(Map) Forests of Caldavar WTF Mode

[_RaZieL_]

Not sure how many people think this would be fun, i used to enjoy it in dota
http://dream.heroesofnewerth.com/map/_RaZieL_/Wtf Mode Caldavar (http://dream.heroesofnewerth.com/map/_RaZieL_/Wtf%20Mode%20Caldavar)

Basically, no cooldowns and infinite mana on the caldavar map

and heres a mediafire link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?a13xjdojeluf5ra

[Oloko]

Wasn't WTF mode only no cooldown? I didn't play it that much, but I think you had mana cost on spells. I guess this will make it even more "WTF". :D

I looked at the map and it seems you missed some things.
One thing I would recommend you to do is to remove unnecessary files from the map. You should only need the following files:

legion_base.entity
hellbourne_base.entity
state_wtfmodeh.entity OR state_wtfmodel.entity

You only need one state since it has the same effect, it doesn't need to be in the same folder as your ability. You might also want to remove the "duration" attribute on the aura since it's not used.

There is also an issue with some spells where they don't work with cooldown but with charges and timers. Spells like Chipper's rocket still has a "cooldown" even with the aura.

[_RaZieL_]

Wasn't WTF mode only no cooldown? I didn't play it that much, but I think you had mana cost on spells. I guess this will make it even more "WTF". :D

I looked at the map and it seems you missed some things.
One thing I would recommend you to do is to remove unnecessary files from the map. You should only need the following files:

legion_base.entity
hellbourne_base.entity
state_wtfmodeh.entity OR state_wtfmodel.entity

You only need one state since it has the same effect, it doesn't need to be in the same folder as your ability. You might also want to remove the "duration" attribute on the aura since it's not used.

There is also an issue with some spells where they don't work with cooldown but with charges and timers. Spells like Chipper's rocket still has a "cooldown" even with the aura.

thanks for the input, im looking into something for the charges and timers and im going to remove those files, this was just a 5min rough draft to see if people were interested may have to edit those abilities

EDIT: i might even go as far as to edit all the spells,maybe balance it and so on, but it depends on interest
EDIT2: mana was replenished on spellcast in dota

[Dunderklump1]

EDIT2: mana was replenished on spellcast in dota

yea, probably true, because I remember that if you got manadrained to below the ammount of mana you needed for a skill, you couldnt use it.

[Sheapy]

You could only Ball Lightning as far as your mana pool allowed you to (Unless you spammed Static Remnant which replenished your mana).

[Dicemaster]

didnt wtf include free spellchoice? u got some startpoints which could be used to buy spells? (ofc ultimates costs so much it can only taken once)

[LonJAXsoN]

didnt wtf include free spellchoice? u got some startpoints which could be used to buy spells? (ofc ultimates costs so much it can only taken once)

That was omg mode...

[_RaZieL_]

yea, probably true, because I remember that if you got manadrained to below the ammount of mana you needed for a skill, you couldnt use it.

Whats the general opinion on this, should i make it restore mana on spellcast or keep it at the regen method?

[scott3h]

lol legionnaire would be epic. taunt taunt taunt taunt taunt taunt taunt

[Ultimabasher]

lol legionnaire would be epic. taunt taunt taunt taunt taunt taunt taunt

Yeah rofl, think about dw, 950 physical dmg nuke with no cd :P
And what about Black, multicast multicast multicast :P

[tchackie]

1. Pick Thunderbringer
2. Get to lvl 6
3. Spam R

[LonJAXsoN]

Refill on spellcast. That's how it is in DotA. I was a regular wtf mode player.


1. Pick Thunderbringer
2. Get to lvl 6
3. Spam R

That's why you play banning pick or remove all globals. Otherwise, I would have a shrunken long before he reached 6... probably within 2 minutes.

[Pness]

Wouldnt this be stupid? Just be thunderbringer and stay in pool and 24/7 ult.

[Ultimabasher]

Or be ophelia and keep healing the team, win win win.

Or be chronos, bubble all heroes and keep attacking towers, keep refreshing bubble.

I believe atleast giving a minor cd on spells like 2 secs is viable, 10 secs for ult, or its doctor repulsor coming right from spawn to instagibb you

[Nemesis]

please gief this mode. I loved it in dota, its freaking awesome, unlimited thunder ulties :D

[Raven_Corp]

I remember the sweet lag Shivas guard caused from spamming.

[OrehRuoy]

I did this mode but went about it differently. Im thinking of ways to balance a mode thats not meant to be balanced. At least take away some heroes abilities to make it unplayable as mentioned.... Accursed that can not die... global ults constantly so on.

I was thinking making normal spells either keep their mana costs or go to 1 or 0. Then ults get raised real high either all the same or depending on how powerful they are. Say tb ult you can do a few times before your out of mana and have to go to well. Some skills will not be useful at all either so maybe I will give them some more power to balance it out. I will stop though if no one has any interest.

[Hax]

Lvl 1 pharaoh > all. Just sayin.

[Kurczak]

FEAR THE CHIPREL :D
Imagine a barrage of 10 rockets heading your way :D
Also, bombardier is an honorable mention.

Spamming kraken's ult could be quite fun too :)
valkyrie is quite LOL too, leap over half the map :D

[Baiocco]

why when i create this map i stay in REMOTE GAME STARTING all time??

[OrehRuoy]

I did this and it is funny to spam a certain spell. I didn't have unlimited mana so it wasnt forever but enough to do a lot of damage lol. I set chippers rocket count to 50 and yes it was fun to spam those lol.

Anyways if you want any ideas or how I went about doing mine let me know. I edited the spells rather than your method. I dont know how yours works really but mine seemed to work out fine.

[Gimlyly]

armadooooooooooooooon

[Tischel]

sw lv 6 kills you even at fountain

[Starz0rz]

sw lv 6 kills you even at fountain

tb is worse, phara rapes you at lvl 1

[zarut]

tb is worse, phara rapes you at lvl 1

:tort: rapes everything, just sayin

[OrehRuoy]

OP are you still working on this or?

[Ayevee]

Yay! Can't wait for some servers to show up.

[Slut]

This is awesome, I wish it would get implemented.

[FlameStick]

This isn't working for me for some reason, just tried it, spells have full cooldown, nothing is different from the normal map

Did you put the WTf mode in the ''map slider''

[AWOL`]

Intant NO for WTFmode since brainless skills spamming around is unnecessary.

I'd rather see OMGmode.

[Slut]

Intant NO for WTFmode since brainless skills spamming around is unnecessary.

I'd rather see OMGmode.

So because you don't like it no one should get it ? How does adding a WTF map hinder your ability to play a OMG map that isn't even made ? and from the looks of it it's not going to get made ?




Did you put the WTf mode in the ''map slider''
I edited my post! Looks like I didn't pick the right map.

[Slut]

Why isn't this map moved to completed ? It's identical to WTF so I don't see what else there is left to add

[Oloko]

Why isn't this map moved to completed ? It's identical to WTF so I don't see what else there is left to add

Well the last time I downloaded the map it still had some spell that still had "cooldown", like Chipper's rocket still had a cooldown and charges.

The author himself looked like he wanted to make some change to the system, so unless he tells me the map is complete I won't move it.

There isn't a single map in the "completed" section since I would need to be told by the author that they find their maps is officially finished before moving them. Since this new forum was created yesterday, it might take a while to have some maps in there.

[FlameStick]

Well the last time I downloaded the map it still had some spell that still had "cooldown", like Chipper's rocket still had a cooldown and charges.

The author himself looked like he wanted to make some change to the system, so unless he tells me the map is complete I won't move it.

There isn't a single map in the "completed" section since I would need to be told by the author that they find their maps is officially finished before moving them. Since this new forum was created yesterday, it might take a while to have some maps in there.

you're a moderator now??

Contgratz :)

[OrehRuoy]

if this guy abandons this as it seems he hasnt posted in a while I can get a version out

[AWOL`]

So because you don't like it no one should get it ? How does adding a WTF map hinder your ability to play a OMG map that isn't even made ? and from the looks of it it's not going to get made ?




Brain problems or what?

Did I say something like "Dont create WTF mode because i say so" ? No, so stop putting words into my mouth. I just clearly shared my opinion, thats what forum is for.

[Jesus]

TBH, if you extracted the hero and skill entities you could probably make a script which edits the manacost and cooldown. Repackage it up as a mod (not technically a map though). As for a "real" map cooldown: You could have a unit emitting a global 100% CD Reduction aura? Mana, no idea. Maybe do something with the mana battery aura to catch spell casts?

[Oloko]

you're a moderator now??

Contgratz :)

Thank you. Yes, I'm a trial moderator for now, but lets keep it to the actual thread.


TBH, if you extracted the hero and skill entities you could probably make a script which edits the manacost and cooldown. Repackage it up as a mod (not technically a map though). As for a "real" map cooldown: You could have a unit emitting a global 100% CD Reduction aura? Mana, no idea. Maybe do something with the mana battery aura to catch spell casts?

Right now the actual script reduce every spell cooldown by 100%, so it works for almost every spell. The only issue is with spells that uses charges, timer or other scripted "cooldown". So if someone would want to make it perfect, he could simply "remake" those few spells that don't work.

[Slut]

Brain problems or what?

Did I say something like "Dont create WTF mode because i say so" ? No, so stop putting words into my mouth. I just clearly shared my opinion, thats what forum is for.

You said "instant NO" to the implementation of this map, I don't see the reasoning behind it ? Implementing 1 map doesn't reduce the chances of others getting in.

[pedobearpig]

You said "instant NO" to the implementation of this map, I don't see the reasoning behind it ? Implementing 1 map doesn't reduce the chances of others getting in.

you are talking to the same community that didn't like a mode they didn't play (EM), and got it successfully removed from the game. Then the next day, complained that em players were in their NM games. Abandon reasoning and critical thinking when you are dealing with the HoN community, you will fare better.

[Oloko]

AWOL` only stated his opinion that he doesn't like the idea of a WTF map. Has a map maker, I would prefer it if people would told me clearly if their are interested or not in my map idea. If there were a greater number of people that doesn't want it, then I would think twice before putting time in creating the map.

Now lets try to keep the discussion on topic.

[Baiocco]

this map it's great....but i need to play in custom game vs players whit brain not vs bots^_^

[`doxical]

you are talking to the same community that didn't like a mode they didn't play (EM), and got it successfully removed from the game. Then the next day, complained that em players were in their NM games. Abandon reasoning and critical thinking when you are dealing with the HoN community, you will fare better.

Why are you still here? I thought you were leaving with -em.

[pedobearpig]

Why are you still here? I thought you were leaving with -em.
http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/oh_you.jpg

thank you for proving my point cutie.

[Slut]

This map has some bugs apparently. Sometimes I start the game and get the buff for 100% reduced cooldowns sometimes I don't for some reason ?

http://i.imgur.com/Tmkkb.jpg

[Oloko]

This map has some bugs apparently. Sometimes I start the game and get the buff for 100% reduced cooldowns sometimes I don't for some reason ?

[...]

You will need to host the map twice before playing it. This a known issue when overwriting official entities.

[Slut]

^ yeah just figured it out myself, thanks

[OhBob]

Epic hero for this mode = Pharaoh. Cast 50 hellfires than ult someone (and cast lots of mummies in case yu want to push people)

[Oloko]

Epic hero for this mode = Pharaoh. Cast 50 hellfires than ult someone (and cast lots of mummies in case yu want to push people)

Well since you can't stack hellfire, it probably wouldn't do much. :p

I would rather go for something like Armadon spike spamming. Stay 3sec near me and you're dead.

[XDea]

I guess the map would have a bd or bp basically ... but the map on dota was really fun, and players agree to avoid overpower ultimates on the picking fase,(you got kicking option, you can agree to kick the first noob that pick a baned hero) also ... isn't imposible to survive tb or sw or pharaon =& ... ur skill is the best way to beat them xD

PD.- maybe adding some cd to those overpower skills , remember linken block tb and on hon sw ultimate also...( on dota wasn't blocked sw ulti).
PD 2.- Custom maps are for relax...always good to have them - WTF - OMG - Tower defence - enfos - Footman wars - purge wars - castle defence - survive mode - hero survival - capture the flag ... imagine if hon could let us play freely....

[Kazadory]

Well since you can't stack hellfire, it probably wouldn't do much. :p

I would rather go for something like Armadon spike spamming. Stay 3sec near me and you're dead.

Actually hellfire stacks, go into practice mode and pick :phar: open the test box. put at least one point in hellfire. spam the refresh button and hellfire like a boss :D

[Slut]

I don't think anything would beat hellbringer actually (if all heroes were alloweD), farm some items (magic armor and regen) by the time u hit level 6 then teleport to fountain (to counter thunderbringer's ulti spam) and then just spam your ulti 100 times and go push the base :)

[IgiveFeedToU]

I don't think anything would beat hellbringer actually (if all heroes were alloweD), farm some items (magic armor and regen) by the time u hit level 6 then teleport to fountain (to counter thunderbringer's ulti spam) and then just spam your ulti 100 times and go push the base :)

if you reach lvl 6 befor him that is :)

[Tricon]

I can't host a game with this mode, just says "Remote game starting..." help me please. :<

[Schm0ftie]

You have to change server to "Practice". You can't play them online with other. If the server does not help check if you entered a name for the game to host.

[Tricon]

You have to change server to "Practice". You can't play them online with other. If the server does not help check if you entered a name for the game to host.

So this can't be played online in any way?

It works in practice for me, but it's not really fun. :D

[Schm0ftie]

No at this moment it is not possible. Maps are mostly hosted to the dream site were you can support them by voting for them. So one day the will be implement or S2 finally add a possibility to host by yourself. =)

[KingReaper]

scout best hero in this map, infinite crossbow shots!

[LonJAXsoN]

Heroes are basically irrelevant in wtf mode. It's all about the items. Alch bones, portal key, codex, and sheep. All you need to win. Of course, nullstone and shrunken are banned items.

[mao_zebong]

Vindi is a counter to TB. Cast that silence on the entire game xD

[LonJAXsoN]

Vindi is a counter to TB. Cast that silence on the entire game xD

Then I'll find you with my portal key and codex...

[OrehRuoy]

vindi would make it not too much fun since no one could ever cast a spell well on the other team... I would think he would be the best hero on here..... since abusing spells is the point and he doesnt allow that at all. Your team on the other hand can so yeah vindi would be instant win at 6 with infinite mana and a non retarded team

[MMCD]

vindi would make it not too much fun since no one could ever cast a spell well on the other team... I would think he would be the best hero on here..... since abusing spells is the point and he doesnt allow that at all. Your team on the other hand can so yeah vindi would be instant win at 6 with infinite mana and a non retarded team

I tried the map out, items don't have cooldowns either. Nullstone is awesome! Failing that, pick up a whispering helm and control every jungle creep on the map over the space of like 3 minutes. You'd then be able to take kong and push a whole lane in a matter abotu 60 seconds.

[G4nGR3L]

im having problems to load the map...i can see it on the maplist but it says: "Remote game starting..." and doesnt load the map

[Schm0ftie]

You have to choose "Practice Game" as server type.
"Remote game starting..." appears only if you try to
host a map on official servers which don't have the map =)

[redeye998]

Whats the reason of all those if we can't add them to play together?

[an7hraxjax]

Whats the reason of all those if we can't add them to play together yet?
4chars

[C00LBeans]

When will they release multiplayer map editor so we can freaking play these awesome maps!

[Bradfucius]

:pred: so i herd i haz permanent magic immunity.

[LonJAXsoN]

:pred: so i herd i haz permanent magic immunity.

And the second you get bored of spamming it, I'll be there with my port key and sheep stick.

Edit: To the map creator... I found many issues I hope you're going to fix.

1. Charge based abilities and items still have a cooldown.
2. When you're damaged by an enemy, portal key doesn't go on cooldown.
3. When you spam geometer's bane, it creates additional illusions rather than replacing the old ones. It should kill the previous ones when you spawn new ones.

[Dark_Kratos]

we can't play online this map right ?

[Schm0ftie]

Not at this moment, right!

[Majko]

:trem: impossible to kill, just spam 1. ability

(yea, it stacks)

[LonJAXsoN]

:trem: impossible to kill, just spam 1. ability

(yea, it stacks)

If you think tremble is impossible to kill you haven't tried torturer or moon queen. (yeah, they stack)

[Antemanz]

I still have CD and manacost? Even though I'm standing by the main base structures :S

[Schm0ftie]

try to load the map twice

[Mummpitz]

I wish god gave ppl the ability to read before posting.

[_RaZieL_]

Hey guys, sorry for looking like i abandoned the project. I am still working on it, il be honest i just got caught up in the recent wave of console games. My end goal is to remove/change some abilities on heroes as well as removing/changing some items. its become clear to me that i will also have to do something about the graphics related lag. I want the end result to be something that is enjoyable to all and im hoping to gather some of the experience necessary to work on a hero siege as that was one of my favorite map types in wc3

[Grey_Fox]

:trem: impossible to kill, just spam 1. ability

(yea, it stacks)

Tremble is easy if you have a decent pesti. just cast ulti at him and no more invis anymore---->dead

[Naxemal]

Whats the general opinion on this, should i make it restore mana on spellcast or keep it at the regen method?

Should be restore mana on spellcast, mostly to keep doctor in line, not much difference besides that.

1 suggestion I'd like to propose is to give all global spells short cooldown so people would finally stop saying "pick tb spam r gg" etc. Something like 10 sec on tb, sand, vindi, flux and bomb ult, 5 sec on ophelia's ult, pharaoh rocket, maybe even 10 sec cd on chronos' ult too. 5 sec on nullstone, 10 on shrunken etc.

[GokuIsSexy]

its not working :S

[Oloko]

What exactly isn't working? Are you crashing in the loading or do you mean, the map loads but it does nothing?

[GokuIsSexy]

its working now it was nothing kkkk :DDD umade the map btw?

[Jordheim]

Oh man, finally -wtf came to HoN! Haven't tried it yet but it sounds godly. By the way, the most OP hero from level 1 was always bristleback. ;) Oh another thing, the reason zeus wasn't always utterly godly was because of the existance of a simple item called Blade Mail. A possible solution to having TB or sandwraith (not sure if it stacks) reaching level 6 first and killing the game, is to add some extra starting cash (a noticeable amount more), so people have a plausible chance of farming up one important counter-OP'ness item before the game gets broken. More: Not sure if nullstone blocks out vindi's ulti, but if it does, that right there is a good reason to not add a cooldown for it. It makes sense that there are items that block out certain abilities. If you add a cooldown to an item, you have to add a cooldown to certain abilities. Otherwise, let WTF mode be WTF mode. It was never meant to be balanced, hence the name. I'm more worried about a Flux who hits level 6 and spams his ulti at his fountain, or Amun-Ra who can only die if mana drained. Another possibility is to shorten the duration/effect of certain items like black king bar. I'm just throwing out ideas, not necessarilly agreeing with them, I'm just glad WTF mode exists here ;) Now someone has to add in OMG HoN.

[YO_GRANMAMA]

in dota...valk was able to FLY accrrooss the map and infinitly stun some1 with arrows with this mode...pharo= massive rockets ..corrupted spammed field...behemoth with massive stuns ..frost field massive spamm...and then as the saying goes "ZEUS ULT"...soo fun

[GreenAcres]

pick pharoh, send 019518512-95821 rockets at their base lvl 1 continuously, gg

[oOo]

Making a trailer if u allow me mr- maker of the map

[Kripke]

Infinite engi mines and behe fissures. Sounds good to me.

[The_cOw_pOw]

Anyhoe im new to new maps mods etc... I dont realy know how to install maps, start them and so on... Any help would be gr8 ^^ ;) thx. Keep upp the good work!

[Oloko]

Simply download the map .s2z file.
Go into your Heroes of Newerth folder, then open up the "game" folder and then the "maps" folder.
Put the .s2z file you downloaded into that folder.
Launch the game and host a PRACTICE server with the map.
It must be a practice server, otherwise it won't work.

[GokuIsSexy]

i am on vacation and i cant play this sexy mode ^_^ i just logged in to see whats goin on :D i just luv even practise BUT I WANT THIS ONLINE :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

[GokuIsSexy]

can we play online even not official servarz????????????????

[SomethingOdd]

How about normal spells have no cool down and ultis have a only a quarter?