2.0.19 Patch Notes

[Idejder]

Installer Download Link: http://dl.heroesofnewerth.com/HoNClient-2.0.19.exe

Version 2.0.19
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- Added Rainbow Rampage
* Unicorn Rampage was the Community Alt Avatar Contest Winner. We have heard your suggestions and have made an alternate version of the alternate avatar: enter Rainbow Rampage. With more color and more effects, we hope this is what the community was looking for.
* All players who purchased Unicorn Rampage will have Rainbow Rampage added to their account
* Moving forward, you will be able to purchase either Unicorn Rampage or Rainbow Rampage from the Goblin Store

- Added Heart Japan Account Icon
* With 10% of the revenue from the double coin promotion going to the Red Cross for Japan Earthquake Relief Efforts, we have added the Heart Japan account icon to the Store for people to be able to show their support
* This item is a Premium item that only costs 25 gold coins and is intended to show your thoughts are with those in Japan
* The S2 Staff sends its thoughts and prayers to those affected by this disaster and thanks the HoN community for their overwhelming support for the people of Japan.

Version 2.0.18
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- Reverted creep stacking mechanism to allow for 2 stacks (3 camps total)
* The change was mistakenly patched into the retail client. We are, however, considering such a change as part of a package of changes aimed at shifting the focus of play away from funneling all of a team's resources into one carry.

Version 2.0.17
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- New Alternate Avatar for Rampage: Unicorn Rampage!
* Community Alt Avatar Contest Winner, suggested by Kalium.

- Added a Channeling Bar for heroes with channeling abilities

- Ancient creeps now have 5.5 Magic Armor
* The Dragon Master no longer has Magic Immune, but has 10 Magic Armor

- Fixed shop item tooltips not showing bonuses from modifiers (e.g. Logger's Hatchet, Mystic Vestments)
- Changed the logic of neutral creeps to only use their abilities when there are a number of visible enemy player controlled units instead of just enemy units around them
* This means that they will not use their abilities on lane creeps

- Added order disjoint to creeps that Ophelia (and Whispering Helm) gains control of so they dont mess with other controlled units actions
- Fixed up some of the stringtables
- Fixed an issue that could cause creeps to skip towers very occasionally (when dragged away from the lane at strange angles)

Kongor
- Can no longer be attacked from outside of his lair even with Savage Mace
- Fixed his lair to clean up the places you could attack him from outside


== Items ==

- The following items' Attack effects will no longer propagate to illusions
* Icebrand
* Frostburn
* Shieldbreaker
* Frostwolf's Skull
* Nullfire Blade

:AssassinShroud: Assassin's Shroud
- Fixed it so that it procs when other projectile-based attack modifiers (Harkon's Blade/Arachna/Vindicator) are used

:Brutalizer: Brutalizer
- Fixed Brutalizer so that it doesn't waste Bubbles' Take Cover
- Optimized some script

:Doombringer: Doombringer
- Cleaned up some scripting

:FrostwolfsSkull: Frostwolf Skull
- Optimized scripting
- Fixed it so it won't make buildings glow blue

:GeometersBane: Geometer's Bane
- Recipe cost reduced from 1200 to 800

:Halberd: Halberd
- Optimized scripting
- Fixed it so the damage popup shows above the target, not the attacking hero
- Made it nonlethal against allied units when Puppet Show'd

:HomecomingStone: Homecoming Stone
- Optimized some scripting
- Fixed an issue where if you sold your Homecoming Stone while channeling, it'll leave a state that lasts until you die/next teleport is used

:PostHaste: Post Haste
- Optimized the scripting

:RingOfTheTeacher: Ring of the Teacher
- Made its toggle not interrupt channeling

:SavageMace: Savage Mace
- Fixed Savage Mace to not own Bubbles' Take Cover

:stri: Striders
- Optimized scripting slightly

:VoidTalisman: Void Talisman
- Anyone under the effect of Void Talisman can now be attacked and all attacks except for Magic-based ones are negated


== Heroes ==

Aluna
- Deja Vu
* Unitwalking & shadow slow moved to regular form
* Boosted Deja Vu will now cause Aluna to slow any units she runs through (in addition to shadow also slowing)
- Emerald Red
* Manacost lowered from 150 to 75/100/125
* Now uses only 1 charge on use instead of all charges
* Added 0.5 sec cd to skill

:andr: Andromeda
- Units hit by her stun will now animate properly after it wears off
- Made her Dimensional Link toggle not interrupt channeling and work on invulnerable units

:arac: Arachna
- Made her Precision toggle not interrupt channeling and work on invulnerable units

:arma: Armadon
- Touched up the scripting on his Armordillo

:chip: Chipper
- Sawblade Showdown cooldown increased from 50 to 65 seconds

:chro: Chronos
- Fixed his Curse of Ages to work with Bubbles' Take Cover
- Fixed enemy units play idle animation after being Stunned

:damp: Dampeer
- Optimized scripting slightly
- Made his Vampiric Flight impact the main target when he is 60 units away instead of on top of them
* This stops him being inside of someone when he has unitwalking
- His aura will now affect invulnerable allies correctly

:dead: Deadwood
- Optimized the scripting in his skills

:devo: Devourer
- Guttling Hook will no longer grab people on the way back

Empath
- Fixed her Essence Link so it successfully heals someone you are inside if they are moving quickly (Magmus stun, etc)

:fayd: Fayde
- Fixed the interation between Reflection and things like Harkon's Blade
- Tweaked the scripting slightly

:flin: Flint Beastwood
- Fixed his Hollowpoint Shells to work with Bubbles' Take Cover

:gaun: Gauntlet
- Optimized his Grapple and Enfeeble
- Optimized his Gauntlet Blast and fixed a spelling derp
- Gauntlet Blast will now dispel targets before the damage is dealt

:glad: Gladiator
- Call to Arms will no longer deal damage to dead (or just rezzed) people who died under it's effects

:hamm: Hammerstorm
- Made his Mighty Swing toggle not interrupt channeling

:jera: Jeraziah
- Made his Righteous Aura toggle not interrupt channeling

:krak: Kraken
- Fixed Splash to interact with Unbreakable correctly

:legi: Legionnaire
- Terrifying Charge bonus speed from 100/150/200/250 to 100/150/200/500
- Fixed a projectile was only for art affecting gameplay in corner cases
- Fixed Taunt so that if enemies are taunted in fog, they will attack Legionnaire
- Optimized his Terrifying Charge and Decapitate

:madm: Madman
- +1 second to the cooldown of all levels of Stalk
- Fixed rare super long Barrel Roll

:mage: Magebane
- Made his Master of the Mantra toggle not interrupt channeling
- Fixed a damage popup bug with Mana Rift
* Now shows the correct popup value on the target

:moon: Moon Queen
- Made her Lunar Glow toggle not interrupt channeling and working on invulnerable allies
- Optimized Multi-Strike attack's scripting

:myrm: Myrmidon
- Int growth lowered from 3.2 to 2.9
- Wave Form range lowered from 1000 to 850

:ophe: Ophelia
- Optimized Ophelia's Judgement and fixed the state application time to be accurate in time length before the port
- Optimized Ophelia's Touch tags

:pand: Pandamonium
- Fixed enemy units play idle animation after being a victim of Face Smash

:pebb: Pebbles
- Fixed his Chuck to interact with Unbreakable correctly

:pest: Pestilence
- Fixed his Gore from triggering Bubbles' Take Cover

:phar: Pharaoh
- Fixed Hellfire so it does the correct number of pulses
* Was doing one too few
- Range of the Wall of Mummies pushback/manaburn lowered from 200 to 150

:pupp: Puppet Master
- Optimized Puppet Show scripting
- Optimized Whiplash; now uses a timer instead of onframe condition

:ramp: Rampage
- Optimized some tags of the Stampede
- Fixed the Stampede to prevent it from bugging out sometimes and not pushing the enemy
- Fixed his Horned Strike from triggering Bubbles' Take Cover
- Optimized some tags in the The Chains That Bind

:scou:Scout
- Fixed Marksman Shot to have a correct buffer range (was 100 too short)
- Optimized Vanish

:soulr: Soul Reaper
- Made Withering Pressence toggle not interrupt channeling

:swif: Swiftblade
- Can no longer crit from Way of the Sword while using Blade Frenzy

:tort: Torturer
- Chain Reaction stun from 2s flat to 1.25/1.5/1.75/2s
- Cleaned up Torment scripting

:tund: Tundra
- Optimized Piercing Shards and Call of Winter
- Made his Cold Shoulder not sometimes put him in a random position relative to the enemy
- Made his Avalanche speed faster to speed up when the push happens

:vind: Vindicator
- Optimized Glyph of Silence
- Made Final Chapter go through invulnerability

:wild: Wildsoul
- Optimized a tag in Bear Root
- Made Booboo's deniable percent to 10% from 50%

:witc: Witch Slayer
- Fixed a bug that caused him to gain mana even if the target had none

:zeph: Zephyr
- Cyclones will heal the same amount (30) if they expire or are used
- Fixed Zephyr spawning Cyclones on enemy corpses if he kills stuff while dead

* Optimizations don't affect gameplay, it's to make the servers use less resources for those skills while retaining their effects.

[Empleon]

primero

[Akalam]

Awesome!

[vgr]

Unicrooon!

[ShammySham]

Awesome!

[Teboga]

yay!!!

Edit: And SW is now useless, I hope you are all happy

[Ginchan]

sweet

[BigLew]

baller

[Rampage]

BALLS

[ReDM3n]

da best

[Big_Chief]

NOOO NULLFIREEEEE NERFFFFFFFF.... awwwww

valk will be displeased =(

[MsPotatoHead]

wtf does optimize script mean

[BigLew]

:GeometersBane: Geometer's Bane
- Recipe cost reduced from 1200 to 800

What? Why change it to 1200 then 800 the item is to good to be 800 leave it at 1200 or 1000, 400 was to cheap tho

[Bijata]

Nice one! oO

[Schirokko]

My Nullfire D:

[Evil_Andrex]

Horray UNICORN STAMPEDE!

[xmangosx]

It's crashing are you fuking serious!??

[jshik]

whoa big patch

[painkiller`]

Epic :devo: nerf is epic. <3 S2!

[RandomKnight]

S2 doing spring cleaning on hon's "scripts" eh

[Izual]

Ninja.

[kowalewicz]

Wow. Awful Devourer change. Really.

[MrBojangl3s]

LOL WHAT patch noeess

[Testingrani]

Thank you for the patch, S2. :)

[jshik]

They lowered Geometer's bane to 800 bc it was indirectly nerfed when the illusions no longer get effects of nullfire/frost/shieldbreaker, etc. etc.

[Xristosx]

Looks like i wont be getting portal key on devo anymore >_>

[Gorescream]

Bunch of script optimizing, looks like you hired a new guy eh?
Buy him a pint for me, will ya?

[vexxes]

Cool.

[AstralVoid]

Nullfire no longer giving bonuses to illusions? That's silly. The others I can understand.

[Anderbad]

Good patch.

[ktz0r]

Devo nerfs. Haters gonna hate. But WELL DONE, HE DESERVED IT!

[Milkfat]

gay devo nerf

[SmurfyBrown]

first page like a boss

[RagingBantha]

****
my
life
such a awesome patch
thanks s2
<3 you.

[Decatf]

OMG. y u nerf :tort:? :(

[Zennousha]

Geo took another hit. Sure the price was dropped but now nothing propagates but damage.

Still, best part of the patch has to go to "Guttling Hook will no longer grab people on the way back".

**** yes. That **** annoyed me to no end.

[ScizorLizard]

Agreed with the Devo nerf. I like all the changes except for nullfire not propogating to illusions.

[lDaRkNeSsl]

hum expected nerfs but alch bones still rigged

[sice]

:GeometersBane: Geometer's Bane
- Recipe cost reduced from 1200 to 800

What? Why change it to 1200 then 800 the item is to good to be 800 leave it at 1200 or 1000, 400 was to cheap tho

Because it isn't as good with the change to illusions?

Biggest nerf on SW ever. May aswell make mirage not apply attack modifiers at all.

[Kohun]

wow what a nerf to dev

[NvZn]

can you tell us wtf scripting is

[sxc]

- Ancient creeps now have 5.5 Magic Armor
* The Dragon Master is no longer Magic Immune, but has 10 Magic Armor

so is S2 trying to make each match last about 20 mins or something?

PRO PATCH

[xmangosx]

change to geo bane again lolz

[wza]

the sw nerf is huge. No more frostwolf skull on that guy. No more wait a second. No more anything on that guy wow hes trash now

[indivision]

still no :dead: nerf?!??
omg

:S

he kan 1 shot any1 at level 6......

[Callisto]

Just awesome nerf on dev! <3

[Taiya]

The rampage alt is extremely disappointing. The fact that you dont see a rainbow or any kind of glow until you're full speed in charge and that it's also practically invisible and very unnoticeable is just sad.

[wtsf]

:devo: Devourer
- Guttling Hook will no longer grab people on the way back


Oh noes!

[link1313]

does those item nerfs work with sand wraiths ult?

because if so, they just turned him from the most over powered hero ever into something useless.

those illusions doing mana burn damage / frostwulf effects to their entire team was beyond imbalanced

[sCYTHOs]

Disappointing patch, 90% is server code/optimize **** that doesn't even matter to the players.
The other changes are disappointing especially the devo change. No more hooking someone behind creeps like a pro!

[Decatf]

Soul Reapers alt is riding a little pony compared to the unicorn.



and yeah...what's with the fluff in the changelog? Most of it is redundant. Make toggleable skills not break channelling. Script crap. S2 is trying to hide the huge SW nerf and other wtf changes.

[WinD_1nside]

All I can say is....

REALLY?!

I can understand everything else, but why nullfire.

The 36 mana doesn't mean as much as you think it does from one hero, and almost made it staple that whenever you picked up nullfire, that you pick up a geo's to follow.

Incase you don't know, most (If not ALL) orb effects do not transfer to illusions.

[Ultimate]

Was it necessary to have the orbs not propagate to illusions? Sand Wraith is now never going to get nullfire blade.

[Ginchan]

heh valkyrie guide 2 days prior to this patch:

the illusions from geo bane also gain the mana combustion modifier
learn to communicate, you work for the same company fyi

[Good_Apollo]

So S2 said that stacking Alch Bones was an oversight, so they didn't fix it. And thanks for making Geos completely useless.

[Surtr52]

The devourer nerf is massive.

It won't last, no way no how.

[CHerIsh10vE]

love the dev nerf

[Zpredator]

bravo

[IGaNkNuBz]

why would you nerf the devourer so hard !!!

[Kohun]

love the dev nerf


really? now noobs wont use his hook even more just ult and decay

[Hate]

Like the devo nerf. Should have to hit them on the first shot.

[Mr_Rogers]

Another sad sad patch, no real changes, just a few unneeded nurfs. Alt avatar really needed some more time. It looks very rushed and unpolished. Oh well at least scouts ult got fixed, although 100 doesn't seem right but whatever.

[orbitalx]

1. Removing Nullfire from images is hella stupid. It has been that way since it was first created, very disappointed about this. (Images are completely useless these days)

2. Changing Devours hook was stupid also. If its coming back and you run into it.. you really think it would not grab you. This is just common sense.

3. The swift blade change is also stupid.

4. Disappointed in Unicorn Rampage. Sure the unicorn looks ok.. but you made 0 changes to rampage himself. Pretty lack luster if you ask me.

The optimizing is cool for better performance.. but over all I am pretty disappointed in this patch. S2 doing their own thing and changing a bunch of things that does not need changed again. This is why your company is going down hill and why you will lose this moba war in the end.

[Hurfdurf]

This patch broked my game :(

[link1313]

someone test the sand wraith ult items , i cant believe its for those too

[Voxar]

Anyone under the effect of Void Talisman can now be attacked and all attacks except for Magic-based ones are negated
So does this mean bashes will proc? (chrono, pesti, savage mace, etc)

[TheVendetta]

I love how people think you should be hitting a hook the first time, when people can easily plan on hitting it on the way back in order to not hit creeps, etc.

Boo to that Dev nerf, boo indeed.

[Cyann]

quick someone test armadon

[Kumadori]

They should think about changing useless spelltalents like:
:fors: - Split Shot
:hamm: - In-buildt Runed axe
:magm: - His passive attack
:mage: - Mantra

Some ppl might find these viable, but to me (and what I see competitive) they are most useless. You wouldnt skill them before stats. Only low-psr pubs do that.

And I want SOTM on Blacksmith, making his multicastchance higher all-around + adding a 5 x multicast. His beard will shine.

[Berger]

They should think about changing useless spelltalents like:
:fors: - Split Shot
:hamm: - In-buildt Runed axe
:magm: - His passive attack
:mage: - Mantra

Some ppl might find these viable, but to me (and what I see competitive) they are most useless. You wouldnt skill them before stats. Only low-psr pubs do that.

And I want SOTM on Blacksmith, making his multicastchance higher all-around + adding a 5 x multicast. His beard will shine.

FYI split-shot is often picked up competively, it makes FA a farming monster

[Denis]

Goodbye Sandwraith...

[DarklingggFJ]

Why the **** did they nerf Chipper??

[Volume]

Why was Engineer not buffed AGAIN.

[Reldnahc]

Ugggh, this is rather... disappointing.

[Qter]

Seriously S2 test your shitty patch before release. Sigh... ****ing broke my game also.

...Thanks

[Dark_Kevin]

:Halberd: Halberd
- Optimized scripting
- Fixed it so the damage popup shows above the target, not the attacking hero
- Made it nonlethal against allied units when Puppet Show'd

..Huh?

[oceanpollen]

Condensed patch notes:

Some bug fixes and optimizations.

Myrm now stupider and less blinky. GJ defecting from Legion, Mrym.

Torturer must now skill his stun up to stun as hard as before.

Just because Legio can't see you, doesn't mean he can't piss you off.

Devo's sticky frog's-tongue removed; replaced with hook.

Latina Superstar less of a pain to play. No buff to voicework.

Pharoah's freakish-long-limbed mummies replaced with normal-limbed mummies. Pharoah himself somehow even more unpleasant to stand next to.

FWS nerfed into the ground, into the ground. Don't buy it anymore; you can no longer slow buildings.

Sandwraith now a completely useless trash hero due to loss of many illusion procs? Prediction: complainers will weirdly not pick Forsaken Archer in his stead.

[Mistweaver]

yay useless torturer is back!
:|

Its me or this patch sucks?

[IsmaelVera]

Look at that :tort: nerf...

Fck outta here S2 rlly?

K2 Exception at patching, please help :(

[Olution]

I agree with the Dev nerf in general, but I think that you should be able to hook people on the way back for the first 150 or so units of travel (so that people can hook you from behind creeps if they're good enough, but won't be able to hook you in those chase situations where they completely miss their hook).

[KingsRight]

swiftblade was fine and so was devourer. devourer's hook-grabs were really cool on the way back because there was a 2nd level of strategy if you missed because it allowed you to redirect him to possibly catch the guy on the way back.

so now he's a little more bland it seems.

[BattleHungeR]

finally!

[Shortround]

what does the new alt avatar for unicorn rampage come with? i find it stupid how your specials page doesnt allow us to view the details. ie; new texture, new sound? new animation? what does it come with?

[CSDragon]

Edit: Never mind. I'm good. Mod issues.



Anyway. FINALLY A BUFF TO MQ. I love you guys! Too bad it's so tiny. She still needs a nice buff to be competitively viable.

[Canis_Iupus]

Nice patch. :D

[CrashBashL]

i wonder what will the TOURNAMENT guys will say about the indirect SandWraith nerf.

[TrialMonster]

in the thread: optimizing

[Xanu]

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i349/AndreasGranato/FixesFixesEverywhere.png

[Mantis_Blade]

:GeometersBane: Geometer's Bane
- Recipe cost reduced from 1200 to 800

What? Why change it to 1200 then 800 the item is to good to be 800 leave it at 1200 or 1000, 400 was to cheap tho

^this

why buff? it was fine.

[Jacky]

Many people are complaining about the Dev nerf. Lots of bads who need a second chance to land a hook rofl.

Most people landing hooks on the way back were accidental. It was pathetic to watch and I'm so glad this BUG has been fixed.

[Toxyn]

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i349/AndreasGranato/FixesFixesEverywhere.png

lawld

[MsPotatoHead]

^this

why buff? it was fine.

read the whole thing retard

[St0l3n_ID]

Neat :)

Channeling bar was taken from the mod?

[Kohun]

^this

why buff? it was fine.


because now orbs dont go to the allusions

[Kudryavka]

This makes up for 2.0.14. Good job, S2. I approve heartily.


^this

why buff? it was fine.
It was actually nerfed really hard. I'd pay 400 extra gold for FW skull illusions any day.

[W1nch3st35]

hmm ok patch but expected more though maby a new hero ?:)
Love aluna but give us more pls :D

[Anakha]

So what happened to that Alchemist Bones oversight?

[TimEnchanter]

heh valkyrie guide 2 days prior to this patch:

"the illusions from geo bane also gain the mana combustion modifier "

learn to communicate, you work for the same company fyi


THIS. S2 just published an outdated guide. Ms.Pudding's gonna be pissed about it

[Kumadori]

FYI split-shot is often picked up competively, it makes FA a farming monster

Well, in all games I have seen with FA, they dont get it until lvl 22... Sure, it makes farming somewhat easier, but not at lvl 10.

[Cyann]

Neat :)

Channeling bar was taken from the mod?

Not sure if there are more channeling bar mods, but the one I have doesn't look like S2's. Although it really doesn't matter.

[`Simplicity]

apparently whenever i try to update the game keeps crashing (k2 exception etcetc) and happens at all updates but last time someone posted the client separately so i was able to play but can u tell me what is wrong with my hon? D:

[Dramatica]

- Made Booboo's deniable percent to 10% from 50% :D

[iPodTouch]

devo nerf weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :3

[ElementUser]

So what happened to that Alchemist Bones oversight?

Bugfix too unstable, needs a better solution

[Mr_Rogers]

This is a bad patch s2 and you should feel bad for putting it out.

[SheVeeN]

S2 so bad. LMAO.

[Wallabo]

WHEN I TRY TO UPDATE THE PATCH ON BOTH MY COMPUTERS THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS

Ello sir u wanta new patch update?

Yes pl0x

Freezes and HoN is no longer responding

Either :glac: is trolling me or your patch has ****ed alot of people up. Including 2 other posts on these forums and some of my friends.

Also what a fail guide you released before on valk regarding modifiers stacking through illusions. If Sand wraith is ever picked again i will be very suprised.

[LostraC]

R.I.P
:sand:
:NullfireBlade:
:FrostwolfsSkull:
:GeometersBane:

lame patch, really.

[Zesbeer]

SEE SIG.

[C00KIEMONSTA]

Rampage isn't a rainbow unicorn. Disappoint.

[Affliction]

I don't know about the rest of you guys but I think Unicorn Rampage is to heterosexual... Where are all the rainbows and ****? Why doesn't Always from Erasure play when I charge someone with rainbow streams following my path of destruction! S2 I love you guys, but you really flopped on this avatar : (


Always I wanna be with you, and make believe with you....

[tropicaza]

SEE SIG.

1354.

Really, patch is fine. I do think Nullfire needs to propagate on illusions...all the others I don't mind. Every carry in competitive HoN that's ranged will 9/10 get Geo's at one point or another. Devo's hook is fine to nerf...if any real pro Pudge DotA player came over here he'd stomp house with Devo, really.

@People saying Tort is useless. He has never been useless, but when you increase his cast-point AND make the stun static...everyone knows it's overpowered. You realize this when you see comp teams immediately ban/pick up a hero as soon as he's changed. I think he's in a decent place now.

One thing I would like to see is Blood Chalice getting proper sum of its parts. Currently, the scarab regen is lost when you make it.

[redeyesjacob]

i forgot does lifesteal or harken blade work with sand wraith ulti?

and about SW 80% disipade at lvl 2???

[Supremenexo]

There goes my fav hero, SW... :(

[Pikadort]

good patch

nerf tort, nerf chipper, nerf myrm. buff aluna. also nerf frostwolf. these were all necessary

much better patch than last time. why is everyone complaining

[Foul]

good patch

nerf tort, nerf chipper, nerf myrm. buff aluna. also nerf frostwolf. these were all necessary

much better patch than last time. why is everyone complaining

People like their favourite op heroes.

Nice patch.

[foxmindedguy]

Worst ****ing patch ever..

You know, s2, when you make us wait with promises like Fayde and Engineer are being looked at. We assume that when you take 2+ weeks, we will see major changes with them. But I guess we have to wait yet another month in hopes that such reworks go through.

But other than that, good nerfs to some really over the top heroes.

[gambler]

I didn't understand the Vind buff, when all he needs is a nerf in his passive silence.

[AgentSmith]

Holy ****, huge patch!
pretty decent patch overall! although now Sand Wraith is effectively USELESS haha. Only change i don't like.
also unicorn rampage is pretty rubbish.... haha but oh well, you can't please 'em all!
Good job S2 =)

[Zwox]

What's up with all the complaints?
This is great.

[FFarmer]

All the noobs who keep saying OMG WHY GEO BUFF have to understand that geometers bane gone MASSIVELY nerfed this patch

[dejori]

Biggest nerf on SW ever. May aswell make mirage not apply attack modifiers at all.
It doesn't anymore.

[Gwydion]

Devourer
- Guttling Hook will no longer grab people on the way back

Guess it was only a matter of time, so long Devourer.

[webs7er]

:madm::devo::tort::swif:

I am dissapoint!

[`qubit]

Good patch, actually surprised by how useful the channel bar is.

Also hilarious competitive commentary from the <1600 crowd. Keep it up.

Some quick notes on large changes:

Aluna changes: Yes, good, less clunky to play and more useful. Also channel bar adds ALOT to this hero.
Illusion changes: Sure, frostwolf and geos was pretty retarded, but this is going to take a while to rebalance.
Devo change: Sure, I guess. Return hooks are more or less a rarity but he could use a little kick in the nuts to how effective a hero he is.

Other changes mostly small but good. Decent patch but I see alot of flame over illusion effects in the future.

[esT_aLKA]

It doesn't anymore.

whatever, it forces him into the mock/tank build route
which was always the better choice anyways, the press R to win after 30 mins is still there.

[The0ch0]

Holy crap does anybody know how much of a huge buff :legi: got, void talisman will now be core on him just for the fact that u can portal key in a group of 5 with creep wave, taunt, pop void, and let the other team attack you for no damage while u proc axe for 5 seconds worth of attacks or more.

[isolated]

Ooooo another mod I can disable now.

:devo: Devourer
- Guttling Hook will no longer grab people on the way back
gggggggggggggggg

[Genrou]

Great patch, I'd like to see how much the illusions nerf will change competitively for ranged carries now.

And, to all QQers about devou nerf. LOL you must suck at hooking.

[dEph_]

Cool stuff..still waiting for some Fayde love tho, illusion back on Reflection please! =)

[Wolfrar]

Well, SW is dead thats for sure. Not sure how the new changes to modifiers will affect ranged carries. Return of charged hammer anyone?

[YaO_]

nice patch
devo needed this nerf
about sw i dont think he'll become useless his passive still work on illu


and ingeneer need to be rework plsssssssss

[Wankerjoe]

Epic :devo: nerf is epic. <3 S2!

It's a fix. Now keknoobs won't be able to luck hook, yay!


Also, dear S2... if you were wanking around Jera, why not make his damn spikes 3d? D:

[Xempler]

Stop complaining, this isn't a bad patch.

Lol at all the complaints at the :devo: change, it was stupid with the backwards hook TBH.

Yes Geo's was nerfed but then again it allows for more variety with hero items compared with the usual: Frostburn->Geos->Frostwolf.

:tort: might have been a nerf, but still not as bad as before.

[STing_]

myrm too strong of a laner, I agree
and the chipper nerf wasn't too bad, 15 seconds is almost nothing

[GhettoJesus]

I like the changes. One thing i've noticed is no-one has mentioned magebane geo :O

Void Talisman is now a nice item good for casters and iniators. Someone said what if legion pk's taunts and uses it. Well deserved if they clump up like that against a legion with a pk. The minus magic armor will make him gibbable to most casters if he screws up so it's a fair trade + 4 second duration will rule out his armor so really it isn't much. And you wont want to use it right after taunt wears off either

[Zm0r]

Nice, but we will obviously need to petition for
Frostwolf Skull
- Fixed it so it won't make buildings glow blue
That was like the coolest thing!!! I WANTS IT BACK!

Oh, and devo's hook not catching people on the way back? Are you serious? 20% of my catches are on the way back! (shoot it past a creep, activate boots, run in the direction enemy hero is at, ????, profit!) like srsly, that sux.

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:devo: Devourer
- Guttling Hook will no longer grab people on the way back


http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae246/GhostInAShell/funny/clap.gif

[Wallabo]

^lol'd

[SayNoToNWO]

Very dissapointing patch. I dont even want to play this game anymore. Did too many little boys and girls cry about devos hook catching them on the way back? Learn to maneuver better kids. Very very dissapointing changes, and of course deadwood still hasn't been nerfed. This is very frustrating.
IM SO !@#$%^& PISSED !!!!!!!!!!

[JeDaH]

:devo: Devourer
- Guttling Hook will no longer grab people on the way back

really??

Sucks :(

[Fido]

woot nice patch

scout is fixed!! time to walk the road of vengence

[Dark_Kratos]

Come on why u guys fuc*ed with dev ????

[ArcAngel4yk]

Devo changing? And you're complaining?. Mmmm, DoTa. Pudge didn't do that, neither does Devo need to, bravo.
Unicorn Rampage?
Why don't you just take his ballsack while you're at it, the guy is a hard@$$ for a reason.

[SkunkRat]

WHEN I TRY TO UPDATE THE PATCH ON BOTH MY COMPUTERS THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS
Freezes and HoN is no longer responding


Mine is OK - but another computer in the house doesnt work - for some reason every time a new patch comes out - we have to download the whole game and re-install.

Also, as at the time of writing the current version for download from the site is...

http://dl.heroesofnewerth.com/HoNClient-2.0.15.exe

For anyone having issues, you can get version 2.0.17 here...

http://dl.heroesofnewerth.com/HoNClient-2.0.17.exe

PS My view is that Dev's hook is a good nerf.

[Xempler]

Don't know why people are complaining about no Deadwood nerf.

If he was any good, he would be seen at least once in the competitive scene (which he hasn't). Just learn to ward and he is practically rendered useless. Unless of course your a lowbie/baddy and don't ward.

[Phosis]

Crash after update :/
Help!?

[COLD_TEETH]

Change devo back or im uninstalling

[GhettoJesus]

how the hell can 50% of posts in this topic be whining about dev hook return nerf. It's a tiny tiny nerf on a still v.strong kick ass hero. It's not a matter of flukes or practice, it's a matter of balance. Taking str away from dev without nerfing any stats/ranges should be seen as a good thing. Or would u guys really rather have less dmg on hook + ulti or nerfed rot, they've tweeked the balls out of his passive skill so many times it's no wonder they're trying something else.

[OrangeJuice]

Devourer deserved that nerf. Sand Wraith probably won't be picked much anymore with all those nerfs on him and Geometer's Bane.

[Bohogony`]

i leik

[Zm0r]

his passive TWEAKED? Srsly now, they removed str gain from creeps, they REDUCED str gain from heroes and WHAT NOT?!
He is a good hero anyway, not in need of a nerf!
"Why not nerf chronos' ult? or shrunken (10-5 secs of magi invurnability... uuuuu OOOPPPPPPPP)" - /sarcastic
****ing cry babies crying over the ****ing hook catching them on the way back, and u had to nerf it. -.-

[pavypdawg]

I think devo's hook should pull people on the way back for it's first 100/100/150/200 units back to dev or something???

[Genrou]

haha all the noobs who can't land a hook properly is QQing cause they depend on the luck for the backshot makes this thread amusing

please go uninstall because the game isn't tailored to your skills and you need luck to get anything done

[MENDEAUN]

All it's good on this patch instead of nullfire's nerf .

[pr4wn3r]

so, why would anyone still buy geometers bane, if attack modifiers dont work on them anymore -.-

[Zm0r]

haha all the noobs who can't land a hook properly is QQing cause they depend on the luck for the backshot makes this thread amusing

please go uninstall because the game isn't tailored to your skills and you need luck to get anything done

thank you 1600 PSR player... hooking on the way back is the PROest way of catching someone in a lane behind creeps. Something you don't know of probably

[Batchman]

nice patch. but i guess geo will have same usage as before, because theres no proper alternative to that item ...

[JohnnySins]

so is there any use for void talisman now?

[J0k3]

Awesome :)

[I7aggoHok]

- The following items' Attack effects will no longer propagate to illusions
* Icebrand
* Frostburn
* Shieldbreaker
* Frostwolf's Skull
* Nullfire Blade


FAIL

[CoolGoose]

so is there any use for void talisman now?
Considering it does the same as before ? as in you don't take any physical damage ?

The catch now is that he can target you now, so if he's dumb he's wasting attacks.

[Machiavelli`]

Devo nerf YEEEESSS

About ****ing time really

[Genrou]

thank you 1600 PSR player... hooking on the way back is the PROest way of catching someone in a lane behind creeps. Something you don't know of probably


hahah you're about to feel like a dumbass, ready?

you have over 500 matches and you've only reached 1700 PSR

i have only 50 and 1600 already

feeling stupid? ready for more?

I don't play psr, except only during that period for when MM was down. So lets look at our MMR. Oh what do you know, you're only 1500 and I'm 1700 LOL. To add onto that you're TSR is even worse than mine.

So bravo, great job trying to bring stats into an argument when YOU were actually the disfavored one LOL LOL LOL.

What's even more funny is devou is your favorite hero, which is even more LOL to me.

Rofling so hard at noobs who RELY on back hook to save them from their own failure. Too bad S2 saw through noobs like you, eh? Kudos to S2, let these kids go uninstall I say.

[Gatzolos]

devos hook nerf why that??it was a 2nd chance to hook some1 and required some skills to achieve it!!tbh wasnt so imba...

[DrRisan]

devos hook nerf why that??it was a 2nd chance to hook some1 and required some skills to achieve it!!tbh wasnt so imba...

Stop crying.

[zOle`]

Yea great but again there is no Latvian flag :@

[Darkpyon]

What a useless patch. There's basically nothing there but script optimization and one alt avatar that sucks balls.

[KingReaper]

epic how valk video just came out, suggesting buying nullfire and geo so illusions deal manaburn damage too and now it doesnt work anymore

[Theburned]

:GeometersBane: Geometer's Bane
- Recipe cost reduced from 1200 to 800

What? Why change it to 1200 then 800 the item is to good to be 800 leave it at 1200 or 1000, 400 was to cheap tho

if you didn't read the whole thing geometrer's bane was nerfed
so having it's price reduced to make up for this was nice.

[Wankerjoe]

Very dissapointing patch. I dont even want to play this game anymore. Did too many little boys and girls cry about devos hook catching them on the way back? Learn to maneuver better kids. Very very dissapointing changes, and of course deadwood still hasn't been nerfed. This is very frustrating.
IM SO !@#$%^& PISSED !!!!!!!!!!


Hahaha nooblet who can't hook properly is whining. YAY! ^___^

[zOle`]

When will S2 admins put in patch Latvian flag i w8 it for 1st patch common it`s not funny :@

[gOracle]

I want that unicorn!

[Pellikan]

Gimmie 3x stacking

[Le0ric]

nice nerf to range carrys <3 let the melee's shine! tough bb sw ;(

love it <3

[Theburned]

well they reduced geo bane, but yeah quite a nerf.

[revan_xp]

tinker is still there

[Hunty]

Wow ..
SB really got butt-fckd here :D!

[Mufanza]

hey i cant update new version my game always crash down... what to do pls ?

[revan_xp]

Come on S2...
Why did you add spell channeling bar without adding the original options for it?

[yug_modnar]

yay!!!

Edit: And SW is now useless, I hope you are all happy

this

[CiAOFORNOW]

Im happy about the devo nerf - finally not any noob can play him. :)

[MaaraKaan]

Im happy about the devo nerf - finally not any noob can play him. :)

wait, what?
not like anyone cares about the hook grabbing ppl on the backway.

[xMirmo]

I am fine with the other modifier, but NULLFIRE not applying to illusions? Seriously. Not needed nerf. Item was already used only on SW and situationally when needed purge. :\

[Ninja_Blue]

There are better picks than Devo, stop crying everyone.

[exorzismus]

Originally Posted by Idejder http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?p=13198713#post13198713)
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:devo: Devourer
- Guttling Hook will no longer grab people on the way back
R.I.P Devo

[Senor_loco]

:tort: Torturer
- Chain Reaction stun from 2s flat to 1.25/1.5/1.75/2s


Yes! This is what i wanted to see.

[Genrou]

wait, what?
not like anyone cares about the hook grabbing ppl on the backway.


exactly, that's why it was absolutely retarded when devou would miss his hook at you only for him to accidentally grab your teammate and lol at it.

[Witchking]

Mostly good tweaks, but was the geo nerf really necessary? Nullfire wasn't used a lot before and now it doesn't even propagate to illusions anymore.

Geo's overnerfed imo.

[MrCosgrove]

very nice patch,
probably the best in a long time, i just think the geo nerf is a tad odd

[Deeleted]

I'm glad this finally is out. Actually makes the time I spent testing this **** feel worth it.

[tryfez]

can some one put up a download link? cant update the game .. :(

[SexyHippie]

DotA 2, when will you be here :(

[Melto]

Wow ! Players are really going to cry for Nullfire Illusion nerf and Devourer Nerf,
Personally I don't really like Nullfire Nerf, but np for me about devourer...

[Tixzy_]

So for how long will :devo: be useless? b4 u change him back again

[AndroniX]

yay to the devo nerf ! next time care about buffing chron properly :/

[PundiLord]

Good patch! Good job

[CURT`]

Wtf is up with the Devourer nerf? ****ing retarded...

[zOle`]

When will S2 admins put in patch Latvian flag i w8 it for 1st patch now it`s 2.0.17 common it`s not funny :@

[CURT`]

haha all the noobs who can't land a hook properly is QQing cause they depend on the luck for the backshot makes this thread amusing

please go uninstall because the game isn't tailored to your skills and you need luck to get anything done

Luck using the backshot? It isn´t luck using the backshot. It is actually a strategy with the hook.

[HatParty]

good patch !
Just don't like the Pharoah nerf :angry:

[Neruzal]

Recent :valk: tutorial video doesn't make sense in combination with this patch.
They recommend Nullfire and Geometer's Bane because the mana drain does propagate to illusions. Now they patched it. Lulz.


And: WTFBBQ :swif: nerf WHY?

[Subject16]

mstore_product438_name for unicorn rampage in shop.

[Ackaman]

Noooooeeeeesss, now devo is boooring

[Dulcet]

Nice patch, refreshing optimization or w/e that means ^_^ <3 you S2!! ;)

[DyNaMic`]

well, maybe we will see some different itempickups, brutalizer on SW? brutalizer in general on some carrys?

[torfteufel]

10/10 **** yeah!!

:ramp: :/ where is leprechaun blacksmith when you need him
:devo: omg yes, finally!
:VoidTalisman: yes yes! was waiting for that for ages
:madm: fair enough
:legi: awesome, now you wont look like an idiot anymore running behind someone and never catching up
:myrm: **** yeah!
:pupp: Puppet Master
- Optimized Puppet Show scripting || hope this adresses weird puppet show "misses" if so: thumbs up
:swif: well played, i guess
:tort: **** yeah!
:zeph: now on this one im kinda "meh". kinda makes sense i have to agree but why take away "skill". well, if your goal was to make him getting picked more frequently in lower level mm this should do the trick i guess.

* Optimizations don't affect gameplay, it's to make the servers use less resources for those skills while retaining their effects.
**** YEAH!

i would by another 1000 gold announcer straight away for this
<3

[NortproN]

illusions should only gain 33% of the items modifier (ie. frostwolf skull should only slow 33% of what it normally does, only 33% of shield should be broken etc..) that's how nullfire blade works in practice too right (33% dmg->33% manaburn) ?

edit:instead of the 100% it was before and 0% that it is now
it may also always have been 33%, i dunno

[Gothicer]

The only problem I have with this patch is the whole Geo's/Illusion thing. It's like in their attempt to make Sandwraith completely useless, they've also nerf'd Geo's to hell along with Frostwolf and Nullfire. So basically, pretty much every agility carry just got screwed over and nerf'd for nothing, from what I can tell.

I have no idea if this is why or not, but if it is just to nerf SW, wouldn't just making his ulti's illusions different entities to normal illusions, so that they have their own script and don't need to mess with Geo's to nerf it? If it's not for that, I really don't understand why they would nerf Geo's or even the rest of the stuff at all. Then again, I'm tired, so I'm probably not making any sense anyway.

Everything else seems good, though. No more pulling back team mates after missing a hook with Dev, and I always thought it was weird how SB could still crit while spinning.

Still annoyed about my waifu's item nerf, though. :valk:

[bin_bash]

I am a bit sad about chipper nerf. Since he cannot farm jungle with rockets (he is the only one Int hero who cannot do that, nuff said), there is another nerf in increasing sawblade colldown (the core farm spell for chipper), even its ulti its usefull to takeout stacked creepwave.
Are u really affraid of easy stacking jungle spots if rockets actually hit the creeps and dont miss them?

[X_Raider]

Great patch!

[Tsatseura]

Lol, are people seriously saying Dev will now be useless because of the change to him? That's ridiculous, get real.

Solid patch with a lot of tweaking, cheers S2.

[rickdeckard]

Been waiting on that "view match stats" fix since 2.0

[hanzlo]

I love it!

GJ S2

[rndmz]

what makes me wonder: why did they propagate using geometer's on valk because of the additional manaburn in the latest pudding-guide?

I mean that aspect completely falls flat now....

[alexebz]

Nice patch.

And people instead of whining about changes try to get used to it. Great job S2.
Anyway, changes are always good, you can experiment with new stuff, cause I got used to everything in HoN too much :p

[`Smidig]

Gj... why dont you just delete SW and Devo from HoN ? useless anyways.... Every game with a decent devo will fail cuz he cant hit hooks -.-

[Maginox]

Whats with the complains ya cheap bastados, This patch is pure luv :BehemothsHeart:

[ShowbizYo]

My HoN is crashing everytime i'm trying to download the patch... where can i download the new patch?

[OnRampage]

Omg whats up with the Dev nerf? his hook was awesome, and then you nerf it, nerf his ult back to old devo ):

[Genrou]

Luck using the backshot? It isn´t luck using the backshot. It is actually a strategy with the hook.


I've maybe been hit by the backshot devou who did it "intentionally" perhaps 5 times max and I"ve seen people get hit by the back shot "accidently" over a 100 times. I don't play in hardcore competitive gaming, but I do have over 1k games to my name. If you know how to avoid the first part of the hook, its pretty easy to avoid the second part.

You could argue perhaps I haven't seen a "good" devou yet but, with over 1k games in I doubt that's the case. I never seen a devou purely rely on backshots to land his hooks, just because that wouldn't be reliably enough since he only has so much mp when the simpler solution would just to land the first part of the hook which is nearly unavoidable with the right timing. So why the hell should people get screwed when the backshot happens to hit you or your teammate?

[Dordanov]

Seems like a pretty good deal. Although you wouldn't have to explicitly list all script optimizations, it's good to hear you are also cleaning and optimizing code.

I'm not sure wether to see the Void Talisman change as a buff or nerf though. Sure someone will waste attacks now, but having them switch off you to change to someone else was also a positive effect on some heroes.

Love the devo nerf, it only makes sense. People that say it required skill to achieve the "backway hook" should have the necessary skills to land a proper hook anyway. All the scrubs who can only land hooks on accident are the only ones that are worried.

Geo nerf is quite big, but then again, all ranged carries always built it, and used some modifier with it. That needed to be addressed. As well as the SW OPness, but I think this might hit SW too hard. We will have to wait and see.

Overall seems like a good patch, and ofcourse things will be adusted again when needed I assume, you just have to try out soem stuff until the correct balance is achieved.

[IceOut]

Devourer
- Guttling Hook will no longer grab people on the way back THIS IS FAIL WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT THAT WAS LIEK THE ONLY THING MAKING HIM AWESOME

[Zampetas]

can you plz upload the 2.0.17 patch so we can download it??? and plz fix it... since 2.0.6 i always uninstall hon and download the new version...

[Ashlan]

good job on those changes and i hope it get the game smoth and run better in my pc

[Devodka]

Gj... why dont you just delete SW and Devo from HoN ? useless anyways.... Every game with a decent devo will fail cuz he cant hit hooks -.-
Not hitting hooks means you're not a decent devo, nice logic there.
It was this way a long time ago aswell. It's this way in DotA aswell.
I see no reason why it'd make him useless now if it didn't in both DotA and before the backhook change.

[Nooben]

Version 2.0.17
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:devo: Devourer
- Guttling Hook will no longer grab people on the way back



wtf..... ? Why would you consider even do such a change? This is imho a fatal nerf on devourer... too bad

[FukyoNoKaze]

didnt new mspudding valkyrie spotlight pointed that nullfire applies on illus so get geo and nullfire ?

- The following items' Attack effects will no longer propagate to illusions
* Icebrand
* Frostburn
* Shieldbreaker
* Frostwolf's Skull
* Nullfire Blade

[i7]

This patch broked my game :(
it broke mine too

[Wankerjoe]

Been waiting on that "view match stats" fix since 2.0

Which has been fixed ages ago.

[i7]

Crash after update :/
Help!?

it crashed mine too plz help everyone

[Charger]

This is a lame patch, sure the scripting and bug fixing is cool.
But most of the gameplay changes are not, at least you have an excuse for not bringing heroes like Phantom Lancer and Naga Siren into the game, now when you removed the Nullfire effect for illusions (wtf).
And some of these things are also weird, like magmus will still get healed by essence linked while he is stunning, obviously there also need to be a downside by the short invulnerability he gets,
I also wonder why swift cant crit while spinning?
And last but not least i dont like the fact that devs hook doesnt catch on the way back, when there will be many situations where your on purpose trying to do that. Especially if you pk

[Nesnomis]

The devourer change is needed from one point of view with people totally missing hooks and getting lucky on the way back (I do it all the time). On the other hand timed hooks with portal key will be a *****.

[baho]

Great patch !

For the emo's, keep on crying, it's delightful to watch ur tears :*

[`Tape]

no more triple stacks? nice ninja note.

[Systemdir]

wtf..... ? Why would you consider even do such a change? This is imho a fatal nerf on devourer... too bad
Just compare pudge with devo before saying such stupid things!
Imo this is a step in the right direction. They should also remove the 2sec debuff on devo's decay (what makes juking him nearly impossible because he has 2 secs to catch up) and I will start playing him again.

[dronee]

I don't play really devo, but I will miss seeing the nice pulls around creeps.

[daretheninja]

Madman nerf? Alas...

:madm:

[Nick_44]

Oh Wow you hit devourer with the nerf-stick, he's just like pudge again :D

[porohjke]

I have Crash hon at patch updating... Give the reference please on patch downloading..=)

[leMuffin]

S2 is still ignoring flag requests and on every patch Im getting more and more dissapointed.

[`Abstract]

Great patch.

[edoitachi]

THank u S2, u made 4 carries useless, u destroyed the primary usage of geobane, and u destroyed the game in 1 patch, WELL DONE, dota 2 here i come.

I was reluctant to leave hon before, cuz i love this game, but no, there is no doubt, anyone wants to buy my account?

[porohjke]

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I have Crash hon at patch updating... Give the reference please on patch downloading..=)

[KissMuA]

Good ................