Nomad.....
I like the changes with engi!

[Coolcollo]

I have a reason to play HoN even with multiple disconnects (server can't stay connected to my internet for a few reasons yet to be fixed) in a LONG while. I still haven't even played Tremble or Aluna (Aluna was 1 no stat casual 5v5 middle game..). Heck, I think I played Empath once.

[Sephrimoth]

lol... D:

[Nark0Punk]

no balance changes Zzzzz S2 cant add content and balance this $#!t in the same patch SIGH

[webbie]

great patch, thanks!

[Mooooo]

Everything was stupid and unnecessary besides the introduction of Nomad and the slayer's cost decrease. I just dont how removing Bastard sword and Halberd is going to balance the game more.

[Hero_of_Noob]

I wonder if S2 ever tests heroes at all instead of doing a buncha stupid imba changes. Engineer will be nerfed again, because they don't know how to be subtle about buffing heroes.

[Duey]

Damn, nice patch for the most part

Cant wait till next patch friday:

:Slayer: has been removed
:Mock: cost lowered by 400 (replacing :Slayer: in recipes)
:VoidTalisman: has been removed
:bloo: has been removed

You heard it here first folks, inc banhammer :(

jk

[HowDoIDie]

Umm just curious, my 'spider mines' dont seem to be working, i selected engineer and began to play, it would only let me cast 'spider mines' on my towers as if though it was 'tinker' yet still did not even 'tinker' my towers.... little help?

[Cashman]

:Brutalizer:Brutalizer
- Old:
* :BolsteringArmband:Bolstering Armband, :Halberd:Halbred, 1150 Recipe
* +6 Str, +30 Damage, Bash



* :BolsteringArmband:Bolstering Armband, :Halberd:Halbred, 1150 Recipe

:Halberd:Halbred, 1150 Recipe

, :Halberd:Halbred


Thought no one would notice, right?! It was an eyesore beyond imagination!

[rndmz]

The two items that were removed were just clutter.

We already have :Warhammer:, which is like :BastardSword: and :Halberd: items that just justified their place ingame because they were part of a recipe not because they were useful. Seriously who bought a :Halberd: for its pseudo-crit?

These items just used up space in the store when they had essentially the same roll as :Warhammer: just with slightly different stats.

[Kraphty]

wow techies, also brutalizer? Do you guys think it'll be useful now?

[_Scars_]

i think brutalizer is more usefull now

[Jeroz]

funny how S2 is removing items with similar stats

[Latigular]

i think brutalizer is more usefull now

wrong, no extra dmg on bash, only stun, was also nerfed

[SmashFiles]

My 2 cents...

:SavageMace:- Will it still have a chance to do +100 damage? Since the Halberd was the one with +40 damage chance.
:Doombringer:- Even cheaper. Great /sarcasm
:RunedAxe:- Less viable because less damage?
:Halberd:- Will anything take the place of its chance to hit +40?
:Brutalizer:- Just became even more viable on :mage:. Still not completely viable, but it was a nice change.
:engi:- Hollyyyy shitttttt. 300 damage each? 900 damage nuke if all place in one place? Then if noone hits it in the next minute and half, thats 1800 damage. Numbers seem a bit high, but still, a nice change for this pretty useless hero :)

Loving the update S2, haven't played yet, but from what i see, it looks great.

[MoDuZzz]

i love the way no one care about new hero and its all about new engi and items change rofl

[Kleech]

I'm pretty sure the stats stay the same, just the recipes are different.

[Lollizort]

Got to love the overpowered new skill on engi :<

[Time2Play]

WOW, nice patch!

[Duey]

My 2 cents...

:SavageMace:- Will it still have a chance to do +100 damage? Since the Halberd was the one with +40 damage chance.
:Doombringer:- Even cheaper. Great /sarcasm
:RunedAxe:- Less viable because less damage?
:Halberd:- Will anything take the place of its chance to hit +40?
:Brutalizer:- Just became even more viable on :mage:. Still not completely viable, but it was a nice change.
:engi:- Hollyyyy shitttttt. 300 damage each? 900 damage nuke if all place in one place? Then if noone hits it in the next minute and half, thats 1800 damage. Numbers seem a bit high, but still, a nice change for this pretty useless hero :)

Loving the update S2, haven't played yet, but from what i see, it looks great.

:SavageMace: Yes, of course it will still have the +100 proc
:Doombringer: -200g is next to irrelevant on this item, basically the same as it was previously balance wise.
:RunedAxe: Hardly, -10 Damage really wont be noticed imo, still really good item just SLIGHTLY less potent
:Halberd: Doubt it, it really didn't have a place other than recipe fodder. Like many have said before, did anyone really use it by itself unless they were building :SavageMace: or had one after :SavageMace: for ultra-luxury.
:Brutalizer: I welcome the change, an underused 'joke' item which got better by a good amount with this patch. I might even start using it on select heroes.
:Engi: No comment on this one yet, I'll have to play and rage at spider mines for awhile.

[NightL`]

WOW WAITING For IT !!! hehehe
and i liek the new Things Going on LOL !!

[Berethorn]

I think brutalizer might be worth it. It's pretty good stat wise (recipe gives +20 damage + bash)

[Pinkisnub]

rofl at carpet nomad hmmmmm S2 made great efforts for the copyright bypass
and nice engi alt, me like

[Kleech]

With four active skills can Engi now become the Intel character he should have been? His +Intel gains needs some help...

[DefconDove]

runed axe huge nerf. 200 gold less for 10 damage less. HUGE nerf. Apparently Scout been raping too many pub games.

[MrPrism]

Excited about this change. Brutalizer needs some changes as did Engi. I think people are overacting to these changes.

Like to see S2 making references to Starcraft though. Dark Swarm and now Spider Mines. Dark Swarm should be a skill on Defiler, though. ;)

[pakoito]

rofl at carpet nomad hmmmmm S2 made great efforts for the copyright bypass
and nice engi alt, me like
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1KTYEB10gAw/TJd3a_ZYIZI/AAAAAAAADB4/bxB4gNUVTd0/s1600/Mortadelo+y+Filem%C3%B3n+por+Iba%C3%B1ez+(disfraz+ de+%C3%A1rabe).jpg

[iPodTouch]

lol when i saw the first 2 items REMOVED, i thought it was a joke

[LudaBaba]

Yea, ENGINEER! + avatar!

[Yurixy]

Spider MINESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS FTW!!!!!!!!!!

[yzma]

*Sigh*.... Yet another agi carry, agi heroes can be other than carrys and gankers u know.

[Challycho]

I updated the patch, but now it says Login Failed: Connection Failed
HELP PLEASSE!

[SubjectX]

Another hero already? they need to chill out with the additions of new hero's...take a bit more time developing them

[DolanUSakKak]

Quitting hon now engi is techies.... good job s2 ruining the game....

[Hi]

I will now start playing HoN again.

Thank you.

[CSDragon]

Rosie's look is awesome, but HER VOICE ISN"T SCOTTISH

Why is she not Scottish? Being Scottish is what made engi a MAN, and sure, she's a woman, but take the other Scotsman in the game, Hammerstorm. Helga is Scottish, and she's incredibly awesome for it.

[Challycho]

I updated the patch, but now it says Login Failed: Connection Failed
HELP PLEASSE!

[Challycho]

I updated the patch, but now it says Login Failed: Connection Failed
HELP PLEASSE!=[

[darko]

excited about this change. Brutalizer needs some changes as did engi. I think people are overacting to these changes.

Like to see s2 making references to starcraft though. Dark swarm and now spider mines. Dark swarm should be a skill on defiler, though. ;)

aaaaaaa playguuuuuu

[Maducky]

Hi. Got a question : When will the new version be available to download ? because i can't normaly update because of K2 Exception error -.- .

[CrownOfThorn]

Spider mines...

[LudaBaba]

Yea, and in energy field says its still %.

[IamSuperman]

But why some item removed?

[X_Raider]

Hi. Got a question : When will the new version be available to download ? because i can't normaly update because of K2 Exception error -.- .

Its in the first post... -___-

[Terminology]

Frankly, I'm okay with the changes for the most part. Not sure why Runed Axe needed a nerf/name change. The item's only beneficial to farming,, really. IMO, it was all ready a fairly weak pick-up on most heroes.

What I'm happy about is the fact that it shows that S2 actually cares about the game. There are very few games out there that receive half the patching that HON does. Even compared to most MMORPGs. I used to play FFXI, stopped playing for a couple years, then came back to the EXACT same game. I permanently quit shortly thereafter. And those games have monthly subscriptions.

However, I hope that S2 will strongly consider putting the hero influx on hold in favor of another major balance patch. Recently, some heroes have been nerfed/buffed to being either OP/balanced/weak or just redundant.

With Nomad being added, perhaps (fingers crossed) S2 is trying to regain some of the original mindf***ing from back in the beta days. I miss Fayde's old ult. Even when I had no clue how to play this game and Fayde would rape entire teams. I used to find it hilarious when someone would blow their ult on a Fayde illusion and some random rager would rage at them for not knowing an illusion from the real Fayde and then get ganked one minute later when the real Fayde would waltz right up to him and he'd do nothing because "he's not dumb enough to attack her illusions."

Seriously, S2, great work, but slow down and keep to the basics that made this game what it is. I mean, you guys made a game that required no marketing beyond word of mouth.

[Specs]

Which is fine assuming Carnivorous applies first-- the scenario I've seen, and others have cited, is Puppet Show, which let him kill allies despite damage during Puppet Show being explicitly non-lethal.

Carnivorous is supposed to be a damage buff; using it to one-shot creeps seems no more broken than :arac::andr: using their base damage aura to one-shot creeps.

the pred+puppetshow interaction has been supposedly patched like twice previously too

[KingReaper]

ninjabuffs to :scout:

[Necroth]

runed cleaver? seriously? it doesnt even look like a cleaver, can you fail any harder?
hey lets call :SavageMace: savage hammer for no reason, since its obviously a mace but we like to change names for no reason

You obviously never heard of a double edged cleaver...
Good job at making yourself look like a complete idiot.
http://gearpatrol.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/fdick-double-edged-cleaver.jpg


*sigh* Fail trolls these days...

[CheshireCat]

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l264/YoghurtPics/Mineslol.jpg?t=1302290378

[takuyaki]

mac still cant download this new patch guys

[Naxemal]

Spider mine, spider mine, does what ever spider mine does.

I really like brutalizer change, but why changing name to runed cleaver? It's always been an axe :<

[Edark]

A pitty for al techies fans.

[laserburn]

FU, I want my bastard sword back!
J/K, there was a clutter of quite similar damage items in the game, this was long overdue.

Now for the real runt:
FU, why did you mess with engi?! Tower damage manipulation was an unusual skill, there was no good reason to replace it with a no-skill such as mine-laying. If you wanted Techie mine-laying, you could have saved it for some other new hero and leave engi as it is, I don't know if there is a hero in the whole game who was more times changed than engi.

[`fAntom]

if you plant all 9 mines on one location you get 2700 damage...
really guys?

[Sargentos]

Totally called that magic carpet

[dEph_]

Nice patch but show Fayde some real luvin pls? Put the illusion back on Reflection!!! That is all.

[Cord]

Savage mace is really more of a morning star, anyway. A mace doesn't have spikes on it.

[Teddy]

And don't forget that Techies's mines deal 600 mixed dmg and have CD of 12s at lvl4.
Spidermines would be so much more lolwut, if the movement speed wouldn't be so high. -> //Derpus von Herpus is placing wards at rune. He gets haste and runs over the mines. The mines follow, but poor Derpus von Herpus doesn't notice that, instead he rushes to help his good friend Ragemus Maximus who is in grave danger. "Wait Ragemus, I'll save you!" yelled Derpus. "OMFG! STAY AWAY RETARD!" raged Ragemus and they both blowup in nice ol' fashion ball of fire. The end. //

You are SO quoted XD

[Eluna]

I like the new patch, nomad isnt overpowerd and the new engi isnt a hard problem, only at the start. From the matches I played today against engi ( 4 ) the new skill was uselless late on the game.

So hell yeah S2!

PS: Support for the win :D

[PeeeT]

i think they could turn devoure to what he was, i didnt like new changes on him!

[Whitehertz]

I think I just had a SHITSTORM in my pants....

[Safhir]

NIce changes FTW!~!!!!!!!

[Rikomi]

Possible bug: When I brought strength bracers, I tried to sell them back right after and it didn't refund me the full price.

I don't know if it's because you could never refund an item you just completed or if it is actually a bug.

[HighwayStar]

tremble nerf?

[MakeAltDie]

Halberd! Bastard Sword! I love theirs pics.

[DarkLynx]

Fix Nomad, why wait for a balance patch?

And I thought Tremble was OP u_u

[Rikomi]

I'm getting frustrated.. these last two patches couldn't be applied through the auto updater without crashing. I had to download the .exe file but using that resets all my settings. Having to remake my hotkeys twice in one day sucks..

[CrashBashL]

i wonder how many of you noticed that the alt avatar for engi, the girl, is from Jak and Daxter universe :))

[Wordkill`]

Would spellshards make Engi's mines do more damage.

Great patch the way, loving these new heroes.

[Cyferion]

Would spellshards make Engi's mines do more damage.

Great patch the way, loving these new heroes.

hell yes!

You are SO quoted XD

You stole the nickname I always wanted, I hate you forever.

[takuyaki]

MAC still cany download it or it just me?

[takuyaki]

MAC still cant download it or it just me?

[`Fantasy]

Nice

[Yurixy]

- Updated the icon for Rosie Engineerhorrible new icon really
the old one was cute!

[lillis22]

how can you take :Halberd:Halberd frome the game and still have chanse to get more dmg on savegs mace?? And why remove :BastardSword:Bastard Sword ?? :O

[Drakeer]

horrible new icon really
the old one was cute!


Yeah S2 please bring back old Rosie Engi avatar we bought that hero with another awesome avatar!!!

[Kon_JingJung]

hey gays, when i am trying to update 2.0.24 version, there is a crash error and i cant play, plz help me

[Ahimtar]

Finally a legion agility hero!!! after a year!!! :):):)

[Kon_JingJung]

plz help me, i want to play, but i am getting k2 exception error

[RockSh0t]

Enge is too OP!

[Kon_JingJung]

is there some1 who will help me?

[Quattra]

Im having problems too with this patch. After succesful patching game restarts and gives me just black screen.

I have tried reinstalling from 2.0.15 and 2.0.20 installers (uninstalled everything before reinstalling). No success. Game starts correctly with older builds. Problems starts when game is patched to newest version. Looks like no HoN for me this time... Hopefully this will be fixed soon.

E: Installing from this fixed problem: http://dl.heroesofnewerth.com/HoNClient-2.0.24.exe

[AltF4]

Please do change description of engi ultimate as it states wrong.

[Kon_JingJung]

yeah, we need new patch, because this patch has problems.

[plumar]

You didnt port Techies (which was a good thing in my opinion) and now you give his ****ing mines a normal hero? Are you kidding me?

Techies were useless as a normal fighter and only had their mines which was "kinda balanced" and now you exchange the weakest skill of Engi (which was still good for pushing and defending) with mines?

Engi was fixed/nerfed/buffed so many times and i thought you were done but this is the real April Fools, cmon srsly that is your worst change by far!

[Dark_Abyss]

can't update the new patch...

[morkit]

Hi
I think engis mines should be nerfed. Like make cd shorter but take stacking off. So he could set 1 mine at the time and after that he would have something like 15/12/9/7 seconds cooldown on that. Damage could be lowered a bit from upper levels but cooldown would get shorter when he gets lvls.

[pakoito]

Hi
I think engis mines should be nerfed. Like make cd shorter but take stacking off. So he could set 1 mine at the time and after that he would have something like 15/12/9/7 seconds cooldown on that. Damage could be lowered a bit from upper levels but cooldown would get shorter when he gets lvls.
They already have 7 sec cooldown between mines.

[Deithwen]

Cant patch :(

[Kurpitsa]

- Updated the icon for Rosie Engineer

Whyyyyyy?! :(

[Xterme]

When will they add enchantress and Mortred..I miss them. :(

[Coolcollo]

1. Push Lane
2. Mass spidermines at outpost
3. Once a number of mines that would exceed 800 damage roughly (depending on your harassment) let enemy push.
4. Wait until enemy shops
5. Upgrade monkey with your free bloodlust/200g
6. Team loves you.

[INub`]

NOMAD second skill too OP, the cd on that thing so short u can enter a battle and escape with it.

[AtheistGod]

How can spider mines be balanced? Walk into woods from your lane, place 3 charges. Wait a bit. Put down another 1-2 charges.

Anyone who walks there will die due to 1200-1500 unavoidable damage?

:BoundEye::WardOfRevelation:

[AtheistGod]

Possible bug: When I brought strength bracers, I tried to sell them back right after and it didn't refund me the full price.

I don't know if it's because you could never refund an item you just completed or if it is actually a bug.

It's not a bug. Combines items never have a 100% sell back. I'm guessing it's due to them being unable to make certain that every single one of the components was purchased in the past 15 seconds. It is rather annoying but it is also a very annoying coding situation to remove it.

[EvvaN]

Is it a bug with alchemist bones? Or are they just changed and i missed it? Cause before it was 2 charges etc

[Relativism]

Nice patch S2, a few friends and I have now completely transferred over to HoN from LoL. Just because of your amazing patches and ability to keep the game reasonably balanced. <3

[HollowMask]

Oh great, people will be playing more support with heroes that don't reqquire team presence. That I can be cool with ;).

[RainOfChaos]

best patch since a long time!
all sensefull changes
didnt saw the new engi mine so far... might be op for pushing lanes and if to many mine are on 1 place
one little suggestion: how about using bastards sword icon for broatsword? ^^

GJ S2 :D

[Mazinkaiser]

Patch owns, GJ S2 :)b

[`Fantasy]

Woot!

[Fessor]

SPIDERMINES!!!! Nice :engi:

[Lothilan]

The time has come:

You may now officially sit your lanes like fukc if engineer is in the game.

GJ s2. =)=)

[Mustekala]

1) Broken puppet master -> Check puppet show and guess how many times does it trigger correctly
2) Broken Alche bones -> Charges removed for no good reason, useless item nowdays
3) Hellflower bug -> Some heroes can cast spells under hellflower effect
4) Brutalizer bug / super buff -> Insane high chance of getting permstunned, tested in practise as predator
5) Matchmaking is worse than ever -> Finding myself from Banning Pick when BP is disabled. Also 5 games in row versus 5 man clan team with random allies. Pubstomb ftw !
6) Item disappearing from stash / cour -> MATCH ID 35636799 Flint Beastwood last 3 minutes, Warhammer disappears from stash, but 1600 gold is lost.
7) European-lagfest.org -> Euro server lag before patch 40-60 now 130-180

[madbag]

1) Broken puppet master -> Check puppet show and guess how many times does it trigger correctly
2) Broken Alche bones -> Charges removed for no good reason, useless item nowdays
3) Hellflower bug -> Some heroes can cast spells under hellflower effect
4) Brutalizer bug / super buff -> Insane high chance of getting permstunned, tested in practise as predator
5) Matchmaking is worse than ever -> Finding myself from Banning Pick when BP is disabled. Also 5 games in row versus 5 man clan team with random allies. Pubstomb ftw !
6) Item disappearing from stash / cour -> MATCH ID 35636799 Flint Beastwood last 3 minutes, Warhammer disappears from stash, but 1600 gold is lost.
7) European-lagfest.org -> Euro server lag before patch 40-60 now 130-180
this man speaks the truth

[Supremenexo]

For all those trolls crying about mines, here's a hint:
:WardOfRevelation: or :BoundEye: will do wonders

[itumi]

S2, please make devourers hook work like it used to work, i hate it when it doesnt grab on the way back -.-

Overall i liked this patch :)

[shisha]

omg i want ther real and only Big Techiee:(((

[DraKnoS]

I WANT TECHIES PLS ADD HIM plsssssssssssssssssssssss :)

[Jehuty]

2.0.24.1 already out

[ruXxar`]

I know of 1 person who's happy with the 24.1 patch :D

[duckman911]

2.0.24.1 won't patch for me..

[LOLuMADBRAHH]

BIG PROBLEM:

idk if this is an isolated incident but figured i post for others should they run into the same problem.

i practically never get problems on my comp, especially while updating HoN, but while patching to this newest version my comp froze at like 99% of the final installation screen (part where screen is just black and has big white loading bar) and got the Blue Screen of Death

obviously had to restart my computer and tried opening HoN and it just loads a black screen with spinning Windows 7 circle trying to load. assuming its because the game failed to completely update the patch.

im currently DLing the complete installation of 2.0.24.1 and planning to reinstall, ill update the post and let you know how it goes.

[FDY]

- Fixed resetting keybinds Thank you!

[SAFAD]

seriously ?

[Anduck]

Seriously, this small patch and I have to download whole HoN again? That is because the latest 5+ patches NEVER worked. Always crashing after patch is downloaded starts to install it.

Sometimes patching works, sometimes doesn't. Looks like this 2.0.24.0 -> 2.0.24.1 doens't work for me. When will you fix this? It ain't really fun to download whole game always again and fix settings etc. :madm::madm::madm:

[Volko]

7 Mo patch for a key bind problem ?


Seriously ?

[Anduck]

Could you atleast upload latest client, 2.0.24.1, because updating from 2.0.24.0 doesn't work?

[lillis22]

.....

[sodamixzer]

I want 2.0.24.1 client because updating from 2.0.24.0 doesn't work !!!!!

[Pazuzu]

Another hero already? they need to chill out with the additions of new hero's...take a bit more time developing them
Nomad is from beta he couldn't possibly get more time.

[Rkey]

All the patches suck, you are bad at creating games, I'm better than everyone at S2games at designing games and MSI are the worst players ever they don't get codex :scou:

[Atanatos]

I love new engi, yesterday 1st quadkill with him :D, but I noticed increased ping and connection problems after installing the newest patch. Can you have a look at this, it is ruining my game and affects my teammates as well.
:engi:

[Deflaimun]

cant update from every patch to this new patch :poll::poll:

[Sensi]

S2 WTF Do Your Job! Second day without new client, cant update without it!!!

[bonGg]

Nerf Nomad pls he is not balanced in the early laning phase compared to all other heroes, his harrasment is way to op.

I dont know any Hero that can do this dmg on a low lvl with the ability to get away invis with speed bonus..

My opinion tho.