HoN Werewolf V2 - Game Over

[Lucian01]

You had time to be active, you did not. I couldn't care less about the substitution.Actually this is wrong, Vahn didn't contact me until later. I assume he asked Warchamp7 first as requested. Again this isn't my fault so you should direct your greifeces over how this game is being run elsewhere.


If you read the thread, you would know what someone has already brought forth the idea that the reason why the previous person had left is because he got HB, and could not find enough time to fill the role, as opposed to a saping, where he would only need to participate during the day and not full time. A power-role as I imagine would be more time-consuming. Now, I'm not saying that this is the case, but it certainly is a proof by counter-point.

I'd be amused if people buy that considering this is the HoN forums. What do people do when they want to leave/afk/remake but don't want to get in trouble? They make up excuses.


The same bad joke.If you find a fact to be "bad" or "funny" then that is your prerogative.


Orly? According to this (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=13194884&postcount=237) you basically claimed that if I knew your posting style, and attitude, I would be able to arrive at the conclusion that you are legion. If you want to ignore a valuable resource, especially information from game 1, thats up to you.Seems you're just repeating yourself here, so I can only do the same: In order to discredit my argument you clearly made it a point (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=13194832&postcount=233) that I don't know you well enough - I was just wanted to say it goes both ways.


So if you want to actually make a difference in this game, I suggest that you don't make judgments and claims based on logic that is flimsy at best. Otherwise losing you would be the same as losing a machine that votes based off of RNG.
"I'm hellbourne, dont vote me out pls" :slit:

[GrimmShado]

Last time i followed Roger it went well... But i can't help thinking that Lucian for a hb is too temperamental an unorganized. Still voting him... but consider probably hb are backing each other, probably not all five, but at least 1 or 2.

[KARTlK]

Unvote No-lynch
Vote Lucian01

Would be hilarious if he's right too, but then we would have been against the most moronic hb of all time. OF ALL TIME.
Keep an eye on _, he misses no chance to tell us, you know, he's not hb, because you know, he's not hb. Not like last game when he was hb, this time he is an sapling. he really is.
I don't know the point of all that reassurance, won't change minds to that tought... at least not mine.


Yeah. I'm a legion. I don't really know why I didn't just say I was a sapling last game but I was just a shitty imp.


I'm more than willing to sacrifice myself for the village. If that's what it'll take to prove who has the ulterior motive then so be it.

Just remember the bandwagon that started it: _, Fetyukov, Nolifer, Javu, Yukari. That's 5 votes all within 1 page of eacother. You'll find it's no coindeience that there are also 5 hellbourne. If they think a lynch is inevitable tonight then I'd be the perfect fall guy for it.

I didn't start a bandwagon. Anyway I unvoted you.


Damn, was a fast response, now I'm confused to as why you unvoted Lucian, especially since he hasn't posted anything. I wanted to edit this into my last post, but two people posted, so I'll add it here.

http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=13187015&postcount=24
^^
The first significant post in the game, where ryper pushed for a lynch over no-lynch

I unvoted him to call YA's bluff. YA said he'd like a no lynch. Then let's no lynch. It's the best move for legion anyway. Lucian could just be stupid/noob/careless.


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i am a saplinggg

[Lucian01]

Lucian could just be stupid/noob/careless.
Thanks for the put-down, but yes this is the first time I've played a game like this. If I get the majority of the vote then I'll gracefully concede. I don't want to be a distraction for hb while they start killing us off one by one.

Mistakes will be made on day one, and this is fine as long the legion learns from it.

[Yukari]

Actually this is wrong, Vahn didn't contact me until later. I assume he asked Warchamp7 first as requested. Again this isn't my fault so you should direct your greifeces over how this game is being run elsewhere.



I'd be amused if people buy that considering this is the HoN forums. What do people do when they want to leave/afk/remake but don't want to get in trouble? They make up excuses.

If you find a fact to be "bad" or "funny" then that is your prerogative.

Seems you're just repeating yourself here, so I can only do the same: In order to discredit my argument you clearly made it a point (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=13194832&postcount=233) that I don't know you well enough - I was just wanted to say it goes both ways.


"I'm hellbourne, dont vote me out pls" :slit:
Too lazy to segment

I didn't account for the entire time that the game had been going, merely the time between your first post as a player and when I made my post.

So, you are saying the only reason someone would leave, is because they got a non-power role and decided that it was boring, instead of the other way around? Please elaborate on why this is true. Also note that the analysis of graven leaving was made by someone else, not graven himself.


A sapling would not play with such a sense of megalomania and self importance such as Yukari is.

I was referring to that. If you knew how I generally post, you cannot come to that statement. Your counter argument was that I do not know your posting style, thus you are not an imp. That argument is full of holes and you know it.



All I'm asking is for you to make coherent arguments when you point fingers. Else it's creating unlawful chaos, which doesn't help legion at all.

[Fetyukov]

I'm still voting for Lucian01. Gets voted for, no responses. wagon starts and all of a sudden he's getting in a large fight with Yukari, who has probably provided us with the most information in the game. Seems to me like a desperation attempt that rather than prove his innocence, he attacks others. Then again, I could be wrong. Either way I just want this day to end after 13 pages so lets get rolling, eh?

[Yukari]

I'm still voting for Lucian01. Gets voted for, no responses. wagon starts and all of a sudden he's getting in a large fight with Yukari, who has probably provided us with the most information in the game. Seems to me like a desperation attempt that rather than prove his innocence, he attacks others. Then again, I could be wrong. Either way I just want this day to end after 13 pages so lets get rolling, eh?

Actually he hasn't really provided any logical arguments whatsoever. I'm still waiting on those

[Evil_Andrex]

Please note my vote is for Flamestick not Yukari. Change op please.

[Vahn]

Please note my vote is for Flamestick not Yukari. Change op please.
This is the last vote post I saw for you.

Switch vote
Vote Yukari
Flamestick
Changed your vote to flamestick now.

[Octavia]

Isn't not being impressionable in this game a good thing?
Being impressionable is a good thing or a bad thing depending on your role. I guess if determining your motives is something you want to stop people from doing it could be a bad thing, but for most of us being impressionable would be a positive trait.

this is definately a possibility, but when you have a big plan or make an accusation against someone of course you cant reveal your thinking behind it, or theyll just tailor their responses to your thinking. we need to make sure we dont say anything that will give the hellbourne an easy way out of a tricky situation.
I wouldn't be so naive to pretend that Yukari's actions are related in any sense to a plan. You can easily shake things up and gather information from it while pretending the events unfolded were according to a calculation. It's pretty believable as well, I should know since I did it last game. I had no idea what my means were going to be, only the ends. Find scum. The means would be however the events unfolded (introduce a little anarchy...).

Of course, I cannot fully compare my previous play style to Yukari's. I played more of a town leader than a town maniac, and while both share the common persona of confidence, the method is still quite different. I stated earlier in the recruitment thread that there's only room (or at least, a need) for 1 confident townie who pretends to have everything calculated. I don't see a need to usurp him from that role other than to safeguard myself from being killed by Hellbourne (the confident townie will most likely be protected by some defensive town power role and scum would stay away).

With that said, Yukari's motives are unclear. What is clear is the means he is undertaking and the information he is creating. He's either playing town-sided scum or confident townie, and both of those roles are best kept alive well beyond the first day. That is to say, the usefulness of a confident townie outweighs the threat of a town-sided scum; town-sided scum are an asset until endgame.


There really isn't any significance of people saying "I'm sapling" to me it was just a random joke as he came into the game. While not being impressionable is not a bad thing, it also makes the game boring. And you are misunderstanding me in the first place, I was referring to his posting style and attitude from posts outside of werewolf, because he brought it up.

Speaking of which, where has roger gone...
I've got more work to do now than I did in the previous game, and there are a lot more posts in this game than the previous one (more players, more posts). I have to read all the posts and analyse them before I say anything since I don't want to say anything that isn't accurate and relevant to the current time. Less time + more posts means I couldn't post as much during the week.

Fear not for more of my absence, it's a long weekend now and I can grace you all with my presence.

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What is with this new syntax for unvoting? Unvotes are just the word unvote in lime text. If you want to unvote and vote someone else you should concatenate them with a semi-colon (i.e., unvote; vote no one).

[Yukari]

Fear not for more of my absence, it's a long weekend now and I can grace you all with my presence.

Just I read this, I get msged by MichaelBurge. COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT!

But yes, last game was boring if not for you.

I've understood unvote as using red, for example Unvote: Vahn

[Bobble]

oh god, not Burgey, his ego is so large it's every single power role in the game.

I vote to No Lynch. It may seem like a fencey thing to do, but I do feel there is not enough evidence to RL off a person at this point. While it is usually a good move to use any RLs we have, I'm playing a the odds. It's more likely a Legion is going to be lynched, and while Hellbourne will get a free kill this night, I don't want them to have two free kills instead. Besides, it's a lot more likely for the Hellbourne to knock off a Sapling tonight, and meanwhile, Scout would have some handy info to at least have a lead on.

[Lucian01]

I didn't account for the entire time that the game had been going, merely the time between your first post as a player and when I made my post.Ah, well I didn't think you'd be that stupid not to factor in real life and timezones. I was probably sleeping for most of that time.


So, you are saying the only reason someone would leaveRight off the bat you're putting words in my mouth. I'm not saying "only reason" anything, but just that you'd be a fool to go with the first explanation given in a game of deception. Surely someone paranoid enough to use a 9 hour gap in posting as an argument for something should understand that.


I was referring to that. If you knew how I generally post, you cannot come to that statement. Your counter argument was that I do not know your posting style, thus you are not an imp. That argument is full of holes and you know it.
Again that's actually your logic at work, which I used against you. If it's full of holes then you should probably drop it already.


All I'm asking is for you to make coherent arguments when you point fingers.Now this quite is rich considering what you've been posting.


Else it's creating unlawful chaos, which doesn't help legion at all.Which is why it's in our best interest to get rid of you ASAP. The hb will have no place to hide once your smoke and mirrors have been removed from the game.


Actually he hasn't really provided any logical arguments whatsoever. I'm still waiting on those
Ouch, so you couldn't wait just a few more posts before getting another hit in? Someone here sure is desperate...

[Yukari]

Ah, well I didn't think you'd be that stupid not to factor in real life and timezones. I was probably sleeping for most of that time.


But I am stupid enough to start counting before you even joined the game. Right.
Why did you think it was a good idea to point fingers right before taking a break from an active game? Especially seeing as it was the first thing you've done after you joined, as well as the fact your only supporting argument was "hes a troublemaker!"



Right off the bat you're putting words in my mouth. I'm not saying "only reason" anything, but just that you'd be a fool to go with the first explanation given in a game of deception. Surely someone paranoid enough to use a 9 hour gap in posting as an argument for something should understand that.


So in other words the first thing that anyone says in a game with deception is false; it has 0% chance of being true and therefore should be dismissed as false. Right. And FYI, I didn't GO with that argument, I said it was a possibility. You were putting words in my mouth.



Again that's actually your logic at work, which I used against you. If it's full of holes then you should probably drop it already.


Care to elaborate on the holes of my argument? I'm pretty sure my case work involved most of the possible cases.



Now this quite is rich considering what you've been posting.


Right, so all the people who agreed with me in this thread are complete lunatics.



Which is why it's in our best interest to get rid of you ASAP. The hb will have no place to hide once your smoke and mirrors have been removed from the game.


There are so any things wrong with this, I'll just point out two.

Firstly, there are exactly 5 hellbourne players. Are you saying that by drawing attention and provokeing for information is prevent you from spotting all of them? Are you so infatuated with me such that you cannot take your eyes off my posts for a second to evaluate others?

Secondly, I was not aware that I have the ability to hide the alignment of the other players. I always thought Valkyrie was legion, not to mention that there are no power roles remotely close to it.



Ouch, so you couldn't wait just a few more posts before getting another hit in? Someone here sure is desperate...

Someone is sure defensive...

[Yukari]

oh god, not Burgey, his ego is so large it's every single power role in the game.

I vote to No Lynch. It may seem like a fencey thing to do, but I do feel there is not enough evidence to RL off a person at this point. While it is usually a good move to use any RLs we have, I'm playing a the odds. It's more likely a Legion is going to be lynched, and while Hellbourne will get a free kill this night, I don't want them to have two free kills instead. Besides, it's a lot more likely for the Hellbourne to knock off a Sapling tonight, and meanwhile, Scout would have some handy info to at least have a lead on.

How do people access scout's info again?

[Bobble]

How do people access scout's info again?

I was thinking, and hoping, that Scout would get a healthy amount of info before having to claim, and if he has to reveal, then hopefully there isn't a Succubus. And being snide won't help you Yukari.

[Yukari]

I was thinking, and hoping, that Scout would get a healthy amount of info before having to claim, and if he has to reveal, then hopefully there isn't a Succubus. And being snide won't help you Yukari.

Well, I've already openly claimed that there is no succubus, it's up to you to believe me or not. I wouldn't really expect scout's reports in the near future through, after all, it's still day 1.

[Bobble]

Well, I've already openly claimed that there is no succubus, it's up to you to believe me or not. I wouldn't really expect scout's reports in the near future through, after all, it's still day 1.

Well, I'll still prefer not risking a sapling death, give the power roles more shields to hide behind.

[Yukari]

Well, I don't really care that you voted for a no-lynch, but I don't think that's whats going to happen at the end of today. Secondly, do not forget that there's always the possibility that the scout gets killed one way or another before making his report. A madman devo combo pretty much means that hes immediately dead if he is found early.

[Bobble]

As I said, I want more shields for our power roles to hide, and a RL doesn't help that goal.

[Yukari]

As I said, I want more shields for our power roles to hide, and a RL doesn't help that goal.

RL meaning what, false lynching?

[Bobble]

RL meaning what, false lynching?

A random lynch. Of course, there are some accusations and some evidence based on today's talk, but in essence, the votes today are still mostly random.

[Lucian01]

But I am stupid enough to start counting before you even joined the game. Right.
Why did you think it was a good idea to point fingers right before taking a break from an active game? Especially seeing as it was the first thing you've done after you joined, as well as the fact your only supporting argument was "hes a troublemaker!"
So that's what this entire campaign against me is about? All this nonsense over one comment and a vote that you've been hanging on to since? Well just wait for my next vote then you'll surely feel relieved.


So in other words the first thing that anyone says in a game with deception is false; it has 0% chance of being true and therefore should be dismissed as false. Right. And FYI, I didn't GO with that argument, I said it was a possibility. You were putting words in my mouth.
I hope the legion are paying attention to this ^ notice how he runs with exactly the same style of attack again while ignoring my point and then tries to cover it up by pretending I'm the one using strawman.

Also see the next line.


Right, so all the people who agreed with me in this thread are complete lunatics.Again he's putting words in my mouth for you, and not only that but he plays on your ego - "hey im not a lunatic, go Yukari!". The question is, legion, will you fall for it?



Firstly, there are exactly 5 hellbourne players. Are you saying that by drawing attention and provokeing for information is prevent you from spotting all of them? Are you so infatuated with me such that you cannot take your eyes off my posts for a second to evaluate others?
Oh again, this is rich. He continues to insult me all the while feigning innocence. You think you can control this game by posting aggressively, and that's all that matters. Not what I think.



Someone is sure defensive...
And once again you've chosen to dodge my point and copy me, which only proves me right.



I'm still voting for Lucian01. Gets voted for, no responses. wagon starts and all of a sudden he's getting in a large fight with Yukari, who has probably provided us with the most information in the game. Seems to me like a desperation attempt that rather than prove his innocence, he attacks others.

Page 12. I didn't even mention Yukari in my second post, you'll actually notice he baited me.

But as promised, I'll lynch myself if that's what it takes to uncover the trickery being used here.

Unvote: Yukari
Upvote: Lucian01

[Bobble]

voting yourself will not prove that Yukari is Hellbourne, you do realise this, right? Martyrs do not exist in Werewolves, and all will this prove is that you're an idiot. Play this game, if you think Yukari is a Hellbourne, then freaking try to stay in the game and prove that to without a doubt. Trying to be a martyr proves nothing.

[Octavia]

@Lucian1

All this self-voting is really quite pathetic. Even if you flip Sapling it doesn't incriminate anyone nor does it leave a track of posts to ponder over. You haven't left a trail of what ifs in your escapade with Yukari which could actually be of use to the town once your role is flipped to its true nature. Your self-vote can't be considered a townie move however you look at it nor whatever your role is.

[Yukari]

It's Otolia all over again!
The only martyr is scout, after he outs himself for info.
Back to making sure that all of my favorite hentai artists are alive.

[Lucian01]

I'm a man of my word; I said I would concede if I got the most votes and that's what I'm doing. Besides, day one has to end sooner or later. And I'd rather it be sooner if it continues like this.

[Bobble]

Wow, seriously? Worst move ever? Here's hoping you're scum.

[Bwomp]

Off Topic: ^_^
First at all a good morning to all
I think it is funny how you can see the following thing:
If you write your post before you go sleep and the first thing in the morning is to check the stuff that was going on in the night, you can see where ppl live and how the time zones act.
From the last game i know that bobble is aussie e.g.
after the american players slowly withdraw from the game, bobble starts to get active :P
2ndly: I would appreciate it that the unvote colorsystem, (i think i was the first one last game to introduce it is still used: for unvote ;) )
It is funny that like in Germany the "Tag der Arbeit" (A special holiday for the workers, introducted by Hitler) is still an official holiday, like my red color for unvoting is still used, despite me being the :madm: last game.

Anyway: this is completely off-topic, provides no information and shouldnt be scrutinized by anybody, its only aim is to make anyone who reads it smile at best.

real post coming soon.

[Bwomp]

Ok. I see that nobody really agrees with my opinion that Ryper7 is HB, despite it looks to ME quite obvious.

How about that:
-unvote Ryper7
-vote Otolia

[Bobble]

Off Topic: ^_^
First at all a good morning to all
I think it is funny how you can see the following thing:
If you write your post before you go sleep and the first thing in the morning is to check the stuff that was going on in the night, you can see where ppl live and how the time zones act.
From the last game i know that bobble is aussie e.g.
after the american players slowly withdraw from the game, bobble starts to get active :P
2ndly: I would appreciate it that the unvote colorsystem, (i think i was the first one last game to introduce it is still used: for unvote ;) )
It is funny that like in Germany the "Tag der Arbeit" (A special holiday for the workers, introducted by Hitler) is still an official holiday, like my red color for unvoting is still used, despite me being the :madm: last game.

Anyway: this is completely off-topic, provides no information and shouldnt be scrutinized by anybody, its only aim is to make anyone who reads it smile at best.

real post coming soon.

I smiled :P. I would notice where people were from, but I'm not good at figuring time zones. And now I can't go on at normal Aussie times, cause i'm either at uni all day or studying!

Oh, and today was alright, despite the fact I was in a microbiology lab, and feel so infected...

[Yukari]

So what timezone am I in?

[Octavia]

I'm a man of my word; I said I would concede if I got the most votes and that's what I'm doing. Besides, day one has to end sooner or later. And I'd rather it be sooner if it continues like this.
Or you could drop the baby bottle and unvote yourself

[Bwomp]

I smiled :P. I would notice where people were from, but I'm not good at figuring time zones. And now I can't go on at normal Aussie times, cause i'm either at uni all day or studying!

Oh, and today was alright, despite the fact I was in a microbiology lab, and feel so infected...


yeah... i'm just doing my "Abitur" in Germany. I dont really know what would be the equivalent thing in English countries.
(Went to school for 13 Years and right now are the holidays before the big exams and after that i am FINISHED! (*****es!) ^^

[Bwomp]

So what timezone am I in?

East USA, or?
i dont know where you posted it, but i guess i had some time where you wrote anything about 6am, and i think it was 12pm my time, so it would be GMT -5 or so...

[Yukari]

Yeah its 6 in the morning right now. I thought you would've gotten it wrong.

[Bwomp]

Yeah its 6 in the morning right now. I thought you would've gotten it wrong.

Dont you ever sleep!? or you just wake up so freaking early?!

[Octavia]

Yukari sleeps with Uberman so that he can be on HoN Forums 24/7

[Yukari]

Yukari sleeps with Uberman so that he can be on HoN Forums 24/7

:scou: How'd you know?

Also I fell out of uberman, I just accidentally forgot to sleep last night, so my time is screwed.

[Ryper7]

too much blue post, not enough white post :P

[Yukari]

Well say something relevant to the game. I got nothing for the time being. Infact, I don't plan on doing anything unless I see votes starting to move

[Bwomp]

Ok, then post something white again. I'm willing to join in as soon as i finish my Hon Game. Gotta give em b1tches some slapping :P

Edited: B1tches for ****es

[Octavia]

/off topic

Lucian1 needs to unvote himself, it doesn't help us at all.

[Yukari]

Indeed it doesn't, but if he wants to self-destruct I'm not going to try to stop him.

[Ryper7]

Well say something relevant to the game. I got nothing for the time being. Infact, I don't plan on doing anything unless I see votes starting to move
i dont really plan on doing anything until some votes move either.

at this stage it seems that lucian is pretty much self-voting for the same reason Yukari self-voted, to get the game moving. with 20 people in the game it takes a long time to get the days finished.

you slap them b1tches bwomp, slap them hard.

[Yukari]

It seems that we are on a stand still.

[Yukari]

Fine, this is my last action before going to sleep.
Unvote: Lucian01
night.

[Ryper7]

id like to know if flamestick has read through the thread and formulated his opinion yet. looking at the current votes list, he's the only one who hasn't casted his vote yet. got any opinions or observations for us flamestick?

[Lucian01]

Well I said he'd be relieved when I changed my vote. As any hb would be when they get off the hook. Still I'm not changing my vote until the day ends. Werewolf without night = forums as usual.

[Rawn]

I'm loving this game. Definitely want to play the next one. :D

[Javu]

Wow a whole lot happened since I was last on but we really havn't made much progress. I'm relatively pleased by Lucian's reactions. He didn't come off as overly desperate, which I would have expected from a first game (you said it was your first game yeh?) hb. As for the whole lucian/yukari argument, there didn't seem to be a whole lot of substance to it, it was more just a flame war. Mostly it appeared as if Yukari was the one who wouldn't let it go, even though the argument was pretty dead, but then again I didn't read too much into it.

I'm still reluctant to no-lynch. Relying on scout getting a few good days of information and then claiming is such a bad strategy. There are so many ways it could go wrong, especially if we sit back and no-lynch for the next 2-3 days and let him gather information and he dies. We'll end up essentially on day 1 with no scout and a bunch of dead saplings. RL is risky but it gives us some good information, which will top off the good information we've already got

[Vexium]

i told you this would reach 100 pgs prior to the game's end. did i call it or what?

[Ryper7]

it'll reach 100 pages before day 1 ends :P

[Vahn]

At this rate I have to agree.

And Vexium MediumTurquoise is not DeepSkyBlue

[Bwomp]

Are we now at the point where we agree to lynch Lucian01 just for the sake of continuing?
I dont think we should, but i guess the problem is that we are so much ppl now and if we have to agree on one person it is very hard, because everybody understood certain posts different. Nobody can be sure anybody else has the same opinion about his top suspect, or most certain ally. (if anybody even has this)

I'll stick with my vote on "Otolia" until i can see further development. (in case of emergency, blame france; this always works)

@Vexium: Y U NO JOIN GAME? // Y U NO USE CORRECT COLOR?

[Bwomp]

I hate you Vahn... :P

[ElementUser]

oh god, not Burgey, his ego is so large it's every single power role in the game.

Lol, someone calls him Burgey

:3

[Bwomp]

@ElementUser You havnt replied to my question concerning swapping after repicking in AR.
If you are so frequently in this thread i can as well ask you here!

[Lucian01]

At this rate I have to agree.

And Vexium MediumTurquoise is not DeepSkyBlue
Shades of blue. Serious business.

[Vahn]

@ElementUser You havnt replied to my question concerning swapping after repicking in AR.
If you are so frequently in this thread i can as well ask you here!

You can't swap after repicking ever. Making a thread in mechanics is the best way to get answer to questions like that.

That's enough of this guys, lets keep on with the game.

[Evil_Andrex]

Sorry vahn ,mixed up my colors. I don't want to let Yukari die.

[Bwomp]

for christ sake: 310 posts and still no final vote. >_<

[Evil_Andrex]

So it's you bwomp! You want us all dead!

No need to hurry more deliberation can't possibly be bad.

[Bwomp]

i just thought it is funny how last game took 350 posts to END it, and we have 313 and still at day1 without an end.

you moderators are too chatty :P

[Lucian01]

At first I thought this flamestick thing was an inside joke I wasn't getting then I saw there's actually a guy called flamestick in the playerlist. We're not playing Chinese water torture here, so go ahead say something.

[Evil_Andrex]

Last game they didn't have such evil crafty people and as many newbs...

I was trying to make everyone talk. Flamestick was the last to not talk so I'll keep my vote there.

[Ryper7]

i just thought it is funny how last game took 350 posts to END it, and we have 313 and still at day1 without an end.

you moderators are too chatty :P
theres so many people in this game that its really hard to keep days moving because its so hard for a person to get enough votes to actually get lynched.

im not sure that much deliberation and discussion is needed for today, we need to decide on something so we can keep the game moving. everyone's getting pretty offtopic, which isnt a good sign.

i would still like hear something from flamestick too, hes the only one who hasnt voted yet.

[Evil_Andrex]

He has said something.

[YawningAngel]

Unvote Yukari

[Ryper7]

Unvote Yukari
reasoning behind your unvote? you were so sure of him being scum.

[YawningAngel]

I'm inexperienced, and people who know what they're actually talking about seem convinced otherwise. That being the case, I'll roll with what they say for now.

[Bwomp]

I'm inexperienced, and people who know what they're actually talking about seem convinced otherwise. That being the case, I'll roll with what they say for now.

this isnt too helpful (for you)

it provides ME with a valuable information however.

This means if you a.) aren't able to think for yourself, you are useless, because you are a target that is easy corrupted by Hellbourne.
b.) you could be Hellbourne yourself, who tries in panic to keep attention from himself. this is done by calling others for help, playing the newbie player.

I think a main reason because the Hellbourne lost last time, was this statement from "_" which was something like: "tell me what to vote, because i dont know what to do"
This made him very suspicious.
My problem is that NOW the exact same situation is given.

In any case.
In THIS situation, you have just become useless for me.

If you are Legion. I dont care if you die or not, since the HB have an easy time using you during day time for their aims.

If you are HB, I would love to see you die right now.

=> Unvote Otolia

=> Vote YawningAngel

[Vexium]

Is this Deep Sky Blue? Oh wait it is. Cool. I HAVE FINALLY FOUND IT

@Bwomp: I'm not playing b/c I leave for spring break vacation in 3 days.

[YawningAngel]

Or C. I have no realistic chance of actually convincing anyone, so I don't see why I should make myself a target pursuing a vendetta against Yukari.

[Bwomp]

Or C. I have no realistic chance of actually convincing anyone, so I don't see why I should make myself a target pursuing a vendetta against Yukari.

Why do you come up with the Yukari stuff now?! Showing the others your ideas has nothing to do with joining in a quarrel and choose your sides. If you dont have an opinion about Yukari its fine. Tell us what you have thought about other players.
Otherwise i have to tell you, that you have really no use for us.

[YawningAngel]

Quite honestly, I think that several people have acted suspiciously but none to such an extent I feel it's worth acting on yet. More information needed, and that's what I'm holding out on.

[MaJesTiQ]

@ YA - I just read threw 11 pages of hog wash, and I still think there not many suspecious people because no one is freaking doing anything in a RVS mode!

[YawningAngel]

That's basically it: I have no idea who to vote because there's no useful information.

[Bwomp]

In this "hog wash" as you call it there as certainly A LOT of useful information. you just have to read it.

Top Suspect List atm:

=> Ryper7
=> YawningAngel

this is the atm TOP suspect list i know it is short,
but i keep my other alliance guesses for myself :P

anyway i need feedback from Roger, Yukari, _, Nolifer and Bobble.
what are YOUR opinions about these guesses?

[Evil_Andrex]

How could people make true alliances when we cannot talk about werewolf outside of this thread?

[Bwomp]

wrong word: didnt meant alliance, i meant the... how is it called? affection?

what i wanted to say: i wanted to keep my other guesses for the side on which the other players are, for myself. i hope this time it was made more clearly what i meant.

why the hell am i born in germany and not an english speaking country? :(((

[KARTlK]

In this "hog wash" as you call it there as certainly A LOT of useful information. you just have to read it.

Top Suspect List atm:

=> Ryper7
=> YawningAngel

this is the atm TOP suspect list i know it is short,
but i keep my other alliance guesses for myself :P

anyway i need feedback from Roger, Yukari, _, Nolifer and Bobble.
what are YOUR opinions about these guesses?

Well heres the thing. Ryper is not inexperienced. So just think that everything he does is calculated.

YA is inexperienced. Yeah, he's pretty smart and read through the last thread (and it seems he has a fair bit of time to dedicate to this game) but inexperienced players always act timidly. HB noobs will bandwagon and say "I knew he was a sapling!" while noob saplings will be confused the whole game and not really sure what to do.

I have no opinions on the two as of now (super bad hangover guise ololol arent I cool). If you want to get a good look of their posting history, at the top of the thread there is that header bar, and at the end it has like Search This Thread, do an advanced search and Look for Username (Exact Match). That'll show you every post they made in this thread. Then, multiquote all of their posts (or important ones) and show your analysis on each post.

But for now, we vote no lynch.

It's always the safest move for a legion team. Always. Smartest, who knows. But it's the safest. Then, we see who dies and then we also see what scout has to find for us tomorrow.

If you're legion sapling and you're against a no lynch, please tell why. It's not out of reach at this point because everyone wants ****ing day 1 to end.

<3

[Bobble]

I'm not agreeing with Yawning being a top suspect. This is basically his first game, and yes, while your comparison with _ saying the same thing can be valid, there is a key difference. _ was experienced then, and had more than enough insight to persue leads and make accussations, but he didn't. That is suspicious. With Yawn, however, I genuinely think he doesn't know what to do in this situation. This doesn't make him a sapling by any means, but it also doesn't make him any more suspicious than the rest of us.

I'm not too sure about Ryper. He's good at the game, and has the skill to manipulate our perceptions of him. I can't really see what side he is on at the moment.

[Octavia]

I wouldn't consider _ experienced at this game. His play style is pretty poor from my perspective.

[Yukari]

Too many dead ends, and I'm brain dead from my lectures today. Ganna take a breather while I intake the... some what disappointing amount of information while I was gone.

[Bobble]

I wouldn't consider _ experienced at this game. His play style is pretty poor from my perspective.

I think last game, he was experienced enough to know basically how to play as Sapling and make some rough ideas and what to do, and thus didn't need to really follow along with the crowd. I'm not calling him Sneaky or anything.

[Yukari]

Right now I'm most suspicious of the people who voted people who only have 1 or 2 total votes on them. But again, I'm brain dead atm.

[Javu]

But for now, we vote no lynch.

It's always the safest move for a legion team. Always. Smartest, who knows. But it's the safest. Then, we see who dies and then we also see what scout has to find for us tomorrow.
It's also the safest move for hellbourne. It's pretty easy for them to jump on the no-lynch bandwagon without looking suspicious and just slowly pick us off at night.
Unless scout finds a hb tonight theres no way he is going to claim. If there is actually a succubus this game then even if he does find a hb its risky for him to claim as well, so relying on scout for information is a bit of a gamble.

All being said I'm starting to run out of ideas. Seems we need something really solid to get a majority vote on someone

[Ryper7]

Unless scout finds a hb tonight theres no way he is going to claim. If there is actually a succubus this game then even if he does find a hb its risky for him to claim as well, so relying on scout for information is a bit of a gamble.

All being said I'm starting to run out of ideas. Seems we need something really solid to get a majority vote on someone
then theres always that slight possiblity thats he's insane scout, claims, leads a vendetta against a legion player, when they flip legion everyone hates on him and lynches him and we lose 2 of our own. thats pretty worst case scenario tho, its gonna take a good few days before scout can reveal his findings.

i also agree with the last part, i think its in our best interests to get this day moving so we need to decide on a final vote. you can see a few pages back people were already starting to get off topic. i would still prefer to not have a no-lynch, but at this stage we do have quite a bit of information, so its not completely out of the question.

[Yukari]

then theres always that slight possiblity thats he's insane scout, claims, leads a vendetta against a legion player, when they flip legion everyone hates on him and lynches him and we lose 2 of our own. thats pretty worst case scenario tho, its gonna take a good few days before scout can reveal his findings.

i also agree with the last part, i think its in our best interests to get this day moving so we need to decide on a final vote. you can see a few pages back people were already starting to get off topic. i would still prefer to not have a no-lynch, but at this stage we do have quite a bit of information, so its not completely out of the question.

My thoughts exactly. I wouldn't mind ending today in a no lynch now that we have had some communication. I just hate no-lynch on an unproductive day.

[Ryper7]

today has been productive enough. we have ALOT of discussion. a no-lynch straight off the bat would have been terrible, but now that theres been a few strong arguments put out and some good accusations. combined with the fact that this town isn't gonna lynch anyone any time soon, im willing to change my vote.

unvote Lucian01, vote No-Lynch.

my initial reasons for not wanting no-lynch was because we got no information from it. well, now we have information so that aspect is taken away. i would still prefer a lynch as it would give more information than a no-lynch, but at this stage we can take the safe option of a no-lynch without the bad consequences of being stuck at square 1 on day 2 aswell, so its not so bad of a choice at right now.

i think its time we let the night roles do their thing and then start back into the heavy accusations and scum hunting tomorrow.

[Yukari]

Vote: No-lynch

I guess HB is going to get a foot up during the night, but I guess it can't be helped. Heres praying jerry gets lucky.

[Octavia]

Better off lynching one of the more inactive players than lynching nobody. So far I think Flamestick and Majetiq have posted like once or twice in the entire thread.

[Yukari]

Better off lynching one of the more inactive players than lynching nobody. So far I think Flamestick and Majetiq have posted like once or twice in the entire thread.

I originally thought about this too, but I want to give them another day. There is always the possibility that they get replaced too.

[Evil_Andrex]

Flamestick is around. He wasn't like this last game.

[FlameStick]

Flamestick is around. He wasn't like this last game.

Sorry for that was busy lately and in this game theres way too many posts so cant really focus on it alot.

Well im back so.

Ok so i vote No Lynch because theres a bigger chance we woll lynch a sapling then a HB and 1 dead Legion is better then 2 i guess. Its day 1 will have to wait and see you cant really tell anything now.

[YawningAngel]

Given that the only realistic lynchee is Lucian101, and I'm not convinced of his guilty, No-Lynch.

[Nolifer]

Sorry for that was busy lately and in this game theres way too many posts so cant really focus on it alot.

Well im back so.

Ok so i vote No Lynch because theres a bigger chance we woll lynch a sapling then a HB and 1 dead Legion is better then 2 i guess. Its day 1 will have to wait and see you cant really tell anything now.
There's still a 50-50 possibility that we'll end up with 2 dead legion. But that fact isn't changed wether or not we lynch someone. So I guess I'll unvote Lucian01 ; vote no-lynch.

[YawningAngel]

Vote: No-lynch

I guess HB is going to get a foot up during the night, but I guess it can't be helped. Heres praying jerry gets lucky.
I hope you're right, we're on a hiding to nothing if it's combo #4

[GrimmShado]

Unvote Lucian01
Vote No Lynch.

Also i don't really think anymore this is the right move but at least whoever dies tonight will reduce the suspect list. It's been productive but we need more info.

[Bwomp]

still dont like it, but since i obviously cant convince anybody about my targets i go for the main opinion:

=> Unvote YawningAngel

=> Vote No_Lynch

[Javu]

Urgh, fine I'll unvote, vote no lynch as well I guess.

Even though I really don't want to, at this stage its the only thing that's going to get the game moving, bring on the night

[Vahn]

Votes

Key: Player name (Number of votes against player) - List of players who voted.

No Lynch (10) - _, Bobble, Bwomp, EvilDrake, FlameStick, Javu, Nolifer, Ryper7, YawningAngel, Yukari

Lucien01 (2) - Fetyukov, Lucian01
Yukari (2) - Otolia, Ryoki

Chuth (1) - Emiya
Emiya (1) - Chuth
FlameStick (1) - Evil_Andrex
YawningAngel (1) - MaJesTiQ

With 10 votes the town has decided to lynch no one today. This ends day 1 with no one dying.

Night 1
Night 1 has begun, Night will last for 24 hours or till all power roles have messaged me with their actions and the hellbourne have decided on who to kill.

[ElementUser]

I pray that everyone will be alright!

:3

[Vahn]

Day 2
Night 1 has ended and the villagers wake up to find Bwomp the scout died during the night.

Time to find and remove these troublesome hellbourne!

Replacement player
Since MaJesTiQ no longer wishes to continue playing TheJoo is taking his place from now on.

[FlameStick]

its like the last game repeating itself again scout died 1st :(

[Javu]

Let's no lynch and wait for scout to get some information. Oh wai.....

[TheJoo]

Damn. I thought bwomp was the scout, and I wanted him to still be alive today. However, I think there is two scouts in this game, so I am waiting for my other suspected scout to post, among a few other people I suspect as HB.

[Yukari]

Lol bwomp.

[Yukari]

Damn. I thought bwomp was the scout, and I wanted him to still be alive today. However, I think there is two scouts in this game, so I am waiting for my other suspected scout to post, among a few other people I suspect as HB.

Other scout? Isn't bwomp scout?

[Lucian01]

Nice shot hellbourne, very nice. *claps*

Tis' a pity though, I was looking forward to getting some intel. :(

By the way, that was the longest day/night cycle ever! Real life days are shorter than this!

[Yukari]

Let's get the first vote of the day out of the way.
Vote: Chuth

[Ryper7]

Damn. I thought bwomp was the scout, and I wanted him to still be alive today. However, I think there is two scouts in this game, so I am waiting for my other suspected scout to post, among a few other people I suspect as HB.
so you think we have an insane scout then? what makes you think that?

also why Chuth Yukari?

[Octavia]

That's really shitty... I don't think we've ever even had a game where we could use Scout at all, he's basically a death magnet. I guess we're used to it by now though and I'm pretty confident we can win without him.

Do remember that if we do have an insane scout in the setup that the sanity of the living Scout isn't confirmed. Dead Scouts don't have their sanity shown.

[TheJoo]

Other scout? Isn't bwomp scout?

One of the possible combinations was an insane scout and a normal one, no?

Reading from Day 1's posts, I made some predictions of a few players alleigiances and roles. Finding one of my predictions correct was helpful. Bwomp made a quote very similar to Otolia's on the first werewolf: a bad idea when you play the same role.
I will vote Emiya becaue he has not said much all game. Trying to hide, no?

[TheJoo]

so you think we have an insane scout then? what makes you think that?

I predicted two players as possible scouts yesterday. With one proven, i wait and watch my suspects for valuable posts.

I will come back later, it is too annoying to type on an iPhone, and I am also at school.

[Yukari]

From what I know, there was no insane scout on the board. So I would drop the hope of getting reports.

I wanted to vote for either Chuth or Emiya. They voted each other during day 1, and did not contribute anything useful as if they were in their own safe little world. So here's me trying to bring them into the game.

[Bobble]

Oh god, not Scout again...

I'll review the posts when It's an appropriate time.

[ElementUser]

NOOOOO OUR SCOUT

:scou:

[GrimmShado]

O.O Hb haz maphack.
just to throw a few names i think hb players are active, and at one point 5 people bandwagoned on yukari while about 3 bandwagoned someone else. I think probably hb at that poin was making decisions as a whole, but the realized that was stupid, a constant +5 to a vote would tell us exactly who they were so now they are more conspicuous.
I suspect Ryper7, Lucian01,_, and to a lesser degree yukari. Never played with him(her?), so probably is just the kind of person he/she is, drawing attention and making lots of noise. In last games experience people who are too eager to assure they role as legion turned out to be hb.

[Yukari]

O.O Hb haz maphack.
just to throw a few names i think hb players are active, and at one point 5 people bandwagoned on yukari while about 3 bandwagoned someone else. I think probably hb at that poin was making decisions as a whole, but the realized that was stupid, a constant +5 to a vote would tell us exactly who they were so now they are more conspicuous.
I suspect Ryper7, Lucian01,_, and to a lesser degree yukari. Never played with him(her?), so probably is just the kind of person he/she is, drawing attention and making lots of noise. In last games experience people who are too eager to assure they role as legion turned out to be hb.

Why do people suspect Ryper?

[TheJoo]

Ryper seems to be feigning ignorance and stupidity, since he has experience in this game. Possibly a double bluff? I think we should gain more information first.

[Lucian01]

just to throw a few names i think hb players are active, and at one point 5 people bandwagoned on yukari while about 3 bandwagoned someone else. I think probably hb at that poin was making decisions as a whole, but the realized that was stupid, a constant +5 to a vote would tell us exactly who they were so now they are more conspicuous.
I suspect Ryper7, Lucian01,_, and to a lesser degree yukari.
That's a strange hypothesis, counting the lynchees as suspects. Autism or hb? Perhaps im not clever enough to tell the difference yet. Anyway...

Vote: Ryper7

Because that's who Bwomp voted for before he was brutally raped and murdered. He would have wanted it this way! :jera:

[Yukari]

Well I already made my case for why I think Ryper is innocent. If people still suspect him, let them be.

[Nolifer]

Let's not rule out the possibility of hellbourne voting off bwomp to provoke a bandwagon onto ryper.

[Yukari]

Let's not rule out the possibility of hellbourne voting off bwomp to provoke a bandwagon onto ryper.

I honestly don't think that was their intention. Bwomp literally outed himself twice with the key words "scout" and "report"

[Ryper7]

Ryper seems to be feigning ignorance and stupidity, since he has experience in this game. Possibly a double bluff? I think we should gain more information first.
how am i feigning ignorance and stupidity? i dont see how anything ive said has been ignorant or stupid.


Vote: Ryper7

Because that's who Bwomp voted for before he was brutally raped and murdered. He would have wanted it this way! :jera:
i knew this would happen aswell. its only natural to be suspicious of the people that someone who gets killed was aggressively pursuing. there isnt much i can say for myself other than what nolifer said about hellbourne killing bwomp to provoke a bandwagon, which i dont think is likely, or that if i was a hellbourne i wouldn't be stupid enough to kill off someone who had it out for me like that when there really wasnt much pressure on me at all.

[Yukari]

how am i feigning ignorance and stupidity? i dont see how anything ive said has been ignorant or stupid.


i knew this would happen aswell. its only natural to be suspicious of the people that someone who gets killed was aggressively pursuing. there isnt much i can say for myself other than what nolifer said about hellbourne killing bwomp to provoke a bandwagon, which i dont think is likely, or that if i was a hellbourne i wouldn't be stupid enough to kill off someone who had it out for me like that when there really wasnt much pressure on me at all.

Just ignore those two posts, they are bullshit anyway. Going to sleep, if it is really necessary I'll post why when I wake up

[Emiya]

I'd like to point out I have an underlying "strategy" in werewolf that I try to pull off each and every game, especially since I've always gotten sapling. This game it failed since I'm still alive. Generally to pull off said strategy, which I dub "hero of justice scapegoat", I post a few short lines which suggest that I have a power role and don't say much else. A good portion of the time werewolves fall for it. Sometimes they don't.

As for me not contributing if you'd notice I did say that I would vote to make a majority on whoever was closest to reaching it first. However I wasn't about to vote no lynch since that goes against my religion. I am a firm believer in lynching everyday.

[Lucian01]

However I wasn't about to vote no lynch since that goes against my religion. I am a firm believer in lynching everyday.
Lynching is goood. So far this game has a severe lack of lynching in it and I find that rather depressing. Seems like hb will be killing us with impunity for awhile yet. :(

[TheJoo]

If you play it every time, people would have noticed. If someone is hellbourne and noticed that from your previous games, your tactic would fail.

It might have worked, however, but Bwomp played an awful scout and if you really did try that strategy he failed it. His posts gave himself away, and simply gave the Hellbourne a scout kill from the first day.

[Fetyukov]

I'm going with Yukari on this one vote chuth

Although I'm still suspect of Lucian01, anyone wanna explain why we aren't pressuring him like we were yesterday?

[Emiya]

Well, it generally works since this is the first time in 3-4 games I've lasted until day 2. Which, in this case isn't cause for celebration since scout died in my place.

Yukari's argument against Lucian was pretty weak, I'm sure the only reason it was brought up in the first place was an attempt to get a solid bandwagon going. Nothing wrong with that but that's why it isn't sticking.

I'll vote chuth since I'm apparently the alternative candidate and have no reason to play scapegoat now.

[TheJoo]

Why don't you pressure him?
What's your reason to vote the same as Yukari? Why not vote Lucian if you think he's a suspect.

I think that if you shout out "i'm a sapling", you probably are a sapling. This tactic would obviously be pulled by hellbourne players all the time. Then again, what would a sapling have to gain from saying this?

Saying this, i am going to unvote and vote Lucian01. I don't suspect him majorly, but there is reasons for him to be hellbourne.
What is the reason for voting Chuth? I guess he hasn't done much all game, and is possibly inexperienced, but if he is Hellbourne i would expect someone on his team to tell him to speak up.

[FlameStick]

I agree with lucian and it could be a revenge kill :)
However TheJoo has a point and he could be hiding something.

Chuth being inactive isnt good enough since its day 2 and will see later.

I will hold my vote for now

[Ryper7]

I'm going with Yukari on this one vote chuth

Although I'm still suspect of Lucian01, anyone wanna explain why we aren't pressuring him like we were yesterday?
then vote him and get pressure on him. its for reasons lke that we had to do a no-lynch day 1 to get things moving.

as for me, my vote is going to lucian01. looking through the events of day 1 again, he stands out most to me.

[Lucian01]

I tried to lynch myself already so hb wouldn't be able use me to continually derail our progress (as they are doing right now). Lynching me tonight would effectively give them a 3 kill headstart, and that's assuming they don't try and milk it for any longer.

[GrimmShado]

I don't think we should vote Chuth. At least for now even if he's hb. Reasons to be inactive, he could be a power role hb, trying to get the info and kills without drawing attention, or just inexperienced or inactive.
We would be, then, voting blind. If indeed he's inactive probably he'll get replaced, otherwise we'll know for sure he's playing, just not in the day thread and we will have a confirmed hb. But as we don't know what kind of time of inactivity vahn allows, i'm sure that if a player do not play in two game days he'll get kicked. So, we got enough info on chuth, let's wait 'till we confirm.
On the other hand Lucian seems to be more interested in putting everyone against everyone, hoping maybe to draw attention far from himself.
In my experience people who get all defensive and start pointing fingers are more likely to be hb. At this point i really think either Yukari or Lucian01 have been agressive enough to be hb, and i don't believe yukari is.
He's the one with the most suspicious behaciour as for now, and thus, Vote Lucian01.

[YawningAngel]

Lucian01 has contributed nothing, but I'm reluctant to waste a lynch on a stupid sapling when I'm not sure he's HB. Other people seem more suspicious to me.

[TheJoo]

Then suggest these suspicious people.

I'm just voting for who i believe is the most suspicious at this moment.

[Evil_Andrex]

Lynching is goood. So far this game has a severe lack of lynching in it and I find that rather depressing. Seems like hb will be killing us with impunity for awhile yet. :(

Then we shall lynch. Vote Lucian01.

I find him suspicious because like another person said, trying kill us all.

[KARTlK]

Vote: Lucian01

[Chuth]

Ok.


First of all, addressing my inactivity. I am not able to participate in this thread 24/7, because I actually (:O) have work to do. I can't quit work just because some people think I'm gathering intell for hb.

Secondly, the votes against me. The only reasons I see for voting for me are my inactivity, and band-waggoning. I have addressed the first issue, the second... can't really do anything except suspect those who jumped on the bandwagon.

Suspects: (spelling won't be correct)

Emiya (role claim on day one)
Lucian01 (his posts are suspicious)

I don't really suspect the bandwagonners too much at this point though tbh.

[Chuth]

Oh, vote Emiya

[Evil_Andrex]

Anyone can lie. Especially in times like this.

[Emiya]

Get off my penis right now, phantom.

[Bobble]

I doubt Ryper looks very scummy at this point in time. HB probably looked to kill two birds with one stone, killing Scout and making Ryper look scummy. It's fairly shallow, and not hard to see through.

[TheJoo]

If Ryper is looking scummy, it's his posts that make him look like that.

I am off to bed, will check development in the morning.

[Javu]

vote _

It was fairly obvious Bwomp was a power role, most likely scout when you look in to it. It appeared as if he was trying to play a for great justice townie leader type role, which can be reasonably common in a scout (see like the first ever honwolf where sneaky was scout). That mixed with the few soft claims he made he really did out himself.

That being said I think it would've taken an experienced player to pick up that and night kill him. Jere would have most likely shielded Yukari or Nomes (probably not nomes as much this game considering his playstyle) which would have left Bwomp as such an easy target for a good hb.

_ was also one of the ones so strongly for a no-lynch. Even after all the evidence that it was such a bad idea.

He also went out of his way to let us all know he's a sapling. The way he is aggressively claiming sapling is interesting to me. He was hb last game and the way he played eventually led to him getting lynched, so if he was hb this game he would have to use a different play style. Otolia claimed sapling or legion (if I remember correctly) which led to him getting lynch day 1 as scout. Therefore this game everyone would be reluctant to vote off anyone claiming sapling/legion in fear of losing another power role. So aggressively claiming sapling seems like a good mix up in play style for _ if he is indeed hb this game as well

[Lucian01]

Then we shall lynch. Vote Lucian01.

I find him suspicious because like another person said, trying kill us all.
Legion can't kill hb outside of lynching. If you refuse to lynch then eventually you lose the game. Without at least trying to lynch sometime you'll never get any leads.

I'd vote for myself again but it all seems a bit futile, so unvote for now.

[Javu]

I also think voting off Lucian01 is a good move. He was the key suspect that arose from Yukari's 'plan'. Best case scenario we get a HB, worst case scenario we get some information on how Yukari's plan worked out and can get a stronger read on him

[Fetyukov]

Chuth convinced me of his innocence.

Honestly, I'm having a difficult time reading Lucian01, yukari and _. I don't think we should vote yukari, as he's providing plenty of information (regardless of affinity) and I don't feel like we've got enough information on _ yet.

Lucian01, on the other hand, has been trickier then a 10-hook bra, and contributes nothing for the legion, and has yet to prove his innocence. I'm 90% certain he's hellbourne, and even if he isn't we haven't lost much.

vote lucian01

I'm tired of passively agreeing with different people, let's lynch the ****er.

(nothing personal, it's just good business)

[Evil_Andrex]

I may be nub but so long as this bandwagon is going I'll follow along with some kind of sane evidence.

[Chuth]

Off topic, yesterday I played my first IRL mafia game. It was pretty good with 7 people but was awesome at 14 people.

[Yukari]

I also think voting off Lucian01 is a good move. He was the key suspect that arose from Yukari's 'plan'. Best case scenario we get a HB, worst case scenario we get some information on how Yukari's plan worked out and can get a stronger read on him

Erm, wut? I can't seem to follow the logic here

[Lucian01]

I find it amusing how fetyukov gets a free pass to make all the accusations he wants, leading bandwagons while contributing nothing to the game but spite. That said I don't expect it amount to anything other than a waste of time for whoever are the legion that fell for it.

Still I find this repeat of the failed day 1 rather disturbing, and will probably abstain from the game until the situation improves.

[Yukari]

Indeed, right now legion is at a severe disadvantage due to a lack of scout

[Evil_Andrex]

Maybe he was crazy scout.

[Yukari]

Maybe he was crazy scout.
I hope that wasn't directed at me...
If so: You have got to be shitting me...

[Octavia]

I'm not in the interest of voting off anyone who posts enough to be identifiable as scum late game. Much like last game if we vote off everyone who posts nothing meaningful, late game we can easily catch the remaining hellbourne in a clean sweep through diligent analysis of motive and posting style.

The current list of targets for this train of thought would be:
Ryoki
Otolia
Fetyukov
Flamestick

Considering Fetyokov's last post that was nothing but a blind hypocritical accusation, vote Fetyokov

[GrimmShado]

Nomes, i really want to agree with you. But i don't see it yet. All your suspects are indees suspicious but to me the most suspicious is Lucian. That and the fact he just posts to say "You voted me, you are HB" again and again, not realizing that makes him look even more suspicious. instead of trying to get a good read andlynch hb, he justs arguments (poorly) somekind of spite. If he's not hb, he won't be a very useful sapling anyway. I'll stick with lynching lucian, but i'm following your "train".

[Octavia]

If Lucian is hellbourne he'll just dig his grave further. Give him more time and we can only become more conclusive about his intentions.

[Javu]

Erm, wut? I can't seem to follow the logic here
You said your self vote was a plan to see how everyone would react, bandwagon, etc. I stated some evidence based off your self vote that made Lucian01 seem quite like a good lynch target. You reveal your plan and pursue the lynch on Lucian01. Seeing what Lucian01 flips would be interesting in regards to this. Not saying its going to prove you 100% legion or hellbourne or even make a difference, but at least it will give us some sort of lead to work off

[Javu]

I'm not in the interest of voting off anyone who posts enough to be identifiable as scum late game. Much like last game if we vote off everyone who posts nothing meaningful, late game we can easily catch the remaining hellbourne in a clean sweep through diligent analysis of motive and posting style.

The current list of targets for this train of thought would be:
Ryoki
Otolia
Fetyukov
Flamestick

Considering Fetyokov's last post that was nothing but a blind hypocritical accusation, vote Fetyokov
This is actually a good point. If we end up getting to lylo with 11 players left who are all active in the thread, not only will we have a near 50% chance of lynching hb but we will have a lot to go off and a good few hb should be obvious by then

[Ryoki]

I'm not in the interest of voting off anyone who posts enough to be identifiable as scum late game. Much like last game if we vote off everyone who posts nothing meaningful, late game we can easily catch the remaining hellbourne in a clean sweep through diligent analysis of motive and posting style.

The current list of targets for this train of thought would be:
Ryoki
Otolia
Fetyukov
Flamestick

Considering Fetyokov's last post that was nothing but a blind hypocritical accusation, vote Fetyokov

I do find that your strategy is a good one, however the only reason I haven't been posting is because my mind keeps getting changed on who to lynch @___@
I don't want to contribute information that I'm not 100% certain on. That's another reason why I haven't voted.

[Fetyukov]

I find it amusing how fetyukov gets a free pass to make all the accusations he wants, leading bandwagons while contributing nothing to the game but spite. That said I don't expect it amount to anything other than a waste of time for whoever are the legion that fell for it.

Still I find this repeat of the failed day 1 rather disturbing, and will probably abstain from the game until the situation improves.

I make sure my posts show my clear intentions, no bull. You, however, blame everyone, are overly jumpy at any vote.

I don't try to "bandwagon" everybody, I just read other peoples logic and agree with it or disagree with it. I read information, and arrive at a conclusion.

Maybe I'm just being noob at this game, but I'm trying to be as helpful as possible. And currently, I think being helpful involves getting information on players, following the logic of other posters. If this does not contribute to the Legion, please inform me how I might better help, rather than counter-accusations.

[Yukari]

You said your self vote was a plan to see how everyone would react, bandwagon, etc. I stated some evidence based off your self vote that made Lucian01 seem quite like a good lynch target. You reveal your plan and pursue the lynch on Lucian01. Seeing what Lucian01 flips would be interesting in regards to this. Not saying its going to prove you 100% legion or hellbourne or even make a difference, but at least it will give us some sort of lead to work off

I'm saying that it's a bad idea to draw a conclusion upon the planner depending on if the plan fails or succeeds. I did do my risk analysis (thus I didn't get lynched,) but again, I'm not perfect.

[Javu]

I'm saying that it's a bad idea to draw a conclusion upon the planner depending on if the plan fails or succeeds. I did do my risk analysis (thus I didn't get lynched,) but again, I'm not perfect.
Of course its bad to immediately assume you are hellbourne if he flips legion and legion if he flips hellbourne. But it still gives us something to work off and some information to take in to account

[TheJoo]

Yukari, why are you so sure there is no second scout? The Hellbourne would know this if their team has a succubus, since neither combination involving the succubus involves having two scouts. Earlier in the game, Yukari, you said there was no succubus, so therefore, you must think there is a 50/50 chance for there to be a second scout. But you seem to deny this strongly, where if you really think there is a no succubus you would likely agree to the possibility of another scout.

[Yukari]

Yukari, why are you so sure there is no second scout? The Hellbourne would know this if their team has a succubus, since neither combination involving the succubus involves having two scouts. Earlier in the game, Yukari, you said there was no succubus, so therefore, you must think there is a 50/50 chance for there to be a second scout. But you seem to deny this strongly, where if you really think there is a no succubus you would likely agree to the possibility of another scout.

Why don't you try the process of elimination? Or read some of my early posts

[TheJoo]

The process of elimination when my only solid info is a scout death? I suspect another scout, and a blacksmith. That makes me think there is no succubus, and you also said this yourself (apparently) but you still think there is no scout. I just don't know why you can be so sure of yourself, care to explain?

[Javu]

The process of elimination when my only solid info is a scout death? I suspect another scout, and a blacksmith. That makes me think there is no succubus, and you also said this yourself (apparently) but you still think there is no scout. I just don't know why you can be so sure of yourself, care to explain?
He's soft claimed blacksmith a fair bit which would mean there is no second scout

[FlameStick]

Hmm

Well Lucian is kinda suspicius and defeding himself and when all failed voted himself too.
Same like Otolia last game so its not very reliable.

As what Nomes said to lynching innactive players i have to disagree for now yet is only day 2 and by reading this i cant really think of any reason why someone could be hellbourne but take a guess.

I wouldnt like to contribute something wrong or just based on my gut since it can make me look like a liar or scummy.

I do feel suspicius about _ tho.

[ShadowExile]

Screw you guys for not telling me about a chance to play HoNWolf ;(

I vote to be a replacement (in the queue for being a replacement) if anyone should choose to drop out.

[TheJoo]

He's soft claimed blacksmith a fair bit which would mean there is no second scout

True. I will stick with voting lucian then, unless something else happens.

[Vahn]

Replacement Player
Effective immediately ShadowExile is replacing Otolia.

[ShadowExile]

Notice
Effective immediately, the party can finally start. I missed you guys :D

[Otolia]

Notice
Effective immediately, the party can finally start. I missed you guys :D

Thanks for that buddy, enjoy the game.

[ShadowExile]

Thanks for that buddy, enjoy the game.

No problem mate, enjoy your time off not having to read through 22 pages of text.

On that note, can anyone tl;dr for me the most scummy crap that's been going on in this game? It's 10PM and I can't really bring myself to go through all 22 pages.

[Yukari]

No problem mate, enjoy your time off not having to read through 22 pages of text.

On that note, can anyone tl;dr for me the most scummy crap that's been going on in this game? It's 10PM and I can't really bring myself to go through all 22 pages.

You're going to have to do some reading tomorrow then

[ShadowExile]

You're going to have to do some reading tomorrow then

:tund:NOOOOOOOOOOO.

*QQ*

[Rawn]

*puts up hand as another possible replacement*

I'm a newbie but reading this is highly entertaining and I'd love to get in on the action. If not this game, certainly next.

[Ryper7]

welcome back shadow. its good to have these games up and running again :D. now get reading :p

[ShadowExile]

welcome back shadow. its good to have these games up and running again :D. now get reading :p

Yeah I probably won't be back permanently... My computer is too **** to handle HoN so I've been playing other games, which kinda pulled me away from the community. Also when I was here helping to moderate Fan Media I had a reason to be here too, but then the Graphics Team was made redundant so I lost that reason too.

(And I finally started Uni, woo :D!)

But yeah these games seem like fun so I'll definitely stick it out to the end of this one :) But seriously bro you can't make a quick tl;dr? :(

[Octavia]

Yeah I probably won't be back permanently... My computer is too **** to handle HoN so I've been playing other games, which kinda pulled me away from the community. Also when I was here helping to moderate Fan Media I had a reason to be here too, but then the Graphics Team was made redundant so I lost that reason too.

(And I finally started Uni, woo :D!)

But yeah these games seem like fun so I'll definitely stick it out to the end of this one :) But seriously bro you can't make a quick tl;dr? :(
nomeswisdom very stronk player
yukari maybe has gone :madm:
yukari softclaims blacksmith and that this is setup 3
ryper is an untouchable number
majestiq fools me into thinking he is in the game when he isn't
evil_andrex constantly posts on how dumbfounded he is at every opportunity to look naive and innocent
scout is dead (nothing new)

[Bobble]

(And I finally started Uni, woo :D!)


Why would you be excited about that? Well, fair enough, I was excited about going back to uni, until I had to work through 5 hours of practical work. NEVER AGAIN!

[Javu]

nomeswisdom very stronk player
yukari maybe has gone :madm:
yukari softclaims blacksmith and that this is setup 3
ryper is an untouchable number
majestiq fools me into thinking he is in the game when he isn't
evil_andrex constantly posts on how dumbfounded he is at every opportunity to look naive and innocent
scout is dead (nothing new)
This is pretty much it haha

EDIT: oh and welcome back shadow! Now get to scum hunting and give us a hand

[Lucian01]

But seriously bro you can't make a quick tl;dr? :(
Just skip day 1. The only solid info given was our scout outing himself. :scou:

Also you seemed to have ignored my steam addy :(

[ShadowExile]

Awesome, thanks for the info. And that untouchable number business... Definitely fishy. I am thereby FoS'ing Ryper. Untouchable numbers are srz scummy business.

Also Lucian, I didn't get any steam add requests D:
Bobble, I love Uni because I'm right in the middle of the city which is so ****in awesome cause I can do whatever I want really.

[Ryper7]

Just skip day 1. The only solid info given was our scout outing himself. :scou:
trying to dodge all the evidence against you it seems.

[Lucian01]

trying to dodge all the evidence against you it seems.
Copy pasted accusations such as this one are not evidence, nor would he need to read though day 1 to find them.

[Javu]

Copy pasted accusations such as this one are not evidence, nor would he need to read though day 1 to find them.

Any reason why you suspect those three? Any evidence?


I'm not too sure what to think of Yukari at the moment. His play style is confusing, but he comes off as legion. His self vote wasn't like a lot of hellbourne when they self vote themselves. When most hb self vote themselves they do it out of desperation when they are being bandwagoned. However, Yukari wasn't in any immediate danger. He did it out of confidence it seems, rather than desperation. I'm willing to let him live for now. I doubt he'll be round much longer anyway. If he's legion he's a prime target for hb, so he'll probably be killed in the next few nights. If he's hellbourne then we will probably end up lynching him in the next couple of days anyway, depending on how he plays.



What is with all the people claiming sapling? Why are you so desperate to dodge attention?

Vote: Lucian01

Yukari is such a convenient vote for a hellbourne who just replaced someone. His self vote drew a lot of attention to himself and got him a few votes, so hellbourne can easily put a vote on him as well and fit in to the crowd. Replacing someone, especially hellbourne, means that you will be looking to post something to divert attention from yourself because if you afk/lurk you will look suspicious, especially just after replacing someone, so its so easy to come in and vote Yukari. His play style even means that you don't have to put a lot of analysis or reasoning in to your vote, you can essentially not say anything and vote him and it will appear fine.

One more thing, just a thought though. Gravens only post before being replaced was to say that he can't participate due to IRL problems. As a simple sapling you can put very minimal effort and attention in to this game if you want. As a hellbourne this game requires a lot of attention. Even with IRL problems Graven could still participate enough as a sapling to get by
Oh yeah, I copy+pasted all of this. Just because a lot of people agreed with an argument doesn't mean it was 'copy+pasted', it just means it was convincing and therefore probably right

(Dam this was on page 9, what a long day)

[Nolifer]

After skimming through the entire thread, I've decided to vote flamestick.

If we assume that he's hb, the "inactive during first 9 pages" might have been intentional in order to avoid getting caught in any "day 1 massive bandwagon lynch".
Since that post he's only been giving some vague suspicions every now and then, as if he's just trying to keep an active impression while not raising too much attention.

In his last post he actually states that he doesn't want to risk making a mistake cause he's afraid he'll look like hb. I'm guessing this is a lie that another hellbourne adviced him to tell so no one would point out his very careful behaviour as a scum-tell.

I agree that we have some other suspicions as well, and many of them are well-argued.
I wanna have your opinions on this, and yes I realize how much I'll look like a hb if the vote goes through and he's a legion.

I realize that there's a possibility he might be playing like this to avoid raising attention as a legion power role, but if I was a legion power role I wouldn't do this:
I wouldnt like to contribute something wrong or just based on my gut since it can make me look like a liar or scummy.

And yeah, I know I haven't played too aggressive/straightforward either, but flamestick is just too passive.

[Fetyukov]

Maybe, I'm missing something, but when did yukari soft-claim blacksmith? :tund:

[Yukari]

I soft claimed blacksmith/legionnaire, really really early on. I think it was in the first 3 pages.

[Fetyukov]

I soft claimed blacksmith/legionnaire, really really early on. I think it was in the first 3 pages.

Ah, found it, thanks. Interesting... I guess I never really thought too much about that sentence earlier.

[Bobble]

Also Lucian, I didn't get any steam add requests D:
Bobble, I love Uni because I'm right in the middle of the city which is so ****in awesome cause I can do whatever I want really.

What uni?

[ShadowExile]

What uni?

RMIT. I'm a Melbourne boy.

[Bwomp]

Q.q
Good job Hellbourne ;)
I would like to remark how ironical this situation is:
i wasn't able to stay online until now, and will likely not be able to be online in the next few days/weeks and wanted to write Vahn a mail in which i wanted to withdraw from the game and gets replaced. I already made up a list of my thoughts for my replacement player :P

sadly you now are all on your own now.

Wish you all good luck and have fun. Try to stay <1000 pages however ;)

Qualis Artifex Pereo.
-Nero

[Nolifer]

Q.q
Good job Hellbourne ;)
I would like to remark how ironical this situation is:
i wasn't able to stay online until now, and will likely not be able to be online in the next few days/weeks and wanted to write Vahn a mail in which i wanted to withdraw from the game and gets replaced. I already made up a list of my thoughts for my replacement player :P

sadly you now are all on your own now.

Wish you all good luck and have fun. Try to stay <1000 pages however ;)

Qualis Artifex Pereo.
-Nero
._.http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/wef

[TheJoo]

._.
this.

[Evil_Andrex]

In day one I was trying to pull Flamestick out of hiding, he still hasn't seem to do much.

[GrimmShado]

Will we get a lynch before hon 3.0?
Anyhow, my suspicions are on:
Flamestick, Javu, _.
and ofc Lucian who i'm voting for.

[Fetyukov]

My suspects are flamestick, _ and lucian01. I don't think javu is hb, and i'm almost certain thejoo is legion, as well as evil_andrex. Everyone else I'm still iffy on, and that could change easily.

I also wish nolifer would post more, I think he's clean but I'm not certain.

[Evil_Andrex]

I still find those who don't post as much suspects just because they might have something to hide. *cough* FLAMESTICK *cough*

[Lucian01]

Going after flamestick is a waste of time; he's probably just feeling a bit timid after seeing what happened to me. You'll never manage to get a bandwagon going on a passive player so early in the game anyway.


Oh yeah, I copy+pasted all of this. Just because a lot of people agreed with an argument doesn't mean it was 'copy+pasted', it just means it was convincing and therefore probably right

(Dam this was on page 9, what a long day)
That's such an incredibly flimsy argument, I find it a joke that you're trying to take credit for my lynching with that.

[Evil_Andrex]

He did not act in a way last game that would seem to make him look timid. I'm willing to let it drop if he simply did something.

[Javu]

RMIT. I'm a Melbourne boy.
Pfft, Deakin is where its AT

[Javu]

I'm going to unvote _, vote Lucian01

I've already stated my suspicions of him and he seems like the most likely to be lynched today and we have to agree on a lynch (no-lynching again would be the worst idea ever). We still have 4 days including today until lylo. We also have a 1 in 4 chance of killing a hb, which will slowly increase each day we don't kill one. So chances are we will hit at least one hb before then if we just RL'd, so I'd like to think we'd hit at least 2 with educated guesses.

I'd also be happy to lynch chuth, ryoki and flamestick. They're all pretty much afk and we need as many contributors as we can get to make sure the game doesn't stall

[Ryper7]

That's such an incredibly flimsy argument, I find it a joke that you're trying to take credit for my lynching with that.
You may find that a flimsy argument, but when you look at it all in the grand scheme of things it all adds up.

I haven't posted my reasons for voting Lucian yet because i wanted to see how things played out for a bit first, to see what other reasons people would give for their votes without being influenced by my findings in any way.

First I looked at his entry into the game.

Hey guys. As you can probably tell my sig I'm a sapling. I find the circumstance my arrival to ironic in the sense saplings are constantly being pumped out to replace each-other in the land of newerth. But such is life for the poor sapling.

So on to business, I think it would be the in the village's best interest to lynch Yukari. He's obviously a trouble maker, and more than likely a hellbourne asset. :bloo:

Vote: Yukari
I have already posted my reasonings on this post in another post but ill restate them here. Javu pretty much summed it up perfectly. This is a typical easy entry post for a replacement imp. You come in, you say something pro legion, and you proceed to jump on the current bandwagon for any reason you can think of (bonus points if you can think of a reason that hasnt been stated yet to make it look liked you actually researched it and came to your own conclusions), because its an easy lynch push without having to do any real fake 'scumhunting' yourself.



Now this post by itself isnt much to go off so of course we need additional evidence to support a lynch on him.

The second intriguing part of his game so far is how he reacted to the votes he gained from that post, and consequently to pressure throughout the game.

Copy pasted accusations such as this one are not evidence, nor would he need to read though day 1 to find them.
Every time someone pressures him he reacts very defensively, either saying that their argument is trash and has no ground, or like what happened with Yukari, just getting into an argument with them. He appears to be on edge, and doesn't react well to pressure. This is a typical scum tell, as a sapling wouldnt care all that much about pressure. Of course a sapling doesn't want to get lynched, but there's also no reason for a sapling to react so harshly to pressure.

The killer point for this argument is where he self-voted.

But as promised, I'll lynch myself if that's what it takes to uncover the trickery being used here.

Unvote: Yukari
Upvote: Lucian01

At this stage votes were piling up on him quickly, and it seemed that he would be the one random lynched for the sake of ending the day. That was when he self-voted. He had gained about 5 or 6 votes very quickly after javu stated his reasoning and got the wagon rolling. Seeing a lynch coming he cracked and put the vote on himself, probably as a way of shaking it up and confusing people out of voting for him. It was like a last ditch effort to get out of a bad situation. His self-vote was different to Yukari's. Yukari's always seemed more controlled and calculated, whereas Lucians came across alot more as just a panic tactic to distract people from wagoning on him.

The third and final reason for my vote is with the start of day 2.

That's a strange hypothesis, counting the lynchees as suspects. Autism or hb? Perhaps im not clever enough to tell the difference yet. Anyway...

Vote: Ryper7

Because that's who Bwomp voted for before he was brutally raped and murdered. He would have wanted it this way! :jera:
I was looking out for who would vote me as a result of bwomp's death, as it could provide some valuable information on the type of player that they are. I was the obvious target for an easy lynch push, being the one that bwomp was pursuing the most, you could push a lynch on me easily without much thought. I didn't think whoever voted me would be scum, but there were a few people i had my eye on who i thought would probably go for the vote, because that was just my observation on how they were playing the game so far.
Then Lucian fell into that role. It just lined up perfectly. First the easy push bandwagon vote onto Yukari, then when day two starts he goes for the easy push on me. Its easy for scum to go for these lynches because they dont have to do much fake 'scumhunting' to come up with decent reasons as to why to push for the votes, as the reasons are pretty much already supplied for them, they just have to twist it into such a way as to convince everyone else of it.

I didn't state the reasons for my vote initially this day because i wanted to see how he reacted to the vote first. And sure enough he's reacted the same defensive way he's reacted through most of the game.


So no that one post by itself doesn't hold much weight, but if you put everything into perspective the case becomes alot stronger. Which is how it works in this game. You cant gather too much from one arguement, but if you monitor someones posting habits, thats when the arguments come together and gain weight.

there is always the chance that he is a sap playing in a scummy way, but if you dont vote the ones acting scummy, who are you going to vote?

just my two cents.

[GrimmShado]

*Applause* Ryper. For a Hb, would be a rather too well organized post. I am not sure about you yet, but you put it in perspective nicely. First time i called his name he got defensive, ok "Autism or hb". Throughout the game he's been mor e interested in raising havoc and put queston marks above everyone's head than to try to find a hb. If indeed he's a sapling, then is his own fault to get lynched.

[Yukari]

I'm facepalming so hard right now. Please provide any evidence that you may have that suggests ryper is an HB. I would REALLY like to see them.

[Fetyukov]

I agree, I'm not 100% sure on him but I haven't seen anything to make me believe that he's hb, except maybe his reasons for voting for Yukari way-back-when were a little flimsy. Even if there is suspicion about Ryper07, he's so far on the back burner that I would delay any pressure on him for another two days.

[ShadowExile]

I'm facepalming so hard right now. Please provide any evidence that you may have that suggests ryper is an HB. I would REALLY like to see them.

an HB?

Terrible grammar sir. This leads me to believe that you are on Ryper's side, and that perhaps you replaced the word from something such as ally into hb to save yourself some quick formatting, and then posted it to save Ryper's ass. I sir do not buy it.

I shall watch you closely, sir. And I still have not read all of the pages so this is pretty much pointless conjecture. But still, Ryper REMAINS to be an Untouchable number. The evidence is adding up...

[Octavia]

an HB?
If you pronounced the acronym literally when reading it (rather than what it stand for) then you could say "An ayche bee".

[ShadowExile]

An applies only to the word that follows behind the word "an" if the word that follows begins with a vowel.

Even if the letter at the start is a consonant pronounced using a vowel, it does not count.

[Octavia]

An applies only to the word that follows behind the word "an" if the word that follows begins with a vowel.

Even if the letter at the start is a consonant pronounced using a vowel, it does not count.
"It is an honour to meet you sir"

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/an

[FlameStick]

He did not act in a way last game that would seem to make him look timid. I'm willing to let it drop if he simply did something.

If you look clearly the last game i didnt actially post as much the first too days but meh.

This game is even harder because there are too many players and pages fill like crazy the only reason i said that in my earlier post is because i feel that i may be wrong about what person said what since there are over 450 posts and its hard to analize each and every one of them.

Lucian01 has been the suspicius of all but as i said hes only defending himself and all of that turning cough him off guard. But he is our biggest suspect atm and i got a gut feeling about _ as well :/.

[ShadowExile]

"It is an honour to meet you sir"

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/an

The indefinite article, a rare circumstance among words beginning with the consonant 'h'. However may I refer you to a few examples:

"You sir, are an hero."
"I am an human."
"Could he be an hacker?"

I rest my case.

[Octavia]

Depends entirely on how someone pronounces the letter H

[Chuth]

Hugh-ellbourne not

ellbourne

[Chuth]

Oh: listen to this http://translate.google.com/#en|en|hellbourne (http://translate.google.com/#en%7Cen%7Chellbourne)

(you have to click listen, on the right side under the word)

[Bobble]

RMIT. I'm a Melbourne boy.

Wait, I go by RMIT every day, I'm in Melbourne too.

But Latrobe is the boss!

[Bwomp]

Nomes is right.
it should be spoken HB, since the "n" after the "a" should fill the "hiat" this is latin and means gash. if you try to speak: "a HB" you see that you cant speak that fluently, just like you try to say: "a army". Between those two letters, there is this gash, the "hiat". This is excactly the same if try to say: "a HB".
If you try it with "an HB" you see that it goes fluently again.
You have to really so H B and not Hellbourne, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM
some will surely have fun with that ;)

[ShadowExile]

nomes is right.
It should be spoken hb, since the "n" after the "a" should fill the "hiat" this is latin and means gash. If you try to speak: "a hb" you see that you cant speak that fluently, just like you try to say: "a army". Between those two letters, there is this gash, the "hiat". This is excactly the same if try to say: "a hb".
If you try it with "an hb" you see that it goes fluently again.
You have to really so h b and not hellbourne, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4vf8n6gpdm
some will surely have fun with that ;)

STEEEEIIIINEEERRRR!!!
prevent the thing from making my thing lowercase.

[Rawn]

Wait, I go by RMIT every day, I'm in Melbourne too.

But Latrobe is the boss!


Swinburne here. In Hawthorn so not far from RMIT. :D

[Javu]

This game needs MOAR Melbournians!

[Octavia]

Melbourne is shockingly close to Hellbourne

[Vahn]

And we get getting shockingly off the topic of rooting out the wicked hellbourne.

[Ryper7]

Too much offtopic, cmon guys get back to business :P. oh btw, theres nothing wrong with lots of melbournians, it is the best city in the world after all

[Yukari]

an hero

[YawningAngel]

The Legion's biggest problem in this game has been discord: so many voices have been heard that nobody is sure whom to point at or where to turn. This led to a no-lynch on the first day, and it will leave us with a poorly-argued bandwagon now. I suggest instead that we direct our suspicious at those who have sown discord by arguing or trolling inconsequentially: step forward Javu , someone who has contributed little by way of his opinions and who has enthusiastically jumped on any likely-looking bandwagon.

[ShadowExile]

The Legion's biggest problem in this game has been discord: so many voices have been heard that nobody is sure whom to point at or where to turn. This led to a no-lynch on the first day, and it will leave us with a poorly-argued bandwagon now. I suggest instead that we direct our suspicious at those who have sown discord by arguing or trolling inconsequentially: step forward Javu , someone who has contributed little by way of his opinions and who has enthusiastically jumped on any likely-looking bandwagon.

Though I've been too busy doing my Java homework today than to read through the past 25 pages, I must say I kinda agree that this is where it's going to lead if our remaining time is all used up. I haven't counted the numbers so I don't know how many days we have left before we're in a MYLO / LYLO situation, (assuming we don't get lucky and kill off a Hellbourne), which means all we're going to be doing (again) is a poorly-argued bandwagon.

I now put suspicion on Fetyukov purely because he seems to be like he's trying to be 100% neutral to avoid suspicion. AFAIK, it's natural for people to use language even subconsciously to hint, even if unintended, they're allegiance. His language in his writing seems a little bit stiff and forced which leads me to believe he is trying his best not to arouse suspicion or give any hint of what his role is. This stiffness just feels a bit funny to me, so whilst I don't formally vote you, as I really have nothing but this "feeling" to back up my argument (yet, I will go through these 24 pages this weekend hopefully, I have a test tomorrow and the day after), I plan to definitely unearth whether or not you are intentionally stiffening your language in order to avoid detection.

[Yukari]

Though I've been too busy doing my Java homework today than to read through the past 25 pages, I must say I kinda agree that this is where it's going to lead if our remaining time is all used up. I haven't counted the numbers so I don't know how many days we have left before we're in a MYLO / LYLO situation, (assuming we don't get lucky and kill off a Hellbourne), which means all we're going to be doing (again) is a poorly-argued bandwagon.

I now put suspicion on Fetyukov purely because he seems to be like he's trying to be 100% neutral to avoid suspicion. AFAIK, it's natural for people to use language even subconsciously to hint, even if unintended, they're allegiance. His language in his writing seems a little bit stiff and forced which leads me to believe he is trying his best not to arouse suspicion or give any hint of what his role is. This stiffness just feels a bit funny to me, so whilst I don't formally vote you, as I really have nothing but this "feeling" to back up my argument (yet, I will go through these 24 pages this weekend hopefully, I have a test tomorrow and the day after), I plan to definitely unearth whether or not you are intentionally stiffening your language in order to avoid detection.

Heh, I try my best to say legion instead of us whenever I can. I don't like to add that sort of tone in my text

[Nolifer]

Unvote FlameStick ; Vote Lucian01

Not too suspicious of Lucian, but I'd like to know what happens during the night.

[TheJoo]

Bandwagons happen all the time in this game. As I said, a sapling has nothing to gain from saying he is a sapling. As I find it, he is either a legion power role who has played like a complete idiot, or a Hellbourne. If he is a sapling, All he has done is to cause a lynch on himself from his own team.

[Lucian01]

*Applause* Ryper. For a Hb, would be a rather too well organized post. I am not sure about you yet, but you put it in perspective nicely. First time i called his name he got defensive, ok "Autism or hb". Throughout the game he's been mor e interested in raising havoc and put queston marks above everyone's head than to try to find a hb. If indeed he's a sapling, then is his own fault to get lynched.
Seems the arguments against me are just as nonsensical as they were when I left. You said hb was voting in blocks, i.e 4+ lynch votes were coming up too quickly. Then in the following sentence you accused me of being hb, which conflicts with your first point. Derp much?

This isn't being defensive or causing havoc it's simply pointing out the facts that hb are trying very hard to distort.

@ Legion, get off your butts and play the game. HB is working as a team and you're not.

[Yukari]

Seems the arguments against me are just as nonsensical as they were when I left. You said hb was voting in blocks, i.e 4+ lynch votes were coming up too quickly. Then in the following sentence you accused me of being hb, which conflicts with your first point. Derp much?

This isn't being defensive or causing havoc it's simply pointing out the facts that hb are trying very hard to distort.

@ Legion, get off your butts and play the game. HB is working as a team and you're not.

You're asking the legion to play as a team, when that's practically the winning condition

[Lucian01]

Bandwagons happen all the time in this game. As I said, a sapling has nothing to gain from saying he is a sapling. As I find it, he is either a legion power role who has played like a complete idiot, or a Hellbourne. If he is a sapling, All he has done is to cause a lynch on himself from his own team.
hb already knows who the other imps are. legion on the other hand don't know anyone's role but their own, and that's why its important for them to organize. otherwise hb is likely to win the game unless legion gets particularly lucky with random votes.

Speaking of saplings, i find it funny how _ has called himself a sapling in almost every post, yet for some reason it isn't suspicious when he does it.

Anyway, I didn't sign up to this game to get trolled for days on end. I wouldn't have minded if it were a normal length game but this is just ridiculous. I concede.

Vote Lucian01

Hopefully this will be a sign for legion to get their act together and break the hb voting block, that in my opinion, has far too much influence over this game than it should. :Halberd:

[TheJoo]

When was anyone trolling you? I just stated my opinion on you in this game.
When was a vote on you a random vote?

[Javu]

hb already knows who the other imps are. legion on the other hand don't know anyone's role but their own, and that's why its important for them to organize. otherwise hb is likely to win the game unless legion gets particularly lucky with random votes.

Speaking of saplings, i find it funny how _ has called himself a sapling in almost every post, yet for some reason it isn't suspicious when he does it.

Anyway, I didn't sign up to this game to get trolled for days on end. I wouldn't have minded if it were a normal length game but this is just ridiculous. I concede.

Vote Lucian01

Hopefully this will be a sign for legion to get their act together and break the hb voting block, that in my opinion, has far too much influence over this game than it should. :Halberd:

I tried voting _ earlier this day but no-one wanted to join me. There's too many players in this game it's hard to get a lynch on anyone unless they go out of their way to basically claim hb. Your the only person we have any decent evidence against so your the only one who we have a chance of voting off

[Javu]

The Legion's biggest problem in this game has been discord: so many voices have been heard that nobody is sure whom to point at or where to turn. This led to a no-lynch on the first day, and it will leave us with a poorly-argued bandwagon now. I suggest instead that we direct our suspicious at those who have sown discord by arguing or trolling inconsequentially: step forward Javu , someone who has contributed little by way of his opinions and who has enthusiastically jumped on any likely-looking bandwagon.
Can people please use quotes when they make an argument?

I don't see how I have argued or trolled at all this game, or contributed little by my opinion. I have always supplied what I thought to be a decent argument (with actual proof) when I place my vote (Lucian01 and _). As for jumping on bandwagons, I started the bandwagon on Lucian01 so I'm not quite sure how that constitutes jumping on one. If you could provide some quotes maybe I could explain my actions for the points your bringing up, but quite frankly at the moment I think you've got me confused with someone else

[ElementUser]

25th page and it's only Day 2.

:3

[Fetyukov]

Javu seems fine to me, I dunno what YA is talking about.

Also, remember it's my first game, don't read too much into the little details about how I talk ('us/we' vs 'legion'), my only concern is winning this game.

[KARTlK]

im a sapling guise.

[FlameStick]

Vote Lucian01

Well since most of you voted and i am feeling suspicius of him too i will vote him too.
Lets see how he flips out :)

[Vahn]

Votes

Key: Player name (Number of votes against player) - List of players who voted.

Lucian01 (10) - _, Evil_Andrex, EvilDrake, Fetyukov, FlameStick, Javu, Lucian01, Nolifer, Ryper7, TheJoo

Chuth (2) - Emiya, Yukari

_ (1) -
Emiya (1) - Chuth
Fetyukov (1) - NomesWisdom

With 10 votes the town has decided to lynch Lucian01 today. This ends day 1 with the death of Lucian01 (Sapling).

Night 2
Night 1 has begun, Night will last for 24 hours or till all power roles have messaged me with their actions and the hellbourne have decided on who to kill.

[ElementUser]

Sapling death :(

[Vahn]

Day 3
Night 2 has ended and the villagers wake up to find TheJoo has died during the night.

Time to find and remove these troublesome hellbourne!

[KARTlK]

Welll then.

Why has nobody posted yet.