SoTM Recipe change.

[Arctus_Tibal]

Old:
2/3 10 Stats items(:NeophytesBook: :Quickblade: :MightyBlade:) + Glowstone (:Glowstone:) + Recipe - 4300

New:
3/3 10 Stats Items(:NeophytesBook: :Quickblade: :MightyBlade:) + Glowstone(:Glowstone:) - 4200

Lowers the cost of staff by 100g.

The main reason that I'm even suggesting this change is that I think it makes more sense as they attain the +10 to the missing piece anyway, obviously its not gamebreaking or even all that new I personally just don't like the recipe.

Items like Wingbow have no recipe yet give large bonuses
Wingbow (:Wingbow:) = Dancing Blade(:DancingBlade:) + Snake Bracelet (:SnakeBracelet:) + Steamstaff (:Steamstaff:)
If you add the Bonuses from all these items together it makes:
+30 Agi + 25 Evasion +12 Dmg +10 Atk Speed
Wingbow is
+30 Agi + 30 Evasion +32 Dmg +30 Atk Speed

This is a huge bonus from something that has no recipe (though expected since one of the pieces costs 3k and is therefore hard to get)

I'm not here to debate the price of Wingbow I just wanted to use it to compare to for staff

Staff doesn't actually give any bonuses to stat gain at all as all the pieces added together equal the exact same stats (other than +10 to a stat your missing) as the staff itself (10 to all stats +200 hp +150 Mana) the reason you make the recipe is obviously to get the bonus to ultimate.

This is the point I would like to give: Wingbow has no recipe and gives huge bonuses, SoTM has a expensive recipie yet gives +10 to stats and bonus to ultimate, wouldn't it be better just to remove the recipe have it give no extra stats and have the reason you make it the bonus to ulti?

TL;DR I don't like the fact that staff requires a recipe so I think this is a good alternative.

[Arctus_Tibal]

Bump.

[SmashFiles]

An interesting concept, but for ideas different then what you posted.
It would be a nice change because you could then dissasemble it into other items as the game grows on, and you're ultimate upgrade becomes less viable.

[Dredrick]

"If it ain't broke..."

[Arctus_Tibal]

"If it ain't broke..."

Fair enough. Just my thoughts.

[Skyve]

"If it ain't broke..."

SotM on heroes like Moonqueen, Chronos, Swiftblade IS not good in any way, and that's primarily due to the buildup. The suggestion here wouldn't really change that, but still...

[Arctus_Tibal]

Bump

[Stokkolm]

This has been already implemented in Dota. It eliminates the redundancy of having a recipe item that can be easily replace by a normal item.

But i'm not sure it's ok to port Dota changes.

[Arctus_Tibal]

This has been already implemented in Dota. It eliminates the redundancy of having a recipe item that can be easily replace by a normal item.

But i'm not sure it's ok to port Dota changes.

Oh really? I didnt actually know that. Nice to know. Still I think it would be a nice change :P

[Arctus_Tibal]

you're an idiot. you can make sotm with any of the +10 agility/str/int items.. its not broken, sotm has been changed before and is fine as is. /thread

and your a troll. Thats a cool story. We all know you can use any of the 3 items as it states above. I'm saying 3/3 No Recipe. But whatever. Thats cool.

[yyr_]

Makes perfect sense...

[Arctus_Tibal]

Bumping

[Arctus_Tibal]

Bump.

[Tomate]

I agree on this proposal. Makes SOTM a little cheaper.

[Arctus_Tibal]

Bump.

[Arctus_Tibal]

Hump.

[HertZz]

Well, Nice idea):

[Frewbags]

I think give it a 100-200 gold recipe so it cant be disassembled..

[illLich]

really good one idea.

[Arctus_Tibal]

asdasdasdasdasd (BumP)

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Bump.

[Arctus_Tibal]

Up and up and up it goes. Who will vote. Nobody knows!

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Bump.

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And up again.

[Pazuzu]

The reason there is a recipe is so the item can't be disassembled.

[ProtoProtoss]

Shouldn't there be a rule against constant bumping? If you have to bump it that many times, take it as nobody cares. Staff is fine like it is, and to make such a minor change would involve them taking extra time out of S2's day when they could be using that to fix this damn take forever to get logged in issue.

[Arctus_Tibal]

Shouldn't there be a rule against constant bumping? If you have to bump it that many times, take it as nobody cares. Staff is fine like it is, and to make such a minor change would involve them taking extra time out of S2's day when they could be using that to fix this damn take forever to get logged in issue.

Nice. Bump.

[Arctus_Tibal]

Bump up.

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Another Bump up.

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Zoom. Up.

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[Tomate]

It's a good idea... but not being a formula anymore makes it possible to be split back into its components... dont think this could be abused as of now... but who knows.

[Arctus_Tibal]

It's a good idea... but not being a formula anymore makes it possible to be split back into its components... dont think this could be abused as of now... but who knows.

10 Stats items can be used in: Shrunken head, Brutalizer, Codex, Nome's wisdom, Stormspirit, the list goes on. I dont think it could be abused as such, just that the options would be nice.

[Satangossu]

It's a good idea... but not being a formula anymore makes it possible to be split back into its components... dont think this could be abused as of now... but who knows.

I have the same concern, especially since 3 items of the SotM are used in Geo Bane and FWS, wich are very popluar late game items.

I don't know if this is actually a bad thing though...

[Vulcan]

Bumpdigalie

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Bamp.

[General_Fei]

I like it. I've never been a recipe fan.

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Bump.

[Token]

good idea, then it can be dissasembled later if need be, as its bonuses are rather useless on 90% of heros, but great stats

[Arctus_Tibal]

Up we go.