Best General Tips?

[Killda]

I remember a while back, I read a thread about general things to do that will make you a better player. RogerDodger was one of the major proponents that said things like, you can pick any hero, go any build and win the game just by playing right. Now, I remember some of this being things like, constantly be hitting creeps or heroes, but never be standing around, in fountain or in a lane.

If anyone knows what thread I'm talking about please direct me to it, if not, I'd love some of these tips again. I am by no means a bad player, I think of myself to be quite a bit above the average, just recently I've been playing really sloppy. Something like this could really renew some of those concepts into my head and get me back on my game. So, if any one has some advice, please, post away.

[Shinzuwa]

The best general tip there is is to realize that you're bad, that you're doing a lot of stuff wrong and make mistakes. Why? Because you need to understand that in order to improve.
1500psr is nowhere near above avrage, it isn't terrible, but it's still far from good. I view myself like a bad player who needs a lot of improvement on many things (don't feel like listing them all), still I'm 1600 mmr.

The second best tips to improving (at least improving from i-know-what-the-guide-says to something better) is to watch pro replays and your own replays, compare the two and compare, notice what you do wrong and improve.

Was it this tread you where looking for? http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=140535&page=2

[Killda]

Don't know why people still judge by PSR... I let my friends play my account for pub games to try out the game. I've been hovering around 1700 MMR for quite a while, and was playing at 1750 PSR when I was at my peak. Also our cevo team went something like 5-1 at the beginning of the season until conflicts arose between members and our roster broke up. I've read the stickies, I'm not bad, but I'm not amazing. I make positioning errors every now and again and I know it was dumb as soon as I do it. It's just...at one point I was consistently dominating those 1750 psr games. I just need something to drill some of those general guidelines back into me.

[Killda]

128 views and only one reply that's not me? :(

[Fidel]

Well i don't know about the thread you're talking about, But..

The biggest 3 things i'd say are;
Don't auto attack creeps and thus push creeps forward (unless you want that to happen).
Always be wary of the mini map, if there's only 1 enemy hero showing then you should be worried. Call your missess too. Ensure there are wards!! (if you don't buy them make sure your support does)
Don't overestimate how good you are at the game. No matter what there is always someone better than you at something. Do not underestimate the players / heroes you are playing against, Pushing too much can be worse than not pushing at all.

[Nite]

All of these guys are posting pointless unrelated crap in here. Don't listen to them.

1. This game is all about farm ESPECIALLY at lower skill tiers. I advise you to go into a practice game with a one hero that you want to get good at and sit in lane trying to last hit creeps. Nothing matters but the last hit, you want to make SURE you understand the timing at which you can kill/deny creeps.

2. Dont pick carries, to be a good carry requires a thorough knowledge of the hero and game itself. Pick easy stun support heroes. Never go boots/bottle first, always carry regen in lane.

3. Watch your minimap and NEVER chase heroes alone. This is not so much for the laning phase, but more mid-late game. If you do find yourself running after a hero quickly check your map and if there are more than 3 missing they are probably headed your way so you should run.

[Shinzuwa]

As there's no easy way to see MMR an madie's site is down, then what do you suggest we judge people from? Watching a handful of replays might do it, but as MMR is too hard to find then who'd do such a thing.
Also, most people asking for help are in <1500 and still regard themselves as above avrage.

Improving above the 16-1700 is much more difficult because it takes much experience and many replays watched.

I don't think general tips for people below 1500 will help you much if you truly are a 1700 player. But if you still think you need that, feel free to read the guide I posted earlier, it's full of those small tips.

I'm sure you already know it; but carry tp always. Ward if you're support, counterward. Last hit every creep (unless babysitting) farm is very important. Use the courier, make sure it has wings if the game is futher than 5 mins in. Don't position yourself in a bad spot. Aim those AoE spells, they're stunned just the same even if they're hit on the edge, aka make sure to hit as many as possible and not just one in center (except for chipper tar toss etc which doesn't work that way). Stack the neutrals. Pull the pulling spot at appropriate times. Don't pick 5 carry team. Don't pick 5 support team. Ward the runes for at least the first 18 mins. Make sure to have vision of kongor after 30 min mark (may differ depending on team setup), token of life is very important. Push when you're outnumbering the enemy team, don't waste your genocide picking daisies in the jungle. Avoid common ward spots when ganking. tp is a fun way to gank/contergank/escape ganks/save towers/save time and much more. Look at the minimap.

Nigmas guide to not sucking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e02e7qGhRwQ&feature=related

[Fidel]

All of these guys are posting pointless unrelated crap in here. Don't listen to them.

1. This game is all about farm ESPECIALLY at lower skill tiers. I advise you to go into a practice game with a one hero that you want to get good at and sit in lane trying to last hit creeps. Nothing matters but the last hit, you want to make SURE you understand the timing at which you can kill/deny creeps.

2. Dont pick carries, to be a good carry requires a thorough knowledge of the hero and game itself. Pick easy stun support heroes. Never go boots/bottle first, always carry regen in lane.

3. Watch your minimap and NEVER chase heroes alone. This is not so much for the laning phase, but more mid-late game. If you do find yourself running after a hero quickly check your map and if there are more than 3 missing they are probably headed your way so you should run.

You say the rest are posting pointless crap and yet i have 2/3rds of your points in my post too ? :S

[Nite]

There are no "True" 1700 players in the manner you are speaking. 1700 Player still need to work on above post's tips.

You see the problem with your post is that you are throwing numerous "tips" out at people (some not even understanding what they are) in huge numbers with no explanation.

IMO the only way to improve is to concentrate on 2-3 key play styles and master them. These 3 holding the most importance hence why i posted them.

[Haakon]

that's not totaly true that you can pick anything and go any build that you win(unleass your team can outplay the enemy team so dam hard) you should try to
1-don't play carrys until you have a really good knowledge about the game(hard carrys are really easy to play, but they need to be in safe hands)
2-try to understand and play all the roles in the game(support,ganker,carry)
3-pick the hero your team needs and not what you want(you should know how to play with most part of the heroes in the game when you reach a higher level)
4-learn to last hit well,buy wards/courier if you are your team support, don't steel creeps from your carry
5-learn to set ganks from the fog and use the fog in your favor
6-always carry a tp with you,you never know when you gona need it to help a team mate or to avoid a gank
7-learn how to pick heroes correctly you can't win a game if you get outpicked
8-if u need regen buy it in your courier don't back to base everytime you need a regen, you lose exp and gold backing to base
9-when building itens make logical decisions you won't get bad itens if you do this
that's what i can say for now

[Shinzuwa]

There are no "True" 1700 players in the manner you are speaking. 1700 Player still need to work on above post's tips.

You see the problem with your post is that you are throwing numerous "tips" out at people (some not even understanding what they are) in huge numbers with no explanation.

IMO the only way to improve is to concentrate on 2-3 key play styles and master them. These 3 holding the most importance hence why i posted them.

I'd say last hitting, positioning and mapawareness are the 3 most important things to work on. But that's besides the point.

OP said that he just wanted general tips repeated, and indicated that he already knew them, just wanted a reminder.
To throughly explain every little tip would take hours. If there's something that needs more explaining I'd do it, but I don't think it's worth to spend hours explaining something OP already know.

Oh, btw there's nothing wrong with picking carries even though you only hit 70% of the creeps when freefarming. How are you gonna learn if you don't practice?
I agree that you shouldn't play chronos in your first game, but IMO it's nothing wrong playing carry after 100 games, you need to practice that too. The important thing about picking is that you have a good teamsetup, and that you know how to play the here (aka read a guide/watch a replay and try it out in practice mode before your first game with a hero).

Hopefully I've explained why I posted as I did. I do, however, agree that the best way to learn is to concentrate on one thing (or a small number of things) until you master them, then you can move on to the next step. Oh, and one more thing, never stop wanting to improve, that's when you turn bad.

[Nite]

Oh, and one more thing, never stop wanting to improve, that's when you turn bad.

Worst logic ive ever heard in my life lmfao

[Killda]

Thanks a ton for all the contributions guys. Some things you've mentioned I've started to slack on, such as the constant tp's, and even last hitting. I've noticed I've switched to a more aggresive laning phase, which just doesn't always work out.

Now, the part of my post regarding the picking any hero and winning the game through general good play was supposed to refer to, for example, why can a top tier player come into a 1650 - 1700 MMR game, random, get any hero, and dominate. What are they doing that is setting them apart. Is this just watching and knowing the flaws in their lane opponent's play and consistently good last hitting? Or is this something deeper?

[Tetsuji]

Cliche. just play alot. Learn the whole metagame, adapt to it, learn jukespots, by just playing alot you will gain habbits as to when to stop pushing, where to juke, when to harass, when to last hit, when to be aggresive etc etc. There are so many things thats needed for you to get good at this game. Keypoints such as when somone comes to gank dont be over aggresive so they figure it out, be passive untill the moment your team m8 is ready to kill him.

In general what im trying to say is looking upon other players replays, guids, trying to do the same as them wont work if you dont have the same experience. I remember when i first started playing i dident even have the feeling of the game. After a while you just get a general feeling of when whats good to do.

Oh and btw first step towards improving, admit your faults, then improve :)