Trouble Farming with tempest part II

[PerfectBlue]

Ok guys Im going to create a separate thread for this one to specifically diagnose where I am going wrong at the moment.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/wwarriorww/MAP-1.jpg

(camp A/C respectively)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/wwarriorww/tempest2.jpg

This is a setup I frequently see when farming, a set of eubulas at camp A followed by minotaurs at C. No matter how hard I try I cannot seem to get both camps down on one elemental spawn, and based on what ive been reading, I should be able to. Ive tried starting on minotaur -> move to eubulas and eubulas-> minotaur and in both cases I cannot clear the camps on one creep spawn.

Here is what I do in general. Normal attack one of the creeps to pull them out of the trees (so elementals dont get clumped in the woods harder to micro) and then spawn elementals, micro them. F1 move hero ahead of creeps to next camp, body pull, run them to elementals. And with all that its still not enough for me time wise before elementals despawn, thus leaving behind straglers from the camp equating to lost gold, experience, and a probable hit from them creep chasing me resulting in my mana potion being canceled.

Any help would be appreciated, or better yet if someone would like to get online with me and walk me through the process that would be greatly appreciated (if so account is PerfectBlue).

Either way many thanks

[Drasha]

just do it the same way as lego would.
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=11992

video on how to jungle
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=19507

[PerfectBlue]

just do it the same way as lego would.
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=11992

video on how to jungle
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=19507

Thanks I will take a look. I am hoping to find tempest player responses hopefully.

[Drasha]

I just try to double stack every minute and switch the elementals back before they die. I am no expert on it but its effective enough to get my blink dagger and keep up with the other people on my team.

[PerfectBlue]

I just try to double stack every minute and switch the elementals back before they die. I am no expert on it but its effective enough to get my blink dagger and keep up with the other people on my team.

Do you double stack for your first creep wave, and if so yellow camp?
Also how long would you estimate it takes to get portal key using this method?

[orixz]

You can get portal key in 10 minutes without double stacking at all.

Personally I don't start stacking until I have level 3 elementals, and even then its nowhere near as important as stacking with legionnaire

Make sure you focus the minotaurs and kill them first. Sometimes (especially with lvl1 eles) you won't be able to kill all the creeps in the second camp and when your elementals run out and you have a few options:

1. Just recast elemental onto the remaining creep and move on to next camp
2. Move on and later double stack the camp with the (usually) one remaining creep
3. Go 1v1 with the creep as long as you can survive
4. Creep pull if its the bottom camp

Go into practice mode and practice until your times get better.

I find a good start is to creep pull the first wave at 0:45 and finish them off then do camps B/C if there are no vultures, otherwise try C/A, otherwise try A/West orange camp.

[Pyros]

Haven't played much with Tempest, but you definitely want to buy an axe and cut trees to double stack, or at least kill both camps. You can buy it at the outpost after your first orange camp basically. When I tested jungling with tempest I also had issues pulling the yellow camp and an orange camp in the middle with the same elementals, so can't help you with that, but I guess you could just do the bottom left orange with the yellow since they're closer, then do the 2 light orange camps together with the axe, and double stack middle when you pass through(or just clear it depending on your level).

Double stacking isn't as good for Tempest as far as I know, the point of stacking on Legio is the more enemies who hit you, the more often they proc your whirlwind, the faster they die, but with elementals I think keeping a steady amount of killing is better than having one elem get insta killed by an evil double stack then lose time since you're missing elementals to clear.

[omg]

I think the real problem is because after the recent patch the elementals only split once, before you could get a lot of elementals between the camps. It is still possible to kill 2 camps though, but usually on the second camp my elementals go away and I have to attack maybe once or twice more to finish the camp. Before you could have like 10+ elementals not anymore :(

[Spector]

Barely play tempest, got portal in about 8 minutes last night in a normal mode game (imperative: NOT easy mode). Playing from Hellbourne jungle.

I didn't double stack the neutrals, I'm not sure how effective this would be as it may just kill your elementals/waste precious neutral killing time.

Generally I could kill any two camps no matter what once I got to level 3. Occasionally would have to tank a couple hits to finish off a neutral. I tried to always start from the tougher creep camp first then go to a weaker one.

Starting items:
- 2 x runes of blight
- 4 x mana potion
- 1 x circlet (no idea what its called in Hon)

Levels picked:
LVL 1 - Elementals
LVL 2 - Stats
LVL 3 - Elementals
LVL 4 - Stun
LVL 5 - Elementals

I could be completely doing this wrong because I don't actually play the hero that much but I thought 8 mins was decent. So please no flames, this is just what worked for me.

[Yoncore]

You shouldn't be stacking creeps as tempest.... no need.... After you get ele's level 2 you should be looking at his mini stun for ganking, not sitting in jungle for 30 minutes with lvl 4 elements rice farming. Thats playing the hero completely wrong.

Zero need for stacking.

[Spector]

Also what Yoncore said. Once you got the portal there shouldn't really be any need to jungle. You should be trying to gank while ur ult isn't on CD. When it is start pushing the lanes with ur elementals.

[Puchi]

here's what you do..

first go stand at the rune at start if its dd, ilu, or reg you take it inv haste is bettre for a mid solo, only take it if you use bottle and save it for a gank.

after u get a rune(if its on your side) u go in the jungle and w8 for the hardpack, if its minoture or skeletons you go for it if its one of the others go to camp b the medium pack and if that also fails (the blue guys) go to the next medium camp and creeppull it to you lane blocking your creeps thuse depriving the enemy team of exp and helping you ally hero in that lane.

after this pack is dead you can go deal with the next medium after this you should be able to hit 2 and then creeping easy as hell.

[PerfectBlue]

You shouldn't be stacking creeps as tempest.... no need.... After you get ele's level 2 you should be looking at his mini stun for ganking, not sitting in jungle for 30 minutes with lvl 4 elements rice farming. Thats playing the hero completely wrong.

Zero need for stacking.

Yes I agree but how do I go about my doing the scenario in my original post, or do I need to completely modify it and not consider farming yellow and then directly afterward orange.

[Capricious]

I go to the lane until I have level 3 (pretty quick) and then jungle with the level 2 elementals. After that, there is no problem killing 2 camps per elementals.

[TerranEarth]

Do C first with level 1 w/ Brillance aura ring + 2x clarities. Skip C if they have that tornado bird otherwise do C. Use clarity while ur monsters tank creeps. Micro your monsters so they dont die. After you do C move to A. Two camps should die w/ 1 cast of monsters. Move either to the down or to camp B. I suggest down and kill it then move back to A. Again avoid all tornado birds until you have ~ level 2 monsters + a spare clarity. If you running low on mana either pull or watch timer for rune. Only grab if it's regen or illusion or even DD just something that can help you creep until you have 170 mana again. If jungling MAX monsters first. So @ level 3 get level 2 monsters. I like to rush straight dagger if i jungle and the opposing team doesnt gank me. When you have 170 mana always do the biggest camp possible then move to the smaller one. Creep stacking isnt so good for this strategy. Just wanted to add bold to grab attention. This strategy works easily.

[Drasha]

Double stacking means more gold as long as you micro the elementals right you should not lose any. If you feel like you will lose some just kill a different spot first so you have a bunch of elementals to tackle the big spawn point.

[PerfectBlue]

Thanks terranearth!