[Request] Guide to Legionnaire! Also need help with good comboes.

[Woolygimp]

This is one of the strongest early game tanking heroes and is no slouch late game but I'm too noob to know if my itemization is good or not.

I've been going with early game +3 items and runes of blight, grabbing steamboots first, then going for abyssal skull, then hack n slash, then shaman's headdress/behemoth's heart.

What are some good duo combos for thunderbringer, madman, and legionnaire? My friend is pretty open his hero and these three are my favorites...

Madman + glacius? Legionnaire + torturer? Thunderbringer + Moon Queen?

[Sw4n]

typically lanes should consist of 1 melee and 1 ranged hero, one of which needs farm and one of which does not. heroes which are not good early game (madman isnt particularly good early) will need a babysitter rather than a nuker/ganker (like the glacius you suggested). a better option for madman would be a healer like nymphora, warlock, or dazzle (i dont know their non-dota names).
since legionnaire is very good early game and requires moderate farm you can put him with a nice caster (healers work too just because of his tank nature), nymphora is a VERY good option since it sets up berserkers call and then negates all damage with the heal that she can get off every time thanks to 2 disables. torturer isnt a bad choice but isnt ideal. glacius is a good combo too because she needs 0 farm and has a nice spell to initiate for legionnaire's call. definitely do not get hack and slash on axe, you are a tank, and its a pretty poor item in general. get enhanced marchers for the phase ability.
thunderbringer is the best solo hero in the game, moon queen is pretty much a must solo too although she isnt the greatest. she has decent lane control and needs a lot of farm.

[Impeeched]

With legionarre, I usually do:
1. Shaman's Headdress (if there are dangerous enemy casters; this is optional)
2. Helmet of the Black Legion
3. Portal Key
4. Steamboots or Enhanced Marchers
5. Behemoth's Heart
6. Daemonic Breastplate

Once I have my Shaman's Headdress (or helm of the black legion), I can basically jungle/creep as much as I want and get my other items quickly. Portal key is GREAT for legionarre because he can blink in, taunt, then have his team come in and win.

At start, I usually (assuming I'm geting headdress), get no items except one trinket of restoration, then another at the outpost after a couple minutes. Then I can get most of my other headdress items at the outpost, too.

[akagi1]

You want to build this guy like a tank. Your role in combat should be to blink in with portal key and quickly follow up with his first ability to get as many people on the opposing team to attack you while your teammates back you up and take advantage of the fact that the enemy heroes within your range cast spells during that period since they have to attack you.

Typically I'll start off with an iron buckler and some runes of the blight and go bottom. Your first skill should be whirling blade. Next you're going to get Lifetube from the side-shop and work on Helm of the Black Legion. If the opposing team consists primarily of magic DPS heroes/casters, or you have 2 of them in your lane giving you a hard time then you may want to get Shaman's Headdress first. After that you go for marchers and portal key then get 2 fortified bracers for more strength and a slight mana boost. After that, you will either go for Post Haste for teleport/map control and then sell off a bracer or 2 and get Behemoth's Heart, or go straight for Behemoth's Heart if you need the survivability more. If the game drags on longer than that, then go for either a second Heart, or a Mock of Brilliance.

You will usually not do enough damage on your own to take out a hero, but you will be very effective in ambushes and finishing off low hp heroes with your ultimate.

Sometimes I will get Totem of Kuldra instead of another Heart or Mock if our team would benefit more from disabling a key hero. If they have a key hero that is causing your team a lot of trouble (like Madman, for instance) and you don't have enough disable on your team, I would advise going for Totem as your finishing item so you can turn them into chompers which lets you take them out as fast as possible.

How you get your skills depends on who is in your lane and how they play. You'll always get whirling blade to start. If they aren't last hitting or denying very well and are kinda just trying to hang in the back and collect experience then you want to go for his second ability (It was called Battle Hunger in DotA, I forget the HoN nomenclature) and hit them with it once you get it at level 2 for early harassment. If they are a melee hero and are coming up to the creeps and trying to hit you, then get his first skill instead and skip the second one and use it when they get too close and there are a bunch of enemy creeps close by.

The basic concept behind this guy is you want to get attacked so you can whirling blade as much as possible. That's why Helm of the Black Legion is a core item on him, so you can still get attacked without taking all the damage. Once you get your lifetube then you'll want to be the first thing creeps engage when they're coming down your lane so you can get a few whirling blades off on them. You'll probably want to pull back after taking them initially since you're not at the level where you can just stand there and suck it up until you get the Helm. You'll want to block your creeps when they're coming down the lane as best you can to prevent from pushing too close to the enemy tower early game.

Portal key is also a core item on him because you have practically no gank presence without it. People can run from you too easily.

I usually go on the bottom lane because once you get the Helm then you can also farm the neutral creeps in the forest with whirling blade as well for more gold.

Once you get portal key, most of your moves at that point, which should consist primarily of ganking, should be team-based since you'll have a tough time taking out heroes all by yourself.

[Woolygimp]

Legionairre is awesome. Once properly geared he's unkillable, pretty much, a scout with like doombringer + codex + fully capped could only dent about 30% of my 4400 hp.

He's also one of the best pushers, if not the best. He can insta-kill mobs of creeps with his whirling blades.

[Vermifax]

Being new to the game what do you mean when you say a hero needs to farm and some heroes don't. Are you talking about heroes that are item defendant vs not?

[Jerry]

Legio + Jeriah or whatever Omniknight is.

Taunt, Heal, watch stuff die.

[Sintheros]

There's a popular strategy involving getting 2 Iron Bucklers and a friendly ranged hero and going between the 1st and 2nd towers of the top lane (if you're Legion), or the bottom lane (if you're Hellbourne) and intercepting their wave of creeps. All of the Whirling Axe procs will deter any enemy melee heroes, and your friendly ranged hero can deal with a ranged hero if there was one in the lane. Meanwhile their heroes in that lane get XP starved and their tower gets bombarded by your creeps.

[akagi1]

Yeah, I did that with Axe in DotA all the time.

It can be tough to pull off some times. The catch is you have to have your ally buy you tangos so you have enough early regen to stay in the lane and preferably they will be ranged and have an ability that will heal you.

I get first tower/first blood all the time with it.

[CyberVortex]

Depending on who you lane with in the beginning I try to get two Helm of the Black Legions. After that, depending on how you play or who you're playing, go for a mix of HP/defense items to retain your usefulness as a tank.

[akagi1]

Does the damage block stack in HoN?

I remember it not working in DotA.

[Travakh]

Build Legionnaire the exact same way you build Axe. Play it exactly the same way.

Starting items should be a shield, 2 health potions, 3 runes. Build helm of the black legion as fast as you can, boots, portal key, posthaste boots, behemoth heart. That's your item build and there is almost no situation you change from this.

Skill build depends on if you're jungling or laning. Jungling is lower risk and results in overall higher team experience for the early game. If jungling you go whirling blade/battle hunger, if laning you go whirling blade/taunt.

The playstyle is simple. Enemies that stay near you sustain large amounts of damage from whirling blade, if you've positioned yourself in such a way that you're being attacked. You use taunt to force enemies to attack you, and whenever possible decapitate nearby heroes whose health gets too low. In team fights you port in and taunt to relieve allied heroes of an immediate threat, and hold enemies for 3 seconds to give your allies a staging ground to kill the opposing heroes.

Axe is a superb early game ganker and farmer, and evolves into a late game tank and control specialist.

[Inconmon]

Imo helm of black legion, marchers, portal key, enhanced marchers, heart and inbetween a headress if there is lots of casters around.

Always primary whirl, secondary taunt. Then stats. No battlehunger. Not having taunt is major fail even if you jungle and you want the stats for more mana to execute.

[SyKot]

I prefer to max taunt, more seconds of disable is nice. Ofc at level 1 if you jungling, get Whirl.

[G91]

I prefer to start with buckler + runes + 2x mana potions. Get whirl first, then 2 levels of hunger/terrify, whirl, hunger, ult. You can get FB really easily, especially if you play the agro out correctly.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

Guide: Learn to jungle in HoN (a little harder than in Dota)

[Dustbin]

All these itemization guides have nothing that affects his mana pool, which seems to be my main problem when I play him if I just spec into tank items, I find myself having to go back to the pool after almost every engagement because my mana regen is so horrendous, should I just stick with mana potions?

[Tr1cKSt3R]

Don't listen to everyone else. I didn't bother to read all the posts but i can nearly garauntee that they're all pretty worthless.
Helm of the Black legion
Boots
Portal Key
BLADEMAIL <---- notice i said BLADEMAIL.
Heart.

After you blink and call, activate blade mail.
'Nuff said.

Now if you're playing competitivley (which i doubt) and they have like one of those bottle/blink teams, or the lvl 1 rosh teams (which i don't think is possible against kongor) than you can replace the blademail with a hood.

But that's incredibly unlikely, and you should therefore GET A FRICKIN BLADEMAIL.

Oh yeah. and don't pick ****ING hunger. the DOT skill. It's absolutely worthless. Stats over cowardice/hunger any day.

[profuse]

http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=3311&highlight=legionnaire

Good guide, shame about the author...

[Dashiva]

Don't listen to everyone else. I didn't bother to read all the posts but i can nearly garauntee that they're all pretty worthless.
Helm of the Black legion
Boots
Portal Key
BLADEMAIL <---- notice i said BLADEMAIL.
Heart.

After you blink and call, activate blade mail.
'Nuff said.

Now if you're playing competitivley (which i doubt) and they have like one of those bottle/blink teams, or the lvl 1 rosh teams (which i don't think is possible against kongor) than you can replace the blademail with a hood.

But that's incredibly unlikely, and you should therefore GET A FRICKIN BLADEMAIL.

Oh yeah. and don't pick ****ING hunger. the DOT skill. It's absolutely worthless. Stats over cowardice/hunger any day.

I already tried this one, and i'm not really convinced by Blademail (barbed armor) with vanguard (black legion helm) ... One item is about diminishing the damages you take, and the other is about returning the damages.. Kind of lacking synergies.

You won't return significants damages, but for nukers, and nukers often do lot of damages overall and not to one single target... Maybe if you have a moon queen or pyromancer in the other team or as a late game item when carry heroes do so much damages your black legion helm has became useless, and still not sure about that.

[RPZip]

Don't listen to everyone else. I didn't bother to read all the posts but i can nearly garauntee that they're all pretty worthless.
Helm of the Black legion
Boots
Portal Key
BLADEMAIL <---- notice i said BLADEMAIL.
Heart.

After you blink and call, activate blade mail.
'Nuff said.

Now if you're playing competitivley (which i doubt) and they have like one of those bottle/blink teams, or the lvl 1 rosh teams (which i don't think is possible against kongor) than you can replace the blademail with a hood.

But that's incredibly unlikely, and you should therefore GET A FRICKIN BLADEMAIL.

Oh yeah. and don't pick ****ING hunger. the DOT skill. It's absolutely worthless. Stats over cowardice/hunger any day.

Just as a side note, I saw a team take out Kongor in a game earlier today before the match had even started. iirc it was Tempest, Slither, Wildsoul, War Beast and Armadon.

[Electrician]

so do shields stack? because that seems really nice...

[FuzzyWuzzy]

so do shields stack? because that seems really nice...

They should stack, even diminishing, it's enough for you to start off with 2 shields.

Btw, never go Vanguard (Helm of the Black blabala), always go Hood [Shaman's Headdress] and keep 1 shield for the block rate. Thus, you will get more regen and will lose only some HP, while tanking a whole LOT more magic damage (for physical damage, you should take Shiva's Guard or Assault [Demonic Plate] as your next item)

[asukhama]

i usually play with Helm of black legion followed by steamboots and if i have the funds, Behemoths Heart.

In terms of matching i usually play in a team with Electrician. He can stun heroes (preferably with low health) giving me the chance to hit them a few times and decapitate them easily afterwards.

[Vesper25]

Sigh, so much information is useless here.

Legionnaires build should be situational, if there are no hard carries on the enemy team, don't bother getting blademail. If there are a plethora of casters on the enemy team, don't bother getting Vanguard (helm of black legion), instead get hood of defiance (whatever it's called in this game).

There are, however, a few items you should get every game: enhanced marchers, portal key, and then heart, ONLY after you get the other items out of the way. Never, EVER get steamboots, they are a piece of **** on Legionnaire.

[Woolygimp]

Does the +health on vanguard stack with the +health on behemoths heart?

[ilmer]

Don't listen to everyone else. I didn't bother to read all the posts but i can nearly garauntee that they're all pretty worthless.
Helm of the Black legion
Boots
Portal Key
BLADEMAIL <---- notice i said BLADEMAIL.
Heart.

After you blink and call, activate blade mail.
'Nuff said.

Now if you're playing competitivley (which i doubt) and they have like one of those bottle/blink teams, or the lvl 1 rosh teams (which i don't think is possible against kongor) than you can replace the blademail with a hood.

But that's incredibly unlikely, and you should therefore GET A FRICKIN BLADEMAIL.

Oh yeah. and don't pick ****ING hunger. the DOT skill. It's absolutely worthless. Stats over cowardice/hunger any day.
this.

except i just go straight heart usually(instead of blademail)

[Powster]

Just wondering.. is it magic damage and physical damage.. I know it says any damage so.. probably is all damage but I think I read some where that it was on physical damage..

[Vesper25]

Just wondering.. is it magic damage and physical damage.. I know it says any damage so.. probably is all damage but I think I read some where that it was on physical damage..

Blademail reflects all damage done when activated, physical and magic. I am unsure of pure, but I believe it reflects that too.

Portal key, Black legion, Shaman Headress, Sheep stick. Instead of having extra health, why not disable another hero completely so they can't dps you? Players should know not to attack a tank hero that deals damage on almost every hit or even waste their time on a tank (given that he has Black legion and shaman headress) like Legionaire. Behemoth heart can wait if the game happens to last longer.