Boycott HoNcast yes?

[MeowMiauMeow]

What a joke.

[Mercy]

Good god, suck these kids dicks some more brah

[FreudianTrip]

Why we supposed to be mad?

[RiceCream]

Honcast wants to keep their monopoly. It doesn't really matter tbh; Having some whiny kid cast vs some fat 25 year old that has 0 competitive insight, both equally bad. But Zaku>Breaky+henryD. The stream is better when you turn the sound off when HenryD casts. He hasn't been on the competitive scene in months, and when he was, he played ***** role glacius and fed, but i guess that gives him jurisdiction to call other players terrible when he casts.

[wikkedwhite]

Anybody can play competitive support.... Glacious support is easy.

What's wrong with multiple hon-casting? Gamereplays n gosu are good

[Warrioo]

Why would anyone boycott Honcast. I understand if some people want to choose to watch a different stream but that is not boycotting. I don't live in Denmark but that doesn't mean that I'm boycotting Denmark, I just don't choose to live there.
Honcast and the others are all fine.

[Snoopy]

Why would anyone boycott Honcast. I understand if some people want to choose to watch a different stream but that is not boycotting. I don't live in Denmark but that doesn't mean that I'm boycotting Denmark, I just don't choose to live there.
Honcast and the others are all fine.
Well, if you actively visit Denmark, then decide to boycott Denmark, and you never visit again.. that's a boycott..

If he actively visits HoNcast, and decides to no longer do that, he is boycotting HoNcast. (As HoNcast and Denmark both lose revenue from you not visiting the site/country)

[Neverwas]

Why would anyone boycot Denmark. Denmark is awesome.

[Toxyn]

Why would anyone boycot Denmark. Denmark is awesome.
i heard you guys get scared of any wild animal bigger than a dog.
OT: honcast dun goofed up.
Consequences will never be the same.

[Randdebiel]

What a joke.
http://media.fukung.net/images/9749/youhaveagay.jpg

[ControlF8]

I don't watch Honcast anyway... After they switched to fileplay why would I? The reason I used to watch them was simplicity? Now they are like any other joe shmoe out there....

Do I think what they are trying to do with their monopoly is a dick move? Yes.
Is it going to effect my life? No. I didn't watch honcast anyway. Not to mention breaky annoys the **** outa me.

[kippetje]

Anybody can play competitive support.... Glacious support is easy.

Support might actually be the hardest role out there brah

[Pimpmuckl]

Support might actually be the hardest role out there brah
qft !

[Nuraun]

Why would anyone boycot Denmark. Denmark is awesome.
My words exactly :P!

[Simon493]

What I love is S2 gives honcast money to do tournaments then honcast gets butthurt when other people cast them. S2 shouldn't support the monopolization of casting. All breaky had going for him is a slightly better than average mic. I really don't need updates on how flint can outrange a rax.

[FreiBierFred]

Support might actually be the hardest role out there brah

yep, one wrong decision and the lvl 25 soulstealer kills u in 2 hits ;)

[knowitall]

What I love is S2 gives honcast money to do tournaments then honcast gets butthurt when other people cast them. S2 shouldn't support the monopolization of casting. All breaky had going for him is a slightly better than average mic. I really don't need updates on how flint can outrange a rax.

do you even know what monopolization means?

lol, it's like this whole fiasco gave everyone business and law degrees.

[Secrecy]

What I love is S2 gives honcast money to do tournaments then honcast gets butthurt when other people cast them. S2 shouldn't support the monopolization of casting. All breaky had going for him is a slightly better than average mic. I really don't need updates on how flint can outrange a rax.

It is a tournament run by Honcast, they should be the only ones streaming it live. Any tournament run by a casting site would do the same, GameReplays did exactly the same when they held their tournament. It is not monopolization at all.

There are many problems with Honcast but this isn't one of them.

[Cyann]

I laugh at ignorant people boycutting Honcast for this.

[Blitzl0l]

do you even know what monopolization means?

lol, it's like this whole fiasco gave everyone business and law degrees.

People act like they know it all.

[Simon493]

do you even know what monopolization means?

lol, it's like this whole fiasco gave everyone business and law degrees.

s2 gives honcast money
honcast runs tournament with shitty casting and doesn't let anyone else cast
honcast has a monopoly on casting tournament

What is so hard to understand? He is preventing other casters from entering the market and acting as the sole provider (DERP DEPR MONOPOLY)

If S2 takes money from sales they should run tournaments open to all casters not let breakycpk whore it out for his shitty filereplay site.

Pretty much a very small portion of what we all paid for HON is going to breakycpks tournament and then when other people want to cast he goes ape ****. Cool story. Good use of my money S2. I didn't want a map editor or any of that other **** you promised. I wanted to watch some 1500apem kid tell me about how flint can outrange a melee rax.

[bUkKiTz]

What happened?

http://www.chaobell.net/newgallery/d/1583-1/slowpoke.gif

[Secrecy]

s2 gives honcast money
honcast runs tournament with shitty casting and doesn't let anyone else cast
honcast has a monopoly on casting tournament

What is so hard to understand? He is preventing other casters from entering the market and acting as the sole provider (DERP DEPR MONOPOLY)

If S2 takes money from sales they should run tournaments open to all casters not let breakycpk whore it out for his shitty filereplay site.

Pretty much a very small portion of what we all paid for HON is going to breakycpks tournament and then when other people want to cast he goes ape ****. Cool story. Good use of my money S2. I didn't want a map editor or any of that other **** you promised. I wanted to watch some 1500apem kid tell me about how flint can outrange a melee rax.

You are paying for the game, the notion that you deserve to have some say in what S2 does with your money is completely ridiculous.

Regardless of who the tournament sponsors are, it is a Honcast run tournament and they should be the primary casters of said tournament.

[rCore]

So if I organize a football tournament with my friends, and decide nobody else can cast it but me, will I be monopolizing football?

Why don't you organize your own tournament and show the world how it's done? That's right, because it takes work, work you're not interested in doing.

You're ****ing stupid, simon, no offence.

[Berethorn]

So if I organize a football tournament with my friends, and decide nobody else can cast it but me, will I be monopolizing football?

Why don't you organize your own tournament and show the world how it's done? That's right, because it takes work, work you're not interested in doing.

You're ****ing stupid, simon, no offence.

He's brazilian, let him be.


HUAHUEHUEHUE

[Bailer]

Just a little side question. What other commentary casts is there? The only one I know is honcast but if there is any better with good commentators, point me in the right direction.

[evotech]

Just a little side question. What other commentary casts is there? The only one I know is honcast but if there is any better with good commentators, point me in the right direction.

http://www.honreplays.org

[Bailer]

http://www.honreplays.org

Thanks I'll check it out.

[Zo8]

ITT: Denmark is awesome.

[Simon493]

You are paying for the game, the notion that you deserve to have some say in what S2 does with your money is completely ridiculous.

Regardless of who the tournament sponsors are, it is a Honcast run tournament and they should be the primary casters of said tournament.

i payed for the game and was promised a functional map editor/custom maps and a bunch of other **** that either took forever to materialize or still isn't here and at the same time S2 goes out and pays breaky to run tournaments then doesn't let anyone else cast.

[Simon493]

So if I organize a football tournament with my friends, and decide nobody else can cast it but me, will I be monopolizing football?

Why don't you organize your own tournament and show the world how it's done? That's right, because it takes work, work you're not interested in doing.

You're ****ing stupid, simon, no offence.

The point is s2 is paying for the tournament not honcast. If honcast wants to pay for the tournament I don't care who they let cast. But if S2 is going to throw money away on this **** they should at least let everyone else cast.

Also you example sucks here is a real one.

S2 pays for a tournament, then gives 1 person the exclusive rights to casting the entire tournament; that person now has a monopoly (SOLE PROVIDER) on casting that tournament.

god you guys are stupid

[Janiii]

honcast need more decent casters, Breaky as main caster is good, but he should ALWAYS have a co-caster from real competitive scene, I remember few casts were actually good, when Twista from unZ i think was casting with him, otherwise breaky's doing too much wrong predictions/comments, but if you know the game, then you understand what really happen/will happen anyway and just laugh at clueless breaky?

[THF]

So if I organize a football tournament with my friends, and decide nobody else can cast it but me, will I be monopolizing football?

Why don't you organize your own tournament and show the world how it's done? That's right, because it takes work, work you're not interested in doing.

You're ****ing stupid, simon, no offence.

No, you don't have a monopoly on football. But you could say you have a monopoly on all video recordings from the tournament, and it would be fair enough.

Monopoly doesnt necessarily mean something is bad. But it means, that when a monopol abuses his position, the consequences are worse, than if there's some competition.


Regardless of who the tournament sponsors are, it is a Honcast run tournament and they should be the primary casters of said tournament. Well, but primary doesn't mean "the only". When you make it "the only casters", it means they are a monopoly. Legally, they don't own the copyright for the game replays (as far as I am aware), so the whole issue is on a very frugal level.

Edit: IANAL etcetera.

[Decency]

It is a tournament run by Honcast, they should be the only ones streaming it live. Any tournament run by a casting site would do the same, GameReplays did exactly the same when they held their tournament. It is not monopolization at all.

There are many problems with Honcast but this isn't one of them.

Yep, and so we had good games from each tournament not get cast or get delayed significantly, while casters sat by wanting to give people good games.

That is pretty much the definition of inefficiency and both of them do it. And yes, it is entirely a monopolization: by refusing to allow competition of that specific service they have monopolized that tournament.

[Honcast]

It's called business. some of you get it,.some don't, you are entitled to your opinion.

Our numbers ate constantly growing daily we had over 2.5+ million unique viewers since we moved to fileplay which is up over 25%. We continually adapt to increase our user experience and we take the criticism seriously.

Thanks for all the input!

[Fuzzel]

It's called business. some of you get it,.some don't, you are entitled to your opinion.

Our numbers ate constantly growing daily we had over 2.5+ million unique viewers since we moved to fileplay which is up over 25%. We continually adapt to increase our user experience and we take the criticism seriously.

Thanks for all the input!


Yeah, LOL. Except for Breaky and Phil that is, but I guess that doesn't matter, heh.

[Zaarock]

Yeah, LOL. Except for Breaky and Phil that is, but I guess that doesn't matter, heh.

Actually breaky adapts, just not Phil the nerd who still casts like a self conscious pubescent and offers literally 0 insight on the game. At least breaky points stuff out occasionally that people pick up on his IRC.

[Pza]

What I love is S2 gives honcast money to do tournaments then honcast gets butthurt when other people cast them. S2 shouldn't support the monopolization of casting. All breaky had going for him is a slightly better than average mic. I really don't need updates on how flint can outrange a rax.
GR didn't allow anyone to livecast their tournaments either, I wonder where all these crying retards were back then?
Go host your own tournament, then you can choose who gets to livecast it. I find it hilarious that people are actually crying and thinking that anyone actually cares about their "boycotts" or what they think about how ANY tournament organizer decides to run their tourney.

I am sure honcast will listen to constructive criticism, but people going emo over Honcast doing a business move that not only has been done by other organization(s) too on HoN, but what also happens daily in other busineses.

ps. lets all boycott ufc, I heard they are charging ppv fees for their events and don't allow other organizations to co-promote or atleast livecast their events too, ****ing monoply!

[NoskillzNils]

No boycotting Prokycpk

[Fuzzel]

Actually breaky adapts, just not Phil the nerd who still casts like a self conscious pubescent and offers literally 0 insight on the game. At least breaky points stuff out occasionally that people pick up on his IRC.

How? Turned into honcast after like 6 months again today, just to find out he hasn't changed a bit - still no depth in his cast. Just stating the obvious and screaming like a tard.
Ofc Hippie still agreeing with everything he says.

[Narushi]

This game is easy. I'm surprised people take it seriously, and play 'competitively' lol. There's very little skill in this game. Most of the skill is picking your hero. Why be mad that someone that's not a 'pro' casts for a such an easy game?

[rCore]

How? Turned into honcast after like 6 months again today, just to find out he hasn't changed a bit - still no depth in his cast. Just stating the obvious and screaming like a tard.
Ofc Hippie still agreeing with everything he says.

With all that knowledge, depht in cast and stating what's not so obvious, how come nobody here has ever heard of you? You could be making a lot of money!

[Decency]

GR didn't allow anyone to livecast their tournaments either, I wonder where all these crying retards were back then?
Go host your own tournament, then you can choose who gets to livecast it. I find it hilarious that people are actually crying and thinking that anyone actually cares about their "boycotts" or what they think about how ANY tournament organizer decides to run their tourney.

I am sure honcast will listen to constructive criticism, but people going emo over Honcast doing a business move that not only has been done by other organization(s) too on HoN, but what also happens daily in other busineses.

ps. lets all boycott ufc, I heard they are charging ppv fees for their events and don't allow other organizations to co-promote or atleast livecast their events too, ****ing monoply!

You're missing the part where S2 paid for HoNCast to run the tournament, rendering your entire (terrible) argument invalid.

[BillDjango]

You're missing the part where S2 paid for HoNCast to run the tournament, rendering your entire (terrible) argument invalid.

S2 paid the prize pool. Does s2 pay honcast to run the tournament? no.

Oh and to address the monopoly claim. It would only be a monopoly if honcast didn't allow anyone to cast the games, period. Anyone can cast the games after they happen, just not live. It's not a new concept. Haven't found a casting organization yet that didn't claim exclusivity for live matches. It happens all the time in the real world too - NFL, NBA, etc, etc, etc. The coverage network gets exclusive rights to the content. Now sometimes they work out deals to allow other networks to cover the content ( in other languages, physical locations, etc ) - which is much less of an issue with internet organizations since anyone with a connection can tune in. It's not like network TV where one part of a country, or a different country might not have that network.

[Octavia]

S2 paid the prize pool. Does s2 pay honcast to run the tournament? no.

Oh and to address the monopoly claim. It would only be a monopoly if honcast didn't allow anyone to cast the games, period. Anyone can cast the games after they happen, just not live. It's not a new concept. Haven't found a casting organization yet that didn't claim exclusivity for live matches. It happens all the time in the real world too - NFL, NBA, etc, etc, etc. The coverage network gets exclusive rights to the content. Now sometimes they work out deals to allow other networks to cover the content ( in other languages, physical locations, etc ) - which is much less of an issue with internet organizations since anyone with a connection can tune in. It's not like network TV where one part of a country, or a different country might not have that network.The problem was with the ambiguity in the rules. It didn't explicitly state anything about not being allowed to cast games, it only said that spectators had to be official HCT members.

[BillDjango]

The problem was with the ambiguity in the rules. It didn't explicitly state anything about not being allowed to cast games, it only said that spectators had to be official HCT members.

Which will be revised in future posts. It's vague admittedly, it was the intent of the rule though. Don't know why we are still talking about this since its a settled matter now - but in the end if a tournament admin tells you not to do something and you keep doing it.....

[Decency]

S2 paid the prize pool. Does s2 pay honcast to run the tournament? no.

Oh and to address the monopoly claim. It would only be a monopoly if honcast didn't allow anyone to cast the games, period. Anyone can cast the games after they happen, just not live. It's not a new concept. Haven't found a casting organization yet that didn't claim exclusivity for live matches. It happens all the time in the real world too - NFL, NBA, etc, etc, etc. The coverage network gets exclusive rights to the content. Now sometimes they work out deals to allow other networks to cover the content ( in other languages, physical locations, etc ) - which is much less of an issue with internet organizations since anyone with a connection can tune in. It's not like network TV where one part of a country, or a different country might not have that network.

You're acting as if HoNCast gave permission for other people to cast the matches later. Granted, they don't need it, but I don't think most people would have done so without that permission, which I'm pretty sure wasn't given. S2 paid the prize pool, marketed and advertised the tournament, and it wouldn't even surprise me if they were paying HoNCast staff's salary. Running tournaments is really pretty easy, the hardest part is getting people to play and throwing money at that problem is one of the few times it works.

[BillDjango]

You're acting as if HoNCast gave permission for other people to cast the matches later. Granted, they don't need it, but I don't think most people would have done so without that permission, which I'm pretty sure wasn't given. S2 paid the prize pool, marketed and advertised the tournament, and it wouldn't even surprise me if they were paying HoNCast staff's salary. Running tournaments is really pretty easy, the hardest part is getting people to play and throwing money at that problem is one of the few times it works.

Honcast has never forbidden people from casting replays, they can't. I believe GR has casted replays of HCT matches in the past and yes breaky, myself, etc has mentioned multiple times ( forum, irc and over stream ) that replays are fair game.

And what part of S2 doesn't pay honcast is so hard to grasp? lol. Its been said multiple times as well. Honcast generates its revenue from ads.

[Hataruby]

Honcast entertaining value is the best. And if you've eyes open you don't need competitive insight, just a quality coverage of action is enough. So on topic: no boycott, the more casts the better for everybody.

[Simon493]

Honcast has never forbidden people from casting replays, they can't. I believe GR has casted replays of HCT matches in the past and yes breaky, myself, etc has mentioned multiple times ( forum, irc and over stream ) that replays are fair game.

And what part of S2 doesn't pay honcast is so hard to grasp? lol. Its been said multiple times as well. Honcast generates its revenue from ads.

There are costs for running a tournaments ie price pools
S2 pays those costs but doesn't take any of the ad revenue
S2 is paying honcast

Whats so hard to understand?

[BillDjango]

There are costs for running a tournaments ie price pools
S2 pays those costs but doesn't take any of the ad revenue
S2 is paying honcast

Whats so hard to understand?

Yawn.. I forgot i'm talking to forum people who know all.

Honcast is not paid by S2, period. Regardless if honcast has a tournament or not, they'll still be casting, people will still be visiting the site. So S2 giving a prize pool to play in a tourney doesn't increase honcasts cash flow. So once again, S2 does not pay Honcast. But we can twist this logic around - so what if people who catch honcast might not actually play hon -then decide to buy hon. Does that mean honcast is paying s2?