[REGARDING CURRENT METAPHASE]: Lanes and Hero-Picks in Highlevel-Gaming [Archive]

Archatype

09-23-2009, 01:48 AM

electrician + voodoo jester. G.G. I've also liked Pestilence + jereziah, thoough I imagine hammerstorm + jereziah might be even better.

dumblydore

09-23-2009, 01:56 AM

how about anything that doesn't hit like a little girl + electrician?

Yeah...something like Defiler + Elec = Lvl 6 guaranteed kill, and is good for harassing too.

Heliotic

09-23-2009, 01:58 AM

What are the bans for competitive dota now?

KissKiss

09-23-2009, 02:43 AM

Nymph+Madman seems like a really powerful lane. Both have great stuns, the Nymph solves the Madman's mana problem early game and the heal means you can lane for longer.

Electrician can't do a great deal against a dual stun lane

Glorify1

09-23-2009, 03:41 AM

Why is this so retardedly hard to read?

Anyways, we've been experimenting with a few lanes, namely:
Madman Nymph
Dazzle Pest
Potm Bane

What are the bans for competitive dota now?
gosugamers.net/dota

HoN top 6 bans are Tempest, Jereziah, Succubus, Behemoth, Magmus.

WindRaven

09-23-2009, 08:33 AM

That's 5 heroes, Glorify.

MercuryEnvy

09-23-2009, 09:58 AM

I'd be willing to be the last one is Defiler >.>

akitoes

09-23-2009, 10:12 AM

Huh ?
Isn't defiler overnerfed ?

Extreme_Cake

09-23-2009, 01:19 PM

Defiler is a ganking machine after level 6 and a very solid lane presence before. So no, not really.

Kibuki

09-23-2009, 02:27 PM

i went up against zeus + moon rider in DotA a few days back, and unless you have a solid amount of regen and health to boot, it's tough to not get killed by these two. i'd imagine the HoN equivalents are just as aggravating to deal with, especially with a smaller pool of heroes to counter. these two have an amazing lane presence

fagel

09-27-2009, 12:53 AM

"HoN top 6 bans are Tempest, Jereziah, Succubus, Behemoth, Magmus."

ah the old dota phase where omni used to be banned in every games until people realized that he can be countered with diffusual blade.

on heroes liek valkyrie, night hound, or mb even swiftblade

BLewis

09-27-2009, 04:28 AM

lol how about you convert all this **** to HoN terms instead of living in the past

Travakh

09-27-2009, 04:37 AM

ah the old dota phase where omni used to be banned in every games until people realized that he can be countered with diffusual blade.

The counter exists but it's not present until the carry is able to deploy it, which might be too late. Omni is still a ban in dota.

MrTortoise1

09-27-2009, 08:48 AM

they dont convert the nams because they are talking about the dota items and cars which are slightly different

dune

09-27-2009, 09:59 AM

... Meta-phase? What does that mean anyway apart from a stage of mitosis?

lol how about you convert all this **** to HoN terms instead of living in the past

Why post a request as this in such an overly-agressive manner?

Bobdoyle

09-27-2009, 11:50 AM

Electrian can carry a team with how unkillable he is with semi competent carries

gipp2

09-27-2009, 01:04 PM

a bane+nymph combo looked pretty lame, kept "1 shotting" our torturer with sleep+heal bomb+brain sap. then i realized torturer is retarded and rushed arcane ring.

fagel

09-27-2009, 11:31 PM

The counter exists but it's not present until the carry is able to deploy it, which might be too late. Omni is still a ban in dota.

omni is never a ban these days. A carry should be by those who can lasthit well but yep. Lets see how far jereziah gets in Hon.

JohnnySmash

09-28-2009, 05:38 AM

Don't know much about DotA, but the DotA version of Jeraziah appears to have Kraken's slowing aura which is great for chasing enemies down (<3 Kraken), while when I play Jeraziah HoN version I find one of his biggest weaknesses is the complete inability to chase an enemy. So overall, seems like DotA Jeraziah > HoN Jeraziah. HoN Jeraziah is still sweet though.

Khanecz

09-28-2009, 06:11 AM

jereziah + electrician is quite sick too, grip+heal or any invis + jereziah = invis+ heal

sneakysob

09-28-2009, 04:42 PM

If this was cleaned up or someone redid it, something like this should definitely be in Premium.

TurpinoS

09-28-2009, 04:53 PM

The counter exists but it's not present until the carry is able to deploy it, which might be too late. Omni is still a ban in dota.

Just no.

fagel

10-05-2009, 01:24 AM

If this was cleaned up or someone redid it, something like this should definitely be in Premium.

por que. anyone want to input some advices.

Drasha

10-05-2009, 01:46 AM

Here are my top 6 bans
Tempest, behemoth, Kraken, Kraken, Kraken, and Kraken. God i hate Kraken he murders teams if the person with him knows how to play.

xahxah

10-05-2009, 01:49 AM

The counter exists but it's not present until the carry is able to deploy it, which might be too late. Omni is still a ban in dota.

lol wth Omni was banned like a year ago.

Bans are currently :

1. Tempest
2. Jereziah
3. Behemoth

After that it's pretty situational.

fagel

10-05-2009, 01:58 AM

lol wth Omni was banned like a year ago.

Bans are currently :

1. Tempest
2. Jereziah
3. Behemoth

After that it's pretty situational.

I am trying to figure out a counter against Tempest.
*For Behemoth, "Observer wards" can counter him. =].
I still hate playing against him.

xahxah

10-05-2009, 01:59 AM

I am trying to figure out a counter against Tempest.
*For Behemoth, "Observer wards" can counter him. =].
I still hate playing against him.

Hellbringer, TB, uh.... anyone with a big ranged stun. That and just not being stupid about positioning. Tempest is still good though as one mistake mid game and you pretty much lose.

Oh, I forgot but I think Defiler and Reaper just jumped back up to the auto-banlist also with Nome's Wisdom / Heart changes.

fagel

10-05-2009, 03:09 AM

Hellbringer, TB, uh.... anyone with a big ranged stun. That and just not being stupid about positioning. Tempest is still good though as one mistake mid game and you pretty much lose.

Oh, I forgot but I think Defiler and Reaper just jumped back up to the auto-banlist also with Nome's Wisdom / Heart changes.

Haha. It's going to be hard for Defiler to come back up imo. Though that heart change raped her carnally.

xahxah

10-05-2009, 03:16 AM

Haha. It's going to be hard for Defiler to come back up imo. Though that heart change raped her carnally.

New Heart is amazing, what planet are you on again? 4.25 Death Waves?

fagel

10-05-2009, 03:25 AM

lol but the old heart made heroes like Soul Reaper/Defiler/Torturer stay in lane for-fkn-Ever

Mr_Fisterzzz

10-05-2009, 04:49 AM

Elec + Jera. Elec stun's, while Jera heals Elec and attacks the target. If done on a squishy, usually kills.

ToRpiD

10-05-2009, 04:57 AM

Elec + Jera. Elec stun's, while Jera heals Elec and attacks the target. If done on a squishy, usually kills.

And after that kill, you'll still be behind on money and xp because the ranged hero in the lane is getting every last hit.

FuzzyWuzzy

10-05-2009, 05:11 AM

lol but the old heart made heroes like Soul Reaper/Defiler/Torturer stay in lane for-fkn-Ever

I didn't know anyone bought Heart to "stay in lane", hahaha :D

And please stop with the Electrician + Jeraziah lanes, you are NEVER going to win a lane with that against Demented Shaman + Pestilence for example, or Behemoth + Valkyrie,or Hellbringer + Pharaoh, or anything remotely decent.

Nymph + Succubus is nice yes, but you are losing the synergy that Nymph has with Madman (infinite mana, heal, double stun, double nuke)

xahxah

10-05-2009, 12:02 PM

lol but the old heart made heroes like Soul Reaper/Defiler/Torturer stay in lane for-fkn-Ever

The New Heart + Nome's Wisdom means Soul Reaper / Defiler are never dying and are going to be casting even faster than normal. Oh, and Defiler is going to be pushing towers/raxes down even faster due to 15% cd reduction.

JoeMartin

10-05-2009, 01:39 PM

Nymph + Behemoth is one of my favorite lanes. Oh the fissure spam.

fagel

10-05-2009, 10:52 PM

I didn't know anyone bought Heart to "stay in lane", hahaha :D

And please stop with the Electrician + Jeraziah lanes, you are NEVER going to win a lane with that against Demented Shaman + Pestilence for example, or Behemoth + Valkyrie,or Hellbringer + Pharaoh, or anything remotely decent.

Nymph + Succubus is nice yes, but you are losing the synergy that Nymph has with Madman (infinite mana, heal, double stun, double nuke)

I forgot to mention Nymph + Madman. I am probably stuck with DotA Heroes ㅡ.ㅡ
but yea. I totally agree with you that Nymph + Succubus owns only on early phase of the game.

can't tell people how Jereziah is overrated ㅡ.ㅡ

_Archangel_

10-05-2009, 11:37 PM

The counter exists but it's not present until the carry is able to deploy it, which might be too late. Omni is still a ban in dota.

lolfail. He hasn't been banned for a long, LONG time. Not even picked.

_Archangel_

10-05-2009, 11:43 PM

I forgot to mention Nymph + Madman. I am probably stuck with DotA Heroes ㅡ.ㅡ
but yea. I totally agree with you that Nymph + Succubus owns only on early phase of the game.

can't tell people how Jereziah is overrated ㅡ.ㅡ

Jeraziah is not overrated. He is a very potent hero.

fagel

10-06-2009, 01:54 AM

I tried to clean this crap up so enjoy =].

fagel

10-06-2009, 04:38 AM

If this was cleaned up or someone redid it, something like this should definitely be in Premium.

hey I tried.