HoN Community Movement - Our icon is purchasable in Heroes of Newerth!

[Adam]

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3624/titles.jpg

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So it's about time for a change. With HoN 2.0, S2 set their goals; They want us playing more and new users joining. Similar goals to most business that revolve around a large customer-base, so that shouldn't come as a shock. As a person who enjoys time spent playing Heroes of Newerth, I feel that it's my job to let them accomplish these goals with the most ease and efficiency possible. I'd like to see Heroes of Newerth outlast DotA and all it's various incarnations.

But I honestly believe that the only way this can be done is by fixing the problems with HoN. I've started to read reviews that promote HoN and (to no surprise) found one criticism that many reviews share in common: the community. Let's face it, we haven't been the greatest towards each other, and that stops today.


http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/697/quotation1.jpg (http://darkzero.co.uk/game-reviews/heroes-of-newerth-pc/)

Heroes of Newerth has brought me over a year of joy at the cost of $30. There haven't been any glaring ads for Axe Deodorant strewn across the website and user interface, nor have they forced me to pay for in-game content that is necessary for basic play. They still update the game frequently and communicate well with their users.


http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5668/screeny1.jpg


http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/351/evidencek.jpg

Still not convinced? I wish I could say I worked long and hard to find fitting examples of reviews to prove my point, but I typed "Heroes of Newerth Reviews" into Google and picked the first few I found.
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4130/quotation2.jpg (http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/pc/2010/05/21/heroes-of-newerth-review/1)
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4903/quotation3.jpg (http://gameolosophy.com/games/rpg/warcraft/heroes-of-newerth-hon-review/)
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/360/quotation4.jpg (http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/06/04/heroes-of-newerth-review/)

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/9805/missiona.jpg

So now, our mission. The goal is to slowly eliminate in-game griefing and make the HoN community a friendlier place for new and experienced players.
We believe that the "Report A Player" function should not need to be used, or at least not so often. Of course, we condone use of this feature, though not as a means of harassment.

With your help, we can keep HoN the #1 DotA-like game on the market.

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http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4896/pledgeh.jpg



In joining this movement, I pledge to:


follow the code of conduct, in specifics to griefing
help new players integrate into the game in a friendly manner
communicate rationally in games despite the score
report users who grief, without griefing or harassing in return
passively promote a cooperative gaming experience!




http://tinyurl.com/honbadgeA (http://tinyurl.com/honpledge)

http://tinyurl.com/honbadgeA (http://tinyurl.com/honpledge)http://tinyurl.com/honbadgeB (http://tinyurl.com/honpledge)

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MOAR FUN TAGS!

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[MrShakur]

Those reviewers sound like League of Legend players.

[Tommo]

I find it funny that you have the rainbow symbol. Spreading love?

Edit 27th of November...

So I was just reading this thread and then realized that I had already posted here long ago, had no idea.

If only more of the community could be like you, you're doing great things for this game and hopefully, myself and others can follow your lead and improve the community for all.

Thanks,

From not only me, but those who come to HoN in future.

[KBuuK]

This movement needs a guild. Lets call it HelloKittyFunFunPartyPals.

[Bret]

For me, the HoN experience has been great. The only griefers I've been getting are obviously low PSR, low tier players that I can add on my banlist. My MMR games have been relatively balanced, but with more griefers because I'm still playing with noobs on my team. Though those number of games are getting less when my rating goes up.

I feel there needs to be a global reputation point system. It would be hard to implement though

[CapnBananas]

i forgot where i read this on the forums but it said that the most popular flamers/ griefing comes from the euro nation, also every game has trash talk, maybe not as much as this but you can visit any forum of almost any game and see the same thing in those forums.

[Adam]

Those reviewers sound like League of Legend players.

I can't tell for certain. But you can't deny the fact that the community is rather vile at times. I'm sure we've all experienced it first-hand.

PC Gamer and bit-tech reviews are popular enough to merit some question.

[Wolfrar]

HoN turned me into a douche tbh. I never used to trash talk, until I started to recieve so much mindless abuse directed at myself, that I started to do it to others. Similier to the your daddy touches you, you touch your son kinda thing i guess.

[devilesk]

In joining this movement, I pledge to:


follow the code of conduct, in specifics to griefing
help new players integrate into the game in a friendly manner
communicate rationally in games despite the score
report users who grief, without griefing or harassing in return
passively promote a cooperative gaming experience!


Yea, I can't do that. :blac:

[PimpAlmighty]

Lol, to be honest you can block a persons chat or speech. Also you can just ignor it so why do we need to do this. I find it funny when someone rages, makes them look stupid, i alos have a go at raging when im in a bad mood just for the lols. Maybe new players need to be more informed about convo block for a gg.

[potoBest]

I don't have a problem with new players who are bad because they are new. I have a problem with the guy who has 2000 games played and his normal playstyle is borderline griefing just because of how bad he is. I'm talking about the guy who picks devo every game buys a bottle and demands mid where he feeds 0-10 before leaving the game or (even worse) staying in the game and feeding the other lanes.

People are going to flame in a game like hon where one bad player who doesn't knows he's bad will completely ruin your chances of winning or even having fun.

[Adam]

I don't have a problem with new players who are bad because they are new. I have a problem with the guy who has 2000 games played and his normal playstyle is borderline griefing just because of how bad he is. I'm talking about the guy who picks devo every game buys a bottle and demands mid where he feeds 0-10 before leaving the game or (even worse) staying in the game and feeding the other lanes.

People are going to flame in a game like hon where one bad player who doesn't knows he's bad will completely ruin your chances of winning or even having fun.

Fair enough, but these games are an inevitability of HoN, and griefing these players in return isn't going to make anyone of the team feel good.

Griefing doesn't fix anything.

[swindlemelonzz]

One more problem that could be solved by mass undertaking in the smoking of marajuana.

weed; not just good for you, great for you.

[JonJinBae]

I'm down

[PimpAlmighty]

HoN turned me into a douche tbh. I never used to trash talk, until I started to recieve so much mindless abuse directed at myself, that I started to do it to others. Similier to the your daddy touches you, you touch your son kinda thing i guess.

This disturbed me, need some counseling bro? You could have just said something completely non-sick such as the kid gets bullied throughout school then decides to shoot everybody.

~~Last part was a joke for those who are confused.~~:StaffOfTheMaster:

[Token]

do you feel that..? its the sound of thousands of troll feet pounding against the ground as they make their way here

be prepared :scou:

[Galneryus]

Damn, I HAVE to agree with you, supported!

[MrStitch]

A white list or a list of players that new players should seek or a place in forum where new players can ask for a "tutor" to teach how to play would be so cool :-).


But anyhow i'll gladly join your movement :).

[Adam]

Lol, to be honest you can block a persons chat or speech. Also you can just ignor it so why do we need to do this. I find it funny when someone rages, makes them look stupid, i alos have a go at raging when im in a bad mood just for the lols. Maybe new players need to be more informed about convo block for a gg.


This is all well and good, but not in the slightest way proactive. Why should we have to ignore 2-3 per match to have an enjoyable game?

[Adam]

do you feel that..? its the sound of thousands of troll feet pounding against the ground as they make their way here

be prepared :scou:

Never stopped me before. I welcome them with open :GlovesOfTheSwift::GlovesOfTheSwift:.

A good troll is enjoyable now and then.

[beiberfan420]

carebears

[ChikenMcTest]

When explaining hon to my girlfriend I stated up front. In HoN you argue about everything, EVERYTHING.

Before the game even starts you get to argue about the teams being uneven.
After the start you argue about which heroes to pick.
Once the map loads you argue about which lanes the heroes take.
After the lanes are decided you argue about who buys wards / courier.
You argue about who upgrades the courier.
You argue about the solo mid hero ganking / not ganking.
You argue about fail carry's.

It's what makes the game so fun!

[PimpAlmighty]

http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=205836
this would also make game more fun agree?

[Luckyreplica]

I'm sold!

Allthough I believe in what he says, I'm pretty sure this post won't do anything to the cause. And i got to say: When people have bad manners towards me, I pleasantly return the favor in terms of not remaking if needed or unpausing when not finished with dc or something like that.

[Hoffelcopter]

One more problem that could be solved by mass undertaking in the smoking of marajuana.

weed; not just good for you, great for you.

THIS. This will make everyone happy, we would all be too stoned to care if you're laughing too much to be able to press them buttons.

[MrStitch]

Before fixing this number 1 issue s2 games must fix the numer 0 issue that is their RAP and how they treat trolls.

HoN and this forum is like a troll lair and they just "delete" troll posts or troll topics... its really sad that you see people writing racism/flames and everything else on forum/s2 channel and everywhere on this place and they get no punishment.

S2 must fix their RAP and START DOING somenthing on this forum to STOP this once for all because it's terrible annoying.

Trolls dont fear anything and do it everywhere because they dont have to there's no ban for those stuff ;p

The moment people realise THEY WILL be banned/suspended for REAL griefing they will no more :

- Sit in fountain and going back and fort just to not get autokicked for afk ( s2 must kick the afk system for a total afk in base and not really reset the afk countdown after hiting a unit or leaving base).
- Continuous racism/hard flame for no reason.

And much more.

[TheJackofAss]

One of the reasons I enjoy playing HoN is the abusive environment, I love to troll.

[Shaddox]

Ok OP, I'm gonna try being a nicer person. I guess abusing others is ultimately abusing yourself.

[`Oct`agon]

Why not?
I help out the community a fair amount. Only with feeders shall I rage.

[Raptor_Jesus]

I hope to god you spent a lot of time making all those images, cuz it will all be self-trolling when you realize the only people who will join your 'movement' are those who don't know what the terms of service are NOR the rules of conduct.

[facedown]

One more problem that could be solved by mass undertaking in the smoking of marajuana.

weed; not just good for you, great for you.

I agree that a few bongs will fix a lot of ragging. Make pot smoking a requirement for membership and I'm in.


I am trying to decide if the OP is serious, or is this the best troll effort ever conceived by man? The rainbows make me wonder.

[Adam]

Before fixing this number 1 issue s2 games must fix the numer 0 issue that is their RAP and how they treat trolls.

HoN and this forum is like a troll lair and they just "delete" troll posts or troll topics... its really sad that you see people writing racism/flames and everything else on forum/s2 channel and everywhere on this place and they get no punishment.

S2 must fix their RAP and START DOING somenthing on this forum to STOP this once for all because it's terrible annoying.

Trolls dont fear anything and do it everywhere because they dont have to there's no ban for those stuff ;p

The moment people realise THEY WILL be banned/suspended for REAL griefing they will no more :

- Sit in fountain and going back and fort just to not get autokicked for afk ( s2 must kick the afk system for a total afk in base and not really reset the afk countdown after hiting a unit or leaving base).
- Continuous racism/hard flame for no reason.

And much more.

Trolling and griefing have different connotations. Most trolling is effectively harmless, hence why you see no reference of it in the first post.

[Ferg`]

sounds good to me. I've tried to be helpful to new players from the start and it'd be great to see others join!

[Zakharov]

Lol, to be honest you can block a persons chat or speech. Also you can just ignor it so why do we need to do this. I find it funny when someone rages, makes them look stupid, i alos have a go at raging when im in a bad mood just for the lols. Maybe new players need to be more informed about convo block for a gg.


I'm sold!

Allthough I believe in what he says, I'm pretty sure this post won't do anything to the cause. And i got to say: When people have bad manners towards me, I pleasantly return the favor in terms of not remaking if needed or unpausing when not finished with dc or something like that.


Why not?
I help out the community a fair amount. Only with feeders shall I rage.

So many people have this hypocritical attitude of "I don't like ragers, but when I rage, it's OK". Don't rage, ever. It will never help you win. It might feel good in the short term, but in the long term, it'll make you more stressed. Most importantly, when you rage, you cease to be able to improve yourself. Sure, maybe there's a feeder that causes you to lose. When you start blaming the feeder for everything that goes wrong, you can't tell when you make a mistake, which means you can't learn to avoid it.

I played a game just recently where I fed. I messed up in lane, going 1-7 as DS, laning with Magebane, early on to a Panda/Thunderbringer lane. My teammates didn't flame me for it. I bought wards and counterwards to give us map control, our Witch Slayer, Moraxus, and Valk were able to gank very successfully, and our Magebane was able to farm 470 gold per minute. I ended up 1-12. We won. If our team had devolved into flaming and bickering, we might not have.

[BloodyJester]

well i cannto even report the giefers i got, too many reports :(
And i dont do false reports

[MegaMan_X`]

People who are too soft to play this game need to go away. They are what ruin it.

I accept ragers as well as non-ragers.

Maybe the non-ragers need to be a little more open minded...

[Jacky]

*S2s failure to deal with trolls*.

S2 released Troll Face as an account icon, I don't think they're about to take up arms against trolling.

[BloodyJester]

Well im quitting HoN if the next game i get a griefer again just drop from 1615 mmr to 1547 in 2 days

[Gangstar]

http://tinyurl.com/honbadge1 (http://tinyurl.com/honpledge)

[Rinsaku]

:ramp:Lead the charge:ramp:

[erdzwerg]

free hugs

[Stillwater]

I'm in.

But, report a player should be improved. That way we could just report someone, and avoid the flaming part. In some games I tried to be as kind as I could to make someone leave the back of the fountain, but I ended up raging when we got to minute 45.

Anyway, as I said in my first line, I'm fully in.

[Adam]

:ramp:Lead the charge:ramp:

I'd be :glad: to.

[Vexium]

it's not easy to just ask people to be nice and expect them to be nice.

it has a lot to do with the sort of emotions that come out of the game itself... as well, of course, the competition inherent to the game.

take Halo for instance. I would consider that game the beginning of everyone stereotyping xbox live players as raging teenagers.

Gears of War brought about the young adult ragers, whom spread the joy and love of chainsaws and "fk you *****es" to everyone...

again, it has a lot to do with the sort of feelings that come out of the game and the matches you play in it...

if you really want to change this community, i think the best bet you have is S2 incorporating some sort of verbal harassment ban to their RAP feature... if voices could be recorded in-game... sadly i doubt that will happen, and that is one thing XBOX Live has managed to pull off nicely.

hence why, despite all the rage on Halo/GoW/CoD, XBOX Live still has a decent community - the ragers get suspended for talking mad trash on the mic quite often actually.

[Zeldar]

it's not easy to just ask people to be nice and expect them to be nice.

it has a lot to do with the sort of emotions that come out of the game itself... as well, of course, the competition inherent to the game.

take Halo for instance. I would consider that game the beginning of everyone stereotyping xbox live players as raging teenagers.

Gears of War brought about the young adult ragers, whom spread the joy and love of chainsaws and "fk you *****es" to everyone...

again, it has a lot to do with the sort of feelings that come out of the game and the matches you play in it...

if you really want to change this community, i think the best bet you have is S2 incorporating some sort of verbal harassment ban to their RAP feature... if voices could be recorded in-game... sadly i doubt that will happen, and that is one thing XBOX Live has managed to pull off nicely.

hence why, despite all the rage on Halo/GoW/CoD, XBOX Live still has a decent community - the ragers get suspended for talking mad trash on the mic quite often actually.

While of course it is impossible to change everyone, this does not mean there is no possibility to have a good positive influence on the community.

With that being said...Count me in.

[Lynx]

One more problem that could be solved by mass undertaking in the smoking of marajuana.

weed; not just good for you, great for you.

Haha! THIS!

I'm in

[Vexium]

honestly, i'd slap one of those sigs on right now if it was more specific yet still retained simplicity.

the general message "making a difference" is just so freaking generic. give me something more original than that and you've got my vote and probably many more like me.

[MrStitch]

honestly, i'd slap one of those sigs on right now if it was more specific yet still retained simplicity.

the general message "making a difference" is just so freaking generic. give me something more original than that and you've got my vote and probably many more like me.

Dont expect others to do it for you.. also its not about the message -_- its about what it represents.

[Darksider]

Oh... alright then.

[Telmotion]

I'm all down for making the community better.

edit: Where is my dang signature!

[Duey]

pledged, just working on how to get the badge into my sig

[Yukari]

Looks good!

[Aragoth]

I'm in.

But, report a player should be improved. That way we could just report someone, and avoid the flaming part. In some games I tried to be as kind as I could to make someone leave the back of the fountain, but I ended up raging when we got to minute 45.

Anyway, as I said in my first line, I'm fully in.

AxQ Reporting in!

[Vexium]

Dont expect others to do it for you.. also its not about the message -_- its about what it represents.

uhmm... he made the sigs for you guys - can't he just change the text and make another with yet another message? it's not like there can't be more than one, as long as the symbol to the left is retained...

and it is about the message... the message = what it represents lmfao xD good try tho

[Adam]

honestly, i'd slap one of those sigs on right now if it was more specific yet still retained simplicity.

the general message "making a difference" is just so freaking generic. give me something more original than that and you've got my vote and probably many more like me.

Throw a suggestion my way, I'm all ears. :D

[Vexium]

Throw a suggestion my way, I'm all ears. :D

honestly, i have absolutely NO idea right now xD i will try to think of one. if i had one, i would have posted it already ;)

[Adam]

honestly, i have absolutely NO idea right now xD i will try to think of one. if i had one, i would have posted it already ;)

Fair enough. Originally it was going to be "I'm making a movement." but that sounds like you've gotta take a poo.

Needless to say, that one was out. XD

[Fr3quency]

this topic alone is already better to read than the rest of these forums. Carry on, I like it.

[Toxyn]

well bumping for great justice.
It would help if you'd make the second sig less pink.

[Ashbringer]

dude i am some time's the biggest troll ever lol

[Feanux]

I don't think I could approve this topic any more.
:+1luck:

[Adam]

well bumping for great justice.
It would help if you'd make the second sig less pink.


Pink is pretty.

But I can make one any color desired. I'm bored - if someone gives me a HEX color, I'll make you one of that color.

[Powerpuffman]

I'm down!

[Saria]

Its a pretty good idea.

[TheRedRager]

Secret other reasons :chip:

[r1g0]

HoN turned me into a douche tbh. I never used to trash talk, until I started to recieve so much mindless abuse directed at myself, that I started to do it to others.

im guilty of that too:scou:

[FatChocobo]

Make a green version of the sig and I might consider it.

[Adam]

Make a green version of the sig and I might consider it.

http://tinyurl.com/honbadgeC

[FatChocobo]

I was thinking more along the lines of british racing green.

[Ryuukun]

Yeah, well, no I'll continue to rage.

[miestyLOL]

I will try my best.

A great idea, hopefully it will have atleast somewhat of an impact.

[Adam]

I was thinking more along the lines of british racing green.

Not sure what color that is. XD Throw me a hex code or example and I can help ya out more.

[Eradicate]

Make it so players need to have at least 50 public games under their belt before match making is unlocked.

Have separate US servers for Central and South America.

I don't mind people who are still refining skills. It's just impossible to be happy with somebody who's causing you to lose the game. The worst is when somebody doesn't speak english; you can't even give them respectful or honest advice.

The nature pairing up different languages and different skill levels is what causes the community to destroy itself. A thread like this is a kind (albeit comical) gesture. It's also futile.

[treefingers]

ok you are right. just earlier i had this game where i was raging hard at the pubs.

they picked a retarded lineup with the mandatory deadwood chronos and others playing heroes they have no idea how to play. all 4 of them had mics but i didnt find this out until 40 mins in when they used them to debate me calling them garbage bad mexican champions and never talked about any sort of stradegy or placed a single ward.

but i raged really hard told them to go play league of legends and called them mexican some more.

their response was pretty typical "whoah dude chill out its a game im having fun losing". i guess we should accept in order to survive this game needs casual and inexperienced fodder.

but you know.. maybe i shouldnt have. maybe i should be actively coaching them? but the prob with coaching in pubs is its like a job. 4 people i have to micro at all times from there position on the map to their role in teamfights when they should be farming when to push and what items to buy. thats alot of work for me.. so usually instead i just rage and call them mexican some more.

but today maybe that should change.. yes it should... today i become full time little league coach. i pledge to guide my newbie mates to safety on my broad shoulders and through whatever turmoil we may discover.

i pledge to no longer call the pub chronos a mexican.

today it changes.

[Ryuukun]

ok you are right. just earlier i had this game where i was raging hard at the pubs.

they picked a retarded lineup with the mandatory deadwood chronos and others playing heroes they have no idea how to play. all 4 of them had mics but i didnt find this out until 40 mins in when they used them to debate me calling them garbage bad mexican champions and never talked about any sort of stradegy or placed a single ward.

but i raged really hard told them to go play league of legends and called them mexican some more.

their response was pretty typical "whoah dude chill out its a game im having fun losing". i guess we should accept in order to survive this game needs casual and inexperienced fodder.

but you know.. maybe i shouldnt have. maybe i should be actively coaching them? but the prob with coaching in pubs is its like a job. 4 people i have to micro at all times from there position on the map to their role in teamfights when they should be farming when to push and what items to buy. thats alot of work for me.. so usually instead i just rage and call them mexican some more.

but today maybe that should change.. yes it should... today i become full time little league coach. i pledge to guide my newbie mates to safety on my broad shoulders and through whatever turmoil we may discover.

i pledge to no longer call the pub chronos a mexican.

today it changes.

I give you 3 matches until you rage like a young greek god again.

[Adam]

ok you are right. just earlier i had this game where i was raging hard at the pubs.

they picked a retarded lineup with the mandatory deadwood chronos and others playing heroes they have no idea how to play. all 4 of them had mics but i didnt find this out until 40 mins in when they used them to debate me calling them garbage bad mexican champions and never talked about any sort of stradegy or placed a single ward.

but i raged really hard told them to go play league of legends and called them mexican some more.

their response was pretty typical "whoah dude chill out its a game im having fun losing". i guess we should accept in order to survive this game needs casual and inexperienced fodder.

but you know.. maybe i shouldnt have. maybe i should be actively coaching them? but the prob with coaching in pubs is its like a job. 4 people i have to micro at all times from there position on the map to their role in teamfights when they should be farming when to push and what items to buy. thats alot of work for me.. so usually instead i just rage and call them mexican some more.

but today maybe that should change.. yes it should... today i become full time little league coach. i pledge to guide my newbie mates to safety on my broad shoulders and through whatever turmoil we may discover.

i pledge to no longer call the pub chronos a mexican.

today it changes.

Happy to have you on board. I don't think it's necessary to teach them, albeit probably a nice gesture. Especially with 4 inexperienced players, it's hard to help them all (at some point you might as well be playing yourself).

If I was in the same position I'd probably try to help one or two who show a willingness to listen. Or calmly explain why an item build isn't beneficial on a certain hero.

[SleepyGoat]

I am not pledging to anything.

Every bloody person should have enough of a common sense to not grief others. It should not need public promotion

[TheOriginal]

I know that I always rage on baddies etc. I will attempt to change all that. Thanks for the sig.

[BigDrake]

Supported

[Malrik]

Supported. Jim Rossignol is a pretty big hitter in the game review scene (his reviews get sold for ****loads to magazines all over the world), can't help with agree with him on a few points.

[PimpAlmighty]

So many people have this hypocritical attitude of "I don't like ragers, but when I rage, it's OK". Don't rage, ever. It will never help you win. It might feel good in the short term, but in the long term, it'll make you more stressed. Most importantly, when you rage, you cease to be able to improve yourself. Sure, maybe there's a feeder that causes you to lose. When you start blaming the feeder for everything that goes wrong, you can't tell when you make a mistake, which means you can't learn to avoid it.

I played a game just recently where I fed. I messed up in lane, going 1-7 as DS, laning with Magebane, early on to a Panda/Thunderbringer lane. My teammates didn't flame me for it. I bought wards and counterwards to give us map control, our Witch Slayer, Moraxus, and Valk were able to gank very successfully, and our Magebane was able to farm 470 gold per minute. I ended up 1-12. We won. If our team had devolved into flaming and bickering, we might not have.

In what way was my statement hypocritical, if you weren't reading for what you want it to mean you would realize that i admit to being a dickhead when i rage. Learn to understand someone else better and don't force your branding opinion on there ideologies.

[BloodyTofu]

Although your plan seems like a "no guarantee this will work", you're trying so I might as well give it a shot too. Can't hurt after all and why not right?

[TheJohns]

Wow, you even made pictures.

Even if you goals seem of good intent, it's still very shallow.

You can change some people some of the time in some parts, but never all the people.

[BlacRyu]

Awesome graphics, I love the coloring.


Wow, you even made pictures.

Even if you goals seem of good intent, it's still very shallow.

You can change some people some of the time in some parts, but never all the people.
Some is better than none.

[mheyman]

VV Orange ftw?

[Gwydion]

Freaking joined.

[Adam]

Awesome graphics, I love the coloring.


Some is better than none.

Much thanks, love your mods. :]

And exactly the point. For some, they may find their games more enjoyable. Some will try and be unable to do it. At this point the choices are "sit back and take it" or "do something to make the game more pleasant".

If I didn't think it was a big deal or an issue more personal to me, this board wouldn't have been created. But major reviewers are denying this game a good review partially because of the community. I want this game to grow so that it doesn't go under, and so that I can keep playing it with updated content.

[Adam]

VV Orange ftw?

Nicely done! :]

[CSDragon]

t-up

[Kasma]

LOL, I was reading the OP hoping for some sort of new banlist or votekick option but instead he just asks us to follow a CODE OF CONDUCT. LOL.

10/10

[ArschMage]

Griefing mostly comes from angry eurotrash kids if you ask me. I swear half the games you play on EU servers will include some guy going "CONCEDE 15 MINUTES" followed by IM AFK.

[Adam]

LOL, I was reading the OP hoping for some sort of new banlist or votekick option but instead he just asks us to follow a CODE OF CONDUCT. LOL.

10/10

Who knew it'd be that easy.

:bubb:

[_Akeldama_]

id hop on this little bandwagon....if i gave a **** about new players

if you're terrible and screw everyones game up, go join LN where newbs are accepted and l2p

no reason we should all have to change so the new players dont cry:blac::blac::blac:

[CKMo]

IM IN

[Vexium]

so adam, i've been thinking.

here's what i came up with:

fight the rage

team up quiet down

rage (alternatively, anger) filter activated

talk don't scream

the louder you get the harder they feed

i don't want to mute you

we're on the same team (,buddy)

~~~

hope you enjoy some of those

[Calcifer]

I agree with what you say in principle, but the reality is that the inclusion of permanent stats makes HoN the way it is. The reason you don't see this in Call of Duty or Starcraft is because in those games you are not dependent on every single member of your team to win, and it doesn't make a difference to you if you win or lose.

In HoN, one guy (russian) on your team can make you lose, make your stats look bad and make you angry because you work BLOODY HARD for those stats - people buy the game AGAIN to reset them or get a sub account to make their stats look better!

Really, the community will not and cannot improve if the foundation of the game is statistics of past games played. This is why LoL players don't have the same problem - cos nobody cares how good they are cos they suck and the game sucks. And CoD also sucks imo, but people still rage in that cos its a frustrating experience to die because the enemy spawned directly behind you. I digress...

This is why I prey they don't have stats for kills and deaths and wards placed and xp per minute and all the other stupid bullshit this game has (by the way im 1850 psr so this rant isn't cos Im a noob and can't get stats, its because I don't like what it does to the game) in Dota 2, cos if there are no stats in Dota 2 I will switch over without a second thought.

[Adam]

so adam, i've been thinking.

here's what i came up with:

fight the rage

team up quiet down

rage (alternatively, anger) filter activated

talk don't scream

the louder you get the harder they feed

i don't want to mute you

we're on the same team (,buddy)

~~~

hope you enjoy some of those

I like fight the rage, the louder you get the harder they feed and we're on the same team quite a bit! I'll make some with those. :]

Gimme three colors?

[BlueScholar]

Eh. HoN will have less pinoys than Dota 2. So community-wise, we win.

[Wolfrar]

For now on, Im signed. Dear god its going to be a hard road to be nice, but if I can make an attempt anyone can.

[Vexium]

I like fight the rage, the louder you get the harder they feed and we're on the same team quite a bit! I'll make some with those. :]

Gimme three colors?

i like blue green and red personally. it's up to you obviously :) thanks for trying to do something good, man

[Rabboni]

lets do it

[Black_Dragon]

TL;DR: Try to be nice.. can't? Roll up a joint

[Adam]

I agree with what you say in principle, but the reality is that the inclusion of permanent stats makes HoN the way it is. The reason you don't see this in Call of Duty or Starcraft is because in those games you are not dependent on every single member of your team to win, and it doesn't make a difference to you if you win or lose.

In HoN, one guy (russian) on your team can make you lose, make your stats look bad and make you angry because you work BLOODY HARD for those stats - people buy the game AGAIN to reset them or get a sub account to make their stats look better!

Really, the community will not and cannot improve if the foundation of the game is statistics of past games played. This is why LoL players don't have the same problem - cos nobody cares how good they are cos they suck and the game sucks. And CoD also sucks imo, but people still rage in that cos its a frustrating experience to die because the enemy spawned directly behind you. I digress...

This is why I prey they don't have stats for kills and deaths and wards placed and xp per minute and all the other stupid bullshit this game has (by the way im 1850 psr so this rant isn't cos Im a noob and can't get stats, its because I don't like what it does to the game) in Dota 2, cos if there are no stats in Dota 2 I will switch over without a second thought.

Valid points that I agree with for sure. It's unfortunate that the statistic aspect of gaming does this to people. That being said, I can think of instances where even the loss was an enjoyable game because people cooperated to the best of their ability and it was a close match. S2's matchmaking system is aimed at making the matches closely ranked (or moreso, at least) so I figure if everyone goes in with the same positive attitude we can't come out feeling bad from the outcome.

It's worth a shot, at least.

[Skgank]

im in!

[RUSty_]

This is dumb, I love my HoN community and I don't want it to change because some scrubs who've never played DotA/LoL think HoN has the worst gaming community.

[Testingrani]

The Neutral Creeps community supports this movement.

Heroes of Newerth (Great Game) + Great Community = GG

HoN can become the model game of the Dota genre with the help of the community. Do your part. Spread the HoN love. :pand:

[Kriminalx]

bumping for the good cause...

im a rager specially with brazilians but i will try my best

[NoLung]

lets make a guild called fighting the world and listen to lots of manowar and stuff and be nice abut destory our enemies

[_Larry]

OP is a faggot.

[Rabboni]

I think it would be better for the Clan name to be Making a Difference

then the tag could be

[MaD]

[Aterian]

Good post OP. I already try not to get angry with people in game, but I'll try a little harder.

P.S. It'd be nice to get the thumbs up symbol as an icon to show your support in-game ;) (/just got the icon slot unlock)

[The_Germy]

http://tinyurl.com/honbadgeA (http://tinyurl.com/honpledge)

[Blaky039]

I would love to wear that sig, but I'm just a trashtalker. I trashtalked since my first gaming days, not HoN. So I fitted perfectly in HoN.

Over the last days though I've tried not to trashtalk back. Specially my teammates, yesterday there was this Legionare that was mad at me cuz I didn't defend bot tower against 5 guys. He went alone and died. So he said: "I'm getting a codex and ima steal kills" I said: "K go ahead".

We were getting pawned and then Voodoo said: "We need wards" ofc Legi calls: "Wildsoul should buy the wards" Which I replied: "Ok, I can do that".

I bought wards the rest of the game while rocking a mock on bear and frostburn on wildsoul. Carried the game and Legi said not a thing the rest of the game.

I found that game pretty rewarding so I'll try not to trashtalk. At least not fight with my own teammates.

A cheap tactic that seems to be working for me is to type at the beggining:
"Lets be friendly, no blaming and no calling each other noobs and the like" sometimes you get a "why dont u stfu instead" but 75% it works.


Finally I think S2 should add that logo to the store.

[Rabboni]

I would love to wear that sig, but I'm just a trashtalker. I trashtalked since my first gaming days, not HoN. So I fitted perfectly in HoN.

Over the last days though I've tried not to trashtalk back. Specially my teammates, yesterday there was this Legionare that was mad at me cuz I didn't defend bot tower against 5 guys. He went alone and died. So he said: "I'm getting a codex and ima steal kills" I said: "K go ahead".

We were getting pawned and then Voodoo said: "We need wards" ofc Legi calls: "Wildsoul should buy the wards" Which I replied: "Ok, I can do that".

I bought wards the rest of the game while rocking a mock on bear and frostburn on wildsoul. Carried the game and Legi said not a thing the rest of the game.

I found that game pretty rewarding so I'll try not to trashtalk. At least not fight with my own teammates.

A cheap tactic that seems to be working for me is to type at the beggining:
"Lets be friendly, no blaming and no calling each other noobs and the like" sometimes you get a "why dont u stfu instead" but 75% it works.


Finally I think S2 should add that logo to the store.

I have been doing the same thing, except with the people on the other team. Just chatting with them. A lot of fun when you are mid and you chat with the other guy. I was a keeper vs a ss and it was a fun game.

[Yurixy]

I'm in :)

[Rabboni]

and yes let me have the thumbs up logo in the store so i can have it as my icon

[Zellgadis]

Can't stand the heat? Get out of the kitchen.

I want my competitive games as harsh as possible. This is not a magical word of cuteness and love, whenever you die your helping the enemy team, whenever you fail, you're punishing your own team and wasting 45 minutes of their lives. This is not about learning and being nice, you can learn from your mistakes and from the flaming. As i said, if you don't like it or can't stand it get outta the kitchen.

I learned the hard way playing DotA since 2003, why wouldn't you? Also the flame and rage generated are hilarious, why would you want to finish that?

The only thing i can agree about stopping is the griefing. Even if the team is flaming you, it's probably for a reason and you shouldn't ruin the game, that's the easy way for puss*s also you can earn a ban that way.

Just my 2 cents. I can understand your point of view, but i don't share it.

[iJusti]

The issue is S2 needs to put this thread as a sticky and into the opening message when you log into the game, because I am sure only like 1/10th of the community looks at the forums. Great thread signed.

[Vexium]

Can't stand the heat? Get out of the kitchen.

I want my competitive games as harsh as possible. This is not a magical word of cuteness and love, whenever you die your helping the enemy team, whenever you fail, you're punishing your own team. This is not about learning and being nice, you can learn from your mistakes and from the flaming. As i said, if you don't like it or can't stand it get outta the kitchen.

I learned the hard way playing DotA since 2003, why wouldn't you?

Also the flame and rage generated is hilarious, why would you like to end that?

The only thing i can agree about stopping is the griefing. Even if the team is flaming you, it's probably for a reason and you shouldn't ruin the game, that's the easy way for puss*s also you can earn a ban that way.

Just my 2 cents. I can understand your point of view, but i don't share it.

i think the same applies to me in terms of DotA history with rage. i like rage a lot, tbh.

but more often then not, it does not contribute to teamwork. you have to realize that flaming a person just doesn't help them play better.

i've been in pro matches, where i've been raged at by real hard ass pros 1800+ before, and it's fine to an extent. i can handle the noise, because i work good under pressure.

but, at a certain point, it just gets annoying and counterproductive.

since realizing this, i've adopted a much more cooperative approach towards telling people on my team how they did something wrong and how to prevent it from happening again.

and you know what? the same goes for the real world. flaming and raging at people who are on your team in the business world or in any family setting just doesn't work out.

when it's playful it is fine; between friends? ok. but when you are playing with a complete stranger, you need to show common decency to them as a fellow stranger playing the game with you online.

since adopting a re-conciliatory attitude to team communication and bad errors on the part of my team (Bad karma, btw, is a fine example of someone who shits on the other team with his psyche-outs but always helps the noobs on his team with nice talk), i have been winning more games than beforehand.

shitting on your teammates is not the answer, people. this thread, this sig, and these ideas should be a testament to that fact and a reminder for you to always approach your games with a positive attitude towards team cooperation.

you WILL get better game-play out of your teammates this way - it's been proven in the real world, and you can prove it for yourself here in-game.

[Boolbasor]

Bro do a rainbow colour one and I might consider it

[Adam]

OP is a faggot.

:tund:

----

@thread - I'm glad to see the reception so far has been mostly positive, and I'm glad to see some different opinions come out of this too. It's not for everyone, but for those who are willing to give it a try, I figure it can't hurt.

[Mazinkaiser]

+1 :)b

[Adam]

Bro do a rainbow colour one and I might consider it


Can't turn down a challenge. I tried a different saying out too, but it just looks like a pride ad. Lol.

http://tinyurl.com/honbadgeD

http://tinyurl.com/honbadgeD

or

http://tinyurl.com/honbadgeE (lol)

[Dr_Muto]

My signatuire

[Scope]

This is a nice thought, but I doubt you can make a real change regarding the HoN scene as a whole.

This is because numerous of reasons, but mainly because maybe only 5% of HoN players read the forums, of which let's assume 20% vouch for this idea (I'm being generous here) and of which again only 20% actively tries to MAKE it happen.
You think you can make a difference with this amount of players? Good Luck!

Despite grass being green and flowers blossoming in all colours during summer-time, the world will still remain a black place due to all mixed colours..

[Colinthetank]

Hell no, I am raging at people every game.

[IsmaelVera]

/signed

new players do listen. It's just that retards have no patience to help and blame their fail because of that.

[dfacto]

HoN just needs to autoban anyone who writes the word "noob" or any variant. I've almost never seen it used other than to flame or be a giant dick.

[Nidhogg]

I'm down.

Oh and vote for the snotter lord. IMO.

[Sargentos]

I'm on as well. Thanks Adam for doing this. Its a shame so many people won't be affected by this, but at least there are those who are and are actively trying.

Also whoever said it: "Great Game + Great Community = GG"
Could be another logo/message

[Adam]

I'm on as well. Thanks Adam for doing this. Its a shame so many people won't be affected by this, but at least there are those who are and are actively trying.

Also whoever said it: "Great Game + Great Community = GG"
Could be another logo/message

Yeah, I quite like that one. :D

[Izual]

I have joined the cause of righteousness!

[XrBob]

Scope, you say about 5% of players read the forums, is there information to back that up/is that really true? I don't post a ton, but I think there's a lot of good information to get here, guides, strategy and such. I'm surprised that people wouldn't take advantage of it.

[California]

I like to rage. Sorry

[DerKhemist]

First of all, I am goign to try to participate, but what is really irritating is how thinned skinned people are. If I say "ur bad" they take it personally instead of trying to improve, then when i give directions to the team, none listen. What I hate most is not bad players, but people who cant listen, when I am telling them how to win, such as pushing into the main when its 3v5, and they contince farming, this ticks me off because they are missing a huge oppertunity; this is when i get my rage stick out. All i want is a team that can listen, and take criticism.

[FalsepridE]

The only reason the reviewers say we have a bad community is because they sucked balls fed and then got ***** at for it.

[Scope]

Scope, you say about 5% of players read the forums, is there information to back that up/is that really true? I don't post a ton, but I think there's a lot of good information to get here, guides, strategy and such. I'm surprised that people wouldn't take advantage of it.

Source? Other than talking to several people I know and doing some thinking process, no, I don't actually have a source.

But if we would assume (being really generous) that 20% the HoN's total player base do read these forums, not more than 50% read the forums enough to get notified of this movement..etc.

Oh and I would like to support this, I just don't see this happening in real life.

[SoulDragon]

testing ^^

I never raged before this game. I've never seen so much rage and **** talking before this game. Even I've done it, and it's not me, and I always feel retarded afterwards. Hopefully this will be a good step :)

[coolyot]

supporting this because I think its a great idea, and also because I think the sig looks boss.

[Wonderwhy]

"shut up and play" < it work both way oh it rhyme :0

[Wolfrar]

Ive played 4 games without smack talking. Some guy smacked talked me, and it was hard to resist, but I managed to. He really didnt know what to do when I didnt return the abuse :)

[Adam]

Ive played 4 games without smack talking. Some guy smacked talked me, and it was hard to resist, but I managed to. He really didnt know what to do when I didnt return the abuse :)

:D

I'm happy for you! Keep up the good work!

[Colinthetank]

I GOT IT!

I will:
-Trolololololol all game long.
-Tell all Europeans that they are bad and their actually skill level is 100 psr below what they actually are if I am American.
-If I am European, then I will claim that MSI is the best team in HoN and that all Americans are fat and should be 100 psr below what they actually are.
-Get the in game Brazillian flag and say JAJAJAJAAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJ to my team before the picks start as a way to trick them of my nationality.
-I will occasionally talk-like-this-as-a-way-to-annoy-everyone-in-game.
-I will unpause a pause as soon as it passes even if my own team passed it.
-I will threaten to report everyone on my team if they do not pass a concede vote that I will bring up at 15:00 even if we are clearly winning.
-Verbally harass people over my microphone, not in chat, so they can't report me but still hate me.
-Make a sincere effort to get muted, ignored, banlisted every single game by both teams.
-Trick new players into joining noob only games and then just stomp them into the ground.
-Use the in game taunting feature every chance I get with my flamboyant pack and say ***** slap after each kill.
-Yell at everyone on my team that gets a kill and say they are KS'ing me even if I was across the map when they solo killed someone.
-Yell at every person that places a ward down even if they correctly place it.
-Get the courier killed at least once a game "accidentally".
-Tell my team over the microphone that I will TP in to help save them but then I will cancel my TP as I do it.



If you agree with me, use this signature below! Together WE CAN START A MOVEMENT!



http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4459/trollfacep.png (http://img232.imageshack.us/i/trollfacep.png/)

[Adam]

I GOT IT!

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4459/trollfacep.png (http://img232.imageshack.us/i/trollfacep.png/)

i lol'd :]

[ObiTuarY]

Ever since Minecraft, the term griefing has been used everywhere lol

[He]

I wish this movement all the luck and success! :D

[kylol]

One more problem that could be solved by mass undertaking in the smoking of marajuana.

weed; not just good for you, great for you.

Swindle..

[Pwnmanship]

Nice! I'm in, should have this symbol as ingame icon.

[Otolia]

I've got to much on my mind in my personnal life to be trolling others in a video game. I don't troll, nor do I grief and I try to help people as much as I can.

Thus I welcome your initiative very happily. Count me in.

PS : It's funny to see that most of the people who signed have the icon 'True Support' ...

[RIPSMALLSON]

thank you for inspiring me, i will now go for a match
ggwp
and build codex on blacksmith ohohohohoohumad

[Destro]

I would seriously love to adopt this awesome wonderful style that you are suggesting OP. However, I must sadly decline.

Why?

Because my rage is not something I control. I rage subconsciously. I'm not aware when I'm raging.

How do I know this?

Apparently my few RL friends that play HoN say I'm a rager and get angry at me for being such a rager in game.

*shrugs*

[WehrWolffen]

I support 100%

[S_SienZ]

I suggest opening a guild for newbies and have people teach them the ropes properly in no stat inhouses. PM me if you have the intention to take this to the next level. I might be interested in helping out.

[Otolia]

I suggest opening a guild for newbies and have people teach them the ropes properly in no stat inhouses. PM me if you have the intention to take this to the next level. I might be interested in helping out.

This already exist and it's called Ludus Novicius

[Voxar]

For enjoyable games without using /ignore

[CraftyPanda]

I absolutely support this movement 100%. I cannot believe how much I rage in game, I suck b&lls at it no two ways about it, but I used to enjoy playing it. Lately I have kind of not enjoyed it as much because of how much vile I spill out when i'm playing if things are not going my teams way.

Fantastic idea, and you might just have saved this game for me.
Top show.

[dejv]

lol QQ moar :(

[Mazinkaiser]

Nice! I'm in, should have this symbol as ingame icon.

THIS... suggest this to S2 :eek:

[Cyber_Kun]

The making a difference tag is so bloody big I had to adblock it. YEAH NOT SEEING A DIFFERENCE!

[Psychel]

[QUOTE=Adam;12883739]

Obama wannabe.

[S_SienZ]

This already exist and it's called Ludus Novicius

I know, but if OP opens a guild dedicated to his movement he'll have the freedom to do things his way, unless LN would be interested in participating. It's not like there's only room for 1 beginner's guild in HoN.

[Vexium]

Ever since Minecraft, the term griefing has been used everywhere lol

isn't it originally from WoW? camping a person's body to kill them upon respawn i believe was called griefing the player.

EDIT: and ya there should be more than one guild for beginners.

regardless, this isn't about beginners. in fact, if anything, rage is at its worse at the high tier psr/mmr brackets in this game, where you join up with a bunch of people that all have their own master plan and intend to rage at you until you're following theirs (i admit; i'm guilty of this on many an occasion)

[elusive_mm]

i endorse this message

[Kasma]

stupid message that all of the people that endorse it don't even follow.

[Vexium]

stupid message that all of the people that endorse it don't even follow.

point of the message being to remind you and others that you want to be less of a rager and more of a nice team player.

[Kasma]

point of the message being to remind you and others that you want to be less of a rager and more of a nice team player.
You're not a nice team player if you're endorsing trolling.

[Kasma]

I GOT IT!

I will:
-Trolololololol all game long.
-Tell all Europeans that they are bad and their actually skill level is 100 psr below what they actually are if I am American.
-If I am European, then I will claim that MSI is the best team in HoN and that all Americans are fat and should be 100 psr below what they actually are.
-Get the in game Brazillian flag and say JAJAJAJAAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJ to my team before the picks start as a way to trick them of my nationality.
-I will occasionally talk-like-this-as-a-way-to-annoy-everyone-in-game.
-I will unpause a pause as soon as it passes even if my own team passed it.
-I will threaten to report everyone on my team if they do not pass a concede vote that I will bring up at 15:00 even if we are clearly winning.
-Verbally harass people over my microphone, not in chat, so they can't report me but still hate me.
-Make a sincere effort to get muted, ignored, banlisted every single game by both teams.
-Trick new players into joining noob only games and then just stomp them into the ground.
-Use the in game taunting feature every chance I get with my flamboyant pack and say ***** slap after each kill.
-Yell at everyone on my team that gets a kill and say they are KS'ing me even if I was across the map when they solo killed someone.
-Yell at every person that places a ward down even if they correctly place it.
-Get the courier killed at least once a game "accidentally".
-Tell my team over the microphone that I will TP in to help save them but then I will cancel my TP as I do it.



If you agree with me, use this signature below! Together WE CAN START A MOVEMENT!



http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4459/trollfacep.png (http://img232.imageshack.us/i/trollfacep.png/)

This sounds like a more realistic movement that is backed by more evidence, not unlike the phony people htat add the stupid image in their sig and go for about 4-5 games until they start raging and greifing again.

[Mazinkaiser]

Hey Adam, I suggest you change the first post "dota-clone" to "dota-like", since dota-like is the game genre and HoN is beyond just being a clone at this point :D

[Leyart]

Subscribed

[Vexium]

You're not a nice team player if you're endorsing trolling.

maybe you are? sigh, you're too worked up over your concede vote not going through because you have a teammate that doesn't want it to.

maybe if you talked to the person instead of saying "WTF WHY AREN'T YOU CONCEDING BRO" constantly, they might respond and give you a reason as to why.

most people don't concede because they want to keep playing. just because the rest of the team doesn't shouldn't mean they have to stop their game they've been trying so hard at. there's a reason it's an unanimous vote - like i said in ur thread.

[Euryale]

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1017/badgeai.png

[Leyart]

Ofc I subscribed to Colin's movement

[FeaR_]

great movement! Hon would be so much better without grief!

Support 1600%

[Kasma]

maybe you are? sigh, you're too worked up over your concede vote not going through because you have a teammate that doesn't want it to.

maybe if you talked to the person instead of saying "WTF WHY AREN'T YOU CONCEDING BRO" constantly, they might respond and give you a reason as to why.

most people don't concede because they want to keep playing. just because the rest of the team doesn't shouldn't mean they have to stop their game they've been trying so hard at. there's a reason it's an unanimous vote - like i said in ur thread.
WRONG. Most people don't concede because they want to troll. Someone that is mad cuz they didn't get mid and is 0-15 10 minutes into the game is not someone that is going to respond nicely if you just 'talk to him.' Wake up, not every concede fight is just because we're down 3 team fights 15 minutes into the game. This is about something completley different.

[Vexium]

This is about something completley different.

this thread is totally unrelated to your other thread... take your anger over concede vote system elsewhere... back to your thread please...

as i said in that thread, it's also griefing to deny that last person the right to play and not concede, to let the person keep playing his match, however badly he/she may be playing.

like it or not, it would be S2 allowing 4 other players to essentially harass the last player who does not want to concede. i don't think they want that for legal reasons.

it is a problem, but it's one of many... try talking to the person who doesn't want to concede... i've actually convinced a good... 1/4 of the people who don't want to concede on our team to concede. i talk to them about what the situation is we are in, and how screwed we are. then, i give them the chance to tell me and the rest of the team why they think otherwise. sometimes, we reason it out and end up staying in. other times, they agree to concede. of course, the rest of the time it's a stubborn dead-end. regardless, it's worth a shot, but i don't think it's fair to say it should be majority vote for concede.

[Killroy]

Well I am in. @Kasma: This is exactly the problem we are talking about. People do not even try anymore because you already expect people not to listen anymore. Everybody has to man up.

I keep telling everybody inteam fighting and b.tching is a sure way to loose. Still they do it. If I make a mistake, I say I am sorry. But still people react as if I killed them in real life. Damn man, everybody makes mistakes, get over it. Stop reacting emo and start playing.

[Kasma]

this thread is totally unrelated to your other thread... take your anger over concede vote system elsewhere... back to your thread please...

as i said in that thread, it's also griefing to deny that last person the right to play and not concede, to let the person keep playing his match, however badly he/she may be playing.

like it or not, it would be S2 allowing 4 other players to essentially harass the last player who does not want to concede. i don't think they want that for legal reasons.

So funny how you blatantly contradict yourself. In one breath you say "THIS THREAD IS TOTALLY UNRELATED TO YOUR OTHER THREAD" then you go right on to talk about the stuff in the other thread. ROFL. HERP DERP. It's greifing both ways.


it is a problem, but it's one of many... try talking to the person who doesn't want to concede... i've actually convinced a good... 1/4 of the people who don't want to concede on our team to concede. i talk to them about what the situation is we are in, and how screwed we are. then, i give them the chance to tell me and the rest of the team why they think otherwise. sometimes, we reason it out and end up staying in. other times, they agree to concede. of course, the rest of the time it's a stubborn dead-end. regardless, it's worth a shot, but i don't think it's fair to say it should be majority vote for concede.
Can you tell the difference between a baltant troll that is PURPOSELY RUINING THE GAME and someone that wants to seriously play because they honestly think they can win? You are not going to convince a troll that is BENT on destroying the game to concede. It isn't going to happen. You cannot reason with a troll, that is like step #1 in dealing when them. What planet do you live on?

[Rorix]

i just love trolling and making people rage so i cant support this

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9YEQriBb7gk/TOlw8k0B1PI/AAAAAAAAC_U/695rQzXFqVE/s400/Forever%2BAlone2.png

[Nemy]

/Signed

[Vexium]

believe it or not, kasma, the planet I live on is Earth. I don't know which one you're talking to us from, right now, but I imagine it is one similar to mine.

However, you might have it mixed up that it's Trolls-ville, and that this game has over 50% players that are trolls.

however, that is also not the case. reasoning with the person who is not conceding is the answer. seriously, i have only seen about 1/10 players (that are causing serious problems with the match, or, in other words, seem to be griefing) troll games with no concern for their own progress in the game.

more than likely, it is your attitude that leads to them trolling you, or at least that's what i seem to imagine from these posts you keep making...

whatever has got it into your mind that people are "trolling" you when they do something you don't like or that might sound mildly offensive to you, i think you need to reconsider...

most people play this game to win, and if you act appropriately, they will listen almost 70% of the time... so ya, come back down to earth please

[SkryZr]

im in!

[GregerMoek]

This is mostly what I've been doing since I started playing HoN, so why not?
:glad:

[Ryndal]

Can't S2 make this icon and icon in-game? I love the idea and support it!

[Kasma]

believe it or not, kasma, the planet I live on is Earth. I don't know which one you're talking to us from, right now, but I imagine it is one similar to mine.

However, you might have it mixed up that it's Trolls-ville, and that this game has over 50% players that are trolls.

however, that is also not the case. reasoning with the person who is not conceding is the answer. seriously, i have only seen about 1/10 players (that are causing serious problems with the match, or, in other words, seem to be griefing) troll games with no concern for their own progress in the game.

more than likely, it is your attitude that leads to them trolling you, or at least that's what i seem to imagine from these posts you keep making...

whatever has got it into your mind that people are "trolling" you when they do something you don't like or that might sound mildly offensive to you, i think you need to reconsider...

most people play this game to win, and if you act appropriately, they will listen almost 70% of the time... so ya, come back down to earth please
No, it isn't my attitude that makes people troll because I rarely even SPEAK in game(unless its mias or strategy) until someone is trolling. You are either WILLFULLY ignorant or deceptive in not acknowledging that trolls and greifers exist in this game that simply want to make life miserable for others and you cannot reason with them or talk to them.

[Vexium]

No, it isn't my attitude that makes people troll because I rarely even SPEAK in game(unless its mias or strategy) until someone is trolling. You are either WILLFULLY ignorant or deceptive in not acknowledging that trolls and greifers exist in this game that simply want to make life miserable for others and you cannot reason with them or talk to them.

i'm done talking to you. you're the one making fun of this movement, you're even flooding it with spam now and i tried to reason with you throughout all this. you are the troll. you probably do exactly the things you are claiming are so awful.

no, most people do not grief purposely in this game. for those that do, there is the RAP feature to check if they ARE actually griefing. done.

[Zellgadis]

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1017/badgeai.png

Count with me :D

[UnSaFe]

Does everybody forget the flaming in dota? lol

[Good_Apollo]

Idk about this thread.

Also:

http://tinyurl.com/honbadgec
http://tinyurl.com/honbadged
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1017/badgeai.png

[Dougletron]

I have never seen a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

[Kasma]

i'm done talking to you. you're the one making fun of this movement, you're even flooding it with spam now and i tried to reason with you throughout all this. you are the troll. you probably do exactly the things you are claiming are so awful.

no, most people do not grief purposely in this game. for those that do, there is the RAP feature to check if they ARE actually griefing. done.
Yes, you're done talking to me, like you were done talking to me the last 3 times you said it. I don't approve of this movement because of people that claim to support it, than blatantly contradict it, like you, you just called me a name, you called me a TROLL and you ACCUSED ME of doing the things I claim to be awful. Remember, you're not supposed to be NAME CALLING, and yet here you are, caught red handed, breaking the rules of your HERP DERP code of conduct.
I never said most people grief, but there seems to be enough of them that are ruining the games for a lot of people, but those peoples voices are just drowed out by the likes of you, that simply don't want to acknowledge the terrible community this game is KNOWN FOR.

[Gwydion]

I'm so butthurt that people troll me that I have devoted my time and energy into becoming a bigger troll than them, HAH! Forever Alone.

Fixed that for you.

[bckz`]

+1

4char

[Su0T]

Im glad someone wants to start a movement like this. I support it.

[Vexium]

>.< you give me a headache, kasma. you're right. clearly i'm the bad guy here. i'm trying to crush your opinion and silence it permanently with my conversation with you!

oh wait: i called you a troll because you have the troll face sig on the movement's sig.

oh wait: i didn't accuse you - i said probably do the things you dislike in-game. it's you who knows best.

and as for the community of this game? it's not as bad as people make it out to be, at least in my opinion. i am still entitled to that, right? i remember many a match of Halo 3 on XBLive and GoW2 with more ragers/griefers than in HoN, although HoN is definitely 3rd on my list.

i agree with you man, why can't you see that?

all you are doing with your way of thinking on this matter is reinforcing in your mind and others that this community is indeed full of trolls. it's up to you to change that. you must perceive it otherwise, and you must show people common decency.

you're getting so worked up over what? over griefers and trolls that won't concede games because you want to leave the game? yes, that's a problem, but your attitude isn't helping it. again, just talk to the people normally. treat them with respect and you might have yourself another listening teammate...

idk your attitude reminds me of the people that say, "well if THEY won't concede with their extra item and extra kills, then I won't either when i'm in that situation!"

[Zellgadis]

Everyone should be like Kingraven
You know what i'm talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7DUAr74p_s

[MaXi]

good idea :)

[Kasma]

Fixed that for you.
But wait, I thought you pledged to make the community better by not griefing and trolling!

[Kasma]

>.< you give me a headache, kasma. you're right. clearly i'm the bad guy here. i'm trying to crush your opinion and silence it permanently with my conversation with you!

I thought you were done talking to me?


oh wait: i called you a troll because you have the troll face sig on the movement's sig.

SO because I have the troll face in my sig that gives you the liscense to NAME CALL ME? so everyone that has the troll face in their avatar for hon, that gives us free reign to name call them as well?


oh wait: i didn't accuse you - i said probably do the things you dislike in-game. it's you who knows best.

An accusation doesn't go away if you use the word PROBABLY.


and as for the community of this game? it's not as bad as people make it out to be, at least in my opinion. i am still entitled to that, right? i remember many a match of Halo 3 on XBLive and GoW2 with more ragers/griefers than in HoN, although HoN is definitely 3rd on my list.

i agree with you man, why can't you see that?

Your opinion runs contrary to many people that have played the game, game reviews, columnists, etc.


all you are doing with your way of thinking on this matter is reinforcing in your mind and others that this community is indeed full of trolls. it's up to you to change that. you must perceive it otherwise, and you must show people common decency.
THe first step to fixing a problem is to acknowledge one exists. If you ignore the FACT that this community is indeed full of griefers and trolls you will never solve the problem.


you're getting so worked up over what? over griefers and trolls that won't concede games because you want to leave the game? yes, that's a problem, but your attitude isn't helping it. again, just talk to the people normally. treat them with respect and you might have yourself another listening teammate...
This doesn't work with trolls, why can't you see that?

[Gwydion]

But wait, I thought you pledged to make the community better by not griefing and trolling!

We in a game? Yeah I thought so.

also umad

:D

:D

:D

[UnSaFe]

Kasma and Vexium.

You guys play in different PSR/MMR brackets. I don't think you can truly understand one another.

Please take into account that 1500+ mmr/psr players (majority) do want to win, so they ARE worth to reason with.
However the 1500- mmr/psr is a whole different story. I've been there, and there is no best way to play there, either you rage/troll/grief it won't matter, it won't have much effect on your win/loss(and that's what its all about).

[C00LBeans]

Ahh OP i love you i been waiting for something like this for a long time.

I'm up for it.

[WehrWolffen]

Kasma I don't really see the point you are trying to make here, yes we obviously acknowledge that HoN has a bad community and the people in this thread are merely trying to monitor they manners so as to improve this community.

[Kasma]

We in a game? Yeah I thought so.

also umad

:D

:D

:D
Another one. What a joke this movement is.

[Vexium]

except that it DOES work. people DO listen. you're still talking to me, right? we're still having a conversation, no? is it not going somewhere?

i know deep down somewhere in that (-wrong phrase removed-) anger that's driving these posts you agree with me, kasma. it's why you posted that thread in the first place... but hey, i won't question you further. this is indeed my last reply to you.

oh, and your troll face makes it not name-calling. i'm just calling you by the label you put on your sig... so ya... and probably DOES take away the accusatory element. it is POSSIBLE that you do that, it is not certain nor do i think i have the evidence to prove it in court or in this forum :) regardless, it is probable.

EDIT: i was once <1500 psr - i played DotA back in the day in essentially the lower brackets of 1300-1500 for SOOOO long (EM play). then i moved on to the normal mode garena games, but i know what it was like. i reasoned with people back then and it worked then too.

[Kasma]

Kasma I don't really see the point you are trying to make here, yes we obviously acknowledge that HoN has a bad community and the people in this thread are merely trying to monitor they manners so as to improve this community.
THey don't seem to be doing a very good job of monitoring their manners.

[S_SienZ]

SO because I have the troll face in my sig that gives you the liscense to NAME CALL ME? so everyone that has the troll face in their avatar for hon, that gives us free reign to name call them as well?

It's not a license, but definitely a reason to perceive the possibility of you being a troll. Forum signatures are not a condition imposed on to you. It's customizable for everybody so they may choose to sport whatever pleases them and shows who they are.

[WehrWolffen]

What you are experiencing is normal forum discussion and not griefing in game

[Gwydion]

Another one. What a joke this movement is.

Sup?

:D

[ain]

The #1 problems with HoN are


No votekick
Report-a-player sucks
Banlist doesnt work in MM
Alternate models cant be disabled
EM% stat is gone
S2 being hellbent on making ganking more useful than other strategies

But nice try, OP. I think you should try playing LoL.

[_para]

I dont even...

Why should I teach new players? I´ve had a hard time to learn the game, but I did it with the will to improve my play. I read guides to all hereos, even the ones i never ever played/play/will play just to know whats going on. I played and played and didnt care about ragers or douchbags calling me bad. And so has everyone else because its the only way to improve. Experience and the will to improve will make you enjoy this game, not the "friendly" community because you will NEVER make this community good.
It will always be the bottom of the shitpile called internet. Like every online-game.
Dont act like WoW LoL or CS Communities were better. They are even.

As long as not every clown/user on the internet isnt recorded with a complete CV, facepic, penispic, full name and familiy-history there will always be griefing. Thats it.
Especially in a game with recorded stats.

How I act when s.o. rages? There are some kind commands like "ignore add" and "banlist add" or this epic "mute" button. Why should I even care? I dont get why YOU care about ragers and flames if you can just ignore/mute them without any problems.

[Kasma]

except that it DOES work. people DO listen. you're still talking to me, right? we're still having a conversation, no? is it not going somewhere?

No, they don't listen. Trolls don't listen end of story. You're talking about a completely different type of person.


i know deep down somewhere in that inflated ego that's driving these posts you agree with me, kasma. it's why you posted that thread in the first place... but hey, i won't question you further. this is indeed my last reply to you.
Ya right, your last reply, didn't you say that like 5 other times?


oh, and your troll face makes it not name-calling. i'm just calling you by the label you put on your sig... so ya... and probably DOES take away the accusatory element. it is POSSIBLE that you do that, it is not certain nor do i think i have the evidence to prove it in court or in this forum :) regardless, it is probable.
What silly logic. That's like saying its not name calling when calling a black guy the N-word because there's a black guy in their avatar. ROFL, the lengths you go to to justify the obvious breaking of your own code.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/accusation

a charge of wrongdoing; imputation of guilt or blame.
1.a charge of wrongdoing; imputation of guilt or blame.

2.the specific offense charged: The accusation is murder.

3.the act of accusing or state of being accused.

You definitely charged me of wrong doing. You can still accuse someone using the word PROBABLY because accusation ALREADY IMPLIES its 'probable.' You accuse them even if you're not 100% sure they really did it.

[Kasma]

It's not a license, but definitely a reason to perceive the possibility of you being a troll. Forum signatures are not a condition imposed on to you. It's customizable for everybody so they may choose to sport whatever pleases them and shows who they are.
That means that everyone who has a troll face for an avatar in Hon is a troll?

[S_SienZ]

That means that everyone who has a troll face for an avatar in Hon is a troll?

Not neccessarily, but I would certainly read everything they post with a pinch of salt and be less hesitant to call them out if I feel the need to.

[Kasma]

Not neccessarily, but I would certainly read everything they post with a pinch of salt and be less hesitant to call them out if I feel the need to.
So then saying 'theres a troll face in your sig therefore you're a troll' is correct or incorrect?

[Gwydion]

So then saying 'theres a troll face in your sig therefore you're a troll' is correct or incorrect?

wat?

[Mur`gul]

http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6304&stc=1&d=1294832507

amidointhisright ?^^

[ToxicMonkey]

Awesome! Make that symbol an icon in-game as well and I'll buy it : )

OP deserves some kind of medal

[Jakiro]

One more problem that could be solved by mass undertaking in the smoking of marajuana.

weed; not just good for you, great for you.

Finally some wise words from swindle ;)

[Mur`gul]

OP deserves some kind of medal

at least give him minor totem award or something because he was lukcy that ppl actually joined his movement^^

[Nigma]

I can get on board this.

[IsNe]

That means that everyone who has a troll face for an avatar in Hon is a troll?

would you have a pic. of a car in your sig if you didn't like cars?
Would you have a funny quote in your sig if u don't think it's funny?

You might not be a troll, but by putting a troll over that pcture clearly signals that you are offencive/disrespectfull of a movement. If you want your opinion taken seriously, you should also seem serious.

[ProbeEtPylon]

Great idea OP! Make these shields available in the shop, please. :-)

[Fuchsii]

i think its a good idea with this movement.... trolls should go away

[HomelyKing]

Let's make a difference.

[Holo`]

I've already made my own pledge exactly the same as that, so i might as well get on board
Plus the effort put into the thread is deserving enough

[Exildor]

im in!

[zz4r]

I'll join this movement.
HoN has the most horrible community I have ever experienced.
Had it not been for the gameplay being so intriguing I'd have quit ages ago.

I have played all sorts of Online games for a good 14-15 years now, going back to Ultima online and passing by most major or more underground titles of some importance. Not just MMORPG's, but all kinds of competitive FPS, RTS and others.

HoN is the only game thus far, where I have not made a single friend in game.
Someone that you just get chatting with and get along.

The crap talk and teen rage attitude in HoN is simply so all-consuming and infectious that even someone who would ordinarily be nice, has an ingame charisma that were they a woman - they would turn me gay.

[Exildor]

S2 Sticky this please!

[Sauron]

Im in !
Love manners and i can teach someone who didnt know how to play =)
It's cool hear about ppl who wants help guys grow up, good 4 community.

[SkillBlade]

gjlg

[IsNe]

S2 Sticky this please!

This needs sticky! :D

(is bumping allowed?)

[ragekilla21]

huzzah!

[befiglonia]

huzzah =?= bump

[Pixologic]

Check this video, focus last part about community!
check this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCdQX483lPM)

[Sunforger]

Trollface.jpg
We will fight against your fking initiative. Beware!

[befiglonia]

no, we wont

[Finwolfy]

True, you won't.

[Extract]

Of course we w00t.

[vanGeierson]

No, it isn't my attitude that makes people troll because I rarely even SPEAK in game(unless its mias or strategy) until someone is trolling. You are either WILLFULLY ignorant or deceptive in not acknowledging that trolls and greifers exist in this game that simply want to make life miserable for others and you cannot reason with them or talk to them.

This is simply a lie.
evidence:

http://maide.ca/chat.php?match_id=26239116
( not a long search just ur last game and you didn't even read till 15 min mark )

[DentistDrill]

Pointless thread is pointless. The community is how it is because of a MINORITY of individuals, for which the WHOLE community is held accountable. It will be this minority of players that continues to ruin the hon experience for many, as only 1 troller/griefer is enough to ruin a game for 9 other people. They will be the ones not to pledge and those to continually ignore the rules. It will never stop, this is the nature of the game.

Remember for these people it is: Anonymity + Audience = Total dickwad

[Danneyh]

As people has said before, STICKY THIS!

Also make an ingame icon with the sig shield!

[ogmilk]

Not sure what this will actually accomplish, gl nonetheless

[Captain]

Wow this is getting a lot of good feedback.

[Mur`gul]

This is simply a lie.
evidence:

http://maide.ca/chat.php?match_id=26239116
( not a long search just ur last game and you didn't even read till 15 min mark )


haha that chat log is brilliant.

that almost does not need a seperation (legion/hellb.) because the trashtalking is on a high lvl on both sides xD

[Baarak]

Requesting shield with derp photoshopped inside. I am far too retarded to do such a thing
but will give internets to whoever does :<

[Wolfrar]

This actually has alot of support, the trolls arnt going to win this one.

[Db0]

Interesting. I've said something similar in the past (http://dbzer0.com/blog/game-community-self-moderation-to-reduce-abuse-and-dickwadery) (also see forum thread (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=5312) if you like flames) so I'm interested in being part of this effort, but I don't see exactly what it entails other than agreeing to be a decent person which those of us who care about these things already do.

I'd like to see something more, like a common proofed banlist of some sort.

PS: What you have in the end is not html code. It's bbcode.

[TaazDingo]

Supporting 100%

[TheConficker]

Sounds great.
The community needs a good turnaround.

....

:pest:

[dERP]

one more problem that could be solved by mass undertaking in the smoking of marajuana.

Weed; not just good for you, great for you.


this. So much.