Unconventional (but Good) Builds

[Kudryavka]

Stuff that you don't usually think a hero would build that actually works very well.

:arac: - :Portalkey:
:bubb: - :Mock:
:blac: - :Puzzlebox:

[rightclick]

there's one of these threads everyone week and they always suck

[JoOKie]

so how is a mock good on bubbles

[Octavia]

:scou: :Codex:

[Vida]

:scou: :Codex: Spellshard

/thread

[TRYTROUSERS]

frostwolf zues

[yyr_]

:D i have seen lots of people posting puzzlebox blacksmith/arachna. It makes me feel fuzzy.

[K0diak]

Puzzlebox on blacksmith is so amazingly good it's not even funny. To me, pbox3 is absolute core on bs.

:chro::GeometersBane:

:hamm::Steamboots::Steamboots::Steamboots::Steambo ots:

:jera::Portalkey:

:trem::Puzzlebox::PostHaste:

Just an idea: :corr::AssassinShroud:. Basically, you put your maxed-out conduit on a dude, then activate shroud to chase him invisibly while gaining charges. Then suddenly, you open fire with 400+ damage attacks. At level 10..

You could go shrunken head/whispering helm/rift shards after that. Nothing like an 1k crit from fog. Also, you can activate your ult before going invis for added hilarity.

[Braintrainy]

so how is a mock good on bubbles

After you Take Cover, they can't Portal Key after you.

[fenrixx]

:defi: :Wingbow:

[sweplayerdtf]

mock nh / thread

[madbag]

mock nh / thread

that is some old-school dota right there.

Rikimaru + Radiance and since pubs didnt buy wards (sort of like in HoN) it was ggwp.

Puzzlebox is pretty core on blacksmith imo, not really unconventional.

Mock on bubbles seems like a real waste of money.

[Johnsen]

Rush pbox3 on arachna, then standard items.

[Launders]

Riftshards on Rampage.

1 shot pollywogs all day

[PrestonLee]

:Mock: :FrostfieldPlate: Spellshards on any hero.

:WhisperingHelm: for creep to stack/farm, dissassemble-> :ElderParasite: :Insanitarius:+:ShrunkenHead:

:Puzzlebox:+(:NullfireBlade: :FrostwolfsSkull: :KuldrasSheepstick: :FrostfieldPlate: :Hellflower: pick a few)

:AlchemistBones: on a full support.

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more hero specific:

:pupp: - :PlatedGreaves: :WhisperingHelm: :Puzzlebox: :FrostwolfsSkull: :KuldrasSheepstick: (:SymbolOfRage:) Support/Utility/Pushing/Minion Puppet. He still hits fuggen hard.

Empath - :Steamboots: :chal: :PowerSupply: :FortifiedBracelet: (:WardOfSight:) Early game 'tanky' ganking Empath. :FrostwolfsSkull: for the lulz, otherwise pick one depending on how well you did early game and play normally, the better you did, the better the item in ascending order: :TabletOfCommand: :Astrolabe: :Hellflower: :Puzzlebox: :KuldrasSheepstick: :Codex:

:wild: - :PlatedGreaves: :AbyssalSkull: go bear form, push, early gg. (add :Astrolabe: :DaemonicBreastplate :Puzzlebox:, then whatever)

:tort: - :EnhancedMarchers: :PowerSupply: :FortifiedBracelet: :FortifiedBracelet: :FortifiedBracelet: :FortifiedBracelet: :FortifiedBracelet: :FortifiedBracelet: :VoidTalisman:/:MysticVestments: roaming no farming tort, you can sell the Bracers and farm stacks with ulti later after you're 9-0 if they haven't conceded yet. I've been doing this all day lately, works like a charm.

:swif: - :EnhancedMarchers: :Bottle: :HelmOfTheBlackLegio :HackNSlash: :StaffOfTheMaster: :DaemonicBreastplate :SymbolOfRage:. GANK THE WHOLE GAME THE MOMENT YOU HIT 7. Only stop to farm when you pass up a creep/Ancient stack, Stack it, and spin it. Then go continue ganking. No Runed Axe farming bullsh!t, just pure unstoppable ganks.

:slit:/:arac:+:FrostwolfsSkull:, switch between orbs.

What else. Any hero rushing :Codex:.

[liq3]

:corr::PostHaste::HackNSlash::Stormspirit: 522 movespeed ftw.

How good it is is questionable though...

[SkyneT]

:defi: :Wingbow:
http://i55.tinypic.com/vsks3k.jpg

[JarJar]

:WardOfSight::WardOfSight::WardOfSight::WardOfSigh t::WardOfSight: I like to try and buy these several times each game. I think they work ok. But then when you upgrade them and get global visio they get beastlike.

Ok all trolling aside, Wards are still one of the most gamebreaking items out there.

[WwD]

:swif::GeometersBane::Mock:

[noob_smoke]

:WardOfSight::WardOfSight::WardOfSight::WardOfSigh t::WardOfSight: I like to try and buy these several times each game. I think they work ok. But then when you upgrade them and get global visio they get beastlike.

Ok all trolling aside, Wards are still one of the most gamebreaking items out there.

I did this a few weeks ago playing as Andromeda had the wards on cool down all game and had only boots and bracer + mana battery. Soul stealer told me I was a noob and didn't have items. Oh and yeah... he said for me to put up wards because he was being ganked too much.

Anyways being legit here.. never bought wards again tru story.

[Kudryavka]

:swif::GeometersBane::Mock:
Mock Juggs was sweet, but now that S2 murdered him, he's just a boring right click carry. Please don't bring back fond memories of days past.

[Techno_Mage]

:swif:-:AssassinShroud: spin->go invisible out of view,they go wtf where i be damaged from, after spin is over(or near the end) you hit them for 125 bonus damage that can stack with crit->ult(creepwave is gone from spin hopefully)

[joris267]

doombringers on booboo, he practically cant die.

[kirbyruled]

Mock Juggs was sweet, but now that S2 murdered him, he's just a boring right click carry. Please don't bring back fond memories of days past.

Mock Swiftblade could work too though. You build tanky with Counterattack after Mock. With unlimited gold from slaughtering helpless pubs it could work.

[Emergency]

:witc: : :HelmOfTheBlackLegio :HelmOfTheBlackLegio :Steamboots: :VoidTalisman: :Hellflower: [Insert random 6th item.]


For games where I'm the most likely target to get blown up by the carry and I need to gtfo. It's actually kind of legit, mostly because Witch Slayer's pretty much totally ability-based and his items don't matter that much.

[QKO]

:witc: : :HelmOfTheBlackLegio :HelmOfTheBlackLegio :Steamboots: :VoidTalisman: :Hellflower: [Insert random 6th item.]


For games where I'm the most likely target to get blown up by the carry and I need to gtfo. It's actually kind of legit, mostly because Witch Slayer's pretty much totally ability-based and his items don't matter that much.
Actually, a sheepstick WS beats the **** out of that.

:swif:-:SymbolOfRage: after my opponent saw me regain full hp while using my ult, they conceded.

[Pat_H]

doombringers on booboo, he practically cant die.

can he actually carry a db? That would be an interesting strategy tough.

booboo with :EnhancedMarchers::Doombringer: and maybe :Mock: would be amazing if you got enough lucky procs

he's tanky enough to just chase until entangle procs enough for the kill XD

[Emergency]

Actually, a sheepstick WS beats the **** out of that.

:swif:-:SymbolOfRage: after my opponent saw me regain full hp while using my ult, they conceded.
Void Talisman has served me so much better than Sheepstick ever has, spanning across all characters. It's such a great item.

[Azurken]

Not sure if this is standard, but torturer with portal key + mock (but you still need a ton of mana and hp to support yourself, sac stone + staff should be enough).

[lolbreeze]

:legi::Insanitarius:

[MrBigHuge]

:Thunderclaw::thun:

[joris267]

can he actually carry a db? That would be an interesting strategy tough.

booboo with :EnhancedMarchers::Doombringer: and maybe :Mock: would be amazing if you got enough lucky procs

he's tanky enough to just chase until entangle procs enough for the kill XD

he can carry items, so why shouldn't he be able to carry a db? a carry booboo, lol:D

[giully]

he cant carry db anymore -.-

[SkyneT]

:legi::Insanitarius:



hotbl + mock still works on counter attack builds as kirby said, follow with charged hamemr to frostburn and you'll be gg

[Pat_H]

he cant carry db anymore -.-

bummer :'''(

[MathLc]

:legi::Insanitarius:
:legi::Insanitarius::Codex:

[GregerMoek]

:thun: + :Portalkey: is something I use at times. I like it. Staying outside the heat of battle spamming my Blast of lightning from different angles and good for chasing too.

:pand: + :Insanitarius: wrecks face. I especially love how the (often) losing team claim that I'm a noob for not going Bot(?) from MSI's build. Despite the fact that I just killed their FA with less than 4xFlurry. Nothing against the build he is using, I get it more often than Insanitarius, but damn people need to learn how to think for themselves and not just follow pro's items. Sure the pros has reason for building as they do, but that doesn't mean the heroes they play should always be built that way.
Ofcourse Shrunken Head is included in that build btw.

[PrestonLee]

:thun: + :Portalkey: is something I use at times. I like it. Staying outside the heat of battle spamming my Blast of lightning from different angles and good for chasing too. ROFL

[kemp47]

basically this :soulr: + :HelmOfTheBlackLegio:ShamansHeaddress::Mock:

[Zonkerz]

Blacksmith => ring of mana =>striders=>spellshard=>codex=>gg

[xJoe]

We had a :chro:.
They had a :krak: with :Stormspirit:.
:chro: couldnt kill anyone in his bubble. xD

[thewerxx]

We had a :chro:.
They had a :krak: with :Stormspirit:.
:chro: couldnt kill anyone in his bubble. xD
LMFAO never thought of that.

[Epidemilk]

basically this :soulr: + :HelmOfTheBlackLegio:ShamansHeaddress::Mock:

They said unconventional but GOOD, that is terrible...no mana regen, Inhuman Nature is not enough. Unlikely to be quite tanky enough either. You'll be wanting the tank **** early so you don't get repeatedly ganked on your way to 3400 gold, and having no extra mana regen, GL ever getting that Mock. Getting a Nome's in there would be a big help, but the goal should be a Null Stone or something else to keep your ass alive, not a Mock...and if the build had those things it wouldn't be unconventional anymore.

Unconventional for SR would probably involve a Codex to get people into ulti range sooner, and again, without proper survival and regen first, it wouldn't be good. Spellshards probably a better choice, and that's pretty bad for him too.

[Dzyu]

AnyHero + :VoidTalisman:

I never see it used.

[kemp47]

They said unconventional but GOOD, that is terrible...no mana regen, Inhuman Nature is not enough. Unlikely to be quite tanky enough either. You'll be wanting the tank **** early so you don't get repeatedly ganked on your way to 3400 gold, and having no extra mana regen, GL ever getting that Mock. Getting a Nome's in there would be a big help, but the goal should be a Null Stone or something else to keep your ass alive, not a Mock...and if the build had those things it wouldn't be unconventional anymore.

Unconventional for SR would probably involve a Codex to get people into ulti range sooner, and again, without proper survival and regen first, it wouldn't be good. Spellshards probably a better choice, and that's pretty bad for him too.
haha eff you im gonna go do the build right now....fool

the idea behind it is....your tanky enough to to stay alive for everyones hp to melt... with mock

[Epidemilk]

haha eff you im gonna go do the build right now....fool

the idea behind it is....your tanky enough to to stay alive for everyones hp to melt... with mock

And again have fun farming that **** without some proper regen, your team is really gonna love you hanging around by the ancients instead of helping for the first what, 5-10 minutes?

Either way I'm sure they'll be pleased you can get off maybe one Judgment and an ult in each fight. More power to ya. Do what you want but don't call it 'good'

[PrestonLee]

basically this :soulr: + :HelmOfTheBlackLegio:ShamansHeaddress::Mock::HelmO fTheBlackLegio:chal:, skilling Inhuman nature and use the creeps as a mana source (with proper last hitting), then :Mock:->:FrostfieldPlate: works pretty decently.

Ditch the Shamans if you're going Mock, I don't know why so many people do the Shamans+Hotbl combo, it's pretty all around horrible and turns you into nothing but a pretty useless "tank" that usually runs out of mana quickly, on any hero. :MysticVestments: is enough, then work on other pickups.


Unconventional for SR would probably involve a Codex to get people into ulti range sooner, and again, without proper survival and regen first, it wouldn't be good. Spellshards probably a better choice, and that's pretty bad for him too.Working off this for the lulz, you later change your :HelmOfTheBlackLegio into a :BehemothsHeart: and go Spellshards+:Codex: with the 500+ gpm you have from Mock and there you have it, a decently good unconventional build putting both your ideas together. :p

The problem is if you went Mock on a Reaper the game probably would've been over much earlier anyway, or you're playing with terribads. :p Still, it's a decently good unconventional build that works like a charm if you can pull it off.

:EnhancedMarchers: :HelmOfTheBlackLegio :chal: :Mock: :FrostfieldPlate: Spellshards :Codex: :PostHaste: :BehemothsHeart:

[Grimace]

I like :witc::EnhancedMarchers::ElderParasite: :Riftshards:. Super fun, and occasionally it even works.

[kemp47]

yea actually not gonna lie I usually get a chalice.... but I still like the shamens HOTBL combo on alot of heroes.....but I usually do end up grabing a chalice like on kracken

[yyr_]

Shamans hotbl is meh...

[iDoPenguins]

AnyHero + :VoidTalisman:

I never see it used.
I always buy :VoidTalisman: on :defi:. When you activate ulti and someone tries to jump you activate :VoidTalisman: and just sit back and Lol... I would almost says its core on her.

But the only other time I buy :VoidTalisman: is when i'm vs'ing :pred: or :deme:. Works excellent against :pred: and i use it against :deme: because all his abilities are Physical. Thats about then only time i buy it.

EDIT: Lies, I also buy it to stop :swif: Ulti if he is smashing it!

[wietepiet]

basically this :soulr: + :HelmOfTheBlackLegio:ShamansHeaddress::Mock:

That actually looks pretty cool.

[K0diak]

:tort:::HelmOfTheBlackLegio:chal:

Just amazingly good. I always play torturer like this. The idea is that you can keep pushing without ever needing to back to base, and that it's really cheap.

[Horizon]

Oh god, I could sit in this thread all day.

Some faves:
Oph, start with no items (except a ward, courier if your team needs it, sometimes a RoT if I feel like it.). Rush your first item to be mock, can be done at like ~12 minutes if you're quick and lucky. Procede to get marchers, SotM/whatever. Mock is insane farm and it rapes pretty much anything under level 10. If I'm feeling like a "safer game", ward and glove of swift to a rushed alch bones. Boots, Frostwolf skull and Sotm at 25 minutes = win. Conversely, a 10 minute Codex on Oph hurts pretty bad too if you max out judgement instead of wrath.

Soul Reaper - RoT + Sorc ring + marchers straight into a mock, then heart/spellshards. It's not super "unusual", but I like it more than a lot of other builds.

[Epidemilk]

:tort:::HelmOfTheBlackLegio:chal:

Just amazingly good. I always play torturer like this. The idea is that you can keep pushing without ever needing to back to base, and that it's really cheap.

Maybe I'll try that sometime for the early stuff. My preferred build for Tort is something like :NomesWisdom::PlatedGreaves::Nullstone::StaffOfThe Master:, situationally :BarbedArmor: or :ShamansHeaddress:, occasionally :HelmOfTheBlackLegio, would go :SacrificialStone: if their lineup didn't warrant the Null (but how often is that right? there's always a few annoying single target spells), but well, nothing unconventional about any of that.

Just not a fan of :chal: on int heroes (except :blac:) since it was changed to not give health regen anymore. Tort has shitty health until you start getting items, HOTBL will help but seems like it'd have to come before the Chalice is finished ..so farming will be kind of a ***** with the lack of mana.. Chalice first you'd be sitting at half-or-less a lot of the time, which for early game Tort is gonna be what, 350... way too easy to burn down!

[innova3]

:scou: :Codex:
with :stri:

[TheKorken]

:mage::RingOfSorcery:

[FortyeniN]

:chro: :Insanitarius:
Gives damage and attack speed while giving a beefy chunk of hp
Hp degen is counteracted by the fact that you're wailing on someone with either :WhisperingHelm: :ElderParasite:

[Baal]

:wret::Portalkey:

[melonface]

:wret::Portalkey:

did that once. was awesome cos u can pretty much nuke people without endangering yourself like at all. you also acquire imba mobility, however in deciding team fights it will feel like a waste of money.

[K0diak]

Maybe I'll try that sometime for the early stuff. My preferred build for Tort is something like :NomesWisdom::PlatedGreaves::Nullstone::StaffOfThe Master:, situationally :BarbedArmor: or :ShamansHeaddress:, occasionally :HelmOfTheBlackLegio, would go :SacrificialStone: if their lineup didn't warrant the Null (but how often is that right? there's always a few annoying single target spells), but well, nothing unconventional about any of that.

Just not a fan of :chal: on int heroes (except :blac:) since it was changed to not give health regen anymore. Tort has shitty health until you start getting items, HOTBL will help but seems like it'd have to come before the Chalice is finished ..so farming will be kind of a ***** with the lack of mana.. Chalice first you'd be sitting at half-or-less a lot of the time, which for early game Tort is gonna be what, 350... way too easy to burn down!

You only need the life tube to make chalice useful :smile:
I start with :CrushingClaws::MarkOfTheNovice:, then I rush :Lifetube:>:Marchers:>:HelmOfTheBlackLegio. Nullstone is a great pick-up by the way.

[Epidemilk]

You only need the life tube to make chalice useful :smile:
I start with :CrushingClaws::MarkOfTheNovice:, then I rush :Lifetube:>:Marchers:>:HelmOfTheBlackLegio. Nullstone is a great pick-up by the way.

I dunno, I do love my Nome's....pick one up when I can on a lot of heroes, and very very rarely does anyone else in team even think about getting one!

[kemp47]

has anybody ever thought about rushing :Mock: on :warb:
doesent seem that great but....hey unconventional and could work... + you totally have the farm for it... probably be way to squish though

[Kudryavka]

has anybody ever thought about rushing :Mock: on :warb:
doesent seem that great but....hey unconventional and could work... + you totally have the farm for it... probably be way to squish though
Solution: Jeraziah.

Seriously, try that ****. Put Warb in the jungle and Jeraziah in the double lane or solo mid. Warb pushes out early mock and Jera maxes shield. Nothing the enemy can do to stop that combo, since they won't have a Nullfire yet. Warb will pull an annihilation at 20 mins, then they'll push in rax.

[MR_BIRD]

Stuff that you don't usually think a hero would build that actually works very well.

:arac: - :Portalkey:
:bubb: - :Mock:
:blac: - :Puzzlebox:

Last time I played with a guy. Our teammates troll'd him to buy a pk as aracna. It works really well tho.
Puzzlebox on BS is a must. :blac:

[pepi]

PK on Valkyrie. They will never know which angle you're going to arrow.

[Darkstrand]

PK on Valkyrie. They will never know which angle you're going to arrow.

i do this from time to time, usually its the allies going "wtf valk"

it's pretty crazy when you've got leap and portal key to just appear in fights and disappear at a moment's notice only to jump back at them again while they run for their lives.

[iToggle]

Whoever mentioned helm or sacstone

Helm, Split into Sacstone is boss.
Or helm into Beheheart/Shamans.
I do it occasionally on tort/defiler

[Skillbuilds]
Statiador. Whip/Stats, Ult whenever available. Makes your whips really solid harass earlygame, if you're mid you end up dominating.

Also, hilarious trollbuild is stats/showdown.

[TehPwnr]

:legi: :HelmOfTheBlackLegio :HelmOfTheBlackLegio :HelmOfTheBlackLegio :HelmOfTheBlackLegio :HelmOfTheBlackLegio :HelmOfTheBlackLegio
/thread

[Bozmonster]

:damp: + :HarkonsBlade:

actually works quite well, It's one of my favourites anyway.
It doesn't make him tanky...


but on the + side, you get harkons + lifesteal, pret sure damp is the only one who can do that without resorting to using :AbyssalSkull:

It makes his abilities do considerably more damage, and heal more... and if you have cats on your team that reduce magic armour then he is really monstrous.

This is good against heroes who can't rush :ShrunkenHead: because they need to farm other core items to be effective.
:doct::temp::behe::pebb:.

Generally I find that when I play this build, when I finally build my harkons, aim for the 14-24 min mark, you have a a huge damage output. Often raking in 20+ kills in a match, but you do eventually run out of gas, so you have to win before that

[PrestonLee]

:damp: + :HarkonsBlade:

actually works quite well, It's one of my favourites anyway.
It doesn't make him tanky...


but on the + side, you get harkons + lifesteal, pret sure damp is the only one who can do that without resorting to using :AbyssalSkull:

It makes his abilities do considerably more damage, and heal more... and if you have cats on your team that reduce magic armour then he is really monstrous.

This is good against heroes who can't rush :ShrunkenHead: because they need to farm other core items to be effective.
:doct::temp::behe::pebb:.

Generally I find that when I play this build, when I finally build my harkons, aim for the 14-24 min mark, you have a a huge damage output. Often raking in 20+ kills in a match, but you do eventually run out of gas, so you have to win before thatdo you really get lifesteal with harkons on him? O_O that's imba haha. i think shards is still better for the cooldown reductions tho :/ i'll have to try it sometime :]

[nublard]

:scou: :Codex:

How is this unusual? I've always thought of it as core.

[PodiumBound]

:pupp: with daemonic for more procs and much armour and debuff.
:damp: with runed axe for mana hp and dmg, (semi carry damp inc)
:warb: frostwulf, angrytestie style, its veryvery good !
:arma: or just any tank with snake bracelet for evasion, it works well, makes a tank even harder to focus =)