[HoNStrategy.com] Take Part in HoN Strategy

[HunteR_]

Hello HoN Community,

I am looking for dedicated HoN'ers to help make guides on HoNStrategy.com

If interested please PM.

[RPZip]

Two things;

1) Did he give you his permission to port his guide over?
2) Doesn't this risk violating the NDA? Actually, forget 'risk'; how is this not violating the NDA? It's not a locked site.

[Walterion]

Two things;

1) Did he give you his permission to port his guide over?
2) Doesn't this risk violating the NDA? Actually, forget 'risk'; how is this not violating the NDA? It's not a locked site.

I think the fact that he is working for MOBA is enough for me, they were allowed to post 2 or 3 gameplay footage videos on youtube too.
The risk of violating the NDA is if you post SS or videos (check sticky thread on the beta testing forums).

[Korgan]

Hunter you are such an egomaniac....

Even if you got the permission to post NDA stuff, what I hardly believe, why did you posted a guide for a closed beta on an open site?
I mean it's not like anyone outside of the beta forum could use HoN guides...

*MOBA MOBA*

[VeNuM]

RPZip was asking if HunteR has permission from Fallout to use his guide, and I don't think that Fallout works for MOBA.

I'm unsure why we need to push all these random sites because surely the only active thing HoN needs right now is there OWN forums and not lots of random self made stuff.

Lets just think about it for a second, unselfishly.

If you decide to make 3-4 sites that are based around leagues or hero guides and such and eventually you get game discussion going on other forums, perhaps bugs and discussion the developers want to be reading won't be there for them to read cos you have taken some of the user base for your own selfishisness. Granted plenty of these sites will spawn after the game releases or decent sites will be in developement now and during open beta ready for release. But for now seriously please put a pipe in it, it isnt needed.

[Bonkers]

Oh man - thats so being pimped now Korgan - LEGEND!!

*MOBA MOBA*!!!!!!

[AcidUK]

I agree with everything Kaution has said - these forums are more than big enough to accommodate all the content being produced by the beta users.

If the user feedback/discussion is spread out over multiple sites, then it is going to be wasted, as there will be lots of duplication/ignored forums + posts.

Please stop splitting users away from these forums. For now at least, they are, and should be the only place for beta user responses.

[Bonkers]

Hunter_ is the Jordan of the forums - now where is his other half Peter Andre!!

[Shulgoth]

Oh man - thats so being pimped now Korgan - LEGEND!!

*MOBA MOBA*!!!!!!


I loled hard :D

Who still remembers this precious gem?
Heroes of Newerth, League of Legends, Demigod vs DotA
by HunterDOTA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R1vOSc-M8c&feature=channel_page

[Soviet]

Well at least there aren't any ads.

[Limi]

Hunter, its nice to see your others sites flourishing...

http://masterwebguy.com/

[Coffeeholic]

It's Jereziah dude get it right.

[AcidUK]

I'm so happy that Hunter_ has decided to start making us lucky HoN players websites after failing so miserably at making league of legend equivalents.

http://leagueoflegendswiki.com/
http://lolgathering.com/

Theres also plenty of failed DotA sites/leagues. Please stop.

[VeNuM]

I'm so glad that you are spamming the HoN community with all these sites that you are making for every aspect of HoN.

Unofficial HoN forums which clearly arnt needed as the user base here is 1000x bigger and the information is better on here than it is on anyone elses site.

As Acid has posted already, you have done this plenty of times for DotA and LoL and I've checked out plenty of your sites and they all seem to of failed or died rather rapidly. They look terrible and "my first website -esque" looking they don't even survive for a decent period of time. Just because you have the expendable cash to get template designs - seen here ; http://www.memht.com/forum_thread_18329_Willing-to-pay-$100-for-template.html
and vBulletin licenses doesnt mean you have any skill or expertise in building real communties that last for a long time. HoN doesnt WANT you in anyway. I'm unsure that you have any followers that like your work (perhaps they were bribed?)

You really need to wake up and look at what people are telling you. You arnt needed, certainly not at this stage of the game. Your "e-sports" site that you run hasnt been updated in months and I doubt has any real standing in the e-sports community. If you have contacts then why arnt you working with them instead of trying to make lots of failed DotA leagues and the like? All the sites you have made/designed/ran/templated have eventually died a quick death and look extremely poor.

Leave the designing and the programming to the people that know what they are doing, allow people who have the connections within e-sports to talk to the major leagues and such that can get HoN the coverage it deserves, we would much rather see HoN in these than a poor copy of what ever it is you have to offer.

Just because you are really passionate about HoN doesnt mean you deserve to do what you want or should be given credit for stuff you havnt actually done, or even done well. Stick to your day job because you suck extremely at "community building" and "league building".

If you want to check many of HunteR's failed websites heres the list
(quite sure there are more)

http://check6gaming.com
http://dotagaming.com
http://dxd-league.com
http://dxd.check6gaming.com
http://getswoned.com
http://leagueoflegendswiki.com
http://lolgathering.com
http://mobagamers.com

This is the best though http://masterwebguy.com/ - This is what happens to sites that are made/registered by this guy. Not maintained and just spammed to high heaven with porn adverts and what not, could you guys imagine if the HoN sites he was doing got to that point?

ps. If you are going to be taking content from people perhaps you could ask them to use the content THEY have spent time on. As far as I know you havnt asked Fallout if you could use his guide, I doubt it has even occured to you though. How about you do some content yourself rather than leeching off other people?

[Hucklecat]

As Acid has posted already, you have done this plenty of times for DotA and LoL and I've checked out plenty of your sites and they all seem to of failed or died rather rapidly. They look terrible and "my first website -esque" looking they don't even survive for a decent period of time. Just because you have the expendable cash to get template designs - seen here ; http://www.memht.com/forum_thread_18329_Willing-to-pay-$100-for-template.html
and vBulletin licenses doesnt mean you have any skill or expertise in building real communties that last for a long time. HoN doesnt WANT you in anyway. I'm unsure that you have any followers that like your work (perhaps they were bribed?)


I'll write Hunter_ all the guides he wants if he pays me :D.

[HunteR_]

Yes, I have gone through the correct outlets for this. Also, I did notify the original maker of the guide I would be using it on HoN Strategy.

And yes, there are a lot of different community sites for dota, as there will be for HoN, and League of Legends, and an other game that pops up that catches my interest.

If you are interested please PM me

[VeNuM]

If you want to palm it off as "nerd rage" then congratulations.

I've brought facts the table and told the community all the cons (because lets face it there are no plus points) about following you or supporting stuff that you do. Perhaps you should re-read my post from a neutral stand point - imagine it was posted from someone other than me and it maybe you can approach it in a different way rather than the childish response you have given it.

I would love for you to come up with a serious mature response to what I have written to you in the past few weeks. Instead you like to palm it off as nerd rage or flame. You see it as flame because its coming across in a harsh way and I can totally see that - how ever most of the time when people critique peoples work they get defensive about it as a natural response and feel offended anyway, so even if I was to put these points across in a less harsh way I'd suspect you would react in the same way anyhow. Perhaps the truth hurts and you don't know how to handle the situation at all ?

Its nice to know you have hundreds of sites, I'm betting that only 5% of those actually get maintained and I'd be suprised if any of them werent templates or had a forum attached to them that doesnt get used.

Do you have blinkers on and only see what you want to see?

[Feriluce]

Woo, drama. *Grabs popcorn*

[HunteR_]

I am a man of action, not words.

[H]

http://honstrategy.com/ (http://honstrategy.com/hon-hero-guides/34-hon-hero-guides/48-jeriziah-the-iron-man)

Terrible site. Any site that uses Joomla should have a knife shoved up their anal passage, while charged with 400volts of electricity.

At least create a decent website, oh and masterwebguy - brilliantly poor.

[DoubleNeg]

I am a man of action, not words.

To refute you Hunter_ has registered Kautionisawanker.net to post a sweet blog about how you are a dumb dummy from dumb town.

[Impeeched]

Good job trying to expand the community and show some enthusiasm for this game, Hunter.

I'm glad you aren't listening to these people trying to discourage you...I don't see why people suddenly turn all mad simply because you are trying to create a site to forward the cause of a game they like..

Oh well..I for one am glad for this effort you are going to. I like this site's design. Keep it up, hunter! :)

[VeNuM]

More to the point though, posting pictures of ingame items and heroes and such is breaking the NDA isnt it? therefore you are breaking the NDA by posting Fallouts guide that has pictures from the game in it.

Still waiting for a decent response though. doubt I'll get one as I don't think you understand anything I've written towards you :(

[HunteR_]

Thanks impeeched, to be honest, these guys have zero affect on what I do, i've been doing this for years, running successful leagues and communities for years. Like I said, it's a hobby and a passion. I talk to the heads of S2 constantly on game direction, league implementation, and am trying to build the competitive community which is my forte. Hope to see you in HoN League

[VeNuM]

Ignorance is bliss as they say.

[LodeRunner]

Moba moba moba!

[Sw4n]

i am not seeing how x6 and dxd are failures

[Hawky]

Hunter, as an objective view, could you please tell me what you can give the community that they are unable to get from this forum?

This is not nerd rage, this is a genuine question from someone who has written many guides in the past and i have recently become aware of HoN so am joining it's ranks. However i am bemused as to why during a closed beta, you would create a wiki style board that will require daily updates to stay current. Every time i have logged in there has been a new patch, new changes. Who will be continuing to update these changes? If you go on holidays for a few weeks, who will do it in your stead?

I appreciate that you have many years experience in the web development market, could you please provide me with one of your proudest sites either in a PM or here on the forum and i can have a look?

Thankyou, if you wish to respect me in the same tone i have respected you it would be appreciated.

Why the hell does it matter what he does on his personal website?

What does it 'offer'? Are you kidding me? If you don't like it, don't use it, but no need to attack the guy for a private fan website, holy ****.

The responses in this thread just perpetuate the truth of how crappy the DotA community is.


PS: He's already said he was given prior permission to post what he did. Considering he's been given permission to post videos and such, doesn't seem so far fetched. Not sure why you insist on asking the question 5 times, after he answered it.

[HunteR_]

@ Hawky and Marduke, I don't mind answering questions about it.

Hawky, the difference between what you can find filtering through a forum that will surely be massed with traffic and a site with only the best strategy filtered by real competitive players.

I have a team of volunteers including myself and other competitive dota players turned HoN that will be posting real strategy and guides. I expect HoN Strategy to do very well and when traffic picks up I will be implementing ad sharing for articles/guides they write for their time. I don't expect any return, but I don't mind others for wanting some. I run the largest inhouse dota league, i have a 2,000 dollar server i bought to run our channel bots and host bots, I have a web server with a 100mb connection that is 100 a month and not to mention hundreds of self-renewing domains. I'm a hobbiest, and it's my passion, I love motorcycles, barbeques, my wife, and video gaming. Pretty simple guy... On the forums strategies are slim pickings right now, mostly because the game is new (and in beta). When the forums grow, game is released, etc, good luck finding the good strategies throug the ****. Have you seen the four pages of strategy? There are less than 10 good guides, and out of those only 5 that are realistic situations.

And you ask "why", it's simple, I love it. And people know where to look for the good stuff.

[`quiCk_pwN]

People are just jealous of your websites and wish they had thought of them first.

But I still think you're a dick.

[Hooby]

Good job trying to expand the community and show some enthusiasm for this game, Hunter.

I'm glad you aren't listening to these people trying to discourage you...I don't see why people suddenly turn all mad simply because you are trying to create a site to forward the cause of a game they like..

Oh well..I for one am glad for this effort you are going to. I like this site's design. Keep it up, hunter! :)


Your sig goes perfectly with this message.

Also.

What he said.

[DrRisan]

Parts of the NDA has been lifted (not the media one), so this should be fine. No offense, but looks like Hunter_ is trying to be THE network site for HoN related stuff in the future. On a business matter you are and will do it good if the pace persists, you have to be ego and think more creative than others to success, right? ;)


I like the site, as the time goes on the sites "design" will be the least of our problems, I'm sure Hunter_ or other peoples can get a better design if necessary in the future, first it needs content!

[Coffeeholic]

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/8250/iconjokereat.gif

[KARTlK]

...nerd rage...I am passionate about gaming...

The best part is, those two sentences were right next to each other! There should be a Highlights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highlights_for_Children) for Hunter_'s posts: Spot the hypocrisy.


...genuine question...

Good luck getting Hunter_ to answer that one in a real way.

[Dux0r]

Good luck getting Hunter_ to answer that one in a real way.

I hope he does answer some of these questions tbh. This is not a flame or "nerd rage".

1) Why do you think splitting the community will be a good idea instead of keeping everyone in one place (for the time being, it is inevitable that smaller communities will be created after launch), I can understand you wanting to get the foundations in place so you are ready when the time comes, but you honestly can't think the community needs or is ready for anything you are offering yet?

2) What do your leagues and competitions have to offer in the world of e-sports, have you ever run a large scale lan event or online tournament with a decent prize pool? Or will you simply be offering a play for fun league? If so what does it offer that players wont be able to find at more established free leagues like esl, clanbase, gamebattles etc. Or are you simply going to be oiffering a pickup service, similar to what Multiplay offers for a ton of games already?

3) Why are you making multiple HoN sites which seem to be quite poor (fair enough if you have just started work on them) instead of just focusing all of your efforts into one site, thus giving it more potential to succeed?

4) Am I misunderstanding the word "in-house", surely when you say you are running in-house leagues that means that you own the rights to the game or something along those lines? Like the leagues blizzard run for wc3, they are in-house, anything run by outside groups isn't in-house? Please correct me on this if I'm wrong :)


We all want HoN to be great, and no one seems to be saying directly "don't do your thing", some seem to have little faith that you can do anything worthwhile, but why not just take in their criticism, answer questions and reassure people. Show and explain to people what you plan to do and why its a good thing, if comunity building really is your strength then surely this should be an easy task for you?

[HunteR_]

I hope he does answer some of these questions tbh. This is not a flame or "nerd rage".


1) Why do you think splitting the community will be a good idea instead of keeping everyone in one place (for the time being, it is inevitable that smaller communities will be created after launch), I can understand you wanting to get the foundations in place so you are ready when the time comes, but you honestly can't think the community needs or is ready for anything you are offering yet?

There is a very big difference between the average player, and the competitive player. My goal with the HoN League and HoN Strategy is for the improvement of play, and offering a place for them to play (HoN League) and to learn/contribute advanced strategies (HoN Strategy).


2) What do your leagues and competitions have to offer in the world of e-sports, have you ever run a large scale lan event or online tournament with a decent prize pool? Or will you simply be offering a play for fun league? If so what does it offer that players wont be able to find at more established free leagues like esl, clanbase, gamebattles etc. Or are you simply going to be oiffering a pickup service, similar to what Multiplay offers for a ton of games already?

I was CAL Admin for DotA, I've worked with icefrog himself on setting up rules for tournaments, leagues, and competitions. I also still run the largest DotA inhouse League on battle.net with over 6,000 active players. I am also helping HoN become officially recognized with e-sports organizations, some of which you have already mentioned. I'm also working with S2 to establish integrated league mechanics based very much off of my league (DXD LEAGUE) for you guys to start your own leagues. And yes, I have ran very large tournaments, unfortunately due to the limitations of DotA to break free of the "custom map" entirety, the sponsors always seem to fall short. I've had some good tournaments, and I've had some bad tournaments, but tournaments none the less.


3) Why are you making multiple HoN sites which seem to be quite poor (fair enough if you have just started work on them) instead of just focusing all of your efforts into one site, thus giving it more potential to succeed?

I am an ADHD type thinker, I have an idea, i roll with it, and see if I end up liking it. My HoN Sites all have a purpose, HoN League being for the league, HoN Strategy being for the strategy site, and HoN Forums... well that's self explanatory.


4) Am I misunderstanding the word "in-house", surely when you say you are running in-house leagues that means that you own the rights to the game or something along those lines? Like the leagues blizzard run for wc3, they are in-house, anything run by outside groups isn't in-house? Please correct me on this if I'm wrong

Sure, let me explain to you. In DotA, like HoN, there are sub-communities. Usually the skilled players form clans, teams, and play competitively. The role of HoN League will be an embodiment for players of higher skill levels to collaborate and play amongst each other. Currently we have a group of 40-50 players that inhouse (Play together) all day. When S2 finishes the inhouse mechanics we've been working on players will be able to be matched up by skill level in the league (public stats mean nothing in high level play). Players will also have the ability to challenge other players like we do currently in HoN League, except official and you can pick available players from the League channel to play on your team against an opponent and more. I do the same thing currently in DotA with my "DotA eXtreme Domination (DXD) League". I have also brought some big dota figures from past, like the original creator of arguably the best DotA league there ever was (IHCS) to help in the development of HoN League.


We all want HoN to be great, and no one seems to be saying directly "don't do your thing", some seem to have little faith that you can do anything worthwhile, but why not just take in their criticism, answer questions and reassure people. Show and explain to people what you plan to do and why its a good thing, if comunity building really is your strength then surely this should be an easy task for you?

The real reason Dux0r is because there is nothing I can say to solve their problem. Their problem isn't with me, it runs much deeper than that. There is nothing I could say to convince otherwise, so I'll just do.

If you would like to work beside me to help with HoN Strategy let me know, I would be interested to see some of your guides in the past.

I hope this answered your questions and concerns,

Jeff "HunteR_" Hunter

[Fallout]

PS: He's already said he was given prior permission to post what he did.

If you're referring to the posting of my guide, then no he wasn't. He PM'ed me TODAY, informing me that he was using it.

To be honest though, I really don't care. The guide itself was nothing special and I'm sure anyone with 30 minutes to spare could write one on the same level or better. Hunter_, feel free to use the guide, however I would appreciate it if you took my name off of it.

I can respect the fact that you're very passionate about what you do, and it's great for people to have ambitions, I just don't like the work you've done. As said by Kaution, it looks very amateurish. I wont try to discourage you from doing what you love; I just don't want to be a part of it.

[HunteR_]

I will remove your guide, I would not want to embarass you by having your guide on the "amateurish" site.

I'm sorry you don't like it. I'll be posting our own guides up soon, don't take it the wrong way Fallout, Your guide was nice, but it was put up as an example. By the way, because you received the PM today, doesn't mean I sent it today. Thanks.

[DoubleNeg]

Thanks for signing your post, and then having your name again in your sig. Not that I would have figured out who posted it by your username...

All glory to the MOAB master.

[HunteR_]

http://homepage.mac.com/aurich/ars/locks/feed_trolls.gif

[TurpinoS]

forrrrrrrrget it

[RPZip]

I will remove your guide, I would not want to embarass you by having your guide on the "amateurish" site.

I'm sorry you don't like it. I'll be posting our own guides up soon, don't take it the wrong way Fallout, Your guide was nice, but it was put up as an example. By the way, because you received the PM today, doesn't mean I sent it today. Thanks.

It honestly doesn't matter when you sent the PM. You can't just take someone's guide, block and copy it and then let them know what you're doing; you have to, you know, actually ask them and get their permission first or you're just stealing their work.

I had to deal with this crap a lot when I was writing guides for WoW, and it's just not cool. If you want to use someone else's work, great! Ask first, and get permission. Don't just assume that it's okay.

[Kwaurtz]

I'd be willing to contribute to your website, without feeding trolls of course.